vrchat-general-2

[queen mango]

I'm holding you at gunpoint because I want to know where they are

[wise perch]

.;;.
please no XD

[slate verge]

😄

[queen mango]

But yeah. You'll be running into some interesting meme avatars when you look around in public avatar worlds. And if you happen to run upon a private one, best explore the place.

[median basalt]

There's some hidden gems out there

Just don't spam annoying effects in public all the time, that's a good way to get hidden quickly.

[queen mango]

Yeah. Not a good way to go.

[slate verge]

i usually just do it one or two times and then it got bored

[viscid summit]

It usually happens accidentally for me lol

[faint skiff]

TWENTY EIGHT STAB WOUNDS. Never gets old, shame about the shader effect.

[slate verge]

thank god i abandoned the link screaming meme avatar, it took me a 2 months before i can get rid of it

[median basalt]

@faint skiff friend of mine made that one lol

G1fan makes a lot of avatars that become very popular

[plush cove]

yooo

i ordered the vive

[wise perch]

nice

[plush cove]

hope it dosent come like september or something like that

[faint skiff]

Second hand I'd guess?

[plush cove]

new

[upper chasm]

Hi

[snow wadi]

@faint skiff We call those New-Old stock

[plush cove]

nah i brought a new one from the vive site

[snow wadi]

When it's a discontinued product but there are still new units in stock.

[faint skiff]

Isn't it still really expensive? The price hasn't dropped that much.

[plush cove]

i mean the og vive like the standard one

600 here

[snow wadi]

Yeah they'll still have quite a few left but when those run out then that's it.

[plush cove]

€

the original vives arent dicontinued

discontinued*

[snow wadi]

Index is out, Pro is there and the cosmos it coming up. I don't think they're keeping vive in the shelf that much longer.

The index is supposed to be the Vive's successor.

[plush cove]

its still up to date tho

[ruby needle]

Qhala i think you forget one thing tho

the Index is ba Valve

the Vive by HTC

so the Index isn't HTC's successor of the vive

[plush cove]

htc and vive collaborated with the original vive

[pure hemlock]

They'll likely stop selling the OG vive for the Cosmos for a few reasons.

[snow wadi]

Yeah but will HTC still bother when the index is like, the new hot cake?

[ruby needle]

we're talking about quite a different price range

so yes.

[snow wadi]

That price will not sit for long.

[plush cove]

i dont think thy will discontinue the og vive for like 2-5 years

i mean its still too new

[snow wadi]

3 years isn't exactly too new >_>

[pure hemlock]

Cosmos is replacing OG vive though in terms of market position. And they likely want to move away from Valve tech (The wands, lighthouses) now that Valve is in the game with their own stuff.

[plush cove]

i mean its one of the firs room scale vr

the vive

[faint skiff]

Surprised you didn't go for the Rift S or something. While I prefer the Steam ecosystem, the low res and pentile screen aren't great by todays standard (although the OLED colours/black are nice).

[plush cove]

so its more unlikely that they will discontinue it

[snow wadi]

I haz Rift S

[faint skiff]

I've got a Vive with an Index on order.

[plush cove]

@faint skiff i went with the vive cuz i tried the rift s and the vive and for some reason the rift s makes me sick

[faint skiff]

Interesting...

[plush cove]

idk why tho

maybe the foov is too small?

fov*

[snow wadi]

Really? When I tried the vive, 5 minutes in and it grey screened on me. Took off the headset and went "wow!"

[ruby needle]

did you just put them on or also made sure you adjusted the IPD?

[plush cove]

oh

might be that

i didnt adjust the ipd cuz it wasnt mine and i didnt know how to

[ruby needle]

with Rift S you need to do that in the settings as its software IPD

[faint skiff]

Rift S only has pseudo adjustment though so it may still not work well enough.

[snow wadi]

In terms of comfort however, Rift S is an easy win. Like putting a pillow on your face \ovo/

[faint skiff]

@snow wadi Grey screen means it lost tracking entirely or the base-stations were moving (e.g. someone banged the table they were on).

[plush cove]

im getting the index controllers when vrchat supports the finger tracking

[faint skiff]

It already does

[plush cove]

i mean you can move every finger, not only the normal gestures

[faint skiff]

Yes, that already works

[plush cove]

oh

[snow wadi]

@faint skiff No it was sent to HTC and it was the interior cabling to the signal receivers dying, this was a fresh out of the box headset mind you.

[plush cove]

nobody told me

[faint skiff]

@snow wadi Ah, oh well.

[inner cape]

I just realized what v in ovo is, it's a birds beak

[faint skiff]

@plush cove Did you ask? lol

[inner cape]

[snow wadi]

My best friend had his headset replaced twice already, he's getting fed up.

[plush cove]

what?

[snow wadi]

He's waiting for his index now.

Suppose to come in end of this week.

[plush cove]

@faint skiff wdym

[vestal sleet]

VRChat supported finger tracking when index was released

[plush cove]

o h

oh its still open beta

[snow wadi]

@faint skiff will you be VRCing anytime today btw? >v>

[plush cove]

l e m m e j o i n o p e n b e t a

ok so you can play with non open betas peopke

[frosty veldt]

The current open beta has nothing to do with finger tracking

[plush cove]

so lets dont

ok

who has the index?

[snow wadi]

Quite a few here I believe

[rough pulsar]

I do 👋

[plush cove]

ok

so when you move one finger

does one finger move or do you do the gesture?

[rough pulsar]

You always have full control of your fingers with Index Controllers, regardless of what any animation overrides do to finger bones.

[plush cove]

ok

thats nice

[rough pulsar]

To activate gesture overrides you make the gesture itself

[plush cove]

yeah i cnow

know*

[slate verge]

does the index make you do actual headpats?

like rubbing

[plush cove]

headpatt

[snow wadi]

Ofcourse it does, but it requires training from professional headpatters.

[slate verge]

uh huh.

[snow wadi]

Mhm >v>

But real talk, it's possible.

[slate verge]

nicesu

[plush cove]

its analog signal or digital (like can you move a little bit the finger or its all up or all down)

[vocal shard]

whats the current poly limit for avatars?

[snow wadi]

70k

But do try your best to drop it as much as you can!

[median basalt]

There is no limit @vocal shard

But your avatar will be ranked "Very Poor" above 70k

[faint skiff]

@snow wadi I'll try and get in earlier but it's a pain with my dad still hogging the lounge. He's leaving Saturday though so from that point onwards I'll be able to jump in any time again.

[vocal shard]

alright, 35k is enough if i add clothes too

[faint skiff]

I can technically jiump in while he's still here but I'd be one of those annoying fake mutes...

[snow wadi]

@faint skiff Hokai \o/

[vocal shard]

@faint skiff do you hate mutes?

[snow wadi]

I won't pop in right now, maybe like 4 hours from now?

[faint skiff]

No, but I've always just got abuse every time I had to be mute :(

[vocal shard]

damn

i dont get abused for being mute

[faint skiff]

@snow wadi I don't get home for another 3 and a half hours anyway so that suits me.

[snow wadi]

Noice o/

@rough pulsar What about you? >v>

[rough pulsar]

Not at home until later

[snow wadi]

Not right now D:

[plush cove]

@snow wadi wtf is that abomination of a pfp

[snow wadi]

Like 4 hours from now

It's my avatar.

[pure hemlock]

wtf

[plush cove]

i bet ur a ytap

trap*

[snow wadi]

Why...would I be a trap?

[plush cove]

cuz i sometimes am lol

[snow wadi]

Oh well I don't do that stuff.

I'm just me.

[plush cove]

could someone teach me how to do an anime voice?

in the time i get vr i need to learn that

[upper chasm]

OK i'm annoyed

[plush cove]

but why?

[snow wadi]

You don't need to learn that, just be yourself.

[upper chasm]

😠 i'm trying to set up a model but the parts have weird as F names

[plush cove]

aight i will do an italian that speaks english (yep thats me)

[snow wadi]

And that's a problem? I'd still talk with you if you're friendly and civilized. \ovo/

[plush cove]

nah its not

[glossy wharf]

Maeio how old are u

[plush cove]

13, why?

[glossy wharf]

nothing, just curious

[upper chasm]

what does Lowlid mean?

[glossy wharf]

Lowlid is the lower of the two lids on your eye

[plush cove]

so

one thing i will do is sleep in vrchat with full body tracking

[upper chasm]

what does vismes mean?

[plush cove]

d o n t a s k m e, i a m n o t a n e n g l i s h b o i

fo

everyone is sleepin

[vocal shard]

I have a text to speech site that I want to use, and I want it to play thru my mic, anyone know how to do this @ me

[vestal sleet]

Virtual cable will work for sure

Is there a better simple way idk

[covert blade]

@vocal shard VoiceMeeter can be used too

[fringe sentinel]

Technically if you're on windows 10 you can do it via the windows settings.

But either of those are usually better

[covert blade]

I bet there's also tutorials on YouTube about that

[faint skiff]

Sorry, did I just read back through the chat that a 13 year old kid occasionally pretends to be a trap?

Is that what that was?

[inner cape]

hold your horses, cowboy, that shouldn't concern you 🤠

[glossy wharf]

And even if, let the kid have fun lul

[faint skiff]

Not entirely sure encouraging padeophilia would be a good look for VRCs public image to be honest.

Not really an issue of "letting the kid have fun".

[languid beacon]

“Trap” implies they are are a minor trying to be hit on by guys and that’s a big no for me chief

No one cares if they want to pretend to be a girl. That’s not a trap.

[vestal sleet]

[languid beacon]

Isn’t there an age limit in this game anyway

[vestal sleet]

No it is "PG-13"

Beside no one actually read "I agree to the agreement shit "

[languid beacon]

Ok good to keep in mind

[vestal sleet]

Why did u think they banned xig 👀

[languid beacon]

I know my crowd really doesn’t watch their mouth that their are kids around

[vestal sleet]

Ya no body really does

To be fair I expect people to be around 20 and it still generally surprise me the amount of minor in this game. Especially one with VR headset

[languid beacon]

People getting and using vr for the first time really forget about boundaries

[vestal sleet]

I don't think it is that

I mean you don't go to a bar to watch out for kid

[languid beacon]

Not everywhere is the pug :p

[vestal sleet]

Well u know what I mean

[languid beacon]

Yes

[vestal sleet]

None of this game is really kid-friendly

[languid beacon]

I actually disagree

[faint skiff]

It's not PG-13, it's legally 13 due to US and international laws on the processing of data of minors and other similar things.

[languid beacon]

Anything NOT kid friendly is the how people talk; act; or the content they upload. In each case that’s player’s responsibility not the game

Everything official vrchat is perfectly G-rated it’s other players that change that

[kindred glacier]

wtf is up with vrchat

login, "vrchat not responding" then later "this announcement dJDjGHDdujDdj"

[vestal sleet]

Oh ya I agree with that @languid beacon . But since this is a player driven game that is what make it kid unfriendly to me

The game itself is fine

[covert blade]

^ unless the moderation was super strict to punish people very harshly for any sort of non-family friendly behavior the moment it happened

[languid beacon]

The gibberish text just is the placeholder text on the loading screen. It just means the game can load but the announcement didn’t

Though it can be a sign they are having server issues

[vestal sleet]

Unfortunately I think too strict moderation for alot of people. Since many people are in the age range of 20-30 and most people don't come to VR to get bounded by more rules

I do think people who openly scream the n word or spam shaders/ earrape or harresment should be banned

[languid beacon]

The game doesn’t need active moderation. It just needs people more willing to report.

[covert blade]

Yeah that too but sometimes you just have people talking about things in a way that is fine for adults but not fine for a 13 year old kid

Not specifically offensive, just not child friendly

[rough pulsar]

A more streamlined reporting system would go a long way.

[vestal sleet]

Well A LOT is not fine for 13 years old so that would be way too strict

[umbral reef]

TBH I'd love active moderation in pure public world's
Anything past that no thanks

[languid beacon]

A lot of people see stuff going on that shouldn’t happen and they just yell at them or try and stop the problem themselves instead of reporting it

[umbral reef]

But a easier more stream lined reporting would be dope.
We got a big step up already with keeping the outputlogs for longer but eh

[covert blade]

Nah just block

[vestal sleet]

Well what is thing that shouldn't happen tho

Do you think that if people ERP in the corner of a public world

[faint skiff]

I mean there literally isn't even a report option for reporting kids, so...

[languid beacon]

ERP in public is annoying but I just mute/hide them if it’s too distracting

[rough pulsar]

For reporting stuff that only needs image evidence a feature that spawns a special local-only camera and sends the image that off to the moderation team would be pretty good I think.

[vestal sleet]

It depend on the person. If you find it annoying you can mute block or leave but I don't think that is something people should look down too

[languid beacon]

I couldn’t deal with two peoples wet mouth sounds it was gross

[vestal sleet]

But as I mentioned before spamming n word or super annoying shaders is what I would like to be reported

[languid beacon]

The visual was fine they were just intersecting each other’s faces

[vestal sleet]

Oh I was thinking more just general dirty talk

[covert blade]

Actually, @vestal sleet that avatar in your pfp, would that even be considered "child friendly"?

[rough pulsar]

Public ERP can easily count as simulated sex acts as noted in https://vrchat.com/community-guidelines soooooo....

[vestal sleet]

I mean u r right my avatar is not kid friendly

[covert blade]

I mean, it's not "NSFW" in the way that sensitive parts are shown but it is very revealing

[languid beacon]

Yeah but to properly report it I’d have to record it which in vr is too much hassle

[faint skiff]

Although it's not technically any more revealing than a bikini is, which you can wear in public...

[languid beacon]

Most people just mute and move on since reporting is too much work

[queen carbon]

Sheesh these server rules are a minefield

[vestal sleet]

But most people r fine with it and it would really ruin the game if u straight up ban it

[covert blade]

Yeah but no one says something about a bikini. People would say something if said bikini or bra was missing entirely and it looked more revealing

[vestal sleet]

I don't ever use nude avatar

[covert blade]

Good because that'd get you banned instantly :p

[umbral reef]

@queen carbon they are fairly silly but don't push them and your fine
Im for sure one who can confirm that lmao

[vestal sleet]

But I do however do lewd dances 🍑

[covert blade]

But lewd = not child friendly. Hmm

[faint skiff]

@covert blade Well, not instantly. I'm still seeing the same people running around with naked avatars, so...

[queen carbon]

@umbral reef if I can even remember them

[covert blade]

Fine for adults, not fine for some 13 year old that has the parents watching

[umbral reef]

@queen carbon no frogger boy and that's it really

[covert blade]

I mean could you imagine some kiddo being in VRchat while his parents are watching and while some lewd dance was happening? Woops

[vestal sleet]

Ya but I really don't wanna go around and have to ask if everyone is over 18 or what

[queen carbon]

I was supposed to validate a phone number to get in this server I think. But I didn't and now I am in anyways.
Am I missing some features here because I didn't do the phone validation, or was that actually just a suggestion and not mandatory?

[vestal sleet]

99.99% of the time I never have any problem

Except one time a 14 years old asked for a lap dances and I just said no

[languid beacon]

Largely depends on the person. My parents would call most MMD dances to be sexual but the rest of the world wouldn’t

[covert blade]

Point being: This game is not for kiddos unless they're in a private environment

[umbral reef]

Ow nope
They do it for some silly reasons but nothing your.missing. saphkey

[rough pulsar]

Debatable. Back when I first came to vrchat I'd have had no problems bringing a 13 year old around since if there was any of this weird pseudo-sexual stuff going on you almost never ever saw it.

[languid beacon]

I think opposite. Game should be kid friendly except in private

Aka “no, you get out”

[rough pulsar]

Well yeah, that's pretty much what the rules state, and I agree.

[vestal sleet]

I think it is hard to define

[umbral reef]

@rough pulsar lose moderation almost always results in a more NSFW community and lazy care for the other rules.

[vestal sleet]

It honestly it is way to much if it is just a hard no

[umbral reef]

Even if it's not allowed, who cares. No one will get punished

That's the mindset right now
ND if you get punished, you just make an new account and are set.

[covert blade]

Soooo can I freely report any of those FBT anime chicks pole dancers?

[languid beacon]

The stance that “kids should be in private worlds if they don’t want to see it” is a very bad mindset and also does not align with VRChat’s rules

[vestal sleet]

Ya I disagree with that too

[covert blade]

That wasn't a mindset, that was me stating a fact about how the current situation is.

[vestal sleet]

I just think that however If you come to this game u shouldn't expect everyone to be a teletubbies, if at all

[covert blade]

I mean I could go around and report anyone saying a bad word until the moderation team starts to think I'm a madman for reporting so many people

In fact let's go beyond that and report any worlds that include alcohol of some sort.

[languid beacon]

You do realize there’s an entire world between teletubbies and porn models

[vestal sleet]

Tbh it is not just a problem with vrc . It is also why people have problem with the league of legends reporting system and stuff

[hollow breach]

I like teletubbies though ; (

[vestal sleet]

I don't use nude model as I have mentioned

[umbral reef]

I still think it's hard for people to understand how the old community was unless they where a part of it

[vestal sleet]

But I also don't think model in my avatar should be disallowed while it is not kid friendly

[umbral reef]

Think of it like a small Minecraft server vs a big one really

[vestal sleet]

You can't possibly make a true "kid friendly" environment is what I am trying to get

[languid beacon]

You can. Society does it all the time

[umbral reef]

It's 13+ for a reason
It's also not 18+ for a reason

[languid beacon]

If the real world can do it, a game can do it

[covert blade]

13+ because it's the standard US law for online interaction

[vestal sleet]

Well people smoke weeds in the street. Is that kid friendly

[covert blade]

Because it works so well in the real world amirite?

[vestal sleet]

In Canada weed is legal and LOT of people smoke weed on the street

[languid beacon]

It works fine enough

[queen carbon]

Owners just make the rules to fit in with th industry standards of the country. As to for example not get sued.

[plush cove]

so lets hope my vr headset dosent come in september or that late

[covert blade]

What did ya get?

[plush cove]

htc vive

[covert blade]

Huh, mine came after 3 days ±

[plush cove]

idk

my steam controller came after 3 months

here in italy sometimes they are late

[covert blade]

"sometimes"

[plush cove]

(all the time

[covert blade]

Waiting three months for something that's in stock is insanity

[plush cove]

the steam controller was in stock

[covert blade]

Yeah, as I was saying, it's insanity

[plush cove]

ok

[covert blade]

You didn't get dat did ya?

[plush cove]

n o

[covert blade]

Standard delivery time when in stock in Germany: 2-3 days
Standard delivery time when in stock in Italy: 3 months

[plush cove]

yep

i mean my steam controller got delayed for some reaso

n ok but no

[covert blade]

You can edit messages. Duh

[vestal sleet]

(waiting for index to come to Canada )

[covert blade]

And estimated time for when that'll happen?

[plush cove]

18 months

[covert blade]

notu

[plush cove]

||here the delivery most of the times succ||

the chat died, happy now?

[upper chasm]

?

[hollow breach]

All I say is

Canada for the win : 3

[stoic halo]

i dont understand why i get sent back to my home sometimes when im afk

[hollow breach]

Stop going afk, ez fix

[south garden]

Hoi guys

Im doenloading vrchat rn and found out there's a discord for it.😄

[hollow breach]

The people here are scary

I would run if I were you

[south garden]

Scary?

[hollow breach]

Yes

[south garden]

How?

[faint skiff]

Watch out for the 13 year old traps.

[hollow breach]

Enverex knows from experience 👀

[south garden]

Oh

Uh ok

[hollow breach]

But honestly, the people here will devour you

You see these chat mods?

They are public enemy number 1

[south garden]

Idk what chat mods are tbh pr what public enemy 1 means. I havent played it yet

But im sure I'll understand what all that means when i play it sp yeah😁

[hollow breach]

People who moderate the discord server

[south garden]

[hollow breach]

Those are chat mods...

[snow wadi]

Would you two stop scaring the poor guy? xD

[south garden]

Oh

[hollow breach]

I’m telling him the brutal truth

I have fought these chat mods for decades

[snow wadi]

[south garden]

[faint skiff]

Remember, when a 10 year old kid starts running around you screaming "ni**er" to select them, report them and then block them. The more you know

[hollow breach]

Report?

[south garden]

Ok

[hollow breach]

Nah

[south garden]

Or ill just mute them

[hollow breach]

This is what u do

U join the 10 year old : 3

[south garden]

[hollow breach]

Only report crashers

[south garden]

K

[ruby needle]

No @hollow breach

[faint skiff]

I mean the reports just go in the bin anyway so it doesn't really matter

[hollow breach]

Fak the mods are here

[ruby needle]

Report rule breaking behaviour

[hollow breach]

Gotta go

[queen carbon]

Secret rule is: join the rulebreakers but don't tell anyone.

[south garden]

@ruby needle k

[queen carbon]

As I have never done of course.

[hollow breach]

@south garden remember my words

Gotta blast

[south garden]

Cya i guess

[snow wadi]

The hell just happened?

[south garden]

Idk

[faint skiff]

Original is trying to taint the children

[snow wadi]

I mean at least let the fellow experience vrc for a day so they get a feel of the total insanity that awaits.

I mean at least for me when I join @rough pulsar in VRC it's full on shenanigans.

[hollow breach]

Okay the mods have left, I can return now

[ruby needle]

Can we please keep this chat normal? Thank you

[hollow breach]

NO

What is normal O_o

[snow wadi]

@ruby needle I need to meet you in vrc one day as well in future \ovo/

[ruby needle]

[hollow breach]

U could meet me : 3

[south garden]

Hoi

[hollow breach]

I’m quite cool

[snow wadi]

At least while Gall is around, he shows off his index and slaps me in the face when he doesn't get a gesture right

It's bird abuse I tell you ;_;

[ruby needle]

wow

rude.

[snow wadi]

Nah I kid, Gall is awesome to hang out with ❤

[faint skiff]

That reminds me, I need to add my ears back onto my avatar before I jump in this evening

[snow wadi]

BACK in? Why did they come off before?

[hollow breach]

He got called a furry and got insecure about it

[ruby needle]

Anthromoph has nothign to do with furry

[faint skiff]

You'd think I'd remove the wings, ear fins or tail before the ears if that were the case, lol

[snow wadi]

I just say Ok when someone says that to me, no harm done ovo

[hollow breach]

@ruby needle ye I know but people still say “omg it’s a furry”

[faint skiff]

But no, it's because I finally found some ears that I found somewhat accurate and use them on the "new" models but haven't retrofitted my old avatar yet.

[ruby needle]

they they are simply stupid and dont know what furry even means

[vernal forge]

the only question to ask yourself is , would you smash or nah

[ruby needle]

dont listen to people that just want to anoy you

ignore them, thats the best you can do to fight em ^^

[faint skiff]

I don't think anyone's called me a furry in this avatar yet. People with cat ears and tails would be dangerously close to the pot calling the kettle black if they did, and most everyone is a wolf or cat boy/girl.

[hollow breach]

Hehehe

FPaul spelt annoy wrong

[snow wadi]

My avatar is an anthromorph but not everyone is that well educated on the matter :<

[hollow breach]

And I took a screenshot

[rough pulsar]

Hanging with the furries in vrc is great for your framerate since they optimize their stuff.

[vernal forge]

that reminds me of a scale based on furry level picture

[snow wadi]

@rough pulsar Thank you ❤ \o/

[faint skiff]

Although I have uploaded a... rather over the top furry avatar just to annoy people that pull the furry card. It literally looks like an actual fursuit because the hands are just so... weirdly large. In VR it legitimately feels like you're wearing massive gloves.

That was a lot of typos.

[vernal forge]

we gucci

[vestal sleet]

Oh those one

Ya when people see cat ear on avatar and call them furry :puke:

[faint skiff]

I mean it is furry-lite though, people just don't want to admit it 😉

[vernal forge]

do people find wolf boy full of tattoos and piercings appealing tho ?

[covert blade]

Apparently so

[faint skiff]

Giant floofy hair, cat/wolf ears, tail, etc...

I mean it's a half-step away from actual anthro.

[vestal sleet]

?avatar

Oppps

[covert blade]

I mean tbh just a human character with cat ears isn't really furry

[ruby needle]

Anthromorth and furry are 2 different things for a reason

[faint skiff]

Maybe not with just ears, but you start adding more bits, changing more things...

They are, but one's certainly on it's way to the other

[covert blade]

I also don't get the people that see some anime chick with cat ears and be like "eww furry"

If they'd know there's different kinds of that stuff

[faint skiff]

You'd think they'd be more "eww, you look 14 and aren't wearing very much" but that's an entirely different discussion...

Classic Japan

[covert blade]

Still waiting for someone to be like: "Eww why u play as female when ur male"

[vestal sleet]

Meh

[faint skiff]

Can you answer that? Why do most guys play as female avatars?

[vestal sleet]

I had People call me gay when I dances but most people rather have good tittes 🤗

[covert blade]

Because as a straight male, I prefer females over males. If I have the choice to be a different gender from my own, then I'll take it. If I have the choice to be something else than a standard human, I'll take it

[vestal sleet]

2019 you can be whatever the fuck you want pogg

If you must become a potato then u shall

[covert blade]

This also applies to skin color too. I'm white but sometimes I just play as a colored character (not in VRC because those are super rare)

Basically I just pick whatever I feel like picking at the moment either for variety or simply because I find it more appealing to look at.

[faint skiff]

I could understand that in 3rd person, but in first person? Then it's purely what other people see, you won't really see yourself (except your wrists/hands)

[covert blade]

And mirror

[vestal sleet]

Meh basically just being urself is lame

[covert blade]

And the fact that I still don't like the male models that much

[vestal sleet]

It is more or less why game aren't realstic because they would be lame if they were

[faint skiff]

I wasn't saying to "be your physical human self" I was just asking why most guys use female avatars specifically.

[covert blade]

I mean if I were going by the logic of "I can't see myself anyways" I could just play as Robot Kyle

[vestal sleet]

Well still apply right

Look at my pfp

[upper chasm]

so i have my model set and speaking, hurray

[covert blade]

And not just female characters, female characters with animal parts too.

[vestal sleet]

👀 no one see anything don't tos me

[faint skiff]

Depends, if you've got a male voice then a male boy because the voice disconnect would be... jarring.

[covert blade]

In any MMORPG I've played so far where there was a race that was human with animal traits, the vast majority of people play as that

[languid beacon]

In most flat pancake games they usually say “because I’d rather stare at a girl butt for 29 hours than a guy’s butt”

[still lark]

Robot Kyle is a fuckin legend

[covert blade]

It's the only default avatar I like

[faint skiff]

I always self-project into games so I try and stick with something that I can more easily "fit into" subconsciously.

[rough pulsar]

I'm something of an outlier in that I'm a man, and so is my vrc avatar. ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[vestal sleet]

Meh it just depend on the person.

[languid beacon]

Personally I prefer male avatars because I like to feel like it’s me, yes

[covert blade]

Yeah but others usually want to not play as themselves

That wasn't English shhhhhh

[languid beacon]

I don’t identify as female nor do I want to be one so it feels weird to me

[rough pulsar]

Same ^ (@languid beacon)

[still lark]

Can't believe

[covert blade]

But yeah, now ya know the reason

[still lark]

God dammit Gallium

[vestal sleet]

[rough pulsar]

HA HA

[still lark]

I was gonna make funny joke

[faint skiff]

Keep in mind the question was for guys who don't wish they were girls IRL, because then the answer is obvious. I'm talking more about straight (or gay) guys who are happy as males IRL.

[vestal sleet]

Inb4 Anyone questions me I am straight and not gay :< and I am a short Asian young boy not a big buffed beef man

[languid beacon]

Don’t specify your sexuality it never looks good lol

[vestal sleet]

O

[languid beacon]

Besides gay dudes don’t want to be female anyway

[still lark]

I am 110% straight

[vestal sleet]

Is that how it works

[obsidian herald]

I'm a straight male christian who uses female avatars.

[faint skiff]

The phrase "big buffed beef man" is going to stick with me now. I have some silly Japanese mascot stuck in my head now.

[still lark]

I'm the manliest man you'll ever man.

[vestal sleet]

Nah I enjoy my male body but also enjoy cosplaying as a girl

🤗

[faint skiff]

@languid beacon The first two friends I made in VRC were two gay guys who love touching each other's female avatars and obsessed over thigh-highs, so...

[covert blade]

Pffffff wow

[languid beacon]

I question their gayness

[faint skiff]

I did too, I was like.. I don't understand what's happening here. It's cute... but I'm at a loss, lol.

[languid beacon]

When in doubt, bi. Most of my capital G gay friends are afraid of breasts

[still lark]

Best and worst of both worlds!

[faint skiff]

Schrodinger's Gay

[vestal sleet]

Honestly there is a lot of wolf boy too so it is not like everyone play as a female avatar

[obsidian herald]

I will admit that when I started playing VRChat, I used male avatars, a few months later, I started using female avatars.

[faint skiff]

To be honest, wolf boi's make my question my sexuality but that's a discussion for another day and probably not this channel.

[languid beacon]

I have a custom avatar that is very personal to me and it’s male

[vestal sleet]

I think there is 50 50 female and male avatar. It is just that the player actual gender might be more 30/70

[still lark]

Hol up

[faint skiff]

More like 95/5. If that

[vestal sleet]

Nah there is decent amount of female

[frosty veldt]

Main reason I play as female avatars is because it feels boring to play as something you already are. I think I have 1 normal human avatar.

[vestal sleet]

Uganda ain't people sry I don't count those

[frosty veldt]

0 normal human avatars then

[misty turret]

@frosty veldt most of my stuff are monster girls, or other creatures.

[obsidian herald]

Female avatars outnumber male avatars

[faint skiff]

Monster girls = best girls.

[frosty veldt]

With 100 avatars it's probably 50 harpies, 20 Warframes, and then misc

[covert blade]

Too few monster girl avatar worlds

[faint skiff]

And yeah, there are exponentially more female avatars than male avatars. That was the second biggest reason I threw in the towel to make my own.

[frosty veldt]

That's also due to a lot of MMD stuff being female imo

[covert blade]

I wonder what the avatar worlds would look like if MMD didn't exist.

[frosty veldt]

The whole avatar scene would be different

[languid beacon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/553443866301300756/593343337072873503/VRChat_1920x1080_2019-06-25_20-12-06.182.png

[covert blade]

Cute

[faint skiff]

Far more game avatars, I'd guess. More of those weird pseudo realistic, reboot 90's ass looking weird models. Like the default stock Second Life ones.

[vestal sleet]

O

[frosty veldt]

Probably more stuff like custom Y-bot or nikei edits or game rips yeah

[vestal sleet]

Tfw never played sl

[faint skiff]

Probably for the best. It could be amazing with some of the massive, hand-crafted worlds. But there was also a lot of garbage.

Reminds me a lot of 4chan. Wading through oceans of piss to find that rare gem.

Often not really worth it.

[vestal sleet]

Never even heard of it tbh

[frosty veldt]

Issue I have with sl avatars is the uncanny valley

[languid beacon]

I admire SL’s in-game building tools for worlds and avatars

[vestal sleet]

I am a kid sully

[faint skiff]

MS Comic Chat -> Cybertown -> Second Life -> VRChat is pretty much how "cutting edge" cyberwebs socialising went.

[languid beacon]

It’s terrible at everything else

[vestal sleet]

Legit I have never heard or seen it until like 1 years after I started VRChat

[south garden]

[frosty veldt]

Weren't the devs of second life working on sansar?

[languid beacon]

Being able to make a world in-game as a collaboration is pretty awesome

It’s complicated. The creator of Second Life quit to make High Fidelity, and then the company he left behind went to make Sansar.

[faint skiff]

I met several people in SL who made enough money selling the things they crafted in-game to live comfortably in big cities like London.

[umbral reef]

The Guy that made SL got so lucky and thought he could push that luck to vr
funny enough it didnt

So he jumped ship like always

[languid beacon]

Yeah he always makes stuff than abandons it, that’s all he does . That’s why I have no faith in high fidelity

[faint skiff]

SL was supported by whales. Their pricing was insane and that's what concerns me about VRC, if they take the same approach.

[vestal sleet]

Vrc is supported by htc

(at the moment)

[frosty veldt]

Uncanny valley all around, that's why I'm kinda glad anime is a big thing in vrchat as when people don't know what they are doing it at least just looks like a cartoon

[languid beacon]

See I don’t believe that people say it but they also say it’s Facebook money

I think people just make assumptions

[vestal sleet]

Yes it is

Well I mean how u think they r getting money right now

[languid beacon]

Oh yes SL human base is god awful

[faint skiff]

Although I do wonder how much money is wasted on having a Frisco base, that seems like needless excess.

[umbral reef]

@languid beacon not like vrcs is turning out to be better

[languid beacon]

I think it looks fine

[frosty veldt]

Some people have good looking realistic human avatars (like gallium) but a lot of the time they sit right in the valley

[faint skiff]

@languid beacon I'm sure that's entirely the reason 😉

[umbral reef]

The insane amount of lewd, suggestive and predatory stuff scares me tbh
It happens mainly in private rooms but it's imo like those discord servers

[vestal sleet]

Well u can just close ur eyes

👀

[rough pulsar]

I had someone call me ugly once because I wasn't an unlit animu.

[faint skiff]

shhh, only dreams now

[still lark]

Anyone got those discords?
Like the exact invite link?
So I can avoid them at all costs.

[languid beacon]

If I found a male human avie that felt like me I’d use it. :p until then I think animal avatars are more of a blank slate

[faint skiff]

@rough pulsar I was told I look like clay when I made my first avatar, before knowing about shaders.

[vestal sleet]

Why so u need the link to avoid it

[rough pulsar]

Probably because realtime skin shading is pretty complex.

[umbral reef]

@still lark look up on the discord server lists. I'm not talking about normal.nsfw things... More the ones that end on you 'youyiber exposes' side

[south garden]

im playing the game it really fun so far

[rough pulsar]

I've spent around a year or so tweaking and refining my skin shader so it doesn't look like crap.

[umbral reef]

Me and my literally white horn boy avatars are happy c:

[rough pulsar]

But so much more rewarding when you do :>

[vestal sleet]

No clue what a youyiber is

[faint skiff]

Haha. youyiber. I think they meant YouTuber.

[still lark]

@rough pulsar I wanna see you human

[frosty veldt]

I've just upgraded from anime to warframes to avoid that dreaded human skin lol

[languid beacon]

I want to see @rough pulsar ‘s avatar too

[rough pulsar]

Finding pics, gimme a bit

[vestal sleet]

Send

[umbral reef]

While we are on topic of avatars
Feel free to add me ingame to see my shitty jokes on my avatars

[vestal sleet]

My name is" tenten（♥Ω♥） ~♪"lmao

[still lark]

I'm so triggered I can't react to messages

Wait mobile pls

[frosty veldt]

How the hell would you type that name tenten

[snow wadi]

When I first met Gall in vrc he demonstrated giving the finger and said "Index, bitch!"

I sat there like o.o;

[frosty veldt]

Gallium explained to me the correct way to fix fullbody

[faint skiff]

Was it his... index finger?

[snow wadi]

@faint skiff Get the hell out of here lol

[faint skiff]

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/b8/5b/42/b85b42e56d761f7c8da2cb098d274633.jpg

[snow wadi]

[vestal sleet]

You can just do it on computer

[umbral reef]

Can we start a vote kick for that joke?

[vestal sleet]

Or just do it on the website

[frosty veldt]

Yeah was just wondering since vrchat doesn't like special characters in game

[faint skiff]

A lot of people have non-ASCII characters in their username. I've never quite understood why the client allows it.

[desert stratus]

imagine putting inaccessible characters (from the vr keyboard) in your username

[faint skiff]

I mean it literally makes it impossible to report or even type them.

[desert stratus]

this post was made by the letters-only gang

[still lark]

Because we live in a multi language planet?

[snow wadi]

Even better when you need to recover your account you're sitting there with this face :B

[still lark]

You're essentially saying, fuck non English speakers.

[desert stratus]

i keep on having nightmares because a long time ago i changed my name to hhave a capital O instead of a 0 because all of my friends complained about it

[rough pulsar]

@still lark @languid beacon Hi, it's me
https://i.imgur.com/ZBxdgZC.png

[snow wadi]

Oh god that face

[desert stratus]

lo and behold, everyone started trying to type out the 0 instead of the capital O

[still lark]

Hi hi hi

[faint skiff]

"What was their name?" "Oh, it was □□□□□□□□"

[still lark]

You look good

[vestal sleet]

Ya what about 中文名字 or 日本語

[desert stratus]

also that's pretty skin holy shit

[vestal sleet]

🚫

[snow wadi]

The face of someone who's still trying to figure out where his helmet is.

[still lark]

You have logs for a reason

[faint skiff]

@still lark That's not reason to allow non-word characters.

[frosty veldt]

Real odst don't wear helmets

[faint skiff]

@still lark Which also just show garbage...

So Gallium is Adam Jensen's stunt double.

[snow wadi]

Wait that's not adam jensen's face >_>

[rough pulsar]

I don't get paid enough to get punched through walls

[snow wadi]

That's his long lost cousin

[faint skiff]

@snow wadi Hence why he's the stunt double, not actually him... lol

[snow wadi]

His name's Jensen Adam : D

I'll shup up now ._.

[faint skiff]

Jadam Ensen

[rough pulsar]

Adrian Johnson

[snow wadi]

LMAO

[vestal sleet]

Now that I think about it is pretty hard to report non English name people

But have never seen a non English name people deserve reporting

[faint skiff]

I mean forums and such only allowed ASCII characters for years, same with Reddit and such. It's an accounting nightmare otherwise.

[languid beacon]

Yeah good luck reporting a Japanese person or someone with Unicode symbols lol

[vestal sleet]

Troll r always stupid American /s

[faint skiff]

@vestal sleet You'll see a lot of people with no actual real ASCII letters or even UTF word characters in time.

[vestal sleet]

I have

[faint skiff]

Either it'll be blank, or garbage, or just squares, or symbols, etc.

[vestal sleet]

Oh I have not seen that often

I thought u mean Chinese or Japanese names

[faint skiff]

Requiring people to log in with their username rather than email address I think would probably stop that issue dead in its tracks.

[vestal sleet]

Both which I can read anyway

👀

[languid beacon]

Cool avatar galleum. I might try a realistic human avatar if vr ever progresses to the point of Face expression capture

[frosty veldt]

If you required username that would lock people out of their accounts instantly lmao

[faint skiff]

People using moonrunes could just type their name as usual and log in. People using garbage would have to rely on copy-pasting their username and praying it still works properly.

[vestal sleet]

Hey my name have emoji in it :<

Also notice that typing other languages might not be as friendly as typing emoji

[rough pulsar]

@languid beacon I keep meaning to try out my idea of facial mocap to help generate visemes, not full on realtime facial pose transfer, but as close as we can get with vrchat as it is now.

[vestal sleet]

Gallium I want to see too papa

[frosty veldt]

He posted it upwards

[rough pulsar]

Scroll up ^

[vestal sleet]

Oh jesus

That must kill performance

[languid beacon]

My issue with realistic faces in games is they can look frozen and rigid . Real faces do micro expressions constantly , and the more realistic the style is the more you notice the micro expressions are missing

[still lark]

What (tenten)

[faint skiff]

Your face isn't made of rock Scruffy. It moves. It flows, like water. Like face water.

[frosty veldt]

Gallium your normal map is killing my computer

[copper dew]

hi

[snow wadi]

@rough pulsar https://imgur.com/HyVuQ3B I ish happeh with performance ❤

[rough pulsar]

I had someone say that once "omg your normal maps are lagging me"

[copper dew]

i kant yon worlds

[frosty veldt]

God forbid he also has specular and roughness

[still lark]

I mean, technically they are

[faint skiff]

@snow wadi Your tongue makes me uncomfortable. It looks... far more real than the rest, lol.

[still lark]

Very technically though.

[snow wadi]

@faint skiff Leave my tongue out of this ;_;

[faint skiff]

I will if you will 😛

[snow wadi]

NANI?!

[rough pulsar]

But the performance on my skin shader is pretty good, since it's using the pre-integrated subsurface scattering method.

[snow wadi]

Your avatar is fine, I had no issues rendering you at all

[still lark]

Chances are it's probably better than most shaders people use. xd

[frosty veldt]

He doesn't even use dynamic bones smh

[faint skiff]

Just the one

[rough pulsar]

Not even one

[still lark]

Below the waist?

[rough pulsar]

It's another advantage to using male avatars, less need for dynamic bones.

[snow wadi]

I have a few dyna bones >_>;

[frosty veldt]

Yeah, man in odst armor doesnt need them unless you want your hair to sway like a commercial

[vestal sleet]

Oh I wish my hair would be dynamic

[still lark]

Maybe it's Maybelline?

[snow wadi]

Or like Geralts fantastic hair from the witcher

[vestal sleet]

But that would kill performance

[rough pulsar]

Hey now, I got some upgrades. I got some sweet Mjolnir MK IV now 😉

[vestal sleet]

I noticed having long hair is really annoying and clucky

[snow wadi]

Wait you have a new suit now?

[faint skiff]

Pfft. I need them for hair, wings, tail, ear fins, sometimes a coat/jacket...

[opaque hawk]

Yeah long hair looks nice in concept but not in practice

[rough pulsar]

Not since we first met Qhala

[snow wadi]

Oh o.o

[vestal sleet]

When your long hair doeant flick it look bad

[rough pulsar]

It's been a bit since I last bumped into Scion though

[faint skiff]

I need an av with longer hair though, it's odd having longer hair IRL than in game.

[vestal sleet]

What an av

[faint skiff]

Avatar, the virtual manifestation of yourself in game

The "model" of you

[desert stratus]

im currently debating whether to give my avatar a freakishly long side ponytail or cute short one

[frosty veldt]

@rough pulsar Thanks again for telling me the non CATS FBT fix, having a blast reuploading everything again

[ruby burrow]

Pony tails can be a decent middle ground between long swishy hair and optimisation.

Easy to make look good.

[rough pulsar]

Fun fact: Avatar is derived from a sanskrit word (avatara) which means descent, to make one's appearance, mainly used to refer to the physical incarnation of divine beings.

[snow wadi]

I'll play some warframe for now, @rough pulsar @faint skiff will pop into vrc in an hour \o/ ❤

[vestal sleet]

My dream is to have a lewd animation and incorporate it into your full body dances without looking clucky

[desert stratus]

im debating a lot of middle grounds with my avatar rn lol, not just optimization and aesthetics but also a little bit of "oh god i hope i dont come off like this kind of person" and "i wanna be cute without breaking the rules"

[still lark]

What MR are you? :P

[vestal sleet]

But that sound kind of hard. although it would look so good

[rough pulsar]

@snow wadi I'm gonna get a bit of sleep in, but if you're around later I'll stop by.

[desert stratus]

or in other words, if i can get a good open-hoodie going for this thing, do i wrap it up by giving myself cute undergarments or a proper top/shirt and miniskirt/shorts or any equivalent

[vestal sleet]

Undergarments

[desert stratus]

eh im about to answer that question myself in 5 min

depends on which better one i find first

[vestal sleet]

Because cute is justice

[desert stratus]

cute is justice

i just dont wanna get licked whenever i enter the black cat

[vestal sleet]

:notice you across the floor:

[desert stratus]

cease

[vestal sleet]

Ok no ERP in here

[desert stratus]

no <3

[vestal sleet]

For the longest time I thought ERP mean electronic

Like digital or online....

[snow wadi]

@rough pulsar Hokai ovo/

[frosty veldt]

Emotional role play

[polar elm]

Educational role play

[desert stratus]

yeah it would make more sense in context tbh... actually scratch that that's debatable

[rough pulsar]

Enthusiastic Role Play

[vestal sleet]

That a good one lul education

[desert stratus]

since you dont necessarily have to ERP through a digital medium, if pen-pals-with-benefits is your thing...

[frosty veldt]

If you're learning => educational

[still lark]

@rough pulsar remove the sketch .Ru link up there please

[vestal sleet]

But ya when people ask me to ERP I am like OwO! It doesn't help that I use a lewd avatar either

[polar elm]

Yeah, you get to learn about each others bodies

[vestal sleet]

Then I learned the truth

[desert stratus]

the challenge with my avatar is to strike the balance between lewd and cute just right that cute becomes the dominating aura, since that's the one i want to achieve

[frosty veldt]

Doesn't matter what avatar you use people will want to ERP

[desert stratus]

which is also why my avatar looks like a smelly, unkempt NEET because i am one

[frosty veldt]

What's a NEET

[desert stratus]

not employed, educated, or....talented?

[rough pulsar]

Not in Education Employment or Training

[desert stratus]

oh yeah

technically i dont count since im still in school but bluhhh

[frosty veldt]

Neat

[desert stratus]

i just picked out the messiest hair, a hoodie, some leggings and a slipper. threw on a GAMER HEADSET and a cute bow and called it a day

[vestal sleet]

Just have a clone without ur hoodie

Then u can be both as needed

If there were animation to take off ur cloth instead of they just appear and disappear

That would be so cool and immer

[heavy dawn]

sOlar: sounds good

[rough pulsar]

Gonna go get some sleep, don't wreck the place while I'm gone.

[desert stratus]

tbh if i cant find any cute undergarments i might just go with whatever stock ones come with the base, maybe a little bit bigger.

[heavy dawn]

NEET == Not Employed Education or Training I thought...

[frosty veldt]

Gn gallium

[desert stratus]

says that as i suddenly see the perfect bra...

[heavy dawn]

Gallium: Oops. 😐

[desert stratus]

well then, time to get k i t b a s h i n g

[opaque hawk]

Kitbashing is fun

Made a cute android recently

[desert stratus]

kitbashing is mildly annoying

if all goes right i wont be kitbashing anymore a year from now

[heavy dawn]

What is kitbashing?

[umbral reef]

Show photo akalink

[desert stratus]

taking parts from other models and throwing them together

[umbral reef]

Cant just say these things and not show us

[vestal sleet]

Oh I tried that

It didn't work very well when I tried

[opaque hawk]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/485209926491308033/602705491008684033/VRChat_1920x1080_2019-07-21_19-25-55.467.png

[vestal sleet]

And I have gave up on making avatar ever since

[opaque hawk]

That avatar was basically “what can I accomplish with my limited understanding of normal maps”

[desert stratus]

thank god for color scheme generators, now i dont haveto bother learning color theory for a while

pro gamer skills

[opaque hawk]

Yeah, that avatar I actually used a random color generator and copied the hex code for the first one I liked

For the hair that is

[inner cape]

people not having their own colour schemes

[desert stratus]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/577999283916111885/602926513649745994/unknown.png

if this doesnt result in my avatar looking like a piece of 3-month-old halloween candy then ihave failed

[opaque hawk]

More like 3 month early

[desert stratus]

?

i dont get it >~>

[opaque hawk]

Halloween is almost 3 months away

[desert stratus]

i thought halloween was like

next week...

[inner cape]

merry Christmas

[opaque hawk]

Looking forward to the spooky avatars again. Last year was excellent in that regard.

I’m looking forward to redoing my temporary Halloween map into a permanent map, and adding more funny tombstones

[frosty veldt]

Yeah I've got to go back and fix up my holiday avatars, forgot we were getting close

[faint skiff]

Christ it's hot. Cue the ice-cream and drink which is 90% ice...

[upper chasm]

So worlds i visit seem to crash alot

[still lark]

Does that mean you crash them or? :P

[upper chasm]

i go and my game just dies

[vestal sleet]

[opaque hawk]

I been crashing a lot too, but it’s quit the game crashes

[still lark]

I've had mid game crashes

[vestal sleet]

U guys have crasher on or something

[desert stratus]

pfft i jsut found a cursed component for my avatar

any of yall ever bought one of these ? https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/577999283916111885/602931641681444874/unknown.png?width=683&height=676

[mental shuttle]

Anyone know where to find an avatar that can hold a microphone? like an interviewer

[still lark]

Like, IRL?

[desert stratus]

IRL

[still lark]

Technically any avatar can hold a microphone

[upper chasm]

🤔

[mental shuttle]

I know

[upper chasm]

I hope these work

[mental shuttle]

but wonder if anyone know of a public one uploaded in VRC

[desert stratus]

and it's not tooo hard to add a microphone to an existing avatar if you have any laying around, else there's prob an avatar world out there but i wouldnt know about it

[opaque hawk]

I don’t know any they have that built in but I’ve made avatars that do that

[still lark]

There's a narrower question

[vestal sleet]

Just hold xamera5

📷

[mental shuttle]

I wouldnt wanna upload another avatar just for that, way too much work orz

[still lark]

Lol

[mental shuttle]

Ideally I'd do that, maybe the future. I want one because I wanna interview people and make videos. but maybe I will add one to my existing one and have another version, and not roleplay

now that the poly limit is higher I can actually add stuff

or... I just remembered, there's a way to access stuff with the emotes. but I have no idea how that works

[opaque hawk]

What I did for someone is I had it under two objects, and it required two emotes to activate the mic. That way it was more difficult to accidentally toggle on the mic.

[mental shuttle]

how could you do it accidentally? are you talking about hand gestures? Im talking about the emote animations you can trigger via the menu

[opaque hawk]

I am talking about hand gestures

[mental shuttle]

ok

[ruby burrow]

Mhmm. Combo gestures are super easy. Something that anyone can do, provided you know how to enable or disable an item.

Just set up your avatar something like...
Wrist Bone > Empty Object > Microphone.
Have both disabled by default. And in two separate gesture animations, have one gesture enable the empty object, and the other enable the microphone.

That way, even if you do the microphone gesture it won't appear unless you also do the one to enable that extra empty object.

[languid beacon]

Profile pictures as used on discord are also considered avatars. They are digital representations of you. Even if it’s not a picture of you.

Same idea

[indigo fern]

[cold talon]

🤔

[languid beacon]

No matter how hard I try I can’t seem to think of a way to kludge in asymmetrical gestures (left/right aware)

[faint skiff]

I kinda hoped you could do it so that they only work on one hand but that doesn't seem to be the case

[languid beacon]

You can make a gesture that only works when BOTH of your hands are a specific gesture (ex: double rockout) would that help?

[opaque hawk]

well you could potentially mix gestures in meaningful ways because the right hand gestures vales always overwrite the left. Its how I prevent doubling up on blinks and winks and other eye related animations

[languid beacon]

Right hand does not override left unless you make it do that. Default behavior is both gestures will play

[opaque hawk]

yeah, you have matching stuff on both gestures

[languid beacon]

It guess I’m confused; so you just all the shape keys you aren’t using to 0?

Because that just made stuff flicker for me

[opaque hawk]

I am

[languid beacon]

Guess I should try again. I never noticed left/right asymmetry

I just saw fighting

[opaque hawk]

If it helps I have my gesture values the exact same on frame 0 and 1

[languid beacon]

I really need a way to disable the default blink when manually closing eyes

[faint skiff]

@languid beacon Not really, I was hoping for just one because I keep pulling faces by accident as my thumb rests on the movement pad

[languid beacon]

I like making “open hand” be eyes closed since it happens when steam overlay / oculus dash is open your avatar closes its eyes like you can’t see the world at the moment. But the default blink animates overtop and deforms the mesh

[faint skiff]

ack

Anyone have any recommendations on dynamic bone values for hair? I can't find any combination I like

[umbral reef]

Kinda depends how badly/good weight painted it is

[opaque hawk]

Adeon I personally don't use the cats blink for that very reason.

[languid beacon]

I don’t use cats blink I use the vrchat system blink

It’s automatic I think it’s like the first 4 shape keys of the body mesh

I like it because it works in tandem with eye tracking (blinking on eye movement)

[vestal sleet]

Tbh what is eye tracking

Other team I always hear is neck fix

[ruby burrow]

The thing about the right hand over riding the left is only partially accurate by the way.
It actually depends on the order of the armature in the hierarchy. Sometimes the left hand can be dominant instead. Depends on the avatar.

[opaque hawk]

Oh I see, that makes sense

[ruby burrow]

@languid beacon That's actually the same thing. All CATS blink tool does is generate those shape keys.

[languid beacon]

Eye tracking is having your avatar’s eyes look automatically look the nearest person, also adds random jitter to look a little alive. It happens automatically if you have everything named correctly

Cats kind of ruins it by splitting weights between eyes and unmoving eyes but if you have sphere type eyes the eye tracking is perfect when 100% weighted

[ruby burrow]

@vestal sleet The "neck fix" term is based on how the games IK gets weird when you lay down in fullbody, often pushing your viewpoint down and away from your eyes.
The fix is less of a true fix, and more of a slight work around to help reduce the effect of it. If you don't have full body you don't need it.

[languid beacon]

Neck fix can fix the non-fullbody weirdness where your head kind of looks like it’s gyrometrically stabilized

[ruby burrow]

Hmm. I think I see what you mean there Adeon. CATS generates two new bones right?

[vestal sleet]

Oh I am getting an avatar but I don't know like half the term I just tell people what other people's said.

[languid beacon]

Yeah cats generates a set of dummy eye bones that don’t animate and splits weights depending on your slider. This is a way of sort of reducing the rotation influence for MmD style eyes

But for sphere eyes it should not be used

[ruby burrow]

Ah ok.

A cyclops eye is a weird middle ground I guess. ^ ^;

[languid beacon]

Is your eye spherical?

[ruby burrow]

Not perfectly.

[languid beacon]

But can you rotate the whole eye mesh and it looks reasonably correct

[ruby burrow]

The weights are designed to move the iris/cornea across a surface that doesn't move.

[languid beacon]

Ah ok that’s mmd style

Typically those types of eyes can’t use the direct lookat angle because it’ll rotate into the head

Cats weight split helps reduce the influence to bring it within a the desired range

But the raw value just straight up points the eye bones at the target

[upbeat elm]

Hi

[faint skiff]

I wonder where Qhala went.

[upbeat elm]

Who is that?

I'm new to this I just got VRChat today

[languid beacon]

Welcome to vrchat

[upbeat elm]

Thx

[inner cape]

@faint skiff they usually dont chat here at this time

I think

[faint skiff]

I think I got my timing wrong. They said they'd jump in in an hour but it's been two hours, whoops.

[inner cape]

kek

[snow wadi]

@faint skiff I ish here

A quest in warframe took longer than expected

[inner cape]

I was wrong

[snow wadi]

o.o

[faint skiff]

Ah

[snow wadi]

@faint skiff You popping in or >_>;

Unless it's late

[faint skiff]

Yes

1 sec, I will have to jump out briefly in a bit but then I'll be back in too.

Unfortunately I will be mostly mute due to trying not to disturb my father atm too, so sorry about that

[snow wadi]

k

[soft sun]

is anyone else seeing error messages where peoples characters should be?

[inner cape]

you might need to clear your cache

[magic vessel]

How much RAM does VRChat usually use in VR for yall?

[umbral reef]

Loads is the only answer

[inner cape]

it leaks so as much as you have xd

[opaque hawk]

Most

[oak dome]

yall some CUites

[meager solstice]

I haven’t had any ram issues in a while

I would say recommendation for any game is starting to be 16gb @magic vessel

[magic vessel]

Yeah, I've been looking forward to update since I only have 8gb, and I have lot of issues with it.

[meager solstice]

8gb is starting to be the minimum

[indigo fern]

when i had 8gb in vrc, my steamvr would often just go black and i'd have to restart it

[upper chasm]

How do i access mail

[vestal pier]

very carefully

[snow wadi]

@faint skiff Thank you for taking the time to hang out with me! ❤

[astral tangle]

Do any of y'all know where I can join a VRchat on a computer?

[ruby needle]

get it either on steam or oculus home

[astral tangle]

ok. thx

[upper chasm]

Night

[real shell]

is there any way to get vrchat on mac?

[opaque hawk]

Without bootcamp, not anymore

[real shell]

aw darn

[opaque hawk]

Let me double check

[real shell]

okayy

[ruby needle]

VRChat is only published for windows or the oculus quest
So you need to install bootcamp and dual boot windows if you want to install it

[real shell]

Alright

[opaque hawk]

It used to work with GeForce now, but that stoped working awhile ago

[real shell]

I used to play it on there but now it doesn't work

[ruby needle]

which isnt "getting it on a mac"

cus its a game streaming service running the game on a remote windows machine/vm

[boreal steeple]

if anyone wants to join im watching the conjuring in a public world

[real shell]

i guess it does work on geforce now actually but you have to install it every time you play

[final zodiac]

I used GeForce NOW for a year, they disabled non-supported games in the beginning of April

Including VRchat

People were requesting it every day and they never listened

So I just bought a computer in June

[real shell]

im on vrchat on geforce now right now

[final zodiac]

What the fuck they finally added it?

[vocal shard]

how do i get on the vrchat beta

[real shell]

its like

its there but you have to download it every time you exit

[final zodiac]

But yeah you'd need to reinstall every time and settings don't save such as height and disabling cloning

And max 4 hours in one sessio

[real shell]

yeah

[final zodiac]

And if you afk for 5 min you get booted

[ruby needle]

Streaming Service, and a beta (demo)

[final zodiac]

Doesn't matter xd the point is being able to play it

[ruby needle]

isnt windows with bootcamp a finger snap anyway?

[final zodiac]

No

It's much worse

[opaque hawk]

Oh snap. That means I can join the community dev meetup on Sundays without having to haul it across town immediately after church

[final zodiac]

The bootcamp or VM still pulls its power from the machine itself which isn't a lot

Much less than a Windows that the GeForce Now streaming serviceis run on

[ruby needle]

not a VM

[final zodiac]

*Bootcamp OR a vM

[ruby needle]

Dual booting which boot camp does

[final zodiac]

Point remains; the power is based on the mac all in all

[opaque hawk]

Bootcamp kind of sucks. It’s ruins your Mac battery too.

[final zodiac]

Yeah

[ruby needle]

well. it all depends on your config but typically... yes

it'll suck indeed

[ruby burrow]

These kinds of conversations always sound a bit like asking...

"Can I fly to France in a car?"
"Only if you attach a helicopter to it."

[final zodiac]

Hahaha

[slate verge]

do you guys have that? when you open worlds and avatar menus, you hear a sound being spammed

heard it since i played it, but never know what it was

[pseudo basalt]

The menu sound..?

[steep turret]

anyone else stuck at 0.00% loading? all i wanna do is test a model and, eugh...this game

[desert stratus]

menu sound. dont worry, its getting removed next update

[faint skiff]

@snow wadi It was a pleasure 😃

[slate verge]

@desert stratus yay <3

[desert stratus]

ikr

[slate verge]

its annoying as heck, its as though something is spamming while you're navigating or searching

[desert stratus]

i swear that thing is engineered to be a fatigue-causing sound

like i dont think it's a constant repeating tick maybe 0.15sec long

im pretty sure it's a varied loop, with a much longer delay that i cant put my finger on

with just enough breaks in rhythm that it starts to screw with your head

fuck that noise.

[rough pulsar]

One of the top three volume sliders controls that menu noise

[desert stratus]

ye im aware, lowered that stuffz to near zero

[rough pulsar]

And another controls the awful loading screen elevator music.

[rancid vessel]

So.. is Desyncing a bug with VRChat or is it normal to happen with low FPS?

[desert stratus]

you mean the fortnite elevator music? yeah, i hope one of these days we'll be able to just go in and change the loading tunes

[rough pulsar]

The old loading screen was better in almost every way. Still sad they got rid of it.

[opaque hawk]

It doesn’t even loop seamlessly

[fossil root]

just make it an MP3 in the game files, so we can put what we want.

I know firsthand that it's not hard to get Unity to play an external audio file, especially if the path is static

[rigid crescent]

i wonder why they got rid of it, it was nice

[short oxide]

why is vr chat stuck @ 100?

[tranquil cobalt]

I always wondered if the removal of the old loading track was bcs it sounded weirdly similar to a Brian Eno track + they wanted to dodge any potential issues

[echo hearth]

hi

[queen mango]

@vocal shard There's #shameless-self-promotion

[vocal shard]

I just realized that some of the avatars I got are not from a world

[vestal sleet]

Alright I need to play with knee pad

One more thing I need to put on before I can hop on vrc 😖

[vocal shard]

Does anyone in here work or study in the legal field? I have questions

[fringe sentinel]

https://reddit.com/r/legaladvice/

[zealous arch]

@zealous arch

[wise perch]

....

oi, <@&397642795457970181>.... she's back.

[queen mango]

What's this about?

[wise perch]

Natsuki. the underager from a couple days ago.

[queen mango]

This could be a different-

[zealous arch]

It is

[wise perch]

nope. I'm 200% sure.

[queen mango]

Just to confirm, what is your age?

[zealous arch]

SCP
Secure. Contain. Protect

[queen mango]

Please answer my question.

[wise perch]

so.... since they confirmed they were the same one.... is that enough for proof....?

[queen mango]

Not sure. Still have to confirm age first.

[wise perch]

okie.

[queen mango]

@MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEP#4534 To confirm, what is your age here? Things won't be clear until you give an answer.

Oh..

[wise perch]

@zealous arch

....????

[queen mango]

Oops?

[wise perch]

came in and left?

[queen mango]

Yes

[wise perch]

gotcha.

[lunar wraith]

Hi

Are there any vc's?

[umbral reef]

Within this discord? Nope

[vocal shard]

Wait whats going on that age is important

[strong hill]

Any Animators/ Avatar Creators here?!

If so @ me

[true sky]

just ask in #animation or #avatars-2-general if you want a quicker response

[hollow comet]

why is it that after being online for a bit my profile get booted offline my personal and favorite avatars list disappear and social stops updateing

[faint skiff]

Probably because you're having trouble accessing some part of the VRC network.

If you check the user-support channel, loads of people are having connections issues to varying degrees.

[hollow comet]

the only way to fix it is to restart the game which make me re enter my login info but it all just ends up happening again