VAC plz
#vrchat-general-2
faint skiff
vagrant juniper
haha
I mean lets be for real you dont hear hacks in fortnite apex or any games that use easy anti cheat and it's free licensing
rigid crescent
Uh yes you do
faint skiff
@brisk bone Then that's probably why you don't understand the problem. People being stationary objects as a VR user is... less than ideal. If it became a text chat game then you can be certain 99% of VR users would just immediately yeet the fuck out.
brisk bone
Considering the fact the text chat won't be mandatory and people can still use VR and there can probably be a button that implements hiding it for VR users. I don't know.
rigid crescent
WHy would people quit because text chat is implemented?
vagrant juniper
really I never ran into one 🤷
rigid crescent
Can you explain that logic?
I've run into plenty in Apex lol its not uncommon still to see them
umbral reef
Legit potato logic
Just because you dont notice it does not mean its not there
And big odds you ran into an aimbotter, trigger bot or xrayer but just didnt notice it even
rigid crescent
I don't play fortnite so i cant really speak for it but most games have hacks of some sort that work around anticheat systems
faint skiff
@brisk bone You're missing the point. It would bring in more people who are further away from the target demographic.
rigid crescent
Uhhhhh
brisk bone
I think the content creators have done well enough on their own. I don't think a text chat feature has any say in target demographics.
rigid crescent
ARe you....erm...
umbral reef
Apex knows it even cant fight hackers so its throwing them into hacker lobbies slowly by now.
Still means there are a shitt on in normal public lobbies that are not super obvious and just look at CS:GO if you want to see how great anti hacking systems are for hackers...
rigid crescent
where do you think VR users came from? Thin air?
umbral reef
As thats a payed game without any hackers :^) Ow wait a second. That aint right. Its a payed game with a shit ton of hackers.
faint skiff
@rigid crescent Because if the current storm of mic-less desktop users seems bad now, how bad do you think it would be if people could just run desktop and text chat? The game would end up overwhelmed.
rigid crescent
My friends list, over the last year and a half, went from a good split of VR and Desktop users to almost every single one getting VR, at least the active ones.
You realize this game will grow eventually, right?
The more desktop users, the more potential VR users.
brisk bone
Also considering the fact that VRChat has a relatively high cost, your theory that everyone will leave seems silly. Sunk-cost fallacy and all that.
rigid crescent
All you've done is explain why you dislike the idea, not why people would leave...
People call it a "Dead game" all the time, they WANT more users
umbral reef
I dont really want more users myself i want better ones 🤷
faint skiff
Because the VRChat environment itself would become this weird world where a large amount of users aren't talking or even moving. Why would people in VR want to stand around talking in a strange environment like that?
rigid crescent
Well there's no way to guarantee better users. More users will mean more chances at better users
That logic is extremely flimsy lol
faint skiff
That's not great if the SNR of that is bad.
You have to draw in the right users, not just "any" users and pray.
rigid crescent
That's not something most free games, especailly a game like this, can do
vocal shard
I think it all depends how it is implemented. People's main concern is if it affects immersion. Same reason many disable nameplates.
A big part of VRChat is people coming for the game, and then saving to buy VR.
faint skiff
It is, when it has a higher barrier to entry. Low barrier to entry = lower quality users/content in almost every instance.
rigid crescent
The only people who would prefer to type are the people who are already mute to begin with
umbral reef
Some systems can promote or more disprove of some behavior though.
rigid crescent
So what should the barrier to entry be? VR only? lol
brisk bone
Ah hell yeah, VR only requirement suggestion. Bring it back!
faint skiff
Well that would certainly remove the literal waves of kids on desktop flooding public instances at all hours of the day, yes.
rigid crescent
You'd kill the game in its tracks overnight.
You haven't played long enough to know the importance of desktop users
Most VR users came from desktop users. VRC is an entrypoint for VR users
If you get rid of desktop users, you get rid of potential new VR users as well
desert stratus
^ is a good argument ngl
brisk bone
I wonder what the numberrs are when it comes to people playing as desktop turning into VR players or whether they watched VRChat content and bought VR HMDs and then played VRChat 🤔
faint skiff
What's to say they wouldn't buy VR after seeing the videos or hearing about friends playing it? They wouldn't need to play it themselves first.
rigid crescent
the fact that it already rarely ever happens?
vocal shard
I wouldn't have started playing if there wasn't desktop mode
rigid crescent
I'll fire up the game right now and wander pugs for hours and probably find more people who already had VR than who got VR for this game without ever playing
Like I'll rarely play this card, but you just clearly aren't experienced enough in this game to understand what you're talking about
faint skiff
Be sure to ask how many of them bought VR just for this game if you're trying to prove your own point
faint skiff
I've been playing long enough to know that when the pug is 1/2 to 2/3rds desktop white-plate users that they're the #1 reason I consider just logging off entirely.
rigid crescent
Actually you don't even have to wander publics to find that out, ask here
ask in any discord
vocal shard
I know lots who bought VR for VRChat, but only after playing it and becoming addicted to it in desktop. VRChat is a VR system seller. The ability for desktop to play as well is a huge reason why VRChat is still popular and other VR only games don't have the same playerbase
faint skiff
This discord is in no-way an accurate cross-section of the userbase.
desert stratus
i bought vr 50% for this game lol
umbral reef
Ask in a streamer discord then
rigid crescent
ask in any discord lol
desert stratus
granted, i rarely played on desktop, but like 5 hours of desktop was enough for me to go "i need $400 rn"
umbral reef
Those have a userbase that mainly started from outside form my own experience
rigid crescent
oh true
brisk bone
😴
rigid crescent
hmmm id have to do it in vr, my desktop mic usb is borke
but i gone through crazier lengths to prove people wrong 
brisk bone
Either way, these features won't really do anything to the status quo. 😈
faint skiff
They will, but you don't care as you're currently part of the problem, to be perfectly honest. If you were using VR you'd see it from a different perspective.
umbral reef
Thinking that is also part of the problem lmao
brisk bone
Uhh, I don't think buying a HMD would change my experience. But, thanks.
compact river
i was desktop for almost 2 year then i got vr just for vrchat
faint skiff
How could you possibly thing that being in VR vs desktop would not change your perspective on the game?
brisk bone
I am not going to fucking speak though, lol.
rigid crescent
OK, so you're the one at fault not the people 
The status quo doesnt exist anyway, at least not to the lengths you think it does
brisk bone
TBH I am waiting for someone in my dumb country to buy some Valve Index stock so I can buy it. 👀
rigid crescent
Streamers aren't evil, communities aren't bad and will always form, etc
brisk bone
Eh, I heavily disagree.
rigid crescent
You have no proof besides "I don't like these things" though...
compact river
the streamers you notice right away on the other hand
rigid crescent
You've actually proven communities will always form when I asked you for like an hour how to prevent them from forming
compact river
even if i dont join off friends i still run into the same people joining random publics because we all hang out in the same worlds
brisk bone
Spice
rigid crescent
Communities will always form in situations where people exist. We enjoy eachohers company, so we form groups.
This isn't a bad thing.
brisk bone
I don't think the actually formation is a problem. I think the after effects of it is a problem.
compact river
cable nani
rigid crescent
lemme hit up some worlds now
faint skiff
My main gripe here comes from the fact that (at least in the timezones I play) the Pug is often full of trash desktop players that either don't have a mic, or do have a mic (because it's always open) yet still don't speak. There's just nothing there. It's like they're taking up half the slots while they run around trying to be funny (almost guaranteed to be in an Enderman avatar, is the current favourite).
brisk bone
Less and less people in public.
compact river
i dont really see that when i go into public
faint skiff
Then the ones that do speak often sound about 10 years old. Only VERY RARELY will you run into someone that seems normal on desktop.
rigid crescent
THeres thousands of people in publics at any given moment, your issue of finding people to form your own communities with stems from your own actions
brisk bone
The people left in public will most likely be more nervous and less inclined to speak or be people trying to have fun at other peoples' expense.
rigid crescent
There used to be a cool one, forgot the name though
compact river
i legit sat between someone legs attacking anyone who got near and we are friends now does not take much
rigid crescent
maybe virtual photo studio
compact river
brisk bone
We don't really have a clue on the amount of Public and Private since it is not public. You will find though that the numbers heavily skew towards Private instances than Public ones with user numbers.
faint skiff
@rigid crescent My own actions don't matter when the people available aren't even people you'd want to interact with.
faint skiff
@compact river Yeah, but I'm not using a cute loli avatar or a wolf fuckboi though so I don't get as much attention.
brisk bone
There's no need to as no one will try and do the same thing to figure if the numbers you give are accurate or not.
faint skiff
Rookie mistake on my part I guess.
compact river
tru
rigid crescent
stopped counting at 1500
compact river
you do not understand the power of cute young one
umbral reef
Wait you really think people go towards you to socialize?
rigid crescent
1500 people currently in publics
faint skiff
No?
rigid crescent
with thousands more reachable in friends+
faint skiff
How are people in Friends+ reachable?
rigid crescent
by being friends with ONE PERSON
desert stratus
literally im pretty sure the friends+ rabbit hole is bottomless
cold talon
just force join 
desert stratus
you can get to a lot of people (and maybe everyone in this damn game except for private eventa, friends worlds, and erpeeps) through f+ alone
compact river
i made tons of friends back in 2017 as a desktop chicken
and unity chan
good times
brisk bone
🤔
desert stratus
unity channn
faint skiff
Isn't Friends+ just a single link in the chain each time? So your friends can join off you, their friends can join off them, etc. It's only point to point. Otherwise the logic wouldn't make any sense (see "The 6 Degrees of Bacon" for why)
compact river
bacon nani
rigid crescent
It's not one link, it splits off infinitely
well, not infinitely of course
it's closer to a tree, or whatever those timeline theory things are
brisk bone
Lines
rigid crescent
I join a friends+. Now my friend joins. Now his friends and my friends can join even if we aren't mutual
someone joins him, now A, B, and C all have people who can join them, which just keeps splitting and splitting and splitting.
I see new people in friends+ every day, obviously not as many as when I'm in publics, but the "quality" tends to be better outside of publics since they've normally been socially vetted
faint skiff
Where do these Friends+ worlds show up? Or are you literally just joining on someone?
compact river
i have learned over many years head pats that are given to desktop increases the % chance they get vr
faint skiff
Yeah, I don't really do that unless I explicitly want to go and talk to that person.
compact river
#truth
faint skiff
Just feels a bit... not rude but, I don't know.
vestal sleet
Well then u might as well as be in a room of strangers
rigid crescent
lol i got 4 for just VRC but then i got caught up talking to them
one got it for pavlov tho
Rude to join on people or the headpat thing?
vestal sleet
4 what
rigid crescent
oh, was asking people who got their VR just for VRC
brisk bone
Oh
compact river
just for vrc beat saber was extra
rigid crescent
avoiding my friends worlds since i know the answer already
compact river
nothing else i really play
faint skiff
The join on people thing
rigid crescent
Beat SAber wasnt out when i got mine
faint skiff
Because the game doesn't have any way of turning off the ability to join on people, so it feels rude to just turn up unless they're expecting me or they're definitely chatting with a load of people.
rigid crescent
I mean I think that's how it goes, I join on one person, in some cases a few people I konw are in the same room
and I talk to everyone there Im interested in talking to.
compact river
if people dont want to be joined off of they can just go priv
faint skiff
@vestal sleet That's not the same thing, at all
rigid crescent
Wait, expecting you...
I'll join on Guy/Group A and talk to them as well as other people there I either sorta know or maybe don't know as well. That's how you make new friends
vestal sleet
If they didn't want friend to join they would make it invite +
faint skiff
Sometimes I'd like to go world hopping without random people joining on me. I'd like to do it in public worlds because it's a bit creepy when they're completely devoid of anyone else.
rigid crescent
That's true, if you don't want ot be joined don't make yourself accessible
faint skiff
But the game has no way of doing that
You can't turn off the ability to be joined on
vestal sleet
Basically invisible
rigid crescent
Yes it does, enter a world where you aren't accessible...
I don't want people to join me, so why would I stay in worlds where people can join me?
faint skiff
I just explained why that's not a good option.
rigid crescent
That seems kind of niche is all
faint skiff
Would you be happy IRL if people you'd met once just appeared next to you when you're out and about doing touristy things?
umbral reef
Then you throw in your bio 'world hopping, dont join' and throw that icon on red and plenty wont join you also
rigid crescent
CAn't really compare IRL to VR in certain cases
vestal sleet
I mean u don't friend them if they r just a once and done
rigid crescent
But either way, joining friends and making new friends is perfectly viable and not rude, VRC/Internet "culture" is a lot different than IRL culture but even IRL if I'm hanging out with friends, making friend with their friends is kinda how life works
faint skiff
The ability to be invisible to friends is a feature that pretty much every single social program has had, since the beginning of time. I'm clearly not the only person that has thought about this.
rigid crescent
VRC isn't the same as a text chatting program
faint skiff
I don't see how that would negate the want/need for that feature
rigid crescent
It doesn't, but just because people want it doesn't make it a good idea 🤔
vestal sleet
I can understand it but saying it is a "you problem" isn't really wrong either
rigid crescent
Even if a LOT of people want it, it doesnt make it a good idea
People want this game to be VR only, people want Veteran status to come back
vestal sleet
U could always just tell them u r world hopping and not interested
faint skiff
Clearly. We've established everything I ever talk about here is a "me problem" and that no-one else has these issues, these wants, etc. Infact I honestly don't know why I ever speak in this channel at all because my opinions appear to be so different than "normal people's" that I'm basically an alien and nothing I say can even remotely be empathised with.
languid beacon
It tends to be normal honestly; people go in public when they have no friends, then once they have friends, a friends only instance is less crazy than public so that’s what they use
vestal sleet
I mean what is wrong with just telling them straight up
faint skiff
@vestal sleet Why create that situation at all?
brisk bone
I mean that's the gist of this place, so yeah.
vestal sleet
That litrerly the same thing I am asking
faint skiff
Anyway, I'm out. Clearly I'm wrong about everything so yeah, don't worry about it. Ignore the village fucking idiot.
languid beacon
I don’t really like the idea of a invisible status. What if you had an option to make public world join requests as manually accepted?
rigid crescent
Sometimes people just have a _lot _of bad ideas 🤔
But I mean not evrything youve suggested is, just a lot of it
faint skiff
"You're not a complete moron, just mostly a moron". Thanks.
rigid crescent
Having a bad idea doesn't make you a moron
But you're free to put words in my mouth
vestal sleet
I mean clearly you don't want to even consider other people opinions so yes there is no point continuing
coarse rock
lmfao honestly people wanting like VR only and veteran status to "come back" sounds like people asking about fortnite bringing old skins back
faint skiff
Hold on, the person being joined on is the one who should get to make the decision.
@vestal sleet Other people shouldn't get control over MY privacy.
coarse rock
People are going to want to feel some sorta of validation, when really I'd suggest to just play the game lmao
umbral reef
Thats not a wholesome pfp tenten
vestal sleet
Well if u go to a park u can't invalid the other kid who r playing therr
That might or might not have seen u
That is the definition of the word public
languid beacon
I think it’s perfectly reasonable to want to explore vrc in public without friends joining you.
faint skiff
That's not the same scenario. They were already there. They aren't someone you've met that has specifically chosen to zone in on you from outside.
languid beacon
I do not however think invisible status is the correct way to solve that desire
faint skiff
It doesn't have to be invisible, just some sort of "Not joinable" option.
coarse rock
You could literally tell them "hey man I wanna world hop, join on me later?"
Or if you don't like the person.. delete them lmao
vestal sleet
Ok but how do u know they joined on u
And just not happen to be in the smae instance
Sometims I join an instance and happen to see yellow
zealous geyser
Im not someone who uses a mic often. Am I still able to gain trust and make my own models?
faint skiff
Because my friends list doesn't contain 2000 people like most people, if someone joins on me, it's normally obvious.
rigid crescent
Yes @zealous geyser
brisk bone
I allegedly don't think they ever make a invisible status, anyways. 🤔
coarse rock
@zealous geyser Yeah
vestal sleet
My friendlist is small either
languid beacon
I think the easiest to implement feature would be to have public join requests be either automatically accepted (current behavior) or manual, like they are in invite worlds
zealous geyser
Cool I just need to learn how to make those particle things people do
vestal sleet
I mean if you are just going to invalid everything right away then what the point
languid beacon
Settings checkbox
coarse rock
Well see, now it just seems like you guys are trying to create a solution for something that was never a problem.
rigid crescent
Basically, yeah
faint skiff
@vestal sleet How am I "invalid"'ing anything other than providing a realistic retort?
rigid crescent
Or a problem to a very, very, very small amount of users. Something overly niche
zealous geyser
I like it when someone has like lasers and stuff but idk how to make them
rigid crescent
Boiling down to a "you problem"
faint skiff
Yeah, alright fine.
vestal sleet
Idk you are straight up saying the stuff I am saying can't be a possibility
compact river
bots op
rigid crescent
The API shows what public instance you're in anyway, so if someone really wants to join on you in a public they will
languid beacon
Keep in mind if people want to join you they can still just hop instances until they find you any way
rigid crescent
vestal sleet
I said that the possibility that a yellow just happen to be there exists
And u Straight up said no because it can't happen to me
umbral reef
Also the game promotes rooms with friends in it also
vestal sleet
So yes you are invaliding everything everyone is saying here right away
brisk bone
If there is a one way ticket out of Public, then isn't that bad?
still lark
Easy solution, make an alternative account
zealous geyser
If Im want to make some scenery effect, does that count as an animation?
rigid crescent
Yeah keep in mind people hate that shit and it'll get you blocked
umbral reef
@languid beacon Then why have them as friends tbh if you dont want to see them?
rigid crescent
It just seems like such a small issue that it isn't worth touching, especially with the fragile social ecosystem we already have. Messing with even something that seems small can cause issues
brisk bone
I think it's less about seeing them and more so just being free from being hopped on.
languid beacon
^
umbral reef
Then ask them to not join you
languid beacon
Sometimes you need a break
That doesn’t help when you have a TON of friends that hop on you
coarse rock
@rigid crescent As I mentioned earlier, everyone here is trying to create a solution for a single persons problem, that really isn't an issue.
rigid crescent
and as I said, something super niche
languid beacon
No I just have a lot of friends
rigid crescent
It's not an issue at all, just a concern a few players have. While it doesn't invalidate the concern, it also doesn't make it a good idea
languid beacon
They’d find my alt and friend that one lol
coarse rock
Yeah, exactly.
umbral reef
Has not happened to me yet- And cant say my voice is that special
Im pretty much the only person with my retarded speech pattern, jokes and accent
rigid crescent
I think we're good with the current forms of being antisocial in a social game that we already have
vestal sleet
I mean that exactly what a "minority problem " mean
umbral reef
Also, its not hard to say 'Who? No thats not me.'
rigid crescent
Yeah, basically.
vestal sleet
It is litrerly by definition
Or to a extent 'you problem'
Like I am not even trying to mock anyone when I say it I mean it by definition
brisk bone
Hm, minority suppression.
compact river
lmoa
umbral reef
This is legit a problem most people wont have, can be solved by talking or doing workarounds without real problems.
rigid crescent
Stop trying to equate a minority opinion to actual real world minority issues
You can just stop right there
brisk bone
TBH the userbase numbers put everything into perspective, anyways.
umbral reef
growing
brisk bone
Yeah, it's pretty stagnant.
compact river
only over 61x what it was when i started
rigid crescent
Yep
It wouldn't be this far without the boom, that's for sure. I'd guess maybe a couple thousand, maybe 3k?
languid beacon
When you have a following VRChat can get overbearing with the same crowd showing up every time you go in anything that isn’t invite only
umbral reef
Im still on the standpoint that natural growth would have been better then the insane boom for the community, stability, security and budgeting
languid beacon
This IS a problem
rigid crescent
That's true, a few streamer friends have that issue from time to time
brisk bone
Well, of course. But it was only a matter of time before a streamer would've found it either way.
The boom would've happened either way.
umbral reef
The loli police meme didnt insanely blow up the game though
The perfect youtube view storm did though
It got the ball rolling bigtime and then streamers jumped
brisk bone
Twitch boomed the numbers, but didn't have as big of an impact as the YouTube boom.
rigid crescent
I used to notice the same people circling them like vultures that you could tell definitely werent friends, but i think they've purged and stopped accepting random fan friend requests so it hasnt been as bad
languid beacon
If you want to use VRChat to meet new people and explore it kind of sucks when you ruin any instance you join with a flood of followers
rigid crescent
I mean, don't add followers
that's probably a good idea. Don't give fans your phone number lol
languid beacon
You are basically asking not to have friends
brisk bone
I'm just happy they don't go outside into public anymore.
umbral reef
Literally a problem you can avoid...
umbral reef
Its like you dont add anyone and everyone you talk to in public worlds. I often chat to guys for hours and never add them. Some i chat to for minutes and the next 20 times i see them we chat for hours.
rigid crescent
I know you're smart enough to know not adding all your fans and followers does'nt mean not maknig friends
umbral reef
Plenty of one day 'people' and friends.
This is not facebook, dont have to collect them all 👌
rigid crescent
unless you're telling me you're not interesting enough to make friends with anyone who doesn't idolize you, which I honestly don't believe lol
idolize is a strong word but you know what I mean
brisk bone
Hm, interesting.
TBH the last conversation I had was in a Pug a few months ago talking about the E3 stream and then I left.
rigid crescent
Streamer hate is absolutely stupid, the times I've joined on them in public they're just doing the shit they normally do. talk to friends and if they're meme streamers show off some dumb stuff. The main ones being assholes are the non-VRC streamers that just jump in for the meme for a few horus
inner cape
what's going on 🍿
brisk bone
It also was completely random, lol. Completely empty The Pug which was rare. I think I stayed in it for like a few hours to wait for it to be low numbers.
languid beacon
They’ll just join via friends of friends. Give people the option to set public joinability to manual acceptance and people can fix the issues themselves
brisk bone
I don't really even know what a streamer even is anymore for this platform. 😭
umbral reef
A guy who streams the game
brisk bone
Most people just run on 3 day schedules these days, anyways.
languid beacon
Someone who sleeps while recording a twitch stream
umbral reef
@languid beacon if people go that stalker mode and its annoying then the block function is your tool
rigid crescent
....yes, not every streamer is a full time straemer
Why is that worth even saying? lol
umbral reef
We are legit talking about extreme edge cases that can be solved by one or two button presses lmao
rigid crescent
and if said people are on your friends list, why?
languid beacon
It’s not that extreme
umbral reef
Got examples then
brisk bone
Because it's a important distinction. But, anyways.
languid beacon
I don’t even stream, I don’t want to pat myself on the back but I get a crowd for some dumb reason :p
rigid crescent
How is it an important distinction? How is a streamer who streams VRC fulltime any different than one that does it part time?
or streams full time and has VRC as oneof their games
umbral reef
So you get people wanting to meet you because there friends is friends with you?
brisk bone
Dude, I'm so confused about what the fuck Adeon is on about.
rigid crescent
That's what I'm saying, don't add "fans"
Your'e smart enough to tel lthe difference between a fan and a friend
brisk bone
TBH if just a bunch of streamers had the capacity in their head to just push a Canny request with their hordes of "fans" for a invisible feature. It'd be implemented allegedly in a few weeks.
😃
rigid crescent
I used to think that, but numbers = / = implementation
umbral reef
Maybe during the boom but most streamers get ignored by everyone but there direct fanbase
rigid crescent
I've said the same thing here and to friend who could push that shit, but it doesn't matter because one, a lot of those fans aren't actually VRC players, and two because numbers don't mean something will be implemented
languid beacon
Yeah it gives devs an idea of what is really wanted but it’s still their call on what they want to do. This is not a democracy
rigid crescent
Look at any of the highest voted canny posts
compact river
importing votes hue
rigid crescent
If I remember right, Tupper's own canny post is one of the highest there is, almost 2 years old, and isn't implemented
brisk bone
Ehh, I don't know anymore. I'm tired, just waiting for Udon personally.
languid beacon
It’s really not the end of the world
rigid crescent
Udon won't help you make friends.
Udon won't fix a lot of the problems you have, to be honest.
rigid crescent
You'll get to play some neat games in desktop that are probalby designed for VR users with desktop as a side thought
languid beacon
All the problems I have expressed are solved simply by not going in public instances, but y’all seem to complain about that hence why I was offering my issues with public
brisk bone
It's a double edged sword 🤷
rigid crescent
I understand the mindset behind the idea Adeon, it just seems like another issue that the vast minority of users (ones with a following) deal with
brisk bone
I mean their only thing for Social they put on the "maybe in timeframe list" recently was allegedly the "Profile System" that Fiji requested a while ago.
languid beacon
I think everyone to some degree wants to explore vrc like when they were new without friends hoping on them every time, or maybe that isn’t a common issue? Heh
umbral reef
For sure not, but why not use the status stuff for that
languid beacon
Story of my vrc tho
brisk bone
I have the exact opposite issue, rofl
umbral reef
Legit a way to inform people who want to join on you that you dont want it
languid beacon
Yeah it would be nice if being red status in public removed the join button or at least changed it to a request invite (which you wouldn’t see unless menu is opened)
rigid crescent
The thing is, polite people will see the status and red and think "oh shit better not join" and people trying to fanboy will just find the public world on the api and join it that way
umbral reef
Or we dont and you throw down the letters 'please dont join me RN'
And if they ignore it, you tell them once so they will recall
If they ignore your request for it after that they are not friends lmao
languid beacon
Nah I have never seen red status in public do anything
I’m gonna stop because I don’t want to seem like I’m complaining or that this is a real big issue
It’s not really
umbral reef
So you tried to do exactly what we just suggested?
rigid crescent
Though without a mic, you're extremely unlikely to succeed socially, especially with the mindset you already have. There's people who manage just fine, but usually its used more of a gimmick than a way to avoid social interaction
languid beacon
Hm? I use a mic lol
rigid crescent
or the couple of people who are vocally mute, but that's probably the .01% lol
oh not you
like one I know does Voice to Text to Speech lol
brisk bone
Hm, well I don't know. I think it's rough these days due to the nature of the platform. I think VR might work out, but I need to wait for Valve Index to be imported here so that takes long.
languid beacon
voice to text to speech
Y tho
brisk bone
I don't really know though anymore. I'm mostly just sightseeing these days in VRChat.
languid beacon
Oh RP. Say no more 100% got it
rigid crescent
Outside of game I'm pretty sure thye talk, like in discord and stuff
It's not really that rough, my alt made it into a friend group or two just fine and I made it at like the start of the year, same "environment" we have now
languid beacon
Man I’d rather jump out a window than RP I don’t know how people do that stuff
umbral reef
By not taking everything too serious and just having fun?
languid beacon
And I’m not an introvert I can hold a normal conversation fine. Adlib though heck no the idea makes me sweat bullets
inner cape
you rp as a humanoid dog tho
rigid crescent
inner cape
🤡
languid beacon
I actually don’t. It’s just an avatar lol
rigid crescent
lol I just wish I could like...write for some of these fucking RPers dude
compact river
rigid crescent
They're so disorganized minus the bigger ones
umbral reef
^^ sadly true
rigid crescent
No set "laws" of their world, just anything goes and they just create shit as they go which is not how you craft a world
Like Ascension and Gormundr's stuff is all pretty well written I think but
umbral reef
Mic lets start an RP discord server :^)
rigid crescent
like I've written my own D&D campaigns and had tons of setting info before evne thinking of starting a fucking game
so I could say "no you cant do that" or "well this is how that would work in-universe"
lol i don't want to actually start an RP just fix one
inner cape
there was this big roleplayer I met long time ago
it was cool at first but even then I couldnt really take it
it's just like grrrrr
rigid crescent
Like Ascension has a TON of lore and work put into it, but rarely do people put that much out of game work into their worlds
Like Purple Lotus has such a great premise but there's so many cringe power-RPers that put more thought into their powers than their personality
umbral reef
I got payed to build minecraft spawns and worlds.
Build it into a private RP event for some people to play
Wrote all the broad lore, idea's, gimicks and ect and send it to other peeps to fix it up and solve flaws. Dope time
rigid crescent
if you can tell me more about your hyper death laser god scythe than where you came from (hell doesn't count) or who your friends and family are, there's a problem
umbral reef
Im all in favor for having to write a few pages of lore/info on your person just to be let into RP groups
inner cape
true
umbral reef
Locks out the overpowered, insta godmode people and makes your character instantly grounded into reality for the world
rigid crescent
I mean you don't even need that, you just need a "written portion" Q&A
My favorite for my old games I GMed were "What is your greatest exploit" since I normally started at low level campaigns
My IRL games were always fine since my friends werent stupid but the stuff online I ran was often stupid and overpowered and poorly written
I don't expect people to be fucking tolkien but it's not hard to make a well written character
umbral reef
Might be that i always rp'd from an 'idea' for a world with a gimmic for the world instead of a preset one.
Even for the people who knew what was up it was hard to follow idea's everyone agree'd with
rigid crescent
Especially ones meant to be RPed and built upon. You can't really grow as a character if you've already killed your parents to steal their ultra-god-eye and then destroyed an army with it after your girlfriend had her soul stolen by a vampire lord or some shit
umbral reef
Also lets #general-media
rigid crescent
Always, always build a world first. The players don't need full knowledge of the world, just the things the average person would know in most cases
zealous geyser
How can I move my view from 1st to 3rd person
stark plinth
hi
inner cape
in vr only: tick locomotion on in the settings to have 3rd person movement
rigid crescent
you basically cant
zealous geyser
oh it's vr only? Im desktop use 😮
ruby needle
some actually do
but its rather rare
but i've even seens some streaming peopel with it
so it's definitely used by some
vestal sleet
The purpose of that is just to prevent motion sick
inner cape
^
I used it when feeling ill
it was actually useful when I came back into vr after a sickness
rigid crescent
purge the motion sickness gene from our society by not allowing people with it to enjoy VR, e z
inner cape
hidden bridge
vrchat crashes alot recently. it never did that before do any of you have the same problem?
fluid bloom
maybe people are using crashy avatars
or you have to many things open at once
hidden bridge
it happens when loading a world. i only have discord open
umbral oracle
Developer Stream hype
outer fox
Servers suck
slate verge
ooo something new
fluid bloom
yay its at 3 am for me
amazing
rigid crescent
Ayy dev stream
desert stratus
its time. its been a while
languid beacon
You can have third person on desktop. I don’t recommend it but it works. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=t8FskOJ-pMI
primal oak
I wonder if John Carmack will make an appearance on the stream.
sharp inlet
third person is like a default right? and you can turn it off cuz watching your avatar walk away is less immersive and fun
languid beacon
Third person holoport is default on vr yes
sharp inlet
🤢
compact river
i turned that shit off so fast lmoa
desert stratus
john carmack for august vrc dev stream?
sharp inlet
^
desert stratus
if god is real...
languid beacon
Believe it or not it actually makes newcomers LESS sick
It’s not immersive at all
But it prevents people from falling over the first time they touch a joystick
fluid bloom
i was sick af at some point tried it and just couldnt do holoport
sharp inlet
I turned it off during my first time on VR.
fluid bloom
^
opaque hawk
I still use comfort turning 
languid beacon
Yeah. But there are some types that need it
Just like comfort turning which I do not use
sharp inlet
Comfort turning is when it like. Chops?
tulip cypress
Am newcomer, still not used to vr enough to ditch holoport
languid beacon
Yes
opaque hawk
I can condition myself only so much
fluid bloom
comfort turning is okay unless youre playing a game
languid beacon
It took me about 3 weeks to get used to holoport off. About 6 months to get used to comfort turning off
tulip cypress
Oof..
fluid bloom
wow i just jumped straight into turning both off
compact river
1 day and both off for me
fluid bloom
f for adeon damn
tulip cypress
I hope it doesnt take me that long...
But i still get bits of nausea even if my avatar slips off a stair and falls while im in fpv
languid beacon
I’m fine with both off now. I can spin all day and not even flinch
sharp inlet
same
languid beacon
It just took a while and it did involve making myself uncomfortable with I don’t think some are willing to do
sharp inlet
the only time i experienced nausea was when my Quest started bugging out due to too many stuff in the area so i had to exit Vrchat quickly
languid beacon
Rift never made me sick. DK2 made me dizzy. Quest made my neck feel weird
sharp inlet
Huh
languid beacon
After taking it off
Front heaviness made my neck feel back heavy after taking it off
fluid bloom
vr ¯_(ツ)_/¯
vernal forge
what's the app that merge oculus and vive trackers for same play space ? asking for a friend
languid beacon
Space calibrator
It’s free
Also input emulator and SteamVR advanced settings are NOT required dispite many guides saying to install them
ruby needle
im not 
discord is just stupid sometimes when you switch channels and accidentally click the text box 
ruby needle
valid sandal
Anyone else having problems getting into worlds?
vocal shard
I am. Usually when I get in one I'll get "VRChat has timed out"
valid sandal
Yea same
languid beacon
Network Ik would be less painful if we got an official marker trail prefab with a whitelisted sync script
vocal shard
just make your own custom marker
stoic iron
problem is, the sync script wouldnt be usable, because not whitelisted.
languid beacon
Yeah no marker can be as good as the official presentation room because of its sync script
It works like pre-network IK
stoic iron
Yeah, although you could petition them to release the script since it is already whitelisted
otherwise, it wouldnt exist in the marker room
opaque hawk
Do many people still use those on their avatar?
stoic iron
A ton of "mute" people use markers on their avatar
rigid crescent
Yeah, it'd be nice if there were official alternatives to stuff like DB, pens, etc
stoic iron
that way, they dont have to talk, and can communicate more
rigid crescent
DB being a lot harder than pens
languid beacon
A way for avatars to have trails is needed too but this script is for worlds.
stoic iron
I mean, i have trails on a couple of my avatars, what kind of trails do you mean?
languid beacon
Even just having reliable world markers would help
Well trails in general aren’t reliable for writing due to network IK
opaque hawk
Would be super cool to have the pen prefab as part of the sdk world prefabs
stoic iron
for sure, and also the trail length would be annoying to work with, if you attempting to use it in that fashion
languid beacon
languid beacon
That’s not an example of network IK “being bad” though. It’s just the old method of markers (trails) worked by fluke. We need a formal method tbh
stoic iron
yeah, I wouldnt mind it, as sometimes i just want to be a mute too, just because my roommate is asleep or something
vast tulip
I love vrchat directs!
tidal aspen
i hope we get portal 5
languid beacon
I can’t believe they are making VRChat 2 already
Role Queue for public instances when?
vast tulip
Vrchat is a platform, not a game, so, if you think of vrchat like the console, the world's are it's games
vocal shard
vrchat isn't just a platform. vrchat is love, vrchat is life.
rancid vessel
VRChat to me is like both a game and a social network.
languid beacon
Well when we get udon it will be more like a game platform, hopefully
I don’t think VRChat is even a shell of what it is eventually going to be
Right now it’s a great platform there just isn’t much to do besides socialize. Which is fine; but I’m pretty sure they have bigger plans given they are adding Udon
vast tulip
Yeah, for sure
Ron has said it many times that vrc has a very long ways to go before it's close to "feature completed"
languid beacon
Yeah. I wonder if the Knuckles meme helped or hurt progress in the long run. I don’t think they expected a userbase this soon
vast tulip
If I had to guess, it probably hurt getting system wide huge changes in quickly because they have so much content to try and not break now
But it probably helped a lot with getting stuff they were going to do but it was fast tracked, like safety, performance things
Probably helped a ton with investments too, I assume
So over all, the knuckles explosion was probably very good for the platform vs it not happening
umbral reef
Investment, imago, brand and related topics to get often better from user booms
Security, community and stability get hurt mainly from it.
The game was already fairly growing before the insane YT/Twitch boom. If they kept up the game would have been also fine, just different.
opaque hawk
Several upstanding community members would simply not be here if it weren’t for the meme
meager solstice
yeah, for sure user base wise they r at a point so far in the future, probably further than their plans even even went
vast tulip
One big issue most of these platforms have is they are not ready for an explosion. I think neos would just flat out die if they suddenly exploded because of all the focus on features with nothing ready for security or anything else, if they exploded.
I think vrchat it's close to ready for any amount of size in user explosion again. I it's how I think it is, I would guess that makes vrc future proof
umbral reef
For sure, but its really hard to say how much better/worse the community would be. If someone like Hotox didnt join the game thanks to the boom or someone on the wide scale supportive scale id for sure be worse off imo. But we cant really judge that.
vast tulip
@umbral reef security for sure improved because of the boom, it didn't get worse that's for sure
umbral reef
Well thats the main reason why steady growth is perfect.
One way the exploits will get found later as less users are looking for them. At the same time, if a community is smaller and more 'power users' the odds of it being abused is smaller.
The security has always been bad and tbh only reason we think its fine right now is because we dont know about the next bad exploit 🤷 (as is normal).
Also the fact the servers had to die more then once and still do from the fast growth. Got VRC to look at scalability but thats imo a basic thing when you make something like this.
blissful solar
Have they added Discord rich presence support for VR Chat?
rigid crescent
kinda
meager solstice
Discord rich presence?
blissful solar
Yeah it shows what world you're in, what headset you're using and how long you've been playing.
still lark
Nope
blissful solar
Look at some people on the list to the right.
rigid crescent
every so often youll find one that says "in VRC for X hours in X room, ask to join?"
if theyre in private i think it says ask to join
spiral seal
People using clients usually have their client enable a rich presence lol
So the majority of the users with a rich presence, at least that shows what headset you're using / desktop, are most definitely client users.
spiral seal
Afaik not all clients does that. But I know that a bunch do.
still lark
I mean I could make one that doesn't require modifying the client.
With similar results.
weak swallow
Could someone help me out with putting animation on my avatar?
hollow patio
Im disappointed that gaia night isn't in the classic maps
seeing as it used to be bigger than the pug at one point
opaque hawk
so its dead for everyone?
valid sandal
Yep
rigid crescent
just logged on and it seems ok
vernal coyote
Big ol ddos
valid sandal
Yeah then give it a few minutes then will time you out
nimble otter
rigid crescent
looking at streams, seems fine there too
rough flax
Someone keeps on ddosing me, internet dies, randomly can't upload or download anything,.. And the past couple of months my internet usage has been over 1TB
rigid crescent
1TB 👀 tf you doin
rough flax
I can see about when I first moved I used I had to reinstall windows on 3 machines and download a bunch of games on 2 machines before I went to LA so I can see about going over 1TB. But this month i've barley downloaded any games, small ones, a few windows updates. I've used 1.3TB aparently..
All I've done is videos... Lots of videos in 1080p.
rigid crescent
youd have to watch a lot of videos for that to end up as over a TB tho 👀
opaque hawk
everything is fine now, just had a couple weird network things happen
sick orbit
z
sleek night
I’m getting a headset and some one help me set it up?? (It’s a vive)
upbeat dust
Follow the instructions that came with the headset.
zealous geyser
Although Im only 2 days into my adventure into VRchat im liking it. Going to enjoy making stuff, probably more world stuff than avatar stuff
sleek night
My room kinda small so I need some help xd
upbeat dust
Place the base stations at least 2 meters up on the walls, one in each corner opposite of eachother.
Make sure your VR room does not have any shiny surfaces, as it will scramble the tracking.
Also be sure the ceiling light is not in the way of the two base stations. They need to see eachother, as well as you and the floor.
vocal shard
when is vrchat ever gonna b available for ps4 LOL just found out one can play rec room on ps4
rigid crescent
never most likely
spare lichen
Hey just asking but why is there like error avatars now?
like the robot avatar and its says error on the chest of the avatar?
snow wadi
Have you tried to clear your cache?
snow wadi
You can do this ingame btw.
When you've done it, just go back to your home world and then pop back into the world you had an issue with.
Better yet, go home first, clear cache and THEN go back to that world.
pure owl
coarse rock
only real gamers are awake at this hour
turbid echo
Noon?
fluid bloom
11:18
snow wadi
1:21pm?
snow wadi
That was my current time. xD
snow wadi
I would rather be the posh fellow and roll up my Prada sleeves and look at my Rolex and say:
"Bollocks, I missed my 4 O'clock appointment".
fluid bloom
you could but then its like
4 o clock when? In the morning? In the afternoon?
fluid bloom
you forgot to have a mac on you at all times
fluid bloom
did you wake up early af or do you just not sleep?
hushed drift
hello
tall mica
tawny ore
Greetsings
valid depot
👋
shut fern
sharp lotus
inner cape
cold talon
blazing dust
Hello is anyone doing commisions?
cold talon
Hi again, we already mentioned the for commission there is Vrctraders discord, there you will find someone who will 100%
languid beacon
Wait so blender 2.8 requires everything use the shader system? Can’t just have shadeless textures?
vestal pier
Im sure there are ways to do shadeless, but you are correct yeah
vestal pier
i havent tested it but apparently setting the surface to "emission" with a value of 1 seems to function how it did in 2.7
vestal pier
Again i havent tested it, might not work.
If you get it working let me know i cant test as im at work
heres another solution though, incase that one dont work
cold talon
If you want only to preview it in shadeless, you can select viewport shading to solid, click on the little arrow and select flat
cold talon
Hmm, it should
Oh click on texture under it, in the color section
It kind of sucks that you have to choose betwen texture and material, as texture won't show the diffuse color or normal mapping if using nodes
tired shadow
how do i change my vrchat avatar?
languid beacon
On desktop, hit esc to open menu, go to avatars, pick one, then wear it on lower left
Or find them in worlds and just click on them
tired shadow
i meant how do i download a custom skin and use it
languid beacon
Why type of file is it
How much work you need to do depends
.pmx: lots
.fbx: average
.unitypackage: a little
.blend: it is a mystery 👻
ruby needle
the rating is totally off imo
nothign says you how much work it is by default
a MMD might be perfect fit from cats while a FBX model might on its own be completely differently configured then you'd expect at all
MMD is actually one of the easiest as it has a standart which cats help you translate quickly
unity package originals are usually oaky as they have been made for unity, tho might also be rigged wrong.
rough pulsar
Yeah, each of them could be next to no work at all, or loads depending on how they're set up.
That said, to get your own avatar you need to put together a model suitable for Unity's humanoid system, which there's plenty of tutorials on youtube for.
Hell, just search for "vrchat avatar" and you should find plenty of videos walking you through the process. Bear in mind a lot of the videos are for working with MMD models, there is more than just anime girls out there.
languid beacon
Mmd, to me, just by assumption, means a lot of bone merging and manual atlassing, so I rate it the most work :p
refuses to upload anything below Good
languid beacon
Haha
rough pulsar
VRChat has an avatar performance ranking system, ranging from Excellent to Very Poor, with the worst using the most resources (usually)
languid beacon
Just look for tutorials. There’s no one guide because it depends on what type of model format you have
tired shadow
if i could show pics i could show you what skin im picking out :/
rough pulsar
95% of the time, without any extra work to optimize it for use in a realtime engine, MMDs will end up in Medium or lower.
tired shadow
cause i think that effects how to get it in vr chat
i dont understand this kind of stuff...
languid beacon
Every mmd I find, without optimization, is very poor due to materials
tired shadow
mmd?
languid beacon
Because the count is like 35 to well over 100
tired shadow
what???
ruby burrow
Materials are rather trivial to merge though normally. You'll get a more compact atlas if you do manual, but it's certainly not essential in most cases.
Also, poor wolfy is completely lost right now. ^ ^;
cold talon
.pmx is the file format of mmd, vr wolfy
turbid echo
Yo cuties
I feel like my game keeps getting that stuck at fully downloaded level and no go button showing up bug
tired shadow
oh ok
turbid echo
Do I have to like delete a folder full of temp files or something or does anyone know a fix if there is one?
tired shadow
delete VRchat and download it again
turbid echo
Neato burrito
tired shadow
👀
floral flaxBOT
You can clean cache by deleting everything within C:\Users\%Username%\AppData\LocalLow\VRChat\vrchat apart from output_log.txt and config.json if you have them
tired shadow
vocal shard
hi im new to the game can i play with anyone
cold talon
thru a lot of search and determination @turbid echo
vocal shard
zyber can we play together
turbid echo
Lul no I'm too cool for you
vocal shard
oh ok then 😃
turbid echo
smh
vocal shard
?
hybrid heart
is anybody else having problems with VRChat? Last night I logged on, took awhile to load, favorites and personal avatars were gone for almost an hour, worlds wouldnt load, and social wouldnt load
Anybody else having that problem? 😂
vocal shard
yeah but for me people wernt anywhere
hybrid heart
ok so it wasnt just me
umbral reef
@vocal shard make sure your game is up to date
languid beacon
@hybrid heart unplug router and plug back in to get a new endpoint connection it usually clears up VRChat issues like this - it’s the only game that does it so I’m not sure what the cause is
odd crown
Anyone here have the pimax 5k? I started using it this weekend and i noticed that when small avatars are really close to me they get culled, as well as buttons on my camera disappearing when its close to my face. Is there any way i can adjust the near occlusion to fix this?
brisk bone
Uhm this might sound silly, but have you turned off Personal Space in the settings?
hybrid heart
VRChat was working perfectly fine, went to go join my friend then it crashed and it wont log me in again
it starts loading then it just stops 🤔
turbid echo
Chat I have two public avatars and one public world
Do I need to upload more to get purple username
Or can I ride on friends and playtime for the rest?
rigid crescent
No one can help you know that
turbid echo
😿
rigid crescent
since no one knows the answer. there's people with no personal avatars or worlds that have trusted
turbid echo
Hm
rigid crescent
and people with "few" hours that are trusted as well
turbid echo
Interesting
vocal shard
Anything you do helps. But it's not a requirement to upload content. None of us know the specifics
languid beacon
I never idled; 7 hours to get upload, 152 for known and 302 for trusted
rigid crescent
Does the API show when you hit a certain rank? I started off Vet so i'm kinda at a loss
tough hollow
Someone help
languid beacon
It changes but the titles are off by one. Vet in the API is actually Trusted
Trusted is known etc
sharp saddle
Hi Panda!
fleet plinth
anyone wanna play mafia
fluid bloom
@fleet plinth ask in a mafia related discord server or forum
final zodiac
"Mafia related forum"
fluid bloom
you got a problem?
final zodiac
It sounds different if you don't think of it as a game
inner cape
I'm holding back not to burst out with jojo cause of you 2
bitter talon
Hmmm
Awfully quiet chat
languid beacon
Off in other channels
gilded helm
If you don't play vrchat drunk then are you really an alcoholic?
inner cape
if you often play vrchat drunk then you're a part of the problem
gilded helm
I do
fluid bloom
that doesnt seem too smart
except if you can afford to buy a new headset at any moment
gilded helm
always have a chair handy
vocal shard
Im new hello my people, gleichberechtigung🇩🇪🏳️🌈
fluid bloom
hello
vocal shard
Ok about headsets when consoles were first introduced they were hella expensive but now less so it can and will change for vr
fluid bloom
yes
prisma lark
I mean heck, WMR headsets like the Odyssey+ can be had for $300, way better to have as a drunk-o-clock headset than a vive or similar
prisma lark
ye
languid beacon
I just want a wireless, sensorless headset that can use Pc VRChat. Quest except better
Oculus is focusing the affordable easy to use unteathered vr . Where’s the rich person untethered vr
final zodiac
PC power level Quest would be Iron Man suit
indigo yacht
did vrc dev stream start yet ?
polar jasper
2 hours till it starts
languid beacon
It’s in 1 hr 50 minutes
indigo yacht
ok ty
final zodiac
Damn I'm asleep at that time
snow wadi
Good evening! ❤
vestal pier
googeevening quinoa
queen mango
Evening, lads. It's morning over here in Asia. How are your days going by?
snow wadi
I wanted to pop into vrchat but suddenly people invited me to some games in overwatch.
fluid bloom
Suddenly, ow
queen mango
Sounds a little bothersome.
snow wadi
Well to be fair I haven't played with them in almost a month.
queen mango
Ah. Figured.
snow wadi
Just got off of it, was trying out the new hero.
fluid bloom
what was it like?
snow wadi
Very interesting, easy to pick up and play but looks tough to master.
nocturne rivet
hey
fresh fable
Anyone know if it's possible to use two headsets on one PC simultaneously?
Quest - Virtual Desktop - steam- VR chat
Rift s - oculus - VR chat
hushed drift
hey, how do you record video on the oculus rift?
oculus says to press the share button but no such botton exists
or is the obs studio and the myriad of plugins and etc needed to effectivly screencap my preview window
oh nm thats oculus go
meager solstice
@hushed drift usually to record video u use obs and u use the oculus mirror
hushed drift
yeah just wanted to check
btw it sees like someone is trying to spam invite links to another server
meager solstice
I see, LuL
hushed drift
anywho, guess ill go install obs studio
desert stratus
hmm...do i work on the summer assignment i didn't do, or do i watch the vrc developer stream... 👈 🤔 👈
hushed drift
oh hey, legit problem here i just remembered
vr chat wont listen to any of my other microphones
ive got this really nice studio grade mic and a scarlet i2 interface
but for some reason, for the life of me i cant get my external mic to be recognized by vr chat
no matter what i select, it still records from the ORSs onboard mic
otherwise ill be forced to have to use an aux cord instead
wiring the interface to the headset to overrite the mic input using the interfaces monitor output as audio input
dusky knoll
evermotion......can anyone help me?
night pike
A possible workaround for this, voicemeeter banana. Select the mic as an input in voicemeeter and enable b1 or b2 on that input. B2 is called something like aux input but the other voicemeeter's virtual input, b1 (name of which I forgot) works just as well. So you select the virtual input as mic in vrchat. The site you get voicemeeter from has just virtual input and output adapters you can download if you dont want voicemeeter banana but I don't remember the exact process of setting them up anymore.
desert stratus
imma need someone to summarize the stream and ping me later cuz i cant watch all of it today sadly
elfin cloak
OWO VR-ENUXELA-VR OWO
meager solstice
ded meme
ashen wadi
I thought I was out, but they pulled me back in, (back to VR chat after another year or so)
idle elm
iron thunder
Is anyone having trouble connecting to worlds? A friend of mine is.
desert stratus
this dev stream was prob one of the more important ones to both creators and the average user, it's a bit weird that the entire server is silent afterwards...
summary coming up in a bit
slate verge
@desert stratus is there going to be a recap for the stream
ashen wadi
probably what they meant by summary
slate verge
okies
desert stratus
and by summary i mean screenshots i took plus a few words because im not typing all of that out lol
polar jasper
@desert stratus https://docs.google.com/document/d/1C19gheRt_WclgdetvrtRZ1vNbu2F7wdmHmptm0mC7sM/edit?usp=sharing
I did type a lot of it 😛
desert stratus
thanks dad 👈 😎 👈
hushed drift
hey VR chat devs
how long do i need to use my new account before im able to upload customm avatars with the sdk
i have holidays atm so im wondering if i should just be like constantly in VR chat when im bored, or, is it such a large amount of time i just have to patiently wait until my casual use time clocks up
sharp inlet
Unity
slate verge
@hushed drift blue rank is required to upload and you use unity to upload it
hushed drift
how do i determine my rank?
no i mean in unity, i hust want to test my avatar while i work on it
i dont even know if it works yet you see
slate verge
in-game in vrchat you can view your profile
heady cradle
Is there any way to use unreal engine 4 to make worlds and avatars for VRchat?
slate verge
nope
hushed drift
i mean, not in a meaningful way at least
vocal shard
im new to vr and i hear vr chat is good, what do you actually do in game??
still lark
chat
true timber
Pretty much anything you want
rigid crescent
chat, explore worlds, make friends, etc
except replace the last two letters in etc with two other letters
rigid crescent
It's a different experience due to the constraints the Quest has, but yes
vocal shard
oh nice, how much is vr chat??
rigid crescent
Free 
vocal shard
oh nice, also how is it different on quest?
still lark
You only see content that is explicitly uploaded for Quest
vocal shard
pretty much this ^ and others with no quest compatible avatars will only show up as robots, until they find a way to show those non quest optimized avatars to quest users as well which they were looking into already
hushed drift
hey, is it possible to program props into a custom avatar?
flat brook
Would be nice to have a high quality avatar with a fallback version for quest users
rigid crescent
Isn't that how it works?
vestal pier
that is literally how it works yes
rigid crescent
👀
vestal pier
well thats how it works ideally, if you put in the effort to do that
thats its intended function, is what i mean.
They did say they were working on a way to show pc stuff on quest anyway
frosty heart
i need assistance with an issue regarding an custom item i made and adding it to vrchat (idk what # channel i should put that in)
boreal steeple
if anyone is tryna snuggle while watching a movie, add me. VoltTanzanite
vocal shard
what's a better upgrade route 3 vive trackers or the index controllers
ruby needle
Depends on what your personal priorities are
Can FBT wait? Then knuckles.
Roll a dice or something
vocal shard
hahah for sure
snow wadi
You know what?
You guys are now making me want to plug in my kinect and just have a go at it.
vocal shard
Revive the Knuckles
sterile drift
I remember that being a thing. As much as it was a nuisance I kinda miss it. If the raiding wasn't constant and it wasn't little kids 85% of the time it would've been at least somewhat decent
snow wadi
It was funny until children started using the avatar.
fluid bloom
^
also watching back the dev stream and rip skit
gloomy remnant
the amount of times ive crashed this week are amazing
rich gorge
🥖
zenith crown
hello guys
obtuse vector
What brand do y'all recommend for vr?
desert stratus
brand doesnt rlly matter in vr rn
slate verge
it depends on preferences
desert stratus
do some research on different headsets out there @obtuse vector
id help rn but im in class
obtuse vector
Like, I'm just getting into vr I've used vr at my local arcade place and loved it so I don't really have a preference
slate verge
whats the brand at your local arcade, what did they use
zenith crown
guys can somebody please help me for a sec?
how can I link my steam account to my vrchat account?
sharp saddle
There should be a setting in the in-game settings to merge your account.
zenith crown
Im on the website
aand I found it
buut what is a merge token?
or where can I get one?
covert blade
@zenith crown Go ingame -> Upgrade Account
zenith crown
got it thx btw xD
covert blade
I have no idea why the website is so useless but, yeah
fluid bloom
hey does anyone know why vrchat doesnt show my friends either if theyre online or offline?
i expand the thingy to see offline friends and its just empty :/
covert blade
Friends list is bugged basically.
The only time it is somewhat reliable is when you just logged in. Then the information is fine but the moment something changes (Someone goes online / offline, switches world ect) you're back to it being unreliable
hollow saffron
languid beacon
That’s normal @covert blade
covert blade
@languid beacon I know
languid beacon
When they move on from the polling method it will be more responsive and stay up to date
covert blade
I was just explaining it to him that that's how it works
umbral reef
So what did i miss within last night stream
languid beacon
Udon closed beta starts very soon.
And it all depends on Unity 2018 LTS, which they encourage people to start looking at.
Since there was a UI rework in the editor
umbral reef
Neat neat
languid beacon
The SDK is also going to start getting changes in preparation for Udon-aware components so they can hook into things properly.
snow wadi
Are there any other important points made? I couldn't find the time to watch the stream.
frosty heart
can someone help me regarding uploading a custom item to vrchat
languid beacon
I was kind of laser-focused on any information about 1.) Udon and 2.) Generics. They did talk about having a in-game UI overhull as well as possibly letting it be user-moddable
inner cape
that pfp is actually terrifying
languid beacon
You’re terrifying
frosty heart
):
inner cape
that's a compliment to me, adeon
languid beacon
@frosty heart you have a model ready? And unity installed?
hallow tinsel
Anyone here using WMR, having the trackpad/gesture issue? Where the right trackpad will activate the trigger on it's own, and sometimes wouldn't activate other gestures?
I thought it was a faulty controller, but it works fine in other games except vrchat.
Do @ me if you have a suggestion. Or DM. Thanks!
rigid crescent
I wonder if VRPill will lose his job
He gets super hype over VR stuff and now NMS has VR
I'd be surprised if anyone heard from him in days. Someone make sure he eats
umbral reef
Big odds he is playing VRchat in a big field somewhere
rigid crescent
or No Man's Sky in a big field 👀 actually mining rocks with a laser pointer
umbral reef
Could also work
snow wadi
Oh no no not my VR controllers, my standard gamepad.
slate verge
Oh.
remote egret
Has anyone tried using just a hip tracker and no leg trackers? I ordered one tracker for now, and was wondering if using just one is an option til I get the rest
vocal shard
Yes it is supported to only have one tracker for the hip
remote egret
Oh Thankyou! Have you tried it? I’m curious what it looks like just being able to move the hips and not the legs
inner cape
I've seen it
it doesnt look much different to a person without fbt
you cant move the hips that much 🤷
remote egret
Ah, yeah that’s kinda what I figured
agile coral
inner cape
you can always try and see for yourself
remote egret
I will once It gets here, was just curious for now :>
inner cape
slate verge
i was told with the hip tracker you can rotate and your avatar will too
inner cape
it does that even without the hip tracker tho 
slate verge
really? Hm....
inner cape
slightly differently, but yea
just.. look around and your body will follow
i thought that was naturally obvious
slate verge
but i meant like when you're standing still, perhaps not
inner cape
yeah, when you stand still, not using the controllers
languid beacon
One hip tracker looks similar to non-fbt except when you lean forward it knows where your hip is so your top half bends forward instead of your avatar waking forward to stay under your head
indigo fern
I'm pretty sure you can turn your head with out your whole ass body following, ye
Yo adeon finally turned RTX on?
inner cape
[removed for toxicity]
languid beacon
Basically you still have feet Ik but it stays under your hip instead of your head