And when you lay down, you no longer break your neck, but you now break your back
#vrchat-general-2
indigo fern
rigid crescent
lol
fluid bloom
seems about right
shut crescent
Hey what do you do if someone gets so salty and decides to leech off your internet just to piss u off?
languid beacon
Change the WiFi password?
slate verge
yeah just change wifi password
snow wadi
And if you have no control of the router, inform your parents/guardians.
fluid bloom
that should do it yea
stoic halo
or block their mac address from the router just to be funny
modern rapids
Has anyone made any models of the characters from Katawa Shoujo?
opaque hawk
I personally haven’t seen any
modern rapids
Neither, but that is one of my favourite series of all time. So I wanted to ask.
night pike
Has there been any new info on when non-index controllers get gesture toggle? It's one feature I'm really waiting for. I haven't seen anyone mention anything about emulating index either with steamvr input emulator. Asking as it would make things much easier if someone has already the settings ready for that purpose.
languid beacon
Would also be nice if we could put a bit of spread on certain index gestures, they look a bit on-rails compared to oculus
Peace and open hand I feel should spread out a little
modern rapids
Emi is best girl IMO. Rin is probably worst girl for me, too spacey. Couldn't stand her.
ruby burrow
indigo fern
Ah, squishy is cultured 🙏
modern rapids
Well if she's got her prosthetics on she can stand. Not to mention she can run.
hushed drift
whats the usual amout of time you have to spend in vrchat before you can upload stuff?
and how much longer, if at all, to do worlds compared to avatars?
fluid bloom
it took me like 7h but it depends on what you do
you need to talk and make friends and do actual stuff if ur afk it wont work
rigid crescent
Anywhere between 4 and 40 hours, it all depends on how you play
should be the same rank to do both though
hushed drift
make friends?
rigid crescent
https://docs.vrchat.com/docs/vrchat-safety-and-trust-system it's all in the documentation really
Regardless, the best way to raise your Rank is simply to play VRChat — spending time exploring, making friends, and creating content (once you are permitted to do so) will all help you increase your Trust Rank...
hushed drift
ill just continue to be patient i guess
hey, are those avatars that distort everyone elses view allowed?
fluid bloom
mope
hushed drift
like the ones that play loud dubstep and zoom you in and out of their effects
fluid bloom
crashers
hushed drift
oh, so i can report them, neat
tawny ore
I got crashed once.... ONCE.... that guy doesn't own a router anymore.... just a hunk of plastic.
fluid bloom
lol
hushed drift
welp ima go rack up my hours and have some fun using voice changers
those are allowed also right?
tawny ore
Sadpone its better without a voice changer
You get into a lot more interesting situations
hushed drift
my larynx is kaput
tawny ore
I don't speak larynx
tawny ore
No I literally don't know what a larynx is xD
hushed drift
(my throat hurts, my voice box is inflamed)
hushed drift
nah, sinus infection that got my throat on the way out
tawny ore
That sounds like a horrible existence. I'm sorry for your vocal loss.
hushed drift
itle go if i can just not cough for a day
ive downed so much cough syrup but its not working well
im super woozy
fluid bloom
:/
tawny ore
In view a humble vaudevillian veteran, cast vicareously as both the victim and villain by the vicissitudes of fate. This visage, no mere veneer of vanity is a vestige of the vox populi now vacant... vanished.
hushed drift
its the sort of cough that self perpetuates itself, its super sensitive and makes the normal amount of flem, along with the inflamation feel like im always on the verge of choking
and the coughs aggravate it and keep it that way
tawny ore
Tea with honey and lemon
hushed drift
thats never ever helped me
fluid bloom
what do doctors say
hushed drift
not when it counted anyway
good for preventing relapse without needing codeine
anywho, im off, ttyl
fluid bloom
aight get good soon
uncut crag
the screen on my windows mixed reality isnt displaying anything and the mixed reality app keeps crashing
well it gives me an error code but still I am terrified
the screen is black but steamvr still works and the tracking still functions
vestal pier
Sounds like your screen is knackered
vocal shard
I remember there was an issue with amd driver's doing that to wmr over a year ago
uncut crag
I have nvidia
Dont OC your gpu with a vr headset plugged in
God
why am I so dumby stupid
fluid bloom
dont say that :)
uncut crag
So i restarted again and everything is a ok
never ocing ever again for this card lol
Cant take that risk
fluid bloom
👍
snow wadi
@rough pulsar Thanks again for letting me hang out with you, you're always a joy to talk to! ❤
vocal shard
Jelly. Lol
fluid bloom
jamie ish ok :)
cold talon
no, you are jam
vocal shard
fluid bloom
peanut butter*
vocal shard
vocal shard
Lol
fluid bloom
hey
howcome theres like 13 "active chat mods" but i only see 3 in chat
fluid bloom
yesss?
vocal shard
They're there to show that they are ready to help if needed ^^
rigid crescent
the active is really "active" chat mods
vocal shard
Night
fluid bloom
ty
bai
molten temple
i have no idea if my mic is working
vernal forge
Look at mirror and try talking ?
wise perch
^
rigid crescent
welcome to the sit squad
analog schooner
Does anyone else think 2-factor security asking you to input your code every time you login is kind of annoying?
It's especially a hassle when in VR.
tawny ore
I never set it up so I will pretend this issue does not exist and will absolutely disagree with anyone who thinks its an issue... until I have a sip of this coffee.
Aaahhh... that's a lot better. Yeah 2-FA with such aggressive setup is annoying.
analog schooner
Every other service I've used including this only asks for it once per computer
tawny ore
Put that into suggestions - Link accounts with current 2-FA code to device.
analog schooner
Good idea.
tawny ore
With say, a weekly reset.
analog schooner
Thank you
neon flume
For 2FA I’ve mostly avoided the issue by linking my steam account with my vrc account. I log in via steam which means I can skip 2FA login but my account is still secured. It’s not a great solution but it works for now 🤷
analog schooner
Ah right.
neon flume
Though it would be nice to have it only prompt for 2fa on an unfamiliar device/location with normal vrc logins.
ruby needle
Well, it has 2 doors now tho.
neon flume
Gotta have an emergency exit 
ruby needle
As long as there is no unlink option, I'd stay away from that convenience
grave ruin
hello everyone
vocal shard
sleep sucks
true sky
sucks worse when using the website as you have to enter it every time
better to just have "remember device for 30 days"
vocal shard
hi i can chat
hushed drift
just to confirm, repeatedly uploading an avatar from unity to vr chat, thats the only way to debug an avatar isnt it, theres no way to test it wiithout loading and playing it on vrchats, in any sort of offline capacity right?
specifically this is regarding testing scripts and animations
still lark
Depends on what you wanna test, but yeah, essentially.
rigid crescent
scripts are all removed
still lark
The spatial audio is a script and that's not removed!
rigid crescent
minus a few whitelisted
rigid crescent
yup
hushed drift
can any animations be tied to your controller?
like, buttons
press left A or right A to execute something in particular
also if scripts arent allowed, why is it ive seen shark avatars that force grab my view no matter where i am or how im facing, and look at their avatar zoomed in like 5x
still lark
Not a script
hushed drift
or those ones that lock an image into my view
because thats interactive, its not just an empty graphic rolling out
my headset view is locked to that, how can someone do something like that purely with animated graphics?
theres seriously no code or anything that can possibly carry over? or are these peoplpe perhaps using exploits of sorts to get those in?
tawny ore
Sadpone how's the voicebox
hushed drift
hurtz
ok so, there is code, thats exactly what i meant
can avatars execute code
also, i just played my kobold avatar, the mouth doesnt animate 😦
its not lip synced, it just randomly opens sometimes if i tilt my head
limber lynx
Just had an amazing night with some random people. In a world that seems less and less genuine each day, it’s nice to still be able to make a connection with someone.
This is why I keep coming back to VRChat
hushed drift
ill have to check but im pretty sure i defined the jaw to lipsync
yup. in the muscle control i can specifically control it
stuck canyon
Hello! I’d like to learn how to create avatars for VRchat . Is there a link to learn quickly ?
hushed drift
no
what is your starting point?
people either rip models from games, extract models whole, from games, or make from scratch
i ripped a model from a 3DS game
stuck canyon
I know the basics of unity in terms of making an avatar
hushed drift
@stuck canyon basically youll want to apply "cats" script in blender on a model with bones
then get the vrchat sdk
stuck canyon
The avatars should be human realistic . How feasible is that in VRchat ?
hushed drift
apply a descriptor to the model, and its all pretty much automatic
depends on your definition of realistic
your limited to 20K triangles i believe though so, anything goes within those parameters
stuck canyon
@hushed drift so I should use blender ?
hushed drift
i would say that unless the model is already properly made its neccesary
stuck canyon
@hushed drift I’m not an engineer/graphics designed , so I need sth easy and practical
hushed drift
i used blender for the first time 3 days ago, it took me maybe 4 hours to figure it out, now i can do the entire process within minutes
you install a plugin into blender, import the model, apply the plugin , and your done
stuck canyon
Can I use 3D models already scanned with a 3D scanner?
hushed drift
i took a wile because the script messed with my avatars texture
yeah but youll have to apply bones
not hard. but time consuming id bet
stuck canyon
So I can import the model from any platform ?
hushed drift
through blender, yeah, blender will take almost anythinng, heck even STL files
stuck canyon
I mean there is no way/software to/Sdk to do this via VR chat
stuck canyon
I think if you use the VRchat sdk in unity , you can make your own stuff . I’m aware it’s a game
hushed drift
yes, i said before, you use the sdk in unity
but its rather limited
you still have to run it through blender
or something similar
catagorically it is
but VRapps arent a thing yet
stuck canyon
“Game “ in the sense you cant create/develop sth while being in the platform
hushed drift
sth?
stuck canyon
I mean there are games you can develop activities /items while collaborating with others in VR
@hushed drift thanks for all info !
vocal shard
meanwhile the game is constantly crashing like nobodies business
whats worse, the desyncing or just straight up crashing
polar jasper
Not had any issues with the game crashing. So that is your end.
Desync yes, but that is being worked on and is getting better
vocal shard
just wanna handle a huge crowed and not desync to death
viscid seal
same as phaxe, I haven't crashed as much in the past month or two although desync is annoying 😛
languid beacon
Yeah that’s not just the website. Happens for SDK as well
ornate shale
Anyone do commissions? I need the skeleton on my avatar fixed up. Rigging needs a little TLC. Paying with paypal or steam wallet.
snow wadi
There is a discord named VRC Traders, perhaps that will be more suited for your needs.
ornate shale
Thanks!
stoic halo
@hushed drift your mouth opens when you move your head because your Jaw bone is linked to another bone in Unity possibly
bfs model did the same thing the other day because the Jaw was binded to one of the hair bones.
languid beacon
The top four shape keys need to be your four eyelid blinking shape keys. If anything else is in the top four (like some visiemes) they will be used for blinking. And, since the eyes close a little when your eyes look down , and since your eyes look down when you tilt your head up, that leads to jaw opening when you look up if your shape keys are out of order.
rancid gulch
How can you make your skin last forever
languid beacon
I don’t. Understand the question.
tall mica
inner cape
what help are you waiting for?
slate verge
@umbral reef cuz funny i can use it 
indigo fern
Nitro boosters can use emotes anywhere
slate verge
well okay that makes sense
indigo fern
Unintentional flex, but okay
long stag
those there have explored avatar worlds. any avatar worlds you can recommend for those seeking weird and odd avatars there make people think wtf.
tawny ore
don't mind me... just flexin' .... 
vocal shard
Nice
slate verge
@tidal meadow nice! you don't see that opportunity everyday
even i would've bought it, but i'm a sucker for vive
tidal meadow
Yeah I was just looking at the ones on bid and wow snagged that one
slate verge
slate verge
just 16 more days and then i'll have enough for the vive
languid beacon
Vive is kinda overpriced for what you get atm imho
opaque hawk
Hopefully the rift you bought is without issues
spiral seal
@slate verge poggy
languid beacon
1.0 base stations are kind of a technological dead-end
opaque hawk
$500 is overpriced for a headset in a modular and upgradeable ecosystem. Nah fam
languid beacon
If vive came with 2.0 base stations or was compatible with 2.0 tracking I would agree with you
slate verge
if anything i feel as though wmr's are more rip off's though i never bought one so i can't say i hate it
languid beacon
But for now owning 1.0 base stations puts you in a bad place for upgrading
vocal shard
It's hard to recommend because, you pay $500 for a system that is "upgradable", but the headset is behind the competition, the controllers are too, and the base stations are already being replaced. So I think that's what adeon is getting at
vestal sleet
Vive not worth
slate verge
so what do you suggest? straight onto the index?
cuz i sure as heck ain't paying for an oculus that doesn't have fbt
vestal sleet
The only upgrade u get is that u can purchase kunckles without buying the other stuff
vocal shard
If that's your end goal, I would say so
snow wadi
How long did it take you to save up for the Vive?
vestal sleet
I mean what is ur upgrade plan if u want to upgrade
slate verge
to fbt end goal
vocal shard
If you want to use the Vive as it is with full body, it is still good. It's the idea of buying a Vive for the purpose of upgrading to an index that I like people to take a second look
languid beacon
It’s fine for now but in the future when there is hardware that can only use 2.0 tracking, they will not be comparable with vive classic as it cannot use 2.0 tracking
modern sand
Get an index !
vestal sleet
Ya vive for full body is fine , vive to upgrade to index is kind of bad
There is also hybird
snow wadi
Ewwo @modern sand o/
vocal shard
The Ruubick has spoken!
slate verge
@modern sand unless we have proper reviews about the index controllers about breaking, i'd consider it. People says its easily broken, yet others says it does not.
snow wadi
Wait am I allowed to ping you? o.o;
slate verge
so what is the truth behind it
modern sand
languid beacon
In agreement with ruuubick... just waiting to see reviews on newer indices I have the money set aside already
modern sand
Yeah I don't mind pings lol
snow wadi
vestal sleet
Ruuubick what is ur role
vocal shard
The truth.... Every headset had it's own issues 
modern sand
The index is too good to pass
vestal sleet
R u a dev
modern sand
I'm QA
snow wadi
'es a wizard
vestal sleet
Oh I see
modern sand
I've been told that makes me a dev
vestal sleet
Close enough
slate verge
@vocal shard true, but was it because of people being careless with their controllers? or is it people just trying to bad mouth the index
modern sand
Get the index just for the audio, it's magical
languid beacon
I hear it’s also comfy
modern sand
I've never heard of controllers breaking
vestal sleet
Btw remember index is kind of hard to drive on VRchat
modern sand
Not super comfy, but it's alright
slate verge
the index headset i can vouch for from what i heard
vestal sleet
I think
snow wadi
BTW Ruu I'm working on expanding the Armacham Technologies world.
opaque hawk
Index mic sound like a industry standard live performances microphone, headphones are awesome too.
modern sand
Nice !
snow wadi
But I'm having and issue with an animation for a helicopter.
modern sand
It is ! 144hz is mind-blowing
slate verge
i just need more reviews on the controller and then i'll fully move onto the index i swear
but for now as it stands, vive it is for a budget afford
vestal sleet
I just need them to come to Canada
opaque hawk
From what I heard the index controllers seem to the weak link.
languid beacon
I can spend all day in a classic rift and not get tired so comfortableness for unhealthy long Adeon-has-a-problem all day sessions is important to me
modern sand
I mean, we knew the index controllers would never be as sturdy as the wands
But that's a design trade-off
snow wadi
I can spend hours with my rift s.
languid beacon
Wands are probably made of nintendium
modern sand
Yeah, Nokia 3000 material
slate verge
kinda hard to pinpoint preferences
snow wadi
I get to rub @rough pulsar amazing hair for a long time xD
vocal shard
snow wadi
His hair is HD af lol
modern sand
Hours of uninterrupted head patting 
opaque hawk
I’ll upgrade my vive once a hybrid headset exists. I want the consistent head tracking of wmr with the quality hand tracking of the vive/index
slate verge
okay answer me this, does it feel better to headpat with index controller or the vive controller?
languid beacon
Touch controllers are also unstoppable forces that will make touch controller-shaped holes in their spacetime worldline
vocal shard
Well, index you let go of the controller and just open your hand. Vive you squeeze your hand to headpat
vestal sleet
Wait
slate verge
Hm.....
modern sand
Yeah the wands are just a block of plastic, the index controllers feel like an extension of your hand
snow wadi
I just let go of all buttons and stick for headpats. :3
slate verge
are they though?
modern sand
So for headpat purposes, the index wins
vestal sleet
When will it come to Canada
slate verge
vestal sleet
Big sad
modern sand
Just my opinion after two years of Vive and a couple months of index
vocal shard
Never. We Canadians are forgotten
snow wadi
Have someone order it for you from the states and then ship it to you.
That's what Linus did
vocal shard
Will still be over $1500 cad 
Personally, I can't justify that for playing one VR game. Lol
modern sand
Just move to another country 
languid beacon
Vive / Index / classic rift are external volumetric tracking. With lighthouse being slightly more responsive than classic rift. Personally I find Rift S / quest to be even more responsive than lighthouse. But I don’t like the limited tracking space.
slate verge
oh yeah and theres that too, limited spacing
snow wadi
Well I was at the community meetup and the tracking space didn't feel limited at all to me.
vestal sleet
Import and shipping fee is a killer
Also like
The part I dont like about inside out is that
It is harder to look up and don
vocal shard
How?
snow wadi
...huh? How is it harder?
umbral reef
Meanwhile we got me who just dislikes the facebook platform for VR... 👀
vestal sleet
I mean tracking wise
languid beacon
For offline game without mirrors you don’t notice the limited tracking spaces because it covers your full vision and then some. But with VRChat mirrors you can see your hands reflections even when you can’t see your hands so it becomes obvious when they are out of range
vocal shard
I knowz but how. I have wmr and don't have that issue
vestal sleet
If I am on the floor it will lose tracking atleast when I had wmr
snow wadi
I have no idea which headset has that issue because I know it isn't the rift s.
vestal sleet
Like if I am actually on the floor
The wmr wouldn't work
Or on my bed looking towards the ceiling
snow wadi
Yeah rift s doesn't have that issue
vocal shard
Rift S has five cameras, so it can track even if some are occluded. As for wmr, it would need some points of reference. For example of your walls and ceiling are almost the same colour/tone without any objects to track, I can see that happening if laying on your back
snow wadi
I laid down on several occasions.
languid beacon
If quest could see Pc VRChat content I’d recommend it over everything else
snow wadi
I still wouldn't recommend it.
vestal sleet
Well
snow wadi
2 hours battery life is nothing to be happy about.
vestal sleet
I mean jamie
If u r on the floor
Face down ass up your camera won't be able to see anything
Cuz they r touching the floor
languid beacon
We just need a beefier standalone headset. I think it’s the right direction
vestal sleet
Now don't ask me why people r in that position
vocal shard
Yeah... But I don't go in that position in VR. XD
vestal sleet
😖
snow wadi
Um...
vocal shard
snow wadi
Why would...huh...
modern sand
umbral reef
thats an edge case though
umbral reef
Cant really blame a system for things that out of the norm
snow wadi
I pick up objects in the world with my knees.
That is actually the CORRECT way of picking anything up, both in VR and in the real world.
modern sand
Qhala you can ask questions about your animation in the prefabs discord btw
vocal shard
True, in that case inside out has it's limits. Places where it does shine though is tracking where sensors would be occluded. For example, my uncle was playing job simulator. He started crawling across the ground and under a table. My rift wouldn't be able to track under something like that. Again, that's an edge case though
snow wadi
Oh yeah I forgot about that D:
modern sand
also how tf do you pick up objects with your knees
slate verge
magic
snow wadi
You bend your knees? o.o/
vestal sleet
Also my bed is a nice place
snow wadi
How do you folks pick up boxes for example?
umbral reef
Just get the WMR Bed Edition (TM)
snow wadi
Also WMR is starting to phase out because Lenovo designed the rift s the way they wanted to with WMR.
I think the last good one (not sure if it's even stable right now) is the last one HP released, the Reverb.
vestal sleet
The real question is should I. Buy no man sky
snow wadi
Depends.
umbral reef
Thats what im asking myself also tenten. reading a fair bit of good but also meh stuff about it
snow wadi
I play it because I like to chillax in space and mine minerals...and maybe pew pew a creature or two...and then get into a pirate dog fight...and then die a horrible death...oh god.
At least my base is cozy, it's right next to a giant mech-like sentinel that makes disturbing noises at night.
snow wadi
It even peeks into my window every now and then if I'm inside.
languid beacon
I think it’s more of a “bend down with your knees not your back” thing not grasping and picking up objects by squeezing them with your knees
snow wadi
^
Adeon knows what's up, some folks here have some interesting kinks >_>;;;
I hide nao.
umbral reef
I wonder, has anything changed for the podcasts/RP video's and ect after the audio update?
sturdy lantern
poor
rigid crescent
with index controllers is there a mapping that lets you not have to constantly grip to hold something in vrc? 🤔
opaque hawk
@night night said he found a good alt mapping
cold talon
But muh immersion
opaque hawk
You still have hold it, but it’s more comfortable
cold talon
How is it by default? Do you have to apply force or just capacitive?
night night
I altered the grip values to reduce likelihood of accidentally activating grip, it is not perfect but it helps (Profile name: Properly Named Functions). If you are looking to not have to touch the grip at all to keep holding something, then you can rebind grip to the "Use as toggle" system, making each squeeze of the grip open and close your hand in game.
@cold talon The default, "Use as Grab" system is a hybrid system that switches between using the capacitive sensors and force sensors based on the speed your hands are moving.
cold talon
Intresting
night night
It is a clever system, but several design choices of VRChat make this system a bit less optimal. Primarily, grip also can be used for interact and pickups+interacts can be triggered from several feet away, making it a bit too easy to accidentally sit in a chair or pickup some object from across the room.
frosty wagon
i haven't played vrchat in a pretty long time. how's everything going lately?
good i hope
merry heath
can anyone like give me advice
rigid crescent
is it vrchat, unity, or blender advice
merry heath
vrchat
rigid crescent
then probably 
merry heath
every single world is muted and everyones character is a white robot lmao it was working fine earlier
vernal forge
!online
floral flaxBOT
There are 6718 users in VRChat currently
fluid bloom
while i dont know what the problem could be i suggest you also send a ticket in case nobody here can help you
well atleast they will
vestal pier
What OS are you on?
GPU?
Nvidia, amd??
Drivers up to date?
And the pc is treating your headset like its just a screen, right?
as in displaying the monitor badly inside the headset
Okay
Does the usb make the connection sound when plugged in?
The HMD
DP wont make a sound, typically
and is it recognised as a device in your device manager?
fluid bloom
you might be using the wrong display port
vestal pier
Oh yeah, you are plugging it into your GPU right?
fluid bloom
nvm then
vestal pier
No, no
You dont need vive port, but in the mean time while we try to solve it you should absolutely put a ticket in with Valve
fluid bloom
^
vestal pier
Truthfully, no. It sounds like an issue with your windows and how its treating the hmd, if you are correct and you have everything plugged into the right place it should work but windows wont let it
Different drivers and stuff.
Tech is messy, its a miracle anything works. @rough pulsar has an index, and is far smarter than i. He might be able to help, sorry to tap out so quick
fluid bloom
hey asis i only today noticed you made the crafty climbers thingy when i was there
and did you make some of the avatars that are in the hub?
vestal pier
I did make some of the new default quest avatars that appear in the hub yes
umbral reef
Wait ya did?
vestal pier
yea
umbral reef
Dope
fluid bloom
wow
Howcome you dont apply for staff or something?
vestal pier
They dont need a lowly artist like me 😢
fluid bloom
ur not lowly
ur aswesome :D
I didnt even realise that you made the stuff you did untill a few hours ago :>
vestal pier
Well thank you. The real reason is that they dont need any more staff haha
Theyre doing fine as they are
fluid bloom
:)
rigid crescent
is that THE creator of Olive?
They did mention they'd be throwing up more jobs I think
fluid bloom
mic
stream
im bored :/
rigid crescent
lol i dont think that'd hlep
fluid bloom
wdym
rigid crescent
because im too lazy to stream and it would be me scrolling through memes
fluid bloom
i'd watch it
rigid crescent
and watching drunk history
which i dont think i can stream
but mostly because im too lazy
fluid bloom
feel ya
fluid bloom
quick flex
vestal pier
💪 😒
rigid crescent
i know, olive is just my favorite still, i'll just hop into it from time to time
also its my designated "swap in and out to recalibrate my full body" avatar
vestal pier
does it work in fbt?
umbral reef
so whens mic meme revieuw gonna happen?
modern sand
She works great in fbt
vestal pier
i didnt bother to set up fbt stuff because they are quest avatars
and i assumed quest users will never do fbt
modern sand
I also use it to calibrate, it's handy
fluid bloom
gj asis :)
modern sand
Just wait until they find a way
rigid crescent
a friend attempted to by streaming the game to the headset with whatever the hell it is people use
there was a lot of interference or lag or whatever, but this was right around the time to quest dropped so theres probably an easier way now
vestal pier
Theyll figure something out
languid beacon
Quest avatars should be full body fixed. Pc users can wear them with full body, and quest users won’t see it properly unless they are set up right
ruby needle
i think a good general saying would be: keep the rig the same as the pc version, only change appearance. (Except maybe reducing hair bones and such to a single one cus no physics anyway)
i dont see why you'd ever want to even have a different rig for the main parts, unless you literally replace it with a completely different model
fluid bloom
reads in unity newbie
vestal pier
I made them for quest users, i just didnt consider FBT at all, im lazy @languid beacon
ruby needle
It's simple.
When Rig A = Rig B then all is good
But if it's different then Rig A != Rig A²
Or in other words when the root of Rig A != Rig A
@fluid bloom
vestal pier
Yes, simple.
fluid bloom
...
oh yeahhhhhh i get it now tottaly haha epic 👌
i appreciate you trying to help but im rarted
it took me 3h to import the sdk into unity xD
but in my defense i somehow downloaded the wrong one
then bee from some other server helped
:)
ruby needle
Glad I could help. Quick maths are the solution to many problems.
fluid bloom
is paul secretly big shaq?
tranquil cobalt
vocal shard
why are there quest specific avatars?
ruby needle
Cus it's a different platform (android)
vocal shard
oohhhh
ruby needle
Not to mention that the hardware is a lot less powerful
vocal shard
i was thinking of a different quest
fluid bloom
?
ruby needle
Yes yes my lord. That quest awaits you too.
ruby needle
And with that stupid joke I'll call it for today. Headpat ya later 
inner cape
cirHuh
fluid bloom
i think they dont have full on 100% sync
but if you extended them they will in game
if you bend them in weird ways they wont do it in game
for example
fluid bloom
try different avatar
vestal pier
Is it like that ONLY in vrchat?
fluid bloom
again that could be because of the avatar's hands
languid beacon
One minor pet peeve I have for quest avatars, you aren’t limited to 5000 on the PC version! Please feel free to round out some of the more rough edges on the PC version if you want you can use up to 32K and still be perfectly excellent!
vestal pier
Designing for the quest makes it difficult to just ADD more polies to your avatar, but i understand that most people design for PC then quest.
languid beacon
Subdivide is easy 😄
vestal pier
Subdivide != looks better
languid beacon
Obviously you only need it to smooth out some curves or stuff
vestal pier
Most of the time its not worth it though, having to reuv after designing the character already
low poly to high poly is super backwards
your advice rings true for pc to quest though. high poly to low poly is standard
languid beacon
Subdivide looks great on curves - just make sure to actually use it’s curviness parameter otherwise it just splits the mesh and looks identical
vestal pier
I mean sure, but i probably wont
languid beacon
Like I said it’s just minor nbd. No need to make of Avis’s low poly just because quest
To Pc users, quest compatible avatars don’t need to have the low quality stereotype
vestal pier
Low quality != low poly 😦
languid beacon
There’s been at least two different times a quest user pointed at me, said “well I can see him” and then a PC user goes “what?!that’s quest compatible?”
vestal pier
Because they dont see the quest version
languid beacon
I know but it’s moreso that no one realizes they can even BE different
rigid crescent
the be fair, most VRC players are idiots anyway
i still meet people who haven't learned of features from patches ages ago
vestal pier
People like to whine but not keep up to date
rigid crescent
i don't expect most people to know anything about what goes into making an avatar as far as modeling work goes
languid beacon
The biggest complaint I see about VR chat supporting quest is “it’s going to reduce the quality of content” and it’s entirely uncessaryb
rigid crescent
lol yeah because the ones making all he |Quest content are PC users
vestal pier
Might be people being idiots, but also a lack of clear communication
rigid crescent
the patch notes and updates couldn't be easier to find though. Discord, Steam, probably oculus store, twitter, etc
ingame lik they mentioned woudl be nice
vestal pier
All info should be in game ideally
rigid crescent
I forgot if it was the steam or a friend I was watching with who said it, but something like a VRCNews prefab for worlds to include would be nice even after they add a news tab
vestal pier
just add a whats new button, or have it appear in loading screens
vestal pier
people get mad about bugs but wont help by going in beta :(
onyx glacier
im new to vrchat 👌
rigid crescent
they complain about their avatars and worlds breaking (which is going to happen no matter what) without realizing they could've known this weeks ago and already had them fixed
fluid bloom
welcome genji :)
fluid bloom
yes
you're learning fast
vestal pier
WELL thats not entirely true
onyx glacier
i allsow have a channil\
vestal pier
like the time they accidentally deleted content last week
and people were forced to reupload (such as myself)
onyx glacier
bad spelling
rigid crescent
yeah, that's one misshap, probably one of the worst things in all honesty unless the cloudflare thing was on their end
most of the issues people have are really just minor inconveniences, or things to be expected like avatars and worlds breaking
umbral reef
@rigid crescent what do you mean, me not being able to play the game for a single day makes the game worthless, evil, made it cause world hunger and caused the previous stock crash
rigid crescent
i crashed and went to complained in a discord to people who aren't even listening 
i like how they memed on the dead/dying game smoothbrains in the dev stream lol
umbral reef
Someone called me a meany in VRC, i wont report them or can even prove it happened but i want them banned and everyone who ever did the same also 😡
vestal pier
thanks devs for the bugs, fix your fucking game
rigid crescent
my fav
vestal pier
same tbh
rigid crescent
"fix your fucking game" proceeds to log back in and play for 5 hours straight with little or no issues that aren't minor inconveniences
vestal pier
fluid bloom
ive never really had any issues on vrc :)
vestal pier
i have
fluid bloom
gj vrc mans
rigid crescent
logs back in every single day into a game they do nothing but complain about
fluid bloom
and wamens
vestal pier
like the time they deleted 9 of my avatars last week 😒
fluid bloom
wat?
molten temple
my only issue with vrc is my crippling lack of an avatar or confidence to find people to chat with
rigid crescent
get deleted nerd
vestal pier
There was a mishap in the office and they removed a bunch of content by accident, its all good though i reuploaded them
rigid crescent
"just talk 4hed" is my favorite advice to give though
vestal pier
Olive wasnt affected, dont worry 😉
umbral reef
I wonder how many people even got effected by it as i only know of two
vestal pier
Alot
vestal pier
Every "Error" avatar you see is a broken avatar
ALOT of the current "public" avatars (as in the ones made for quest) are currently broken on PC
Because alot of them were uploaded by a company, and that company doesnt play the game, so they are likely unaware of the issue
rigid crescent
really? I thought they were all user made
vestal pier
They were supposed to be
fluid bloom
yea
snow wadi
There are custom quest avatars but they are so few you could count them with your fingers.
rigid crescent
oh right those
fluid bloom
exactly
snow wadi
I did NOT D:
vestal pier
I mean i have more custom quest avatars than i have fingers
snow wadi
There's a group that was making quest avatars but they made like 2 and gave up.
They're focusing on PC avatars.
snow wadi
Nah I know them, they made a few. It's another.
vestal pier
Oh alright
rigid crescent
we don't use that name round here 
snow wadi
But yeah even mouse kinda moved on from quest avatars.
vestal pier
She did yeah, im kinda sad about that
Quest content could have done with more stuff like hers. less of the stuff the rest of vrchat sees
umbral reef
cant milk money from quest users
modern sand
just wait until i make all my dota avatars cross compatible
snow wadi
This is why I stopped using MMD models, because 80% of them look the same. XD
Oh you added a hat? Whoopdeedoo!
umbral reef
Most faces look the same and thats the problem
An mmd with different hair and a non lenn face goes far in making it look original
vestal pier
Nah
snow wadi
@modern sand show when you got them? o o/
vestal pier
I legit cant tell most people apart, everyone look the same
lyric urchin
didn't mean to send that 
rigid crescent
I mean most are the same face, but it's really not that hard to have a unique looking mmd
modern sand
Ders is the most unique of all
rigid crescent
there's a lot of good mmd face textures out there too, i have a lot i never see used
vestal pier
everyone look same
to go back to what i was saying, if you see an error, try to reach out to the creator to let them know
snow wadi
If you really want to look different, sculpt.
vestal pier
I dont understand how naming a different form of 3d creation makes you look different...
You can look different without ever sculpting
vocal shard
fluid bloom
i would but there's something in the way
vocal shard
Hey ^^
slate verge
holy cow that is one giant whale
fluid bloom
?
slate verge
oops
fluid bloom
where u at
rigid crescent
texturing is where it's at bro
vestal pier
@snow wadi that's what's happening in VRC.
The majority of creators who make custom content do not sculpt
like ever.
Sculpting does not automatically make your model super cool and fresh and new, its just a form of creation
Take Sketchu for example
rigid crescent
https://puu.sh/E5Hgy/c8546f3162.png like yeah this is cool and interesting and blah blah blah wow he made a thing, no offense
but i dont want to walk around as this lol
fluid bloom
why not
rigid crescent
because i wanna be the model im using 
fluid bloom
the bunny girl?
rigid crescent
i do like a lot of their sketches though, reminds me of the old tamagotchi art style
also ye right now im the bunny
vestal pier
I dont get the jab, mic?
rigid crescent
It's not really a jab, it's just adding to the "sculpting doesn't automatically make your avatar cool"
vestal pier
I dont get the point in posting one of her models and they blah blah and say no offense, what are you adding?
fluid bloom
bamzu google it
vestal pier
Its not sculpted
rigid crescent
wait wheres it come from
vestal pier
You know that sculpting is a form of 3d modelling right?
rigid crescent
👀 wait theres more than one
vestal pier
Uh..
snow wadi
Blue...
rigid crescent
im conflating the term sculpting with modeling i guess
snow wadi
Where do models come from?
rigid crescent
understandable
snow wadi
Ok just making sure.
vestal pier
Are you also conflating Sculpting with Modelling Qhala?
rigid crescent
ok so sculpting is like making a shape into another shape like with clay, makes sense now that i think about it
fluid bloom
quietly reads chat from afar
vestal pier
yes yes yes
rigid crescent
yeah that makes perfect sense
snow wadi
No no nuke, you come over here and sit down.
vestal pier
Are you also conflating Sculpting with Modelling @snow wadi
snow wadi
Nope
vestal pier
So do you care to elaborate on the idea that sculpting is the only way to look truly unique?
tranquil cobalt
I am molecularly conflating, send help
vestal pier
because any form of modelling can result in looking unique.
snow wadi
Not to offend but minecraft...isn't exactly much to compare with. >_>
vestal pier
It was an example.
fluid bloom
bruh
vocal shard
rigid crescent
procedural modeling is pretty lit wtf
vestal pier
It is!
vocal shard
Us mmd users are part of the clone army
vestal pier
YOU ARE
rigid crescent
Honestly Jamie's model is one of the better examples of not needing to do anything crazy to look unique
indigo fern
Oh yea, there's this guy who made a blender add-on to help with his procedural modeling, curtis holt
vocal shard
rigid crescent
I've never looked at anyone and thought "oh, kinda looks like jamie"
vestal pier
You must be used to spotting differences
indigo fern
Well, he says generative
rigid crescent
I think that's a condition
indigo fern
I love it so much
snow wadi
It's 4am and I'm still up
vocal shard
Sleep
slate verge
go to sleep qhala!
rigid crescent
I knew someone in VRC who had Prosopagnosia, but i guess he wasn't missing out on much ingame
vestal pier
Without googling, is that the thing that doesnt let people recognise faces/facial differences
rigid crescent
ye
vestal pier
context clues serve me well
btw i wont let you forget that you thought sculpting was the only way to model 😉
snow wadi
It's already there I think
It's a batch script injector for PMXeditor but it was just a blog post.
I don't even know how I remember that, it was over a year ago.
vestal pier
brain be like that sometimes
snow wadi
I do recall however that the results were horrendous.
xD
I'm talking MMO character creator max out all sliders on the face horrendous.
fluid bloom
what gpu u got
...
right click desktop
open nvidia control panel
then go under manage 3d settings on top left
you'll find it there
in that case you may have plugged your index into the wrong display port
hmm
Check ur pc for plugged ports
mine had black rubber over some extra ports
not sure why that's the case but i did need to use one of those for my vr to work
...?
hushed drift
is there anything limiting me from adding the ability to draw anywhere in vrchat, using my avatar? i recently saw someone who could draw with theirs
fluid bloom
i think you can put it on any avatar
its called snail or something like that
but apparently isnt always reliable as it may look different to other users
fluid bloom
he's got gtx 1070ti dunno bout ram
coarse rock
Did you only plug in the display port cable to your GPU? Did you make sure to connect the external power connector?
And when you say "Pixels" is the display itself show anything? Like vertical scanlines, etc?
I'd say try some other games to make sure it's not just VRC.
coarse rock
Look up Aperture Hand Lab on Steam, run that. Try it, and if you get low FPS in that, we'll go from there.
That's actually the first game I ran after I got my Index
What's your FPS looking in your home world?
Go into your SteamVR settings, and make sure your SS isn't set to like 200% or something
Although your 8GB of ram is a little low for the setup you have, I don't think it'd make a huge difference like that.
Which i7 do you have?
I'd keep it to 1.0 for the time being
So you're saying you only get low FPS in VRChat?
Everything else runs fine?
That's very strange
rigid crescent
wait can you rephrase that
You have 3 trackers, two turn on, but the third doesn't?
no matter which one the third one is, right?
so whatever tracker you turn on third won't turn on?
ok thats weird
does the light come on
ok dumb question are they all plugged in?
rigid crescent
try different ports too?
rough pulsar
Yeah, try that.
Or if you have a USB hub try them in that
That is odd, what USB devices do you have plugged in?
Like, any, and are they directly into the motherboard or a USB card or what?
If the last tracker isn't being picked up, regardless of power-on order it's often a USB issue
If you think it's a software issue clear all SteamVR config and re-install steamvr
fluid bloom
currently 4h in killing withers so i cant soz
stoic halo
question, why does vrchat censor private model names
and why cant i have cuck in my model name.
rigid crescent
good question
stoic halo
i named it cuck doctor because of a inside joke and it renames it to Luck Doctor
rigid crescent
i mean i guess its because it can easily become a public model?
stoic halo
i mean why does the name matter if it has that word in it in the first place
vestal pier
As in for a public model?
vestal pier
It's censored because the only time names are ever seen are on public models
stoic halo
yeah but why?
vestal pier
I mean that's a false equivalent, they don't store voice on their servers
If it's censored on public then why bother changing it for private if no one will ever see it anyway
stoic halo
i mean its just my model i made for myself
so i dont see the point in censoring that, but why censor names in general
vestal pier
Why not
vestal pier
Some are
stoic halo
and? its not our problem theyre on here
rigid crescent
it doesn't harm you, so why not?
stoic halo
its just weird and annoying
rigid crescent
doesnt sound like too big of a deal
stoic halo
like World names, i guess sure
vestal pier
It's weird but it removes nothing
vestal pier
Nothing of value is lost
stoic halo
yeah but its still annoying and pointless lol
vestal pier
So is whining about it
rigid crescent
its easier to have censorship in palce for all model names than have a system that renames it after you turn in public
stoic halo
but like why censor model names tho
vestal pier
The files are stored on their servers, there could be parents watching etc
rigid crescent
makes sense to control what you can and moderate what you cant
stoic halo
its almost like TV censoring the middle finger lol
past cosmos
oh lawdy
vestal pier
I don't understand the comparison
past cosmos
hello everyone
stoic halo
its entirely pointless to censor because everyone will know what it actually meant lol
stoic halo
if you saw the animation then yeah you would lol
simple clip board calling one of my friends a cuck
vestal pier
I have animations disabled
stoic halo
oof
past cosmos
well is he a cuck?
stoic halo
its a joke
vestal pier
Congratulation
rigid crescent
what relevancy does that have
vestal pier
Singular, no more no less.
rigid crescent
one lation
vestal pier
Just don't put bad words in your names and problem solved
small wing
rigid crescent
onion
red pier
hey
sweet ocean
is anyone having volume issues? some people are really loud, and some are very quiet..... so annoying
urban jasper
gloomy remnant
only real gamers crash while changing worlds B)
zealous geyser
when I try to go to home with that home doesnt load eitehr
past cosmos
sounds like it had an error
you would need to reboot VRChat
or check and see if you have a windows update
because my friend had a windows update and that was the reason why he had the issue
pearl spire
Oiyo boyos
vocal shard
Will vrchat ever fix the fkin moddedclient to rip avatars?
sleek night
can someone help me set up my vr head set?
rigid crescent
@vocal shard its not a huge issue so probably low priority
vocal shard
Many people stopped creating avatars that's probably all about vrc, creating content
So how is this low priority lmao
meager solstice
@vocal shard to be honest there isn’t a simple way to just stop it
vocal shard
Rly sad tbh ^^ people took like months to create avatars worlds and so on and nobody cares
meager solstice
I mean, the biggest game companies can’t stop the ripping of models......
It’s just ridiculously hard to defend against, I’m not saying it’s not a big issue. I’m sure it’s on the list of many things the devs want to fix but I kinda agree with mic, that it’s not the highest priority
vocal shard
This client exist like 1 year now ^^
meager solstice
Stopping a single client doesn’t solve the issue.....
vocal shard
I just think they should fix that rather than fkin update the sound system
rigid crescent
no one stopped making avatars...
vocal shard
This hacking tool destroys the whole game in my opinion
meager solstice
So u want them to work on an issue that isn’t realistically solvable.... than to fix other issues such as network ik, sound, latency, server connections
rigid crescent
Well, it can be your opinion, but as a fact it's wrong
Model ripping isn't a big deal at all, people make new avatars every day, and even commission and create from scratch ones
But model ripping is almost a non-issue
meager solstice
Wouldn’t say it’s a non-issue but it’s nothing that I personally wouldn’t stop making my models because of
covert blade
Keyword being "almost"
rigid crescent
Well it's damn near a non-issue
rigid crescent
Like really, why is model ripping that big of an issue?
vocal shard
Because people invest like months to create worlds or avatars
rigid crescent
Do you happen to have any screenshots of avatars you like? Gonna attempt to make a point
Like anything, doesnt have to be yours
covert blade
Is it even realistically possible to fully stop something like that from happening?
rigid crescent
nope
It's so hard to prevent on top of being not that big of an issue to begin with
vocal shard
So how do you know that
covert blade
Are ya just gonna ignore his question?
rigid crescent
Know what? That it's hard to prevent, or that it's not that big of an issue?
meager solstice
Unfortunately the sad truth is no game, no company can stop modified clients, or ripping
covert blade
^
ornate finch
it's a limitation of how data has to fed in order to process it through the GPU efficiently i believe
covert blade
There's always attempts to stop it but eventually they find a way to bypass it
ornate finch
thus regardless of what you do there's no stopping ripping in its entirety
rigid crescent
I'll give you an example of why it's not that big of a deal @vocal shard
https://puu.sh/E5OCO/ff549f5fe3.png Here's a group photo I'm in. Top right, bunny girl
All these people, for the most part, all use their own "custom avatar"
rigid crescent
hear me out, why should reducing it be that big of a priority?
Trust me I've got a point, I just wnt your input
That's why I'm asking to see some avatars you like, as an example./
vocal shard
There will always be a way to bypass that okay kinda true but look
rigid crescent
im ingame also, so if yo uwant to list world I don't mind going to it
vocal shard
Many companies are trying to update their game
So it's atleast fkin hard to bypass that
covert blade
ornate finch
covert blade
Oh neat a FPaul sip
rigid crescent
@vocal shard I've asked a few times, why should they focus on it?
rigid crescent
People like who?
covert blade
VRchat isn't a AAA game with a team that has the time and budget to focus on something that isn't directly improving the experience for the vast majority of players, let alone focus on something that probably cannot be fully prevented
rigid crescent
Because I see new avatar worlds and people creating custom content daily.
Look at this image Verita. https://puu.sh/E5OHY/16cb1564f0.png
You see the avatars marked with a slash?
covert blade
I can see it
vocal shard
Yee what about that
covert blade
I said I can see it
rigid crescent
Those are the only three that aren't literally made of stolen content. Everyone else in that photo (as far as im aware), has avatars with parts stolen (RIPPED) from other games, creators, etc. All without permission.
All these "Creators" youre complaining about, for the most part, all use STOLEN content for their avatars
very few people use assets they have permission to use, and even fewer create their own
covert blade
lmao
rigid crescent
So, tell me why it's OK for me, some random, to RIP ASSETS from overwatch, gundam games, etc and put them on my anime girl, but it's not OK for someone to do the same to me?
And whenever someone actually has their content stolen? As in true, custom, modeled content, it's dealt with fairly well.
rigid crescent
My point is that it's almost a non-issue because it's all stolen content ot begin with
vocal shard
Using crashers are also a non issue?
covert blade
How do crashers relate to ripping of content?
vocal shard
I'm talking also about the client mah dude
covert blade
No one apart from you apparently saw the client
vocal shard
As i said it's not just ripping
covert blade
You never said what else it is
rigid crescent
My point is that model ripping is not that big of a deal, it's almost a non-issue. THat's all
So don't complain about model ripping when everyone stole their shit anyway
I might be assuming too much, but I'm willing to bet your model is the same way
covert blade
In fact, you only ever complained about ripping models and how "creators" have stopped making original content
rigid crescent
So, why are "creators" upset? They stole content, dont be pissy when you get stolen from
Plus plenty of people still create worlds and models, I see new models every day, new avatart worlds every day.
So your point on ripped models is pretty moot, honestly
Crashers are a different story, and just as hard to deal with
tawny ore
In what aspect
I can teach you that you can boil pasta by microwaving it in water...
I can help you direct yourself to #full-body-tracking
wise perch
....werent you asking this yesterday....?
i coulda sworn i saw someone helping you textually.