You dont just buy a headset you buy a service 👏
#vrchat-general-2
umbral reef
vocal shard
Is the date for the VRChat Unity upgrade released?
umbral reef
Nope
tall plaza
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fickle cliff
hello there
twin fractal
anything fun tonight?
sleek sonnet
SUP
vocal shard
did vr chat get mixed reality support recently?
ruby needle
running bad as in performance? cus vrchat is always rather hungry with vr
vocal shard
yea, like it constantly kinda lagging out of the game to the steam home loading page thing
No. I've been using wmr for almost 2 years in vrchat and it works fine. It actually ran better for me than my rift did
deft pelican
Anyone know what the ratio of vr to desktop users is now? (in vrchat)
shrewd shore
I currently use my desktop computer, but I probably dont count since ive been a chicken about going into public places for some reason. hoping to jury rig a smartphone for it maybe through in the future.
tacit copper
so im pretty new and im on pc, but sometimes my avatar randomly makes angry faces, is there a way to toggle this on/off or at least be able to control it?
silk hollow
Those are triggered by hand gestures.
tacit copper
on pc though i cant really do that
indigo fern
you can, gestures are with shift f1 - f8
but if youre accidentally making faces, that avatar might have eye tracking with the wrong shapekeys on top
tacit copper
oh the hand gestures thing worked thanks
indigo fern
gud, if it was the second thing that would be effort 
manic galleon
oye
vocal shard
Hello I’m looking for some people to play with and maybe start a group of friends (keep in mind I’m 14 and a guy) so no creepy people 😋
topaz ingot
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stiff sparrow
🤡
tired wasp
Does anyone know where I can find the hat girl from the hat in time
vale rapids
Hey, I can't get into VRChat. There is someone attacking my modem, they just threatened me in game and now I can't get online. I have a vod and their username, how do I go about reporting them?
sweet rapids
i just got the Oculus Quest for vrchat but i cant see custom pc avatars, it really sucks :/
guess i have to wait till oculus link comes out to see people
slate verge
@vale rapids use #vrchat-support
vale rapids
ok
vocal shard
Hello
@vale rapids unplug your router for 5 minutes and plug it back in.
That resets your ip-adress and he can’t attack you anymore.
Then one tip i can give you, if you don’t want this to happen anymore:
Close steam and vrchat completely so it is not running in the background.
Start VR Chat over the Homepage: vrchat.com and keep steam closed all the time.
The ip grab client they use for grabbing your ip uses p2p (steam) but if your steam is completely closed you return to the game as a steam id (what they use to grab your ip) 0 and the ip grabbing dosent work.
vocal shard
Vr chat is a social experience
lunar cedar
That's not how it works, but you should still close steam since it's a waste of resources.
still lark
@lunar cedar How what doesn't work?
lunar cedar
The IP grabber. That steam ip grabber hasn't worked in a very long time. Rule 6 and 18 though
still lark
I don't believe we're touching those rules
lunar cedar
If I were to actually describe what I'm talking about, I would be
tender spear
@vocal shard Hey! Mind if you can check your DM's mate? (I got permission to mention)
still lark
Permission from who? lmao
tender spear
Spooky
Also just send us a message when you've added me back since I can't send anything :P
Cheers Pill! :D
next cypress
Is there any oculus rift s users? I’d like some questions of mine answered...
still lark
@next cypress Ask away, some of us might know.
next cypress
I just want to know if the oculus rift s has any faults... some people say it’s okay, some say it’s awesome and some say that it sucks.
vocal shard
Yeah I've used the rift S a bunch. Also owned a Rift CV1, and some wmr headsets, and used Vive a fair amount
next cypress
How did you experience the rift s?
Did you experience any faults when you played any kind of games where you had to move your body a lot? If you actually did, for example beat sabers...
vocal shard
Right now, other than the index, I think the rift S is one of the best bang for your buck experiences. The screens are really clear with great lenses. It's comfortable, and the tracking is good. When it first came out, the tracking was iffy, but after the updates to the tracking, I think it's as accurate, as my rift with 3 sensors
It had some negative comments when it was first released because of some software bugs, but as it is now, I highly recommend it
vocal shard
I sold my rift, and currently using a cheap Lenovo explorer until I save to buy my own Rift S
(Borrowed a friend's, and went to a bunch of demos)
For me, yeah I think is better than the original rift. The screen improvement alone is huge
next cypress
Did you ever try playing games like beat saber?
vocal shard
Yeah
next cypress
Or any game which you had to move around in really...
Did it work as you expected it to?
vocal shard
Yeah. Honestly, I like the inside out tracking more than the external sensors of the CV1 rift. It could track a larger space, and places like close to the floor and near corners of the room had more reliable tracking than the old rift
Put simply, as someone who owned the old rift, I would not go back to it over the Rift S given the choice
next cypress
So you could play the game without any problems?
vocal shard
Yes. You have better roomscale than the old rift, and you can still track close to the headset and behind your back
next cypress
Really, even behind your back? A lot of people have said that it does not work.
boreal violet
as long as the movements behind the back are continous they seem to track OK, keeping still doesnt work tho because then there isnt gyro and accellerometer input so it loses its place
you cant keep a controller back there and have it work for more that rotational
vocal shard
The updates to the tracking algorithm let you track movement, and it also had predictive tracking. So you can reach behind you, pass things behind your back, ect. Holding it behind your back for a long time (which is almost never done) will lose tracking due to lack of movement data
It's one of those things where, if you try to test that exactly, yeah you will break the tracking, but in real world gameplay, it's almost never an issue.
next cypress
Alright, i think that’s enough of info i needed. I will definitely buy it when i can afford it. Thanks for your opinion and the help.
vocal shard
Np ^^
vocal shard
Just to backup what Jamie said there.. i have 4 sensors and im tracked all over the room including when i lay down, and i never had problems on vrchat, or any other platform i used in the past.
snow wadi
@next cypress Here, this should give you a better idea as well https://youtu.be/wnftQx-_YG0
faint skiff
@sweet rapids As I assume you have a decent PC as you mentioned Oculus Link, you can use ALVR or VirtualDesktop to stream full PCVR games to the Quest.
indigo fern
Vrc is one of the only games you'd use hands behind your back anyway
faint skiff
It's not necessarily "behind your back" just the opposite direction to where you're looking which you'll often do in gun games if you're going akimbo
indigo fern
Yea, and those are pretty much a quick action that is easily tracked with inside out
A short, grab behind your head and press button then to the front again
For gameplay purposes, it would be kind of silly if you had to keep your hand out of view for long
faint skiff
True, but the key is that it's something that needs to be tracked accurately, else you'll miss 😉
vocal shard
Like a quick pick of your nose and a flick across the room.. you need accuracy.
indigo fern
I mean, it doesn't just completely forget where the controller is in that short of time 
boreal violet
One of the few gameplay situations i can see from stuff ive played would be in Space Pirate Trainer where keeping the shield in one direction and firing in another can be a thing
Another would be some archery games since that would put the controller very close to your face, close enough that it would cause issues from some of the reviews ive seen
indigo fern
Ah, yea that archery thing definitely
faint skiff
I have to use the bow gangster style in Skyrim as it tries to knock the arrow the wrong side otherwise 😦 Fallout 4 has the same issue, can't switch weapon hands. Bethesda and their zero effort VR games.
indigo fern
🅱ethesda
vocal shard
Fallout VR edition.. christ the moment i downloaded that i got a refund within 10 mins.. it was not immersive back then not sure if its changed or not but it was god aweful.
faint skiff
The graphics look weird (like stuff's slightly out of focus and low res depending on the angle) and you can't switch weapon hands (I'm normally right handed, but use guns and phones in my left hand for... who knows why). But other than that it looks OK. Oh, that and the scale of people looks off to, like they're too thin..
vocal shard
Hmm yeah.. it reminded me of garrysmod on desktop.. and believe me i never had an issue in that community (on desktop) but in vr it felt like it was not immersive like i was on desktop but .. nothing really stood out to me like it should, reviews of people saying it was immersive.. are you serious.. if you want immersive try something thats native and made for it
faint skiff
I literally can't play Fallout 4 though due to not being able to switch weapon hands so I'm not quite sure what to do with it at this point.
lunar cedar
Was it an additional cost like skyrim vr? If so, that's super disappointing they'd pull that shit again
covert blade
It is
Except you dont have any of the DLC's
With the exception of elite dangerous, games that werent made for VR dont interest me
Especially not if I have to pay full price for something I technically already own
faint skiff
Yes, you have to buy the game again. Skyrim is at least the full version, where as Fallout 4 doesn't contain ANY of the DLC (and neither get any fixes). Bethesda are the worst these days.
covert blade
Meanwhile One Man's Lie No Mans Sky gets VR in a free update
Not that I liked the VR version and it ran like poop but hey, it's free
sweet rapids
@faint skiff well I'm a bit unsure if my pc can handle it because my pc is broken, that's why I got the quest hoping it would run good.
cold talon
Elite dangerous is so good in vr, I wonder how people play it in desktop mode
faint skiff
@sweet rapids Unfortunately VRC on the Quest is garbage so.. yeah 😦
rocky copper
alright lets do this
sweet rapids
@faint skiff yea I'll just wait till the quest link comes out to see if it works
faint skiff
@sweet rapids ALVR is free if you wanted to try that. That'll also give you an idea if the Quest Link would work for you as well.
sweet rapids
maybe, I'll think about it. thanks though ^^
lunar shell
I really wish Valve would get the wireless going.
All I hear is they're waiting for 802.11ay or something next year.
But Quest is running on standard 5ghz.
faint skiff
Quest over WiFi also has notable latency and obviously compressed video.
They want the result to be comparable to wired, not a compromise.
lunar shell
True and there's so little info that I'll need to make a choice soon between Vive Pro wireless or wired Index.
broken plover
vive wireless uses 60ghz and I think it was enough. But index has higher res and higher refresh rate. So it makes sense that they should wait for a faster wireless option to develop a wireless adapter
lunar shell
index needs a hack.
broken plover
You could technically use vive pro wireless + index controllers
lunar shell
That's one of my 2 choices.
faint skiff
Oh, for anyone else that has issues with Vive trackers "losing tracking" randomly - don't put the receivers too close together. I kept having my hips drift off (or later as I found out, whichever tracker I paired last) and that's what the cause was. I spaced out the receivers a little and now it's great.
lunar shell
And don't try plugging in your receiver directly into your usb port like I tried
faint skiff
The index is also surprisingly comfy. Even after 6 hours in VR it's absolutely fine.
broken plover
but the vive pro has OLED screens
terse wyvern
how much do you you guys think vr chat gear will go down on blackfriday/cyber monday or yall think it wont go down at all?
meager solstice
oculus will probably have a sale
faint skiff
Rift S may go down SLIGHTLY, I doubt anything else will.
meager solstice
That’s about it
terse wyvern
😦
faint skiff
Valve are still struggling to make Index hardware fast enough so yeah, that's not going down.
meager solstice
Index “could” if valve did it as apart of the holiday sale
lunar shell
There's also lesser knowns like Samsung's or HP
faint skiff
Odyssey+ is apparently quite good.
lunar shell
I'm curoius what 2020 brings us. Anything new?
I think everything came out this year.
faint skiff
Probably nothing really, maybe more Facebook encroachment into your private life, who knows.
meager solstice
So I think the vr market is good headset wise..... we need them to make the games now
Can’t play vrc, beatsaber, no man’s sky forever
muted bronze
@stormchaserguy#9882 new gpus
faint skiff
Indeed. And/or more magic hardware optimisations and GPU tricks to make VR rendering better/faster.
meager solstice
yeah, that would be nice as well
muted bronze
@Wigma#0001 they said assguard is good
faint skiff
You're not @'ing properly btw attq
faint skiff
@meager solstice But arguably you can play Minecraft (Vivecraft) forever, lol
meager solstice
minecraft in vr is bad, just my opinion
faint skiff
Really? I was amazed how well it worked, in that it seemed to work perfectly.
muted bronze
no finger tracking in minecraft
broken plover
stop you're making steve cry
faint skiff
Oh no, Vivecraft.
meager solstice
(only one that was available when i played last)
faint skiff
Vivecraft has been out for like 4 years...
broken plover
yeah bedrock vr is not as good as vivecraft
red current
If i were to get the oculus rift, not the S version, the older version, would I be able to like crouch and stuff, tracking wise? with 2 sensors? im probably gonna get an oculus rift today so i just wanna know what the trackings like
broken plover
if you set the cameras up in a good enough angle
meager solstice
2 sensors can do full room scaling
faint skiff
Yes, that would work fine. I'd highly recommend against an original Rift though.
How much are you getting it for?
broken plover
the og rift is fine if it was cheap enough
faint skiff
Hmm, could probably get a Vive for that. Oh, you could definitely get a Vive for that.
Hell, I'm about to sell my Vive kit with the Deluxe Audio Strap for like £300 (the strap alone is like £70)
red current
my pc isn't the best, i got the gtx 1050 ti, i've heard the vive requires much more
faint skiff
It doesn't. Same requirements as the Rift, arguably less as it doesn't have to do the camera processing.
(the Rift needs a USB3 port per camera AFAIK)
broken plover
unironically, the rift has higher requirements. CPU and GPU are about the same, but rift requires usb3 and 2 extra ports for the cameras. The vive can run fine on usb2
faint skiff
The Vive just needs a single USB2 port.
broken plover
and I'm gonna get a vive for my birthday in january, so I'm saving up to buy the DAS after I get my vive. And in the future I can easily upgrade to FBT and index
red current
Ah, i see. so im better off with a vive then?
faint skiff
Yup. You can use the v1 base stations with everything. I just "upgraded" to the v2 base stations just so I can sell my Vive as a full kit (because no-one wants one without the stations).
And yeah, the Vive has better tracking and lower requirements than the original Rift and it means you can use FBT in future and have a cheaper upgrade route to the Index.
red current
what about if i were to think about the oculus rift s? against the htc vive? sorry for the questions, just want to make sure i'm making the right choice
faint skiff
Rift S has much higher resolution (though not as good blacks as it's LCD not OLED). But rules out decent full body tracking,
red current
alrighty, cheers for the input, but if i got the htc vive i can use trackers im assuming
broken plover
indeed
faint skiff
Yup
and you can swap out for any other kit too, so you can use the Knuckles controllers, etc.
red current
alrighty
muted bronze
index is the only way
faint skiff
Actually I'm not sure the Rift S is actually "much" higher res. It's higher, but it's only a single 2560×1440 panel. The main advantage is has over the OLED screens is that it's RGB rather than Pentile (only 1/2 resolution for 2 of the 3 sub-pixels).
muted bronze
everything else has bad audio
broken plover
The deluxe audio strap has good audio from what I've heard
faint skiff
Well, the Vive with the DAS has good audio, but yeah, everything else has bad audio.
Original Rift was OK, DAS was good, Index is great. Everything else is bad. The Quest is really, really bad, lol.
broken plover
index did what oculus wanted to do with the go, quest and rift s (but better)
faint skiff
It's like someone said "You remember cups and string? That's the acoustic quality I'm thinking of. Also, lets angle the audio outwards instead." when designing the Quest audio.
muted bronze
@Nico Gamez#6690 not better than index
broken plover
all of my rl friends I play vr with, have an oculus. one of them got the earbuds because the old headphones broke. And I ALWAYS hear myself, because they have the headphones too loud so the mic picks up the sound from the headphones
faint skiff
Alternatively, look for a cheap Vive Pro kit, I've seen those going cheap occasionally, that's basically the Vive with DAS v2 and is a nice upgrade over the Vive.
broken plover
ik what the vive pro is lol. before I got my wmr, I already didnt like oculus, so I read and watched alot of vidoes of the vive and vive pro. But they were so expensive back then
faint skiff
I was talking to Captain Price...
still lark
Acktually they're called mentions
broken plover
pings
still lark
this isn't IRC
faint skiff
Wander around populated worlds and talk to people about stuff.
terse wyvern
what if you are generally a shy and quiet person 
faint skiff
Then you're in the position I was in. Wander around and find people talking about something you're interested in, then see if there are times you can chime in with something interesting or a question. Other times you may run into a group of people that pull you in to the conversation anyway or just start talking to you.
broken plover
I'm like that too. I dont really talk to most people in public instances. I forgot how I met most of my friends, but some friends I got by hopping through publics with my real life friend. He just talks to everyone and when he finds a group of people that he can also talk in I stand there too and say some stuff every now and then. So your best option would be to hop through worlds with a friend that has no trouple to talking to people
snow wadi
What are these walls of text?! D:
faint skiff
Another thing is to get an avatar that is either interesting, or represents your interests so you or they have a starting point.
snow wadi
starts reading ._.
terse wyvern
nods
faint skiff
I used to be super shy and didn't speak to anyone at all for like, a week when I first started. Over time I've become more confident. You just get used to the social dynamic after a while, but being confident with yourself in-game helps, especially if you get (or ideally make/import) an avatar you like.
terse wyvern
still visitor mode so no chance to make my own 
faint skiff
Keep in mind that there are some things which will count against you as far as conversations go - using a meme avatar or avatar often seen as annoying will cause people to avoid or possibly even ignore you, so avoid that. That or just an overly weird avatar (unless it's weird in a cool or interesting way).
broken plover
I got a decent amount of friends on my friend list. I just sometimes join some friends and get to know more people. It's easier to start talking to people when you know atleast one person there
faint skiff
You'll get out of visitor pretty quickly, normally within a night or two.
terse wyvern
really? i've been playing for maybe 3 days and im still visitor..i think
faint skiff
How long each session?
When I say "a night" I typically play for like 5 hours a night or so.
lunar cedar
Head pats help a lot with shyness too. They'll make you feel apart of the group even when you're not speaking
Though I suppose that's dependent on your avatar choice
faint skiff
I've actually subconsciously avoided headpatting people I'm not already friends with, because on my first day or two some of the loli police lost their shit over me doing it to someone.
lunar cedar
wat
broken plover
headpat the loli police
lunar cedar
Why would headpats anger the LPD. They're wholesome af
faint skiff
Something about lack of clear prior consent
Then the next night a bunch of them kept trying to arrest me because I didn't have ID to drink in the bar and you need ID because it's America, etc etc
Kinda ignored them since then to be honest.
lunar cedar
I have actually yet to meet an LPD member. I only know they exist because of the memes and the LPD station
faint skiff
They tend to come through the Pug and Cat in waves
broken plover
I met them alot in the pug when everyone had green nameplates
faint skiff
That and that weird nazi army force, but instead of dudes it's cat girls in army clothes.
terse wyvern
lol i think i met a group of that anime girl army group yesterday. they were all pretty nice to me
well nicer then the average public room...i guess which isnt saying too much
faint skiff
@terse wyvern If you can't find any people in the world you're in, just hop to the next instance and have a look around again. Sticking to a world full of weirdness or bad things happening really sours the game. Hopping instances gives you a whole new place to check.
terse wyvern
good idea
i literally just joined like a few nights ago to try it out. that bad thing is i found out my pc is way below specs so i have to hide almost every avatar
lunar cedar
Yea, I second the instance hopping idea
Just make sure everything is closed in the bg and reduce the quality of the desktop mirror
faint skiff
The Pug is one of the worst performing worlds btw, so stick to lighter worlds if you're having issues, e.g. the Black Cat. I think Japan Shrine is likely lighter too.
terse wyvern
ah okay
faint skiff
Make sure you have performance settings set to hide Very Poor avatars by default, that should get you most of your performance back.
lunar cedar
The jinja has been my favorite place to go for a while now. A great scene and great performance
faint skiff
jinja? Is that the shrine world?
faint skiff
The Hwabon maps all run well for me too and are often populated, but careful with the shrine and Hwabon maps as they're often full of far east asian players which obviously isn't much use if you don't speak the language.
lunar cedar
Great place to practice those languages though
terse wyvern
yeah im in the shrine worlds now and its 99% not english lol. rip
faint skiff
It was one of the first worlds I ever went to and I think the first time I ever used my "custom avatar" back when I was first learning Blender. Shield your eyes, for it is painful - https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/610651208767504427/611727889175543808/VRChat_1920x1080_2019-07-03_01-07-40.205.png
pseudo basalt
faint skiff
Improved it a bit since then, if you'll excuse the poor Unity lighting and lack of anti-aliasing... https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/337679085599850499/626853749045854218/unknown.png
@terse wyvern But yeah, unique avatars = immediately stands out, always a good start. Plus you can start working on one now, even if you can't upload it yet. It'll definitely take time.
Though I wouldn't recommend ear fins, people will constantly call you a fish... https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/361742235525709825/609536137358475311/unknown.png
still lark
Technically it's your poor lighting! :P
terse wyvern
Idk if its crashers or what but I crash whenever I go to popular public rooms
umbral reef
What are your pc specs?
terse wyvern
My PC is under specs for vr too though so idk
But I I have everything disabled and avatar performance to show only medium and above
Olddddd cough. Phenom II x4 970
terse wyvern
The thing is my CPU never goes above like 80% usage. But when I crash my disk usage goes to 100% and my pc freezes up for like 5 or 10 minutes
light pivot
well, cpu usage can be misleading; being at 80% doesn't mean your CPU isn't overloaded -- you could have three of four cores completely pegged and one barely doing anything, depends on how the program in question is parallelized
umbral reef
How much ram do you have ?
Also make sure your running on VRlow (hold shift while starting up the game).
Can try disabling most avatars and slowly load them in (or use the optimazation blocker for better results)
terse wyvern
8gb ddr2
ruby needle
Are you sure its ddr2 ?
light pivot
it very well could be, phenom ii supported ddr2 on am2+ and ddr3 on am3
it's a 2010 cpu
ruby needle
ddr2 would be ugh, additionally fo 8gb beeing not much these days
you want at least 12, but more like 16+
terse wyvern
Yeah but I was doing a lot of googling and reading and people with higher specs still get the lags still
light pivot
people get lag, but what you're describing sounds extreme
i wouldn't blame it all on the cpu or ram though
probably some other factors
terse wyvern
Yeah I guess I just can't use vr chat til I upgrade 😭
terse wyvern
No only pc
ruby needle
oh wait, my mistake.
languid beacon
Is there an ETA for 2018 unity on live?
ruby needle
Desktop should run okayish.
umbral reef
Have they even locked down a version?
light pivot
not yet afaik
terse wyvern
Yeah it runs like okay at like 20 or 30 fps if I have all avatars blocked but that defeats the purpose of vr chat kinda right
still lark
Yeah, 2018.4 xd
umbral reef
Then i highly doubt it will be any time soon
frosty fog
Hey I have a question, how do I file a report in vrchat. Some jerk just crashed my whole game and pc
still lark
frosty fog
ty
ruby needle
Open a moderation ticket. all required information is in the channel just linked 
frosty fog
ty
north axle
You can report them in VRC as well, just make sure you know their name.
sour lily
i actually somehow became a user while i was cleaning my keyboard
i was actively talking to someone tho
snow wadi
You got bonus points for cleaning.
vocal shard
Hey does anyone create neptunia avatars?
tacit plank
Extracted a readme on Japanese file mode but it's still an unreadable mess
faint skiff
Hit the auto-translate function in CATS
tacit plank
This is a .txt file, but luckily notepad++ knows that it's supposed to be Japanese somehow
ruby burrow
I mean, would you trust someone with a dirty keyboard?
devout island
What issues are you talking about
molten gale
^
restive compass
^
snow wadi
I'm having an issue of not having a bowl of frosties in front of me. ._.
And porting this model in blender.
sour lily
as a user now i can use custom animations for most people
but i am way too damn lazy to figure out the whole animation thing.
sour lily
as a new user and above yes
weak pier
hmmm
is there any tutorial to show me hoe to upload stuff to vrchat?
I made a 3D model of a building, and I was thinking about adding it
umbral reef
Tried to google it first? Because its pretty hard to not find a tutorial for it
weak pier
most stuff I found was about creating models
umbral reef
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HO-P2OqO1ac could work
weak pier
2 hour tutorial T.T
umbral reef
best is to just read the documenation
weak pier
which documentation?
restive compass
yo
restive compass
might use that
sour lily
how do i politely ask people to pet me in vrc
umbral reef
Walk up to them and stare
sour lily
that doesnt work :<
weak pier
say "please" and "thank you"
sour lily
plus ihave no eyes
umbral reef
You using a cute avatar?
sour lily
no im using csgo sas
umbral reef
Well thats your problem
faint musk
how do u rank up
sour lily
play the game lol
faint musk
ok
sour lily
i ranked up just yesterday by intensely talking to someone while cleaning out my keyboard
faint musk
what rank
sour lily
user
faint musk
oml
sour lily
also apparently my avatar is still huge to people
even though its only like, 7ft :p
it hits requirements and is counted as a "good" ranked avatar
faint musk
how long does it take to get another rank
faint musk
does it take 10 or more hours
faint musk
WOAHHHH
sour lily
blissful wren
wise radish
Welcome gamer
zenith rain
hello to all how is everyone this fine day,bight, evening or morning depending where you are in the world
robust ledge
I’d say I’m pretty good
zenith rain
thats fantastic to hear
faint skiff
@sour lily Most avatars in this game are around 5'4" so 7 foot would be quite tall in comparison
robust ledge
How’s your day been, T?
glad bolt
"Only 7ft"
cowers in 5"2
zenith rain
very goog unfortunately for myself i have a massive headache but that is my doing alone no one elses it happens when you tend to stuff to much information into your noggin
snow wadi
Hmm
robust ledge
Oh, if that’s the case, a nap and some water might help you out.
snow wadi
I weight painted a coat on a model and now her arms look like tentacles...I shall never deal with coats again. : D
zenith rain
my friend I've dealt with more painful things than headache ill make it i am masochist after all so pain is my middle name
robust ledge
I see I see. Well best of luck to ya
zenith rain
i thank you my friend
pure hemlock
Anyone else having issues with friends appearing offline or not getting invites
zenith rain
hmm do you have another way of contacting them to see if they have gotten the invite or if they set there account to such
pure hemlock
Yah I'm talking to them on discord. We were in the same room in vrc and in the room user list it showed the gray offline icon and they were offline in my list lol
faint skiff
@pure hemlock Yeah, happens all the time
Can anyone confirm if there's any way to control which standard Unity shader is used as a fallback for when a shader isn't loaded? (e.g. someone has custom shaders off)
umbral reef
It uses vrc there own selfmade fallback shader. You can give it some info (by having a shader that supports it) but cant make it point to another shader then the normal fallback one
faint skiff
So basically stuck with a broken mess, alright thanks.
faint skiff
Being fluffy/furry helps.
sour lily
but that ruins the fun :<
muted swan
Is Pokimane hot?
sudden grail
Blender doesn't save textures when you save .blend fml
Saved both a blender file and the OBJ and it discards my textures, great job blender.
indigo fern
were you doing texture painting?
indigo fern
ah, sadly it doesnt save it when you save the scene
pseudo basalt
Yeah it's pretty stupid but you need to save that separately
sudden grail
I'm not redoing it, I'm binning the model and uninstalling vrchat.
pseudo basalt
I mean, it's not stupid that you have to save it separately, it's stupid that it discards it
shrug
indigo fern
yea, it'll just put a silly lil asterisk * next to the word image and thats about it
pseudo basalt
Apparently 2.8 does warn you
indigo fern
does it actually?
indigo fern
😲
pseudo basalt
Yeah but it looks like that person is gone
indigo fern
oh, they left the server too
i mean, if they could do that in one sitting of blender it couldnt have been too crazy
pseudo basalt
Can't blame them, if you're new it can feel pretty disheartening
But it's most likely an overreaction and they'll be back
sour lily
totally not shady person
pseudo basalt
Don't see that
sour lily
indigo fern
whoa, ok thats cool
https://i.imgur.com/3reNmQh.png
weary bloom
@still lark @fiery ferry hi
sour lily
and now vrc wont load a world
nothing/nothing is cool
still lark
@weary bloom bye 
sharp cosmos
bro how can you tell what color your name is
sour lily
in your menu when you're not hovering over any menu you can see your profile name and avatar with a color
(this is presuming that you're either on desktop or the menus are the same crossplatform)
you can also see yourself in the social tab, and click on yourself to open your own profile
fiery ferry
@weary bloom 
sour lily
you might also be able to check on site sec
yes you can
the border around your avatar and menu is the color you're ranked at it seems
glad bolt
no u
indigo fern
no me
glad bolt
no us
sonic onyx
Im constantly lossing connctio
rigid crescent
can we uhhhh <@&397642795457970181>
still haven
Bruh... This chick crazy
winged igloo
Hi there, can we cool it
still haven
Bruh Im just here to meet new frens... @rigid crescent hewwo
Well I came in here, and the first thing I get is someone talking about death... jeez
desert stratus
dont worry, this discord is generally a lot nicer
winged igloo
Also this channel is for specifically VRChat related conversation, if you want to talk about other unrelated stuff I'd recommend using the other channels
desert stratus
bad timing as normal. ykno, like everyday. speaking of vrchat, are there good halloween worlds out yet?
winged igloo
There's a whole section in the world menu 😄
still haven
sends the spoopiest of pics
desert stratus
okay, im asking if the unity store assets are gone from the first 5 in that section lmao
still haven
crys in Jared Leto circa 2005
winged igloo
@vocal shard Keep it relevant or I'll have to mute you
vestal pier
😒
indigo fern
at least do that in random chat
uncut wind
@winged igloo can you help me
winged igloo
With what?
uncut wind
vrchat
winged igloo
What do you need help with in VRChat tho? lol
desert stratus
i can help too, whats wrong with your game
uncut wind
i was banned but my unban time has just been over with and its still not letting me join public worlds
vast tulip
how long over?
uncut wind
5 mins
desert stratus
hey can i rant about something vrc related and hijack the chat for a moment?
uncut wind
darnet i was hoping to play vrchat tonight
desert stratus
what's up with people using PC assets for a VR game
vestal pier
Whats wrong with using PC assets for a VR game?
winged igloo
You'll probably just need to wait an hour or so
faint skiff
"PC assets"?
uncut wind
and one more thing about how long are you saying will it take for it to update
vestal pier
I assume they mean video game ready assets for PC games?
desert stratus
i get that like the glory of vrc's creative system is that you can kitbash and import anything you want as long as you can find it, without necessarily maki ng it yourself
im talking about assets that werent msde for ve
vast tulip
@uncut wind I dont know how it works, but, make sure you restart vrchat fully
desert stratus
vr*, things like textures especoally
winged igloo
idk for sure, give it an hour, if it's not fixed after an hour, contact moderation@vrchat.com
faint skiff
I mean a VR model isn't any different than a non-VR model...
vestal pier
I mean MMD stuff isnt even made for video games, they are animation assets - thats the real problem
desert stratus
that look fine in the editor but then in vr you can really make out the individual pixels
vestal pier
because animation is so different in terms of workflow to game asset optimisation
desert stratus
things like that where the scale of things isnt considered properly
vestal pier
It comes down to optimisation mostly, vg assets are in a good area where they are "good enough"
desert stratus
that bothers me a lot, but i cant really complain since theres not as many vr-proper assets / textures as there are first or third person assets / textures
winged igloo
Accessibility of assets is one of the main things for a lot of people when it comes to world creation
uncut wind
its working now
winged igloo
Noice
desert stratus
at the very least i see that its possible for talented creators both in and out of the game to push quality texturea, detailing, modeling, and some sense of scale for VR users
vestal pier
What game assets sparked this thought?
alot of stuff in vrchat are just indie game placeholder art
desert stratus
a ton of vrc worlds but mainly the halloween ones
desert stratus
like theyre nice, even the ones that are so obviously unity asset store kitbashes
but the thing is like even then those assets were not made for vr. so you get textures and normals so low res in-game that it feels like im staring at plastic rather than the walls of a cave in some instances
Yeah, its more something i lament about the growing vr community as a whole. when i get better at 3d modeling im most likely just gonna start putting out better assets for free myself
indigo fern
there are plenty of high quality assets out there freely available
vestal pier
VR textures arent a thing, the workflow is currently identical to pancake vg assets. Just models need more detail.
winged igloo
Maybe you could be the one that goes out there and makes a lot of those high-quality assets people need
desert stratus
isnt that laggy as hell? thats another challenge that interests me
indigo fern
ye, its the same assets, we just see them extremely up close
vestal pier
Thats what i said Solar, optimisation is main the answer to your query.
desert stratus
at leats in a normal vr video game you can consider and control every part of it. but then, what do you do in the case of someone using a tiny avatar? things like that
undone sierra
When is VR chat gonna support RTX lighting
vestal pier
Not anytime soon :-)
indigo fern
probably never
desert stratus
i guess one reoccurring theme i see in a lot of professional vr games or worlds is that people model a lot more details over texturing them, which goes a looong way. its a bit cramping on style i guess, but i could see myself texturing distant objects and heavily modeling / flat coloring close ones
indigo fern
by the time it can, the gimmick will be gone
vestal pier
Its not a gimmick, its genuinely the way lighting engines should be headed.
undone sierra
I actually wouldnt be surprised if we had RTX support for VR in 15 years.
vestal pier
Then again every evolution in tech is a gimmick these days, right? ;-)
faint skiff
That sort of thing is difficult with VR chat due to the limitations in what can be uploaded, filesizes, etc. 300MB worlds are already bad enough and those still aren't really that detailed compared to what you're saying.
vestal pier
RTX Will be supported in VR in the next 5 years, not 15
indigo fern
some worlds are just poorly optimized too, like blank places with huge file sizes
desert stratus
wasnt ray tracing supposed to be the difficult rendering option?
desert stratus
yeah, thats more incredible than anything. rtx kind of blows my mind, though live ray tracing is still in its infancy ofc
vestal pier
I mean current GPU's already are
its down to software to implement it, and even pancake games arent doing that.
desert stratus
i mean if foveated rendering or whatever solution comes forward first then we dont even have to worry about gpu strength too hard
lunar cedar
That's not entirely true. RTX eats up a fair chunk of resources no matter how you implement it.
desert stratus
im also betting on that taking 5 years
vestal pier
Foveated rendering is talked about as this saving grace, in reality its just another optimisation trick that will save you a frame or two
desert stratus
well at the very least we can now ray trace convincingly at 60fps no? I dont own an rtx card so someone is going to have to answer or disagree for me >~<
vestal pier
Im not saying it doesnt Jak, im just saying its currently already possible.
desert stratus
a frame or two? i think we can give it a bit more credit than that
vestal pier
Its literally just downscaling some odd pixels, its been done in pancake games for years and its frame benefits are negligible
downscaling isnt the right word
lunar cedar
I thought you were mean it's possible with VR. I don't think requiring dual rtx 2080 ti's counts as possible 😛
desert stratus
why not? i dont know too much about rendering but i do know that the difference between like 1080 and 1440 is fairly large when it comes to processing power
vestal pier
I dont think its that extreme of a case Jak.
lunar cedar
To run 90hz at 1600x2880, it probably would be
vestal pier
Its sad that the only real vr raytracing product out there right now is minecraft and its not even official
i cant find much more on the topic
lunar cedar
Do you mean RISC-V kyoho? ARM has been around for something like 30 years and is very much an iterative design.
desert stratus
wasnt ARM originally supposed to be "specialized" or whatever in comparison to x86? sorry i dont know a whole lot about processor architecture but i want to know
all i know is that ARM is mobile and x86 is like, desktops and laptops and what not
lunar cedar
x86 is definitely less efficient and more bloaty than ARM, but it still reigns king for maximum performance. ARM just beats it with power efficiency (an important fact for mobile devices).
desert stratus
so then why could it surpass x86?
lunar cedar
That depends on how you define surpass
vestal pier
or in which subject
lunar cedar
It's going into more performance-hungry devices now because it's potential performance has increased greatly with A64. Yet it still has great power efficiency. That's why laptops are starting to use them more often
desert stratus
fun stuffs
its cool to see tech move forward as a 17 year old cuz im pretty much a bapy standing next to these people going off about how great CRTs were and how oracle needs to die already and what not
and its just like, these massive fucking chaanges are apparently something that is just going to always be happening. all the way in 2019, even if i dont quite get it
im all for power efficiency moving forward as someone who sleeps in vr and destroys my family's electric bill
lunar cedar
Pixel response time is literally nil iirc
indigo fern
CRT
FPaul: 👀
ruby needle
well, there is a latency depending on what you go by
desert stratus
yeah I was waiting for fpaul to comment lmao
ruby needle
first pixel literally none, last pixel, depending on rate 16ms
so average 8ms middle of the screen
but thats it
every screen is different
lunar cedar
The "cheap" CRT I had back in the day was 160Hz 480p
ruby needle
that had more inplut lag than
cus in order to redraw the image multiple times it needs to buffer it
thats why you never ever should pickup anything than a native 50/60hz crt for gaming
lunar cedar
I played WoW on it, so I wouldn't have noticed
ruby needle
if we're talking about a PC CRT than it was propably 80hz double drawn
allthough 80hz should allrady be quick enogh in terms of flicker. Most are fine with 60 even, only our PAL 50 where really noticeable
thing is
native a PC monitor is likely faster these days
but the point that you come from an analogue signal
lunar cedar
It was a 160Hz x 120Hz 640 x 480
ruby needle
that needs to be digitized, than it needs to be deinterlaced since digital panels dont work interlaced
and thant it needs to be scaled
and that is where all the time issues come from
and why it often looks like garbage
lunar cedar
Yep, I can confirm it looked like garbage
ruby needle
160Hz x120Hz tho?
i dunno what you're meaning by that
no
as much as you need
but dont just dump shit without efford
and if you dont use it maybe delete old stuff
lunar cedar
maybe it was 90hz vertical. I don't really remember the smaller number tbh
desert stratus
pro tips: upload whatever the hell you want. dont upload whatecer the hell you want as public
lunar cedar
I do know it was two separate rates
desert stratus
also dont break creator TOS like a true 
ruby needle
there is 2 rates indeed
one beeing the actual refresh rate which you'd basically translate to frames
the other more ore less to possible resolution
CRT TV's 15Khz
PC CRT's typically 35Khz (+)
something like that
doesnt matter, 
lunar cedar
I've forgotten most everything from that age. Definitely don't remember that number. Maybe I can find my old monitor somewhere
ruby needle
anyway, bed time for me.
Pls make sure to get this topic back to VRChat relation form this CRT talk now tho
lunar cedar
Last comment. Found it, was 160Hz x 70kHz
vocal shard
vrchat is awesome, idk how i only just discovered it
lunar cedar
Are you new to VR?
vocal shard
To vrchat yep, I have yet to get a vr headset because of game support but now it’s more tempting
Did anyone else get a Dm from a VRC bot? I'm not sure if it's real or not and was wondering if it is safe.
me too when joining
I think it’s normal
If it's the welcome one I had something different.
what did it say?
It's some vr player count bot, keeps wanting me to use it.
oh yeah that’s strange, I didn’t get that also
molten gale
oi
still lark
Just right click the bot on the right and hit message
lunar cedar
Sounds like it might be lonely
vocal shard
It's a different bot but has the same name.
And is showing the wrong number of players.
still lark
Sounds pretty sus to me
vocal shard
That's what I'm wondering, if it's malicious or not.
probably is since there’s one bot in here it looks like
None of the other vrc discords I'm in have it.
I'd post a pic of it but can't here.
languid igloo
Anyone's vrc sdk uploading slow rn?
vocal shard
Mine seems fine.
willow gale
👀
delicate cypress
👀
signal wren
Everything seems slow I can't even log in to vrchat. 👀
covert blade
@vocal shard wait what
👀
I guess with my double name it was only a matter of time to meet someone with the same name
willow gale
If anyone here want to play just dm me 
glad bolt
I was honestly betting a Mason would show first.
cold talon
Yeah, me too
ivory axle
I want to get fullbody but I dont know how to convince my parents, are there any wholesome things i can do with fullbody or any other games that use the pucks? My parents know full well that im quite lewd so i need to convince them somehow
faint skiff
@desert stratus I'm dreading foveated rendering. It can't know where you're going to look before you look there, so there'll be latency before the area you look at becomes the correct resolution. I can see that causing headaches quite easily just like temporal anti-aliasing does in games like Fallout 4 (where the screen looks fuzzy until you stop and then it sharpens, every single time you move).
cold talon
bentspoon
ivory axle
@cold talon im being honest ;-;
cold talon
Get into motion cap and professional animation ez
next cypress
Damn, beat saber costs a lot.
faint skiff
@ivory axle Sword and Sorcerery uses it too for kicking
next cypress
Pretty good game huh
ivory axle
@faint skiff thanks ill buy that game then
ivory axle
@cold talon u come up with a good reason then
cold talon
I did 
ivory axle
What was it
cold talon
☝
ivory axle
yeah like id get into a new industry just to get fbt
cold talon
Well, I mean, that's what i dould have to do to convince my parents
lunar cedar
It works. That's how I justified it to myself
vocal shard
or
heres an idea
work and then buy it bc you're an adult 😄
unless you aren't
¯_(ツ)_/¯
ivory axle
Im 17 but i can afford it
When i turn 18 ill just buy it and tell me parents to piss off
worldly notch
I’ll try signing up on pc
hollow sluice
@ivory axle about the full body
Well. The Best use for them that I can thino of is dancing in beat saber
covert blade
They also work in Blade & Sorcery
hollow sluice
True
wicked mirage
ivory axle
@steel skiff yeah no you dont know the whole story
faint skiff
@steel skiff But what if they don't?
ivory axle
^
faint skiff
Gather evidence then email the support team via #moderation-reports
steel skiff
Damn dude calm
ivory axle
Lmao we are calm
terse wyvern
what does gather evidence mean? like i have to have video proof?
errant hare
aye
You pretty much have to either record everything you do in game or start recording just before you expect someone to use crashing avatar for example and have the person recorded.
terse wyvern
so basically there is nothing i can do unless it's recorded
faint skiff
Basically. That's why they are so rampant.
There's no in-game moderation staff and they rely on user reports with almost impossibly high standards. The result is that hacking and malicious content is rife.
errant hare
The person may still get banned if many people report them, right?
faint skiff
In game reporting does absolutely nothing AFAIK.
errant hare
ugh
terse wyvern
that is just...im speechless.
still lark
@faint skiff It does actually do stuff, I've personally seen proof.
errant hare
Well if you visit the popular worlds like Pug, Box or Murder then you gonna have to deal with this
faint skiff
Welcome to VRChat. Safety settings are to your right, I'd also recommend taking a gander at this https://docs.vrchat.com/docs/avatar-particle-system-limits
Disabling "Custom Animations" on everyone except for friends also disables 99.9% of annoying and/or malicious content.
still lark
Animations
faint skiff
Thanks
terse wyvern
idk what they did but i don't think it wasn't a particle thing. they crashed only me and my vr chat cause i muted them because they were being racist on mic
ivory axle
Some people have anti-safety clients.
Which means it doesnt matter if you hav it hidden or not so yeah RIP
faint skiff
Anti-safety clients won't bypass the config override for particles though, so worth making that change.
It'll make the particle guns useless as it'll bring the generated quantity down to a safe level.
vocal shard
idk why some people are such asses lol
terse wyvern
i have all the particles disabled
ivory axle
Ive met some crashers and the majority or really nice they just use it to people who deserve it like pedophiles
faint skiff
People commit genocide, it's not a stretch to assume that users with anonymity in an online game would act like cunts when given the opportunity.
ivory axle
But there are the few who just abuse it because they are sensitive little snowflakes
still lark
Ah yes, the vigilante method.
faint skiff
@ivory axle That's normally just a white-knight style excuse for having the crasher in the first place.
ivory axle
Well none of them have tried anything with me so idk then
pseudo basalt
Just get someone to crash the crashers forehead
ivory axle
monka
terse wyvern
then it would just be a crash war with casualties on both sides. seems like a great idea if the goal was to make everyone never want to join public rooms already which i have read most people already do not go to public anymore
faint skiff
Calm down Rorschach
Nah, public worlds are fine as long as you keep custom animations off and have that particle limiter in place. I spend nearly 5 hours a night in busy public worlds and haven't had issues for some time now.
ivory axle
^ except for the odd memory leak
faint skiff
The worst thing you get is occasionally an edgy child (almost always a visitor, rarely a new user, normally a crap avatar) running up to you and screaming "ni**er" at you until you mute them.
errant hare
lol
terse wyvern
5 hours a night, wow.
ivory axle
That happened yesterday for me actually
faint skiff
And yeah. Memory leaks are an issue if you hop worlds a lot. If you stick to the same world, you'll be fine. If you've hopped more than 10 times, consider closing and reopening the game.
ivory axle
I my normal sessions on grchat are usually atleast 7 hours
terse wyvern
you dont ever get crashed by just muting those people? cause they can see when u mute them right?
ivory axle
@faint skiff the thing is i stay on one world for a while and it still happens
faint skiff
Depends on what's happening, if someone's trying to be funny but is just annoying, I'll mute them. If they're just being massively racist or an asshole, I'll block them.
ivory axle
You just have safety settings on and pray @terse wyvern
faint skiff
So in the case of "run up and say bad things" it's an immediate block given that I can't imagine that person ever having a worthwhile interaction.
Plus if enough people block them, they'll be auto muted, saving future people the effort of having to block them too.
errant hare
Must have just recently crawled out from under a rock
boreal ether
rip vrc?
vocal shard
yep its down
hallow heart
I just had a connection timed out yet I was in a room with friends!!!
ivory axle
!online
faint skiff
But yeah, I can't remember the last time I was crashed out by someone. Also the other thing is knowing which groups to approach, to save wasting your time with people that are likely to be hostile from the get-go.
floral flaxBOT
There are 5607 users in VRChat currently
boreal ether
big yikes
terse wyvern
thanos snapped
plain sand
damn was a bout to make a friend
floral flaxBOT
There are 4809 users in VRChat currently
terse wyvern
@plain sand we can be friends xD
floral flaxBOT
There are 5082 users in VRChat currently
hallow heart
eh?
terse wyvern
im trying to reconnect but i cant :L
vocal shard
its down
plain sand
well my new friend was like "are u gonna be on later? what time is it for you in there?" Me: "It's 8:26..." BOOM DISCONNECTED.
now he wouldn't know if it's AM or PM
zenith oriole
!online
floral flaxBOT
There are 5092 users in VRChat currently
plain sand
😂
terse wyvern
@plain sand big Oof.
wooden quarry
guess thats enough vrchat for the day
zenith oriole
!online
floral flaxBOT
There are 4793 users in VRChat currently
plain sand
well he got to add me anyway which is cool
faint skiff
@plain sand They may not even be in the same timezone...
viscid juniper
thanos snapt hes finger
plain sand
i kniow i didnt atleast say if it's PM or AM because VR chat downed XD
terse wyvern
@plain sand u should be good then 🙂
vocal shard
thanos yeet
hallow heart
I got a black screen when I reopend vrc
plain sand
yes cuz it's down 😢
vocal shard
gonna go play beat saber then
plain sand
it's back
vocal shard
yeah, seems to be recovering slowly http://xor.meo.ws/58b0b7c0/49c0/424e/9acb/67bb3102645e.png
mighty cradle
@stuck tusk I've heard all I need to hear. If you did know about them, then you would not be missing very elementary things on their basic function. Do check the links.
static crow
im looking for someone but only shows like 9
mighty cradle
Including, but not limited to, what the word "modem" even means. Modulate and demodulate, yet not, in the same sentence. A phone line requires modulation and demodulation, that is, a modem, to be used for any sort of digital communication, internet connections included. The fact you are missing this tells me that you know far less than you let on. Let me refer you to a handy graph: https://catalogofbias.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2018/03/dk-effect.png
Let's not mention the incredibly bold move that is you claiming I do not know what I am talking about in my very field of expertise, and quiz me on the age to attempt to put me down. This is not relevant; if I can know this as a teenager, then that tells me you either haven't done your homework, or that you're far too confident in yourself to even consider the possibility that your knowledge is incomplete. Or, you'd rather have your special other, your age, tell you because "youngsters don't know their stuff". Herein lies the issue: I do know my stuff, and evidence given, and words heard, you very obviously do not.
near sky
faint skiff
When did the other half of this conversation happen?
vocal shard
I've been wondering the same
tawny ore
Same
slow halo
Ditto
mighty cradle
Elsewhere, elsewhen.
vocal shard
Seems to have happened a few hours ago
tawny ore
Damn, I feel like ive missed out on some juicy burns
faint skiff
If it was elsewhere, why continue it here? Seems like an odd choice.
mighty cradle
Some punks are a little daft.
faint skiff
Hah, Daft Punk.
tawny ore
Word punks used, you're from the states
vocal shard
DMs seem like they'd be a better place to rat out than here
near sky
mighty cradle
not from the states
faint skiff
Work in IT, all-day is angrytime
tawny ore
I am inclined to agree
Just had a p1 issue raised ... For a report that wouldn't export.
mighty cradle
So you're telling me the US should be deporting reports?
tawny ore
You made 1% sense
mighty cradle
When I have been awake for less than 180 minutes, this tends to happen
mighty cradle
I call it accurate
If you need a better explanation of where: Somewhere on the high frequencies of the internet's multi-GHz switching backplanes.
About those high frequencies
tawny ore
Sounds too frequent for my tastes... I'll stick to pretending I know computing stuff.
umbral reef
Just because im nosy and want to know stuff. What did the fella claim and what has the multy GHZ switching to do with what you wrote earlier
mighty cradle
Multi-GHZ switching refers to the speed of the controllers responsible for routing the internet's traffic on its way from source to destination and reverse.
Infiniband and 10GBASE both have working frquencies well above the gigahertz mark.
umbral reef
I know what it means, atleast good enough to survive and not get drowned by the big words on topics
mighty cradle
tl;dr of the entire discussion: I am educated in networking, both by college education and hobby, and this person was claiming their old 80s machine was good enough to connect to the internet via phone line, without modulating and demodulating the audio signal... yet at the same time, claimed that they did the previous. Not using a modem, yet both MOdulating and DEModulating a signal over a landline to connect to the internet
Problem being: I know exactly how her computer did it, and... it was a modem. Just in expansion card form; and, for the 80s, this is bound to be an ISA card
umbral reef
Owkay understandable why you popped off then as thats a plain retarded claim from them
mighty cradle
"I know about modems", yet she is missing crucially elementary pieces of information on their literal fundamentals.
And then claimed "I had not heard a word of what they said", with the exception that her literal argument was "My computer was so good I didn't need a modem"
I then dropped a massive wad of evidence on their head; "I know about modems, you haven't heard a word of what I said, end of story", cue the dunning kruger gaph above.
lunar cedar
Lots of people make such broad claims about their tech knowledge it seems. It's fun when it comes into my area of knowledge
mighty cradle
And just because they refused to believe me, I included a 1964 acoustically coupled modem literally MOdulating RS232 to analog signals over phone line, and DEModulating signals coming back to RS232.
It's almost like a doctor tyring to argue against anti vaccination folks.
umbral reef
@lunar cedar Thats why i educate myself just good enough to know when i dont understand jack shit about a topic
But enough to say 'yea but thats a big bullshit claim'
And then i just seem smart
mighty cradle
The above videos literally demonstrate the fundamental principles of a modem.
And I am not using literally wrong here, either.
slim temple
oh jesus I missed some sweet technical knowledge burns
slim temple
I too miss the bonging of my 56k flex.
mighty cradle
I've wanted to construct a Bell 101 replica for a while now.
Issue being, every piece of anything that used it was a private network.
umbral reef
Owmy thats an actually handy photo. time to yoink that
slim temple
or even better, my effing huge Boca research labs se 1440 combo modem sound card. That thing was so dope. The length of a full 104key keyboard almost, but because it was a sound card, you could pipe crystal clear audio to the rj11 interfaces (there was two) and just talk to people without a telephone
mighty cradle
And hope that AT&T is willing to divulge some info for hisrotical reasons.
mighty cradle
EISA was server stuff.
slim temple
yep
mighty cradle
Do you remember VESA?
Remember the absolute fucking hell it was to get those fuckers working on one particular board?
Yeah, I have a '94 Matrox with that connector.
I fear for my sanity when I find a VESA board.
slim temple
when I hear vesa I immediately jump to the video support standard
umbral reef
might be worth moving to #general-media
slim temple
good point
slow halo
Goddamn this chat got real
I'm here expecting talking about foxgirls and just how fluffy the tail is
static crow
ikr
glad bolt
Jeez.
vocal shard
Single sad boi that just wants to be loved here hello
I love u
Liez
it’s the truth man
faint skiff
Was all they said "I don't need a modem"? Because if so, this entire tirade may have been the largest, most unnecessary over-response I have ever seen in my life, lol.
topaz lynx
So do you guys think the VRChat dev team will open up a Japan branch in the future for Japanese developers to work on the game in the future or something?
snow wadi
I mean technically they already are working on VRC, the SDK is international after all.
rigid crescent
theyd just be doing the same stuff
vocal shard
Does anyone know where I can find some plane Avatar's like jets ?
proud zinc
Where can I find a voice group chat ?
Since my requirements don't allow me to play the game.
vocal shard
There is no voice chat here
slate verge
no voice group chat in this server, might have to find that elsewhere
flint rose
Question! Does vrchat have any roleplay communities?
rigid crescent
tons
flint rose
Where I find them
rigid crescent
From improv to "professional", all levels of it really
Dunno actually, there might be a discord in #community-servers-old
they're mostly "know a guy" community servers tho
flint rose
Ahh
plucky brook
I like playing vrchat.
pure hemlock
lies
vocal shard
Hey evolved ^^
plucky brook
Hello
indigo fern
I just like laying infront of a mirror
desert stratus
pfft, who actually likes playing vrchat? i 100% do not play this loser game for losers and have never even installed it before >u>
plucky brook
I like that we can make custom content, and meet new people.
plucky brook
If I see you online, will you say hello to me
pure hemlock
i will plead for help in escaping vrchat
desert stratus
you can just say hello to me right here because i will never play this game ayy yuhh
plucky brook
Oh, I didn't know they added escape room worlds to vrchat
desert stratus
escape rooms in vrchat are cool
restive compass
If anyone wants to join I'm playing a game with some people at:
Never Have I Ever - Game World #89438
(We're playing a different game at the back of the world)
plucky brook
One time I was hanging out in real life with a bunch of friends that play vrchat, and I was trying to get everyone's attention so we could all leave to get dinner out. But everyone would not pay attention to me, they were all having their own conversations.
Then I had an idea.... I yelled out "portal!", and just like that everyone went silent and was paying attention, and I think someone came running out of the bathroom too.
restive compass
lol?
vocal shard
XD
desert stratus
heY man im Dropping a portal
vocal shard
When VRChat takes over your life
restive compass
Well then
True Story.
I talked with a couple who got legally married in VRChat
desert stratus
"yo guys there's a portal! go!"
everyone else watching the sinkhole form out on the road:
restive compass
Chat Goes Silent....
desert stratus
bluh, vr relationships are cool when they work
restive compass
agreed
desert stratus
but thats a given for a relationship in any context/medium so whatever
plucky brook
How does a message only 120 seconds old, indicate the chat went silent
restive compass
Yeah @desert stratus
plucky brook
Hmmm... sometimes a relationship gets in the way even when it works... like when I'm writing some SQL to update the database structure, but I have to remove and recreate relationships first
pure hemlock
Yah most relatively chill groups of people stay in privates/friends+ now-a-days. Publics are for children, memers, and new players.
sour lily
tbh though like in vrc i join big servers then get drowned out by all the adhd people that have their friends nad lovers and shit but i get anxiety trying to conversation in a very small server and there's no in between
plus im not in vr thus interaction is harder since i cant hands
restive compass
Nah man, I just played a game with like 10+ random people I met
plucky brook
Kyoho, it's not cliques, its friends hanging out just like in real life. You hang out at a friends house... that's private. If you want to join, you only need to ask. But there are plenty of people to meet in public, and of course there are risks there, just like real life.
sour lily
ngl i'd do the whole fbt without a vr headset thats how weird i am :p
night depot
looks at everyone fiddling with scissors
restive compass
?-?
ivory axle
I bought vr for interaction
restive compass
I need another 200 Shekels to buy the Oculus Rift S
ivory axle
I need another 300 for fbt
sour lily
i need like
restive compass
I need sleep, so cya'll later!
ivory axle
Bye
pure hemlock
You can meet lots of new people still, just generally it's hard to find people worth meetings unless you find your way into some friend groups.
plucky brook
I was one of the first people to play vrchat, back in 2014, so I've seen all the changes. I meet cool people all the time, you just have to use the safety features to protect yourself from all the toxic avatars in public instances, and then roam around. People like to claim you can't find decent people, but I've found that it's easy if you are patient, and know how to communicate with people, how to entertain, and network. Not every day you will find someone, but most days you will if you spend 2 hours or so playing. Yes, those friends will often invite you to private to play games, etc, but that's natural. Also, be prepared for people to be romantic with each other in many cases as well, if it really has been 3 years since you last played. Relationships in vr are no longer taboo like they were prior to 2017
When you return you'll see a safety features menu item in the quick menu. It will be your life line in public instances.
minor whale
Hello
desert stratus
heres the top tier guide to vrc public worlds:
not the box or open mic night
great pug sometimes
there, now you can go to vrchat public worlds
desert stratus
in all seriousness every lobby is hit or miss and comes with different ups and downs, but i heavily reccommend against the box and open mic night anyway since for whatever reason a lot of crashers and just really rude people hang out in there anyway
desert stratus
but its not that bad, i've ran into worse in friends+ worlds so shrug
indigo fern
sounds like youll make plenty new friends then
ruby burrow
Box has got to be the worst for it.
Also a pretty pointless world. Was made under the premise of being lag free, but is a big open space with zero walls for occlusion culling, and a giant mirror that pretty much ensures you're rendering 90% of those 500 dy-bone avatars 100% of the time.
indigo fern
thats why its pretty dead now
people realized better looking places have better frames
ruby burrow
Any world that's not too outlandish, and has a few barriers to space out crowds will generally run better.
vocal shard
When all these "lag free" worlds started popping up
Someone wanna call on dm's?
Plz dm me if you're a chill person and wanna talk
undone sierra
Turns out I'm labeled Newuser lol RIP
ruby burrow
Even the Pug that people love to complain about. I've been in a friends+ Pug instance that contained the majority of Team-5 once. The user count was close to the hard cap (double the maps shown cap).
If I went down stairs where the famous people were, my game borderline crashed and would lock me in a loading screen.
But when I went just up to the more empty middle floor, it recovered and I could move and talk to people again.
If that gathering had occurred in the box, there'd be no escaping it.
vocal shard
@undone sierra I think it only started counting trust score mid 2018
When they first added the thing where new account couldn't upload
indigo fern
it was announced 21st night of September, easy way to remember
ruby burrow
I've had that song/line stuck in my head ever since September this year. <_>
I work in a store, and have to check sell by/use by dates every day.
indigo fern
LMAO
ruby burrow
And my brain just won't let it die.
undone sierra
is VRchat home a small home unique to each user? It's certainly new
vocal shard
Instead of loading into a hub, you load into your private home. You can also make any world your home world
ruby burrow
Me checking the milk...
Brain: "Do you remember~ The four-ur-teenth of October?"
Rest of my brain: "Please stahp!"
languid beacon
Of sep tem bah
languid beacon
Do you remembah (do do do da doo)
The seventeenth night of oct toe bah
analog hull
ahm, whats the version of the unity right now used by the sdk? cause im using 2017.4.28f1 and im getting 14 red errors
stiff sparrow
fix them 👺
analog hull
bright salmon
My name jeff
vernal forge
and his name is John Cena
noble gust
Here comes Randy Orton, slithering
vocal shard
R K O
tall portal
algum br?
floral bluff
!online
floral flaxBOT
There are 6598 users in VRChat currently
vocal shard
hey uhm, so i'm having issues rn with vrchat ;-;
undone sierra
With the VR trackers, how many is recommended, is it one per foot and one for waist?
vocal shard
Yeah
undone sierra
its crazy they are still going for $100 each. Even used
vocal shard
Mhmm. I don't think they were priced with the intent to buy three for fbt, but HTC kept the price up because people were buying them
twin fractal
I just want some form of tracking. doesn't have to be perfect 🙃
ivory axle
@undone sierra i saw someone sell 3 for 150
I dont have htc tho so no point in me buying it
glad bolt
Curious as to what the font type is for nameplates.
slate verge
i actually searched vrchat font awhile back