I now want to get fbt but not with a hybrid setup
#vrchat-general-2
ivory axle
ivory axle
Hybrid is more expensive.
vocal shard
Just drive trucks dude
I notice the screen pixel layout seems different. Like wmr screens had the pixels staggered, while the rift S is more of a grid
ivory axle
Wow im 17 yEaH eAsY
vocal shard
Oof
snow wadi
Out of all the WMR headsets, Lenovo Explorer had the most comfortable headset.
vocal shard
Rift s is beautiful with supersampling up
Still use my Lenovo and sold my Rift CV1. It got more use from me
snow wadi
I tried the Acer and HP and they were horrid.
HP especially, it was like wearing a tank.
vocal shard
Yeah people knocked on wmr but the Lenovo was a great headset
snow wadi
I passed my explorer down to a friend who never tried VR when I got my Rift S.
vocal shard
But after using the Rift S for a little while, I really miss those lenses. They're so clear and the sweet spot is great.
I wish they still sold them they'd be so cheap
snow wadi
I'll be honest, the sweet spot on rift s was FAR better than the explorer.
snow wadi
MHm D:
vocal shard
I didn't notice it before because from the CV1 and vive to the explorer, the resolution made up for the edge blur, but comparing the S to the Lenovo, it's night and day how much the S improved the lenses.
snow wadi
Also lenovo was the only WMR that actually had the least trouble with tracking.
Makes sense why they got on board for Rift S.
vocal shard
Hmm... Tracking should be identical. Atleast for me. The HP, my brothers Acer, my lenovo, and the Odyssey+ tracked pretty similar. (Odyssey+ was the best because of built in Bluetooth)
broken plover
I have my PC in a shelf and the shelf wall is pointing directly to my playspace. Not the ideal setup ik
snow wadi
The logic board is the same but the software was different in terms of it's tracking, the last firmware update actually improved the tracking.
broken plover
because the shelf wall kind of blocks my bluetooth dongle
vocal shard
Because the tracking hardware and software were from Microsoft. That's why the HP Reverb still only has two cameras. They said they can't change that because it's Microsoft's design
Ah
Yike
Design by committee
snow wadi
That update also enable the flashlight feature, where you point with your controller and within the circle the real world is shown by the cameras.
vocal shard
Dude the pass through on rift s is crazy
Mhmm. Yeah that's a nice feature
They use neutral network magic to make the image look like the same depth etc as youd see through your eyes
You can see it deform around your hand and stuff
broken plover
I broke my first wmr because of the flip up design. So now with my replacement wmr I never ever use the flip up, because I dont want the headset to break off the headstrap again
vocal shard
And you see you controllers irl and in the headset are in the same place
snow wadi
That's because it's actually 4 images "stitched" together.
broken plover
and thats where the passthrough comes in handy.
vocal shard
Yeah, I never flip up my wmr
Because if that
Can literally light up a cigarette without taking it off
Or grab for drinks
snow wadi
I did @vocal shard and...it costed me the cable after 20 flips.
vocal shard
Oof
snow wadi
You'd think they would expect the user to flip occasionally.
snow wadi
To be fair, the flimsiest part in ALL HMDs are the cables.
broken plover
If I wouldnt have the warranty for my headset, I would have bought a vive DAS and put it on my headset. So when I get a vive I could put the DAS on it
snow wadi
Especially the one in the headset.
vocal shard
I actually had a das on my Lenovo for a few months. Eventually I reverted it because it was hard to make it stay secure with just Velcro
vocal shard
You can remove the headstrap on the Rift S
snow wadi
Why would I though?
vocal shard
To attach a Vive DAS to it 
snow wadi
It's actually keeping my headset from flinging around.
Oh, no the 3rd party one doesn't need to remove the strap.
broken plover
some people try to put a DAS on (almost) every headset xD
why would you want a big headstrap for the oculus go (for example)? Isnt it supposed to be portable and compact?
vocal shard
Mhmm... Although the DAS on the quest makes sense since its so front heavy
Anyway... I'm heading to bed. Nice chatting with you all 
The bad thing about the Lenovo is you could tighten it by pulling the cable and it can become a bad habit
Until you're rebooting over and over until it decides to start
molten gale
I really want the slime shader for a halloween avatar
Im not good with blender and unity or am creative so I cant make myself something interesting qwq
snow wadi
My modeler is making a slime girl for a commission, they used a shader that actually gloops and droops.
Pretty funky.
molten gale
The shader I want is a patreon exclusive...
vocal shard
anyone else getting connection timed out pretty frequently ?
slow halo
@snow wadi that sounds spooky
brave totem
Anyone else getting the issue where your cursor keeps switching from your controllers to the middle of your pov??
molten gale
Thats why my desktop stays off while using vr
brave totem
Wow minimising the window literally fixes it, that's a weird bug
compact oyster
Stupid question
I've recently changed computer. Do I need to upload all my custom avatars again
empty flint
I think before I even think of doing any animations, poses and such on my avatar
Im going to get my light pad out (havent used it since I got it, it's about time I do) and study my character's behaviours and all that...
ya know, planning out
if I dont plan things out from the start there is a very good chance I'd be lost on what to do and where to start 😂
snow wadi
@compact oyster Your content is stored in your account on the server, so don't worry about computer swaps.
compact oyster
Oh thank you
snow wadi
Np
west breach
does anyone wanna chill and watch anime?
snow wadi
You just did.
fluid bloom
that's what i was thinkin
north axle
Oooo, we finally reached over 10,000 users for the first time in almost a whole year.
fluid bloom
on?
polar jasper
There has been over 10k a few times already ^^
polar jasper
Not really been keeping track of it, but we've been a few times over 10k the past two months
final vale
Anyone knows what was the name of that flamethrower avatar with a white aluminium-like hazmat suit ? You could make the flamethrower appear with a gesture and fire with grip, and another gesture made a geiger counter appear
north axle
Not according to SteamCharts at least.
final vale
Dm or ping me pls if u know the name
polar jasper
SteamCharts doesn't show the full number sadly
north axle
Yeah, but it's definitely the vast majority.
fluid bloom
@final vale you might wanna delete that
polar jasper
Yesterday or the day before we also had 10k users
fluid bloom
@final vale rule 15. No posting the same question or statement across multiple channels
gotta watch out
north axle
They reposted it only once, so I don't know if anyone has to delete the message, but yeah, you need to at least be aware of the rules.
vocal shard
Using nolo as fullbody tracking
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DFKW0KDPFQc
@north axle Did you get your world working?
north axle
Nope, I have a special case and it's going to take a while before they can respond.
vocal shard
Sorry! 😢
north axle
No need to be, maybe it's my own fault.
I'll have to wait for the response until I can tell what it was and what's going to happen next.
faint skiff
What is the issue, out of curiosity?
north axle
I unpublished Courtroom, and now I can't publish it.
I don't want to reupload it because I don't want the world to lose its stats.
Pretty sure it's got at least 150000 visits , would be a shame not to be able to show that in the end.
faint skiff
Oh, that courtroom that everyone RPs in?
north axle
Yeah.
faint skiff
Nice, and that's annoyingly unfortunate.
north axle
At least there's the Ace Attorney Courtroom, so if anyone wants to RP they'll still have this world. Except for Quest users, I've got the only courtroom compatible with mobile devices so far.
faint skiff
In the criminal justice system, the people are represented by two separate but equally important rooms: The courtoom, who investigate crime on both PC and Quest, and the Ace Attorneys, who have a cool cartoon effect. These are their stories. DUN DUN
vocal shard
So um the hair on all my avatars seems to just be frozen and has no movement / physics or whatever
Not my own avatars, just random ones from different worlds
I've never had this happen before so uhh
faint skiff
They're probably above 32 dynamic bones and you have the limiter turned on.
faint skiff
Helpful Enverex strikes again, meep.
final vale
So no one knows for the hazmat suit avatar's name ?
faint skiff
Nope, sorry. I've seen it a bunch, never used it.
simple schooner
yo does anyone know a video player world that can play things besides youtube links?
faint skiff
I think they all use the same software so almost all of them should work with most video websites and any direct video links, technically. (It uses YouTube-DL in the background)
simple schooner
alright, ty
tight swan
What Why can i type here
slow halo
Why not?
errant hare
@tight swan You should be able to type in any channel, except in those in "official" section
tight swan
ik i just joined a hour ago
obsidian herald
Strawberry_Eggs is speaking.
On Twitch
mellow aspen
Is there anything you can do about being forced kicked from worlds? I blocked someone and they instantly kicked me from the world. I went to another world and they followed me there and kicked me again.
sonic kayak
Is there any way to change the location where vrchat stores pictures? My C drive is crying
tacit plank
I just move them manually to my secondary drive every few weeks
broken plover
I dont take pictures in the first place lmao (but I should)
faint skiff
Someone impressively freestyle rapping in the Pug atm
vast field
is vrchat still running on the version of unity that only uses one core?
vocal shard
new user
vocal shard
why does everything always take so long to load bruh
other instances take like 2 mins
hollow gazelle
In vrchat today ive finally heard the best description of any model with a gun that crashes the victim
Deathgun but he just kills your headset.
oblique igloo
👀
narrow notch
Hi
vocal shard
hi @oblique igloo
languid beacon
So uh, aside from eyetracking/blinking not working, upper chest is supported now and makes a smoother spine when you bend sideways.
violet marlin
Hello
glad bolt
🤔
strange plume
yeetus mcdeletus
valid void
is anyones vrchat bugged right now?
west dew
bugged as in what way? You're giving us an open question.
bronze sedge
Has anyone suggested making an app for mobile that has features something like text chat and/or updating status? I apologise if this isn’t the right spot for this or if this has been suggested, I honestly think it could work but I guess servers would be a priority at the moment since they still seem unstable.
Also my English isn’t the most great so apologies for any mistakes
meager solstice
I believe some people have brought it up in the past
bronze sedge
Oh, sorry
supple bison
delicate perch
mobile VRChat? huh
empty swallow
E A SPORTS
delicate basalt
Uuuugggh...why did blender have to change it's look? x.x
I have not fiddled with blender or making avatars in so long I forgot everything
boreal violet
that is half good IMO, i had also forgotten a lot so after a quick newbie tutorial for 2.8 i was back in action again
i find im having an easier time in 2.8 than i used to have in 2.79 which was what i was used to back in 2017, when i was messing with avatars last
meager solstice
@delicate basalt u can always change it back
boreal violet
i did that first to do a small change but then when i wanted to do i more and i didnt remember stuff i figured just getting used to the new interface was the way to go
so a quick tutorial to get to grips with the new interface and a refresher of how stuff works was great
burnt cradle
so my vrchat wont load me into my homeworld, i just get a 0.00% forever
any fixes? i've restarted my pc like twice and even uninstalled the game
tacit plank
Any errors in the log? Maybe there is a mistake in your world
rapid fossil
Hey guys! New to VRChat and the discord, is their any worlds that are like second Life RP? Would love a VRRP
cold talon
Not as far as I know 
rigid crescent
theres rp but not specifically worlds
faint skiff
VRERP 😉
cold talon
Don't add E, no thanks
untold chasm
rapid fossil
@cold talon Thank you mate, would try create one myself if i knew how.
@untold chasm play paranormal activity, i managed to play 30 minutes before i accidently quit the game and some how started playing hello kitty island adventure.
cold talon
That's even more horror 
faint skiff
@slow halo Here's the reflection I was talking about which you can't really see in the cat due to the lighting - https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/361742235525709825/630096662479634454/unknown.png
and the specular in general - https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/361742235525709825/630097552280125440/unknown.png
faint skiff
Shame the Black Cat has no real lighting, but I guess it's for performance reasons
still lark
You can bake and have reflection probes for little additional cost.
It'll also look nicer.
faint skiff
That doesn't apply lighting to avatars though does it?
still lark
Use Light Probes.
faint skiff
I have to admit I've never used those before, I'll have to look into them.
still lark
They're kinda annoying, there's some tools to reduce that annoyance.
faint skiff
Wait, do the light probes go on the avatar, or in the world?
still lark
World
If you go to #world-lighting and scroll up about 3 pages you'll see a vrcat.club link for a lighting tutorial, you can see some light probage there.
faint skiff
Ah, that's no use to me then, it's not my world, I just make the avatars 😛
crystal fossil
I mean. There are shaders with built in fallback lighting for those worlds that lack the good shine.
empty flint
hmm wonder what I'll throw down the toilet in one of the hangout worlds on VRChat this time o-o
fluid bloom
not anymore
slow halo
Welcome to vrchat, where everyone is dumb and gender doesn't matter
It is, truly, the transhumanist ideal
faint skiff
And "straight" is just a suggestion
slow halo
The scum swarms would be proud
(I realised too late it sounds like I'm calling people scum. The scum swarms are a group of nomadic hedonists that live in space in the Eclipse Phase setting/universe, which is a sci-fi/transhuman tabletop rpg. Think altered carbon but in space, and also there are space cthulus)
(the second edition just came out and it's a lot of fun everyone should check it out)
faint skiff
Too late, I'm going to start referring to groups of visitors on desktop as "scum swarms" lol
steady kayak
Hey sometime ago asked about bhaptics and vrchat.. someone mentioned there is something you can do involving the vrchat stream camera to use bhaptics with vrchat properly?
can someone fill me in? i'm considering buying one but nobody really seems to know
found answer.. its a prefab/shader!
slow halo
Lol
vocal shard
Hi
tender spear
Pickles
sonic kayak
anyone else having trouble joining that new beat saber world?
it just sends me back to my home world
dusky mesa
I joined it without any problems
cold talon
Inb4 beatsaber world gets taken down by beatsaber devs
steady kayak
@fleet girder not just beatsaber.. a fully working classic doom too!
fleet girder
Omg... someoen take me there later pleasee
I want to play bear saber o bad. . Cant afford to buy wuwwuwuuw
silk pivot
👀
vocal shard
So my vrchat just decided to uninstall itself
Steam sometimes seems to randomly uninstall free games for me too
Luckily vrchat only takes like a minute to install
faint skiff
Free weekend games normally uninstall themselves but I've not seen just "free" games uninstall.
vocal shard
I've come come a few times and had almost my entire library except my paid games uninstalled
I’ve had some times where it would uninstall paid games, but it’s pretty rare
meager solstice
Steam does some weird stuff
snow wadi
Steam uninstalled vrchat and warframe on its own.
I think it's trying to tell me something xD
pure hemlock
Steam does that sometimes to me as well
It has uninstalled SteamVR like 30 times so I think it really wants me to sell my vr system
snow wadi
In my case I think it wants me to stop with the pew pew and running around as a big bird.
indigo fern
start walking then 😂
snow wadi
Ok :<
indigo fern
or fly, you are birb
broken plover
get a warehouse and play VR in there. You wont need a walk button then xD
snow wadi
Fly? Me? I'd be lucky to even jump. D:
broken plover
use the mass to your advantage and use a trampoline to jump high, and then glide with your wings
snow wadi
I tried that once...
There was someone underneath me >_>
It was a horrific sight ;_;
indigo fern
pancaked to the ground
legend has it theyre still trying to scrape him off the concrete
broken plover
humanoid pancake
snow wadi
vocal shard
Big Oof
languid beacon
In my case it’s like
Adeon
Adeon test
Adeon hip fix
Adeon hip fix try
Adeon correct
Adeon [fixed]
Adeon final
Adeon final test
broken plover
why not just upload the fixes to the same blueprint id?
languid beacon
In case it’s worse
broken plover
If I fix a model, I keep the old one fully configured, and upload the "fixed" avatar to the same blueprint ID so if its worse I can always revert to the older one
tidal aspen
model_v7_fix_final_finaler_actuallyfinal_v2
languid beacon
Whenever I update I actually overwrite the fbx in unity so it’s the same gameobject / armature in unity . Avoids setting all the components up again. Also Dafirex knows how it is
rough pulsar
Then there's me with nice names like SIV10.3a where the letters are the base name, the numbers are the first date uploaded and the last letter is incremented each minor non-breaking update
languid beacon
Also I tend to not realize issues until I’ve been using it for a while so I keep old versions uploaded in case a problem is found while I’m playing I can roll back and fix it later
sour lily
my file names sometimes end up as
sdfkljsdfkljksdflj
actually dont talk to me or my sfm files ever again
rough pulsar
My favourites of those are fff.dmx, hhh.dmx and why.dmx
umbral reef
Intense clapping
sour lily
my renders are also a fucking mess
such as my .daes and .blend files
and before you ask "how do you keep organized?"
hint: i don't.
coarse anchor
when will the one good update return that fixed moste fbt stuff
meager solstice
What are stuff? @coarse anchor
From my understanding nothing has been taken away, and the one of the last few updates made were for fbt
coarse anchor
there was a update that fixed alot of fbt issues and after a ddos attack it was gone
tranquil vapor
soooo im having a massive issue, i just built my pc and downloaded vrc however it doesnt load. it says not responding then hits the lo0ading screen wit 0% and no loading bar
vocal shard
When will vrchat get an ACTUAL fix for all the broken crap like for example audio is now utter shit
burnt cradle
i just wanna be able to load into the game and play it
signal finch
where would i go if i need help with vrchat sdk
jaunty fog
Into the dms 😈
slate verge
is playspacemover broken for anyone else?
frosty veldt
Play space mover is depreciated, you should use advanced settings instead
slate verge
but i'm using both
and i don't see how advance settings could move you in-game like playspacemover does unless i misread somewhere
frosty veldt
New versions of advanced settings has a play space mover in it
slate verge
i don't remember seeing or reading anything of that, odd
frosty veldt
slate verge
hm......
@frosty veldt but does it work for users without full body though is the question
frosty veldt
Of course, I have FBT and it works identically to play space mover when you change your controls
spice epoch
what is the difference between vrchat-general and public-lobby?
slate verge
@frosty veldt yeah but i don't have fbt, only vr hands
so if you say that is true then i'll look into it
frosty veldt
Ah I don't know then, I'm pretty sure you can set up fake trackers but I don't play without FBT anymore so I can't promise anything
I misread what you said, I thought you said you had FBT
frosty veldt
I can only speak from a FBT perspective. I don't play vrchat without FBT.
slate verge
oh alright
spice epoch
are you using FBT with Kinect or HTC Trackers?
frosty veldt
I can promise you it works the same with FBT, without I have no experience
slate verge
no trackers, just hands
frosty veldt
HTC trackers with a vive
slate verge
@spice epoch you can know the difference between these two channels by clicking the description at the top of the channel
frosty veldt
Even without FBT I would look into advanced settings as I'm pretty sure it was made for VRC
slate verge
okies
frosty veldt
Main difference between the channels is people without the 'vrchatter' role can only view public lobby and official channels
How would you move your hand in a 3D space with a mouse on a 2D plane though?
vocal shard
Surgeon simulator style
frosty veldt
Yeah even if the devs added it it would be really slow and clumsy
vocal shard
Actually.... Could use the mouse as basic two axis movement, and scroll wheel to reach out or close
Wouldn't really add much to the game, but desktop could headpat
frosty veldt
I feel something more realistic of a chance to be added is desktop players ablility to rotate held objects with only keyboard/mouse
vocal shard
That would be nice. Odd how that's controller only
frosty veldt
Udon should make that rather easy
vocal shard
Xbox controllers can already push and pull objects and rotate them
frosty veldt
Yeah the functionality is there it would just be rebinding it to wasd and some
Well not wasd but you get it
God really shows tht I don't play desktop doesn't it
spice epoch
wait lol
ofc, I should try use my controller, I forgot about it
In theory, it should be like Oculus Touch, right?
slate verge
very strange playspacemover works again
rancid talon
@(Queen) Fooni#6286 Naelstrof's playspace mover relies on input emulator which is no longer maintained. Advanced Settings uses a different method to move the user and doesn't rely on input emulator. But, with input emulator it becomes possible to emulate fake trackers. So the older playspace mover is still useful for that.
slate verge
@rancid talon oh hey kung! thanks for the notice so essentially it will be the same since i use fake trackers due to input emulator. Thats what i wanted. But its also good to know that its compatible. 👍
rancid talon
😁 yeah if you use the fake tracker feature you have to still use playspace mover. Although input emulator isn't maintained there's a pull request on its github with some fixes that I think are still working for now
slate verge
noice!
vocal shard
I found that the fake trackers would make my legs drift if I moved the playspace around, but that was almost a year ago. Don't know if that changed
slate verge
yeah its changed, when i move around with fake trackers it didn't do that
vocal shard
Oh nice
slate verge
mhm~
ruby burrow
I'm still using Naelstrof's playspace mover simply out of not having updated my advanced settings yet.
Kind of surprised it's still working, but haven't been given much motivation to update anything.
rancid talon
If you don't need space turn or steamvr input for bindings then I think playspace mover should pretty much be just as good
oh, and if you don't need your chaperone walls to stay accurate when you move, I forgot about that
But, for example if you play standing-room-only then it wouldn't matter, so yeah there are circumstances where there's no reason to upgrade
ruby burrow
Oh? So the new method preserves your chaperone position?
That actually sounds like a valid motivation to update if so. How come no one else has told me this before? xD
rancid talon
Yeah, I think I made a little video to show what it looks like, way back when we release 3.0.0
lemme see if I can dig it up
There it is
boreal violet
ive walked myself dizzy in my playspace since the 3.something update, thanks for that 🙂
spice epoch
boi, this looks so good https://www.3drudder.com/virtual-reality/
ruby burrow
Nice. Ok then, I guess it's time I finally get out of 2018. ^ ^;
spice epoch
ofcourse not for VRChat, but in theory 😄
rancid talon
@boreal violet ehehe yeah the redirected walking is dizzying at first
boreal violet
That rudder thing just seems like a gimmick to me you can do most of what that thing does with a wii fit board for almost nothing 😉
@rancid talon thats not the issue, its that my playspace is only 3.2x2.8m so im walking in pretty tight circles 😛
rancid talon
Once you're very used to it though at least for my it doesn't make my dizzy. In fact if I expect it to activate and it doesn't then I get dizzy
Ah yeah, that's pretty tight
boreal violet
and ive already thrown out my corner couch for a small two seater 😛
rancid talon
@ruby burrow There should be a new version of Advanced Settings coming in a few weeks if SteamVR beta can hold itself together
ruby burrow
Only 50% larger than mine. Be grateful. : P
rancid talon
It adds a few features and support for some changes in SteamVR. Right now if you go to an offset greater than 1000 things get messy because they started clamping the max offset in the latest live update of steamvr
boreal violet
would need to get rid of more furniture for a larger space, been thinking of expanding it to 3.2x3.2 but that would mean either cutting either my tv-bench or my desk in half
rancid talon
I complained to Valve and they gave use a method to get larger offsets, so newest version will support that
boreal violet
Ive had it happen in anyland that when ive walked too far from the "spawn" ive had issues with stuff disapparing
rancid talon
Just can't get any testing done on the new version because SteamVR beta totally broke the dashboard for WMR and I think Pimax in the latest beta update
rancid talon
Yeah... had a test build in our semi closed beta, and when the weekend rolled around all the testers got on to test, and right then SteamVR pushed a beta that broke the dash and then they were off for the weekend... so it's still like that
ruby burrow
I suppose it's got to be a nice time to develop for VR, in the regard that even very small indie devs can contact a company like Valve and actually have a reasonable chance of being listened to. VR is not yet so big that niche concerns get drowned out, and they're relatively keen on nurturing the community.
rancid talon
Yeah, we're not even a company. Just a team of 4 devs doing a free tool on github
ruby burrow
Spare the constant instability of things, of course.
rancid talon
I sent emails and they were responded to in a timely and friendly/informative manner
Valve's been great
ruby burrow
Curtis (OVR Toolkit dev) has had good interactions with them too, far as I recall him talking about that stuff.
rancid talon
Not only that, but my request was kind of unreasonable. Like "um please can we allow calibration of the universe room center to much further than 1km from the raw tracking origin? I know floating point error might accumulate out there but I have this crazy use case for it."
And they totally heard me out, and supported the use case
boreal violet
That is a testament to there being hacker spirit left in a huge company, great to hear 🙂
i think they see how much the advanced setting stuff goes to make extra value in the vr space as well
rancid talon
Yeah, it wasn't even just "sure" from them, it was like "we recommend you respond to these api events in this order for best results..." etc there was some back and forth. And even now that I got it working they're still considering some changes to make it more stable in edge cases
boreal violet
and on a more serious note, how much it does for people with physical limitations being able to enjoy vr
only thing thats sorta missing is the ability to turn the space on the x or y axis, so people in hospital beds could be "standing" in vr 😉
rancid talon
Oh yeah, I heard from a guy with disability, that height offset and space turn allowed him to enjoy vr games that he couldn't before
boreal violet
but thats is even more of an edge case
spice epoch
btw does anyone have a demonic cat and a VR in their home ? 😄
boreal violet
yeah for most people the height offset is just easy crouch mode or standing height when playing seated but for people without the option it really opens up VR in a new way
rancid talon
Yeah, I just use it to look like I jump up on objects that don't have a collider, and then toggle when I jump off
spice epoch
what happens if my cat goes IN front of me while I am using Oculus with kinect 😄 
boreal violet
dont have a cat but i dont think it would get picked up by a kinect, they are nowhere near the skeletal structure that a kinect is trained to see, only issue would be if it blocked the camera or you accidentally kick it
rancid talon
🤔 training a Kinect to see a pet's pose structure and then mapping that onto a VR pet...
that would be interesting, though I doubt a pet could keep alignment good enough to extract a pose
spice epoch
yea that ahole can't stand still for more than a second
boreal violet
hehe, good luck with that, better to put a vive tracker on its collar and have a full dynamic boned creature dragging itself around 😛
rancid talon
lol, VR-slug-cat
meager solstice
^ that’s an idea
boreal violet
you only need to know where not to step, pose is just topping 😛
spice epoch
I need to somehow know if my cat is infront of me or behind me
cuz I will probably step on it and fall
boreal violet
close the door?
rancid talon
You can actually do that with input emulator though. Define a custom model for a tracker and have it show even when the dash overlay is closed
spice epoch
they hate closed doors, it will literally try to rip it off
boreal violet
risking stepping on the cat is shittier than keeping it safely out of harms way
spice epoch
no I am not afraid to step on the cat, I am afraid to lose balance and break my oculus 😄
boreal violet
hehe, got your priorities straight at least 😉
rancid talon
If you put down a rubber mat or something, and the cat is smart it might go around if it can get a visual sense of "where the human is gonna stay"
spice epoch
the cat will survive being stepped on, but me falling down with the headset or the controllers will give me heartbreak
boreal violet
cat and smart mostly dont fit in the same sentence, they move around like they expect the world to conform to their will
rancid talon
I should maybe poke valve about universe center pitch and roll though rather than yaw only. I dunno if it would be something they'd do though, because the assumption y is up is kinda fundamental to their driver model
And I think it's required for how they calculate distance to the chaperone bounds for fading those, not to mention the chaperone bounds themselves are usually straight up and down
boreal violet
i tried messing with that input emulator to set an offset but i never got that working, not that i need to play laying down but i found it interesting
rancid talon
it should be possible in input emulator though
boreal violet
guess i wasnt trying hard enough 😉
rancid talon
Because you aren't changing the universe coordinates, you're changing your headset's position
boreal violet
but something allowing the "recenter" to work on horizon as well was position would do it
rancid talon
Advanced Settings space-drag is literally that. Like some kind of WoW gnomish technology thing. You drag the entire universe in the opposite direction
Yeah, there is a recalibration for the down direction in steamvr
but it's based on the imu-s in the devices
boreal violet
and i do realize its not a "just a change the x to a y in a config file"
rancid talon
there was an update like a year ago to account for controller imus too to compensate for imu drift in aging headsets
tired sable
damnit i post in the wrong chat lmao just notice i was in quest
so many chat rooms lol
boreal violet
PSVR/full body thats sorta messy i think
rancid talon
But I think the way it works right now is a change to the raw tracking coordinates? And that otherwise the down direction is universal between all coordinate types
tired sable
have you used psvr before?
boreal violet
dont even know if there is an option to get PSVR style tracking working on PC
tired sable
we dont wanna buy the wrong things
there is
its on youtube but they never tell you what to buy lmao
boreal violet
i know it works as a 3dof device due to the internal gyro
but no idea on the controllers
tired sable
do you know anyone who uses it in vrchat?
boreal violet
sorry no idea there
if its gonna be using optical tracking you would need multiple cameras or a kinect maybe
rancid talon
You might want to look up the Rift + Vive Trackers discord and ask in there
forest estuary
tired sable
tbh we dont have the money to get a other vr headset so psvr is all we have lol
rigid crescent
it says the reason you were banned
boreal violet
then you likely dont have enough for vive trackers and lighthouses, i know a kinect can do some of that stuff but ive got no idea how well or if it would be worth ti
tired sable
ok thanks for the help 🙂
boreal violet
that is pretty much what i know of PSVR and full body stuff
but i havnt ever tried any PSVR stuff, i have a kinect 360 and use it for body tracking
be aware that its only forward facing and only OKish, you can hardly turn at all without it freaking out
a kinect 360 is cheap tho, dunno how much a kinect one is nowdays, it might have become affordable enough for experimentation as well, i know that software supports both.
Im sure the vids he shows there are the best takes but some of the PSVR stuff looks quite good
lunar cedar
Sony patched the psvr wands a long time that broke it for psmoveservice. You have to somehow obtain a pair of used wands that haven't been used on PSVR for a long time.
tired sable
thank you for the info!
torn nebula
@rough pulsar r-18 spam server invite above from @cursive drift
<@&397642795457970181>
lilac sparrow
i wish my laptop was better so it could run the game smoother
faint skiff
Set the game to hide Very Poor avatars if you want a big boost in performance.
It runs so much better since I did that. Unfortunately it also shows how many avatars are badly made (40 meshes, 60 materials, etc on a basic avatar...).
crimson wyvern
why does vrc desktop keep opening my vr environment this didn't use to happen before
faint skiff
Do you have a headset connected still?
faint skiff
What headset?
crimson wyvern
wmr lenovo explorer
it opens the cliffhouse and steamvr environment like if it were a vr game
if you close them it opens again lagging my pc
faint skiff
Ah. Could be that a Windows update makes the headset available at all times if it's connected now. Same happens with SteamVR headsets. You need to right click the game and explicitly launch the Desktop version.
crimson wyvern
that's the problem when i launch on desktop it opens the vr
faint skiff
So you're right clicking the game in Steam and selecting the "Launch Desktop Version" option?
crimson wyvern
yes
faint skiff
Not that I don't believe you, but you're actually selecting the option to do that, not just running the game from the desktop?
crimson wyvern
yes right clicking on steam, launch on desktop (non vr) version
and vrchat launches on desktop mode but my vr environment keeps booting up
faint skiff
I used it within the last month though and it worked for me so it doesn't seem to be a universal problem.
snow wadi
Wait why are you right-clicking? Just launching VRChat in steam alone gives you two options : VR mode or Desktop mode.
I never had to right click o.o
faint skiff
It auto launches the normal version for me, which in turn always launches into VR because I never disconnect my headset.
slow halo
Ditto
tacit plank
I remember seeing a video about better dynamic bones colliders (fixing the clipping issues that many people have) and I thought I had bookmarked it before closing it, but apparently not. Can I get a TLDR or something?
tacit plank
Recently, but I'm just curious about the method
snow wadi
And if you watched it on YouTube, you can pull up the history section.
tacit plank
I tried that, it's not there. Maybe I saw it on my school computer. I don't form memories very well when I'm tired
snow wadi
I'm guessing you were on YouTube but not logged into your account?
tacit plank
I don't have an account. I found the video now (sent from school pc), but it seems it was about cloth rather than dynamic bones. rip
Thanks for your input btw
snow wadi
No, just trying to help! \o/
faint skiff
Ah, cloth always makes things look weird and going over 200 tris (which is nothing) knocks you down to poor rating (or very poor, can't remember) immediately.
tacit plank
Oh, it was actually dynamic bones. I'm an idiot.
The bones for the skirt are in the side of the model, and weight paint becomes weaker towards the center, this fixes the issue with clipping when walking back and forth. It doesn't even seem to use colliders
faint skiff
Oh, that video, yeah, I know the one. It's very specific to that scenario though.
tacit plank
That's true. A weaker weightpainting in the center seems to be a good general solution though
faint skiff
For example, that wouldn't work on long hair, tails, scarves, etc.
pseudo basalt
Was it that bananers video
vocal shard
hello
vocal shard
hey guys what happened to the solid legion or whatever? i heard it was a big thing a year ago.
???
snow wadi
...what the heck is a solid legion even?
pure hemlock
It was the Solid Snake group led by Moddex before he got banned
They kind of disappeared after Moddex got banne
vocal shard
huh...i see
pure hemlock
I only met Moddex twice back in the day and I don't know why he got banned but he seemed really nice and to just generally have a blast playing the game and creating avatars
vocal shard
i think i also saw moddex twice
once in a gathering of solid legion people (i think it was? i remember seeing big boss being surrounded by people) and once when i friended his alt (they kame 2 my friendz only world 4 no reason after)
pure hemlock
I met him for the first time one day when he was planting a ton of C4 to blow up Delfino Plaza and a second time during a HUGE gathering of people at the base
hollow sluice
full body tracking for 249.51€ Hmmmm
vocal shard
-_-
faint skiff
Not far off what I paid (£260)
frosty veldt
Didn't think it would be worth it when I got it but holy shit was I wrong ($330)
faint skiff
Yeah. Now I can actually move my tail, yay.
ruby burrow
I'd argue that anyone that consistently mains an avatar with a tail would highly enjoy having even only one tracker.
I do get jealous just occasionally, of people with fun dynamic ears and tails to wave and wiggle about.
vocal shard
-_-
faint skiff
Ears don't require anything special though
slow halo
Ears!
My avatar has ears but she's a catgirl. Cat ears don't typically bounce around when moving, so I've fought myself about including dynamic bones in them.
finite sierra
niiiiihihiihihihihii
slow halo
But yes as someone with a main avatar with a tail, I'd love to be able to wiggle my hips around
glad bolt
Oh
snow wadi
Yeah once he snacked me with his tail so hard I ended up in the tutorial world.
vocal shard
he snacked you?
faint skiff
Tasty bird, nom
indigo fern
That's not a snack, that's a full 5 course meal
vocal shard
O.O
snow wadi
I meant smacked but snacked works too!
broken plover
a thanksgiving turkey
primal oak
https://vrchat.canny.io/feature-requests/p/adjust-volume-of-individuals this canny just hit 1k votes
faint skiff
That's more of an issue than it should be because the audio "cone" doesn't work, at all.
There's no volume difference between someone infront of me or behind me.
Despite the fact they should be only 70% if they are outside that 110' cone or such infront of you
primal oak
I don't notice anyhing either
faint skiff
I've slowly rotated myself around several times now to test it and there's no volume change at all.
primal oak
At times someone's voice 5m away overpowers someone right next to me
pure hemlock
Yah that feature would be so nice
vapid abyss
who on vrchat right now
faint skiff
7201 people
vapid abyss
u on vrchat
vocal shard
Most people talking in here currently probably aren't playing at this moment
vapid abyss
can u make voice chat on this discord plze
vapid abyss
@lost hull whats ur name on vrchat
broken plover
the game is a big voice chat
vapid abyss
nico right
fluid bloom
Paul i see how its useless but it'd still be nice
maybe ur bored/depressed af as you do and just want to find someone else thats like that to play with
going from person to person in vrchat and asking them if they wanna hang out...just isnt the same
ruby needle
The thing with VC is that it very often gets abused and is hard to moderate.
fluid bloom
Can relate
faint skiff
So use a different discord server, this one has too many people for it to be viable anyway, and FAR too many random children joining.
fluid bloom
I mean
kids are a pretty weak argument but yeah
vocal shard
I'm sure it's mainly that it's hard to moderate and there's no record
fluid bloom
hoi jamie 👋
fluid bloom
How's life?
vocal shard
Good. You?
fluid bloom
well
could be better
for the most part im doing alright
vocal shard
I see. 
fluid bloom
i'd ping paul to ask them but its prolly not allowed so paul if ur here hbu?
vocal shard
Chat mods are fine to ping. Especially as friends. It's the VRChat team that the rules ask not to ping
fluid bloom
wholesome mods time ^-^
broken plover
Hi
fluid bloom
welcome nico to the wholesome small talk chat
take a seat. Can i get you something to drink?
broken plover
a tea. Im sick. :/
fluid bloom
rip
broken plover
I always have these mini headaches for a few seconds... Its so annoying
broken plover
Im just sitting in front of my pc and randomly have mini headaches.
polar jasper
Hey Nuked
fluid bloom
Well using ur pc or staring at screens while sick probably isnt a good idea
👋
radiant herald
Hello 🙂
devout island
hello friend
glad bolt
👀
honest sun
Does anyone know who made the Kamen Rider avatars? The ones you can actually transform with
slow halo
HENSHIN
vocal shard
misty delta
to be able to publish my self-made models as avatars, i need to be new user or over, right?
vestal pier
Yep
pseudo basalt
epic
vocal shard
why
mossy fable
Is vrchat laggy today or is It just my computer
stiff sparrow
both
vestal pier
@viral canyon
slate verge
does anyone know what font does vrchat use for the texts like Public, Friends with guest etc...?
cosmic belfry
Does anyone know if there's a Way to Play VR Chat on Mac? Is there any work arounds ?
I saw this Thing about Nvidia Geforce Cloud GPU services or something that claims to be a work around for it but Idk Im not a Mac User so I wouldnt know
Asking for a friend
thorny delta
Hey how do I change into a default avatar via button prompts if my avatar menu won't work
fluid bloom
@thorny delta if you go to the default vrchat home lobby the avatars are there i think
thorny delta
thank you that might help
fluid bloom
👍
meager solstice
@cosmic belfry Apple has their own thing called “bootcamp” basically u can install windows on a Mac
U can use that for vrc. Or like u said Nvidia does have a virtual machine that will also work
cosmic belfry
My friend tells me there's a waiting list for the Nvidia thing though
@meager solstice
snow wadi
Bootcamp is the quickest and easiest solution.
molten path
yo guys
fluid bloom
yo
vocal shard
VRChat used to work on the NVIDIA thing, but after the recent updates it won’t work
still lark
What
faint skiff
I assume they mean the Nvidia game streaming service.
vocal shard
GM everyone
faint skiff
Ah, that sucks. Was it about weight painting? That haunts my dreams 😛
vocal shard
lol
faint skiff
Surprised how well both the Beat Sabre and Doom games work in VRC.
fluid bloom
ikr?
vocal shard
-_-
red current
so, i could get the oculus rift now, or i could get the oculus rift s next week, whats the tracking difference, anyone know?
apart from not having sensors of course
broken plover
with inside out tracking you cant really reach behind your back without loosing tracking. I dont have a rift /rift s myself but I heard from alot of people that the rift s tracking is alot better than the normal rift tracking
red current
ah i see, cheers haha i just dont wanna buy the one and end up being the wrong choice, ima get the rift S then. 😄
faint skiff
Rift tracking was kinda the worst of both worlds. It was outside-in tracking, but needed a load of USB3 ports, was more intensive, all had to be cabled back to your PC and even then still wasn't great. Rift S can't see behind itself, but other than that, accuracy is good and it doesn't require anything external.
red current
alrighty, yeah sounds much easier getting the rift s, i mean i could get the HTC vive for 10 quid cheaper than the Rift S, but i feel The Rift S would be better as i wouldn't have anything extra going into the pc apart from the Headset
broken plover
the vive is actually inside out too, but it doesnt track your room, but instead it tracks the base stations. So the vive also just has the headset in the pc and nothing else. You have base stations in your room but they just need a power plug to function
red current
ah, alright, that makes sense, does it require bluetooth, the stations I mean?
faint skiff
Yeah, all lighthouse systems are actually "inside out" but they use markers so people confuse them for outside in systems.
The base stations just need power. They connect back to your PC only to power on/off which is done via bluetooth in the headset or breakout cable.
The Vive's tracking should be better than the Rift S, but the Rift S should be much higher resolution than the Vive.
The Vive's only a better option in this situation if you're either going to upgrade to the Index soon (as you can buy the cheaper Index package without the base stations) or you want proper full-body-tracking.
broken plover
I want both of those in the future so next year im gonna upgrade to a vive (if you call wmr to vive an upgrade because of the resolution haha)
faint skiff
You should be able to get Vive's super cheap these days, only the base stations are the even remotely expensive part.
I can barely give mine away.
broken plover
everytime I check on ebay, I see 50% full vive packages and the other 50% is just the headset with controllers or just the headset
fluid bloom
damn
faint skiff
If anyone in the UK wants to buy a headset (with DAS) and/or the controllers, let me know, heh.
fluid bloom
i couldnt even ship my vr to my country and you guys have black fridays everyday
errant hare
With Rift S you can reach behind your back and for example switch weapons on your back in Pavlov as long as you do it relatively quick
faint skiff
Rift S new is only £399 so that's not a great deal on that one.
broken plover
if we have black fryday friday everyday then we have "blacker than black friday" on black friday
faint skiff
I could buy the V2 base stations and sell the whole Vive package but then I'd make like nothing back
fluid bloom
someone give me valve index lol
broken plover
for 1k + shipping sure ^-^
broken plover
internet in germany is also stone age lol
fluid bloom
Atleast you can order stuff
i cant order anything to my place from anywhere
if i can shipping is twice as expensive as the item
broken plover
big rip RIP
errant hare
@fluid bloom International Space Station?
broken plover
lol
pseudo basalt
I wonder if valve will discount any of the index hardware for Black Friday or whatever
broken plover
sounds like canada from what other people said about shipping (why do I stop mid sentece when I'm ill lol)
pseudo basalt
Because I’m planning on getting the controllers
pseudo basalt
I think so too but the friend who’ll be ordering for me urged me to wait
Since it’s at the end of the month i guess?
fluid bloom
october?
faint skiff
Wow, Vive full kit (headset, controllers, basestations) went for £230... so cheap.
fluid bloom
damaged yeah
pseudo basalt
That’s a good deal
broken plover
I find offers from 250€ to 300€
broken plover
and sometimes 400€ if its a greedy one lol
pseudo basalt
My vive has a dead pixel on it which I’m pretty sure was there when i got it, i just never noticed
fluid bloom
Rip
pseudo basalt
Strangely enough a friend of mine has one too in the same place
broken plover
I once found a really cheap offer! But the seller wrote that the cable was kinda broken, so when you would pull too much the hdmi plug falls out. and some other stuff
faint skiff
There's a bright green pixel on my Quest, but it's outside your field of vision.
pseudo basalt
It just looks like a spec of dust if you focus on it
fluid bloom
you dont say
pseudo basalt
Its not black
It’s think it’s actually bright greenish too
Or maybe it’s the neighbouring pixels that light it up
broken plover
or theres a gameboy with a backscreen light behind the dead pixel lighting it lol
pseudo basalt
Colouring it rather than lighting
faint skiff
If it's LCD, it'll be lit anyway due to backlight bleed.
Meh sod it, I'll buy 3 lighthouse V2s and that'll let me sell my old Vive as a full package rather than one missing the base-stations.
vocal shard
torn nebula
@broken plover you can use additional lighthouses to help with occlusion issues
faint skiff
You can officially use up to 4. Technically use up to 16.
pseudo basalt
Wonder if i should get the controllers only or the index too
tacit plank
They have Mode A and mode B?
faint skiff
My room is terrible and has occluding objects everywhere, so the lighthouse positioning is.. bad.
pseudo basalt
I’ll have a friend order them for me then mail them to me but I’m concerned about import taxes and whatnot
tacit plank
Unless the newer ones are better. I wouldn't mind 3 lighthouses for better tracking, but I assume that calculations also get more expensive with more lighthouses
pseudo basalt
The wired mode never worked well for me
In fact it worked much worse than 2 stations that don’t really see each other pointing at the headset
Constantly messing up the tracking
faint skiff
AFAIK the calculations are handled by the device itself which is why there never seems to be any CPU usage.
torn nebula
There's some computation happening on the PC but it's pretty cheap compared to eg the original rift tracking
hollow sluice
does full body tracking have a performance impact? I want to know before I buy it
broken plover
I think it does, but not really a huge impact
umbral reef
As in you want to run VRC, record yourself FBT and then play beatsaber with the movements?
If you can already do it without it being laggy or having harsh performance it wont be an big increase really.
broken plover
any potato can run beat saber I think... It always runs smooth for me. and my pc isnt really the best either
umbral reef
Reducing some unoptimized things on your avatar will prob have a bigger performance boost
umbral reef
Beatsaber has so far i know no buildin FBT
compact river
Did your scaling get changed?
hollow sluice
like I stutter a lit and on harder songs aka more notes using camera plus just makes myfps go to 30
no I have 1X scaling and mirror res to 800x600
@umbral reef mods
umbral reef
Welp then performance for sure wont be better as it has to load a fair bit more compared to normal and the mods arent known for being optimized
compact river
Not like beat saber takes much so somethings def not right
hollow sluice
well I am aware of that but still even stock runs badly
broken plover
When I install mods it sometimes lags. I'm always glad when they release a new update that "breaks" all the mods so I dont have to uninstall them myself
broken plover
I wanted to try to install multiplayer but I didnt get it working. Neither did my friends.
hollow sluice
all I use is custom sabers camera plus and song core.
but yeah I think i know whats wrong with it
my pc is too bad for it
umbral reef
Also its more fitting for #general-media
hollow sluice
aight I am moving than
faint skiff
I've noticed no performance impact from FBT trackers even on CPU limited situations.
vocal shard
-_-
heavy badger
quartz osprey
anyone with VR willing to test some avatars for me (unable to use VR myself (sensors aren’t working for me)
faint skiff
Sure, but it won't be until I'm home in a few hours.
quartz osprey
dm me when you are available ok
faint skiff
I love the wording on this Canny entry - "Avatars that are blocked by preferences are still downloaded before they're hidden. Maybe don't do that."
broken plover
I hate that. 1. If I block an avatar I dont want to see it and 2. If blocked avatars are downloaded before some other avatars that are non blocked I still need to wait until its in the queue to download
faint skiff
Yeah exactly. If I have Very Poor avatars blocked, it's often because they kill performance but also because they're huge - a big issue on my crappy connection, so I end up standing in the entryway for a few minutes waiting for everything to load, only for half of them to then automatically hide...
broken plover
I have to wait up to 20 minutes for a whole instance of avatars to load
light pivot
avatars are profiled at runtime, it can't profile the avatar without loading it
have to download it first to load it
faint skiff
Avatars could be profiled by the server when uploaded in the first place. Hell, for security reasons they should be so that it can check for anything that shouldn't be there.
light pivot
no they can't, your avatar is sitting on an s3 bucket, there's no processing sitting on the other end
pseudo basalt
The sdk also profiles them tho
light pivot
you can't trust the sdk
faint skiff
There's nothing stopping them from "making" something that checks them. Blindly trusting the SDK and clients is playschool level security nonsense.
pseudo basalt
Why not in this case? You can profile it through the sdk and upload that then profile it again ingame
faint skiff
What irks me the most these days though is the amount of avatars with 20-60 materials and/or meshes. It's like terrible kitbashing taken to the extreme.
pseudo basalt
Why would anyone edit the sdk to change that in order to have their avatar downloaded when it's blocked?
If this would theoretically be the only use for it
light pivot
mm, suppose it could mitigate it if it were in both places
also enverex, you're not considering the infrastructure costs of having something listening at the other end and loading/profiling bundles
it's a lot more affordable to have a storage bucket than to actually have processing
particularly with the volume of data involved
faint skiff
Infrastructure costs aren't really an issue when security is involved. You HAVE to address it, sooner or later. They'll have to do a massive overhaul at some point due to the current level of exploitability.
And yeah, seeing how they'll address data will be interesting. The monolithic "unity package" system for worlds and avatars means a lot more data is moved around than it feels is really necessary. Any slight change - everyone needs the new package again.
broken plover
I wish they would make it so only the affected assets are re downloaded
faint skiff
Yeah, that's basically how Second Life worked and was exponentially faster. It also meant you were "in world" a lot faster.
broken plover
That would be a dream for me with 4mbps download
wet notch
Hello, How much cheaper price the laptop works well on VR games like this game?!
@here
desert stratus
@wet notch realistically any vr ready laptop will be over 1000usd minimum
you could run wmr on intel integrated graphics. at 10 fps. and half the resolution. in other words, you really cant.
desert stratus
im assuming theyre talking abkut vr mode since they mentioned vr games in general
but yeah, this game ryns on desktop okay with integrated graphics on an i7 5000 something so
wet notch
HP Pavilion Gaming Laptop,15.6" FHD IPS, Intel 8th Gen i5+8300H, NVIDIA GTX 1050Ti 4GB, 8GB RAM, 16GB Intel Optane Memory, 1TB HDD, Narrow border design, Windows 10 Home (15-cx0020nr,Black)
So Do think this options is enough and appropriateness?! @desert stratus @ruby needle
broken plover
should be able to run vr
broken plover
my friend has a 1050ti too and he can play vr just fine
ruby needle
1050ti is like entrycard to normal gaming even on desktops 
broken plover
he had a 750ti before the 1050ti btw
wet notch
What is the number of ti idk what is that VR chat need to ?!
ruby needle
if you indeed want to use a VR headset you should at least get a 1060 with 6GB of vram
also you want 16gb or RAM
8gb is just outdated
broken plover
cries internally with 8gb ram, i5 3rd gen and rx560
ruby needle
Im going to pray for you this night 😦
wet notch
Me ?!😂 @ruby needle
ruby needle
i can do for both of you 
wet notch
The VR glasses i can buy it but PC is the hard step 🤦🏻♀️
broken plover
get wmr and it'll run fine. It doesnt require as much performance as other vr headsets
broken plover
Windows Mixed Reality
slow halo
Rindows Wixed Meality
wet notch
It’s really inexpensive 😱
broken plover
and you will notice that when you get it
broken plover
wdym
vocal shard
You mean what graphics card?
vocal shard
Are you asking what graphics card is recommended?
vocal shard
For windows mixed reality, it has two modes.
A low performance mode that will run on low graphics like Intel Integrated graphics.
And a high performance mode that runs on at least 1050ti
faint skiff
1050Ti is the model. The Nvidia GTX 1050 Ti
broken plover
atleast a 1050ti? I run it on an rx560 and its a bit slower than the 1050ti
broken plover
yeah the rx560 is between 1050 and 1050ti
faint skiff
But you're running with SS below 100 and VRChat on DesktopLow, so all in all your experience is pretty bad.
vernal schooner
hello
faint skiff
Worth mentioning things like that when you talk about your GPU heh
vernal schooner
can i run vrchat on geforce mx 130?
broken plover
windows mixed reality
errant hare
Windows Mixed Reality headset
broken plover
as cheap as vr can get
errant hare
it won't be great experience though
broken plover
my rx560 is 101% faster than the mx 130 lol
vernal schooner
😞
errant hare
If its mx it is probably a laptop, if it is some low powered 15W chip it may struggle to even play it in desktop mode if you join busy world instance
faint skiff
It's a renamed GeForce 940MX which is also super weak.
errant hare
Best way to find out is to actually play the game
stoic halo
was there an upload size limit just put in for the quest.
because im literally just like .02 above it
faint skiff
The Quest has very limited storage, so yes.
languid beacon
Quest needs a longer built in battery imho
indigo fern
Tape some powerbanks to your head
languid beacon
I mean that’s a solution I just don’t think it should be an extra expense. I am admittedly hard to please
errant hare
Quest is already cheap considering what you get for $400
I wouldn't be surprised if Oculus was taking a loss by selling 64GB version
ruby needle
They're definitely not taking a loss.
Android base platforms arent too expensive and the whole package isnt too bad, having it all in one does simplify quite some things
elfin cloak
is there a world where i can copy paste text to empty field
i mean i type something in my notepad and then i paste it into some vrchat's
world that has ability to paste copied text
broken plover
worlds with video players. You can paste something in the url bar
elfin cloak
oh that's a good idea
i will try that
thanks
but wait...
are other people will be able to see what i paste?
indigo fern
The vket3 worlds and some other jp worlds have a menu with a text chat
No, others can't see what you paste in video URLs
elfin cloak
oh shit
i just want to paste some textual instruction's how to fix youtube dl
to someone who dont use discord and i need to translate it to language my friend understand
and that person dont know to use youtube and google property
so i need to do everything manual for them
yes it's strange
but i need to help
because i am the only one who can see video in imax and other's can't
but if i go to kareeda i dont see but other's can
broken plover
to fix kareeda'n'chill you can try to clear you cache btw. It says that on the map
elfin cloak
i did but it wont work
indigo fern
Yea, his map doesn't need the YouTube download because it doesn't use YouTube
elfin cloak
but 4 or 5 months ago i was able to see it
but now i dont
so it's useless to use vpn
because before it worked but now it wont work
broken plover
For me it once just wouldnt load. So I cleared my cache outside of VRC and then rejoined my friends and everything worked
elfin cloak
i wish this to be so simple for me too
but it's not
indigo fern
either way, his world doesnt use youtube, so its probably a different solution
elfin cloak
yeah
because it pull's from other source
indigo fern
mhm, so getting the youtube dl would do nothing
elfin cloak
on that world nothing and other worlds similar like that one
but on video youtube players that fix will work
...
i wish that vrchat in future create's some
mirroring (A-V) audio-video display panel
so if i see and hear but others can't...
i can simply mirror what i see and hear to them
so everyone will be able to hear and see what i experience
languid beacon
Yeah I love the simplicity and all in one-ness of a quest, that’s why I’m against adding a power bank it feels like it ruins some of the simplicity. That’s why I’m really hoping for a revision with a longer battery.
I’m sure it will happen eventually. If not quest then whatever their next platform is
I do feel like tetherless VR is the future, mobile chips just need to evolve more
errant hare
For how long can Quest run VRChat?
lunar shell
I feel we really need headsets that can do mobile and PC wirelessly natively.
languid beacon
Quest will last about 2 hours on a full charge running pretty much any app, including VRChat
errant hare
Your wish for having larger battery is understandable
languid beacon
However now the oculus is going to support the quest as a proper wireless PCVR headset, which will drain the battery a bit faster
vocal shard
There's a new third-party headstrap with a built in battery. It seems neat
The Oculus link cable is supposed to charge the headset though while playing on PC
lunar shell
My neck is too sensitive for all that battery weight sadly.
mossy fable
I need friends on vrchat T^T
vocal shard
HI
mossy fable
oh hewwo ^-^
languid beacon
Carmack confirmed a wireless option as well @vocal shard
vocal shard
Yeah I heard about that ^^
Like they said... This is the quest generation of VR. Lol
languid beacon
I’m interested in this third party strap . Will it still fit in the traveling case?
vocal shard
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.roadtovr.com/vrngry-power-pack-oculus-quest-battery/amp/
@languid beacon I guess I read it wrong. It's not a headbad, but a battery pack designed for the quest
boreal violet
@lunar shell While i dont have a quest i thing that a counterweight is the number one comfort upgrade for any VR hmd because it moves the balance point from your to the top of your head instead of on your forehead.
A balanced load is a lot more comfortable than an unbalanced one so i really recommend you try just hanging something on the back of the headstrap during a play session, you may find its easier on your neck than the having the center of gravity sticking out and weighing the front of your head down.
Most people have something with a belt clip and that can be a free and easy way to try it:
http://www.dautac.nl/images/multitool_counterweight.jpg
https://external-preview.redd.it/7bZBq761vTywZtM42v8-CAovaEM1N9CHY_yw8gnVVOc.jpg?auto=webp&s=d215ca02772b072c5f51e27cac54972d8e257242
A counter weight that also increases playtime (power bank) would be a win-win in my book.
lunar shell
I tried that already with the battery for the Vive wireless. It's just too much weight overall.
But yeah, good idea for most people.
boreal violet
i guess the quest is heavier than most and so would need more counterweight
shame it didnt fit for you
maybe youll strengthen your neck playing 😉
languid beacon
The quest still felt lighter than DK2 for what that is worth
Slightly heavier than cv1 but not really an issue
vocal shard
That's probably due to the strap, because the dk2 was lighter. But the strap didn't support to well
I remember my dk2 feels quite loose in comparison
mossy fable
i'm good
grand willow
Did the old Adam robot skin get removed from the vrchat avatars?
languid beacon
Old ones were moved to the Legacy Avatars category. Is he there?
I don’t know the one you mean
grand willow
No I dont think he is. It was a robot from a Unity Tech film called adam
lyric sphinx
there isn't a channel for looking for friends or asking people to Join a world you're in?
meager solstice
no there is not
lyric sphinx
disappointing
indigo fern
You could just ask here if you really wanted
tired socket
I do at times. mostly in friends+ lobbies though
indigo fern
Yea, I have one friend who's been playing werewolf since I've met them like a year ago
lyric sphinx
sweet. i played a while ago but recent i've been playing vr chat again and either people dont want to play seriously or a game doesnt ever get started. i had 2 games ysterday that got stopped because someone hacked the lobbie so it lagged to high hell
lofty mortar
how do you launch worlds in vr chat
pseudo basalt
You can login to the website and launch into one from there
Or do it from the ingame menu?
pseudo basalt
Hm, not sure then
Have you launched the game before? It should associate vrchat links with the game
lofty mortar
okay i just got into a world but i cant move lol
grand willow
@meager solstice No that wasnt it
spice epoch
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/337679085599850499/631715270561628164/unknown.png?width=1060&height=663
Can anyone tell me what does this sign means 🚫 next to my microphone.
Other people hear me so it is not a mute
torn nebula
@spice epoch it means someone started a votekick (of someone else), open your quick menu and there should be an icon at the top of the person being votekicked, click that and hit accept/decline to vote
if more than half of the people in the instance vote accept, the person will be kicked
spice epoch
oooh okay
a policeman was assaulted by a criminal 😄 Probably he tried to escape with a vote kick
thanks
vocal shard
Ooh
slate verge
Would love to see the whole titanic experience in vrchat though along with your friends through the corridors
heady copper
^This is a great idea. Quick support question: Every time I enter a world, my microphone is muted by default. I can open my quick menu and unmute it pretty easily, but is there any way to have it unmuted by default? All my mic settings seem to be in order.
snow wadi
In the settings menu there should be an option labeled Microphone mute or off by default, if I'm not mistaken.
tranquil cobalt
<@&397642795457970181>
indigo fern
Delet
snow wadi
Wtf was that?!
indigo fern
Dunno, guy said he was gonna end himself and said he had fun
Account was already deleted
snow wadi
If he was serious then he needs professional help.
indigo fern
He said he'd do it today, this was like a last note it sounded like
snow wadi
I really hope that's not the case.
snow wadi
That would defeat the purpose of the platform.
lunar cedar
How so? A lot of people with difficulty speaking would probably appreciate it.
lyric sphinx
yeah with a text chat on your avatar's arm or in a heads up display would be great!
not to mention bout it could be easier in desktop mode
yeah, but it doesn't change thoy it would be helpful or useful
lunar cedar
I wish I could read avatar pens, it's scribbles from almost everyone.
lyric sphinx
my only real gripe with vr chat at the moment is when people use big avatars or their avatar has effects that hurt your eyes or ear rape or cover up the screen
lunar cedar
Safety settings remedy that pretty effectively
I usually just take my time to know if someone is trouble before I show their avatar.
lyric sphinx
not really, it gets tireing when you are only able to see like 2 avatars
lunar cedar
You only need to hide shaders and animations to protect from those
indigo fern
There are jp menus with text chat in them
I didn't like the menu in vket3, the text chat itself was cool
lunar cedar
Yea, that menu seemed pretty buggy. I never tried the chat though
indigo fern
I just didn't like it opening and staying there every time you pressed the menu button
lyric sphinx
mostlyWhat i've done lately is Hide specific People's avatar. unless you're in the big PUT and someone's avatar effects Jump Floors
indigo fern
Got in the way of camera plenty of times
lyric sphinx
JP menus?
indigo fern
Assuming it's a prefab among their community, seen it in a couple places including the vket3 worlds
rigid crescent
it's a prefab, i think it's liek 3 bucks or something
lyric sphinx
What is vket3 ?
indigo fern
It was a virtual market a couple weeks ago
lunar cedar
Lot of really nice models and components up for display/sale
lyric sphinx
i don't know all the terms for this, LOL
rigid crescent
Virtual Market is a trade and exhibition convention held in Virtual Reality where attendees can freely browse, try on and purchase 3D virtual avatars or apparel. Virtual Market was created in the hopes of enriching and pushing the boundaries of Virtual Reality. Virtual Market 2 hosted 403 booths, each featuring a variety of virtual contents ranging from avatars to accessories for sale. Held on VRChat, Virtual Market is accessible by anyone, anywhere simply by logging into the virtual world. This ease of access attracted a staggering 120,000 visitors to Virtual Market 2. From VR to E-Commerce, we have received sponsorship from companies spanning various fields. Come join us as we explore a new budding market!
lyric sphinx
there's a virtual market in vrchat? -
rigid crescent
there was an event, yes
indigo fern
It was the 3rd event as the name implies, here's one of the trailers for it if you wanna watch
https://youtu.be/_c9kWCOwvx4
lunar cedar
7/11 was there too
indigo fern
Well, 3rd main event, not including that summer one
This time it was a big boy event, lots of sponsors
rigid crescent
7/11 was one of the sponsors, im guessing a large one considering their presence and the fact it's japan
lyric sphinx
thats tight, maybe its worth checking out for me, i was thinking Of having a custom avatar. i really want an avatar of Paul mccartney though, LOL
indigo fern
Yea, in the main hub world they had a sponsor section to see all of them
lyric sphinx
Did the event Look like an actual convention?
rigid crescent
yep, tons of worlds and booths to explore
lyric sphinx
that's lit
hollow sluice
Must have been an amazing experience
indigo fern
not like a convention, in that trailer it shows the locations
rigid crescent
it's more like a comiket specifically. every creator having their own booth some sharing one, all displaying thier works. shaders, models, and other types of assets
hollow sluice
I didnt go because I pike having more than 7fps