#vrchat-general-2 | VRChat | Page 927

sharp ocean Nov 7, 2019, 6:02 PM

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I remember going to a public world and being placed in an alternate world with the same tag...and my friends being in the same world as me

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All the while they weren't in my world

faint skiff Nov 7, 2019, 6:03 PM

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Yeah, Index lets you turn gestures on and off. Plus it's easy to just not do gestures as you won't be touching the controller.

sharp ocean Nov 7, 2019, 6:04 PM

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I am tempted to get them...but I don't know if its worth it right now...much like full body.

faint skiff Nov 7, 2019, 6:04 PM

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The headset was the biggest upgrade though to be honest, the knuckles are just a nice extra.

sharp ocean Nov 7, 2019, 6:06 PM

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You get a headset with the knuckles? For some reason I thought it was just the knuckles

rough pulsar Nov 7, 2019, 6:07 PM

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The parts of the Index full kit are available separately too.

hushed sequoia Nov 7, 2019, 6:07 PM

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What’s up people I’m new 👋🏼

rough pulsar Nov 7, 2019, 6:07 PM

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You can buy just the HMD, or just the controllers.

glad bolt Nov 7, 2019, 6:08 PM

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Controllers with (base) Vive was my favourite until I could afford the whole set.

white lichen Nov 7, 2019, 6:08 PM

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a girl just headpatted me because i had a Dr. Robotnik avatar

sharp ocean Nov 7, 2019, 6:08 PM

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Is the headset better than the vive?

glad bolt Nov 7, 2019, 6:08 PM

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Miles

pale timber Nov 7, 2019, 6:09 PM

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they head pat everyone

sharp ocean Nov 7, 2019, 6:09 PM

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Nice how much is the headset?

glad bolt Nov 7, 2019, 6:09 PM

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I believe $749, right?

white lichen Nov 7, 2019, 6:09 PM

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the headset is more than my soul

rough pulsar Nov 7, 2019, 6:09 PM

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The HMD alone is only $400 or so I think?

sharp ocean Nov 7, 2019, 6:09 PM

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yeahh no ty lol

pale timber Nov 7, 2019, 6:09 PM

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wow.

glad bolt Nov 7, 2019, 6:09 PM

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Now was that Headset or Headset and controllers?

white lichen Nov 7, 2019, 6:10 PM

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the headset costs 10 times more expensive in my country

ruby needle Nov 7, 2019, 6:10 PM

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full bundle is about 1.2k with taxes

pale timber Nov 7, 2019, 6:10 PM

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jesus christ

glad bolt Nov 7, 2019, 6:10 PM

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$499

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Just checked Steam

sharp ocean Nov 7, 2019, 6:10 PM

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Yeah I don't make enough to get that

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I got the vive already anyways

pale timber Nov 7, 2019, 6:11 PM

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i get mine second hand and it worked

ruby needle Nov 7, 2019, 6:11 PM

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well, it's the current high end thing and rather new so it's costy

sharp ocean Nov 7, 2019, 6:11 PM

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I just don't like the controllers because they get heavy on the wrists after awhile

rough pulsar Nov 7, 2019, 6:11 PM

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In that case just get the controllers. 100% vive compatible.

ruby needle Nov 7, 2019, 6:11 PM

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if you have a vive geting just the knuckles is a some what okay alternative allthough the headset it self is rather outdated too

faint skiff Nov 7, 2019, 6:11 PM

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Yeah, that was my main complaint. I'd have wrist pain after being in VRC for 5 hours straight. Not an issue with the knuckles luckily.

pale timber Nov 7, 2019, 6:12 PM

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eventually prices drop right

sharp ocean Nov 7, 2019, 6:12 PM

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Yeah I am cool with outdated....don't need to see fancier just yet...will wait for prices to go down

ruby needle Nov 7, 2019, 6:12 PM

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unfortunately with valve stuff typically only in a smaller scale then usual

faint skiff Nov 7, 2019, 6:12 PM

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Not any time soon, they're still struggling to keep up with demand AND still haven't managed a global rollout yet.

rough pulsar Nov 7, 2019, 6:12 PM

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Only comfort complaint I have with the index controllers is the hand straps sit right on top of where I have hair on my hands and I have to constantly shift the strap around to stop it itching.

ruby needle Nov 7, 2019, 6:13 PM

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... remove the hair?

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cirBaka

rigid crescent Nov 7, 2019, 6:13 PM

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just shave your knuckles

rough pulsar Nov 7, 2019, 6:13 PM

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I have considered it, I really have vrcStoic

sharp ocean Nov 7, 2019, 6:13 PM

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lol

rigid crescent Nov 7, 2019, 6:13 PM

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you can DIY hand waxing e z

glad bolt Nov 7, 2019, 6:13 PM

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Visit Etsy. My husband just got straps that help with both his large hands and the itching.

sharp ocean Nov 7, 2019, 6:13 PM

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would be a funny reason when someone askes why you have no hair on your hands

faint skiff Nov 7, 2019, 6:14 PM

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Did that once, just makes the abruptness of your arm hair ending look weird and fading arm hair is... not easy.

pale timber Nov 7, 2019, 6:15 PM

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i was planning on getting my friend a standard vive set for his bday but idk if that's a good idea anymore with all this new stuff

sharp ocean Nov 7, 2019, 6:16 PM

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That's a pretty nice gift

rough pulsar Nov 7, 2019, 6:16 PM

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Considering that it provides them with a cheaper upgrade path to an Index if they really like VR, I'd say it's still a good idea.

ruby needle Nov 7, 2019, 6:17 PM

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easier upgrade path is eh

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yes you can use vive stuff and keep using it

faint skiff Nov 7, 2019, 6:17 PM

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It's a waste of money new as it's massively overpriced, but you can get it so cheap second hand now.

ruby needle Nov 7, 2019, 6:17 PM

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but it is older and outdated gear you propably wanna replace with 2.0 stuff too

faint skiff Nov 7, 2019, 6:17 PM

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The v1 base stations knock a good chunk of price off the cost of an Index.

rough pulsar Nov 7, 2019, 6:17 PM

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You keep saying that, and yet there's plenty of people still using and loving their Vives.

indigo fern Nov 7, 2019, 6:18 PM

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they said cheaper anyway paul

ruby needle Nov 7, 2019, 6:18 PM

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yes, cus i know plenty of people with dead lighthouses and broken wand's (even past touchpad abuse times)

sharp ocean Nov 7, 2019, 6:18 PM

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If my wands broke I would get the index ones for sure lol

indigo fern Nov 7, 2019, 6:19 PM

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there are also people who sent in their index controllers over 5 times already 😂

faint skiff Nov 7, 2019, 6:19 PM

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You can get a full Vive kit here for ~£220 yet a single V2 lighthouse is £140. So it lets someone use a Vive for a good while and then upgrade to an Index for around £250 less than it normally would cost.

rough pulsar Nov 7, 2019, 6:19 PM

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useless thumbstick clicking intensifies

indigo fern Nov 7, 2019, 6:19 PM

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goes both ways

sharp ocean Nov 7, 2019, 6:19 PM

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did they punch wallas or something

ruby needle Nov 7, 2019, 6:20 PM

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well but you also want the knuckles @faint skiff so that ads another 150 or so? dunno what it is in your currently

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so the total doesnt fall too much off

pale timber Nov 7, 2019, 6:20 PM

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yeah the newer sets are really expensive

ruby needle Nov 7, 2019, 6:21 PM

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seeing how bad individual vives sell (only HMD) you dont really make up much from reselling it either

faint skiff Nov 7, 2019, 6:21 PM

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@ruby needle No, I mean it's £920 for the full kit, or £690 without the base stations. If you already have a Vive, you can get the cheaper kit.

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So someone could use a Vive for now if they wanted something cheap, and then have the cheaper upgrade path to the Index later if they stuck with it.

ruby needle Nov 7, 2019, 6:22 PM

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if you however add both together you are nearly at a close price but have the older basestations dont you?

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for sure a entry if one can't spend the full deal at once

faint skiff Nov 7, 2019, 6:22 PM

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Right, but it's assuming someone's new to VR and doesn't want to outlay nearly £1000 immediately.

ruby needle Nov 7, 2019, 6:23 PM

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Fair enogh.

sharp ocean Nov 7, 2019, 6:23 PM

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just get the pieces as your stuff breaks

glad bolt Nov 7, 2019, 6:23 PM

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Literally what I did.

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Base stations went down, bought new ones as the other ones were RMA'd

bleak coral Nov 7, 2019, 6:25 PM

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hey i'm kinda experiencing a bug

sharp ocean Nov 7, 2019, 6:25 PM

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Probably what i'll do

bleak coral Nov 7, 2019, 6:25 PM

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holding my hands too close to my face makes it see through

sharp ocean Nov 7, 2019, 6:26 PM

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might be because your hands are going through your character

bleak coral Nov 7, 2019, 6:26 PM

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no it's on my eyes

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it didn't do this before

ruby needle Nov 7, 2019, 6:27 PM

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on the same avatar?

bleak coral Nov 7, 2019, 6:27 PM

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yes

sharp ocean Nov 7, 2019, 6:27 PM

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you change any settings?

bleak coral Nov 7, 2019, 6:27 PM

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No

sharp ocean Nov 7, 2019, 6:28 PM

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Is ityour avatar or someone's else

bleak coral Nov 7, 2019, 6:28 PM

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I tried reinstalling my game and resetting my sensors

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it's mine

sharp ocean Nov 7, 2019, 6:28 PM

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updates can make certain avatars act funky...or change them. Could be a bug also.

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If you made it I would try to tweak it

bleak coral Nov 7, 2019, 6:29 PM

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was there an update today?

sharp ocean Nov 7, 2019, 6:29 PM

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Don't know haven't played today

bleak coral Nov 7, 2019, 6:30 PM

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its on all the avatars I use so it's definitely a bug

sharp ocean Nov 7, 2019, 6:32 PM

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Could be. If it isn't doing it for other people then it is hard to tell if it's a bug or not

bleak coral Nov 7, 2019, 6:35 PM

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It was fine yesterday and just happened today

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yes

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I did to try fix it

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I fixed it!

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went into my c drive and deleted everything vrchat

vocal shard Nov 7, 2019, 7:09 PM

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a friend of mine is asking if its possible to share your home with a other user ?

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how do i upgrade my steam vr chat acount to a steam one

pale timber Nov 7, 2019, 7:13 PM

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wdym

glad bolt Nov 7, 2019, 7:15 PM

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You can both have private instances of the same world, yes, but when you both log on, you'll be in separate instances.

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You can invite each other to your default or favourited home if you're both online.

next cypress Nov 7, 2019, 7:32 PM

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i need help

faint skiff Nov 7, 2019, 7:33 PM

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@vocal shard Log into the website, go to the Link Accounts page and follow the instructions

next cypress Nov 7, 2019, 7:33 PM

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valve index

vocal shard Nov 7, 2019, 7:34 PM

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i did it now ty

next cypress Nov 7, 2019, 7:34 PM

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Can you create a keybind to speak with

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Damn

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I'm very protective of my privacy

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And if someone walks in my room and starts speaking to me

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I don't want others to hear it, it takes a bit of time to mute

vocal shard Nov 7, 2019, 7:35 PM

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how do u get rid of the window at the bottom of the screan

next cypress Nov 7, 2019, 7:35 PM

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No, my bad

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I'll just mute

faint skiff Nov 7, 2019, 7:38 PM

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I normally do the mute/unmute thing. You can do it very quickly given a little practice.

gloomy sequoia Nov 7, 2019, 7:56 PM

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My mic isn't connecting at all in game right now. Really weird.

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None of them are.

sharp ocean Nov 7, 2019, 7:56 PM

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You could have some interesting sounds in the background play through your mic and play dumb...usually gets people laughing

gloomy sequoia Nov 7, 2019, 7:57 PM

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Headset or gaming headset... Neither works and I even restarted. Welp... Time to put on a cute avatar and be a mute.

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Okay, it resolved. Still gonna be a cute mute for a bit.

pale timber Nov 7, 2019, 7:59 PM

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i don't like using headsets of any sort

vocal shard Nov 7, 2019, 8:27 PM

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how do you link your steam account with Vrchat ?

indigo fern Nov 7, 2019, 8:27 PM

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Log in the game with your steam account and go into settings

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At the bottom there should be a merge button that gives you a token to put in the website and link

rigid crescent Nov 7, 2019, 8:36 PM

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@vocal shard if you use the old launch code method you can spawn into the same instance

vocal shard Nov 7, 2019, 8:37 PM

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it's more since a friend of mine wanted to link it i think we found out how

sour lily Nov 7, 2019, 9:08 PM

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i wanna play vrc but i dont wanna socialize today hng

indigo fern Nov 7, 2019, 9:09 PM

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be mute and wave your arms around

sour lily Nov 7, 2019, 9:09 PM

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dont have vr

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how do i wave arms if my arms are glued to my sides unless i pick up something

sharp ocean Nov 7, 2019, 9:26 PM

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Some avatars have auto animations when walking lol

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or standing still

vocal shard Nov 7, 2019, 9:32 PM

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found out why i keep hearing myself in vrc

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it's vrchat being dumb cause i tried two other headsets and they do the same thing

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any one wana meet on vr chat

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im bord

umbral oracle Nov 7, 2019, 11:01 PM

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@vocal shard it's a bug with the avatar you are wearing

rigid crescent Nov 7, 2019, 11:02 PM

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That's such an interesting bug

umbral oracle Nov 7, 2019, 11:02 PM

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avatars without the visemes set up correctly (if any of the 16 or so viseme slots are not each filled with a different blend shape) will feedback your mic

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try one of the default avatars to see if that fixes it

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I think you can also hit this if something is wrong with your windows setup that prevents OVRLipSync.dll from loading

pure hemlock Nov 7, 2019, 11:03 PM

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I had that happen to me Halloween night but rebooting my game fixed it

vocal shard Nov 7, 2019, 11:04 PM

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just tried a default avatar and i don't hear myself

umbral oracle Nov 7, 2019, 11:04 PM

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yeah you'll have to contact the avatar creator and ask them to fix or use a different avatar

vocal shard Nov 7, 2019, 11:07 PM

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yeah

sour lily Nov 7, 2019, 11:13 PM

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vrc loves to make omnimidi scream

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https://i.murr.pro/1j8dkzvp.png

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i just needed to put it in the blacklist for omnimidi, weird.

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why would it even need to do something like that

restive shore Nov 7, 2019, 11:20 PM

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I know you all have probably seen this question 1,000 times already, but been doing a lot of reading on Oculus vs Vive -- and it seems the more research I do, the less sure about the decision I get. 😕

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For anyone who has had experience, would you say the Vive's potential ease of upgrade in the future would be worth the slightly worse overall (As far as I understand it) day-to-day experience, vs the Rift S?

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Seems like one of those things that'd be really hard to quantify unless you've had personal experience with both.

sour lily Nov 7, 2019, 11:23 PM

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tbh i don't know since i've had experience with both but experience no difference

restive shore Nov 7, 2019, 11:25 PM

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You've used both and they've seemed reasonably similar in experience?

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A lot of these Reddit thread seem to make them out to be night-and-day differences. But I know how fanatical people can be over these sorts of things sometimes... 😛

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Main things I saw being brought up was the screen-door effect on the Vive. The Vive's controller being clunkier. Etc.

vocal shard Nov 7, 2019, 11:30 PM

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The Vive and rift were very similar. The Vive and rift S visuals are night and day.

desert stratus Nov 7, 2019, 11:30 PM

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theres all sorts of factors, but if you really dont want to think about it id say get rift S since 400 usd is relatively cheap in the grand scheme of upgrade costs for VR

vocal shard Nov 7, 2019, 11:30 PM

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Also the Vive is discontinued now

desert stratus Nov 7, 2019, 11:30 PM

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and yeah, like jamie said, rift S screen >>> vive screen

restive shore Nov 7, 2019, 11:30 PM

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Yeah, I was wondering about that.

desert stratus Nov 7, 2019, 11:31 PM

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the main things are how much experience you have with vr, and what you think you may eventually want

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have you ever owned or tried a vr headset before?

restive shore Nov 7, 2019, 11:31 PM

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Alright, cool. That's kind of where I was leaning anyway.

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I've been to the VR cafe here a couple times.

vocal shard Nov 7, 2019, 11:31 PM

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I've used most of them. I prefer the Rift S personally

desert stratus Nov 7, 2019, 11:32 PM

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lucky with a local vr cafe > > lol

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so you have some reasonable expectations, then. IMO the extra 200 usd youd be paying for rift S over a used vive is well worth it even if you anticipate upgrading your VR experience in the future

restive shore Nov 7, 2019, 11:33 PM

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Yeah, I was kind of figuring that if I ever got to the point of wanting to invest the money to upgrade, getting a couple extra lighthouses would barely be a drop in the bucket.

vocal shard Nov 7, 2019, 11:34 PM

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The new lighthouses for the index are more reliable anyway. So imo, it's worth just buying the package rather than using Vive ones if you don't have to

restive shore Nov 7, 2019, 11:34 PM

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Plus, who knows where things are going to go by then anyway.

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Alright, thanks for the info. 🙂

desert stratus Nov 7, 2019, 11:34 PM

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np~

vocal shard Nov 8, 2019, 12:03 AM

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How come most of the avatars in vr chat are all anime related?

covert chasm Nov 8, 2019, 12:05 AM

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The largest and easiest-to-import library of rigged 3D assets are MMDs (Miku Miku Dance) models, which are all anime-styled models.

blazing lion Nov 8, 2019, 12:05 AM

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I can’t wait till my vr comes in reeeeeee

vocal shard Nov 8, 2019, 12:05 AM

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Oh okay that actually makes alot of sense thank you @covert chasm

covert chasm Nov 8, 2019, 12:06 AM

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In addition, its a fairly simplistic style that can have a large variety of sub-styles and changes that make them unique pretty easily just by swapping out textures or flat colors. Mostly the first reason though 🙂

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Sure thing

glad bolt Nov 8, 2019, 12:25 AM

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ammHeartKitty

blazing lion Nov 8, 2019, 12:40 AM

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I swear there’s so many talented people in this game

pseudo bobcat Nov 8, 2019, 12:42 AM

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most mmd/tda users are basically NPCs, little if any originality

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rare to see those that aren't very poor performance, unoptimized copypaste garbage sitting in front of a mirror

rigid crescent Nov 8, 2019, 12:46 AM

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If there was an alternative they'd be the same anyway

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Doesn't matter what the "standard" is as far as the model format

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Most of the non-MMDs are just videogame rips. Probably less original than an MMD, which at least has a lot of degrees of easy customizability

hollow ingot Nov 8, 2019, 1:29 AM

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Alright, so I want to get a recent VR headset for VRChat with somewhat of a budget restraint, New, and I have a lot of time (but not much space) for setup and multiple suitable-for-VR PCs. Why wouldn't I want a Oculus Rift S?

restive shore Nov 8, 2019, 1:35 AM

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Based on the conversation I just had an hour or some ago^ -- probably not many

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The biggest (arguable) downside is the internal tracking

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But given that you might not have much space, that honestly might be more of a benefit

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Budget restraints are really the killer for VR

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Basically limits you down to the Oculus and the Vive, as far as I'm aware.

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Also, if you ever want to upgrade your setup in the future, that's likely going to cost you more with an Oculus setup than with a Vive setup.

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But I'd read the advice the others gave me, since you basically seem to be up the same alley.

vocal shard Nov 8, 2019, 1:46 AM

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My recommendation is the Rift S. Especially if budget is in mind

hollow ingot Nov 8, 2019, 1:47 AM

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Is the upgrade cost difference likely to be significant?

vocal shard Nov 8, 2019, 1:49 AM

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The main limiting factor of the rift S is that you can't natively use the tracking system for full body. But even with a Vive, that would be an extra $300 on top of the VR system to use full body tracking. The rift S with full body is $500 extra because you need the extra lighthouses.

If you plan to play like the majority of us without full body tracking, the rift S offers better controllers, screens, lenses, comfort, and ease of use than something like a Vive

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The index ofcourse is better overall, but that is a premium option at $1000

rigid crescent Nov 8, 2019, 1:50 AM

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get fully body already so you can join the master race Jamie

vocal shard Nov 8, 2019, 1:51 AM

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No money CirnoREEE

rigid crescent Nov 8, 2019, 2:03 AM

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you spent all your celebrity youtuber money on drugs and alcohol didnt you

vocal shard Nov 8, 2019, 2:32 AM

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Haha! Found a public avatar that I like that sound make me hear myself.

pseudo bobcat Nov 8, 2019, 2:59 AM

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Rift S is the best bang for buck budget headset that just works, while the Index is better in almost every way but is more than twice the price. Whatever you have money for

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You can forget about the original Vive in 2019, it's nowhere near the current headsets in quality or experience

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Though keep in mind the fixed IPD of the S, if you're outside the 61.5mm-65.5mm range it's better to just save up for Index

jagged zodiac Nov 8, 2019, 3:14 AM

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my ipd is 56 and i have no issue with the rift s

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🤷‍♀️ i never understood what anyone was complaining about

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everything is clear to me unless i put the headset on weird

hot sentinel Nov 8, 2019, 3:16 AM

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Anytime know Kitty Hanahara from VRChats discord?

hollow ingot Nov 8, 2019, 3:24 AM

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I may get the Value Index in 3-6months depending on the use of the Rift S... assuming I remember.

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Thanks for the responses chu all~

rancid vessel Nov 8, 2019, 3:27 AM

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I know of one avatar in VRChat that if you turn into it.. You hear a feedback of your voice a few seconds later..

crystal fossil Nov 8, 2019, 4:30 AM

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It's a bug. The avatar is a bit broken if you can hear yourself. Audio in-game has been iffy, but since I play less, I can't narrow down when it started. I'd assume since the last audio update. lol

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I think the new component causes audio bugs and if they attached it to every player, that may be why that happens occasionally.

rough pulsar Nov 8, 2019, 4:31 AM

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It's the avatar having unmapped visemes that causes the feedback bug. If it's your own the fix is easy, just have something in every viseme slot. If it's a public one ¯_(ツ)_/¯

vocal shard Nov 8, 2019, 4:31 AM

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I fixed my problem!! Apparently there was something in my settings that wasn't disabled so now i no longer hear myself when switching avatars

crystal fossil Nov 8, 2019, 4:32 AM

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I get the bug where it cuts in and out and plays at over max volume like it's 2D until the audio ends. Sometimes it'll do it every time and sometimes playing a different audiosource will fix it.

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I have models that never had the feedback bug and worked fine and then some update made it start happening.

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

vocal shard Nov 8, 2019, 4:34 AM

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Yeah. I'm leaving my settings on my computer alone. Never touching them again

crystal fossil Nov 8, 2019, 4:35 AM

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Oh yeah, and last time I played I had something just like the old audiobug where all of my audio just stops working and all I can hear is voice.

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So I think if they used the old component that they were removing on upload (because something about it caused the old bug) and only changed it slightly, that's the cause.

willow ravine Nov 8, 2019, 4:40 AM

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@crystal fossil ive gotten that one

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the max volume thing when switching avatars

crystal fossil Nov 8, 2019, 4:42 AM

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I should reupload the avatars I know I have the bug without the component and see if it ever kicks in.

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Just didn't feel like troubleshooting the game.

haughty cedar Nov 8, 2019, 5:31 AM

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v

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sorry that was my cat

halcyon gate Nov 8, 2019, 5:34 AM

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anyone else experiencing avatars that load forever and when you go to worlds they stay at 0% forever?
I tried clearing cache, didnt help

molten gale Nov 8, 2019, 6:02 AM

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Please do not post the same statement across multiple channels, thanks >~>

oblique igloo Nov 8, 2019, 6:48 AM

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vrcBlush

vocal shard Nov 8, 2019, 7:21 AM

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vrpill

civic plume Nov 8, 2019, 8:21 AM

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does anyone know why you get the weird lag when moving? i believe it’s due to server latency or something but i’ve never gotten a real answer lol

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it isn’t very persistent, kinda happens at random

ruby needle Nov 8, 2019, 8:22 AM

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Lag or Delay?
There is a little bit of delay due to how the IK works, it however shouldnt be lagging unless there is some stability issues with the connection (yours)

civic plume Nov 8, 2019, 8:24 AM

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most likely delay, lag is to do with frame rate

ruby needle Nov 8, 2019, 8:24 AM

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Nah, thats not what lag is.

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delay is a in fidelity unaltered action comming in at a later time, like you move your arm and it moves a second later but completely normally like it should.
lag is interruptions in the fidelity due to what ever, like skipping steps, rubberbanding and so on.

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(this is just a stupid explaination, pls dont hate me for it cirBaka )

faint skiff Nov 8, 2019, 9:42 AM

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@civic plume What part of you lags specifically? I can't really think of anything that fits what you're describing

odd lava Nov 8, 2019, 10:14 AM

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Delay is still huge on IK

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especially without EU based servers

ruby needle Nov 8, 2019, 10:14 AM

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It's not tho

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People make it sound like its huge, but it isnt

odd lava Nov 8, 2019, 10:15 AM

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I tested it again with two people in same playspace

ruby needle Nov 8, 2019, 10:15 AM

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i did my own tests

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and it's totally fine

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about 0,5s with a 200ms ping on both clients is not "huge" at all

odd lava Nov 8, 2019, 10:16 AM

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You can check my videos, it is more than 0,5 sec

ruby needle Nov 8, 2019, 10:16 AM

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again, i did my very own tests

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and no, its fine

odd lava Nov 8, 2019, 10:16 AM

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Well, I am quite sure my tests are better

ruby needle Nov 8, 2019, 10:16 AM

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are you, im also using 2 clients on totally different machines for testing

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so what ever 😉

covert blade Nov 8, 2019, 10:17 AM

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"No u" - this convo

ruby needle Nov 8, 2019, 10:17 AM

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^ 😄

odd lava Nov 8, 2019, 10:17 AM

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You can check my twitter for videos

ruby needle Nov 8, 2019, 10:17 AM

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you can check my youtube for videos

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cirThink

covert blade Nov 8, 2019, 10:18 AM

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What if I told you that it's not the same for everyone

ruby needle Nov 8, 2019, 10:18 AM

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^

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literally that, just cus you might personally have bad experience doesnt mean thats general 😄

odd lava Nov 8, 2019, 10:18 AM

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I see why you think it is ok

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Just watched

covert blade Nov 8, 2019, 10:19 AM

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It also doesnt mean that just cuz you think it's fine doesnt mean it's fine for others

odd lava Nov 8, 2019, 10:19 AM

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When I am with another person in same playspace it takes twice as long to see reaction for my movement from their avatar

covert blade Nov 8, 2019, 10:19 AM

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Anyhow gtg

odd lava Nov 8, 2019, 10:19 AM

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than on your test

covert blade Nov 8, 2019, 10:19 AM

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Good day

ruby needle Nov 8, 2019, 10:20 AM

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well, theoretically it does when both are using the same baseline Sasha, cus then it means issues come in from external factors

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ofc, that still means there is a variety of experiences out there in practice.

odd lava Nov 8, 2019, 10:21 AM

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I also have a video how it looked before network IK

ruby needle Nov 8, 2019, 10:21 AM

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no need for comparing that

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the systems are definitely different.

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just by how they work.

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the old one clearly was faster in that regard.

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but it also was a ton heavier on calculations

odd lava Nov 8, 2019, 10:22 AM

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The point is it looked cool to interact with another person in same playspace, now it is not

ruby needle Nov 8, 2019, 10:23 AM

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as ik work is continously mention to be in progress in the changelogs hope isn't lost at all cirComfy

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as much as some would love to keep the old system, it definitely also had its flaws.

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and the new one just isn't as perfected yet. cirBlech

odd lava Nov 8, 2019, 10:24 AM

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I am aware, probably location based server instances would help

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e.g. if you start instance as EU client it is based in eu

ruby needle Nov 8, 2019, 10:25 AM

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i disagree partially

unless you actually divide regions aka eu players play with eu players and us palyers play with us players it would lead to a whole mess of variyng delays

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now it's at least constant

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everyone learns and adapts their own kinda delay.

hollow sluice Nov 8, 2019, 10:25 AM

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200ms is still a noticable delay and iff there is something that can be done about it on vrcs end it should

odd lava Nov 8, 2019, 10:26 AM

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Ideally there should be EU and US server node and ping should depend on who started instance

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I did not care before for vrc games etc because I did nto use them

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but with network IK it is needed

ruby needle Nov 8, 2019, 10:27 AM

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im sure improvements can be made in multiple places, ofc the distance delay will always be there unsolveable but the other delay is something that potentially can still be heavily improved

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and specifically consistency would be good

odd lava Nov 8, 2019, 10:28 AM

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Distance delay between client may be unsolvable but between client and server it is solvable

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I am not angry or anything if it can be done due to financial reason, but the fact is, it is very needed for EU people

ruby needle Nov 8, 2019, 10:30 AM

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there is more then EU people in the case it would distributed tho

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you'd propably want one node in asia too

odd lava Nov 8, 2019, 10:30 AM

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Just an example, I do not know what is the VRC ping for Japan

faint skiff Nov 8, 2019, 10:34 AM

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Japan has a lower ping than Central Europe typically, I believe (as it's a straight run over [or rather under] the Pacific).

ruby needle Nov 8, 2019, 10:35 AM

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~~What? it has to go all the way around, can't go trough the forbidden border of our disk~~

odd lava Nov 8, 2019, 10:38 AM

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If you would go through the border, packets would time travel

molten gale Nov 8, 2019, 10:38 AM

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Would fbt would be worth it hmm

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with uh vive trackers

ruby needle Nov 8, 2019, 10:39 AM

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thats a personal decission you gotta make

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not a general one

odd lava Nov 8, 2019, 10:40 AM

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fbt is really cool, and immersive, but whatever You like 😄

molten gale Nov 8, 2019, 10:40 AM

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battery life is the mmain issue

odd lava Nov 8, 2019, 10:40 AM

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4h, charges in 30 minutes

molten gale Nov 8, 2019, 10:40 AM

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Thing is id have to buy a full setup because I use a rift s

ruby needle Nov 8, 2019, 10:40 AM

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powerbanks exist

molten gale Nov 8, 2019, 10:40 AM

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Okay thats decent

rigid crescent Nov 8, 2019, 10:40 AM

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as do 10 foot cables~

molten gale Nov 8, 2019, 10:40 AM

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But yeah I use a rift s

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so whatd I need

rigid crescent Nov 8, 2019, 10:41 AM

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2 lighthouses and the trackers in that case

odd lava Nov 8, 2019, 10:41 AM

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3 trackers and 2 basestations

molten gale Nov 8, 2019, 10:41 AM

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Can uh someone link me that in dms?

faint skiff Nov 8, 2019, 10:41 AM

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The v2 trackers last roughly 5 hours, 15 minutes for me.

odd lava Nov 8, 2019, 10:41 AM

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I have 3 1.0 and 3 2.0 tarckers

molten gale Nov 8, 2019, 10:41 AM

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I also need the belt yea

odd lava Nov 8, 2019, 10:42 AM

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1.0 last 4,5-5h 2.0 3,5-4h

molten gale Nov 8, 2019, 10:42 AM

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I need link >->

faint skiff Nov 8, 2019, 10:42 AM

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I wonder why mine last so much longer than yours...

odd lava Nov 8, 2019, 10:42 AM

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try to measure again 😄

faint skiff Nov 8, 2019, 10:43 AM

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I wear them literally every day, they pretty much decide when I go to bed.

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I don't sit or lie down in VR either, I'm always on my feet so I would have thought that would drain them faster, but who knows.

molten gale Nov 8, 2019, 10:43 AM

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I can just use kinect while they charge

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But uh, can someone link me

odd lava Nov 8, 2019, 10:44 AM

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They charge as fast from power bank as from outlet

rigid crescent Nov 8, 2019, 10:44 AM

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are you in the US?

molten gale Nov 8, 2019, 10:44 AM

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Germany

ruby needle Nov 8, 2019, 10:45 AM

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cirmany cirComfy

unique turret Nov 8, 2019, 10:47 AM

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I aam in Germany too

molten gale Nov 8, 2019, 10:47 AM

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So yeah need links for what I need

faint skiff Nov 8, 2019, 10:48 AM

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@molten gale https://geizhals.de/htc-vive-tracker-99halm008-00-a1614862.html

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Be careful that you get the v2s though, they have a blueish/teal logo, rather than grey.

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i.e. this model - https://www.alternate.de/HTC/Vive-Tracker-2018-Sensor/html/product/1434832

molten gale Nov 8, 2019, 10:50 AM

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What the

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120 bucks

faint skiff Nov 8, 2019, 10:50 AM

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That's a good price too, works out around £96 which makes it cheaper than the UK.

molten gale Nov 8, 2019, 10:50 AM

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what about the other stuff

faint skiff Nov 8, 2019, 10:50 AM

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Do you currently have a lighthouse based headset?

ruby needle Nov 8, 2019, 10:51 AM

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Paci allready said they have a Rift S

faint skiff Nov 8, 2019, 10:51 AM

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Ah, in that case you'll either want to pick up some cheap v1 basestations from somewhere like eBay, or buy the v2 base stations from Valve. I'd recommend the former to be honest, you can often get them a lot cheaper in comparison.

molten gale Nov 8, 2019, 10:52 AM

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whats the diff

ruby needle Nov 8, 2019, 10:52 AM

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one station would even work if you're used to a kinect

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it's gonna limit you to 180° i belive

molten gale Nov 8, 2019, 10:52 AM

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Nah I wanna use 2

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I wanna use the bed and such

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Whats the diff between 1 and 2 in base stations and trackers

faint skiff Nov 8, 2019, 10:53 AM

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Hmm, German eBay is rubbish for this sort of thing.

molten gale Nov 8, 2019, 10:53 AM

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Ye

ruby needle Nov 8, 2019, 10:53 AM

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eBay or eBay Kleinanzeigen are both okay cirThink

molten gale Nov 8, 2019, 10:53 AM

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Ill buy new

faint skiff Nov 8, 2019, 10:54 AM

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v1 base stations work with all hardware, but you're limited to 2 of them at most and they must have line of site to each other. v1 trackers only work with v1 base stations, v2 trackers work with everything.

molten gale Nov 8, 2019, 10:55 AM

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Then ill likely have to get v2

faint skiff Nov 8, 2019, 10:55 AM

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In terms of performance, the base stations seem identical to be honest (I recently upgraded from the v1s to v2s just to be able to sell my Vive as a full kit). The v2s are very slightly quieter but that's pretty much it.

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v2's easier to get because you can just buy them new from Valve, so you'll get a full warranty and everything too.

errant hare Nov 8, 2019, 10:56 AM

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v2 are suppose to have 10x10m coverage while v1 have 5x5m but let's be honest who has 5x5m play space?

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I have like 2x2m

faint skiff Nov 8, 2019, 10:57 AM

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I have 1.6 x 3.3 😦

errant hare Nov 8, 2019, 10:57 AM

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More them me :>

molten gale Nov 8, 2019, 10:57 AM

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Soo how do I even place em

faint skiff Nov 8, 2019, 10:57 AM

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Not really as games measure it as a square

errant hare Nov 8, 2019, 10:57 AM

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1.6? Is it enough to spread your arms?

molten gale Nov 8, 2019, 10:58 AM

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Wait wtf

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The v1 cost as much on a website then the v2 does on vives website

ivory axle Nov 8, 2019, 10:58 AM

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i have 6x10m

molten gale Nov 8, 2019, 11:00 AM

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Where would I have to place the base stations

errant hare Nov 8, 2019, 11:00 AM

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Opposite corners of your place space

molten gale Nov 8, 2019, 11:00 AM

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V2 base stations are 199 euros

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or yknow v1 for 150

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And does it require more power than kinect tracking?

covert blade Nov 8, 2019, 11:03 AM

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Boop

lunar cedar Nov 8, 2019, 11:03 AM

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The device tracks itself (mostly)

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It uses way less CPU time if that's what you mean

molten gale Nov 8, 2019, 11:04 AM

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Okay

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Id have no clue where to place the stations tho

lunar cedar Nov 8, 2019, 11:04 AM

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If you're worried about your PSU, just don't charge the pucks on your desktop USB :P

molten gale Nov 8, 2019, 11:05 AM

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Yeah I have usb charging ports on my outlets

covert blade Nov 8, 2019, 11:05 AM

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That'd take quite long anyways Jak

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Recommend a 5 port charger to charge controllers and pucks from 1 outlet

lunar cedar Nov 8, 2019, 11:05 AM

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Not all desktop USB are limited to 0.5A. I've got 2 that are 3A

molten gale Nov 8, 2019, 11:06 AM

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It would work with rift s tho

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rite?

ruby needle Nov 8, 2019, 11:07 AM

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you might need a bit of software to adjust obsset of playspaces

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but else it should work with steam vr like all other hacky setups

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which your kinect solution allready is

molten gale Nov 8, 2019, 11:07 AM

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on amazon the v2 is 160 bucks tf

lunar cedar Nov 8, 2019, 11:07 AM

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Your rift s universe resetting it's coordinate space will still be an issue, just fyi

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Hopefully they fix that

molten gale Nov 8, 2019, 11:08 AM

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Yeah

covert blade Nov 8, 2019, 11:08 AM

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FBT with pucks is expensive

lunar cedar Nov 8, 2019, 11:08 AM

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You might be able to downgrade your Oculus software to an older version

molten gale Nov 8, 2019, 11:09 AM

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826 euros for v2 trackers, belts and base stations

covert blade Nov 8, 2019, 11:09 AM

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Yup

ruby needle Nov 8, 2019, 11:09 AM

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nearly a full index kit cirSlain

lunar cedar Nov 8, 2019, 11:10 AM

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vrcWOAH

faint skiff Nov 8, 2019, 11:10 AM

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@molten gale Don't use Amazon for the trackers, it's overpriced and it's not direct from Amazon anyway

molten gale Nov 8, 2019, 11:10 AM

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I used the website for the trackers

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120 each

covert blade Nov 8, 2019, 11:10 AM

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360 just trackers

molten gale Nov 8, 2019, 11:10 AM

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3x120 + 2x200 + 68

covert blade Nov 8, 2019, 11:10 AM

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Wait

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What base stations are you gettin?

molten gale Nov 8, 2019, 11:11 AM

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v2

covert blade Nov 8, 2019, 11:11 AM

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Why?

molten gale Nov 8, 2019, 11:11 AM

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likely

ruby needle Nov 8, 2019, 11:11 AM

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why not?

faint skiff Nov 8, 2019, 11:11 AM

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@molten gale Eh? The base stations are €159 each for the v2s.

covert blade Nov 8, 2019, 11:11 AM

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@ruby needle because 1.0 can track 2.0 stuff and are likely cheaper

molten gale Nov 8, 2019, 11:11 AM

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https://www.vive.com/de/accessory/base-station2/

lunar cedar Nov 8, 2019, 11:11 AM

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More than an rtx 2080

ruby needle Nov 8, 2019, 11:11 AM

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1.0 is however outdated

faint skiff Nov 8, 2019, 11:11 AM

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No, don't use HTC

ruby needle Nov 8, 2019, 11:11 AM

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and if you get 2.0 gear anyway it makes sense to go with the newer tech

faint skiff Nov 8, 2019, 11:11 AM

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https://store.steampowered.com/valveindex

covert blade Nov 8, 2019, 11:11 AM

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So?

ruby needle Nov 8, 2019, 11:12 AM

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so, buy the newer tech

covert blade Nov 8, 2019, 11:12 AM

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It works just fine

molten gale Nov 8, 2019, 11:12 AM

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Thats index base stations

faint skiff Nov 8, 2019, 11:12 AM

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They're the same thing

vocal shard Nov 8, 2019, 11:12 AM

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I really wish I had a VR headset 😦

covert blade Nov 8, 2019, 11:12 AM

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They're the same Paci

molten gale Nov 8, 2019, 11:12 AM

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W h a t

faint skiff Nov 8, 2019, 11:12 AM

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There is no such thing as a Vive / Index base station. The only difference is v1 vs v2.

covert blade Nov 8, 2019, 11:12 AM

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HTC and Valve are working together

ruby needle Nov 8, 2019, 11:12 AM

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*were

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the tech however is the same

dawn pecan Nov 8, 2019, 11:13 AM

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Isn't the look of the Index base stations different?

faint skiff Nov 8, 2019, 11:13 AM

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*were

covert blade Nov 8, 2019, 11:13 AM

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*were

vocal shard Nov 8, 2019, 11:13 AM

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What???

faint skiff Nov 8, 2019, 11:13 AM

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@molten gale Never order from HTC, their support and warranty process is the thing of nightmares.

molten gale Nov 8, 2019, 11:13 AM

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Have to order trackers there

vocal shard Nov 8, 2019, 11:13 AM

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Which one is recommended?

covert blade Nov 8, 2019, 11:13 AM

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Plot twist: Vive Pro as far as I know also uses 2.0 base stations

dawn pecan Nov 8, 2019, 11:13 AM

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Are they identical to the level where they are interchangable, or does it just require extra setup steps?

faint skiff Nov 8, 2019, 11:14 AM

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@molten gale Do no third party retailers have them for the same price or less?

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@dawn pecan Identical

molten gale Nov 8, 2019, 11:14 AM

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Nope

vocal shard Nov 8, 2019, 11:14 AM

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Which VR headset should I get?

molten gale Nov 8, 2019, 11:14 AM

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They are cheapest there

faint skiff Nov 8, 2019, 11:14 AM

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@molten gale What price?

covert blade Nov 8, 2019, 11:14 AM

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Depends on your budget @vocal shard

molten gale Nov 8, 2019, 11:14 AM

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120 euros

dawn pecan Nov 8, 2019, 11:14 AM

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Cool

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Are the valve base stations noisy?

covert blade Nov 8, 2019, 11:14 AM

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You can go all the way from affordable WMR's to 1k+ headsets

vocal shard Nov 8, 2019, 11:14 AM

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I don't care about that, I just wanna know which headset is recommended.

errant hare Nov 8, 2019, 11:15 AM

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@vocal shard Depends on your PC as well and whether you want fbt or not

dawn pecan Nov 8, 2019, 11:15 AM

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My V1 work perfectly fine, but the noise is killing part of my soul

faint skiff Nov 8, 2019, 11:15 AM

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@vocal shard Index if you can afford it. Rift S if not.

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@molten gale I literally linked to cheaper ones earlier - https://www.alternate.de/HTC/Vive-Tracker-2018-Sensor/html/product/1434832

dawn pecan Nov 8, 2019, 11:15 AM

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Which is a limited resource to begin with

vocal shard Nov 8, 2019, 11:15 AM

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I have a MacBook Pro which can change to Window.

faint skiff Nov 8, 2019, 11:15 AM

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That's probably not VR compatible to be honest.

vocal shard Nov 8, 2019, 11:15 AM

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*Windows

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Which computer is?

covert blade Nov 8, 2019, 11:15 AM

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I dont recommend VR on a laptop

molten gale Nov 8, 2019, 11:15 AM

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Dont trust that site

dawn pecan Nov 8, 2019, 11:15 AM

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Vive base stations resonate with my tinnitus in a way which I do not enjoy

vocal shard Nov 8, 2019, 11:15 AM

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Oh, don't worry about that.

pseudo basalt Nov 8, 2019, 11:16 AM

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Yeah the vive stations are pretty annoying but luckily headphones cover them up

errant hare Nov 8, 2019, 11:16 AM

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@vocal shard If you have Macbook than you prob need Quest

faint skiff Nov 8, 2019, 11:16 AM

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@molten gale They have nearly 3000 reviews on Trustpilot. Why don't you trust them?

molten gale Nov 8, 2019, 11:16 AM

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So uh rift s + v2 base stations and trackers works surefire?

covert blade Nov 8, 2019, 11:16 AM

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Yes

dawn pecan Nov 8, 2019, 11:17 AM

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Can one buy vive glasses with strength in them?

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My eyes suck

faint skiff Nov 8, 2019, 11:17 AM

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Yes

covert blade Nov 8, 2019, 11:17 AM

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There are some extra steps during setup and SteamVR is required but hybrid setups do work

molten gale Nov 8, 2019, 11:17 AM

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Guess Ill save up

faint skiff Nov 8, 2019, 11:17 AM

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@dawn pecan You can buy custom lenses for the Index and Vive with prescription values.

molten gale Nov 8, 2019, 11:17 AM

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actually no saving up

dawn pecan Nov 8, 2019, 11:18 AM

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Thanks, sounds promising!

molten gale Nov 8, 2019, 11:18 AM

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ill just wish myself for christmas and pay a part of it

faint skiff Nov 8, 2019, 11:18 AM

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@vocal shard You need a machine with a dedicated GPU and a display port.

dawn pecan Nov 8, 2019, 11:18 AM

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Is it a bit more expensive or are we talking 500+?

faint skiff Nov 8, 2019, 11:18 AM

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You buy them separately.

ruby needle Nov 8, 2019, 11:19 AM

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or hdmi for vive/rift cv1

covert blade Nov 8, 2019, 11:19 AM

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@faint skiff Speaking of HTC's terrible support, how screwed am I for buying my Vive from there?

faint skiff Nov 8, 2019, 11:19 AM

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@covert blade Well their support is non-existent and the Vive is now discontinued, so...

errant hare Nov 8, 2019, 11:19 AM

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@dawn pecan Something like this: https://vroptician.com/prescription-lens-inserts/htc-vive/

ruby needle Nov 8, 2019, 11:19 AM

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In germany we do at least have some legal backing

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that is, as long as you have warranty on it

dawn pecan Nov 8, 2019, 11:19 AM

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I see! Thanks everyone!

molten gale Nov 8, 2019, 11:20 AM

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Welp

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Guess Ill get fbt for christmas

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And ill just use my kinect when the bat- W-Wha- >->

covert blade Nov 8, 2019, 11:20 AM

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@ruby needle NO

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Too early :<

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@molten gale also consider a 3 or 5 port charger

molten gale Nov 8, 2019, 11:22 AM

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What

covert blade Nov 8, 2019, 11:22 AM

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I use on to charge everything from 1 outlet

molten gale Nov 8, 2019, 11:22 AM

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I have usb chargers for my outlets

covert blade Nov 8, 2019, 11:22 AM

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How many?

molten gale Nov 8, 2019, 11:22 AM

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3

covert blade Nov 8, 2019, 11:22 AM

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3+ I hope

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The bare minimum

molten gale Nov 8, 2019, 11:23 AM

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I can use those for the trackers

covert blade Nov 8, 2019, 11:23 AM

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I dont have that and my controllers also need recharging

molten gale Nov 8, 2019, 11:23 AM

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Well I have rechargable batteries for that

dusk mesa Nov 8, 2019, 11:25 AM

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vrcAevSlap

molten gale Nov 8, 2019, 11:25 AM

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I just hope they will actually track in my room

ruby needle Nov 8, 2019, 11:25 AM

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there is a nice chrager in a quick deal if you want one https://www.amazon.de/dp/B07VJF7X44

dusk mesa Nov 8, 2019, 11:25 AM

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Hey Paul vrcAevSlap

ruby needle Nov 8, 2019, 11:25 AM

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vrcFPaulSip

molten gale Nov 8, 2019, 11:25 AM

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Mayb

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Ill shower now

dusk mesa Nov 8, 2019, 11:26 AM

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You a stinky btw vrcAevSlap

rigid crescent Nov 8, 2019, 11:26 AM

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emoji

cinder wharf Nov 8, 2019, 11:27 AM

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Why do people need "baby on board" signs? does that mean cars without them are okay to run into?

molten gale Nov 8, 2019, 11:27 AM

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Yes

shell zinc Nov 8, 2019, 11:27 AM

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yes

ruby needle Nov 8, 2019, 11:28 AM

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not really the channel to ask such a offtopic question in

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but... these signs are the worst of the worst

covert blade Nov 8, 2019, 11:28 AM

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@cinder wharf #general-media

shell zinc Nov 8, 2019, 11:28 AM

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ill make a baby on board avatar in vrchat so it’s relevant paul dont worry

dusk mesa Nov 8, 2019, 11:31 AM

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LOL

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Let it float above your heador so

shell zinc Nov 8, 2019, 11:32 AM

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ill stick it.. behind me vrcFPaulSip

dusk mesa Nov 8, 2019, 11:32 AM

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😂

cinder wharf Nov 8, 2019, 11:32 AM

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So wait, that means if you're not wearing the avatar that means it's okay to run into you. Yes?

shell zinc Nov 8, 2019, 11:32 AM

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yeah

dusk mesa Nov 8, 2019, 11:32 AM

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"Run into" 🤔

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How does that work in Vr? You mean through

cinder wharf Nov 8, 2019, 11:33 AM

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Not that it'll do anything since we'll just pass through you because VRChat.

faint skiff Nov 8, 2019, 11:33 AM

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"Ramming speed"

dusk mesa Nov 8, 2019, 11:33 AM

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LOL

hollow sluice Nov 8, 2019, 11:33 AM

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Tell that to people with intense phantom touch

cinder wharf Nov 8, 2019, 11:34 AM

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You can feel people inside you?

errant hare Nov 8, 2019, 11:34 AM

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😄

cinder wharf Nov 8, 2019, 11:34 AM

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That's got to be weird.

hollow sluice Nov 8, 2019, 11:34 AM

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Running in to some9ne with phantom touch can feel very weird for them

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Painful at times

faint skiff Nov 8, 2019, 11:34 AM

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That charger actually looks really nice.

cinder wharf Nov 8, 2019, 11:35 AM

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But what if you can't see them?

faint skiff Nov 8, 2019, 11:35 AM

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I have a few friends that have phantom touch, I spend a good deal of time petting them because the reactions are cute

shell zinc Nov 8, 2019, 11:35 AM

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Enverex pats were nice and chill -w-

covert blade Nov 8, 2019, 11:35 AM

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I have phantom touch if you boop my nose >_<

errant hare Nov 8, 2019, 11:36 AM

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@covert blade I will find you and I will boop you

covert blade Nov 8, 2019, 11:36 AM

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Also when people head pat or sit on me

cinder wharf Nov 8, 2019, 11:36 AM

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My avatars shaders are broke you can't see my nose if I'm looking at you.

covert blade Nov 8, 2019, 11:36 AM

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@errant hare I'm the king of booping

cinder wharf Nov 8, 2019, 11:36 AM

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I look like a nose-less Vegeta

dusk mesa Nov 8, 2019, 11:37 AM

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I had it like when i started vrchat in january 2018 for a couple of month, but now only with people i like and only on two spots LOL

shell zinc Nov 8, 2019, 11:37 AM

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i wont question that

dusk mesa Nov 8, 2019, 11:37 AM

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🤔 why

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Its harmless spots, no sexual spots -.-

shell zinc Nov 8, 2019, 11:37 AM

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people i like threw me off a bit there

covert blade Nov 8, 2019, 11:38 AM

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I had phantom touch when @molten gale was on my head

cinder wharf Nov 8, 2019, 11:38 AM

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I have that thing where I'm not comfortable in my RL chair unless my avatar is sitting down.

errant hare Nov 8, 2019, 11:38 AM

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@covert blade Did it feel like intense neck pain?

covert blade Nov 8, 2019, 11:38 AM

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Hmm no

shell zinc Nov 8, 2019, 11:38 AM

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im very often the only vr user actually standing in worlds.. but ah well

covert blade Nov 8, 2019, 11:39 AM

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I stand a lot in full body

civic plume Nov 8, 2019, 11:39 AM

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are we talking about intense weight of the headsets = neck pains?

shell zinc Nov 8, 2019, 11:39 AM

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intense weight of.. pacis? i guess

covert blade Nov 8, 2019, 11:39 AM

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But an equal amount of time I'll say "Well time to be lazy" and throw my self into my bed

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@civic plume nope

errant hare Nov 8, 2019, 11:39 AM

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@civic plume No we were talking bout Paci sitting on Sasha head

civic plume Nov 8, 2019, 11:40 AM

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haha i dont know then

covert blade Nov 8, 2019, 11:40 AM

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@digital lintel head patting me also does that

cinder wharf Nov 8, 2019, 11:40 AM

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How rude. Don't sit on other peoples heads.

civic plume Nov 8, 2019, 11:40 AM

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xd i just woke up lol so my brain is still in my bed

cinder wharf Nov 8, 2019, 11:40 AM

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Unless they like it

errant hare Nov 8, 2019, 11:40 AM

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@covert blade You pinged wrong person, didn't you?

covert blade Nov 8, 2019, 11:40 AM

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Hmm no

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Second time I met Hitokiri he headpatted me for minutes

errant hare Nov 8, 2019, 11:41 AM

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Ah I see

shell zinc Nov 8, 2019, 11:41 AM

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can confirm the correct headpatter was @‘ed

covert blade Nov 8, 2019, 11:41 AM

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And the longer it kept going the more I felt it

molten gale Nov 8, 2019, 11:41 AM

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What

dusk mesa Nov 8, 2019, 11:41 AM

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🤔

covert blade Nov 8, 2019, 11:41 AM

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Hi Paci

errant hare Nov 8, 2019, 11:41 AM

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I was confused since they werent in the conversation

inner cape Nov 8, 2019, 11:41 AM

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🏳️‍🌈

molten gale Nov 8, 2019, 11:41 AM

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So uh

covert blade Nov 8, 2019, 11:42 AM

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They arent yet :D

molten gale Nov 8, 2019, 11:42 AM

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slightly upgrading my pc despite me buying a better one in a year or vive fbt

covert blade Nov 8, 2019, 11:42 AM

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D:

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Watchya gettin'?

umbral reef Nov 8, 2019, 11:42 AM

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Ghosto big gay vrcFPaulSip

molten gale Nov 8, 2019, 11:42 AM

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I only have like 700 bucks

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and id have to upgrade cpu gpu and power supply

covert blade Nov 8, 2019, 11:43 AM

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Hyst xD

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Paci isnt Kayra >_>

molten gale Nov 8, 2019, 11:43 AM

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And wouldnt be a big improvement

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because I cant buy good stuff

covert blade Nov 8, 2019, 11:43 AM

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But you are gettin a better PC anyways

molten gale Nov 8, 2019, 11:43 AM

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Yeah

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Thats why I ask

covert blade Nov 8, 2019, 11:44 AM

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So wats the slight upgrade for?

molten gale Nov 8, 2019, 11:44 AM

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Better performance in vr

covert blade Nov 8, 2019, 11:44 AM

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vrcThinking

molten gale Nov 8, 2019, 11:45 AM

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Well slightly better

covert blade Nov 8, 2019, 11:45 AM

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You're confusing me

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What are you upgrading?

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What part exactly?

molten gale Nov 8, 2019, 11:45 AM

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cpu, gpu and power supply would require an upgrade

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but I only have 700 bucks

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So I dunno if I should do that or buy fbt

covert blade Nov 8, 2019, 11:46 AM

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Dont upgrade then

errant hare Nov 8, 2019, 11:46 AM

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*and motherboard if it is Intel

faint skiff Nov 8, 2019, 11:46 AM

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Just think of the ~~ERP possibilities~~ increase in immersion that FBT provides.

covert blade Nov 8, 2019, 11:46 AM

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That's a lot of parts

molten gale Nov 8, 2019, 11:46 AM

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With that money thats a big no

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Welp fbt it is

civic plume Nov 8, 2019, 11:46 AM

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just found some helpful info on avatar creation

Make sure your fren get cuddles upon completion of avatar development

dusk mesa Nov 8, 2019, 11:46 AM

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I mean if he has performancr issue's now already, FBT wouldnt make it better

errant hare Nov 8, 2019, 11:47 AM

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Enverex finally convinced Paci

molten gale Nov 8, 2019, 11:47 AM

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I use a kinect and the performance is decent

inner cape Nov 8, 2019, 11:47 AM

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same erp jokes, chat doesnt change

faint skiff Nov 8, 2019, 11:47 AM

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FBT didn't seem to have any effect on performance for me to be honest. Lighthouse based tracking is very light.

molten gale Nov 8, 2019, 11:47 AM

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Its still playable

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Unless you enter a pug

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Even 20 people room of rain is playable for me

dusk mesa Nov 8, 2019, 11:48 AM

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I have a kinect aswell, but dunno if FBT need more or less

covert blade Nov 8, 2019, 11:48 AM

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I dont think it makes a big difference

faint skiff Nov 8, 2019, 11:48 AM

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FBT is cool the first few times you use it, then it starts to feel like a gimmick, so you stop using it, then you realise that actually it was really important and now it feels weird that your legs aren't your legs so you have to start using it again.

covert blade Nov 8, 2019, 11:48 AM

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For me I'm just too lazy to put on my full gear

molten gale Nov 8, 2019, 11:48 AM

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Ill get the fbt for christmas if I pay a part of it and my family accepts and while its charging I can use the kinect

covert blade Nov 8, 2019, 11:48 AM

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Midweek at least

errant hare Nov 8, 2019, 11:49 AM

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@covert blade You got Vive fbt as well?

covert blade Nov 8, 2019, 11:49 AM

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Yup

dusk mesa Nov 8, 2019, 11:49 AM

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I would never be to lazy for FBT vrcAevSlap

molten gale Nov 8, 2019, 11:49 AM

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^

covert blade Nov 8, 2019, 11:49 AM

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Meet me this weekend and you'll see me in FBT

errant hare Nov 8, 2019, 11:49 AM

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and I was lazy to put just my headset on

covert blade Nov 8, 2019, 11:49 AM

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Same

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Midweek I just dont wanna stand

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And VR all sitting is kinda meh

molten gale Nov 8, 2019, 11:50 AM

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Welp guess ill try to get fbt

covert blade Nov 8, 2019, 11:50 AM

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Do it

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Dew it

dusk mesa Nov 8, 2019, 11:50 AM

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I mean, why not lay down or stand up?

molten gale Nov 8, 2019, 11:50 AM

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Guess ill be broke for a few months

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Until Its my bday or I get a job

covert blade Nov 8, 2019, 11:51 AM

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@dusk mesa I do that but midweek after work I just wanna sit on my chair and relax

dusk mesa Nov 8, 2019, 11:51 AM

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Lazy poopy

errant hare Nov 8, 2019, 11:51 AM

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You compare bday offerings to job monthly payout? @molten gale

molten gale Nov 8, 2019, 11:51 AM

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No

covert blade Nov 8, 2019, 11:52 AM

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I stand all day at work already

molten gale Nov 8, 2019, 11:52 AM

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But I wont be as broke when I get bday money

dusk mesa Nov 8, 2019, 11:52 AM

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So do i 😜

faint skiff Nov 8, 2019, 11:52 AM

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I normally spend 5 hours or so a night in VRC and I'm stood up the entire time. I'm apparently one of the rare few FBT users that isn't lay down all the time 😛

shell zinc Nov 8, 2019, 11:52 AM

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^^

molten gale Nov 8, 2019, 11:52 AM

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I sometimes stand

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In games and such

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Until my feet hurt

dusk mesa Nov 8, 2019, 11:52 AM

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I lay, sit or stand with ny Kinect,depends on mood vrcAevSlap

molten gale Nov 8, 2019, 11:53 AM

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Same

shell zinc Nov 8, 2019, 11:53 AM

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im too used to everyone floating with their legs out to even question it at this point

molten gale Nov 8, 2019, 11:53 AM

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I always position myself on the floor

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Unless I play murder while sitting

covert blade Nov 8, 2019, 11:53 AM

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Cant do when just sitting

dusk mesa Nov 8, 2019, 11:53 AM

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Playspacemover? 🤔

covert blade Nov 8, 2019, 11:53 AM

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Either my butt floats or my legs are part of the floor

molten gale Nov 8, 2019, 11:54 AM

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Yeah place yourself on a chair or something

dusk mesa Nov 8, 2019, 11:54 AM

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Ez pz

molten gale Nov 8, 2019, 11:54 AM

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You saw how I do it

dusk mesa Nov 8, 2019, 11:54 AM

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Or in someone's lap

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😂

faint skiff Nov 8, 2019, 11:54 AM

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People lay down floating is actually one of my big pet peves with the game. Despite how outrageous it sounds, it's one of the few things that really breaks my immersion.

molten gale Nov 8, 2019, 11:55 AM

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I wanna lay down on the floor when I do that

rigid crescent Nov 8, 2019, 11:56 AM

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i feel attacked https://puu.sh/ECaF2/f3e05acdc8.png

errant hare Nov 8, 2019, 11:56 AM

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It breaks my immersion when let's say a hot dog starts talking to me

molten gale Nov 8, 2019, 11:57 AM

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Lmao

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Mic get yaself a pillow

errant hare Nov 8, 2019, 11:59 AM

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Thats how fbt users roll - sit in the aair

molten gale Nov 8, 2019, 11:59 AM

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I dont

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Sometimes

lunar cedar Nov 8, 2019, 12:06 PM

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I've found two avatars that sit and lay down with perfect alignment to the floor. One is nezuko and I'll probably stick to that one for a while because of that reason

molten gale Nov 8, 2019, 12:06 PM

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lmao

lunar cedar Nov 8, 2019, 12:07 PM

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Idk what black magic that avatar creator used, but the only other avatar that works is one that matches my real life size well

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nezuko isn't even close lol

molten gale Nov 8, 2019, 12:10 PM

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welp time for vrchat

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actually nvm

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promised to play with someone

terse yoke Nov 8, 2019, 12:18 PM

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yes i hate when i play vrchat and actual humans ask to play with me (no im not mocking you this happens to me)

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because im such a bloody socially anxious human

hollow sluice Nov 8, 2019, 12:22 PM

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Yikes

vocal shard Nov 8, 2019, 12:35 PM

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Is there like NSFW rooms in VRChat? Like non minor rooms? The children can get very annoying in the rooms

lunar cedar Nov 8, 2019, 12:40 PM

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private and friends only where you choose who shows up. There's no way to police ages anywhere else

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It's not like vrchat is britain where you need to put your drivers license up for that

faint skiff Nov 8, 2019, 12:40 PM

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That's not a thing, just FYI

lunar cedar Nov 8, 2019, 12:40 PM

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It never went through?

desert stratus Nov 8, 2019, 12:41 PM

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~~silly, mirror rooms and their dwellers ARE the nsfw rooms >u>~~ if you mean 18+ youd have to somehow coordinate that yourself, but NSFW anything is against game TOS

faint skiff Nov 8, 2019, 12:41 PM

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No, obviously, as it was clearly a retarded idea that they had no way to enforce.

lunar cedar Nov 8, 2019, 12:41 PM

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Solar, not this again. NSFW anything is not against the TOS. Nudity and porn is against it.

desert stratus Nov 8, 2019, 12:41 PM

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sorry, just making sure > <

lunar cedar Nov 8, 2019, 12:43 PM

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It's fine. The term NSFW is way too vague anyways, so it's easy to get confused.

desert stratus Nov 8, 2019, 12:43 PM

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yeayea

faint skiff Nov 8, 2019, 12:43 PM

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I'd say a majority, if not all the "thot" avatars are NSFW if you're that strict.

lunar cedar Nov 8, 2019, 12:43 PM

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Exactly, I'd consider them NSFW too. But whether that's the rule's version of NSFW, idek

broken plover Nov 8, 2019, 12:45 PM

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if you would work at a company and you look at memes that talk bad about the company those memes would be nsfw too (in that specific case)

lunar cedar Nov 8, 2019, 12:46 PM

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I think "erotic" would be much clearer, unless the intent was to include some non-erotic NSFW content

desert stratus Nov 8, 2019, 12:47 PM

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i think erotic is whee they really draw the line

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hence banning avatars and playersfor having nipples under their clothes

faint skiff Nov 8, 2019, 12:50 PM

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Pretty sure having 95% of your cleavage and a string for a thong is also NSFW and arguably erotic too, but still doesn't fall foul of the rule, apparently.

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You'd think dressing like a ghetto hooker would definitely be classed as NSFW come to think of it. Weird standards.

lunar cedar Nov 8, 2019, 12:51 PM

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Does it really not? I mean I know there's plenty of those avatars in-game, but still...

faint skiff Nov 8, 2019, 12:51 PM

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I mean, the mirror sitters in most worlds normally have at least a few of those in pretty much every world.

lunar cedar Nov 8, 2019, 12:52 PM

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Ever since setting my perf limiter to poor, I barely see any :xD:

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We're talking about the thotty avatars. I wouldn't consider a swimsuit either nsfw or erotic.

vocal shard Nov 8, 2019, 12:53 PM

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@lunar cedar was less of a question of open. And way m9re of not having 13 year olds jumping into Convos or just screaming in background disrupting convos

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Porn not open

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Lol

lunar cedar Nov 8, 2019, 12:54 PM

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mute them? Private and friends only instances are still the way to go if you don't want to see them at all

covert blade Nov 8, 2019, 12:55 PM

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How would you even age restrict anything?

lunar cedar Nov 8, 2019, 12:56 PM

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That's why I half-joked about the license age-gate of Britain that was once to be

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Or just play at odd hours that children sleep at

covert blade Nov 8, 2019, 12:59 PM

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Earth aint flat

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Then you just have kids from different timezones

lunar cedar Nov 8, 2019, 1:00 PM

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true, but 1-3am EST is usually time for school in europe and a little too early for asia.

covert blade Nov 8, 2019, 1:01 PM

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Hmmmm

lunar cedar Nov 8, 2019, 1:02 PM

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Most japanese I've met are also in their 20s, age seems to skew higher for Asians

covert blade Nov 8, 2019, 1:02 PM

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I cant understand 🇯🇵 tho

lunar cedar Nov 8, 2019, 1:02 PM

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I'm still trying to become conversational in it, but I'm struggling

errant hare Nov 8, 2019, 1:02 PM

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You need to watch more anime @covert blade

covert blade Nov 8, 2019, 1:03 PM

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@errant hare anime is actually bad for that

errant hare Nov 8, 2019, 1:03 PM

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Ofcourse it is, I was joking

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If you learn from anime you become perfert example of weeb

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Talking broken English/Japanese mix with lot's of desu

lunar cedar Nov 8, 2019, 1:05 PM

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I like anime, but I have to turn of my brain to make sure I don't pick up those bad habits of speaking like an anime

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Make sure to pronounce the U-

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DESUUUUUU

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I wouldn't mind speaking like Izuna Hatsuse though.

errant hare Nov 8, 2019, 1:13 PM

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I wouldn't mind speaking any decent Japanese

lunar cedar Nov 8, 2019, 1:14 PM

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https://youtu.be/5kh9lJjuEfo

errant hare Nov 8, 2019, 1:15 PM

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Too late, already check that video

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I didn't know what character you were talking about

lunar cedar Nov 8, 2019, 1:15 PM

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I just replaced with a better one

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More examples of cute desus

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The tail full floof mode is top tier too

faint skiff Nov 8, 2019, 1:24 PM

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HAH. Loli avatars are pay-gated on Tafi. I guess they know their audience.

north axle Nov 8, 2019, 1:28 PM

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Your opinion: is FBT worth it?

umbral reef Nov 8, 2019, 1:29 PM

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No-

lunar cedar Nov 8, 2019, 1:29 PM

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Yes

broken plover Nov 8, 2019, 1:29 PM

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not worth it but it is so much better

umbral reef Nov 8, 2019, 1:29 PM

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Its too expensive and adds to little for its value. The tech does not have a bright future.
If its fun to use? Big fucking yes from what i have seen.

lunar cedar Nov 8, 2019, 1:30 PM

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The immersion is palpable

umbral reef Nov 8, 2019, 1:30 PM

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If i won the lottery id be for sure getting it instantly

lunar cedar Nov 8, 2019, 1:31 PM

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vive tracking isn't the only viable option, so it's not all too expensive

umbral reef Nov 8, 2019, 1:32 PM

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The other options give way lesser results, still cost money unless you already got parts for it.

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And kinect needs a fair bit of space to even work. What is not the case in most setups

lunar cedar Nov 8, 2019, 1:32 PM

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I wouldn't say the k4a is way lesser, but it's also not much cheaper

umbral reef Nov 8, 2019, 1:33 PM

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VR is for sure worth it right now. 300 for a proper headset? Shit man thats insane compared to other tech we can get.
If you said it two years ago, sure.

faint skiff Nov 8, 2019, 1:33 PM

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I'm assuming you've not used VR or you used something bad, because VR is definitely worth it.

lunar cedar Nov 8, 2019, 1:33 PM

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Yea, got mine for $300 including a second pair of controllers, so I'd say vr alone is definitely worth it

digital lintel Nov 8, 2019, 1:34 PM

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Mostly caught up, ya, you got the right fella, Paci.
I was asleep. : P lol

covert blade Nov 8, 2019, 1:34 PM

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Good day y'all

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Am home now

lunar cedar Nov 8, 2019, 1:34 PM

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^^

covert blade Nov 8, 2019, 1:36 PM

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It depends. If you have a bad PC, then buying a new PC with high specs for VRChat + VR can be pretty expensive for something that some consider to be just a gimmick

umbral reef Nov 8, 2019, 1:36 PM

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a 1K twitter, insta, watsapp, music and reddit machine

covert blade Nov 8, 2019, 1:36 PM

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Which is why I initially didn't agree with spending 600+ euro on a VR headset

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Not sure if "Termin" is an English word :P

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Calendar, appointments

lunar cedar Nov 8, 2019, 1:37 PM

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All those you mention can be achieved with a $400 phone, but people still get the $1k iphone

covert blade Nov 8, 2019, 1:37 PM

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And navigation is a very important thing for me actually

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I forgot what my S7 was priced at

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@lunar cedar Bragging rights basically

umbral reef Nov 8, 2019, 1:38 PM

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If they have the money they can also get vr C:

covert blade Nov 8, 2019, 1:38 PM

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You buy such an expensive piece of hardware so you can brag

lunar cedar Nov 8, 2019, 1:38 PM

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Got my phone and vr and fully body for less than what many pay for just their phone lol

errant hare Nov 8, 2019, 1:38 PM

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What are differences between $200 and $1000 phone?

umbral reef Nov 8, 2019, 1:38 PM

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Speed and polish.

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Also being able to own your information VS getting it sold off.

lunar cedar Nov 8, 2019, 1:38 PM

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Security updates

umbral reef Nov 8, 2019, 1:39 PM

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Phone contract

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So you pay 1.3K just over a longer time

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My company has some cheap ass plans and even more cheap internet plans for phones.
You will never pay less then staight up buying it

lunar cedar Nov 8, 2019, 1:39 PM

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Yea, contracts typically add a 20-30% markup. Some as low as 10% if you get it on a deal.

umbral reef Nov 8, 2019, 1:40 PM

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You can claim they dont, but please explain how they make money then C:

lunar cedar Nov 8, 2019, 1:40 PM

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You need to read your contracts

umbral reef Nov 8, 2019, 1:41 PM

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Doing 5 minute maths does make shady company tactics seem wierd yea

faint skiff Nov 8, 2019, 1:42 PM

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So you're on a month to month thing then?

lunar cedar Nov 8, 2019, 1:46 PM

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Any other Germans want to clarify that your phone contracts are negative margin? Since that's baffling my American mind with all the American carriers not offering that. We get the occasional 0% contract for iphones because apple pushes them hard, but that's about it.

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Oh, just guessing based on a german translating termin

umbral reef Nov 8, 2019, 1:49 PM

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Still means you payed way more then 600 over a longer time what made your original claim still as wrong/bad

covert blade Nov 8, 2019, 1:50 PM

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@cold saddle Wait a second, you're not German, but "Honigball" is a German word vrcThinking

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Would translate to Honey ball

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Which is what I'm gonna call you ingame because I'm not gonna try to get an English pronunciation of "Honigball" done

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Yeah but I'm German

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So pronouncing a German word in English doesn't work

delicate oasis Nov 8, 2019, 1:53 PM

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Hello

covert blade Nov 8, 2019, 1:53 PM

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I'd tend to say "Honig" in German and "ball" in English

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But that's not right either

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So Honeyball it is :D

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lol

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~~Also I'm not gonna speak German ingame or here~~

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~~That's something I very very VERY rarely do~~

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So if you'd walk up to me and spoke German, I'd reply in English

delicate oasis Nov 8, 2019, 1:54 PM

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I have no idea what happening but this is nice

errant hare Nov 8, 2019, 1:54 PM

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@covert blade Do you curse in German though? :>

covert blade Nov 8, 2019, 1:54 PM

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Nope

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I dont even curse in German while speaking to my German friends in Discord

broken plover Nov 8, 2019, 1:54 PM

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next time i see you mason I'll speak german with you

covert blade Nov 8, 2019, 1:55 PM

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I'll take your toast and slap you with it D:

broken plover Nov 8, 2019, 1:55 PM

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bet

covert blade Nov 8, 2019, 1:55 PM

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I'll get my own toast

digital lintel Nov 8, 2019, 1:55 PM

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lol I'm a bit lost in dms this morning.. ping me if anyone wants to chat~

errant hare Nov 8, 2019, 1:56 PM

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wow lost in dm's

covert blade Nov 8, 2019, 1:57 PM

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Hmmm I wonder why 👀

delicate oasis Nov 8, 2019, 1:57 PM

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This place is calm once in a while

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But it’s nice

covert blade Nov 8, 2019, 1:58 PM

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Also, it started snowing here :I

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I should look up some snowy maps in VRC

delicate oasis Nov 8, 2019, 1:59 PM

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We don’t get snow down here

errant hare Nov 8, 2019, 2:00 PM

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Yeah, it means it will snow here sooner than later

turbid agate Nov 8, 2019, 2:01 PM

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Ha i had snow for weeks, currently -16 C matsix

delicate oasis Nov 8, 2019, 2:01 PM

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It’s always hot once in a while it gets cold but mostly hot

covert blade Nov 8, 2019, 2:01 PM

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The thing that bothers me is that for the entire week, it has been wet & cold

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How is it even allowed to rain for so many days

delicate oasis Nov 8, 2019, 2:02 PM

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Your getting a big one maybe?

errant hare Nov 8, 2019, 2:03 PM

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@covert blade British weather invasion, had that too

covert blade Nov 8, 2019, 2:03 PM

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oof

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But yeah it feels like that for the past week and last week, every single day it was raining at one point during the day and if just for a lil bit

errant hare Nov 8, 2019, 2:04 PM

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Wasn't raining yesterday thankfully, right when I went outside

covert blade Nov 8, 2019, 2:04 PM

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And now it's snowing :X

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If the next week is gonna be like that too we're gonna have a butt load of snow

delicate oasis Nov 8, 2019, 2:04 PM

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It’s a little cold outside but it’s nice

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It only snow once down here

broken plover Nov 8, 2019, 2:06 PM

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for me its just raining :/

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and also its cold

delicate oasis Nov 8, 2019, 2:06 PM

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I like when it rains calmly it’s nice and relaxing

errant hare Nov 8, 2019, 2:08 PM

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I like when it is raining heavly and watchthrough a window people run to their destination

delicate oasis Nov 8, 2019, 2:13 PM

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Calm is for me

broken plover Nov 8, 2019, 2:16 PM

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I think so

compact river Nov 8, 2019, 2:17 PM

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Keep in mind that if it has integrated graphics the hdmi might not be connected to the gpu so ye

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Be careful

crystal fossil Nov 8, 2019, 2:19 PM

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That would suck. Lets give them a GPU, but not let them use it for anything for the screen that's built in.

steep ginkgo Nov 8, 2019, 2:20 PM

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It has a hdmi port if you mean that

compact river Nov 8, 2019, 2:20 PM

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No

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What is the hdmi connected to cpu or gpu

crystal fossil Nov 8, 2019, 2:20 PM

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Yes, but the HDMI could be one for the board and not the GPU, is what they mean.

compact river Nov 8, 2019, 2:20 PM

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Is what you need to know

crystal fossil Nov 8, 2019, 2:20 PM

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And that would be hilarious, tbh.

compact river Nov 8, 2019, 2:20 PM

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My laptop was like that

steep ginkgo Nov 8, 2019, 2:21 PM

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How can i know if this one has that?

crystal fossil Nov 8, 2019, 2:21 PM

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That's so bad.

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I doubt Lenovo would do that. But you never know. That's so bad.

compact river Nov 8, 2019, 2:21 PM

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Not sure you could ask or look for a review

crystal fossil Nov 8, 2019, 2:22 PM

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I have a Lenovo cube from back when they made them.

compact river Nov 8, 2019, 2:22 PM

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Lenovo products are cancer so

crystal fossil Nov 8, 2019, 2:22 PM

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Mine's been pretty good.

compact river Nov 8, 2019, 2:22 PM

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I remember buying a 2 in 1 laptop and they put so much bloatware on it

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It could not run properly

crystal fossil Nov 8, 2019, 2:23 PM

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There's like one program I'd consider bloatware, but it controls the lighting of the tower.

compact river Nov 8, 2019, 2:23 PM

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Ya this had a good 20

crystal fossil Nov 8, 2019, 2:23 PM

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lol

compact river Nov 8, 2019, 2:24 PM

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Even internet struggles to open

crystal fossil Nov 8, 2019, 2:24 PM

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I paid less for the PC than I did for my full VR kit and it's never given me issue. Just lucky.

compact river Nov 8, 2019, 2:24 PM

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Its the laptops that are loaded with crap

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Every time

covert blade Nov 8, 2019, 2:57 PM

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@sage mango Need something?

sage mango Nov 8, 2019, 3:27 PM

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i just added maybe u could play with me

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cz like i m new and i could use some help

covert blade Nov 8, 2019, 3:30 PM

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@sage mango I can help ya, but I'm not accepting friend requests until I actually met them ingame or talked with a bunch on Discord already. Please keep that in mind

sage mango Nov 8, 2019, 3:33 PM

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ohh okay no problem

mellow steeple Nov 8, 2019, 4:05 PM

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Funny thing. on VRChat Desktop, press Shift + 1, you can see thirdperson. (the Esc button reverts it back to normal)

sharp ocean Nov 8, 2019, 4:22 PM

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never knew you could thirdperson lol...will try that once I feel like desktop mode again

vocal shard Nov 8, 2019, 4:27 PM

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Hi guys, I have a question

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Can you add someone who's offline by the moment you add them?

pure hemlock Nov 8, 2019, 4:28 PM

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Yes they will receive the friend request when they next log in or if they check the website

vocal shard Nov 8, 2019, 4:29 PM

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Oooh, thank you! ><

tender shoal Nov 8, 2019, 4:30 PM

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@mellow steeple It's only in certain worlds. In the japan shrine you can press ctrl + 1 or ctrl + 3

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Not all worlds have it though. It is a nice feature tho

mellow steeple Nov 8, 2019, 4:42 PM

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True

potent turtle Nov 8, 2019, 5:06 PM

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anyone know why so many people are on vrc?

rigid crescent Nov 8, 2019, 5:06 PM

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It's friday night for EU

faint skiff Nov 8, 2019, 5:06 PM

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That's a good point actually. It's normally higher on Friday, but not this high and not this early in the day.

rigid crescent Nov 8, 2019, 5:06 PM

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could be why

faint skiff Nov 8, 2019, 5:06 PM

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It's only 5/6pm in the main EU regions.

rigid crescent Nov 8, 2019, 5:07 PM

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There might be a youtuber streaming it or something, numbers hit like....11k on a sunday morning when all he did was struggle to connect to the game for about an hour

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he being pewdiepie

lunar cedar Nov 8, 2019, 5:07 PM

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It's been steadily increasing for a while now. I wonder if someone has that website with the graphs, if even it does goes back far enough to see the trend.

faint skiff Nov 8, 2019, 5:07 PM

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No-one on Twitch, could be someone on YouTube.

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@lunar cedar Steam does.

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https://steamcharts.com/app/438100

rigid crescent Nov 8, 2019, 5:08 PM

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yeah any time there's a big content creator related boom it's due to a youtuber, no one on twitch pulls those numbers unless it's just someone big testing it out for the meme

umbral reef Nov 8, 2019, 5:08 PM

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wowie those are loads of users

rigid crescent Nov 8, 2019, 5:09 PM

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<@&397642795457970181>

potent turtle Nov 8, 2019, 5:13 PM

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and then it just dropped

vocal shard Nov 8, 2019, 5:22 PM

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So how is VRC in general? cause I think it's probably dying still.

faint skiff Nov 8, 2019, 5:23 PM

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Monthly user averages are up slightly each month, so it's not dying. When UDON comes out, it will (hopefully) allow users to create more interesting and elaborate worlds, hopefully to the point where you could actually call them games, but we'll see. If that does pan out, that will definitely help bring in users.

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They still need some way of handling persistence and such though like SL did. You could go to RP worlds in SL and have an entire character sheet with equipment and it was all persistent. Actually come to think of it, you actually had a full inventory in SL too.

pseudo basalt Nov 8, 2019, 5:24 PM

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That or vrc will die and be replaced by another one of the social vr games that are being developed

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Until there isn't something else, it won't die

vocal shard Nov 8, 2019, 5:25 PM

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Hopefully I guess I don't know because Creating stuff was fun for me but when not many people are around its a major discouragement

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I believe they did say when udon comes out, it will have the ability to save between sessions

pseudo basalt Nov 8, 2019, 5:26 PM

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The player numbers are pretty solid, close to 10k

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I don't think they really fall below 5k and that's been so for a while, provided the servers aren't dying

vocal shard Nov 8, 2019, 5:26 PM

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Player numbers are higher now than before. Except for the knuckles meme ofcourse

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Ok & Yeah Memes Die & Get Recycled

faint skiff Nov 8, 2019, 5:27 PM

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Averages of 6800 users per month for the last 2 months.

vocal shard Nov 8, 2019, 5:27 PM

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Especially as we get close to Christmas... There will probably be a bump in quest players too

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Maybe

pseudo basalt Nov 8, 2019, 5:27 PM

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Yeah, vrc isn't going anywhere anytime soon unless something replaces it

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But I don't think it's competition is very good or not too very far in development yet

vocal shard Nov 8, 2019, 5:28 PM

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which is nice that it is staying because I enjoy the game & wish for it to succeed but whenever i log on its literally just the same stuff so i dont play much

faint skiff Nov 8, 2019, 5:28 PM

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Hell, Second Life peaked around 89,000 users and much of that felt completely empty due to how big the world(s) were or rather how many of them there were.

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Places will always feel empty if you go where people aren't. taps head

vocal shard Nov 8, 2019, 5:29 PM

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true i guess

faint skiff Nov 8, 2019, 5:29 PM

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That said, the fact the world could be entirely contiguous in SL was a majorly nice feature that I really miss in VRC.

pseudo basalt Nov 8, 2019, 5:30 PM

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Second life was a completely different beast

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The graphics looked really rough and the whole game in general looks very dated, last I checked

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And the people playing it are probably not the same types of people that would just get onto vrc

faint skiff Nov 8, 2019, 5:31 PM

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Well yeah, it came out over 10 years ago. I'm talking back when it was a technical marvel.

pseudo basalt Nov 8, 2019, 5:31 PM

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Makes sense

faint skiff Nov 8, 2019, 5:31 PM

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16 years ago even.

vocal shard Nov 8, 2019, 5:31 PM

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2003

faint skiff Nov 8, 2019, 5:31 PM

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But it was essentially the same thing, just in pancake form.

pseudo basalt Nov 8, 2019, 5:31 PM

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I mean, not like vrc doesn't look dated either

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But VR does add a lot to it

vocal shard Nov 8, 2019, 5:32 PM

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Yeah VR is magical & awesome

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I just remember the SL community being more... Not something I would recommend teens play

pseudo basalt Nov 8, 2019, 5:32 PM

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More niche? Oh yeah, definitely

vocal shard Nov 8, 2019, 5:33 PM

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I played it when I was 16

pseudo basalt Nov 8, 2019, 5:33 PM

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Well, it did get the reputation it has for a reason

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And why you got people making videos of themselves messing with the locals of sl

faint skiff Nov 8, 2019, 5:34 PM

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Nah, SL was exactly like VRC in terms of communities. On the surface there were all the normal people, kids and so forth. Only after you spent any time there did you find the more weird communities or strange groups. The same seems to be true in VRC really.

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It's just with each world on VRC being isolated (and the issue of instancing) does it seem harder to find people or weirdness in VRC.

vocal shard Nov 8, 2019, 5:36 PM

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Yeah but thats because id say majority or a good part of the community is NSFW so that would make sense

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in my opinion

pseudo basalt Nov 8, 2019, 5:36 PM

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Honestly, most of my vrc friends are the more niche groups

faint skiff Nov 8, 2019, 5:36 PM

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Well, it seems that way now because they're all that's left. Back when it was mainstream, that wasn't the case.

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It had a userbase just shy of a million people.

pseudo basalt Nov 8, 2019, 5:36 PM

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But those also weren't quite regulars

lunar cedar Nov 8, 2019, 5:36 PM

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"back when it was mainstream" when was that?

pseudo basalt Nov 8, 2019, 5:37 PM

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I think it's more worth looking at the community in it's regulars, not visitors

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Because any game that goes viral, especially because of memes, will get lots of people getting on but not sticking around

vocal shard Nov 8, 2019, 5:38 PM

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Confused... Are we still talking about SL or VRC?
O.O

faint skiff Nov 8, 2019, 5:38 PM

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@lunar cedar 2009 apparently.

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"In 2015 alone, Second Life users had cashed out approximately $60,000,000 (60 million US dollars) and Second Life had an estimated GDP of $500,000,000 (500 million US dollars), higher than some small countries."

pseudo basalt Nov 8, 2019, 5:38 PM

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I was thinking vrc but actually, looks like it's more about sl

faint skiff Nov 8, 2019, 5:38 PM

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Another interesting fact, lol

pseudo basalt Nov 8, 2019, 5:39 PM

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i tried sl for like 10 minutes many years ago but got quickly bored

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but then again I didn't intend to socialize at all

vocal shard Nov 8, 2019, 5:39 PM

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^ similar

lunar cedar Nov 8, 2019, 5:39 PM

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I think I tried it in 2012. I couldn't get interested and the only populated places I could find were places full of people doing stuff

pseudo basalt Nov 8, 2019, 5:39 PM

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when i was like 15 i didn't care too much about it because i had plenty of people i was around at school

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not so much now

vocal shard Nov 8, 2019, 5:40 PM

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I spent most of my time on mabinogi anyway. That was my SL AkkoShrug

pseudo basalt Nov 8, 2019, 5:40 PM

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i don't even remember what I would do

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i played c&c renegade for about a year or two in like 2007

lunar cedar Nov 8, 2019, 5:40 PM

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Those days I mained WoW

pseudo basalt Nov 8, 2019, 5:40 PM

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but then moved to tf2

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mmos were all private servers and pretty disposable around my place

lunar cedar Nov 8, 2019, 5:41 PM

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Kinda hope vrc gets a bit more gamelike with udon (remember gaming in PS Home, anyone?)

pseudo basalt Nov 8, 2019, 5:41 PM

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don't even remember when i was playing stuff like mu online and lineage 2, or even silkroad, but I guess I did

vocal shard Nov 8, 2019, 5:42 PM

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I liked PS home

lunar cedar Nov 8, 2019, 5:42 PM

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The customizability was outrageously expensive though

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I'm pretty sure I played more of PS Home than any other game on my PS3

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Actually, maybe cod waw more

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But still close probably

vocal shard Nov 8, 2019, 5:43 PM

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LBP took most of my time on my ps3

errant hare Nov 8, 2019, 5:45 PM

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@vocal shard What server have you been in on Mabi?

vocal shard Nov 8, 2019, 5:46 PM

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Anyways Have a good one guys imma pop out of the chat so yeah ^~^

molten gale Nov 8, 2019, 5:46 PM

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Its likely decided that I get the tracking stuff

vocal shard Nov 8, 2019, 5:49 PM

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@errant hare Mari was my main server

errant hare Nov 8, 2019, 5:50 PM

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I see. I was on Alexina, the only one that wasn't merged

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I mean I am still

vocal shard Nov 8, 2019, 5:50 PM

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Yeah. I made a new alexina character to be with my friends. But lost motivation to do the storylines again

errant hare Nov 8, 2019, 5:51 PM

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Same, lost motivation like half a year ago

molten gale Nov 8, 2019, 5:53 PM

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???

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Also how do you make avatars quest compatible

faint skiff Nov 8, 2019, 5:55 PM

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Bring them down below 7500 tris, make them 1 mesh, 1 material, then import them into the game with Unity set to the Android platform with the VRC SDK.

molten gale Nov 8, 2019, 5:55 PM

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Oh god thats a low tris count

errant hare Nov 8, 2019, 5:56 PM

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or just set to Android platform if you are lazy or want quick results

faint skiff Nov 8, 2019, 5:56 PM

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(although it'll complain and refuse to let you upload if you have any dynamic bones, rigid bodies, etc).

vocal shard Nov 8, 2019, 5:57 PM

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I'm just glad they added the capability to upload two versions of your avatar on the same blueprint. So your don't have to make your main avatar look like a quest one

molten gale Nov 8, 2019, 5:57 PM

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Oh wow I found a nice booth model

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The only thing keeping it medium is the fact that is has 3 meshes

vocal shard Nov 8, 2019, 5:58 PM

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Tafi avatars are also quest compatible. So that's nice ^^

molten gale Nov 8, 2019, 5:58 PM

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?

vocal shard Nov 8, 2019, 5:58 PM

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The Tafi avatar creator that's in develpment right now. It's not anime style, but it's a decent character creator for vrchat

molten gale Nov 8, 2019, 5:59 PM

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Oh yeah

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Seen a quest user with that

errant hare Nov 8, 2019, 5:59 PM

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Easiest to set up avatar with isn't it?

molten gale Nov 8, 2019, 5:59 PM

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yeah

vocal shard Nov 8, 2019, 6:00 PM

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Waiting for them to add height sliders though. I don't feel comfortable in an avatar that's 1.8m

errant hare Nov 8, 2019, 6:00 PM

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If I paid attention to Jamie video it seems you don't need Unity, just upload it of the software

molten gale Nov 8, 2019, 6:00 PM

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Wait how do you set it to android

faint skiff Nov 8, 2019, 6:01 PM

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The PC version of their avatars are around 15000 tris and like 15 materials so I'm curious how their Quest ones look/work and what spec they are.

vocal shard Nov 8, 2019, 6:02 PM

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It depends on the clothes. Some are medium, some are poor, based on Tris. But the materials are merged for quest. I think they're going to work on merging materials for PC as well

faint skiff Nov 8, 2019, 6:02 PM

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The tris is what made me curious though, do they have Quest versions of every part of each model, or do they auto-decimate in some way...

lunar cedar Nov 8, 2019, 6:03 PM

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You'll need to download the android platform first, but it's under Build settings once you do

molten gale Nov 8, 2019, 6:03 PM

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howd I do that

lunar cedar Nov 8, 2019, 6:03 PM

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In the Unity hub

molten gale Nov 8, 2019, 6:05 PM

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website orrrr

lunar cedar Nov 8, 2019, 6:06 PM

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I'm not sure if editing installed module is possible, though maybe the standalone installer installs all by default?

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Try rerunning the installer

errant hare Nov 8, 2019, 6:07 PM

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Before installing Unity it asks whether you want android module