#vrchat-general-2

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hollow comet
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@covert chasm

quiet oasis
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:partyblob: I WANNA :partyblob: I WANNA :partyblob:

faint skiff
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You want to party blob?

true sky
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nitro emotes dont work in here anymore @quiet oasis

quiet oasis
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that ish sad

vocal shard
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holaa

quiet oasis
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aaloh

vocal shard
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hooii how are u?

quiet oasis
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dead inside... but no worries! I'll keep a smile on my face.

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^_^

vocal shard
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Wait whaa why?

quiet oasis
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emotes dont work in here anymore

vocal shard
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OHH NO.. Dies how?

quiet oasis
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no emotion no life

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practically dead

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correction
nitro emotes dont work in here anymore

vocal shard
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yooo wait.. @weary bison why is there no more emotes? ;-;

quiet oasis
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nitro emotes

vocal shard
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yeah!

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that one.. xD

quiet oasis
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my :partyblob: is just plain text now

rigid crescent
still lark
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What are rules? :P

vocal shard
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uwu

quiet oasis
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to lazy to read

rigid crescent
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basically

vocal shard
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no one knows.. xD

rigid crescent
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i mean breaking them can get you kicked so, probably smart to read them

quiet oasis
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how can you break something that's already broken?

umbral reef
vocal shard
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jare jare..

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vrpill 3

weary bison
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I've been keeping my DMs open for now, so you're free to ask me about that kind of thing

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custom Nitro emoji are usually disabled for regular users

faint skiff
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I don't understand those tiny anime emotes, probably because they're too small to even see what's happening.

quiet oasis
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How dare you insult tiny emotes!

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they are cute and beautiful!

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apologize now!

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Got to Go

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bye2

queen mango
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If I remember right, one of the admins had to change the emoji perms for this channel because of some 'unforeseen' events.

vocal shard
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Ohhh.. yikes..

wise perch
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yikes

lemme guess.... ahegeo faces spammed....?

glossy wharf
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If you cant properly mod, just ban it šŸ¤”

queen mango
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Not those things, thankfully. I don't really know why, though.

vocal shard
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who is ahegeo?

umbral reef
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Can we get them back then if there is no reason (or we dont even know) for it to be banned?

vocal shard
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I am confused aaa!! XD

delicate relic
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It’s not a person.

vocal shard
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ohh okay then.. what is it?

delicate relic
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Hmmmm. I think it’s best either you don’t know or you look it up.

vocal shard
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no no! come on.. tell me! plz

umbral reef
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Its a NSFW thing so its not right for this chat to talk about

vocal shard
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Ohh like.. uhhmm the porn thing? xD

delicate relic
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But I mean...if your really curious. Then you can always use the internet to find out what it means.

faint skiff
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I mean it probably wasn't any more explicit than what you'd see after 5 minutes in VRC šŸ˜‰

vocal shard
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okaay so what's the name again? XD

delicate relic
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Ahegao

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XD

vocal shard
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Arigato! XD

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Ohh okay.. now I see what it is..

dusk swallow
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for somereason im on safe mode in vrchat an idk why

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-_-

delicate relic
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It happens a lot when you press certain buttons at the same time. You can turn it off in settings.

vocal shard
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I don't know what even safemode does xD

delicate relic
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It’s basically so you can’t see or hear anyone that’s not your friend

vocal shard
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ohh wooow I see xD

faint skiff
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I mean ahegao doesn't have to be NSFW. Maybe she just has an itch that she's really happy to be able to scratch...

delicate relic
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I have accidentally done it many times. Especially when in VR

vocal shard
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xDD I never done it

delicate relic
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XD. Lucky

vocal shard
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xD how is that lucky!?

delicate relic
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It’s annoying xD.

vocal shard
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xDD wait why do you guys turn that on anyway?

faint skiff
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Eyerape/earrape shaders and sounds

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You often can't see your menu when you're attacked

delicate relic
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Or you just turn it on accidentally....like I do.

vocal shard
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xDDD ohh I see

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but why.. xD

delicate relic
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2.1k hours in the game and I still do it facepalm

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Because....as enverex said above. If people spam and stuff so you can’t see your menu you can just turn it on by the press of a button.

vocal shard
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Wait whaa 2.1k?! XD

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Do you have the vr thing?

faint skiff
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I honestly don't understand how anyone could play VRC without VR, it would be so... boring.

wise perch
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....plays the desktop variant cos ey can't afford a VR quite yet

vocal shard
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Awwwhh.. xD

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Does the same

faint skiff
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Is it not just like a rubbish chatroom in pancake mode?

vocal shard
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vr game with out vr!. .. still fun! but you know.. not.. that fun xD

wise perch
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eeh.... yea, I can relate that XD
it's no fun not bein able to talk with my hands XD

vocal shard
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Hello.

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Yeahh true.. I mean like it is fun! when you.. talk and make jokes.. and stuff xD and hello darlk angel

faint skiff
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I mean being in the world is very different than just looking at it.

vocal shard
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I wonder how much does full body thingy cost.. uwu

wise perch
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also true, Enve.

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I see everyone's pictures in the room below and I get a little envious, ngl. T,T

faint skiff
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Headset + Controllers + Base Stations + 3 trackers. You're looking at £900 or so minimum really (with a Vive) or £1250 with an Index.

vocal shard
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Yeah!! same xD

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Ohh... Jumps from a bridge

vestal sleet
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There is cheaper options just doesn't work as well

vocal shard
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Ohh you mean!.. uhmm.. me buying a used one?

faint skiff
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The main issue with FBT is the trackers themselves are really expensive. They're £100 PER TRACKER which is crazy.

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And you need at least 3.

vocal shard
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... ;-;

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100$.. I don't have that much money..

faint skiff
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All that just to give you foot tracking seems a bit much to me.

vestal sleet
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No Kinect

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Or nolo

vocal shard
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yeah.. is there like uhhmm you know.. 4 trackers but for 300$

vestal sleet
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Having feet is great

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Is it 300$ great that depend on person

pure hemlock
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Honestly FBT just increases imerrsion significantly but yah, the vive trackers should be half of what they sell them for.

vocal shard
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Now I want it.. xD

faint skiff
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I'd buy them for £30 each but no way for £100 each

vocal shard
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AHHHHHH

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I mean.. tbh lets be real even 30$ is allot xD if it was like.. 20 or 24 then sure but 100 hll no..

faint skiff
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Kinect works but requires you to always face the camera so it's a bit naff

vestal sleet
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Kinect is really niche I wouldn't recommend as a solution other than to try it out

umbral reef
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30 for a really specific tech that has a fair bit of research and development behind it is stupidly cheap...

vocal shard
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Wait why are we talking about this when we all know we can't buy it.. xD

umbral reef
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That would not get them the development costs back as there is almost no game that supports it or even can properly support it.

vestal sleet
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Also I need to play with kneepad now because full body is too great and damage my leg

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šŸ˜–

vocal shard
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awwhh.. xD

vestal sleet
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If you dance full body is fking great tho

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If you don't then it come down to 300$ for immersion feet (if vive tracker )

vocal shard
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You know what I wonder.. if there is like.. a body for your body! that like.. can make you feel when ppl are touching you xD

vestal sleet
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Yes

vocal shard
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There is!? XD

faint skiff
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@umbral reef Not really, it's not their own R&D, it's Valves which they've released as open for anyone to use

dusk swallow
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can anybody help me for a sec

faint skiff
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HTC are just profiteering from it as no-one else is making them

vocal shard
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Sure drip with what ho?

faint skiff
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@vestal sleet I won't ask why you're on your knees often enough to need knee-pads šŸ˜‰

vestal sleet
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U already know u been here enough

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But it is all bruised up that discord wouldn't let me send a picture to my friends cuz it is "explicit"

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Well it is not as bad as it as that seem actually

vocal shard
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Guys guys!! I need tips

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Who is really really good with girls? but in real life xD

vestal sleet
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No one

vocal shard
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Oh... xD dmt..

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Then I need to talk with a girl.. uwu

fair marsh
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:/

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Just don't go weird on them . That's bout it.

vocal shard
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But what if!! the girl is like.. a bit weird her self?

fair marsh
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Hmmm šŸ¤”

delicate relic
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Girl? What is that entity?

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And yes I play with vr

fair marsh
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Well just don't go weird on her . I guess just build le friendship

faint skiff
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Notice: $femalePresence: Not defined.

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You and the other 20 guys orbiting her like some weird circus.

delicate relic
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Yeah well as long as your not a creep it should be fine.

unreal shard
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I meet the wierdest people when i play vrchat. Is that normal?

delicate relic
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Everyone on VRChat is a bit weird.

faint skiff
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If they were normal, they wouldn't be playing VRChat

delicate relic
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Exactly

faint skiff
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Welcome to the freak show

unreal shard
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Oh ok

vestal sleet
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God damn u guys r werid

fair marsh
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I'm normal

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I use nikei avatar from legacy avatar only

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:)

wise perch
delicate relic
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Well I actually stopped playing vrc to spend time with my gf. I play it rarely. After 2.1k hours is not enjoyable for me anymore

vocal shard
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I was changing sorry! xD

delicate relic
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Big sad

fair marsh
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Oof

vocal shard
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Ohh okay...

faint skiff
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Maybe your GF now fills that hole that previously you used VRChat to try and fill?

vocal shard
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Gotta go cya! ā¤

fair marsh
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Alrighty ..

delicate relic
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Maybe.

fair marsh
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Hmm.

hollow breach
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Missing GMod textures?!??!??

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What are you doing here?!?!

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I swore I bought cs source!

vestal sleet
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Just play vrc with gf

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Best of both worlds

unreal shard
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I don't know what i would call the best of both worlds

languid beacon
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VRChat exclusively selects the people who have VR headsets before they went mainstream. We are all a bit eccentric and strange

hollow breach
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How dare you call me strange

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I will not have it

unreal shard
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Hey, you guys know who pumpkinmon is right? I think he's the character i'm gonna be from now on.

hollow breach
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Who tf is pumpkinmon

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DM me as I’m lazy to search this up

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Like a picture

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And explanation

unreal shard
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Well, to put it short, he's from Digimon.

hollow breach
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Ew

faint skiff
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It's a Digimon with a pumpkin for a head.

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Somewhat unsurprisingly

hollow breach
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PokƩmon > digimon

unreal shard
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And he's adorable

tawny ore
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I am adorable. Ain't nobody taking my crown.

hollow breach
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Stfu

tawny ore
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fite me, 1v1 i rek ya mum

hollow breach
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Ez

unreal shard
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@tawny ore No, i'm not saying he's as adorable as you.

tawny ore
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meet in wildy lvl 50

hollow breach
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No

tawny ore
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Thank you @unreal shard

hollow breach
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Meet me on rust

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360 no scopes

tawny ore
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I genuinely have no idea what I or you are talking about

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XD I quoted something from the internet I heard once

hollow breach
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U don’t know what rust is ; (

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I’m sadden

vestal sleet
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Tfw someone doesn't know rust

hollow breach
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I will go cri by myself on rust now

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I just want to throw my knife at someone there ; (

tawny ore
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Hol' up a minute.... isn't rust that really, really, really fugly looking game?

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where people have rocks and stuff

hollow breach
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FUGLY?!?!?!???!

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No it’s not a game

tawny ore
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Oh I'm glad, I wouldn't want to have a game associated with Rust on any level

hollow breach
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It’s a map on MW2

tawny ore
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Rust was a good map in MW2

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Too small for the killstreak rewards though

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AC130 and everyone dies

hollow breach
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Then why did u say u didn’t know what I was talking about...

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Smh

tawny ore
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Because I remember something rust-sounding being a horrific looking game thing

hollow breach
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Smh, ur not a tru gamer

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A real gamer would INSTANTLY know what I’m talking about

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Gamers rise up plz

tawny ore
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uhh excuse my confusion when you call out a MAP that is named exactly the same as a GAME

hollow breach
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Like I said

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A tru gamer would know EXACTLY what I’m talking about

unreal shard
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Top 5 Truest gamers

hollow breach
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@vestal sleet tru gamer, I see u :3

tawny ore
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You want to now a true gamer?.... Valhalla, Halo.

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BR's only, fite me bruv

hollow breach
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Halo reach is da best :3

tawny ore
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You know nothing of gaming.

hollow breach
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My first console was the N64

unreal shard
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I know a thing or two

hollow breach
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And I’m born in the 2000’s

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FITEE MEEE

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@tawny ore its a map in halo 3, I know

faint skiff
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Halo, Cod... it's the XBox Live Kiddie Crew in here today.

hollow breach
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I was one of those Squeakers in the Xbox 360 days : 3

tawny ore
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Nah man; Unreal Tournament 1

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Get that sexy redeemer and go to town

unreal shard
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I feel like there should be a podcast channel on this discord

hollow breach
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Wtf

faint skiff
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I remember the UT1 intro would glitch out on my SoundBlaster 128 and the voiceover would be super loud and clipped to all hell.

hollow breach
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I swear valhalla is a map in halo 3

tawny ore
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It is.

hollow breach
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Ye so I was rite

sick elm
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Good morning every1

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or whatever time of day it is for you all, lol

tawny ore
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Afternoon here, it's too hot, please switch off the sun for an hour or so

unreal shard
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Just delete the sun

tawny ore
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Nah then we'd hit the polar opposite problem

languid beacon
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This kills the man

sick elm
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lol

tawny ore
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Also it'd be pretty friggin dark without the sun

sick elm
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I hate the sun here

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It's 100F+ where I live in daytime hours

tawny ore
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That's 30C for those who are intelligent

languid beacon
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Phoenix as well I see

sick elm
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Nah, Las Vegas

tawny ore
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Las Phoenix

unreal shard
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Yeah, good point. Because the sun is pretty much the only source of life in this universe

languid beacon
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Oh this planet yes

tawny ore
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Without the sun, the planet would cool down, all liquid-based entities would freeze and that's where we die

unreal shard
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And legends say a brave man found a way to harness the power of the sun

tawny ore
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Yes it's called a solar panel

sick elm
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SUNNY D

tawny ore
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^ two different people

sick elm
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Yes, in drink form

tawny ore
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Many caps

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"too many caps" would be nice to hear on fallout

unreal shard
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ok yeah you

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you're right bot

vocal shard
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guys im shaking

tawny ore
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put the heater on

inner cape
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what are you, hackspanner

tawny ore
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Anyone know any really creative worlds to explore?

hollow breach
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Ye

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The Box

inner cape
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I knew someone is gonna say it

buoyant grove
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hello

tawny ore
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@hollow breach If you find The Box to be creative; I am sorry.

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^ not being serious either

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Hello Mr.NoBody

ruby burrow
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Ever been to the "Surreal Hazard" world? It's an old one, but still quite unique.

tawny ore
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Oooh I might look into that

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I went to underground city; that was really cool

ruby burrow
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Was created using Tilt Brush. Is huge, surprisingly optimised for what it is, and can be explored via jetpack.

tawny ore
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The elevator took way too long though

vestal pier
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What do you mean by creative?

hollow breach
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opportunity for blue to plug in his worlds :3

vestal pier
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thats why im asking

tawny ore
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Something that's not mimicking the real world.

faint skiff
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How would you create a world in Tilt Brush, unless it's just a load of swirling colours?

tawny ore
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That made me think of something... Imagine creating games using VR... Like - you draw a plank in the 3D space and then stack them up, group them and build stuff

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Sounds mighty inefficient but I'm sure optimisations could be performed

hollow breach
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Sounds like super Mario maker VR

tawny ore
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Nah mario maker doesn't let you create an object from scratch

rough pulsar
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Give Unreal Engine 4's VR edit mode a spin, lets you do some stuff in VR.

faint skiff
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I'm actually finding zero similarities between that and Mario Maker VR, lol

languid beacon
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Maybe Mario paint VR

hollow breach
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I will paint the castle

vestal sleet
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I think tiltbrush just output 3d model

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And u can 3d print it and stuff

faint skiff
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Hmm, time to overclock this 2080 Ti, see if I can squeeze a few more frames out of the Pug...

covert blade
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My 1080 isn't even maxed out in VRC while my CPU is lol

faint skiff
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I'll have to double check. I know my CPU wasn't maxed out with my 980 Ti before but I've not checked since upgrading.

umbral reef
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Big odds your CPU gets bottlenecked or the whole bandwith cant handle it

faint skiff
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Everything looks better in VR now though, I assume as Steam has ramped up the supersampling. Which is nice.

covert blade
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I mean for me, the CPU is really the bottleneck so I'm surprised that your 2080 Ti needs overclocking

faint skiff
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CPU is an i7-8700 which is already on the higher end of things.

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I may not need overclocking but as Nvidia has an "auto-overclocker" now I may as well make use of it.

covert blade
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i5-4670k

faint skiff
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I went from an i5-3570K to this 8700 and it was a night and day difference in VR.

covert blade
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I'm taking the low frames surprisingly well, for as long as there's no hiccup with tracking

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I would love to upgrade my CPU but I can't be bothered to switch out my entire mainboard with a different one that supports the socket

frosty veldt
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Why upgrade your PC when you can buy FBT

covert blade
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Because I like my current avatar and I'm also too lazy to deal with OpenVR

frosty veldt
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You don't need OpenVR and what kind of avatar are you using that wouldn't work in FBT?

covert blade
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One where my play area is above the actual ground ingame

frosty veldt
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When your legs are too long the trackers end up being shin trackers instead of foot trackers so it still works just not 100%

faint skiff
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Sounds like Mason is one of them dirty bed-players.

covert blade
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But yeah anyways, upgrading my CPU would be an overall benefit for all games, FBT would work for exactly.... one game at the moment

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"bed players" did ya just make that up?

frosty veldt
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Vrchats like the only VR game I play anymore tbh

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Nah I'm a fucking bed player smh

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Lay in bed in FBT for that weird flex

covert blade
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Same. 95% VRC, rest is H3VR, Job Sim and FNAF VR

faint skiff
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You know what I mean, lol. People with FBT who just float around on their side in mid air because they're lay in bed.

covert blade
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But I'm not laying in bed tho

frosty veldt
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Gotta show my FBT and 10k collision checks

faint skiff
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Why is your playspace above the ground then?

frosty veldt
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Is legs are toothpicks

opaque hawk
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I’m surprised I do as well as I do on my bellow min spec pc in fbt pc. Then I remember I block so much stuff

frosty veldt
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Like most anime characters

covert blade
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Because of long legs? I dunno, there's also avatars where the play area is below the ground and I can grab below the ground with my hand

south garden
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Can anyone gift me human fall flat on steam? If so dm me plz.VRC_Stoic

vestal sleet
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.

rigid crescent
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ew beggers

hollow breach
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I have i5-4440

covert blade
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@south garden Request denied.

south garden
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Pkz

vestal sleet
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Ew begger

frosty veldt
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Not even a VR game smh

rigid crescent
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how am i gonna ride on my friend's shoulders if im not a FBT master race

hollow breach
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Chairs

faint skiff
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Oh, well yeah. I've always assumed that's just VRC being crap, it's literally never been correct on any avatar I've ever tried.

rigid crescent
umbral reef
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Just sell them robot feet photos mic and you can get fbt

rigid crescent
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i have fbt lol

umbral reef
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A second fbt set then

hollow breach
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Disgusting

covert blade
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I was just told by someone that it would look bad and it would result in me floating above the ground unless I fix it with a playspace mover or something

frosty veldt
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It takes a lot of proportional fixing for your body specifically to get it perfect enverex

rigid crescent
vocal shard
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Very quirky

faint skiff
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@frosty veldt Yeah, I've been working on fixing my avatars, but I'm not sure how much of it is really the avatar and how much is the game. Why doesn't the game calibrate to your height?

frosty veldt
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It's shit?

vestal sleet
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Once u have FBT u don't wanna play anything else

hollow breach
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^

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Incorrect

faint skiff
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FBT = Full Body Thotting

covert blade
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I can imagine that but I'm not quiet convinced yet

hollow breach
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I have full body, rarely use it

rigid crescent
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i didnt want to play anything else (in vr) before I had FBT lol

vestal sleet
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U r lazy

hollow breach
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Tru

vestal sleet
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U should get out of ur chair and start dancing

hollow breach
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Lmao never

faint skiff
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I couldn't play VRC sat down, I have to stand up

hollow breach
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Hate dancing

frosty veldt
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The best thing to do is scale your legs and test until the foot balls are in the right spot and then use that avatar as a scaling tool for you other avatars

vocal shard
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After a while fbt becomes a pain after you’ve been dancing with it for a couple hours

rigid crescent
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I dance around at Silent Club, or when I'm drunk lol

frosty veldt
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Actualy measuring and using those ratios never worked for me

umbral reef
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Also, is it just me or does having a 1a2 day bear feel hella annoying while in VR?

faint skiff
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I just shrunk the legs by like 20% in the last avatar, but I magically fucked up everything else on it so I had to start again anyway.

frosty veldt
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You can disable "inherit scale" for bones in blender which allows you to shrink say the thigh by 10-20% without effecting the shin or foot and then apply pose with CATs.

faint skiff
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But rather than using a new avatar, I've ended up updating all the old ones too, so now rather than a replacement avatar, it's become a "dress an Enverex" playset.

rigid crescent
frosty veldt
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Once I got FBT it's just been me updating my avatars for the past couple months instead of making new ones

rigid crescent
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all my avatars follow the same general premise, so everyone always knows its me regardless of nametags or if we're even friends

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Dark skin and colorful hair. Recognized every time

faint skiff
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I've not seen anyone that looks even remotely like me in-game so I guess people should be able to tell who I am without the plate too.

frosty veldt
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Dark skin is really rare which helps with that as well

neon flume
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Your avatars are really cute Mic

rigid crescent
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😤 i know i know

umbral reef
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Mic, please make it so your hair can go full RGB
Like, glow and all

rigid crescent
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it actually does

vocal shard
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Corsair keyboard hair

umbral reef
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That gives you like a full -5 IQ points :poggers:

rigid crescent
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My first "custom avatar" started my rainbow hair trend, and it even had nailsand eyes that change color based on my gesture even a closed eye one

umbral reef
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Thats dope

faint skiff
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@frosty veldt If I split off the legs, scale them down and reattach them, should that work, or will that break something? (without touching the bones at all, except maybe repositioning them slightly)

rigid crescent
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you'll be proportioned weirdly assuming youre an anime or anything remotely stylized

frosty veldt
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I would refrain from cutting them off and scaling them, it's better to just scale the bones in pose mode and apply as rest pose using cats

faint skiff
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In Unity?

frosty veldt
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My anime characters are stubby and that's how I like it

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No, in blender

faint skiff
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@rigid crescent Do you mean it'll have the after effect of looking weird, or are you assuming it's rescaling it enough for it to just look weird?

frosty veldt
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Rescaling is enough to make it look off sometimes

rigid crescent
faint skiff
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It looked fine when I put it back together visually, I wasn't knocking that much off. It still looked human and didn't look out of proportion. Actually it looked more normal now as the model wasn't 70% leg

rigid crescent
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rescaling usually makes your proportions off since the model is typically designed that way for a reason

frosty veldt
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Well technically it makes the proportions correct as they were off before

faint skiff
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Exactly

frosty veldt
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Daddy long legs looking anime characters

faint skiff
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Circus stilt-wearing looking motherfucker

rigid crescent
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except theyre stylized that way for a reason to "match" the rest of the model

faint skiff
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As Mr L Jackson would say

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@rigid crescent It doesn't really match anything though, it just looks weird when you notice how far up the legs go.

rigid crescent
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it matches the style of the character, seeing anime stuff with the legs chopped when you know the rest of the body doesn't match is super obvious

faint skiff
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It looked fine to me

frosty veldt
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I think it depends on the model as well, shortened the legs on one short one by about .2 meters and now comparing it the old one made both versions look wrong

faint skiff
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I think you just have a preference for daddy lankylegs

frosty veldt
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Even if it looks a little off in the tpose it's harder to notice when sitting down or moving

rigid crescent
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I mean it's not a preference, i can just tell when the proportions of the style are off lol

faint skiff
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It looked fine in the T-Pose so if it looks fine there, it's going to look fine the rest of the time

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I'm going to make a model with 3cm legs just for when I meet Mic

tawny ore
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xD

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That would look goofy as hell

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And give it stilts; so you're normal height

faint skiff
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Just a bunch of Ugandan knuckles glued together

rigid crescent
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i dont meet anyone from this discord, its like meeting randos from highschool at the grocery store tanabae

hollow breach
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@rigid crescent meet me in vrc pussy

rigid crescent
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So far it's still just Jamie that I've added and met, only they're special enough šŸ‘Œ

faint skiff
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Well it's not that I intended to or wanted to. It was more that if the inevitability ever came about.

frosty veldt
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I've seen mic so that means I'm friends with his friends friends, thanks friends+

rigid crescent
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ah shit what

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time to wipe my list

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Other than that, from this discord, I've been in the same room with some of the purples and yellows, Eevee, scruffy I think, some other people i forgot

hollow breach
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Meet me in vrc pussy

rigid crescent
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Jamie's christmas present was seeing me ingame because that was the last time i saw him i think

hollow breach
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I swear I won’t crash u

rigid crescent
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never

hollow breach
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Never?

rigid crescent
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never

hollow breach
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U said ur friends with Jamie right?

rigid crescent
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i am but we're never in the same room tanabae

hollow breach
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Don’t worry, I’ll make it happen ; )

rigid crescent
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unfriended jamie, bam

faint skiff
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I'm sure there are gaping holes in the API you can use to track Mic if you wanted to

hollow breach
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@vocal shard sorry ; (

rigid crescent
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šŸ¤” did i actually do it

hollow breach
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@faint skiff oh I have a friend who can do that for me

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I forgot about that

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Hehehehehhe

rigid crescent
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tanabae untouchable

faint skiff
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Example... lets put my coding hat on. The API lists who is and isn't blocked. Run checks against Mic to see who's muting/hiding them, send join requests to all the people who are apparently interacting with him which in turn will put you in the same lobby as him. Boom, 3 points of separation.

rigid crescent
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except if im in a friends+They have to be friends with someone there to get in

faint skiff
#

You spend all your time in Friends+? That sounds... weird.

frosty veldt
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Just be those guys who throw friend requests at everyone the streamer can see

rigid crescent
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so that only works if im in a public and blocking someone in public

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šŸ¤” spending lots of times with friends is weird? hm

frosty veldt
#

I think I spend 90% of my time in friends+

faint skiff
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Spending time exclusively with friends and exclusively in friends+ instances.

rigid crescent
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"Spending time exclusively with friends and their friends sounds weird" Say it out loud lol

faint skiff
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But I guess that's what everyone on the subreddit is complaining about these days, so I guess that's expected.

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exclusively

frosty veldt
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Don't wanna meet randos I want to talk to my friends

indigo fern
rigid crescent
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"Spending all your time with your friends sounds weird." šŸ¤”

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that's literally what people do IRL...

faint skiff
#

Missing half the words out of a sentence you're quoting just makes you an asshole.

indigo fern
#

Yea I was going to mention IRL lul

frosty veldt
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And in friends+ you meet new people all the time

faint skiff
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And IRL people spend times in bars and such. Those aren't "friends+" bars.

rigid crescent
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Alone?

indigo fern
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Yea, but in IRL you don't talk to complete randos

rigid crescent
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the weird ones are the ones going to bars alone to talk to complete strangers lol

frosty veldt
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Go to a bar IRL and get crashed smh

faint skiff
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VRC doesn't exactly follow standard "human interaction" etiquette.

indigo fern
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That's why friends + exist

rigid crescent
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Because when I went to bars, restaurants, movies, parties, etc I went with friends

faint skiff
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Wait, so just thinking back on earlier conversations. Are the people that are telling me that crashers and shader abuse aren't frequent, also the same people that are telling me now that they only spend time in Friends+ instances? Do you see the issue there?

hollow breach
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No

rigid crescent
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I never said I did it, I'm just pointing out it really isn't that weird or bad like the people on twitter and the subreddit whine

faint skiff
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But it is, and you're in NO position to say otherwise given what you've just claimed you do

rigid crescent
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I also, unlike you, presented proof in the form of screenshots and I'd be glad to add video as well

indigo fern
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I'm in publics most of the time with 0 safety settings, you just have to go to the right worlds

frosty veldt
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Isn't it more that crashers and shader abuse is bad enough that they spend time in friends+ to avoid them?

hollow breach
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Mic suxs big balls

faint skiff
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"I don't encounter people that I literally couldn't encounter due to my location preferences"

rigid crescent
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I claimed I did it?

indigo fern
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Obviously crashers love the box and presentation room, you're always gonna see some there

rigid crescent
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I'm re-checking my posts, not seeing where I say that but i've been up for a while

faint skiff
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@frosty veldt That's fine, but if you're going to do that, don't claim the people you're hiding from don't exist..

hollow breach
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Just don’t piss off the crashers

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Ez

rigid crescent
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"hiding from" ok but see, where did I say I do that?....

hollow breach
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Mic is a pussy confirmed

rigid crescent
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I mean, I'm just asking for clarity sake. I just argued against your terrible point.

faint skiff
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You said you spend all your time in Friends+ to "avoid randos"

inner cape
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šŸæ matsix

rigid crescent
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When did I say that? Can you find the post?

hollow breach
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Avoid randos?!?! Lmao

rigid crescent
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I didn't delete a single thing before you ask

hollow breach
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Mic doesn’t like going outside his bubble

frosty veldt
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Pretty sure I said the randos bit

rigid crescent
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lol even if I only spent time in friends and friends+, that's a pretty massive bubble

faint skiff
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Possibly, that's the issue with having a conversation, 1 to 5 at once

hollow breach
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Not really

rigid crescent
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I'll take the apology, but I'll also accept a "my bad"

faint skiff
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I mean you're welcome to go fuck yourself.

hollow breach
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Don’t apologize!

rigid crescent
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or an "o shit whoops"

hollow breach
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Omg I love you @faint skiff

rigid crescent
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No one can ever admit they made a mistake, I even triple checked my messages to make sure I wasn't wrong and this is the thanks i get

hollow breach
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friended

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@rigid crescent u sounded like a dick though

thorny lark
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i dont remember the last time i was crashed

rigid crescent
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It doesn't make anything I said less correct or anything he said less wrong šŸ¤”

indigo fern
#

Pinging someone literally right there is more of a dick move lmao

hollow breach
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ā€œI’ll take an apology, or even a my badā€

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Like who tf says that

faint skiff
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@rigid crescent My point is, if you don't spend time in public lobbies (which you said yourself that you spend your time in Friends/Friends+) then why would you expect to see the same people I'm seeing in public lobbies like the Pug?

hollow breach
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ā€œOr a oh shit whoopsā€

rigid crescent
#

I was memeing, I don't actually expect an apology lol

hollow breach
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Like fuck off lmao

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U don’t know memes then

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That ain’t a meme

rigid crescent
#

where did I say that? I've scrolled up and screenshot all those posts I made and nowhere did I say that...

hollow breach
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Talking to me or enverex?

rigid crescent
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Enverex, I don't even know what you're doing lol

hollow breach
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Typing

faint skiff
#

Ok, so I said about tracking you via who you block and you replied "except if im in a friends+They have to be friends with someone there to get in" which given the context of the conversation implies that you spend most or all of your time in friends+, otherwise your own point would have been moot.

rigid crescent
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LOL

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what a leap

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THe context of the conversation was them joining on me by finding out where I am through the API

faint skiff
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How is it a leap? If that's not what you meant then it wouldn't have invalidated my previous point about tracking you via blocks, no?

hollow breach
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Eh, I’m not liking this convo, even though I love Enverex

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plz accept my friend request btw

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But I gotta do it

rigid crescent
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"It would work unless I'm in a friends+"

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that's all I said

hollow breach
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<@&397642795457970181> drama is happening, plz make them stop ; (

faint skiff
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Right, but why would you say that unless it's true most or all of the time?

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Otherwise it's not a good counterpoint.

rigid crescent
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....what?

indigo fern
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This is just a convo bruh? Where's the drama lmao

rigid crescent
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Look, you can just admit you made a mistake man, why is it so hard.

hollow breach
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They are fighting, and I don’t like it

rigid crescent
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I said it because it's a fact. A truth. A thing that is true.

hollow breach
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I’m scared

umbral reef
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Drama is happening
One of the main reasons this drama happened
I love this chat man

rigid crescent
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"He will be able to do the thing you said unless I am in a friends+" that could mean I spend 30 seconds a day in a friends+. There's zero timeframe mentioned or implied in that

faint skiff
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Right, but if it's true only a small amount of the time, why say it as if it negates my earlier method of finding someone?

hollow breach
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I’m not though?

indigo fern
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You are lmao, you're just poking at mic

idle elm
#

Guys, lets calm down

rigid crescent
#

Come on man, do you really need to stretch that much to avoid admitting you made a mistake?...

hollow breach
#

Owl to the rescue!

rigid crescent
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the cops šŸ‘€

hollow breach
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@indigo fern I’m that parent in the audience screaming at the kids

frosty veldt
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Hypeman

hollow breach
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I’m not part of it

umbral reef
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@hollow breach What adds fuel to the fire as we all know. šŸ’¤

steep turret
#

šŸ‘€

hollow breach
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Shhhhhhhh

rigid crescent
#

i havent really taken in a word they said besides "me or enverex" lol

faint skiff
#

No, I need you to clarify. Either my method of finding you earlier would work fine (because you're in public most of the time) or it wouldn't work, because you're in Friends(+) most the time. That's my sticking point.

hollow breach
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But I’m not A main part

steep turret
#

we getting spicy in here?

indigo fern
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No you are taco boi šŸ˜‰
You're always spicy

steep turret
#

ayyyyy

inner cape
#

what a happy ending

rigid crescent
#

basically

indigo fern
#

Dirk saved us all

hollow breach
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So basically, I’m monkey

tawny ore
#

I found this map with a train moving towards mt. Fuji

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It's good, you should look at it

faint skiff
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What even was the discussion? The last thing I remember is legs...

frosty veldt
#

All this started because I wanted to flex FBT

languid beacon
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I have safety disabled and I never get crashed. It’s easy. Just don’t go to the box or presentation room. No more crashes

indigo fern
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Yea, some people don't realize there are common spots crashers like to go I guess

umbral reef
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Crashing? Whats that?

faint skiff
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I spend ~90% of my time in the Pug. As I said the other day, I had to report and block, I think it was 8 people in less than half an hour the other day, before then getting crashed out by a portal that flew towards me. That was a rough evening.

indigo fern
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Pug isn't too great either lmao

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I stopped going there months ago

cold talon
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wait people can crash other users ?

umbral reef
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Ow yea people, but what type of people lmao

indigo fern
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^

umbral reef
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Same like you dont go the presentation room

languid beacon
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The crash crowd does not really explore very much. Once you move on from the most common worlds you get actual personalities

umbral reef
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Legit any other map gets you high odds of dope people as non normies go there but power users

indigo fern
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Worlds with like, 2 full instances are pretty chill

faint skiff
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I've tried exploring other places, but people outside of the hotspots like the Pug and the Cat just seem to be there because they're with other people, already doing stuff.

languid beacon
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Pug can get crazy but I usually have safety on for that world only

faint skiff
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Yeah. "Per location safety settings" would actually be quite handy.

umbral reef
#

Enverex
Let me tell you a secret.
There is almost no one within this game that is without a group and if they are without one, they join one in the public worlds

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Its also almost like those groups form naturally from lose stray people or smaller groups

rigid crescent
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I typically have everything but animations on and im fine most of the time in publics. the last time i was logged or crashed was probably 4 months or so ago

indigo fern
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I leave everything on until something happens

umbral reef
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Disable nothing and the worse thing il have to do is jump to a worse safety setting because a desktop user doesnt understand how shits annoying animations can be

rigid crescent
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It's not like exclusively "outcasts" go to publics anyway, I actually see a decent amount of "friends of friends" in them during certain hours

vestal sleet
#

I don't like disabling animation cuz then it disable props

umbral reef
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And then il just jump from none to costum that blocks shaders and animations 🤷

indigo fern
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Plus, you can just walk up to people and join convo, half the time they don't mind if already in a public

umbral reef
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@indigo fern Naahhh thats illegal man
We are not allowed to be that socially capable

indigo fern
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Lmao, literally just talk 2head

umbral reef
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Funny enough, throwing up an animation fixes that for me.
So being a higher ranked made that way easier lmao

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Else it just takes more time but still is doable

rigid crescent
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I just, to this day, don't see what's so difficult about making new friends, whether its in a friends+ or a public. I literally corrected a dude on something in a pug a week or two ago and him and his friend talked with me an hour or so about stuff because his buddy was new and he was somewhat new

faint skiff
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I'm with Fez, I think im my 100+ hours so far, walking up to a group and carefully trying to take part has worked... twice?

vestal pier
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just be funny guys its easy

indigo fern
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šŸ˜” feels bad

rigid crescent
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obviously friends+ is a bit easier to make new friends in, but people still manage it in publics

frosty veldt
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I usually easedrop until someone brings up something I can relate to and jump in then

umbral reef
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Ow shit, i legit made all my ingame friends that way. But im sure im wrong

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Scionzenos gets the idea

faint skiff
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@rigid crescent That's a chicken and egg situation. No friends+ with no friends...

languid beacon
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I just walk up to people and talk. I don’t know why you guys are having issues making friends

umbral reef
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Like, you guys push your butts into the convo's here so you can do it ingame also lmao

vestal sleet
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Ya I don't find it hard to just drop into a group at all.

faint skiff
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@frosty veldt That's what I meant by carefully join in

indigo fern
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See, adeon understands, just do it

rigid crescent
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i mean even without the friends+, I've had good conversations and been friendly with people in publics. i mainly stick to pugs but still

languid beacon
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Ask questions

inner cape
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just talk 5Head

rigid crescent
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Yeah, that's literally what I do. I just throw myself in

vestal sleet
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All my friend r PST so I always end up in public world until like late night weekend anyways

faint skiff
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@languid beacon Because I have the social aptitude of a bag of old potatoes...

indigo fern
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Literally, just talk 4heatsink

vestal pier
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well, dont do that, we know what happened last time someone "just talked"

frosty veldt
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A lot of the time I just feel like I join convos by complimenting an avatar or pointing out an issue and helping them fix it

umbral reef
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@faint skiff So how is that the systems fault that your not social and cant make friends?
Even in friends+ worlds you have to be able to get into the convo.

tawny ore
#

4gasgeneratoroxidizervalve

vestal pier
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Disagree

vestal sleet
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I mean people have 2000-3000 hours as desktops user

faint skiff
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@umbral reef Erm, guess it's not. Thanks.

desert stratus
#

joining a convo is just kind of easy. shit dude, i usually have a fair amount of anxiety of hopping into one beforehand and i still try anyway and it works out fine 8 times out of 10.

vestal sleet
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At the end of the day the this is a social game and it is what u make it out to be

inner cape
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@tawny ore as you can see, this chat is engulfed in blazing debates, I love it

languid beacon
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I am a ridiculously introverted. If I can do it anyone can. Might be uncomfortable the first three or so times but you have to get your brain off the idea that it’s scary and then it’s just like nothing

tawny ore
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But @inner cape You're meant to take sides and debaterate away

umbral reef
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Like its a shitty thing to say what i said. But if you cant talk to people im not sure how the game is to blame for this. I have had just as much problems getting to talk with super friendly people in friends+ as in public worlds right now...

desert stratus
#

exactly! no fear.

umbral reef
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It takes effort to make friends 🤷
Thats how it has always been

inner cape
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@tawny ore I'm enjoying the view so far, no need

vestal sleet
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Like what

indigo fern
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You had to grind for this view

umbral reef
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So a community thats focused on something?

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Gee, almost like discord is a good way to find those people šŸ‘€

vestal pier
#

ive had conversations that range from cartoons to life, i think you can always find shit to talk about regardless of the platform

vestal sleet
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That does exist it is called discord

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I mean if you don't find the game fun just don't play it lmao wtf

vestal pier
#

every community Fez?

umbral reef
#

So you want people that want the same thing, be friends and chat with eachother without being a community?
Can we call it like a social group then instead of a community? A good old name change without anything else might fit.

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And how would people join?

vestal pier
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invite links, you can generate through the community hub VRC_Thinking

umbral reef
#

And how will you get the people that want to chat to join you then?

vestal pier
#

advertise on other social platforms that offer the same features just more developed and better in every way, like discord

umbral reef
#

So you want to advertise for a community? Pretty sure people love adds but i might be wrong.
Also almost like creating a normal community is easier then so you wont have to redo it each day then.

vestal pier
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I was being entirely facetious if it wasnt obvious.

inner cape
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I disagree

umbral reef
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WoW group finder was for a different goal.
Also, we kinda have that already within VRchat with worlds. Specific worlds aim for specific groups.
Maps mainly with Japanese people, russians, gun fanatics, dancing, chilling, avatars.

indigo fern
#

Wait, so you want something like Omegle where you can pick a topic first then just join those similar topic people or something?

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But in vrc of course

inner cape
#

seeing how vrc is, better of making something like tinder instead

indigo fern
#

You mean grindr lmao

inner cape
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as if it doesn't already

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atleast in the inside

umbral reef
#

Also, what gives you the idea that people will actually care to use this system the right way and not just go for the 'yolo' option (current worlds)

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People already use communities for this.
If i want people with X intrest id join a discord within VR for it or a larger discord and search for a subgroup within there.

faint skiff
#

I'm wondering. Lots of the people saying it's easy to find people. Is that based on your experience in public worlds now or public worlds when you started, before you had your large friend groups?

vestal pier
#

TTS probably doesnt help the situation

umbral reef
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Before it was leaps easier. But im talking 2 years back.
Before we even had the panic button thats already forgotten.

indigo fern
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I mean, I found a new group of people just recently, pretty neat peeps

umbral reef
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Trust me, most where in public worlds back then. Weeks before knuckles where even a thing.

neon flume
#

I still meet new friends pretty regularly in public worlds, but it feels pretty dependent on timezones. It seems easiest to meet people to chill with during their late nights, wherever their timezone is.

umbral reef
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Btw, who's up for a VRC meetup unity_chan_dab

vestal pier
#

When

vestal sleet
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I mean everyone is telling u that u can do it but if u don't think so then u don't think so
There is no point to continue this

umbral reef
#

Tomorrow?

faint skiff
#

@brisk bone Are you in VR?

rigid crescent
#

Isn't that all the tools would do? Help make "communities" that "follow the same patterns of behavior"?

umbral reef
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Then dont?

indigo fern
rigid crescent
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They'd help you create more communities of likeminded individuals, which is normal for any social gatherings

cold talon
#

remove mirrors

indigo fern
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Remove eyeballs

cold talon
#

bahka for vrc president 2019

inner cape
#

remove kebab

rigid crescent
#

Mirror aren't the problem, private, public, friends+, etc aren't the problem. People are the problem, plain and simple.

faint skiff
#

Also what's with the mirror thing? So many places I go, the ENTIRE place will be empty despite apparently 20 people being there, then I'll find everyone clustered infront of a mirror. It's... eerie.

umbral reef
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@rigid crescent Cant deny it though, public worlds are fairly shit comapred to ages ago lmao

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But the full community mindset on average is worse so

rigid crescent
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Well there's fewer people in them I guess, I've found them a lot more reliable though than before

indigo fern
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Because they like looking at the public model they picked while also looking at everyone else

frosty veldt
#

Why flock to a mirror when you can have the photo camera out 24/7

indigo fern
#

The camera is jank

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Always has been

umbral reef
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Well, gotta say, if we talk about non mainstream maps i can see you being right. But the pug and box for example mic.

rigid crescent
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Oh that's what im talking about

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I just went to a room of rain, one of the most popular/the most popular map right now, and watched someone talk about RP stuff that was actually interesting

faint skiff
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@brisk bone Are you using desktop and TTS?

indigo fern
#

I mean, as long as they actually talk, I don't care where they are

faint skiff
#

Ah

umbral reef
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I mainly find screaming kids in there or people who dont understand what manners are lmao

Jump to another room and normal daily life convo's are going on

rigid crescent
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Yeah that's what I mean, before it was a lot more to sift through compared to now

neon flume
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I do miss when we could browse all the instances of a world. I found it easier to find instances that were about half full. Right now it seems they're either empty, or almost maxed out.

faint skiff
rigid crescent
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i joined my first group when I saw 404 rapping in a public. He promoted his buddy and I added them which they were cool with, followed his stream I never watched, then joined on him one day and just clicked with his friend group. This was march of last year. I've done similar things just this year

proud horizon
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Hello

umbral reef
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@neon flume Speaking hard facts

indigo fern
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My first friends group stopped playing at the camera update because it rekt their performance šŸ˜”

umbral reef
#

I still crave for the day where we had the old world listing

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Its still so god dam retarded.
I dont want 3 one person worlds, one world with 5 people and the same 2 every time with almost maxed our groups

frosty veldt
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I wasn't aware of that change since I only ever join off friends but that does sound horrible

inner cape
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he doesn't know

frosty veldt
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I would always aim for those half full ones

rigid crescent
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i just kinda join the first one and chill for a bit to see whats going on

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also late on it, but ANY system designed to bring people together will result in friending people and building groups and communities

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"We added a Chess tag. Anyone intersted in Chess can join these Chess tagged worlds to play Chess."

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ok now we have an easier way to make groups and bond with people who like chess

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i add these people, we hang out, our groups meld, we make friends of our friends. it's the natural progression of a social structure. you dont need a degree to see that

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or we add eachother and never meet again I guess lol that happens too

indigo fern
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You grow your bubble then take over the game, I see your plan mic

rigid crescent
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:3 my roots reach deep friendo

indigo fern
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😳

rigid crescent
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i can connect anyone on my friends list from the time i started playing to now, even if it's people i just met a week ago

cold talon
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inb4 mic uses hacks to force connect to anyone he wants, even in privates, even offline

rigid crescent
#

I just met someone who does RP stuff with another said friend from last year, groups of friends are bound to be connected somewhere

vestal sleet
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Oh I just had a friend who joined on me yesterday although I didn't remember when and where and what we did

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Still worked out matsix

rigid crescent
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It'll happen with anything. Have a sports map? OK, people who like a sport will go to it. They'll meet, probably get along because of clear shared interest, add one another, and possibly do the same thing people do now. If anything, a system to help likeminded strangers meet will accelerate the growth of communities and friend groups

indigo fern
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I mean, you added them for a reason I guess

rigid crescent
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Friend made a movie map. While it was exclusive, people would use a link to reach it and join on one another to watch movies. That's how I made or bonded with a majority of my newer friends this year. A simple map designed to help people get together to watch movies.

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That's just how people work. It's how society works. You have your chess club, your videogame club ,your math club, your debate club, your computer science club, your whatever. I couldn't tell you if it's learned or just how people work, but it's been a thing since forever as far as I know

indigo fern
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you got your hunters, you got your gatherers

rigid crescent
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I almost quoted fight club to be funny but i forgot how edgy fans of that movie are lol

radiant gorge
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people feel comfortable around others who are like them. if you share the same culture, opinions, etc you get along naturally.

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so sharing the same interests will lead people together

rigid crescent
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Well put it this way. Player 1 through 10 all like something obscure, because anime is too broad. Comic books, like actually reading comic books and not looking at the wiki page every time a new movie is announced

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Why wouldn't we add one another and hang out and form a group after the first or second meet?

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What reason is there not to attempt to form a friendship with these people who all share this hobby and i presumably get along with

radiant gorge
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maybe personal reasons. but that's an internal problem

rigid crescent
#

and why shouldn't I join them once in a while, talk to their friends who will hopefully welcome me into their fold and vice versa?

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Yeah, personal ones are always a thing. I usually don't just add people unless I really feel like we hit it off or have the potential to

umbral reef
#

Leigt my friend group has one thing in common and that is that we are all humans lmao

radiant gorge
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I'm still new to this so honestly I've just been adding anyone who seems nice and is willing to spend time with me lol

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I was mute for my first 2 hours of VRchat and somehow still managed to make friends

umbral reef
#

We went to the same school, not even the same class.
Being social isnt all about liking the same things, plenty can differ. Same that one thing in common does not mean someone might enjoy you.

desert stratus
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welcome to the game ^ ^ and speaking of which, i just lost the game

umbral reef
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Thats pretty much it silky
You might join those poeple later when they are online again, get to know them, become proper friends, meet there friends, get to know more friends thanks to those guys and so on

rigid crescent
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i mean you're right, it is easy for me to add someone and never meet them again and eventually purge them, but what's more likely;

Me not adding someone and forming a group with another person in a situation where we're already brought together for our mutual love for something?

Or the exact opposite of that

umbral reef
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While we at it, feel free to add me ingame

radiant gorge
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thanks :D it's been really fun so far. still figuring out how I can get a good avatar for myself but other than that it's been a great experience!

inner cape
#

@desert stratus motherfucker

desert stratus
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<3

inner cape
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L

vestal sleet
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Hop avatar world or make one @radiant gorge

rigid crescent
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With things like tags or worlds specifically meant to meet people who like the new smash bros, or devil may cry, or knitting, you're helping form these groups. I'm sure that's not the only solution, but it seems like the easiest one to help people with similar hobbies meet.

radiant gorge
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I've been to a few avatar world. I just can't find exactly what I want

rigid crescent
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I mean searching a tag would probably make that easier too

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That's not true? those are just the ones to make it to the second list, whatever that one is

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I think it's Classics or Community or something

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"Hot" maps are 100% what the community likes

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Pug obviously not included lol

vestal pier
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I mean as someone who has had two maps spotlighted im going to disagree, i made something showed it off at community meetup and got the attention that way, you're implying connections just come from nowhere which isnt true

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making high quality content is what gets your shit on spotlight

rigid crescent
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Zoo šŸ¤”

indigo fern
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the actual spotlight section is just the dev spot

rigid crescent
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I don't know anyone on the Hot list that's a "famous" map creator besides Sombie

indigo fern
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lmao, his recent map got out of labs in like, 4 minutes

rigid crescent
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and it's not like you get "map famous" by making shit maps lol

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and just because a "famous" map maker makes a map doesn't mean everything they do will skyrocket

vestal pier
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Zoo is an art piece, entirely subjective

rigid crescent
#

Understandable

desert stratus
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wait, zoo as in "Z00?"

#

that was you?

vestal pier
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In what regard to you disagree

rigid crescent
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Can you provide any evidence? You're allowed to disagree without it, but have you actually looked through the names of people on the Hot list?

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How many do you recognize besides Gunter and Owlboy?

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How many of Spanish Hub or ImLExz maps have been a massive hit the way the current ones are?

indigo fern
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yea i was gonna say, lex's map got popular, even if its mostly friends+ or private

rigid crescent
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this russian person has two maps ive never heard of, and then Rest and Sleep

indigo fern
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proud of him ;-;

vestal pier
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What's wrong with curation

ashen harbor
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uhm

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for some reason I can't favorite worlds...

rigid crescent
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favorits have been wonky since november

indigo fern
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since they came out basically

vestal pier
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They take awhile to go into the list @ashen harbor

ashen harbor
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hmm alright usually it doesn't take too long so I'll just give it some time then

vestal pier
#

What exactly is wrong with the duration currently then?

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Curation*

rigid crescent
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So should things be curated or not, because all those problems are solved with curation...

indigo fern
#

the old world reviewers were pretty bad too

rigid crescent
#

Whether we're doing the curating or staff is doing it, someone is curating it.

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except high quality maps, that's not anyone's fault really. They're harder and take longer to make, so fewer people are making them, so obviously they're not super comon

vestal pier
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There are resources to get your map seen by people

plush cove
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hai

indigo fern
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right before community labs tho was funny
worlds were getting rejected for and had some good comments

vestal pier
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They did

indigo fern
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"wasnt really lag free, it costed"

rigid crescent
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My fav is Tupper's on the Gachi one "Sorry aniki"

indigo fern
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omg yes, do you have a screen of that one?

rigid crescent
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probably somewhere deep in my sharex folder

vestal pier
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Steam key

plush cove
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and i got ignored

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yay

vestal pier
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@plush cove we were in the middle of a discussion

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What's up?

plush cove
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oh sorry i wasnt following

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lemme read

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talking about maps

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yes?

inner cape
#

aniki pepeHands

rigid crescent
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OK, so what's the solution? šŸ¤”

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Besides communities made by players based around knitting, because that's what you're trying to avoid.

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Because that's honestly the easiest one.

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An ingame tag? So tag my current instance with Knitting, Art, Comics, etc?

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or something else

vestal pier
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I think its important because you said The only maps that make it up the ladder are maps created by famous map creators with support from staff. which is wholly untrue and unfair, why should peoples success be attributed to their familiarity to staff

rigid crescent
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While I don't think their complete success is attributed to that, it definitely helps to get your map skipped up on the list back when they were doing manual map acceptances

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Yeah, but that would make communities and groups form faster, then you're back at square one except 2 steps back from that

vestal pier
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Like you said, its speaking of the past, how about now?

plush cove
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the fact that the maps are only popular if they are supported is sad

vestal pier
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What?

rigid crescent
#

while there's no concrete way for me to prove it since they (not to sound like a conspiracy theorist) removed the paper trail, why would they stop?

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"It happened before when there was proof why stop when they remove the proof?" I guess?

vestal pier
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I know for a fact that many many people who make good maps and get them into spotlight/hot etc have little to no affiliation to staff, myself included

rigid crescent
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now that's something that needs proof

umbral reef
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Pretty sure lex's map isnt supported by staff before it got popular

rigid crescent
#

now that's something that needs proof also

indigo fern
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yea, all lex does is lay around

rigid crescent
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Yeah I have no clue who that person is lol

vestal pier
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Same with Spanish Hubs Room of the Rain

umbral reef
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At best lex is known because of the people they know. And cant really say those relations would be instantly positive

rigid crescent
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Yeah I met spanish hub in room of rain and he actually spoke spanish, wow

vestal pier
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Hes a lovely guy

indigo fern
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it would be a ripoff if he didnt

rigid crescent
#

Hangout maps like that are a combination of luck and promotion

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as far as being a hit

vestal pier
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With him it was entirely luck

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Its a room from one of his larger maps that he didnt expect anyone to even play.

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What is?

rigid crescent
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It was the same with that Oknuj map. he changed his name, but t hat was originally just a private map him and his friends hung out on. i missed the giant tazor/oknuj statue when the world released

neon flume
#

That world used to have a bunch of cute avis too

rigid crescent
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So....networking? lol

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While it's partially networking, it's not all just that. Sometimes it just 'clicks' because people join and like the world, promotion or otherwise.

vestal pier
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No one implied that it was just suddenly there, ofcourse it was word of mouth etc.

rigid crescent
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Blueasis joins a map. It's a half decent map. His friends join. Oh, it's a friends+? their friends join. some fav the world because they like it, rinse, repeat

vestal pier
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There are resources to network, the community meetup is a fucking fantastic one

rigid crescent
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There's this discord, twitter, other discords

vestal pier
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That resource is INSIDE of vrchat too which is easier

rigid crescent
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I'm pretty sure they'll go to pretty much any map that gets suggested, that's how the few clips of the meetups ive seen have gone at least

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so its a great way to get it seen by people who know about world stuff

vestal pier
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I can explain it briefly, at the start the crowd is asked to step forward if they have something to show, they are added to a list, and everything is shown over a 3 hr span

#

it really is that simple, and its super good fun

rigid crescent
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But it already works very well the way it is. Could it be better? Yes. Does it work fine? Yes.

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I see tons of worlds on Twitter via the #VRChat_world瓹介 hashtag, and others shared by people I follow

vestal pier
#

Twitter is great for vrchat

indigo fern
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the memes are gold

rigid crescent
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While yes, a system within the game would be better, what we currently have in place works very well

vestal pier
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And as for it being mention in game @brisk bone an events board has been brought up several times iirc

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i think its even planned? dont quote me on that

indigo fern
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i think they did say they were trying to improve the UI and UX during the dev stream right?

vestal pier
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It benefits creators though

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which benefit the platform

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the creators ARE the platform

rigid crescent
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https://twitter.com/3Marco_VRChat/status/1153325759026454530 This map is he perfect example of it. This is a JP community member. They have, as far as I know, zero ties to Gormundr who is a fairly well known RP dude, yet he still took his time to take photos of and say some nice words about a world from a total stranger on the other side of the planet.

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also its my homeworld

indigo fern
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aww, theyre cute

rigid crescent
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I've used the tag the same way, though I didn't say near as much. I probably will start doing that more though since I like taking cute pictures in worlds.

indigo fern
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do it

vestal pier
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Without creators there wouldnt be a normal userbase...

indigo fern
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i mean, there are plenty of creators who just make without being popular

rigid crescent
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We'd all be greybois sitting in blank rooms

vestal pier
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Chicken vs the egg.

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But the reason the normal users stick around is because of the creators, so they are the platform

rigid crescent
#

You want creators to be recognized, but not too recognized?

vestal pier
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Content maker.

rigid crescent
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People who make the avatars that attract users, people who make the worlds who attract users, people who make the things people enjoy

vestal pier
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someone who makes something that can be consumed in any way.

indigo fern
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people who upload things publicly?

vestal pier
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Even privately, that can still attract.

rigid crescent
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Whether it's the climbing worlds, a chill world, a prettyboy fox avatar, or a spartan avatar. If people are enjoying it, they're enjoying it

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I fucking died when I saw one person in my model who was a stranger, my world isn't even public i just have a few cloneable ones and it somehow reached them.

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That kind of thing

indigo fern
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bro, i saw someone using one of mine too and i have no worlds VRC_Laughing

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was epic

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especially since it was a nikei dressed as a larens model

rigid crescent
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oh shit i saw that last night

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but regardless creators are what bring people and keep people

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sorry, the majority of people

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They bring people in, people stay for the people but what even gets them to touch the game is what people have made

vestal pier
#

Semantics

rigid crescent
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They bring in everyone.

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I mean who do you think brings in good people? The other good people? šŸ¤”

vestal pier
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I was brought to vrchat by a creator, now im a creator also.

rigid crescent
#

I mean it's veered off, but regardless of who comes in or how they interact, they're almost always brought in by creators

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and communities are always going to form

#

those are just two undeniable facts

vestal pier
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I would ammend that by saying its creators who KEEP people in, friends are usually what brings people in the first place

rigid crescent
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I dunno about that, I'd say friends are what keep people in

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I don't think I'd just wander around forever watching particle parties and climbing virtual walls without people to do it with

vestal pier
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Hm, yeah nevermind

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You are complaining about the lack of resources to empower creators i think?

rigid crescent
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Empower them like how? We can already choose what maps go live, what maps become popular, etc

vestal pier
#

The meetup is arguably the most powerful resource, imo. and thats entirely in game, if you know what time it starts and what day it is youll never have to use another platform to get to it.

faint skiff
#

What is "the meetup"?

vestal pier
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The community meetup

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Its an event where creators show off the maps they are working on

rigid crescent
#

While the complaint is relevant, we have the tools to do that outside the game, and they work just fine. Ingame would be better obviously, but you act as if there's nothing

desert stratus
#

a good event ubu.

vestal pier
#

Its a fantastic event

desert stratus
#

it's rlly fucking cool except for when i desync every 10 min </3

rigid crescent
#

they look neat

vestal pier
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Lmao yeah tru

desert stratus
#

that's just because my PC is bad and oculus + steamvr dont like playing nice

vestal pier
#

its like 40+ people sometimes in a room

rigid crescent
#

there was one i saw in a clip where some people were tilted and some werent? any chance you know what that was?

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there was tilted landscape so im guessing some people synced weird

vestal pier
#

i think during the climbing one we had 60 or so

rigid crescent
#

oh god

desert stratus
#

i wasnt there for the climbing one cuz i knew i basically would be playing the game at seconds-per-frame instead of frames-per-second

vestal pier
#

That + the inherent lag you get from climbing being a hacky workaround was not great

rigid crescent
#

most people did it just fine though?

vestal pier
#

You have to remember that creators are also just users, and we had to figure it out too...

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Im not a smart man, i figured it out.

rigid crescent
#

I mean, if the "everyone is in private/friends+ worlds, no one is in publics" thing is true, doesn't that mean almost everyone has succeeded with just the tools we have

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most of the time when i check, something liek 1/5th or 2/5ths of the online players are in publics, minus the US sleepytime hours that kinda throw it off

faint skiff
#

It's like the virtual version of being picked last for teams in PE

rigid crescent
#

so that other chunk of users seems to have succeeded with only the tools we have

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All it takes is one friend to get into that friends+. That's it. A single one.

#

No, it means they haven't found their place yet.

#

And honestly, as bad as this sounds, not everyone can do it. Not everyone can muster up the courage to talk to strangers, or to even use their mic. Thats no one's fault and no game functions can save them.

neon flume
#

At least among my friends we do deliberately try to spend time in public instances to try and meet more people and just be social outside of our bubble. I'm guessing that's not entirely uncommon with other friend groups too.

rigid crescent
#

from time to time i do the same and people join on me, or i join someone else on public. usually when i see a friend in public though i join them over someone not

pure hemlock
#

Most of the people I know avoid publics like a plague and I can't blame them

faint skiff
#

@brisk bone The TTS thing is going to kill you socially though. There'll be no voice emotion, no reaction sounds, a delay before you can respond, etc...

sacred berry
#

how do i beat the anxiety on vrchat? I am not used to being anxious to talk :/

rigid crescent
#

There's no real strategy to it. you just kinda....talk.

faint skiff
#

@brisk bone Can you not just... talk?

sacred berry
#

it just feels weird to jump into a convo

umbral reef
#

And keep in mind the odds of you saying more dumb shit then that they have already heard in this game is small

neon flume
#

I have a few friends who used tts on occasion. While I absolutely understand their hesitance to talking (I was mute for ~6 months) it does make conversing a little more difficult.

rigid crescent
#

Yeah, I get that. Just do it a few times and try it out. if it doesnt work you can just run away since its a game lol

#

No amount of game functions are going to help you with that though...

faint skiff
#

I mean, no matter how bad you think your voice is, the majority of people will immediately dislike you for using TTS from what I've seen

umbral reef
#

This Vrc talk makes me wanna play the game so šŸ‘‹

faint skiff
#

People using it tend to get ignored or muted

rigid crescent
#

my stuff is charging šŸ‘

sacred berry
#

see ya

#

tts? text to speech?

faint skiff
#

Plus even if you don't like your own voice, it doesn't mean everyone else will dislike it too

sacred berry
#

^true that

desert stratus
#

when you want to play the game but you're trying to do somethig with your avatar that's fucking weird and are just waiting for help cuz ur dumb >n<

faint skiff
#

I hate my own voice but no-one's ever told me (in VRC) that they hate it

sacred berry
#

voice doesn't really matter if you are good at talking

desert stratus
#

i spend so much longer in unity and blender than the actual game lol

neon flume
#

I was so worried that people would treat me differently once I started talking; yet when I did it seemed like the only difference was that people would interact with me more than before. I'm really quite glad that I'm no longer always mute.

rigid crescent
#

It's so weird, I've had people tell me they like my voice and thats jsut so fucking foreign to me lol

desert stratus
#

SAME. my voice weird

sacred berry
#

ppl don't understand me cus of my accent usually

umbral reef
#

They just want that rainbow hair mic

rigid crescent
#

but its usually my "oh god please stop crying" nice voice not my "breh deadass id smash 4real" one

sacred berry
#

or because i can't setup the mic in game but it works anywhere else

rigid crescent
#

they really do smh

faint skiff
#

Nordic people tell me I sound like a king. Americans mock my accent. Everyone else appears to be indifferent. Not sure what to make of that.

sacred berry
#

americans don't have an accent don't kill me

rigid crescent
#

Talking is just kind of something you have to do eventually unless you're just really good at being mute

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all my mute friends have turned into talking friends, I only have one on my friends list at this point. Even my TTS friend talks now

sacred berry
#

what is tts?

rigid crescent
#

text to speech, you had it right

faint skiff
#

Text to speech

sacred berry
#

oh lol

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never knew that exists

faint skiff
#

It's existed since the 80's lol

sacred berry
#

i just can't get my mic volume right even tho it's at 100%

rigid crescent
#

oh wait, I did have another friend who RPed a robot that used TTS but as far as I know they also talked outside of VRC

sacred berry
#

i meant in game enverex

faint skiff
#

It doesn't exist in game

sacred berry
#

oh

faint skiff
#

They're piping it in via other methods

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Make sure you have gain control enabled on your Mic btw

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Mine was useless till I turned that on

rigid crescent
#

The Chad Mute vs The Virgin Speaker

hybrid zenith
#

somebody should make a cattus avatar lol

neon flume
#

You can be that somebody, make the avatars you want to see in the world.

inner cape
#

what if your both, mic

faint skiff
#

You have a mic, but you only use it for beatboxing?

inner cape
#

not necessarily

umbral reef
#

Tmw someone reconizes you from this discord

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4head

dawn hull
#

hi

inner cape
#

that's cool tho, oclac

#

I never got that

dawn hull
#

a no mames

desert stratus
#

i dont think ive ever* seen anyone in this discord in-game on accident or by coincidence, so i've yet to deal with the "oh shit it's my teacher / classmate at the grocery store fuck me this is gonna be awkward" moment

inner cape
#

oh and <@&397642795457970181> that jaden guy

desert stratus
#

jaden...guy?