#vrchat-general-2 | VRChat | Page 846

faint skiff Jul 7, 2019, 3:12 PM

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@vocal shard Do those settings (VRHigh, VRLow, DesktopLow) change the VR visuals, or just the mirrored display?

rough pulsar Jul 7, 2019, 3:12 PM

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Everything

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VRLow makes LODs pop in and out way closer than is reasonable, some objects you literally have to be on top of to get them to show LOD0

faint skiff Jul 7, 2019, 3:14 PM

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Whoops. That would explain why everything looked so terrible lately. I thought these settings were only for the mirror display quality. Better change that back. Does the resolution have any affect as well then?

rough pulsar Jul 7, 2019, 3:15 PM

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Not much, as far as I know (as I said earlier) the desktop mirror is just a pixel-for-pixel copy of one of the VR eyes and shouldn't incur any significant extra computational cost

covert blade Jul 7, 2019, 3:15 PM

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Is it normal that the option "Allow avatar cloning" still allows cloning of public avatars even when the option is disabled?

rough pulsar Jul 7, 2019, 3:16 PM

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Some have reported that the desktop window size does have an effect on perf

faint skiff Jul 7, 2019, 3:16 PM

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@covert blade I had that issue. You need to cycle the option as it's broken sometimes.

covert blade Jul 7, 2019, 3:16 PM

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So like, tick and untick it a few times?

faint skiff Jul 7, 2019, 3:16 PM

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@rough pulsar But the resolution chosen here doesn't affect the visual quality of VR?

covert blade Jul 7, 2019, 3:16 PM

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Because I disabled it and then people still cloned my avatar

faint skiff Jul 7, 2019, 3:17 PM

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@covert blade Just once, otherwise it's likely to "desync" again

covert blade Jul 7, 2019, 3:17 PM

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So I enable it, then disable it and I should be good, right? Ok

faint skiff Jul 7, 2019, 3:17 PM

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Yup, I'd get someone to confirm by trying though

covert blade Jul 7, 2019, 3:17 PM

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Ok thx

rough pulsar Jul 7, 2019, 3:17 PM

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@faint skiff No, VR resolution is controlled in an entirely different way

faint skiff Jul 7, 2019, 3:18 PM

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@rough pulsar Ok thanks

faint skiff Jul 7, 2019, 3:33 PM

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Hah. Looks like you can modify the registry to force a lower resolution

vocal shard Jul 7, 2019, 3:33 PM

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why oculus store version broke? https://streamable.com/etohh

faint skiff Jul 7, 2019, 3:34 PM

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VRChat now runs at 320x200 😛

opaque hawk Jul 7, 2019, 3:37 PM

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One time I played in windowed mode and made it like 50x1920

vestal sleet Jul 7, 2019, 3:38 PM

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I use stream camera to dance with so I have to keep the resolution high :c I wish I have a better gpu than a 1060

faint skiff Jul 7, 2019, 3:39 PM

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What is "Stream camera?" I've seen it mentioned a few times

vestal sleet Jul 7, 2019, 3:39 PM

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It just a camera

opaque hawk Jul 7, 2019, 3:40 PM

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In vr mode you can spawn a camera that looks like the picture camera, but instead of taking pictures it takes over the duplicate display

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Great for video capture

faint skiff Jul 7, 2019, 3:42 PM

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Ahh

languid beacon Jul 7, 2019, 5:16 PM

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@faint skiff I manually size the window corners with the mouse. Before I put the headset on

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It remembers and will stay that way for every new launch (assuming the game doesn’t crash then exit size isn’t saved)

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You can get it pretty tiny

faint skiff Jul 7, 2019, 5:17 PM

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I'm worldbuilding at the moment so I need it sized normally between tests. It's fine though, I've created a registry file that overrides the window size back to tiny so I can run that when I need it tiny again.

languid beacon Jul 7, 2019, 5:46 PM

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How do you guys think a gtx 970 would run an index? Friend is telling me it’s not worth getting unless I upgrade my GPU

faint skiff Jul 7, 2019, 5:48 PM

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Badly - It's the minimum spec for the original Vive

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And even then I find my 980Ti often inadequate

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The Index has slightly higher requirements for the same games due to the higher res. Then ideally you'll want more than the bare minimum for supersampling anyway,

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(sorry to be the bearer or bad news - I'm in the same boat and will likely be upgrading before my Index arrives too)

vestal sleet Jul 7, 2019, 5:55 PM

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970 wouldn't run a index at all

faint skiff Jul 7, 2019, 5:55 PM

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It would, the Index isn't that much higher res than the original Vive, but you'd be limited in what you could play.

covert linden Jul 7, 2019, 5:58 PM

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Its the fov that makes it a big deal

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But you should definately get a new gpu imo

faint skiff Jul 7, 2019, 6:00 PM

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The FOV doesn't change from the Vive to the Index, at least not as far as rendering is concerned. It's a physical change wherein the design of the index allows you to see more of the screen(s) and thus increases the FoV.

vestal sleet Jul 7, 2019, 6:00 PM

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The index is alot higher Rez then the vive

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A 970 wouldn't even run wmr ngl

covert linden Jul 7, 2019, 6:01 PM

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They run an oculus on their 970 @vestal sleet

vestal sleet Jul 7, 2019, 6:01 PM

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Not to mention the index can run at 144h and you miss a entire selling point

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Right and oculus is alot lower rez than wmr

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Wmr run at 1440p and you looking at a 1070 ish

covert linden Jul 7, 2019, 6:02 PM

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I run the wmr on a 1050.. wouldnt reccomend. 40fps avg

vestal sleet Jul 7, 2019, 6:02 PM

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Well I mean running and playing is different right

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You can 'run' but would u be able to 'play ' and enjoy no not really

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R u running on default sample or under sample @covert linden

covert linden Jul 7, 2019, 6:04 PM

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Default, but when I do change it, it doesnt change my fpz at all

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But I got a new vr ready system the other day

vestal sleet Jul 7, 2019, 6:06 PM

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Oh

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Honestly 1070 is recommend on wmr

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A 2070ti is recommend for index lol

covert linden Jul 7, 2019, 6:07 PM

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Going from 8gb ram, i7 8750h, 1050, to a 2600, 16gb ram, and a 1660ti

vestal sleet Jul 7, 2019, 6:07 PM

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Oh I am not sure 2600 is better tho

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VRChat eat cpu

covert linden Jul 7, 2019, 6:08 PM

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It is better

vestal sleet Jul 7, 2019, 6:08 PM

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And is not nice to amd

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Vr system in general is not nice to AMD

covert linden Jul 7, 2019, 6:08 PM

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Its not a system for vrchat

vestal sleet Jul 7, 2019, 6:08 PM

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Ya I guess

covert linden Jul 7, 2019, 6:08 PM

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Its a workstation pc.

vestal sleet Jul 7, 2019, 6:09 PM

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But VR is all one need matsix

covert linden Jul 7, 2019, 6:09 PM

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Nah

faint skiff Jul 7, 2019, 6:11 PM

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@vestal sleet Almost no GPUs can run the Index at 144 unless it's something super simple like Space Pirate Trainer

vestal sleet Jul 7, 2019, 6:12 PM

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Not on VRchat but simple like beat Saber ya

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People say that the 144hz rly matter in fast paced beat Saber game

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Although always remember SLI is a thing if u r rich...

umbral reef Jul 7, 2019, 6:14 PM

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Nothing runs VRchat good so lmao

languid beacon Jul 7, 2019, 6:27 PM

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The FoV is increased on index. More of the world is being rendered at once. That means less things are cullled

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Compared to rift anyway I don’t know about vive

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Thanks for the input. I think a 1k headset and a gpu upgrade is out of what’s possible for me

faint skiff Jul 7, 2019, 6:37 PM

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@languid beacon What I said before about the FoV applies if you're transitioning from the Vive to the Index. AFAIK going from Rift to Index would mean that more has to be rendered.

atomic loom Jul 7, 2019, 7:42 PM

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bruh

harsh cove Jul 7, 2019, 8:38 PM

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I'm trying to make vrchat run on my pc at at least 10 fps
but like, best I can do with DesktopLow and 320x200 is 3 fps lol
Can anyone help me?
CPU: i7 2630QM
GPU: Radeon HD 6700m 2gb
It should run decent but for some reasons is getting no more than 3 fps

faint skiff Jul 7, 2019, 8:42 PM

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That CPU is passable but that GPU is ancient and may be missing features that VRChat needs (and slows it to a crawl without them).

harsh cove Jul 7, 2019, 8:42 PM

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one of my friend is doing 15 fps without dedicated gpu

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I refuse to believe an intel integrated (not even a new one) is more powerful than my gpu

faint skiff Jul 7, 2019, 8:49 PM

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Do you remember which Intel integrated card it was?

harsh cove Jul 7, 2019, 9:02 PM

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No, but it doesn't really matter

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Few years old integrated INTEL gpu shouldn't be more powerful than a 2012 dedicated gpu

faint skiff Jul 7, 2019, 9:03 PM

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Oh they can be. I've got a NUC which easily outclasses that GPU

languid beacon Jul 7, 2019, 9:04 PM

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Yeah nothing strange about a computer having a faster cpu than gpu. Typically not game-focused machines

harsh cove Jul 7, 2019, 9:05 PM

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A nuc is not a low end laptop from few years ago

faint skiff Jul 7, 2019, 9:05 PM

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Also 6700M is still a mobile GPU so it would be lower power anyway

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NUCs typically have almost the same hardware as laptops, so close enough

harsh cove Jul 7, 2019, 9:05 PM

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Omg

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Wait

faint skiff Jul 7, 2019, 9:06 PM

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For comparison, he's a lower end Intel GPU than the one I was referring to, compared to a higher end version of the GPU you were talking about - https://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel--Iris-Plus-650-Mobile-Kaby-Lake-vs-AMD-Radeon--HD-6770M/m367939vsm7746

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(comparing a 650 to a 6770M as opposed to a 655 to a 6700M) and even then the Intel iGPU wipes the floor with it.

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Nearly 80% faster. If you compared the right cards, I'd expect it to be well over 100% faster.

harsh cove Jul 7, 2019, 9:09 PM

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Hold on a sec

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Could it be running on the integrated gpu instead of the dedicated one?

faint skiff Jul 7, 2019, 9:19 PM

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Yes

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That's something of a common issue. Open the control panel for the graphics card and set it to use the dedicated GPU. AFAIK that GPU only has legacy driver support now though (another reason why performance would suck) so not sure how easy it is to do that. Also that only applies if the laptop has "switchable" graphics.

vestal sleet Jul 7, 2019, 9:29 PM

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wait r u playing desktop or vr

harsh cove Jul 7, 2019, 9:29 PM

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Of course desktop

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I set everything to performance, found the exe of vrchat, set it to performance, everything else to performance, still getting 3 fps at 320×200

vestal sleet Jul 7, 2019, 9:30 PM

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what fps u get by disabling everything

harsh cove Jul 7, 2019, 9:31 PM

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Disabling what?

vocal shard Jul 7, 2019, 9:32 PM

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;lc

harsh cove Jul 7, 2019, 9:32 PM

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I get 3 fps at desktop low, res 320×200 everything else closed expect hwmonitor to make sure my pc doesn't melt

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Windowed mode too
3 fps
I reduce it to something like something × 100 pixels and I get 6 fps
That seems too strange to me

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Maybe something wrong with the driver?

uncut fog Jul 7, 2019, 9:35 PM

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Anyone else get timed out every time they try to join in?

vocal shard Jul 7, 2019, 9:52 PM

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brothers we must rise

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our beans have been taken away

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we must earn them back

cold talon Jul 7, 2019, 10:30 PM

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But its more confy to not rise

inner cape Jul 7, 2019, 10:31 PM

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um

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baka, what have you become?

near saffron Jul 7, 2019, 10:37 PM

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A gamer clearly

vocal shard Jul 7, 2019, 10:50 PM

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yes a true gamer

small wing Jul 7, 2019, 10:51 PM

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Bean's dont rise, they get revenge and make an entire movie about killing eachother

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Killer Bean was a good movie, change my mind.

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Also yall are using the VRChat discussion for non vrchat things reeeeeee

vocal shard Jul 7, 2019, 10:54 PM

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who says beans and vr chat aren't the same thing

small wing Jul 7, 2019, 10:55 PM

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👀

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boi did u just

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put a space

vocal shard Jul 7, 2019, 10:56 PM

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yes i did

small wing Jul 7, 2019, 10:56 PM

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in vrchat

vocal shard Jul 7, 2019, 10:56 PM

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i admit my sins

small wing Jul 7, 2019, 10:56 PM

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this man is not a true gamer

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he puts a space in VRChat

vocal shard Jul 7, 2019, 10:56 PM

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i play vrchat and roblox at the same time

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i am the truest gamer

small wing Jul 7, 2019, 10:57 PM

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oh yeah? well i play VRChat on a roblox server rp so take that one buddy. 😩 👏

vocal shard Jul 7, 2019, 10:58 PM

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brother where have you been '

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i need someone of your power to show me their ways

small wing Jul 7, 2019, 10:59 PM

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I play runescape in vrchat

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totally serious

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it's actually really easy

vocal shard Jul 7, 2019, 10:59 PM

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lemme join you my guy

small wing Jul 7, 2019, 10:59 PM

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And now i can no longer play runescape without being in vrc

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cause its too bland

vocal shard Jul 7, 2019, 11:00 PM

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is that a no or a yes

small wing Jul 7, 2019, 11:00 PM

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in runescape?

vocal shard Jul 7, 2019, 11:00 PM

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yeah im bored

small wing Jul 7, 2019, 11:01 PM

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I would totally do that, but my account got reset so it's at base level and I also have Unity open right now working on some updates to my map.

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Messing with mirror's trying to find ways to exploit dem reflections.

vocal shard Jul 7, 2019, 11:02 PM

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epic

small wing Jul 7, 2019, 11:02 PM

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trying to figure out a way to use it to achieve some more natural ways to reflect stuff other than just being a mirror to look at yourself in

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like water reflections or a bumpy metallic floor

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So far it's working with only a little bit of problems

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if you are bored then you can check it out in "The Box RTX"

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its a public world

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it has a few more things in there too like a music visualiser and an avatar that pulls the music visuals with a custom shader.

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oh and a spherical mirror cause heck ye

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reflection probes are fun

runic geode Jul 7, 2019, 11:10 PM

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Yo, interesting info you just dropped @small wing

blissful jackal Jul 7, 2019, 11:11 PM

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my favorite part about vrc is all the mutual friends i have on discord

small wing Jul 7, 2019, 11:12 PM

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@runic geode Thanks man, I plan on putting out the asset's soon enough when they are finished.

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Still trying to figure out how to work around the mirror's though

inner cape Jul 7, 2019, 11:12 PM

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VR Chat

small wing Jul 7, 2019, 11:13 PM

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Heathen.

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How dare you.

blissful jackal Jul 7, 2019, 11:13 PM

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ugh im so tired

small wing Jul 7, 2019, 11:13 PM

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(╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻

floral flaxBOT Jul 7, 2019, 11:13 PM

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┬──┬ ノ( ゜-゜ノ) There you go

inner cape Jul 7, 2019, 11:13 PM

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Ha!

small wing Jul 7, 2019, 11:13 PM

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VRCBot is covering my ass so i don't leave any evidence. 😏

inner cape Jul 7, 2019, 11:14 PM

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VRC Bot

small wing Jul 7, 2019, 11:14 PM

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V R C HAT

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oops

inner cape Jul 7, 2019, 11:14 PM

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if you cant beat them, join them

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welcome to the space bar gang

small wing Jul 7, 2019, 11:15 PM

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awh hell nah, you said gang so now im out.

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gangs are for losers

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out here we got club's cause we are cool kids

inner cape Jul 7, 2019, 11:15 PM

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did I say gang? sorry i meant afterschool club

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🗿

small wing Jul 7, 2019, 11:16 PM

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man the only thing i ever wanted to do after school was go home and lock myself in solitary confinement for the rest of the day.

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going to make a world with 10,000 mirror's in it and still hit 90 fps, wish me luck.

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totally serious btw, wish me luck cause i need it

inner cape Jul 7, 2019, 11:18 PM

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chernobyl sarcophagus is pretty confined I heard

umbral reef Jul 7, 2019, 11:18 PM

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Maybe learn how mirrors get rendered first

small wing Jul 7, 2019, 11:18 PM

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Already did

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Now it's on to the shaders.

inner cape Jul 7, 2019, 11:18 PM

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my game became unplayable after having 9 mirrors I dont think you're gonna succeed

small wing Jul 7, 2019, 11:19 PM

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😏 what if i told you there is a sneaky way of doing it

vocal shard Jul 7, 2019, 11:19 PM

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I feel like making a New Runescape World on VRChat.

small wing Jul 7, 2019, 11:19 PM

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F

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that is going to be a lot of ripping

vocal shard Jul 7, 2019, 11:19 PM

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I found out how to make Optimized Runescape Avatars with only 1 Material

inner cape Jul 7, 2019, 11:20 PM

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bruh

umbral reef Jul 7, 2019, 11:20 PM

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Its legit pressing a single button with Catsplugin

vocal shard Jul 7, 2019, 11:20 PM

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Make a RGB Color Pallete and then add noise and bevel texture

small wing Jul 7, 2019, 11:20 PM

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runescape asset's are so well encrypted its insane

inner cape Jul 7, 2019, 11:20 PM

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you can do that with any model technically

vocal shard Jul 7, 2019, 11:20 PM

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that's all you need for manual only

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I have RS3 Textures but you can't put them on.

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I have RS Classic to RS3

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Over 500k files

umbral reef Jul 7, 2019, 11:21 PM

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Also should not talk about ripping stuff in this serber

small wing Jul 7, 2019, 11:21 PM

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@umbral reef Going to send you pictures if i get it working

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I think its possible with how i have it in mind

vocal shard Jul 7, 2019, 11:21 PM

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Ye ripping is illegal.

umbral reef Jul 7, 2019, 11:21 PM

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Id love to see a way to get it done.

vocal shard Jul 7, 2019, 11:21 PM

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I have 20 years of files

small wing Jul 7, 2019, 11:21 PM

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its going to be a very cheeky work around

umbral reef Jul 7, 2019, 11:21 PM

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I know there are some janky ways to optimize mirrors already but unsure how a mirror v mirror would work

vocal shard Jul 7, 2019, 11:22 PM

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Also I already converted and organized most files of RS

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I labeled them in section numbers

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1 to 110k

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Along with the Older Versions which follow a different number system.

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RS3 is a hard one to define as it holds two types of Graphic Models || It holds NXT RS and Legacy RS models; NXT RS cannot be extracted

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Legacy RS = Can be grabbed

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I even labeled them of their types || So there are 8 types of RS Models

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your in the box right

small wing Jul 7, 2019, 11:38 PM

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Nah man i'm in Unity rn making a shader

vocal shard Jul 7, 2019, 11:51 PM

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https://i.ibb.co/PZByBMV/150items.png

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This is what 150 items look like.

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I found a QUICKER way to make RS worlds now it'll make my workflow cleaner, efficient, and the pacing will cut the hours by half.

mental fossil Jul 7, 2019, 11:58 PM

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does anyone know a place to get a broccoli skin?

small wing Jul 8, 2019, 12:04 AM

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Sketchfab for sure

vocal shard Jul 8, 2019, 12:20 AM

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Could anyone dm me how to use the TVs in vrchat. It says use an URL and I do but it still doesnt play anything

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the player might be broken

small wing Jul 8, 2019, 12:33 AM

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guys i did it https://gyazo.com/783efd6b744dbd61c0f04dc6f20dfb71

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Frick you bot all i said was aaa.

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"90 fps aaa"

ruby needle Jul 8, 2019, 12:33 AM

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well good luck geting that within the game tho 😃

small wing Jul 8, 2019, 12:34 AM

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It's already in, When i say 90 fps i mean in VR

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not the unity editor 😏

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I had to be really sneaky too getting it to run that well

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It's been a concept I have been working on for the past week

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Now all there is to do is scale it down because i made so many mirrors that its causing float errors haha

inner cape Jul 8, 2019, 12:38 AM

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inb4 thats just a reflective shader and not a vrc prefab mirror

small wing Jul 8, 2019, 12:39 AM

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See for yourself

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its in community labs

tacit plank Jul 8, 2019, 12:42 AM

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You could have used one mirror and then a tiled ground texture I think

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But if you made a mirror which doesn't run like ass, I'm sure that the VRChat team and every world builder is interested!

short wave Jul 8, 2019, 1:28 AM

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nobody is active on the avatar rigging i would like to know how to add a chest bone and the shoulders please , its 3 am i tried to make a model and now i have this prob ;-;

vocal shard Jul 8, 2019, 1:28 AM

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You’ll have to wait for someone to respond

short wave Jul 8, 2019, 1:28 AM

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. ok

small wing Jul 8, 2019, 1:31 AM

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@tacit plank VRChat themselves probably know how i did it already, they are really smart.

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But once this is finished I actually want to put it out for the community to use.

tacit plank Jul 8, 2019, 1:35 AM

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If VRChat devs are smart, then I'll also claim that they're busy, because the quality of some things are questionable

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I love this game and the devs though. And that's good to hear!

still lark Jul 8, 2019, 1:36 AM

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You can't have a mirror that doesn't run like ass

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that's not how it works!

tacit plank Jul 8, 2019, 1:39 AM

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It can run better, but there's a limit to how fast it can be

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But for example, the VRChat camera is way faster than a mirror, but seems to do the same

still lark Jul 8, 2019, 1:40 AM

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Not at all

small wing Jul 8, 2019, 1:42 AM

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All i can say for now is that there is some really cheeky stuff that I am doing

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At the end of the day though, even 1 mirror is bad.

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To re-iterate on what Scruffy said, I can vouch for the mirror's using a camera itself so there is nothing different there.

tranquil cobalt Jul 8, 2019, 1:48 AM

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What do you mean all you can say for now? Ya acting like there's an NDA 🤔

small wing Jul 8, 2019, 1:48 AM

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They only use the camera wall in the hub because it allow's them more control to adjust clipping distance and other stuff without re writing a script.

tranquil cobalt Jul 8, 2019, 1:48 AM

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You could just share your findings / show off exactly what you're trying to do if you found some new interesting quirk that might be useful to other creators so the ecosystem of content can get better!

small wing Jul 8, 2019, 1:48 AM

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Not when it's in beta testing.

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I'm not releasing a prefab until I am happy with it.

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Also scroll up, Already said i would share once it's done.

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😏

tranquil cobalt Jul 8, 2019, 1:50 AM

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Fair enough!

small wing Jul 8, 2019, 1:50 AM

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There is more than just that which I am adding to the mirror's. I won't release it until I have everything in there that I wanna get.

still lark Jul 8, 2019, 1:51 AM

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I didn't say it was the same! (And it's not!)

small wing Jul 8, 2019, 1:51 AM

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The idea here is to eventually have it set up so people can make any effect they want that involves the reflections a mirror gives.

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Reeeeeee I thought you told me it used a camera Scruffy!!!

still lark Jul 8, 2019, 1:51 AM

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It does

small wing Jul 8, 2019, 1:51 AM

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y u do dis

still lark Jul 8, 2019, 1:51 AM

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It's just not the same as a normal camera.

tranquil cobalt Jul 8, 2019, 1:52 AM

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Is it that the mirror is on one mesh, but they're split up so it looks like multiple mirrors?

vestal pier Jul 8, 2019, 1:52 AM

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bruh its just a mirror with a cutout texture

small wing Jul 8, 2019, 1:52 AM

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Yeah sorta

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There u go Asis said it

vestal pier Jul 8, 2019, 1:52 AM

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i hate to ruin the fun

small wing Jul 8, 2019, 1:52 AM

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I'm not complaining.

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

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But ye I wanna get this pushed out soon with more than just the fake multi mirror stuffs

tranquil cobalt Jul 8, 2019, 1:54 AM

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Yeah, I was thinking that too! Although, it'd probably be more perf-efficient (I mean we're dealing with mirrors anyway at the end of the day) to avoid using any alpha anything and just split the actual mesh up for the prefab. I dunno if that'd break how mirrors work, though

small wing Jul 8, 2019, 1:54 AM

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Trying to add normal maps and possibly some options to turn off bloom in the mirror's cause VRC added that where it support's bloom but some people hate that.

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Going to clamp it and see if it lets me

still lark Jul 8, 2019, 1:54 AM

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Nah, they won't batch KidKwazine.

small wing Jul 8, 2019, 1:55 AM

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Lol i like how i didn't see his name xD

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I was like oh no Scruffy is angry 😮

tranquil cobalt Jul 8, 2019, 1:57 AM

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I mean keep it on the same object, but split it up within it. It'd still be one mesh, but could still be the grid (or whatever they wanted to do). Unless you mean VRC's implementation of mirrors would cause some other misc issues

small wing Jul 8, 2019, 1:57 AM

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It would still break sadly, I have tried.

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Tried it on a sphere too, that get's weird fast.

still lark Jul 8, 2019, 1:57 AM

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Oh you could cut the mesh

tranquil cobalt Jul 8, 2019, 1:57 AM

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Ah damn, I had no clue what would happen but figured it'd be worth a shot vs using cutout

small wing Jul 8, 2019, 1:57 AM

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WAIT WAT

still lark Jul 8, 2019, 1:58 AM

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You just need the right stuff otherwise it goes bonkers.

small wing Jul 8, 2019, 1:58 AM

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😮

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So it is possible then?!?!

tranquil cobalt Jul 8, 2019, 1:59 AM

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I haven't personally tested, but I'd give it a shot! It seems simple enough that surely SOMEONE has tried here

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I imagine you couldn't do something like have multiple parts of the mesh facing each other, and have that work. I dunno much about how VRC does their mirrors, but if it's using a render texture and a single camera then you'll probably be restricted to keeping it on the same planar surface?

small wing Jul 8, 2019, 2:03 AM

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I think it moves the camera around though

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so it has to be flat

tranquil cobalt Jul 8, 2019, 2:06 AM

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Maybe! I'd mess with it and check it out if I was on my PC with Unity, but you def should mess with it or search here and see if someone else has

faint skiff Jul 8, 2019, 2:44 AM

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Crashed out again. May as well end the night there.

faint skiff Jul 8, 2019, 3:04 AM

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Does anyone know what the crash.dmp actually contains?

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Anyway, can't report it now as the ticket system appears to be broke, but if someone could tell whichever is the team member responsible for the site, http://help.vrchat.com/new doesn't work. It just says "test" and there's no form to fill in.

vocal shard Jul 8, 2019, 3:12 AM

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It's been made known ^^

vocal shard Jul 8, 2019, 3:54 AM

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Hi

vocal shard Jul 8, 2019, 4:45 AM

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I have decided to sell my 3D modeling Services for 1 dollar.

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I Need to make 1,000 dollars before August

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It took me 2 weeks to get out of my depression while Strategizing a plan.

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Good luck with that

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I am finally out of it; and my only solution is to sell my service for a dollar.

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I might drop it to 50 cents.

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Uh seek professional help

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I will sell my 3D Avatar service for 50 cents to 5 dollars; I ask you don't give more than 5

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The problem is I do not have a "Call-To-Action" to sell Avatar making

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So I will need to think about the Call-To-Action;

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I doubt you’ll find many customers considering you only make knuckles models

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I don't just make Knuckles

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I make Kermits too

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Oh now that’ll open up a whole new customer base

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Ye.

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I’m being sarcastic

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50 cents is still a good price.

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I just lie to them it will take 5 to 8 hours.. when it will take 30 to 1 and half hours

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That way; I have time to do any tweaking

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Optimized Avatars; 1 Material; maybe a few meshes by my own choice; with special gestures for those meshes; 50 cents is a good price

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so if we do the math..

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How many avatars do I need to make every 50 cents?

desert stratus Jul 8, 2019, 4:55 AM

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dude, sell yourself more

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you shouldn't ever be selling any kind of avatar work for less than like $10

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in fact, i think 5-10 per avatar would be pretty fair

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cup of coffee for meme

tranquil cobalt Jul 8, 2019, 4:57 AM

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Plus, if you have the skillset to make avatars, you could prob find more lucrative work on like Fiverr or something if you're in a rut

vocal shard Jul 8, 2019, 4:58 AM

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We gotta start on the basic line first

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and work our way up. Just like how.. a Business ladder works.

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You can take shortcuts of course, but it is better to go up the ladder

tranquil cobalt Jul 8, 2019, 5:01 AM

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Fiverr is like doing jobs specifically for people who are looking for your services tho, and it's generally like 5-20 dollar jobs iirc so it's not like you're getting a big work contract!

vocal shard Jul 8, 2019, 5:02 AM

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I've looked into it; however I was trying to find some "qualifers" inrl to be the ones to invest into being the people to do that; however, nobody around me is serious enough. Nor can I find an old man to wear a suit in front of a green-screen; fully mic'd, etc.

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I have a bunch of suits if they dont got a suit

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and with the gear I have; we could sell for a decent price of 20 a piece

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3 camera angles; good lighting, good sound.

tranquil cobalt Jul 8, 2019, 5:04 AM

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I don't think it's just for people in suits in front of a green screen. I contracted some voice talent out from Fiverr for a project last year!

vocal shard Jul 8, 2019, 5:04 AM

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I even got a mic too; but I dont have a talented voice

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I like finding people to do the things while I "design" it

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they get 60% of the profit while I only get 40

tranquil cobalt Jul 8, 2019, 5:05 AM

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I'm pretty sure there is 3D stuff on there too, I don't fully remember. I'd check it out more

vocal shard Jul 8, 2019, 5:06 AM

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I told people I know about this 5 months ago that i wanted to do this but I am in need of people willing to go in front of a camera and create samples. I have all of this gear and it's not doing anything; it needs to make money.

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Plus I can Rotoscope too; however, it is not a skill I haven't done in years;

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THose services I will not sell for 1 dollar

desert stratus Jul 8, 2019, 5:08 AM

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@vocal shard if you wanna start on the basic line first, then thats fine. basic line is $5-$10 USD imo. you'd literally be underselling yourself around 7x less than minimum wage

vocal shard Jul 8, 2019, 5:08 AM

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Because that takes a lot of calculation perfection; while 3D modeling is different less effort

desert stratus Jul 8, 2019, 5:09 AM

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on top of that, dont oyu already sculpt and make your own assets? even clothes from scratch is something you should prob be charging $15 per piece for at the very least...

vocal shard Jul 8, 2019, 5:09 AM

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Oh I do that.

tranquil cobalt Jul 8, 2019, 5:09 AM

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Yeah, I would not be charging 1 dollar for roto. I do that occasionally for work, and it makes me want to die 🌞

vocal shard Jul 8, 2019, 5:09 AM

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Roto for 1 dollar is suicide

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Even I wont sell it that low

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Video Production = Never sell for 1 dollar; I just sell anything 3D for less

tranquil cobalt Jul 8, 2019, 5:11 AM

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I don't fully see the logic there because they're both crafts that require time to execute on (and a lot of time to learn)

vocal shard Jul 8, 2019, 5:19 AM

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Anyway I gotta make the Pamphret; and choose my best 3D models I ever made.

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1 the Best knuckles; the best RS one; the best Kermit, the best Pre-made; the best boned flat one; on tier 3D modeling is my lowest skill set but it is my most used one.

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I do it everyday; at a fast pace; optimized and all; but I do not consider it the best skill, it's a hobby skill

desert stratus Jul 8, 2019, 5:25 AM

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how much stuff do you do?? and where is your portfolio(s) 0~0

vocal shard Jul 8, 2019, 5:27 AM

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I am portfolio-less

desert stratus Jul 8, 2019, 5:27 AM

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do oyu atleast have like

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galleries or anything ot show off

feral cloak Jul 8, 2019, 5:27 AM

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hi cuties

vocal shard Jul 8, 2019, 5:27 AM

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I was involved in galleries; and they were only photography

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I do not do photography; and the photograhy I do our self-portraits of myself or Visual Art.

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My Visual Art is my best = But I never sell it because there's no-one who wants to sell big

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"Sell a big idea"

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So I always think less of people for not thinking too outside of the box; mhm

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Anyway; I do not have a Portfolio or any proof that I do things

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I can only state I do things; when I do my own projects

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I need to make sure that everyone has an input however, I learned that people are more "Cinematography" than artistically thinking digitally.

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So in my stand-point I find people to be more about "What is right in front of them" rather imagining what is there.

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My Storyboards and scripts have.. "precise" and "specific" details explainjing how something must be done; what angle; what frame of day, etc, etc. For example; example knowing the type of focal length to match another shot, to make seamless; however if someone doesn't understand, it ruins the entire content.

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And then, I have to stress over how I want to edit everything and do all these effects.

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Also, I have to keep in mind if I want to start to shoot when it is raining; sometimes you got to use the World arond you. The Geography and weather are both a double-edged sword; so.. basically, I would tell people.. "We will go out once it drops snow, that is when we shoot"

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So when I write a script I have to think about the Environment, the Global Environment, what season it is; if it's Fall; I should write something for the Spring/Winter; if it's the summer; write something for the Fall/Winter

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Anyway; I took a lot of shots of things in different environments in the Spring || Snowy Mountains, Oceans, Beaches, Chapparal Weather, Grassy Plains, forests, etc. Shot in many terrains in 3 days

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Because I waited for Snow lol

foggy heart Jul 8, 2019, 5:40 AM

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this is the longest i've seen someone talk about something in general chat
congratulations

vocal shard Jul 8, 2019, 5:41 AM

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I seen longer.

covert linden Jul 8, 2019, 5:41 AM

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the longer being him

vocal shard Jul 8, 2019, 5:41 AM

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Ever talk/type someone for 10 hours straight?

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or even 18 hours? --- It's quite a feat.

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Most I have done was 21

foggy heart Jul 8, 2019, 5:42 AM

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not sure if that's something to be proud of but alright
you keep doing you, keyboard guy

vocal shard Jul 8, 2019, 5:42 AM

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Ye; I type 21 hours but i don't use Voice chat; but.. inrl I could talk for hours if someone kept keeping me talking

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however in a mental state, I do not like speaking on VRChat because 1; my mic isn't on; 2 my voice ain't beefy lol; people love my voice, however, I want more of an aggressive voice than the standard professional western cowboy soft voice that I got

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3; I don't want to use the Computer/Laptop Mic; unless someone is asking for "How do you do this?"

glad maple Jul 8, 2019, 7:14 AM

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I am back

mighty cradle Jul 8, 2019, 7:28 AM

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wee

snow wadi Jul 8, 2019, 7:29 AM

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Funny you mentioned that because I'm actually looking to get new headphones for vr

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The one I have right now looks like it came out of a war trench.

mighty cradle Jul 8, 2019, 7:30 AM

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show us

glad maple Jul 8, 2019, 7:32 AM

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that's kida funny

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Show us now!!!

last ibex Jul 8, 2019, 7:47 AM

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Hi.

glad maple Jul 8, 2019, 8:12 AM

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hi

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just a question

small wing Jul 8, 2019, 8:15 AM

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I didn't do it.

glad maple Jul 8, 2019, 8:15 AM

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what?

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do what

dire palm Jul 8, 2019, 8:18 AM

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I didn't also

hasty anchor Jul 8, 2019, 8:27 AM

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Does anyone here know where to find that cute as hell shiba avi?

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I want one, but apparently you gotta pay to get it which is the last thing I wanna do lol

rigid crescent Jul 8, 2019, 8:31 AM

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then i dont think you can get it 🤷

vocal shard Jul 8, 2019, 9:01 AM

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I already found my ultimate form

faint skiff Jul 8, 2019, 9:14 AM

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Is anyone around for a while that can test performance of a world for me?

ornate finch Jul 8, 2019, 9:16 AM

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i would if i wasn't baking

vocal shard Jul 8, 2019, 9:40 AM

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what world

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ill help if I can

faint skiff Jul 8, 2019, 9:41 AM

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@vocal shard Can you jump into "Wind Greenhaven" and let me know just how badly your GPU struggles?

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Just want to make sure it's not my PC being weird

snow wadi Jul 8, 2019, 9:42 AM

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Did you place some wild particles/shaders in there?

faint skiff Jul 8, 2019, 9:44 AM

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Nope

vocal shard Jul 8, 2019, 9:44 AM

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it doesn't come up

faint skiff Jul 8, 2019, 9:44 AM

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Deleted all the grass, switched from realtime lighting to baked and... the performance tanked, lol.

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@vocal shard https://vrchat.com/home/world/wrld_702c00a8-b5a2-4833-affd-ae2613bd4b8f

snow wadi Jul 8, 2019, 9:44 AM

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Eh...is the grass a prefab?

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I would pop in and check but I'm not home right now.

faint skiff Jul 8, 2019, 9:45 AM

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@snow wadi It was Unity painted grass, but I had to delete it because apparently grass doesn't work with baked lighting in VRChat.

snow wadi Jul 8, 2019, 9:45 AM

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Hmm

faint skiff Jul 8, 2019, 9:45 AM

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(it works with realtime, but you're not supposed to use realtime lighting on landscapes for performance reasons)

snow wadi Jul 8, 2019, 9:45 AM

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Is the grass animated?

faint skiff Jul 8, 2019, 9:46 AM

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By the wind. But keep in mind I've removed the grass, so that shouldn't really be an issue. Performance was fine with the grass and realtime lights, it's bad since removing the grass and switching to baked.

snow wadi Jul 8, 2019, 9:47 AM

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There could be something still being rendered, have you checked the heiarchy and made sure the grass prefab items are actually gone?

umbral reef Jul 8, 2019, 9:48 AM

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Never use real time lights for worlds

faint skiff Jul 8, 2019, 9:48 AM

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Yeah, you "unpaint" them. They don't show up as objects in hierarchy.

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@umbral reef Hence why I changed, but that means loss of grass which sucks. It looked pretty before.

tranquil cobalt Jul 8, 2019, 9:51 AM

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I think I mentioned this to you in #world-development, but you can still use + bake grass if you manually place or paint the cards out as static game objects. Only real difference is that Unity's terrain system isn't managing 'em

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No idea why your perf tanked after you removed grass, though. 🤔 Have you tried profiling in Unity?

faint skiff Jul 8, 2019, 9:52 AM

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Not yet. I didn't notice the issue until I jumped into it in VR at 3am last night / this morning.

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As it seemed fine on desktop.

tranquil cobalt Jul 8, 2019, 9:53 AM

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Maybe some realtime light auto-magically turned back on or you accidentally went back to an older version of your project when Unity kept crashing on you where a realtime light was on.

faint skiff Jul 8, 2019, 9:53 AM

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Realtime is definitely off, you can immediately tell by how the shadows look.

vocal shard Jul 8, 2019, 9:53 AM

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mouse sensitivity

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is not very good

tranquil cobalt Jul 8, 2019, 9:55 AM

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I had some issues with Bakery disabling realtime lights post-bake, but then they sneakily turned themselves back on when I loaded up the project again. It took me WAY too long to figure out what was adding all the frame time

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I bet the profiler would yell it out at ya

faint skiff Jul 8, 2019, 9:57 AM

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I wonder if there's some way of taking the existing painted grass from before and turning it into a mesh or something so that I don't lose the layout of it, because it was pretty well done.

vocal shard Jul 8, 2019, 9:57 AM

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mouse sensitivity

faint skiff Jul 8, 2019, 9:58 AM

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@vocal shard Erm... sorry? Do you mean in my world? I'm not sure what would be affecting that other than if your framerate is tanked.

tranquil cobalt Jul 8, 2019, 9:58 AM

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I don't think grass uses splatmaps like the terrain texture stuff so I don't think there's a method besides straight out using an editor script to export the grass cards out as a mesh. I think it'd be one baked mesh though which is no good (because can't cull that out)

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The prefab painters out there probably would give you more control in the end anyway! Just would have to redo that work which sucks

vocal shard Jul 8, 2019, 9:59 AM

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listen to him he knows what hes doing

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i sure as hell dont

faint skiff Jul 8, 2019, 10:01 AM

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@tranquil cobalt New painting it is then. Well, once I've found out what's tanking the framerate right now. I'll nuke the Skybox first, then the postprocessing, then finally switch the landscape shader back.

vocal shard Jul 8, 2019, 10:01 AM

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@faint skiff good luck mate

faint skiff Jul 8, 2019, 10:02 AM

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@vocal shard Thanks

tranquil cobalt Jul 8, 2019, 10:02 AM

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Make sure your grass textures are all atlas'd when do the new painting if possible btw! Can put it all on one material, get 'em all batched + save on draw calls which is great especially when you're dealing with alpha cutouts

faint skiff Jul 8, 2019, 10:03 AM

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I've done atlassing in blender but not Unity so I'll see how it works there (unless you meant on the model itself, in which case I wouldn't expect grass to have multiple textures anyway).

tranquil cobalt Jul 8, 2019, 10:03 AM

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If you just go in play mode and just move your cam around, you can seek around and the profiler should basically yell at you what the issue is

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Yeah! You can go into Blender, create a bunch of planes. Have them all share a UV / material but the actual plane meshes can be separate. Each plane mesh can be a different type of grass and you can split each mesh into a prefab.

vocal shard Jul 8, 2019, 10:06 AM

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is it bad that i don't understand a word of this

tranquil cobalt Jul 8, 2019, 10:06 AM

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Join our cult of making VRChat content and you will! 😉

flint peak Jul 8, 2019, 10:06 AM

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what is currently the most up to date build # ? I can't join my friend's worlds and they tell it should be build 801, but steam is not showing me any new updates, and the highest build # I see available is 800.

faint skiff Jul 8, 2019, 10:06 AM

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Hmm ok, I'll see about doing that then. I'm still very new to both Blender and Unity. Creating my avatar was my first experience about a week ago. It's been painful.

vocal shard Jul 8, 2019, 10:08 AM

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im in too many cults

tranquil cobalt Jul 8, 2019, 10:09 AM

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Ah! It's impressive you jumped into worlds at the pace you did tho! You seem to have navigated your way around everyone's troubleshooting attempts like you've been doing it for longer than a week

vocal shard Jul 8, 2019, 10:12 AM

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me

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idk what that means but it kinda sounds like an insult

faint skiff Jul 8, 2019, 10:17 AM

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@tranquil cobalt Thanks. I'm honestly amazed I managed to get a decently done avatar in the time I did too. It's mostly a kitbash (but with a decent amount of vertex editing as well) but it's all rigged up properly, dynamic bones, etc. So I'm happy with it for now until I can build more on it.

tranquil cobalt Jul 8, 2019, 10:17 AM

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I was responding to @faint skiff because they said they were new to Unity + Blender, and have only been working within it for a week

faint skiff Jul 8, 2019, 10:18 AM

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Editing meshes / deleting vertices in Blender without breaking the keys and such was a fun trial.

vocal shard Jul 8, 2019, 10:18 AM

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whats going on

ornate finch Jul 8, 2019, 10:19 AM

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the cult of atlasing is taking over

tranquil cobalt Jul 8, 2019, 10:19 AM

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Nice! VRChat is honestly great for experimenting + learning new stuff re: game dev. I work in like a neighboring field for work, and was always curious about crossing over. VRChat is what really pushed me down the rabbit hole

vocal shard Jul 8, 2019, 10:20 AM

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i jusy came here bc i don't have friends

faint skiff Jul 8, 2019, 10:20 AM

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Unity is actually much easier than I was expecting. But getting it from Unity into VRChat in a usable state and making the two actually resemble each other seems to be the hard part, lol.

tranquil cobalt Jul 8, 2019, 10:21 AM

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It's great for people getting into game dev too because when you think about it; worlds are basically small-scale titles with training wheels. It has a "guaranteed" player base with limited liability of things having to work flawlessly

faint skiff Jul 8, 2019, 10:22 AM

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But with missing grass shaders shakes fist

vocal shard Jul 8, 2019, 10:22 AM

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i believe in you enver

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how hard can grass be

faint skiff Jul 8, 2019, 10:23 AM

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Apparently it's easy, unless you're VRChat which is missing the shader required for it to render properly, lol

tranquil cobalt Jul 8, 2019, 10:23 AM

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I mean if you think of the VRC devs as your publishers (like EA), you can just pretend they're not allowing you to add grass hahaha

faint skiff Jul 8, 2019, 10:23 AM

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VRChat Grass DLC

vocal shard Jul 8, 2019, 10:23 AM

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i need a banjo kazooi avatar

tranquil cobalt Jul 8, 2019, 10:24 AM

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Udon is actually the name of their first DLC

ornate finch Jul 8, 2019, 10:24 AM

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but i want ramen

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i'm going on strike

flint peak Jul 8, 2019, 10:24 AM

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nevermind everything's working fine now but nothing's changed so I still don't know what the problem was

tranquil cobalt Jul 8, 2019, 10:25 AM

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What's going wrong? @flint peak

flint peak Jul 8, 2019, 10:32 AM

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nothing

tranquil cobalt Jul 8, 2019, 10:33 AM

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ah, well - happy to hear that 🌞

hollow breach Jul 8, 2019, 11:57 AM

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I demand someone to notice the fact that I like turtles

faint skiff Jul 8, 2019, 12:01 PM

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I like cereal

hasty fossil Jul 8, 2019, 12:43 PM

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idk what i did but somehow i have changed my arrow keys an wasd keys around does anyone know how to fix it?

ruby needle Jul 8, 2019, 12:43 PM

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hold shift during start and there you should be able to configure mappings

hasty fossil Jul 8, 2019, 12:44 PM

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during the start of what

ruby needle Jul 8, 2019, 12:44 PM

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The game, what else? cirThink

hasty fossil Jul 8, 2019, 12:44 PM

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ok

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it didn't work

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i think i have tried every button on my keyboar

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d

ruby needle Jul 8, 2019, 12:49 PM

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what didnt work? Rebinding or getting to the menue?

hasty fossil Jul 8, 2019, 12:49 PM

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no holding shift

ruby needle Jul 8, 2019, 12:49 PM

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You need to hold shift directly after click launch before the game it self even opens.

hasty fossil Jul 8, 2019, 12:50 PM

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ok i'll try again

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it says im using wasd but im still using the arrow keys

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i got it on youtube

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i fixed it

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thaks anyways paul

inner cape Jul 8, 2019, 12:58 PM

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Paul iris

misty turret Jul 8, 2019, 1:10 PM

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Sooo uh when are we reverting back to the better ik? Lol

ruby needle Jul 8, 2019, 1:10 PM

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It's not reverting.

final zodiac Jul 8, 2019, 1:11 PM

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Tried to write something on a wall in a graffiti world, friend sent a screenshot of it all garbled

faint skiff Jul 8, 2019, 1:12 PM

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Yeah, it's basically "point to point" in half second intervals, so you have to do it pretty damn slowly to get anything other than garbage.

final zodiac Jul 8, 2019, 1:16 PM

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Yeah lol

misty turret Jul 8, 2019, 1:17 PM

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@ruby needle eh well daily reminder that the ik is worse then can't hurt then.

ruby needle Jul 8, 2019, 1:20 PM

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It's continued to get worked on.

inner cape Jul 8, 2019, 1:20 PM

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a small price for salvation

mental fossil Jul 8, 2019, 1:43 PM

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anyone who can help me get zephyr prime?

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blueprint

faint skiff Jul 8, 2019, 1:47 PM

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There's an avatar world with a bunch of Warframe avatars on it, I think that has Zephyr Prime.

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This one I think it was - https://vrchat.com/home/world/wrld_aab5ae85-3dba-4d94-8efd-da93ce0cb223

pure hemlock Jul 8, 2019, 1:53 PM

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The network IK is fine. It just ruins social and physical immersion with other players, but that's not the main focus of vrchat.

heavy dawn Jul 8, 2019, 1:54 PM

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Yin what effect does network IK have?

mental fossil Jul 8, 2019, 1:54 PM

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Ups

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Wrong server

pure hemlock Jul 8, 2019, 1:54 PM

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Negative effects. That what is has.

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It was supposed to help with frames and I don't see a difference. In fact, my frames have been worse lately. So it's just negative effects for me.

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But it's fine. VRChat isn't about immersion or having realistic body movements or dancing or being able to write with pens or trying to hug players without walking through each other or fast movements getting translated properly or anything like that. It's about the memes and teenage romance drama.

hollow breach Jul 8, 2019, 2:00 PM

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I like memes

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@pure hemlock u don’t like memes?

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If u don’t I’ll cuck u

faint skiff Jul 8, 2019, 2:01 PM

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I personally thought it was about lying down in mid-air while spending every waking second infront of a mirror...

pure hemlock Jul 8, 2019, 2:01 PM

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Not really anymore now that they're shoved in my face everytime I play vrchat by every single person in a public lobby

hollow breach Jul 8, 2019, 2:01 PM

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@faint skiff only purple users do that, purple users suck

fervent tundra Jul 8, 2019, 2:02 PM

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has anyone had the issue where they import the VRCSDK and a bunch of windows randomly pop open? when importing to Unity.

hollow breach Jul 8, 2019, 2:02 PM

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Ask in user support

faint skiff Jul 8, 2019, 2:02 PM

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@fervent tundra That's importing scripts and stuff, AFAIK

pure hemlock Jul 8, 2019, 2:03 PM

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Honestly, I opposed mirror sitting for so long. But now that there is such huge delays between users, what's the point in trying to communicate face to face, when there is a 2-3 second delay in movements and my movements barely look human to other players unless I move super slowly. F that I'll just sit in the front of the mirror since everything else is redundant now

hollow breach Jul 8, 2019, 2:07 PM

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Eh

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Too much complaining, ima go be a Ugandan knuckle now

inner cape Jul 8, 2019, 2:07 PM

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Its gonna lag either way if you're looking straight at a person or into a mirror

ornate finch Jul 8, 2019, 2:07 PM

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if you're in a lobby with unoptimized avatars

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which is like the vast majority

pure hemlock Jul 8, 2019, 2:08 PM

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Yah but at least my own movements look relatively human to me

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I'll stare at those instead of the heavily interpolated movements of my peers

inner cape Jul 8, 2019, 2:08 PM

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excuses excuses

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you just succumbed to the mirror

hollow breach Jul 8, 2019, 2:08 PM

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^

ornate finch Jul 8, 2019, 2:09 PM

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you look into the abyss and the abyss stares back

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unity_chan_dab

hollow breach Jul 8, 2019, 2:09 PM

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I’m pretty sure the people in worlds move like a human lmao

inner cape Jul 8, 2019, 2:09 PM

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👁

hollow breach Jul 8, 2019, 2:09 PM

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Ew, delete that msg

pure hemlock Jul 8, 2019, 2:09 PM

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Have you seen anyone try to dance or write? It's like a bad mmd animation

hollow breach Jul 8, 2019, 2:09 PM

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The eye is creeping me out

inner cape Jul 8, 2019, 2:09 PM

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👁 👃 👁

ornate finch Jul 8, 2019, 2:09 PM

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👁 w👁

hollow breach Jul 8, 2019, 2:09 PM

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Yes, I’ve danced with my FBT before

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I do fortnite dances, and I’m amazing at them

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Just watch me floss : D

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And stop with the eyes!!!!

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Reeeeeeee

ornate finch Jul 8, 2019, 2:10 PM

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to be fair dancing with fbt IK has always been pretty shitty

pure hemlock Jul 8, 2019, 2:10 PM

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It used to be great

inner cape Jul 8, 2019, 2:11 PM

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I know it looks ass sometimes but I still dont get an urge to go sit and stare at myself cause of it, cause it's kinda not connected

pure hemlock Jul 8, 2019, 2:11 PM

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FBT got worse and worse and then Network IK happened

ornate finch Jul 8, 2019, 2:11 PM

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not really from what i've seen

pure hemlock Jul 8, 2019, 2:11 PM

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I saw Forceable and other notable dancers in game before and they looked amazing dancing

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Now they look like they're sliding on ice

plain sluice Jul 8, 2019, 2:11 PM

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Hot take; if fbt is messing up in your lobby, just go to another 😃

ornate finch Jul 8, 2019, 2:12 PM

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yeah i definitely don't share the same opinion

hollow breach Jul 8, 2019, 2:12 PM

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@vague hemlock never seen ur name before on that purple list, u new to the team? Or am I just blind for the longest time ever?

ornate finch Jul 8, 2019, 2:12 PM

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i'd rather see a proper smooth animation than a choppy IK calculation that can't keep up

vague hemlock Jul 8, 2019, 2:13 PM

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I was lightly active until now SmooAhh

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I was actually here the whole time SmooSuprise

hollow breach Jul 8, 2019, 2:13 PM

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: o

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I feel afraid now

inner cape Jul 8, 2019, 2:13 PM

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just be patient, they will make it more reliable eventually
previous ik solution was more demanding on users systems, this one is not as heavy

pure hemlock Jul 8, 2019, 2:13 PM

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I've been testing out another social VR game where the latency between me and my friend is like... 30ms instead of the 1000-3000ms VRChat has. Physical immersion and realistic movement translations is essential for Social VR. It felt like I was in the same room as him. VRChat, it feels like I am in the room with a badly controlled laggy puppet.

plain sluice Jul 8, 2019, 2:14 PM

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Hmm, if your having so much troubles with your model maybe its you becuase ive been fin

hollow breach Jul 8, 2019, 2:14 PM

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I’m da puppet master

faint skiff Jul 8, 2019, 2:14 PM

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Yeah, the perma 190ms ping isn't ideal.

pure hemlock Jul 8, 2019, 2:15 PM

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Try to sing with someone in VR, or put your hands together with someone and try to move them at the same time. It's 1-3 second delay.

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It's absolutely horrible in vrchat

hollow breach Jul 8, 2019, 2:15 PM

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Hehehe, okay I agree with the hand thing

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It’s funny and awkward

mental fossil Jul 8, 2019, 2:15 PM

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If your left leg is Thanksgiving, and your right leg is Christmas, can I come visit between the holidays?

hollow breach Jul 8, 2019, 2:16 PM

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Gimmie high five, HA, too slow

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@mental fossil I like u already

pure hemlock Jul 8, 2019, 2:16 PM

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Yah. It creates a disconnect between you and your friends, and ruins immersion. Which is kind of the purpose of a VR game. But apparently it's not VRChat's priority. 🤷

mental fossil Jul 8, 2019, 2:16 PM

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xD

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Yeeee Boi!

inner cape Jul 8, 2019, 2:16 PM

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vrpill

worldly notch Jul 8, 2019, 2:21 PM

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Lol

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shana EXSGT cubed aevSip

heavy dawn Jul 8, 2019, 2:29 PM

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Yin: I get the framerate improvements and I don't see any lag in movements really. But I'm in North America so YMMV.

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In a major city with fast enough Internet so I think pings might matter.

pure hemlock Jul 8, 2019, 2:30 PM

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I am in North American as well. East coast. 1-3 second delay minimum in physical movements between players. I dunno if you're just lucky somehow, but every I Know has the same delay. I have a 500mbps connection.

heavy dawn Jul 8, 2019, 2:31 PM

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1-3 seconds? Are you using dialup? 🤣

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Hmm, strange. I believe you but I don't know what might cause that.

pure hemlock Jul 8, 2019, 2:31 PM

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Are you serious? That's literally the delay for everyone in the game right now.

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Next time you're on, find a friend, hold up your hands together, and try to move them at the same time.

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You'll see how bad it is.

heavy dawn Jul 8, 2019, 2:32 PM

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Oh... Well the game audio is a bit delayed.

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Like if you talk in a mirror your mouth moves like a second later but that's not network IK update. That has always been the case. For at least a year I've been playing it.

inner cape Jul 8, 2019, 2:32 PM

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there has always been delays, it just got slightly worse and people actually noticed with the networked ik

pure hemlock Jul 8, 2019, 2:32 PM

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It didn't get slightly worse. It got significantly worse.

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I dunno if I can post links in here but I have a ton of them showing the insanely bad latency.

mental fossil Jul 8, 2019, 2:33 PM

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anyone who knows a avatar world to get a broccoli skin

inner cape Jul 8, 2019, 2:37 PM

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aight lemme run this down
lag for speech has always been present and it has never changed cause its not connected to the ik and its update.
after the switch to networked ik the lag has been immense but short after they released a patch that significantly reduced that delay, even tho it's still present it's not as big as it was on initial release, in fact it's not much worse than local ik used to be

pure hemlock Jul 8, 2019, 2:38 PM

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Local IK had a delay of like... 300-500ms for most people for me. Which was still unacceptable imo but w/e, could live with it. The most recent version of network IK is still easily 2-3 seconds minimum. Maybe like 1s for some people when the server isn't bogged down.

inner cape Jul 8, 2019, 2:39 PM

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we gonna count seconds now, are we

pure hemlock Jul 8, 2019, 2:39 PM

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Nah I take it back I don't think I've ever noticed it as low as 1s, I am trying to be gracious

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I mean that's how we count delay. Not my fault VRChat is so bad it's in the seconds.

ruby needle Jul 8, 2019, 2:40 PM

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how do you do your test? have one raise the hand when the other does?

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or count down

pure hemlock Jul 8, 2019, 2:40 PM

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I always put both my hands to both their hands in the air. Then I move my hand, slowly, and they move their hands slowly to keep our palms touching.

ruby needle Jul 8, 2019, 2:41 PM

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Nah thats anything but a reliable test

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plus you need to half the result

pure hemlock Jul 8, 2019, 2:41 PM

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Then what would you consider a reliable test?

ruby needle Jul 8, 2019, 2:41 PM

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I think the most reliable you can do is count down and raise the hands on a clear mark

faint skiff Jul 8, 2019, 2:42 PM

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You'd need an external clock though, you couldn't use voice as that would have it's own delay

ruby needle Jul 8, 2019, 2:42 PM

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anything else has significantly higher reaction time factored in

pure hemlock Jul 8, 2019, 2:42 PM

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I think that's worse personally...

ruby needle Jul 8, 2019, 2:42 PM

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nothing is really reliable in the end

pure hemlock Jul 8, 2019, 2:42 PM

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I mean it's reliable enough. I've done the same test in other VR Social games and the delay between moving our hands is SIGNIFICANTLY better.

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VRChat is like... reallllly bad in comparison

ruby needle Jul 8, 2019, 2:43 PM

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but for your testing methode you definitely need to half the time measured

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cus you measure the time it takes them to react to your reaction

inner cape Jul 8, 2019, 2:43 PM

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I've seen a post on Twitter, testing the delay with people being in the same room irl, both lowering their hands at the same time
I thought it was pretty reliable so that's what I'm basing my opinions off

pure hemlock Jul 8, 2019, 2:43 PM

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I mean I can knock off, what, 100-200ms, maybe? For someone to react to me SLOWLY moving my hand?

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The reaction time needed for that type of movement is pretty low

ornate finch Jul 8, 2019, 2:44 PM

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have you conducted multiple tests with different circumstances and time windows?

pure hemlock Jul 8, 2019, 2:44 PM

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I've also done voice tests, where we sing a song together in like slow motion and sync our voices and that's just as bad in VRChat, but significantly better in other VR games.

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Like I know I am not using perfect tests, but it doesn't take perfect tests to see that VRChat is significantly delayed

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It's not a matter of a few ms. It's a matter of seconds in difference.

ornate finch Jul 8, 2019, 2:46 PM

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yeah sure but conducting proper tests is gonna give you a more definitive answer than complaining when you notice it in particular

inner cape Jul 8, 2019, 2:46 PM

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all this discussion is cause yin succumbed to the mirrors

pure hemlock Jul 8, 2019, 2:46 PM

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Like I said, I have videos of said tests, between VRChat and another particular Social VR game. The difference is pretty eye opening.

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Just don't thinK I can share them here

ornate finch Jul 8, 2019, 2:48 PM

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simply providing a couple videos as an example and comparing it with another platform isn't really a fair comparison

pure hemlock Jul 8, 2019, 2:48 PM

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How is it not a fair comparison? They're both Social VR games with the same purpose. And one has maybe 50ms delay between me and my friend, the other has 2-3 seconds easily.

ornate finch Jul 8, 2019, 2:48 PM

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not all games are built upon the same systems

ruby needle Jul 8, 2019, 2:49 PM

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runing a vr instance and a desktop instance on the same PC and caturing both looking at each other is propably the best test you can conduct.

pure hemlock Jul 8, 2019, 2:49 PM

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Actually FPaul, there's videos online from a couple living in the same house with 2 VR systems, where they're holding their hands, and they drop their hands together irl at the same time. In the video, it's like a 2 second delay.

ornate finch Jul 8, 2019, 2:49 PM

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probably

pure hemlock Jul 8, 2019, 2:50 PM

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I'd say that's a pretty good test lol

ruby needle Jul 8, 2019, 2:50 PM

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isnt the video you're talking about from the first version tho

pure hemlock Jul 8, 2019, 2:50 PM

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Maybe? Not sure. Saw it a month ago now

vocal shard Jul 8, 2019, 2:50 PM

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Wow, I've never seen that much delay. I've noticed delay, but never something significant as that

ruby needle Jul 8, 2019, 2:50 PM

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Then it is 😃

heavy dawn Jul 8, 2019, 2:51 PM

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Yeah I don't notice actual seconds delay. But I'm not trying to ERP with people much. so 🤷

latent spindle Jul 8, 2019, 2:51 PM

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I havent seen that level of delay either.

ruby needle Jul 8, 2019, 2:51 PM

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let me do the desktop test for you. gimme a sec 😃

vocal shard Jul 8, 2019, 2:51 PM

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Could that also result from your own ping too?

ornate finch Jul 8, 2019, 2:51 PM

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has anybody correlated performance loss adding delay?

pure hemlock Jul 8, 2019, 2:52 PM

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My ping is like 100ms according to the menu typically

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But the delay is a lot more than 100ms lol

heavy dawn Jul 8, 2019, 2:52 PM

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My local movement is bang on with Vive. So that is enough for immersion for me, really.

pure hemlock Jul 8, 2019, 2:52 PM

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20 times that easilyyyyy

hollow breach Jul 8, 2019, 2:52 PM

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I get ping of 19 in cs, but vrc I get 120, why ; (

inner cape Jul 8, 2019, 2:53 PM

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cheap Amazon servers 😤

pure hemlock Jul 8, 2019, 2:53 PM

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Yah I kind of like physical interaction with other people so, my local immersion isn't quite enough

faint skiff Jul 8, 2019, 2:54 PM

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"You wore out the groinal attachment in a week!"

floral quiver Jul 8, 2019, 2:54 PM

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Can anyone load into a world. I got dc and now i just get stuck at a black screen

bright widget Jul 8, 2019, 2:55 PM

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does vrchat crashed for everyone?

floral quiver Jul 8, 2019, 2:55 PM

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It was all fine

thick blaze Jul 8, 2019, 2:55 PM

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rip

honest marten Jul 8, 2019, 2:55 PM

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yes

acoustic shale Jul 8, 2019, 2:55 PM

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yup

cyan breach Jul 8, 2019, 2:55 PM

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https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/418306902708191235/597794875156725780/527518757954912266.gif

vestal sleet Jul 8, 2019, 2:55 PM

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Oh did u guys all crash

pure hemlock Jul 8, 2019, 2:55 PM

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Speaking of shitty servers... lol

solid basalt Jul 8, 2019, 2:55 PM

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Ye

gusty dust Jul 8, 2019, 2:55 PM

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F

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now who am I going to headpat

maiden swan Jul 8, 2019, 2:55 PM

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timeout F

acoustic shale Jul 8, 2019, 2:55 PM

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@gusty dust your cat

gusty dust Jul 8, 2019, 2:56 PM

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@acoustic shale adopts a cat

proper thunder Jul 8, 2019, 2:56 PM

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rip vrchat servers again

acoustic shale Jul 8, 2019, 2:56 PM

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@gusty dust I am a cat

faint skiff Jul 8, 2019, 2:56 PM

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Lies, you're a panda

acoustic shale Jul 8, 2019, 2:56 PM

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it's just a suite

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irl I am a cat

pure hemlock Jul 8, 2019, 2:57 PM

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Wonder if the higher bandwidth from the network IK has anything to do with the servers crashing more lately

proper thunder Jul 8, 2019, 2:57 PM

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for me i timedout and its all black now

fathom bolt Jul 8, 2019, 2:57 PM

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something going on with the servers?

proper thunder Jul 8, 2019, 2:57 PM

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yep i guess

austere willow Jul 8, 2019, 2:57 PM

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I can't go back in :(

fathom bolt Jul 8, 2019, 2:58 PM

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ppl started to rubberband all over the place now i can login but it will stuck at initializing world and then go to black

floral quiver Jul 8, 2019, 2:58 PM

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That happened to me

ornate finch Jul 8, 2019, 2:58 PM

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@pure hemlock i doubt it unless you wanna correlate them potentially working more frequently on the servers in some form perhaps due to network IK

floral quiver Jul 8, 2019, 2:58 PM

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Rubberbaning then ded

vocal shard Jul 8, 2019, 2:58 PM

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happening to everyone

pure hemlock Jul 8, 2019, 2:59 PM

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🤷 Just saying. The first implementation of Network IK had to be reverted due to load on the servers.

austere willow Jul 8, 2019, 2:59 PM

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Okay

ornate finch Jul 8, 2019, 2:59 PM

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🤷 just saying

fathom bolt Jul 8, 2019, 2:59 PM

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@ Server monkeys GO TO WORK :p

gusty dust Jul 8, 2019, 2:59 PM

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for a second I thought it went back but nope

ruby needle Jul 8, 2019, 3:00 PM

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I gues the delay test is getting a bit delayed due to the temporary issues @pure hemlock cirBaka

ornate finch Jul 8, 2019, 3:00 PM

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aevSip

pure hemlock Jul 8, 2019, 3:00 PM

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I would be interested in seeing your results though FPaul

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Feel free to pm them to me if you get around to it

ruby needle Jul 8, 2019, 3:00 PM

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i'll do it once stuff is back up

burnt gull Jul 8, 2019, 3:00 PM

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Cant load in

paper pecan Jul 8, 2019, 3:00 PM

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I just wanna watch my movie T_T

alpine flame Jul 8, 2019, 3:01 PM

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hey y'all vrchat died

lyric urchin Jul 8, 2019, 3:01 PM

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damn, was in the middle of building/testing a world too VRC_Pizza

storm stag Jul 8, 2019, 3:01 PM

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Black screen.

alpine flame Jul 8, 2019, 3:01 PM

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so everyone has the same problem huh

storm stag Jul 8, 2019, 3:01 PM

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Huh, I though I was the only one having problems.

paper pecan Jul 8, 2019, 3:01 PM

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Black screen here too

alpine crater Jul 8, 2019, 3:01 PM

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same

storm stag Jul 8, 2019, 3:02 PM

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I got kicked out of a world.

fathom bolt Jul 8, 2019, 3:02 PM

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guess their backend is down or under heavy load

gusty dust Jul 8, 2019, 3:02 PM

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BACK

vocal shard Jul 8, 2019, 3:02 PM

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^

pliant sonnet Jul 8, 2019, 3:03 PM

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ye

vocal shard Jul 8, 2019, 3:03 PM

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was so confused for a bit

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i just deleted my animation cause i thought it was causing that..

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same here

ruby needle Jul 8, 2019, 3:34 PM

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@pure hemlock done the test

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gr37oMGxrQ0

ornate finch Jul 8, 2019, 3:41 PM

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looks pretty good

cyan breach Jul 8, 2019, 3:41 PM

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Whats your ping?

ruby needle Jul 8, 2019, 3:41 PM

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i showed it

sly nexus Jul 8, 2019, 3:41 PM

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ok so like

ornate finch Jul 8, 2019, 3:41 PM

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200 he showed it

ruby needle Jul 8, 2019, 3:41 PM

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200

cyan breach Jul 8, 2019, 3:41 PM

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Ah rip lol

sly nexus Jul 8, 2019, 3:42 PM

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This is totally random and nobody probably has an answer for me BUT

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I spent the past 7-8 hours overclocking a phenom II 1090T and I got it to run at 4.0GHz with 2000MHz DDR3 RAM

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I got a crash due to an access violation

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Error occurred at 2019-07-08_084008. D:\SteamLibrary\steamapps\common\VRChat\VRChat.exe, run by techd. 31% memory in use. 16294 MB physical memory [11082 MB free]. 18726 MB paging file [8228 MB free]. 134217728 MB user address space [134209929 MB free]. Write to location 0000ffff caused an access violation.

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happened twice

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Error occurred at 2019-07-08_083654. D:\SteamLibrary\steamapps\common\VRChat\VRChat.exe, run by techd. 32% memory in use. 16294 MB physical memory [10962 MB free]. 18726 MB paging file [8157 MB free]. 134217728 MB user address space [134209827 MB free]. Write to location 4bd338e0 caused an access violation.

ornate finch Jul 8, 2019, 3:44 PM

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have you tried running it as admin? 🤷

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restart your pc?

hollow breach Jul 8, 2019, 3:44 PM

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This is illegal stuff right there D :

pure hemlock Jul 8, 2019, 3:44 PM

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That's actually not that bad tbh FPaul

sly nexus Jul 8, 2019, 3:44 PM

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what? illegal?

ruby needle Jul 8, 2019, 3:45 PM

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Yeah it definitely has improved since the first patch.

pure hemlock Jul 8, 2019, 3:45 PM

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Would like to see a test done in a public room next with 10-20 people though because the delay seems far worse when I test with friends

ornate finch Jul 8, 2019, 3:45 PM

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well yeah if your PC is lagging good chance the IK will aswell

pure hemlock Jul 8, 2019, 3:46 PM

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My PC isn't really lagging

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70% usuage maybe at most

ornate finch Jul 8, 2019, 3:46 PM

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usage isn't a determining factor

pure hemlock Jul 8, 2019, 3:46 PM

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How is usage not a determining factor to my PC lagging?

ornate finch Jul 8, 2019, 3:46 PM

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anyways i'd love to see stress tests for the IK delay

sly nexus Jul 8, 2019, 3:47 PM

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Im going to try running it as an admin ig

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EYYY

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it worked owo

ornate finch Jul 8, 2019, 3:47 PM

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cause % usage isn't going to show you fps drops along with other factors that could potentially cause the IK to halt or delay

pure hemlock Jul 8, 2019, 3:48 PM

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Okay well I have a decent rig.

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THe game should support being in a room with 10-20 ppl lol

ornate finch Jul 8, 2019, 3:48 PM

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Okay well are you going to tell me that avatars people upload are optimized?

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even the best rig will have trouble in a full room with unoptimized avatars

pure hemlock Jul 8, 2019, 3:49 PM

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Okay well test it with avatars hidden

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Ezpz

ornate finch Jul 8, 2019, 3:49 PM

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does it still calculate IK for blocked avatars?

pure hemlock Jul 8, 2019, 3:50 PM

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It does for avatars blocked through safety settings. You can see head and hands. Avatars blocked via the new minimum performance settings though does not.

ornate finch Jul 8, 2019, 3:50 PM

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ah okay

pastel galleon Jul 8, 2019, 3:51 PM

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Even in a full room of optimized avatars you'll hardly reach good frames

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And ik seems to get worse in a world full of people

pure hemlock Jul 8, 2019, 3:52 PM

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^ Is true. I've tried toggling avatars on/off when my frames get bad. Doesn't really make a hueg dent in frames.

ornate finch Jul 8, 2019, 3:52 PM

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blocking unoptimized avatars definitely makes a big difference

pure hemlock Jul 8, 2019, 3:52 PM

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Usually it's a memory leak issue for me. After 2-3 hours, VRChat eats up like 9gb of ram and I need to restart it.

pastel galleon Jul 8, 2019, 3:53 PM

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Also the ik decays over time in an instance, it's not immediate

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Yeah sometimes it's better to rejoin a world if people come and go

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Cause it'll leak too much otherwise

pure hemlock Jul 8, 2019, 3:54 PM

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Sometimes when it gets too laggy too, the IK falls behind. My friend has a pretty bad computer and after like 5 minutes in a public, my IK is about 3-5 minutes delayed for her.

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I'll be in a Discord call with her and she's watching my movements from a few minutes ago and can't hear me in game

pastel galleon Jul 8, 2019, 3:55 PM

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I haven't tested a connection between fps and ik yet

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Seems troublesome tho

pure hemlock Jul 8, 2019, 3:56 PM

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I've noticed it with a few desktop users as well, particularly in murder. There was a foreign kid with I assume a bad PC, was literally reacting to stuff from like 3 rounds ago and wasn't respawning when the games would end and we could not kill him even though he wasn't moving. We spent like 3 minutes shooting at him, and he only started reacting like 3 minutes later lol

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And his hand was held out as if he was holding a gun or a knife, and it sounded like he was trying to shoot people. But nothing was in his hands on our screens

pastel galleon Jul 8, 2019, 3:57 PM

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Maybe he had like 600 ping

pure hemlock Jul 8, 2019, 3:58 PM

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Maybe but a 3-5 minute delay is a lot more than 600 ms xD Seems like the IK tries to play catch up or something and just falls more and more behind

pastel galleon Jul 8, 2019, 3:58 PM

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Damn that's so much delay

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It doesn't even try to catch up

pure hemlock Jul 8, 2019, 3:59 PM

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I dunno about the kid but for my friend, she has fine internet, and the game runs fine in privates with like 3 people. But public worlds she gets so out of sync constantly

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She runs at like 10fps when it gets out of sync though so I think that's the cause

sly nexus Jul 8, 2019, 4:03 PM

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I had it running as an admin and now it crashed from an access violation anyway

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see I get ducked by the network IK because my CPU cant keep up with VRChat and cant process it even as network IK

hollow breach Jul 8, 2019, 4:04 PM

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Ur doing too much illegal stuff right there

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I’m going to have to stop u criminal scum

sly nexus Jul 8, 2019, 4:04 PM

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Dont make me force this baby to 7GHz

hollow breach Jul 8, 2019, 4:04 PM

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D :

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You wouldn’t dare!

sly nexus Jul 8, 2019, 4:04 PM

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someone in China did it

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why cant I

umbral reef Jul 8, 2019, 4:05 PM

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The wrong info in this chat is high 👀

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Networked IK has nothing to do with access violations

hollow breach Jul 8, 2019, 4:05 PM

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Or does it?

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dun dun DUN

umbral reef Jul 8, 2019, 4:06 PM

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Also @pure hemlock this can be related to unoptimized avatars/worlds where the game is data throttled (soo much info to calculate)/Cpu throttled. This can cause the game to lagg a bit and often audio or the IK will become worse/not work

hollow breach Jul 8, 2019, 4:06 PM

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@wind sierra I see u on dat green list 👀

winged thistle Jul 8, 2019, 4:24 PM

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looks like vrchat is having a good time today?

mental fossil Jul 8, 2019, 4:26 PM

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Yes

pure hemlock Jul 8, 2019, 4:26 PM

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Sounds like it

mental fossil Jul 8, 2019, 4:30 PM

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Do you guys like broccoli?

faint skiff Jul 8, 2019, 4:56 PM

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@vocal shard That'll be because you're literally just spamming.

ruby needle Jul 8, 2019, 4:57 PM

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This doesnt belong here

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The person you named has no saying here at all. They might have allowed to to link to the video (which... you would not need any permission at all unless its private cirHuh )

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But that it, this is not a place for it.

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Listen

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There is nothing to discuss here.

faint skiff Jul 8, 2019, 5:00 PM

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That's like me breaking into Paul's house and saying "It's alright, my mate Jim said it's fine". lol.

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Chaz, they may not mind you sharing the video, but you can't just paste it in random channels because those CHANNELS don't want it.

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No-one cares what ZeroPhyx thinks about it.

frosty veldt Jul 8, 2019, 5:00 PM

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You can't get permission from someone who has no permission themselves

umbral reef Jul 8, 2019, 5:01 PM

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And expect to get banned for it yes.

faint skiff Jul 8, 2019, 5:01 PM

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You heard the man. Off with his head...

umbral reef Jul 8, 2019, 5:01 PM

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Great way to get hate towards your friend then btw-
He should regret giving you permission to do this. But its not relevent for this chat, you got told off so just dont do it.

faint skiff Jul 8, 2019, 5:02 PM

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@vocal shard Do you have permission from the discord channel owners to post it in their channels?

frosty veldt Jul 8, 2019, 5:02 PM

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Lmao

ruby needle Jul 8, 2019, 5:02 PM

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Just ignore them

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they are clearly trolling

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Let's move on cirComfy

faint skiff Jul 8, 2019, 5:03 PM

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"My VRChat brings all the spergs to the yard..."

frosty veldt Jul 8, 2019, 5:03 PM

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I was waiting for the thrilling conclusion to his points

vocal shard Jul 8, 2019, 5:29 PM

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I got a new task given to me; a hard task to say the least lol

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Task :: Get them 1,000 subscribers || The only way to do that is constant video posting either every day on scheduled times, 3 to 5 videos a week; and maybe using Social Media Marketing Tools.

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I will need to get a review and an update on how to get Youtube Subscribers again -- but based on what I am seeing it's more on a Social Media gain.

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Hard task given to me someone who hasn't ever got 1,000 subs before plus it's business-brand-building-real estate related stuff.

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I only got theories and analzyed how people grow from different Social Medias. -- But I feel best route is constant video 3 to 5 a week

shy rain Jul 8, 2019, 5:33 PM

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why is vrchat so broken for me,

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it struggles to load anything.

vocal shard Jul 8, 2019, 5:33 PM

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And I told her "We need to see if it works or not" because it doesn't mean it does.

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Or, just play the long game and don't focus on getting subs YuiHappy

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Just be a genuine person that draws people. Eventually they'll get there

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I will put that in the proposal

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Actually I will make that subliminal.

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So I think she is following every step of how to get subscribers she has like 100 subs; so she's doing something right.

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the only issue I feel that she might be doing wrong is the lack of videos she posts.

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There's a Lack of Videos -- She should have 3 to 5 a week; 2. There's a lack of Social Media Marketing tools used; The Sharing and Networking is the STRONG part. She has all those parts which gave her 100 subs in the first place out of her 1,000 to 4,000 on all Social Medias -- 4. Purchased Ads.

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Also she needs to put herself out there (or have representatives speak in each video)

hollow breach Jul 8, 2019, 5:42 PM

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I’ll sub if they put a Ugandan knuckle in the video : )

vocal shard Jul 8, 2019, 5:43 PM

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Well yeah that's one way; but I don't think it fits their niche. xD

hollow breach Jul 8, 2019, 5:44 PM

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IDC

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Ugandan knuckle or no sub

vocal shard Jul 8, 2019, 5:46 PM

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Well anyway; this will be a test of my Social Media Marketing Skills -- And I know SMM I just never do it

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You always want to market certain things; myself, I like putting twists into things; like making Knuckles a form of art; Kermits as DnD Warriors for Roleplay purposes; Shaggies -- I forgot what I said I wanted to do with them but apparently it was a good idea.

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does anyone remember what I said about what i wanted to do with Shaggies?

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I forget ... it was a good idea

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OH..

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Fall Out Themed Shaggies. That's right.

umbral reef Jul 8, 2019, 5:55 PM

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@vocal shard early youtube is a lot of luck. Getting lucky with the tags is the most important thing you can have. The market is so flooded its hard to also get anywhere with subpar content so having it being higher end compared to others or atleast the same is a must have really.
Also, vieuws mean a LOT more then subs in current youtube. Anyone saying thats not right is used to an older youtube and just has not realized yet

vocal shard Jul 8, 2019, 5:56 PM

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Well she doesn't know Social Media xD

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She will only get equal to the amount of viewers from what I am thinking

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and won't expand unless those viewers start sharing or something but I feel like 1,000 can be done; but the view might not.

umbral reef Jul 8, 2019, 5:58 PM

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Nah, users sharing people barely grows. Gotta make the system happy by uploading the right content that gets click true and watch time. Having people click on the video is stupidly important, upgrade the thumbnales and ect if they are that small still. Social media is to keep in contact with hardcore fans, to reward them, not to gain new ones.

covert linden Jul 8, 2019, 5:59 PM

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also being limited to one platform reduces the likelyhood of gain a lot in my experience

vocal shard Jul 8, 2019, 5:59 PM

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alright this will be a bit of a revision then; forgot that you need to feed people lol

covert linden Jul 8, 2019, 6:00 PM

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each platform has its strengths, Instagram to me is reach, (As ive been on it for years and have worked up a following there easiest), while youtube is best for just the content, but growing on that alone is hard

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also making money off youtube is even harder, lemme go find the like

umbral reef Jul 8, 2019, 6:00 PM

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Your not a company though

vocal shard Jul 8, 2019, 6:00 PM

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Ye she has those but she doesn't use them effectively.

umbral reef Jul 8, 2019, 6:00 PM

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You make content and people have to follow you for that

covert linden Jul 8, 2019, 6:01 PM

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so this person is a company?

umbral reef Jul 8, 2019, 6:01 PM

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People wont care about anything you do unless they care about your content and unless you make a second type of content on another platform its not a gain

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Like how do yourself learn about new youtubers to follow?

vocal shard Jul 8, 2019, 6:02 PM

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They reward or have an interaction // she shows this; however, I think she needs a way to show this to an Audience and not what she is doing in the video

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So she needs to do the reciprocal somehow.

umbral reef Jul 8, 2019, 6:02 PM

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Lets more over to #general-media

languid beacon Jul 8, 2019, 6:11 PM

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https://www.roadtovr.com/oculus-job-listing-eye-tracking-ar-vr/

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VRC_Thinking

pure hemlock Jul 8, 2019, 6:17 PM

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That's good to hear. I hope the next generation of VR has facial tracking and eye tracking features to bring our avatars to life in social games.

faint skiff Jul 8, 2019, 6:26 PM

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I hope not, that would make me way too self-conscious. That said, I'm pretty sure foveated rendering is on the table for next gen so you'll likely get your wish.

mental fossil Jul 8, 2019, 6:32 PM

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What do you call it when you put a chicken in a vacuum?

covert linden Jul 8, 2019, 6:32 PM

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chicken abuse

mental fossil Jul 8, 2019, 6:37 PM

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Idk if its allowed in here

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But, the other word for chicken that starts with c and sucker bcs a vacuum sucks the air out of things

covert linden Jul 8, 2019, 6:38 PM

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vrpill vrpill

mental fossil Jul 8, 2019, 6:38 PM

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you get it?

covert linden Jul 8, 2019, 6:39 PM

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I wish I didnt

mental fossil Jul 8, 2019, 6:39 PM

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xD

vocal shard Jul 8, 2019, 6:48 PM

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anyone else getting disconnected from rooms and thrown into their home constantly?

mental fossil Jul 8, 2019, 6:48 PM

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Nope

vocal shard Jul 8, 2019, 6:51 PM

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I've been on this platform since 2017 and here I am half way through 2019 and it's still the same crap

pure hemlock Jul 8, 2019, 6:51 PM

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My boyfriend gets that a lot for some reason but it never happens to me

covert linden Jul 8, 2019, 6:51 PM

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Yay boyfriends

mental fossil Jul 8, 2019, 6:55 PM

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Yay girlgriends

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girlfriends*

heavy dawn Jul 8, 2019, 6:56 PM

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I don't get booted to a different room but first load sometimes fails and I'll get that error BEEP and then it'll reload the same level.

faint skiff Jul 8, 2019, 6:56 PM

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That beep creeps me out because I still don't know what it means

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Normally happens when someone crashes me out though

vocal shard Jul 8, 2019, 6:57 PM

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my logs are literally just spam of "something very bad happened" and "(insert name here) has failed to update pose"

faint skiff Jul 8, 2019, 6:59 PM

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Yeah, what is with the pose update spam?

vestal sleet Jul 8, 2019, 7:12 PM

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I get throw into empty room or home alot

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No clue why

heavy dawn Jul 8, 2019, 7:12 PM

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Enverex I think it means timeout.

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Like the level took so long to sync it just hit the game's netowork timeout.

faint skiff Jul 8, 2019, 7:14 PM

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I've had it just "happen" while things were going on, so not always

heavy dawn Jul 8, 2019, 7:20 PM

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Yeah I've had the loud beep happen when someone's doing a stuid animation. Timed me out of the climbing challenge tree level with only 2 left to find. 😐

vocal shard Jul 8, 2019, 7:40 PM

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anyone else having problems with vrchat hitting 60 percent gpu usage

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what kind of gpu do u have?

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and in vr or out of vr

ashen harbor Jul 8, 2019, 7:52 PM

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where's the fullscreen option

vocal shard Jul 8, 2019, 7:52 PM

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alt+enter

ashen harbor Jul 8, 2019, 7:52 PM

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ty

vocal shard Jul 8, 2019, 7:52 PM

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hold alt and press enter

ashen harbor Jul 8, 2019, 7:52 PM

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uhm ratio is off

vocal shard Jul 8, 2019, 7:52 PM

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im using oculus im using a nvidia 1050 and intel core i5

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7th gen

ashen harbor Jul 8, 2019, 7:52 PM

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how do I fix that

vocal shard Jul 8, 2019, 7:53 PM

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magic in game holt left alt and press enter right next to shift

ashen harbor Jul 8, 2019, 7:53 PM

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I did

vocal shard Jul 8, 2019, 7:53 PM

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nothing happened?

ashen harbor Jul 8, 2019, 7:53 PM

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its fullscreen

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but not correct ratio

vocal shard Jul 8, 2019, 7:53 PM

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oh

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hold up

vestal sleet Jul 8, 2019, 7:54 PM

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Shift start game

ashen harbor Jul 8, 2019, 7:54 PM

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shift start?

vocal shard Jul 8, 2019, 7:54 PM

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as big gamer, is it a problem that your gpu is at 60, like lag

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hold shift and start game

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@ashen harbor

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i just open vrchat and it uses max 60 gpu idk why

vestal sleet Jul 8, 2019, 7:55 PM

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R u running desktop or vr

vocal shard Jul 8, 2019, 7:55 PM

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vr

ashen harbor Jul 8, 2019, 7:55 PM

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also @vocal shard how to adjust sensitivity?

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@vestal sleet because I don't have a vr headset :p

shy rain Jul 8, 2019, 7:58 PM

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All i wanna do is play vrchat 😦

vocal shard Jul 8, 2019, 7:59 PM

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also caus of that my headset blackscreens

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cause my total gpu usage goes to 100

covert linden Jul 8, 2019, 8:02 PM

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@vocal shard 1060 is usually minmum for vr, so, 1050 will be used up like that

vocal shard Jul 8, 2019, 8:03 PM

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but the thing is it never happened

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i played this game for a year this is the first time it happened

covert linden Jul 8, 2019, 8:03 PM

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And youve tried restarting the system right

vocal shard Jul 8, 2019, 8:03 PM

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yep

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tried

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also the oculus OVRserver is using alot of gpu

inner cape Jul 8, 2019, 8:08 PM

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60% on a 1050

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that's magic

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my old 1050ti went up to 90

vocal shard Jul 8, 2019, 8:09 PM

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ye but idk never had it

inner cape Jul 8, 2019, 8:09 PM

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what's its usually at?

vocal shard Jul 8, 2019, 8:09 PM

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20 -25

inner cape Jul 8, 2019, 8:10 PM

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VRC_Thinking

vocal shard Jul 8, 2019, 8:10 PM

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and im getting blackscreen in my headset cause of it

covert linden Jul 8, 2019, 8:11 PM

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I mean its underspec so I can see why itd be hifh

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high

vocal shard Jul 8, 2019, 8:11 PM

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ye but still like i said never had the problem

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first time it happened

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i was playing just fine before

heavy dawn Jul 8, 2019, 8:13 PM

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Might be a CPU bottleneck too. I have a 2070 and my Vive greys out unless I massively overclock my CPU. 🤷

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Not constantly but if Windows decides to be busy with something else while I'm playing.

vocal shard Jul 8, 2019, 8:14 PM

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ye also the oculus ovrserver is getting 20 cpu usage

inner cape Jul 8, 2019, 8:14 PM

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how are you getting such numbers with that hardware, they're so low D:

vocal shard Jul 8, 2019, 8:14 PM

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iidk man

heavy dawn Jul 8, 2019, 8:14 PM

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20% CPU usage might mean one core pinned at 100%.

tacit plank Jul 8, 2019, 8:15 PM

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My 2070 runs at like 15% in desktop mode, don't know about VR, but not a lot. 150% supersampling too

heavy dawn Jul 8, 2019, 8:15 PM

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If you right click the CPU graph in task manager and select Logical Processors you can see.

vocal shard Jul 8, 2019, 8:15 PM

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ok

heavy dawn Jul 8, 2019, 8:15 PM

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caffeine: Yeah me too.

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caffeine: VRChat never uses even a fraction of the video card.

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Before the updates it barely used any CPU either but mysteriously ran like crap.

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But that was because everything was all stuck on 1 thread 🤷

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... on a bulldozer

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Anyway the above is kind-of a tangent and the point is that there might be more than just the video card at work here. What CPU do you have TheBigGamer?

ruby needle Jul 8, 2019, 8:19 PM

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So basically on 50% of a core

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cirBaka

vocal shard Jul 8, 2019, 8:19 PM

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im using a nvidia 1050 and a intel core i5 7th gen

heavy dawn Jul 8, 2019, 8:20 PM

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Yeah? Which i5? Base clock?

vocal shard Jul 8, 2019, 8:20 PM

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never really looked at were to find it XD

heavy dawn Jul 8, 2019, 8:21 PM

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Task Manager will tell you on the Performance tab under the CPU section.

vocal shard Jul 8, 2019, 8:22 PM

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intelr core i5 7300HQ cpu 2,50 ghz

ornate finch Jul 8, 2019, 8:23 PM

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have you tried restarting oculus?

vocal shard Jul 8, 2019, 8:23 PM

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yep

heavy dawn Jul 8, 2019, 8:23 PM

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So your base clock and boost clock speed are both slower than my CPU's base clock speed.

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🤷

ornate finch Jul 8, 2019, 8:24 PM

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i doubt %usage is at play here

heavy dawn Jul 8, 2019, 8:24 PM

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Yeah your system may have just been super lucky to have good performance before.

ornate finch Jul 8, 2019, 8:24 PM

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is your sensor for the rift working fine?

vocal shard Jul 8, 2019, 8:24 PM

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yes

ornate finch Jul 8, 2019, 8:25 PM

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like for detecting when your face is nearby

vocal shard Jul 8, 2019, 8:25 PM

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ye its workin fine

ornate finch Jul 8, 2019, 8:26 PM

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🤔 restart your pc?

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i assume you did though rofl

vocal shard Jul 8, 2019, 8:26 PM

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tried already i tried so much

ornate finch Jul 8, 2019, 8:26 PM

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update drivers?

vocal shard Jul 8, 2019, 8:26 PM

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yep already did that

heavy dawn Jul 8, 2019, 8:28 PM

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Try running resource monitor (it's found in the performance tab of task manager) while you're playing VR. See what the values are when it goes down.

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It'll keep a more comprehensive graph of what's going on and should be better for helping you figure out what's going wrong. It will do networking and everything.

vocal shard Jul 8, 2019, 8:28 PM

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aight il try

heavy dawn Jul 8, 2019, 8:30 PM

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I'd even try running speccy or somethign else that tells you temperature and see if your video card is just running hot or something too... 🤷

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Maybe your computer has a colony of dust bunnies inside. 😄

vocal shard Jul 8, 2019, 8:32 PM

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could be gonna try cleaning it maybe helps

heavy dawn Jul 8, 2019, 8:33 PM

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Reset your avatar to one of the Quest friendly ones too just in case. I don't know if you use a model with 5M polys or something. 🤣

vocal shard Jul 8, 2019, 8:34 PM

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not that much XD

heavy dawn Jul 8, 2019, 8:35 PM

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I wish they would allow more than the like 15 avatar faves you get. It's not like a list of IDs takes much space to store.

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Might slow down loading of the dialogue somehow though.

vocal shard Jul 8, 2019, 8:35 PM

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ye they should have more but oh welps who are we to say

hasty fossil Jul 8, 2019, 8:56 PM

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how many hours of playing do you need to get trusted user?

vocal shard Jul 8, 2019, 8:56 PM

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depends if you make avatars or worlds

hasty fossil Jul 8, 2019, 8:57 PM

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so if i make tonnes of avatars i can get trusted user?

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or worlds

vocal shard Jul 8, 2019, 8:57 PM

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ye and the playtime off course but the playtime depends on the amount of avatars

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but you need to be user rank to upload avatars

hasty fossil Jul 8, 2019, 8:58 PM

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so yeah

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is that the blue or the green colour?

vocal shard Jul 8, 2019, 8:58 PM

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green

hasty fossil Jul 8, 2019, 8:58 PM

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how long does that take?

vocal shard Jul 8, 2019, 8:58 PM

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idk to be honest

frosty veldt Jul 8, 2019, 8:58 PM

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You can upload as new user, only people that can't upload are visitors, you'll get a message in game when you are allowed to upload

hasty fossil Jul 8, 2019, 8:59 PM

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i have been playing for a while now and im still visitor

vocal shard Jul 8, 2019, 8:59 PM

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o ok never were a new user rank so idk imediatly became a trusted

covert linden Jul 8, 2019, 8:59 PM

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Trusted can take around 700 but its not time basef

astral elm Jul 8, 2019, 9:00 PM

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i just have a quick question if vrchat is still supported on mac because i used to play it on that, but my friend who is trying to play it isnt able to

frosty veldt Jul 8, 2019, 9:00 PM

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From me and my friends the range is 400-1000 depending on other factors, just raw playtime isn't a good indicator

covert linden Jul 8, 2019, 9:01 PM

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@astral elm no its not