vrchat-general-2

[torpid dome]

which rank?

[frosty veldt]

IIRC it's user for worlds

[torpid dome]

ok

[frosty veldt]

You can upload avatars at new user which will expediate your ranking

[torpid dome]

ik

which thing makes my rank higher? uploading an avatar or making friends?

[frosty veldt]

Can't really know for sure as we don't know the exact equation

[torpid dome]

ok

[frosty veldt]

From what ive seen a mix of all the things that rank you up is best

I.e focusing on one aspect is the worst way to rank up

[torpid dome]

ok, i've only uploaded one avatar and it wasn't that good

i'll try to make more to learn

[frosty veldt]

Well vrchat can't really see how 'good' an avatar is so the quality doesn't technically matter

[torpid dome]

true

but still

[frosty veldt]

No yeah don't try to force or rush ranking up or you'll end up frustrated, take the time to learn and when you're allowed you'll be ready

[torpid dome]

ok

[languid beacon]

Yeah it happens before you know it when you aren’t obsessing over it and just enjoy the game

It’s almost as if it takes extra long for people that seem to try and game the rank :p

[torpid dome]

i'm not obsessing over it i just want to try to get better at avatar making, it seems fun

[faint skiff]

Anyone else around with an Index?

[torpid dome]

no, i have an oculus

[languid beacon]

Have Rift, had Quest

[inner cape]

wait, had quest?

what happened?

[signal wren]

I keep getting this werid thing where I keep dcing from any room I join, it wasent like this before :/

[faint skiff]

I'll mention it anyway incase other people have also seen it. But when in the Pug, have you noticed there's a horrible white haze over everything? Doesn't happen in any other worlds. It's like fog is turned on but quite strong and with no minimum range (and it doesn't get worse the further out you look). It's really weird. All other worlds I've tried looked fine.

[languid beacon]

Yeah I ended up returning it after 3 days. Don’t get me wrong, it was awesome, but the 2.5 Hour battery just doesn’t work for me.

[inner cape]

your hairy brain came to a realisation that quest isnt as good as you hyped it up to be and returned it

[languid beacon]

No I’ll probably rebuy it after Index

[inner cape]

you're hopeless

[faint skiff]

But yeah, going from Vive to Index, the difference in detail is massive.

[languid beacon]

Now I actually know what I’m getting with quest, the screen quality is just massive

[faint skiff]

Also the controllers feel so much lighter, I guess due to where they sit on your hands (as well as probably actually being lighter)

[languid beacon]

I’m sure vive to Index is amazing, but rift to Index I’m worried will be filled with bittersweet compromises

[faint skiff]

Original Rift to Index should technically be an even bigger jump as you gain better tracking, a bigger improvement in screen quality, etc. But on the other hand you lose all the Oculus control panel stuff.

[languid beacon]

Index controllers are heavier than touch controllers and the headset is heavier than rift

[desert stratus]

i cant imagine rift to index coming with compromises imo, cv1 user here. i think the only real compromise would be losing cockulus dash

[languid beacon]

Yeah losing oculus dash is even more of a deal than heavier controllers and headset

[desert stratus]

ehh not rlly. its fucking awesome dont get me wrong but the trade is well worth it

my main concern is the index lenses and thats about it

[muted niche]

Ummm...?

[verbal raft]

What about rift s?

[languid beacon]

I know I’m picky and little things bother me

[muted niche]

hello...?

[torpid dome]

hi

[verbal raft]

thats what i have

[languid beacon]

I’m sure Rift S is fine; having used a quest the tracking is actually better than CV1

[verbal raft]

quest?

[languid beacon]

Yes. Rift S and Quest use identical tracking

[misty steeple]

For the vive what is the best height to put the base stations

[desert stratus]

id imagine rift S to index being the more difficult trade for a lot of people so

[languid beacon]

Rift to rift S is a straight upgrade

[desert stratus]

hellO

yeah lol

[languid beacon]

Except for the ipd slider

So Cyclopes and hammer head sharks won’t like rift S

[faint skiff]

The Knuckles controllers are only like 20g heavier than the touch controllers. I'd be amazed if you noticed the difference. Also they strap around your hand so you're never really holding them.

[verbal raft]

idk too much about the index but i personally recommend the s

[languid beacon]

I have oculus hybrid so my next headset will be lighthouse to get rid of my drift

[desert stratus]

the dream hmd would be everything about the index except optics are swapped out for cockulus half dome. add 4k panels and foveated rendering for bonus points

[languid beacon]

Index except OLED would be the perfect headset for me

I kind of want to wait in case a new OLED headset comes out from someone

[desert stratus]

better OLED panels, yeah

[faint skiff]

The display is no-where near as bad as I thought it may be. Colours and everything look great. The only time it's obvious is when you're in a pitch-black room (with no other lighting) at which point you notice it's off-black greyish. All other times, blacks look actually black. That's the same scenario though that you'd see the "starfield" effect in the Vive.

[desert stratus]

current OLED is kind of shitty tho

good colors and thats about it >~>

[inner cape]

cockulus?

[desert stratus]

i wiuldnt be surprise if someone comes thru with a better panel in the next 5 years because of this LED vs OLED shit

cockulus yiff

[faint skiff]

FWIW, colours look as good on the Index as they did on the Vive. I was expecting it to be much less colourful and saturated but nope, it looks good.

[inner cape]

never say that again, solar
ever.

[desert stratus]

👈 👈

[faint skiff]

The Friendface Cockulus Yiff. Perfect.

[languid beacon]

I disagree. Quest has the same resolution as Index except it’s OLED. It’s the best, clearest vr headset I’ve ever seen

[faint skiff]

It shouldn't be, it's got half-resolution on two of the three colours...

[languid beacon]

Of course it’s a quest, but that on an index would have been perfect

[faint skiff]

(it's Pentile not RGB)

[languid beacon]

Nah pentile just looks better than the same resolution as RGB, to me

[desert stratus]

YMMV i guess. i cant say shit cuz i still havent had a chance to get my hands on a quest for trying

and its not like ill ever be able to try an index till i buy one myself so

[languid beacon]

There’s a reason OLED exists. Humans are more sensitive to green.

[faint skiff]

That... makes no sense. I mean Pentile is literally lower resolution. There's no possible way it can look better.

[languid beacon]

Yet it does

[vestal sleet]

If only index can come to Canada

[languid beacon]

Index looks blocky

Jaggies everywhere

Takes you out of immersion

[faint skiff]

Turn up supersampling

[languid beacon]

Yet I don’t have to on Quest

[frosty veldt]

Just don't wear your glasses and the blocks will blur out

[faint skiff]

If you're running a non-high end card, it puts you below 100% resolution.

= bad aliasing.

[languid beacon]

That wasn’t happening

It’s just the better fill rate makes the individual pixel squares obvious

OLED sort of gives a free antialiasing just due to how the pixels are arranged

Meaning better framerate and visuals on equal hardware

Whereas Index would need to super sample

And eat some fps

[desert stratus]

seeing individual pixels bothers you more than screendoor? obv screendoor is def a lot lower on quest than gen 1 headsets but in the case of same resolution on diff panels, LCD has to look better in that department

[languid beacon]

Just to look as good

Yes solar. Screen door has no effect on me. I used a dk2 and didn’t even see it

I can’t see what anyone is talking about with this screen door

[desert stratus]

huh. fair enough

[languid beacon]

Blocky pixels though oh my god

[faint skiff]

If you can't see screen door, I'm sceptical that you claim to be able to "see pixels" on LCD and not OLED.

[languid beacon]

Lack of antialiasing becomes obvious

You can get away with not having it on OLED

@faint skiffits because edges on OLED are more or less softened

[faint skiff]

The need for anti-aliasing was obvious even on the Vive and that was lower resolution

[languid beacon]

Especially on higher resolution OLED like quest

Can’t speak for vive never used it

Rift Classic didn’t need AA for me

[faint skiff]

@rough pulsar You're the only one with an Index that I can remember. Can you ping me when you're alive please.

[lost cobalt]

I got an index 🙂

[signal wren]

No one is loading in my vrchat and when they do I DC

[languid beacon]

Anyway blockiness aside, the high resolution almost makes it not matter

[lost cobalt]

Or at least I got index in a few days once it arrives😂

[languid beacon]

It’s still a straight upgrade over rift, I just think quest’s screens are better. But they are wasted on a quest

[winged thistle]

and I'm getting my random HMD freezes again, even after upgrading mainboard and CPU and doing a fresh windows install...

playing for like less than 3 hours today and got 2 freezes

[torpid dome]

i need some help in #world-development

[vocal shard]

if ya'll need help with any vr stuff lmk

currently own : Vive, Vive Pro, Pimax 8k, Oculus Rift, Oculus Rift S, Valve Index.

i dont know everything, but ill try my best.

[faint skiff]

@vocal shard Have you been in the Pug with the Index?

[vocal shard]

i think ive been to the pug once on the vive, never again due to client users, want me to do so?

[languid beacon]

Pug is an excellent test for black levels

[faint skiff]

Vive is fine. There's something weird with the Index where it's like there's a constant white fog over the screen. Doesn't happy in any other worlds, no matter how dark or light they are (or even the near pitch-black sleep ones).

Not sure if it's a bug on my end or not, but it made it really uncomfortable to be there.

[vocal shard]

ill give it a go in a tad

[faint skiff]

Thanks

[ruby needle]

do you potentially have the output of the GPU in the wrong color sheme?

[faint skiff]

That shouldn't come into play when using Direct Mode (as the HMD isn't presented as a display to the PC in normal mode)

And as I said, it's only the pug. All other worlds (and games) are fine

Not sure what it is about the pug, it's like there's a fog on me.

[vocal shard]

not an issue on my end, thats really odd.

[faint skiff]

I'll clear my cache then (again) and suffer through giant loading times, lol.

[desert stratus]

spooky 0~0 i guess clearing your cache is the only solution for now

[languid beacon]

@faint skiff pug is the perfect brightness to show up screen imperfections. Don’t worry too much. You won’t run into it much anywhere else

[frosty veldt]

The man's got enough headsets for a nuclear family I hope he has FBT

[vocal shard]

@hollow breach ye i do

[languid beacon]

It makes rift’s Mura glow

[faint skiff]

@languid beacon But given what it looks like on a pancake screen, there's no reason for me to be seeing it. It's like a weird superficial fog directly over my eyes.

[languid beacon]

Over the whole screen, uniform?

[vocal shard]

current vr build is index controllers + vive body tracking + pimax 8k with 4 2.0 base stations

works flawless tbh

[faint skiff]

Yes, doesn't matter where I am in the pug or where I'm looking. It's just constant and uniform.

It's horrible, like someone's turned up the brightness to 200%.

[vocal shard]

It would work

2 friends of mine (who are dancers) do it

yea u could, but its limiting

Personally dont use kinect so

Whats your specs?

ah fair enough

Weirdly enough my vr runs better on my i9 7980xe build (2x rtx 2080ti) rhan my threadripper 2990wx workstation (rtx titan x2)

[faint skiff]

@languid beacon Also Synth said they couldn't see it, so..

[vocal shard]

I'm a dumbass with money ;P

hello

algum br?

[still lark]

@faint skiff chances are if you restart it'll fix it, my guess is keywords.

Oh

I read up a bit more, interesting

[vocal shard]

Haiiiiii

[slate verge]

👋

[languid beacon]

The big question: does it show up in screenshots taken with the pancake camera

@faint skiff

[vocal shard]

[faint skiff]

@languid beacon No

[vocal shard]

.

[odd beacon]

Does it appear if you take a screenshot with SteamVR? Dunno what the binding for it is with the Knuckles, but on the Vive wands you hold down the system/dashboard button, then pull the trigger.

[faint skiff]

It doesn't, no.

(that's how I always take screenshots anyway)

I think it's disorientating because it's actually not the same in both eyes (I've seen a few shaders like that where it's impossible to look at in VR as it doesn't match each eye and hurts)

[odd beacon]

Hm... Maybe you could try recording it with OBS, and see if it appears there? I noticed that OVR Toolkit doesn't appear in SteamVR screenshots but it appears in OBS recordings using the SteamVR plugin, maybe it could be something like that?

[languid beacon]

Ok not the same in both eyes is clearly screen imperfections. Pug is notorious for showing them up (both lcds and OLED) those low-but-not-perfectly black, desaturates shades really show up both black levels and color variations across pixels

How old is the Index? You want to get a replacement if it’s not the same in both eyes

[faint skiff]

It's not imperfections, it's fog. Everything is clearly several white layers above what it should be. I'm not referring to black here, it's literally everything.

And ONLY in the Pug. No other games, no other worlds, no-where. Just the pug.

e.g. just looking at the bar downstairs, or at the stage. It's not the blacks being washed out, it's everything. But only in the Pug.

I tried a bunch of sleep worlds, generally dark worlds, etc, they were all fine.

@odd beacon Maybe...

[half sphinx]

In unity i cant publish the avatar i have

[rough pulsar]

@faint skiff Owlboy originally made the great pug when he used a rift cv1, which has some kind of brightness correction that makes things tuned for it look wrong on other displays.
He has an Index now and os aware of the colour issues.

[faint skiff]

That makes sense. I thought it was some sort of weird post-processing. Thing is Synth said he can't see it for some reason.

[rough pulsar]

Synth's using a different HMD though, right?

[faint skiff]

He tested with an Index (as apparently he has all of them)

[languid beacon]

The fact that it’s only in one eye would to me rule out the world itself being bad

[faint skiff]

It's not only in one eye?

[languid beacon]

Oh I misread then

[rough pulsar]

He is aware of some issues with the overall contrast and such of the great pug and is working on sorting it out.

[languid beacon]

I think it's disorientating because it's actually not the same in both eyes (I've seen a few shaders like that where it's impossible to look at in VR as it doesn't match each eye and hurts)

Is it or is it not the same asdf

[rough pulsar]

Also @faint skiff what HMD were you using before you got the Index?

[faint skiff]

Yeah, I was referring to how some shaders (fur shaders being the worst) render differently in each eye and therefore hurt. In this instance I assume it's because the brightness correction is unnatural and just feels weird (because it's not "part of the environment").

@rough pulsar The original Vive.

[rough pulsar]

@faint skiff You may also still have the steamvr colour correction profile for your vive active. It's an issue that affects some people and causes the Index panels to not display their proper blacks, but the blacks designed for the Vive's OLED panels.

Doing a total re-install of SteamVR generally clears it out though.

[faint skiff]

I've done a repair but wasn't sure how to actually do a "Reinstall" other than removing it and reinstalling it, but that doesn't really clear settings AFAIK

[rough pulsar]

I believe steamvr has some settings soewhere in %appdata% you can clear out too

Also if you used it, get rid of Input Emulator, it causes problems with the index cameras and who knows what else

[faint skiff]

I've not used that anyway

[torpid gulch]

Random question :x Playing with a Index at 120hz, is it normal for the game to basically lock you at 60fps? I had 90fps on my normal vive most of the time.

[ruby needle]

i belive that is because the game locks at 90FPS, which means that if the AWS is on it will half the framerate as it can't reach the 120

[faint skiff]

It doesn't. I was getting 120 on my Index earlier.

But it'll be very rare that you get 120, so if you have motion smoothing on, you'll almost ALWAYS be locked in smoothing mode, which is 60Hz.

I recommend turning off motion smoothing.

[torpid gulch]

My motion smoothing is off, which is why I was confused. The only real thing I changed was the headset and the Hz.

[faint skiff]

That's... weird. Make sure it's off universally and then also not turned on for this game, as there are two settings.

[torpid gulch]

Oh? Where is the other setting? Maybe thats the case

[faint skiff]

There's two settings for supersampling and motion smoothing. A global and a "per application" setting.

One is under general I believe, the other is under applications.

Set general how you want and then make sure VRChat is set to "use global option"

[snow wadi]

Good evening o/

[faint skiff]

Evening

[snow wadi]

I wanted to VRC but my body is screaming sleep |3

[torpid gulch]

VRChat was using the global setting, which was also set to off DX I set it to always disable now, but I'm still so confused why this would happen

[faint skiff]

@snow wadi Act like a FBT user and just sleep in VRC, duh 😉

[snow wadi]

With my avatar?

[faint skiff]

Exactly, who needs pillows

[ornate finch]

hola amigo

[snow wadi]

Hah!

I've actually had a pretty long day today, would explain my exhaustion.

I'll be in VR tomorrow however, should be less stressful by then xD

Goodnight and love you all! ❤

[vocal shard]

Night

[faint skiff]

Night

[faint skiff]

I mean, I feel your question is somewhat self-explanatory.

[worthy oracle]

video players are always broken :c

[slate verge]

@desert stratus is this the update you were talking about to me

or is it the next bigger update

[wise cloud]

@shy summit wack

[desert stratus]

yeye the audio update

[slate verge]

yay!

[west quest]

they removed the voice prioritization

[shy summit]

bro

[ruby needle]

the complete system is overhauled.

[true sky]

i wonder if they added an option to turn off the audio limiter if we want to on our end or if we are still forced to have it?

[raven obsidian]

what does the sdk thing mean?`

[slate rock]

NOOOO

[umbral orbit]

Hello !

[polar jasper]

SDK is only if you make worlds/avatars

[slate rock]

Nooooo the cyber sound on the menu was so nostalgic

[raven obsidian]

ahh thanks, appreciate it

[west quest]

its a shame that you have to make your own avatars and worlds in a specific unity update

[polar jasper]

About time that cyber sound went away. Now just to replace the click sound when you open world/profiles

@west quest How so?

[faint skiff]

Isn't it just an SDK update and not a Unity update?

[raven obsidian]

do u guys use launch options?

[west quest]

idk i guess its compatible or something like that

[desert stratus]

only to get into specific instances because every other method apart from friending / invites doesnt work for events lmao

else i dont ven launch this game thru steam miss me with that shit

[limpid relic]

Fixed an issue where blendshape visemes would sometimes get stuck locally after mic input was completed um thanks

actually awesome

[serene quiver]

good morning guyz

[raven obsidian]

uuh, i can get my audio up to 125%

[vocal shard]

Oiii

[tacit plank]

"we now reset all viseme blendshapes to zero when speaking is complete"
Won't this break avatar which use CATS anti-theft feature?

[west quest]

why you want it up that you want to ear rape people or summit

[sly veldt]

@raven obsidian yup. watch your earholes

[desert stratus]

protip from projared: im like 80% sure that 125% is actually tripling volume. take caution

[raven obsidian]

hahahaha yee

[sly veldt]

We did it because peoples audio setups vary greatly

[vocal shard]

Hii Guyss , do you speak brazilian ?

[tacit plank]

Are mics still limited at 100%? Some of my friends are too quiet, but they can't up their sound anymore. Been an issue for about two years now

[sly veldt]

rift-s has lower sound than index speakers, for example

[vast tulip]

@tacit plank only if you have the anti theft blend shape on a viseem

[misty steeple]

Do i need to update my SK what ever it was?

[raven obsidian]

i mean i was able to manually get the game to as load as i want, but its a nice addon for other players ;)

[tacit plank]

Ah, it's only the overwrites? Alright

[misty steeple]

Do i need to update my SDK*?

[west quest]

no only your vrchat

[misty steeple]

Oki

[tacit plank]

Only if you want the new features I think. Mine is like 5 months old

[fervent gale]

Why add spatialization when people in vrchat do nothing but stand infront of a mirror lol

[misty steeple]

Ty.

[vast tulip]

@tacit plank a viseme is specifically the ones you set for speaking

[idle elm]

add spatialization - VRChat has always had spatialization.

[tacit plank]

I saw "Blendshapes" but somehow managed to miss "viseme", my bad

[raven obsidian]

so @sly veldt sorry for the ping, but i got a question, i am using an studio mic with an xlr cable, the game used to get rid of a LOT of quality, did this update help in anyways for that problem?

[sly veldt]

I have no idea

Test it out 😃

[cold talon]

only one way to find out

[idle elm]

That's audio compression from the voice codec used. They are not broadcasting high quality AAC or WAV files 😛

[faint skiff]

@idle elm "That works properly" was probably the important bit missing from the sentence 😛

[cold talon]

that is reverse engineering the game and testing the code to see if it improved the audio quality :smart

[tacit plank]

If a friends voice is too low (and his vive mic is already on 100%) is there nothing one can do? There's no volume slider for the Vive audio in Windows

[faint skiff]

@tacit plank Turn ON auto gain correction. It's needed on the Vive mic.

Also cover the mic hole with some tape or a felt pad

[ruby needle]

covering the mic hole with tape?

Excuse me?

[faint skiff]

Yeah, the Vive mic is a toaster mic and need special handling.

[tacit plank]

I will look into that, thank you!

[ruby needle]

do you wanna sound like a muffled 90's telephone?

[upbeat dust]

you think the vive mic is bad, my vive pro mic used to make my voice deep and people kept asking me why i'm using a voice changer

[faint skiff]

@ruby needle It picks up ALL the air, wind and popping sounds if you don't. It's borderline unusable if you don't cover it. It's much better when you do and it still picks up your voice fine due to proximity.

[tacit plank]

I read that on Reddit too. It works like those shields on expensive mics apparently

[ruby needle]

the vive mic does have some breathing issues but it's anything but borderline unusable

[faint skiff]

This is from personally testing it with multiple people.

[thin sandal]

@sly veldt thanks for the hard work you guys do

[tacit plank]

Yeah, quite a big update, nice work!

[rich veldt]

wait why 125% master volume not 100% the heck

[proper tendon]

Is it me or does this update sound like it's bad for quiet people?

[tacit plank]

I miss "Voice Prioritization" though. It helped in cases when 10 people were speaking at once

[cold talon]

hold up, we dont yet know what broke in this update

[ruby needle]

well, the whole system got overhauled

[idle elm]

The goal of the new setup is to make VP un-needed

[thin sandal]

I mean have you even tested the new sound system yet to miss it?

[sly veldt]

@tacit plank you will absolute not need that now and the cone is still there

[cold talon]

i suspect that post processing is now broken

[wise cloud]

@wheat bronze wack

[faint skiff]

Does that mean voice is an issue generally when you're stood in a circle?

[sly veldt]

That was always a placeholder for this audio revamp. old voice pri system that is.

[tacit plank]

I have a friend whose mic is low. When I'm alone with him my sound is 100%, otherwise it's around 40%. He already put hte mic on 100%

Another friend installed voicebanana or something like that to make his mic louder because people had a hard time hearing him

[vocal shard]

updated vrchat and now im stuck on blue loading screen when i launch

[tacit plank]

It might have gotten better with the update though, I can't say for sure yet

[sly veldt]

@faint skiff no. go listen to it now. it's far more spatial and designed exactly to work well in groups and as you move from group to group.

[faint skiff]

@sly veldt Nice. I'll reup all my avatars with the new SDK then jump in.

[tacit plank]

Personally I'd have enjoyed a "voice normalisation" that just put every sound at the same volume, but I can see why others wouldn't want that

[faint skiff]

That would mean you hear all 20 people around you at the same volume and thus wouldn't be able to listen to anyone, lol

[vocal shard]

oh god no. a voice normalisation would be horrible

[faint skiff]

Unless you mean normalise everyone, then attenuate them based on their distance to you...

[vocal shard]

unless you mean voice normalization applied BEFORE spatialization

[faint skiff]

Which makes sense

[vocal shard]

yeah

[sly veldt]

@tacit plank that's not possible. every single person has different hardware, speakers/headphones, volume levels, ears, etc. It's better to let people choose on their own. Set what they like or not.

normalization is incorrect

What you want is a limiter. Which is what we added

normalization would hammer dynamic range and clip.

[proper tendon]

As someone who people already had trouble hearing before this, I'm concerned that the new system mostly sounds like it'll be making everyone quieter.

[sly veldt]

@proper tendon have you tried it yet? you can easily adjust to be as loud as you like.

We took very special care in testing and adjusting. Months. the voice is actually boosted really well.

So it's def not quieter

[scarlet flare]

YES

ron ur the best

[vocal shard]

and again buggy update, and "earrape" function epic👌

[tacit plank]

True, it would remove all realism and 3D effects and kind of work like a Discord voice call (but further normalized still)

Only issue left is other peoples relative volume. For some reason, the screaming kids have the highest mic gain..

[sly veldt]

haha well thank the team. they all worked hard. and loads of community helped with a ton of testing

[vocal shard]

after reading patch notes and seeing an option for 125% master volume, I’m pretty pleased. I’ll have to try it to see, but I’m happy to see audio getting love

[proper tendon]

I haven't yet, my concern is more that I'll be made quieter and it'll be that much harder for my friends to hear me. It would be nice if this did the opposite though.

[scarlet flare]

yea ive been in contact with yui

[vocal shard]

Although I won’t be able to fully experience it through my 10$ headphones

[inner cape]

what about them camera filters, ron

[scarlet flare]

there were a lot of concerns about the audio system

[tacit plank]

Happy about the update though!

[muted maple]

The update is kinda weird not gonna lie

[scarlet flare]

im actually super excited to get on tonight

[sly veldt]

man, I'd love to get back to the camera at some point. other more important things on roadmap though first.

[vocal shard]

@tacit plank bruh

[muted maple]

5/10 from me

My avatars are even louder XD

[vocal shard]

I haven’t played in awhile so I think I might hop on tonight just to try this

[muted maple]

Why is Open Mic dead btw?

[vocal shard]

yea 24 gain and 125% volume @muted maple 👌

And yes... the camera. I can’t tell you how many times I’ve screwed it up and been unable to revert it

[sly veldt]

you are much more free to adjust avatars exactly as you wish now. Also, no idea how you are testing when there's probably nobody in the app yet on the same build as you

[tacit plank]

Any plans to add anything in into the SDK which can play songs? The audiobank started playing at different speeds for me (but always the first song) , and all I can find from searching the Discord is that people have given up on it

[muted maple]

edit the audio source oculus and make the gain 9999

[faint skiff]

Oh god, in-game instagram filters. Except because everyone's already got cat ears, the filter actually removes cat ears and tries to make you look more human.

[scarlet flare]

Lmao

[muted maple]

@sly veldt when are you gonna make new music?

[sly veldt]

Haven't had any time between VRChat work and life. Maybe soon.

[muted maple]

I like to bully @vocal shard with it because it makes him thinks he is banned.

[vocal shard]

[muted maple]

[sly veldt]

Gotta go do stuff. Curious what everyone thinks after a few days of using new audio stuff. Also, get ready for stages and megaphones and all sorts as world authors figure out the new tools.

[vocal shard]

@sly veldt can the dev team someday add the old loading screen or loading music back? it was blessed 😩

[muted maple]

Ohhhh, ear rape time hehe jk

The tu du du, skrt du du du pam

[sly veldt]

No. That's gone to the ether but there will be more updates on loading screens and related in the near future

[proper tendon]

I do miss hanging out in space while waiting for a world to load.

[muted maple]

When the servers were down xD

[merry minnow]

What id love to see is per user volume controls. Sometimes a friend is playing music and others wont stop talking

[muted maple]

Everyone was like I hear music and black screen, help XD

[vocal shard]

ok pls dont ruin the loading screen update xd

[faint skiff]

@sly veldt So sound-stages for bands/singers are maybe a possibility now?

Nice

[sly veldt]

@faint skiff yes

[sterile kelp]

Yaaaaay no more loud avatars

[muted maple]

Ron, wanna hang out some time maybe drink together?

[vocal shard]

@sly veldt why you remove your messages? you drunk bro?

[idle urchin]

XD

[sly veldt]

I removed cos it was addressed to wrong user

[scarlet flare]

maybe an easier implementation than per user volume is a 50% setting

[faint skiff]

He's splitting his single line responses into multiple lines

[vocal shard]

Regarding the roadmap, is there plans to deal with crashers and how easy it is to snag someone’s IP? I’ve invested in a VPN and been given files to negate particle crashers, but of course there’s still dangers.

[scarlet flare]

on the mute/unmute, add a %50 setting to "dim" audio on certain people

[sly veldt]

We're actively working on stability and security. Can't discuss details. Sorry.

[muted maple]

But what about mine, I am serious, I wanna hang out with cool people too, like the old days when VRPill took a camera in the pug and took a pic.

[vocal shard]

ooo ron from area51 he cant talk about plans

[sly veldt]

I already moved the UFO to the bottom of the Atlantic

[weak swallow]

rip

[muted maple]

Oh yeah, I got an alien too

But is a bit cancer, but also fun, is on a bike

[sly veldt]

Can you imagine all those people in cars, in the desert, with no food or water, or bathrooms, or gas... yeah... that's gonna be a hoot

[weak swallow]

what r some good adventure worlds

[scarlet flare]

The issue with security is much of the "vulnerabilities" are due to the basis code in PhotonNetwork and it's remote procedure system. That's all I can say.

[muted maple]

Ron, please considerate my hang out time 😃

[vocal shard]

box @weak swallow lmaoo

Didn’t expect a lengthy answer, no worries. Also yeah. Rip anyone that actually goes

[weak swallow]

lol

[vocal shard]

I think i saw somewhere that if even 1% of people show up, it’s at least like 20 thousand people

[sly veldt]

Gotta run. catch u guys later or in VRChat.

[scarlet flare]

See ya bud.

[muted maple]

I sent you a friend request.

[vocal shard]

Thanks for the mini QnA

naruto run into AREA 51

[muted maple]

❤

[proper tendon]

Don't go to area 51.

[calm turret]

I have an issue

[faint skiff]

What if... I'm already there?

[scarlet flare]

mini q&a pog

[vocal shard]

vrchat gang people raid area 51 with afk lamps , big guns and startsphere shader ez win

[weak swallow]

whats the date 4 the raid

[inner cape]

20 of sep

[weak swallow]

ok

[muted maple]

XD

[vocal shard]

@calm turret you just gonna leave it at that?

[faint skiff]

Yeah. They don't need help, they just wanted to tell people

[calm turret]

I have a wireframe of my controllers that I can't turn off

Sorry, someone dmed me

[vocal shard]

mira erp plz

Hmm maybe something through advanced settings.

[scarlet flare]

erp in 2019?

[vocal shard]

I’m on vive, never had the issue

[scarlet flare]

thought that was dead /s

[hidden bridge]

any tips on how to become a "New User"? Ive played for 22 hrs added 5 friends and im still visitor. Does it usually take this long?

[vocal shard]

5 friends ain’t enough

24 hours and 10 friends probably. I never estimated. I have double the friends that I have hours

It's different for everyone. I got it in 4 hours with 3 friends.

[scarlet flare]

lol 3 is enough

[vocal shard]

I think world hopping might contribute?

Yeah, I was exploring worlds on that account for a few hours

When I first started I joined every world I could and got new user within my first session

[hidden bridge]

i did visit quite a few worlds

[vocal shard]

The more people you interact with might help

It’s all a secret to us. But assume every interaction is marked

Since the system is trying to rate what kind of player you are. Maybe as you meet people and don't have negative response, it builds your trust. Idk, all speculation

[hidden bridge]

does logging in with steam count?

[vocal shard]

I know that I have a friend that has played the same time and made around the same friends as me

[hidden bridge]

or is that the problem

[scarlet flare]

on that account 🤔 @vocal shard

[vocal shard]

the moment when you see trusted steam users

However he’s a lot more obnoxious and gets blocked by a few. He’s just become known user while I’ve been trusted awhile

[finite kraken]

For some odd reason I thought vrchat came out with 2019 unity

[calm turret]

Fixed it

[vocal shard]

Even though he has posted several worlds and avatars and I have only 1 avatar

What was the solution* Mira?

[calm turret]

Idfk

I just restarted steam Vr again

[vocal shard]

Weird. Bugged out I guess

[languid beacon]

Having a vrc account is little issue now, you can become one after ranking up anyway

[vocal shard]

@scarlet flare yeah an alt account. My main account was made in 2017 before the trust system was added, so I didn't have to go through ranking up until I made a new account

I’m still spooked of connecting my account to steam

[pastel dirge]

@covert chasm next time could you add (updating steam makes you unable to see people who havent updated) since thats important information to pass out, i mean come on your the person who does announcements you need to learn how the update would effect your players, stop being lazy

[faint skiff]

@cerulean dock Apparently not, but it helps

[languid beacon]

There’s no reason to connect your account to steam. Unnecessary.

[ruby needle]

@pastel dirge please do not ping admins for non emergencies

[vocal shard]

I just wanted a safety net of having multiple connections instead of just my vr login

[faint skiff]

The worst is when you get kicked off mid session speaking to people and the game updates, so you literally cannot rejoin them. 😦

[pastel dirge]

it is an emergency since i was having fun in game steam updates and now i cant hang out with my group , stop being lazy stones and i will stop botherin you @ruby needle

[scarlet flare]

how dare you have an alt account

[ruby needle]

This is not an emergency at all

[vocal shard]

I don’t want my name to be reset. I made my account before the game surged so I got an original name

[pastel dirge]

it is

[ruby needle]

your friends need to update

A notification that could be send to players ingame would be nice but thats not here (yet)

[hidden bridge]

love how u added at all lol

[pastel dirge]

you need to tell people how update works

[vocal shard]

I’d be mortified if it was changed to something with a bunch of numbers and letters at the end

[pastel dirge]

dont blame people for your misstakes

thats just shitty

[vocal shard]

Not even sure if that’s possible but I’ve been told it is. Which is enough to steer me away from trying

[scarlet flare]

lmao 💜

[vocal shard]

Every update like this requires all the players to update otherwise they can't see eachother. Although he usually does mention it in the announcement. It's common knowledge by now though

[covert chasm]

I left it out this time, my bad

[scarlet flare]

*should be common knowledge

[pastel dirge]

@lunar knoll i am but since i cant play with my friends and im not going to ask 17 people to log out ditch game just for me im flaming these idiots for doing a shitty job

[covert chasm]

ok now that's rude

[faint skiff]

Is only game, why you hef be mad?

[inner cape]

pepega

[scarlet flare]

especially since the second line of the announcement is If you're using Steam, restart your Steam client to get the latest update. If you're on Oculus, you should automatically update.

[pastel dirge]

you was rude to hundreds of people by not announcing it so its patback

[scarlet flare]

it's literally right there.

[placid umbra]

[ruby needle]

you realise that the message beeing there doesnt change anything right?
your game would still update anyway.

people need to update

thats unavoidable

[faint skiff]

@scarlet flare You actually don't need to restart Steam for it to show up. It auto-updated for me a few seconds after the announcement.

[pastel dirge]

there is nowhere in there that says(those who have not updated cant see people in same world who have)

learn how your update work maybe

[vocal shard]

Maybe your friends didn’t update just to avoid you if this is your attitude

[scarlet flare]

i'm just saying that tupp did in fact mention updating

[faint skiff]

@cerulean dock Arthur.jpg

[covert chasm]

its the first update announcement i've done in nearly 2 years where i forgot to put it in

i think you'll be ok

😃

[pastel dirge]

there is nowhere in there that says(those who have not updated cant see people in same world who have) @vocal shard

[scarlet flare]

omg

[vocal shard]

Thanks for letting me know

[ruby needle]

you should asume that for basically every update

[vast tulip]

you'll live

[scarlet flare]

anyway >.>

[pastel dirge]

i know i can im just making a point, not everyone is an oldtmer,

you need to let people know these important stuff

[languid beacon]

Haha this chat

[pastel dirge]

i will right after he fix it with an wdit

[languid beacon]

❤

[scarlet flare]

yo chill. go tell your 17 friends to update and we can all move on with our lives.

[pastel dirge]

so you want me to let my friends update their game ,quit a game we been on for 3 hours just to restart it for me?

since i got dc and updated?

[languid beacon]

Thank you for fixing my mouth 😶

[scarlet flare]

I, on the other hand, will go visit my 545 friends who were smart enough to update on their own.

[vocal shard]

Well if they were your real friends...

[ruby needle]

a quick break for a update is the usual procedure in most groups

[covert chasm]

have you checked the announcement? I edited it. I've noted your complaint however, and i'll ensure that snippet is included in the future

[vocal shard]

[scarlet flare]

Tupper the real g in here

[covert chasm]

this is normal, typical, and expected behavior for updates in basically any application involving multiplayer

[scarlet flare]

I really shouldn't be laughing this hard at work I'm getting weird stares

[faint skiff]

That said, most multiplayer games kick you off when they update. They don't let existing people stay on and new users get segregated into new instances, at least not from what I've seen.

[languid beacon]

I can’t believe this is the current discussion honestly lol

[vast tulip]

I mean, usually, if youre having any kind of issues at all, in any game, including not seeing anyone, youre first response should always be, restart the game

[scarlet flare]

It won't be long before we get an in-game notification saying "UPDATE FOOL"

[faint skiff]

@covert chasm It makes sense as it keeps everyone online, but can lead to confusion. I wonder if there's some way of making the in-game load screens notify people that there are currently parallel instances running?

Because as it stands, the game tells you you're joining a friend, or that you are infact in their world, but clearly aren't.

[pastel dirge]

and thats the issue

[faint skiff]

(due to the version overlap, but separate instancing)

[pastel dirge]

that they have to tell people

[covert chasm]

like many things, we'd like to do it, but just takes time to get to and other tasks have higher priority

[agile hound]

hi there

[torn nebula]

@faint skiff https://vrchat.canny.io/feature-requests/p/send-notifications-to-online-users-when-a-new-version-is-released

[idle elm]

People pissed off about any minor things missing from announcements or the change log this time need to note that this is the most documented a new feature has ever been. It's awesome.

[agile hound]

what?

oh lol

[languid beacon]

Like a system wide in-game notification “a new update is available, you will not be able to see people that have updated until you update”

[scarlet flare]

yo the audio proximity bug was around for ever

so this is wonderful news

everyone sounded loud no matter the distance or angle

[pastel dirge]

fyi the audio from players is only heard from my right ears when i join some world, just fyi

[ruby needle]

also

stuck open mouth issue

[pastel dirge]

after update

[scarlet flare]

thats why "voice prioritization"

and yes thats going to exist until the worlds are updated

[vestal sleet]

Hmm interesting removing voice prioritization

[vocal shard]

Wait they fixed the stuck mouth? Or @ruby needle

[pastel dirge]

maybe announce that too?

[covert chasm]

Announce what?

[pastel dirge]

ok i give up, ill make my own announcements

[scarlet flare]

there is likely a fallback to ONSP still

[faint skiff]

@vestal sleet Not removed, it's now all rolled into the current setup

[covert chasm]

An item in our patchnotes?

[vestal sleet]

Well I mean I want it turn off sometimes

[ruby needle]

yes @vocal shard

[pastel dirge]

^

[tawny ore]

I have bad news.... The mirror in the room of the rain no longer works for flying

[vestal sleet]

Like when we r dancing it make it hard to hear the dj

[scarlet flare]

ooof

[vocal shard]

That’s freaking AWESOME.

[vestal sleet]

Oh wait tupper is here

[tawny ore]

Another bad news:
There's some brutal misuse of the video players that's gonna happen in the next few days

We managed to get 2 songs in, before naked ladies started appearing on the screen

Also avatars load a lot faster I think? <- especially for the avatar preview area in avatar select

[idle elm]

The fact that you can play an MP4 with the video players is not new.

[vestal sleet]

Well misuse of video player is going to happen anywhere everywhere

[ruby needle]

yes @vocal shard

even if it only was local

it was so anoying

[faint skiff]

I didn't enjoy looking continually surprised, lol

[pastel dirge]

i still dont see the edit

[vocal shard]

Yeah. I couldnt tell if I was doing a facial reaction or if it was broken. Worst @ruby needle

[flat narwhal]

Wait what new thing yall talking about earlier

Someone mentioned a new feature

[hard escarp]

Hi

[faint skiff]

@flat narwhal Better audio spacialisation and limiting.

[tawny ore]

Avatar sounds have the same distance falloff that voices do; which is amazing.

[flat narwhal]

Nice

Now if only we can fix the music issue in Void Club

:^)

[opaque hawk]

I would be sad because my meta joke spoken by a npc in one of my worlds is no longer relevant. But nobody got the joke

[vestal sleet]

Music issue in void club is due to YouTube dl

[flat narwhal]

Is there a way to fix it

[stoic halo]

the current update shouldve fixed it.

[flat narwhal]

Cool

[stoic halo]

patch notes claims to atleast.

[flat narwhal]

I'll be playing tonight

[pastel dirge]

im still waiting on that edit

on your announcement

[gleaming tulip]

why is my avatar all pixilated when opening back up in unity? Any clues how to fix?https://i.postimg.cc/8CMj9JS8/vsvdsvsdv.jpg

[tawny ore]

#avatars-2-general is where you wanna go

[pastel dirge]

zoom out

and go to scene

your welcome

[gleaming tulip]

TY

[vocal shard]

@pastel dirge it's already been edited. It's lower in the announcement

[true timber]

What exactly does this mean?

"Valve Index Controller users may find that their controllers are stuck in their hands during some launches"

[faint skiff]

Void club should really just host the audio on their own server(s) somewhere so that it doesn't break.

[tawny ore]

Means the example controllers you get during loading will keep on your hands

[true timber]

Fantastic

[pastel dirge]

it means your controllers wont dissapear like a magician

or like my dad

[tawny ore]

That's pretty wizardly

[hollow breach]

guys im back from my ban!

missed me?!?!?!

[pastel dirge]

welcome back from my bad im dad

why were you banned?

[hollow breach]

Apparently a mod thought i was doing the creeper meme when I really wasnt

[pastel dirge]

whats a creeper meme

[flat narwhal]

Ur mum

[hollow breach]

the other 2 people were, but my text was in the middle of it, so i guess they thought i did it

if anything i just interrupted it

[pastel dirge]

whats a creeper name?

[scarlet flare]

wait is YouTube-dl auto update in the official client now?

[hollow breach]

Im honestly afraid to explain cause they might ban me again xD

[pastel dirge]

banned for interupting creeper meme Kappa

[scarlet flare]

hecc

[flat narwhal]

Creeper aw man

[pastel dirge]

you can pm me original

[flat narwhal]

It's a song

[scarlet flare]

but it could auto update the vrc specific patch

I kinda wanna join the vrc team but like

I have so many projects and a full time job already

[pastel dirge]

so question lets say i dont update unity sdk, what happens? am i not allowed to upload avatar or does it still work

[flat narwhal]

They can always stream the songs from spotify

[scarlet flare]

it's not so much updates as patches at the moment

because YouTube api is garbage

[faint skiff]

Youtube-dl doesn't use an API, it's a dirty hack which is why it keeps having to be updated

Youtube explicitly disallow things like YouTube-DL in the first place.

[true timber]

It's obnoxious having to have YouTube videos be broken for over a month

[scarlet flare]

that's what I mean when I say it's garbage.

[faint skiff]

If these are videos/songs people want to keep available forever, stick them on third party hosting and link to those.

[scarlet flare]

YouTube API doesn't actually exist.

[true timber]

Shouldn't take a month to fix

[faint skiff]

It can break literally minutes after they update it

[vocal shard]

Just go use rabbit before it’s gone forever

[faint skiff]

I wonder if someone could make a bouncer... so that youtube-dl calls are proxied through another server which has it's own version it keeps up to date so people don't need to keep theirs updated. Would need more thought though.

[vocal shard]

i really like how almost all audio sources on my avatars are broken 😏

And as said before, they have a lot of other priorities atm. I’m not so experienced that I can say if that’s possible, but you know. We probably won’t see that for awhile

[faint skiff]

It would be a user/world thing rather than VRC to be honest.

Hmm, this picture makes it seem like that if you're stood in a circle, you'll have trouble hearing people next to you... https://miro.medium.com/max/700/1*39HQbyyKlBBAkXEpqOfRPQ.png

[grave dagger]

Its more like people staring at mirrors while talking wont hear their friends as loud as before

[covert chasm]

its a pretty slight reduction in volume. I'd encourage you to try it before drawing conclusions

(also, this has been in the client forever. we're just only documenting it now. you've had it the whole time)

[faint skiff]

Ah, fair enough then

[scarlet flare]

hey tupp

can we go to the drawing room later and I'll draw some conclusions on your arm

[odd beacon]

that vaguely sounds like a threat

[mental shuttle]

awesome updates. havent tried it out yet though. but really glad mouth shouldnt get stuck anymore and menu audio being gone

[neon flume]

Yeah I'm excited to try out the new audio too, sounds like it'll really help with conversations in groups.

[mental shuttle]

Yeah audio is really important in a thing like VRC

[rough pulsar]

If it's still as good or better than last I tried it in the open beta it solves so many problems.

[vocal shard]

To the guy I told to use rabb.it earlier, never mind. Rabb.it is officially dead

[vast tulip]

@rough pulsar its better now, the far is handled better then last I was in the beta with you

[vocal shard]

friend of mine got banned from here for pointing out a bug in the current beta lol

[covert chasm]

We don't do that. Who's your friend? 🤔

[vocal shard]

well not really a friend

someone posted about it in another server

[faint skiff]

"I mean he pointed it out by crashing everyone he could..."

[vocal shard]

i dunno, but if he crashed people then he probably deserved it

[covert chasm]

So this person who wasn't your friend wasn't banned for pointing out a bug?

[vocal shard]

i read about it earlier today in touhou vr

[covert chasm]

So you read about a person who wasn't your friend, who wasn't banned for pointing out a bug, but instead was banned for crashing users?

[vocal shard]

i dunno if he was banned for crashing

i thought enverex said that

[faint skiff]

I was being sarcastic, hence the quotation marks

[covert chasm]

So... you read about a person, who wasn't your friend, who you thought got banned for pointing out a bug, but you're actually not sure why they got banned? 😄

[vocal shard]

oh

[cold talon]

wait is this about rokk?

[umbral reef]

Rokk got clapped?

[cold talon]

he got banned for saying that generic rigs are still broken or something :lul

leme check with him

[pastel dirge]

this update broke everything voice worlds even players xd

[vocal shard]

yeah thats the one

[cold talon]

yup, thats him lool

[floral quiver]

Will the menu background noise ever come back? I liked its than silence in worlds

[pastel dirge]

my friend send me a picture of 2 people with same name as me in same world

[vocal shard]

i saw him post about generic rigs in open beta discussion but now the post is gone

[cold talon]

small world we live in huh

[covert chasm]

@pastel dirge How are they broken? Can you reproduce the issue? If so, please make a bug report post on our Client Bug Feedback boards: https://feedback.vrchat.com

[vocal shard]

its already on the canny

i got linked to it

walk animations dont work remotely or something

[umbral reef]

Well, cant call rokk innocent or a saint ingame lmao

[vocal shard]

who uses generic rigs anyway?

[covert chasm]

Yes, we're aware of that issue and have it internally tracked.

[faint skiff]

@umbral reef What did he do then?

[covert chasm]

Several of our more creative users make some interesting avatars that are generic

so it is important to fix, but its a matter of getting to it and prioritizing tasks.

[umbral reef]

Not here to snitch but i wont doubt the ban is about other stuff

[frosty veldt]

Its not generic rigs in a sense its more things that arnt humanoid muscle movements not working

[vocal shard]

generics don't use humanoid muscles right? so the bug also extends there?

[cold talon]

he is exploring the game indepth and finds bugs, but he never used them for malicious purposes

[frosty veldt]

Basically yeah IIRC

[floral quiver]

Tupper was the menu background sound affect removed intentionally?

[umbral reef]

@cold talon I recall him being stupidly close and almost actively taking steps to not do that last part tho

[vocal shard]

he invited me to his instance once and hit me with a teleport bat

[silk shadow]

hi

i'm new any one want to hang out i need some friends XD

[vocal shard]

im sure vrchat has people for you to make friends with

[severe pilot]

@vocal shard that's why is called vrchat

[covert chasm]

@floral quiver If it is in the patch notes, it is intentional

[severe pilot]

@vocal shard that's why is called vrchat

[faint skiff]

@floral quiver Yes as it was wearing away people's sanity lol

[desert stratus]

tickticktickticktick, nobody's gonna miss that noise

[crystal quartz]

did anyone do the new dark waters 2 map by ghostly and had no item spawned in the treasure of the green bossroom ?

[floral quiver]

Ohh itd the cyber

Couldnt it have been an option then. I liked it alot

[frosty veldt]

I thought that menu sound was there to force you to not keep the menu open for too long tbh

"stop looking at the menu and talk to someone"

[pastel dirge]

xd

[floral quiver]

I used it to help keep my headphones from auto turning off XD

[pastel dirge]

thats the mirror

[floral quiver]

If i had to quickly get something

[vocal shard]

Tupper

omg if mirrors made a beeping sound i would be so happy

[floral quiver]

Hahaha

People can do that by adding a sound affect to button press

[vocal shard]

Tupper does the patch fix the server problems?

No more ik lag or people vanishing from the instance???

[floral quiver]

I hope so

[cold talon]

people not vanishing form instances?

cant allow that.
hold my beer

[vocal shard]

Oh no

Super hackerman bahka

Ill report you to tupper 😂

[covert chasm]

Server issues are unrelated to the client, basically

we're on it, but turns out its kinda complicated /shrug

[cinder wasp]

Good day to all, how are you doing?

[cold talon]

yo tupper, Dying boi wants to report me to you

just letting you know, thats all

[vocal shard]

Hello would anyone play a scary game with me and my friend

were too scared we need at least 2 more people

I couldnt sleep because its 30 celsius and ive been awake for over 36 hours

I went to class and almost died

woah

[clear merlin]

hey guys

[vocal shard]

Maybe i will be able to sleep tonight

[clear merlin]

kuro?

is that you?

[stray temple]

I think #moderation-reports need to have e-mail address to report person, I assume...

[ruby needle]

http://help.vrchat.com/new

[stray temple]

Yeah, I know it is on website but everytime need to go and paste it for someone is not making sense sometimes.
As can not attach user name sometimes as people claimed.

[rancid vessel]

Anyone else seem to be lagging more than usual in VRChat today since the update?

Some worlds where i would get 90fps i am only getting 60fps right now and I've seen it dip lower and this is with Avatars disabled..

I am on FX-6300 CPU.. So i could upgrade easily to the FX-8350 if need be..

[ruby needle]

Are you on desktop?

[rancid vessel]

Yes.

[signal wren]

oh you mean getting randomly DC"ed when ever you enter a room so the onlway you can play it is by boosting your own internet because you can't even download anything because it's DCing everything xD

[ruby needle]

The FX Chips are the worst CPU's out there

if you do anything with the PC then trow away that trash

[rancid vessel]

It's the only computer i got for the time being..

[signal wren]

Not everyone is rich :/

[rancid vessel]

So I can't just throw it out 😦

[signal wren]

the average normal pc can cost 700+ just for a basic build.

[ruby needle]

Thats right

tho

for a gaming build

[signal wren]

I build my pc back then

it's 4 years old 700+ and it has an i5

it works FINE with vrchat

and a 960

[ruby needle]

mid class ryzen, low budget motherbaord, 16gb ram and then what ever gpu you can afford should get you something decent for a good price tho

[signal wren]

I have no drops in anything other then server related stuff.

[vocal shard]

hi?

[desert stratus]

1 grand is the golden number for a PC thats just a bit of a cut above the rest, will last 3-4 years, and will never call you fat or betray you (1,000 USD)

[rancid vessel]

I tried iBuypower for ryzen 7, and that was a epic failure for me. .I got like the PC to me 2 times and it wouldn't boot so i had to return it.. So being out of luck for a little longer.

[ruby needle]

dont buy pre build PC's

[desert stratus]

buy prebuilts if you have $3,000 and know someone who makes custom PCs

and also be prepared to maintain a custom water cooling loop

[cold talon]

ho ley jeisus, prebuild PCs here we go

[rancid vessel]

I'm not going to do water cooling, I don't plan to OC, and water cooling is only really needing if you want a silent PC or plan to Overclock is what i am told in the tech communities 😃

[ruby needle]

watercooling for silent, nah

only if you really have a strong OC and a lot of heat

and only custom watercooling

However, let's get back on topic

[clear merlin]

guys!

[desert stratus]

yesh?

[cold talon]

sorry cant respond, im a girl.

[vocal shard]

lol

[pale bough]

hello strangers

[vocal shard]

lol prebuilt pc what is that

why would you buy that lmao

[obsidian pagoda]

nice update idiots

[vocal shard]

yikes

[cold talon]

ouch

[vocal shard]

anyone know if the dev team for vrchat is working on those mirrors?

🔨

[obsidian pagoda]

yeah would really like my UI sounds individually changeable because i dont wanna hear the shitty menu music, but i would like to hear it when i select shit\

[cold talon]

they fixed some reflection bugs from what i heard, but nothing much otherwise

[vocal shard]

just adjust your sliders

[obsidian pagoda]

you can't

[vocal shard]

what

[obsidian pagoda]

they combined them

[cold talon]

uh you do hear when selecting things, its just the background loop that got removed

[obsidian pagoda]

• Master

• UI/Menu

• World

• Voices

• Avatars

[vocal shard]

is vr chat broken?

all worlds dont have people when joijing

?

[slate verge]

my avatar is taking a long time to load in so probably

[torpid dome]

i need some help in #world-development

[frosty veldt]

@vocal shard Have you updated? Make sure it says build 825 in the menu

[vocal shard]

ye updating now

[worthy oracle]

hmm

[proper crystal]

hi i started VRchat, so what is the goal ?

[worthy oracle]

avatar volume seems pretty low now

onsp audio source removed?

even at 100 it can be quiet

unless its intentionally an "earrape" avatar

and the quality of the audio itself doesn't seem that good

;;-;

[slate verge]

is it just me or did the game got more saturated?

[worthy oracle]

not sure

all i know is that avatar audio sounds really trashy and quiet

[rocky blaze]

so index are wireframe?

[iron thunder]

I need to record myself crawling through a dirt tunnel like I just dug my way out of prison. ANyone know a map?

[ruby burrow]

@obsidian pagoda The menu background sound has been removed.

Should mean you can just use a normal volume for menu audio.

[vestal pier]

Clear cache

[ashen harbor]

so trying to do a dance loop for a hand gesture and the avatar goes invisible when I do the gesture

[obsidian pagoda]

@ruby burrow but i dont wanna hear that shitty music when loading

[ashen harbor]

also apparently the audio settings are different now as well

[obsidian pagoda]

that's what im saying

[ashen harbor]

so now I gotta figure out how to fix that shit

[obsidian pagoda]

devs need to stop deleting shit and calling it better

[vestal pier]

What did they delete

[obsidian pagoda]

my ability to customise sound more specifically

[vestal pier]

in what instance

[obsidian pagoda]

why not just make a pop out menu for audio?

[ashen harbor]

basically they removed a lot of settings for sound

for example apparently gain doesn't do shit anymore

[obsidian pagoda]

i want menu sound, but i dont want loading sound

but i can't now because it's the same option

[ashen harbor]

trying to import the new sdk but unity keeps crashing

rip my fucking avatars

[obsidian pagoda]

vrchat's project prolly be called MyFirstUnityProject

[ashen harbor]

seeing if unity crashes this time

[obsidian pagoda]

It's just like, they make stupid changes/remove things/break shit so often that i really don't think they care to listen to what the players think unless it's about fucking avatar performance

[ashen harbor]

been spending hours trying to get a stupid hand gesture to loop a dance cuz emotes are limited to 1m

got the new sdk to import without crashing

basically my issue was at first that when I did the gesture it only animated the hand and I found a video that did something different and its closer to working but still meh

like I can see how it would work but vrchat just makes me go invisible and some hand gestures get affected that aren't even a part of it

like I don't even know at this point

[rancid vessel]

The update broke werewolf as well, Have to turn volume to 125% on my end to even hear it and even then, Its very very silent.

[ashen harbor]

HOLY SHIT

bro the emitted sound is soooo fucking distorted

like wtf gonna have to mess with settings

like wtf

[ruby needle]

if you had super loud stuff on it thats now getting highly compressed then yes

that'll sound awfull

[ashen harbor]

it was honestly quiet

even at 100% avatar volume could barely hear over people talking

[vestal pier]

does this mean i can finally turn avatar sounds back on without the fear of my ears being mutilated

[ashen harbor]

I just noticed

its unity being retarded with doppler I guess?

like my emote is moving around and on the side it shows the listener moving like crazy from left to right

so I don't know

yeah sounds way better with doppler at 0 wtf never had that before even with it at 1

so basically doppler got exaggerated a SHIT TON

so yeah turn doppler off completely

[clear merlin]

@slate verge you are still here?!

[slate verge]

yes

[clear merlin]

remember me

?

[severe pilot]

hi

[ashen harbor]

damn

emotes still have a 1m limit

o whoops

anyway I just wanna do the whole chika dance

but its 1m and 30s

[severe pilot]

will a low cpu improve game ping?

[slate verge]

@clear merlin not really, but sounds familiar...sorry...

[severe pilot]

dang most servers are ded

[vocal shard]

anyone else not able to log into the website?

[mossy walrus]

I was having trouble logging in with Firefox, but Edge browser let me log in.

[slate verge]

ooooof recent world listing are deleted

[thin rover]

since the update, theres a wireframe of my controllers showing up all the time regardless of if i am using a menu or anything. how do i make it go away?

[meager solstice]

@thin rover index controllers?

[thin rover]

yes @meager solstice

[meager solstice]

It’s a bug that they r notified of

[thin rover]

oh, well thats annoying. at-least its not something obvious i could have done.

[meager solstice]

Nope kinda just showed up late in the beta

Probably have a hot fix soon for it

[torpid dome]

i know this isn't the right chat for this but, i made a world and every time i join into it it crashes and sends me to home

(i'm posting this in this chat because it's more active)

[round eagle]

Likely cause network issues rn.

[torpid dome]

ok

[round eagle]

^ above also works

[torpid dome]

it cool

also i don't think it's network issues because i can load into other worlds perfectly fine

[round eagle]

weird thing is it applys to both lol.

[plucky nebula]

How do I turn off the remote wireframes in the game for my index?

[torpid dome]

relaunching works for my problem too?

[round eagle]

Might fix it, worse case you need to fix something with the world in particular and it isnt your game.

[torpid dome]

ok, i hope my world isn't broken

[vocal shard]

VRC login not work?

🤔 🤔 🤔

[plucky nebula]

Idk, I wanna get these wireframes off

[torpid dome]

something that could be wrong is i'm using a different version of unity but it's not that old, i shouldn't cause that many problems

plus i don't know how to update it

[vocal shard]

FIX IT @covert chasm

[torpid dome]

fix what

[dreamy saddle]

Hi

[torpid dome]

how do i get the new version of unity hub and will i get my world back in the new version

[wild sleet]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lIza6bnfXP4

[vocal shard]

VRC login dead!

Website and Game

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/572220483207036937/606317971027132426/unknown.png

[torpid dome]

and the sdk

it said the same thing in unity

[sleek bone]

It's probably having a downtime.

[torpid dome]

ye

[sleek bone]

Can't even upload my avatar.

[vocal shard]

Super dumb, tupper go fix

[dreamy saddle]

sahh dude

[torpid dome]

hi

[shell marsh]

fix. now.

[ripe sluice]

howdy gamers can i get a yeehaw in chat

[torpid dome]

yeehaw gamer

[shell marsh]

yeeeeeehaw

[severe pilot]

yeehaww gaymer

[lunar ledge]

gay -w-

nooooo

unity isnt working -w-

[small wing]

haw yee

that's right I'm a rebel what are you goin do about it.

[gleaming wedge]

cough cough quality control on updates

[small wing]

Hoh boi

I wanna say something about that but you wouldn't listen to me.

[sleek bone]

huh?

[vocal shard]

Hey guys who did know some very funny Avatars world ?

[earnest fiber]

vrchat is back up

[vocal shard]

no

[tight jackal]

The vrc traders wont accept my phone

[sleek bone]

Ask the mods/admins

[tight jackal]

I did they wont answer

Said there was nothing they can do

[vocal shard]

hey so im trying to log into unity and its saying the response was full and won't log me in. i read the annoucments but that was 30 minutes ago. are the servers still down and is the reason i cant login into the sdk

ye I have that too 😐

[noble dirge]

So. I got told no spamming for typing one message. nice.

[vocal shard]

we'll have to wait a little

[carmine nebula]

Fix something huge, break something similarly huge.

[tight jackal]

....

[noble dirge]

im just waiting for video players to be fixed since rabbit is gone now

[vocal shard]

welp shit imma play something else till it comes back

also rabb.it got adopted by something called kass @noble dirge

[carmine nebula]

I hardly play as much anymore anyway. So these oof's never bother me at this point for the desperate needs to get back in

[vocal shard]

please fix, i wanna meet friends and upload new shit

[slate verge]

chill, they're looking into it

[vocal shard]

realllly???!! noooooooo!!!??? i didnt know that???!!

[noble dirge]

i aint usin no kass, unless its bird husbando from BoTW

[vocal shard]

goddamn it every where i go someone has to mention "Kass is hot"

dont get me wrong i love his character, and i hope he's in the sequel but like damn

everyone is wet for the botw cast

also adopted so most likely itll just be rabb.it but under a new name or something

its technically isnt dead

welp if you excuse me imma play custom zombies until servers get fixed

[pallid flicker]

everytime you log into vrchat i want you all to notice the red dot in the right corner.

[rigid crescent]

just logged in twice 🤔 didnt see a dot

[pallid flicker]

look harder

bottom right

[silk bane]

hi i cant logein my user can u help me

[rigid crescent]

https://puu.sh/DZQyb/ed19e170bf.png

[pallid flicker]

i see it right there

[rigid crescent]

uhuh

[pallid flicker]

can i send you a screenshot of it?

[rigid crescent]

you can post screenshots in this channel if you host them somewhere

[pallid flicker]

you wont be able to unsee it

[rigid crescent]

lol i just re-homed and still dont notice is, so i unsaw it

[noble dirge]

p.s. pls stop changing audio k thanks nwn

[torpid dome]

My world still keeps crashing when i load in, I've tried updating my unity, disabling dynamic materials and removing scripts from custom assets
what else should i try?

(wrong channel again, i know)

is it the fact that i'm not user rank? Does not having user rank mean you can't play your world at all?

[placid umbra]

Login issues should be resolved now, is everyone able to log in again?

[torpid dome]

i am

[still lark]

Can confirm, can login now.

[queen mango]

I am able to login right now

[torpid dome]

does anyone have any help for my problem with my world? Idk if it's a common thing

[still lark]

Did you explain in #world-development ?

[torpid dome]

yes, no response yet

that's why i asked here

[carmine nebula]

Some friends of mine said the login was completely offline

[faint skiff]

So the new audio system seems to be giving me a headache and I'm trying to figure out why. Without being able to test it properly, I think it's because if something's to my immediate left (or right) you only hear it 100% in that ear, nothing at all in the other ear, which causes ear fatigue. I'd appreciate if anyone else could confirm if they've noticed the same issue.

[carmine nebula]

🤷

[fresh iris]

Can some one help me with VRC i cant publish my world it keeps saying
Last build VRChat scene could not be found

in unity

[rough pulsar]

@faint skiff I've been encountering some subtle intermittent odd sound behaviour lately. Both in the previous release and the latest one. Like sometimes some people sound louder in one ear than the other, despite them not moving at all.

[fresh iris]

can i get any help?

[torpid dome]

^

[faint skiff]

@rough pulsar Normally it's fine, but it seems there's some certain (near) position that causes it to only be heard through that one ear. It's hard narrowing it down though, especially when I can't "look" to see where they are without kinda negating the issue in the first place. I wonder if recording audio to play back later and isolate it would help...

I've only noticed it since this update. I'll check again tomorrow as it's 5:22am now :/

[fresh iris]

#user-support-old need help plz

[foggy raven]

i dont see deferens with sound

[rough pulsar]

Yeah, that sounds somewhat similar to what I've encountered. It's not full-on LR channel flipping like the old audio bug, but it's got some vague similarities.

[faint skiff]

I only recognise the symptoms as I used to rip Amiga audio which uses 100% stereo separation and was notorious for causing ear fatigue and headaches.

[rough pulsar]

I mean, I haven't seen much difference with the sound either but I wasn't specifically looking. Everyone looks the same with the new audio system to me.

[fresh iris]

#user-support-old plz guys i nee help

[clear merlin]

ok

[limber thunder]

is it me, or is it whenever you get farther away from someone, they get mufffled? Seems like this update kinda messed up the audio a bit

I like how they made the ui sounds more crisp though

[covert chasm]

It is intentional, we put it in the patch notes 😃