vrchat-general-2

[idle nova]

I couldn't see anyone when everyone was using Cube's shaders because of the AMD bug

[frosty veldt]

Is it not cool to use cubed anymore? Am I out of the loop?

[meager solstice]

personally i havent used cubed in a long time

but i think it is still fine to use

[opaque hawk]

Nothing wrong with it. I like it, but I use silents toon shader because it is basically cubed with more options

[vocal shard]

Hi !

[frosty veldt]

I use cubed on any kind of anime but cibbi's on warframes for the different maps. A bunch of other shaders give a bunch of options which I don't care much for

[vocal shard]

i have a problem i cant build and upload skin, how to fix that ?

[idle nova]

It's fine, there was just a while when I was new where cubed had a bug where it wouldn't render on AMD GPUs

[opaque hawk]

Be more specific @vocal shard

[idle nova]

I think now there's just more variety in shaders people use

[opaque hawk]

Also there is a channel for those questions #avatars-2-general

[frosty veldt]

Yeah it's good that we have more shader gurus coming out with stuff people can use

[opaque hawk]

One thing I discovered is that manually changing vertex normals is really useful on anime avatars so you can prevent disgusting shadows on certain places, but still have shadows on the entire avatar.

ArcSys does this on their 3D games, helps keep the illusion of a 2D object, but still dynamic and fitting in the scene

[boreal kelp]

What's the difference with Polyomi and Silent's mod over the Cubed shaders

[opaque hawk]

Never used the former

From what I’ve seen poiyomi has really neat emission options

[surreal shale]

when is the website update happening? i still see the old one

[ruby needle]

well you see the old one again

[still lark]

@boreal kelp They're all different, use what fits the avatar the best

[ruby needle]

carefully points towards server outages

[surreal shale]

oh so it got reverted because of the outages?

[ruby needle]

Well, it got reverted. Wether or not there is a connection is nothing i know off 👀

[surreal shale]

oh okie

[vocal shard]

[boreal kelp]

The Cubed shaders don't make my model look less "plastic" so I might give the Polyomi and Silent shaders a shot

[main leaf]

yo im getting fullbody but i cant buy the tracker straps

it dosen't ship to my country, i looked at the vive store and amazon neither dosen't work, amazon dosen't ship to me and vive tracker straps didnt even show up in the EU

[indigo fern]

make your own, use velcro, use rubber bands, honestly anything that keeps them on your foot

[main leaf]

Rather have real tracker straps though :/

[rigid crescent]

Well...you just said they're not an option lol

[carmine acorn]

ok so

[opaque hawk]

The vive trackers use a standard tripod thread if you decide to make something

[carmine acorn]

i just recently got trackstraps but

I ziptied my hip tracker to my belt, and tied my trackers to my shoes with my shoelaces

[main leaf]

i can buy the tracker straps but vive store and amazon dosen't let me so my question is.. is there any other store i could look into i live within the EU

[opaque hawk]

Duct tape + Velcro tape

[tacit plank]

How do you send RPCs with an animation?

[meager solstice]

What amazon have u tried @main leaf

If u order from the German one... u should be able to get the straps, it’s what all my EU friends do

[main leaf]

oh ok thanks wigma ill try¨

[carmine acorn]

https://www.amazon.de/Rebuff-Reality-Spurband-für-VIVE-Tracker/dp/B07C6RLN1Z/ref=sr_1_3?__mk_de_DE=ÅMÅŽÕÑ&crid=2O9WMIE4RWHTW&keywords=vive+tracker+straps&qid=1561675441&s=gateway&sprefix=vive+track%2Caps%2C239&sr=8-3

https://www.amazon.de/Rebuff-Reality-Trackstrap-pack-Tracker-schwarz/dp/B07114L4CH/ref=sr_1_2?__mk_de_DE=ÅMÅŽÕÑ&crid=2O9WMIE4RWHTW&keywords=vive+tracker+straps&qid=1561675441&s=gateway&sprefix=vive+track%2Caps%2C239&sr=8-2t

Try these maybe?

[wispy gulch]

lotta new users with names that make me wonder if there's a naughty filter for such things

[ruby needle]

if the name is inapropriate, report the user for an inapropriate name via the ingame report function

[wispy gulch]

well, judgement call? like "Rectal" something something?

various body parts

I am not offended but i just wondered

[rigid crescent]

I mean if you report it it isn't an auto-punishment. They'll look at it and be like "oh no big deal:

and it'll fall through

so honestly as long as it isn't excessive or malicious i see no reason not to just report stuff that you think mgiht be borderline

[wispy gulch]

ok

plus it will raise my trust level 😉

[tacit plank]

Is VRChat 90% boys or do girls just not join my group?

[grand zealot]

Girls are gay. You'll live.

[slate verge]

you are probably looking at the wrong place and or your group is creepy, no offense.

[tacit plank]

Well we hang out in F+ so maybe we just didn't meet many

[earnest cloud]

whyyy soo manyyyyyy time outtt??????

[slate verge]

i thought everything was fixed

[earnest cloud]

never

[worthy oracle]

[vocal shard]

how long do i usually have to tinker with the unity project until im allowed to publish?

No no, it's saying you need to play vrchat for a while to be able to publish

oh ok

that message is confusing :/

It could be worded better, yeah

[slate verge]

@vocal shard just play vrchat until vrchat game see's you as a regular user

[vocal shard]

so blue tag?

[slate verge]

yes

[vocal shard]

okie

[median basalt]

Voice still isn't coming from the head. https://vrchat.canny.io/bug-reports/p/voice-not-coming-from-head-when-leaning

[onyx brook]

[wispy knoll]

That sucks.

[dense hull]

So I was in a pretty crowded server in The Pug, and I wanted to take a picture.
So I used VRChat's built-in camera, and it froze my game. I guess it was expected, considering that I'm playing on a laptop

[mighty cradle]

shrekt

just use printscreen

use shift+F8 to remove your bor- oh

[dense hull]

Or steam's built-in screenshot taker

Which is what I usually use

[mighty cradle]

^

I wonder how much of a celebrity a steam-only Trusted would be...

[vocal shard]

is it normal for unity to show the skin texture as a purple even though textures are there?

[tacit plank]

It might not be assigned

[wispy gulch]

looks like the most reason of unity on vrchat.net is not the one mentioned in the docs

[faint skiff]

Plus it's much easier to take a screenshot with Steam as you don't need to bring up anything before hand to do it.

[odd beacon]

Were the website changes rolled back?

[vocal shard]

Yeah

[odd beacon]

What for?

[vocal shard]

Something didn't work as expected I guess. It's coming back, just needs to be fixed

[odd beacon]

Ah

[pallid flicker]

did you guys get tickets?

[boreal kelp]

I was working on a gun fire animation for my avatar but the game fails to load the VRChat home world

Other worlds seem to load okay like the Pug

[pallid flicker]

but did you get tickets....?

[boreal kelp]

Never mind, it's working now

[agile ledge]

i love it when someone spams the reset button in the presentation room fun

[zealous fiber]

Does giving or getting warnings mess with your rank in vrc?

[wispy gulch]

i don't know we can ask that 😄

[vocal shard]

Which world you can see crashers or cancers?:
The Box

[rough flax]

Smells fishy :vrpill:

[dark harness]

Why were the website changes rolled back?
A few reasons!

1. people who were not going online or going offline were broadcasting tonnes of "I AM NOW ONLINE" messages for some reason
2. the client was getting a tonne of messages that it didn't understand "x is now online? what does that even MEAN?" and while I had primed the client team to expect some "unknown message type" errors, they were getting SO MANY that it was causing frames to drop, which bad
3. the sheer number of bad "I AM NOW ONLINE" messages were starting to overload some of our core messaging systems

This gave me a lot of opportunities for reflection and solemn quietude and definitely not a day of staring at the offline/online analyzer code with a single bloodshot eye shouting "WHY WON'T YOU WORK"

[wispy gulch]

awwwwwwww

[dark harness]

I fixed the other systems early on - there's a new block that'll keep the client from getting messages it can't understand yet, and the messaging systems now have saner (lower) message caps to keep them from rolling over under stress. Soon I'm going to have to pick a time when not a lot of people are online and flush all of the messages sitting on that server, which will cause THREE MINUTES OF WEIRDNESS

but the offline/online analyzer code, that's a particularly fun and dumb bug

I built the code on my single-node laptop, handing it over to the scheduling subsystem under the assumption that it would hand it to the same server every time and that it would be able to use a small amount of local memory in its calculations

Then I checked the scheduling subsystem to make sure that it does, in fact, hand any task it's given over to the same server every time

Then it worked fine on my single-node laptop, running just the one node as it does, and in a dev environment where we have a very very small number of nodes because dev is a toaster

aaaaanyhoo: upon closer inspection I accidentally copy-pasted in a bit of code that was like "hey scheduling subsystem, run this on a random node"

which made the "local memory" completely unpredictable

and so it was never really sure if you were freshly online or if you'd been online for hours

it's extra dumb because I wrote both the scheduling subsystem AND the bit of code that runs things on a random node, so if anybody should have seen that coming it'd be me

(several minutes of long-winded gobbledygook later) anyways I think I've fixed it enough to take another crack at deploying it soon, but if this next try goes badly it might need to brew in dev a little longer

[torn nebula]

Suggestion: for your dev environment consider using a larger number of nodes, each of which is downgraded from a toaster to, say, a hand warmer ;)

[dark harness]

😄 hah

[wispy gulch]

how much of this work is JS?

[dark harness]

it's a careful balance because we want dev to be nice and nimble for quick deploys
and also we want dev to be so, so cheap to run
so we run 1 node for local dev, 3 nodes in dev, and (a great holy heck-many) in production

and Almost All Of It

[wispy gulch]

just curious. i'm a JS evangelist 😄

[torn nebula]

@dark harness there's something to be said for a single host running thirty nodes at much smaller heap settings than normal :)

Where that host can be your local box

[dark harness]

I came in to this company as a long-term serious grim-faced Pythonista and ...
... my first task involved porting something key over to javascript...
and I was like "welp, I guess I'm going to have to become a javascript server developer"
and then I did
so the codebase is ringed, like an ancient oak, with the oldest and most crucial parts of the system also the things that I wrote at my very most naive

[wispy gulch]

so is most / all of vrchat running as NodeJs?

[dark harness]

I cannot confirm or deny that that is definitely the case >_>

[torn nebula]

But yeah I feel your pain. Having an at scale test environment is a rare luxury

[wispy gulch]

is the company remote or have an office? no reason for asking 😄

if it really is all NodeJs backends/ etc, i squee

i will observe the overly pretty console information and data flows (cough) not that i haven't casually looked at it 😄

[dark harness]

We're totally remote

I think at one point or another some of our more rabid fans have tried to find our head office but I'm pretty sure it's just, like, a sign that says "VRChat" on it and nothing else.

I've never even seen it

[wispy gulch]

from what i can observe, without seriously digging, it's pretty. thank you.

[dark harness]

Aww, thanks. 😃

[wispy gulch]

give me a few more months or longer, i'll even do PR reviews sometimes, maybe.

assuming that's a thing 😉

linkedin is nearly 100% node js and tight apis.

[vocal shard]

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[wispy gulch]

talk about problems. i can barely run it on atari 2600

[vocal shard]

What's wrong with your controlls?

[still lark]

That's actually so cursed

[vocal shard]

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By default the wmr controls work exactly like Vive controllers. So yeah. VRChat doesn't have native wmr controller support for the thumbsticks. In steamvr you can use community controller bindings. I use those for mine so my thumbsticks work for movement

I would recommend turning on Vive advanced controlls as well in the VRChat setting window

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[polar jasper]

Just caught up on the server talk. You must really enjoy working on this System.

Been working on my website project a while and I really enjoy working with the servers and setting it up. Rapid Deployment is so fun and easy ^_^

[hollow breach]

I like turtles

[inner cedar]

Anyone know how to type an underscore or an exclamation mark when logging in using the oculus quest? the keyboard isnt showing those lol \

[willow ravine]

@hollow breach tawtles or turtles?

[brittle grail]

Does anyone know how long I have to wait to upload an avatar?

[novel crystal]

Anyone know how to type a ! (exclamation mark?

[polar jasper]

@inner cedar The keyboard should be similar to this on Quest https://i.imgur.com/FtKvRRV.png ?

@brittle grail There is no set time. Just play the game, friend people, join worlds and you'll eventually get it

[brittle grail]

Awesome! Thanks for the quick response

[sonic verge]

i think its just about pass 24h since the website revert, is it going to be changed back to the updated one anytime soon?

[rigid crescent]

no one really knows

[polar jasper]

Once they are sure it won't happen again we will get it

[fallow basin]

Are the Valve index controllers supported on the moment? Cant move, not sure if have to do something first.

[faint skiff]

They are, I was speaking to someone using them last night

[fallow basin]

mm, check again. Do i need to make new avatars for finger tracking btw?

[polar jasper]

Make sure you read this: https://docs.vrchat.com/docs/valve-index

[fallow basin]

Works now😊 https://youtu.be/Kojs6-ATGbs?t=108

[hardy bay]

Is world loading really slow rn for everyone or is it just for me?

[open crystal]

hey guys can someone help me with this infinity loading screen...pls

idk what to do

[rotund wren]

Restart ya game m8

[half dust]

Yeet

[mighty mesa]

i'm having so much fun being sent to my own house by modded clients and being crashed

iTS So much fun

[steep turret]

lol

[vocal shard]

is anyone here know To Aru Majutsu no Index

im looking for those avatar characters

[hushed harness]

i'm having so much fun being sent to my own house by modded clients and being crashed
iTS So much fun - IGN 10/10

[rigid crescent]

Stop going to the box then lol

[steep turret]

didnt you complain about that with the exact same wording already

oh wait that was someone else

[rigid crescent]

If you get all your friends to come on and spam the same message then devs will fix it

Duh

[steep turret]

my brain u__u

thats a myth. they obviously make everything worse.

[mighty cradle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/379536677758304256/594180326230720543/unknown.png glamour shot, cause reasons

[sonic verge]

loading loops smh

is there really no fix to loading loops client side?

[languid beacon]

Gabe Newell just confirmed via email that more than one Valve Index is intended to be referred to as Valve Indices rather than Valve Indexes.

[sonic verge]

jeez vrchat really dont want me in today, restarted my game about 7 times and im still in the loop

[vocal shard]

well at least you're not BSoD'ing ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[ripe mist]

i got a problem with my oculus rift Controller can someone help me "Private message me"

[mighty cradle]

@vocal shard i haven't panicked once

buh my drivers have lost their shit twice

[vocal shard]

@mighty cradle I've been crashed several times by multiple people. Only once seen the bsod once likely due to a crash client.

[mighty cradle]

i can't bsod

that's not a featue of what i am using

but i've had to kick x over a couple times

[vocal shard]

Careful there

Modded clients will get you banned

[sonic verge]

lemme DDoS dis shiz so i can login probably lol

[mighty cradle]

i am not using a modded client...

[vocal shard]

Overheard a group of people discussing a new crasher client in a room though

Have recorded proof, apparently there's a client that allows you to log people out of their accounts

[mighty cradle]

all the crashers that have affected me so far made my drivers barf

[vocal shard]

Sounded like bs to me too. But dunno

[mighty cradle]

required an x restart, but that's not a system reset

[vocal shard]

I have 64GB of RAM so I tell them good luck

[mighty cradle]

16 here

without windows' overhead

[vocal shard]

System only tells me the game stopped responding and then it closes itself after a few

[mighty cradle]

me not being able to bsod has to do with the os i have

[sonic verge]

20ish restarts now, still looping like a mofo lol

[steep turret]

big rip my guy

[sonic verge]

imma just leave this for the next hour, lets see if i can even go to my homeworld

[steep turret]

i wish u luck

[frosty veldt]

Getting logged out was something that could happen like a year ago so I don't see why that would really go away

Always gonna be new clients and new idiots that use em anyways

[pastel galleon]

Vrchat recently has been very susceptible to packet loss, you're gonna loop all day without a stable connection

[sonic verge]

i can confirm you very easily my connections probably one of the fastest in the country on most times

i wouldnt be talking here if its shit

[pastel galleon]

Fast doesn't mean stable

[candid sundial]

yup take for example Charter Spectrum, in my area is fast but is hit and miss

[vocal shard]

nani

[candid sundial]

the speed can go all over the place and so can latency. sometimes even network outages is possible

it is a known thing here, but it is the only decent provider if you dont want DSL like speeds

[pastel galleon]

I have a horrible dsl lol, it still lets me play vrc but models and worlds are super slow, so I just use mobile data to play

It's still pretty stable surprisingly

[mighty cradle]

@candid sundial measure your packet loss

[lone harness]

@candid sundial Corps hey I have charter as well!

[candid sundial]

i probably will later

[atomic tusk]

I have charter...only other choice is AT&T which is gawdawful

[meager solstice]

i have at&t and i actually like them alot

[formal anvil]

Is the website down?

Or is my wifi that bad

[polar jasper]

Your wifi is bad

[formal anvil]

damn

[thorny olive]

Can anyone tell me how to fix this issue im having. So i have a model and whenever i put dynamic bones on the boobs it clips out of the shirt

[mighty cradle]

👀

someone in china would call that a feature

but there's also more technical channels around

try asking in those @thorny olive

[torn nebula]

@thorny olive #avatar-rigging would be your best bet, you'll need to fix the weight painting on the clothing

[thorny olive]

@torn nebula what exactly is weight painting

[torn nebula]

@thorny olive it's the process where you set up what bones control what parts of your model

[thorny olive]

Isn't that editing the size of the clothes

[torn nebula]

Basically configuring how different parts of the model move

[thorny olive]

The clothes are already big

[torn nebula]

Nope, weight painting doesn't change the neutral (t-pose) appearance

Just how things deform

[thorny olive]

This is a pain in my ass

How will i possibly know when its fixed

[torn nebula]

You'd be testing in blender as you adjust the weight paint

[thorny olive]

Its not like blender has dynamic bones though

[pastel galleon]

you'll test by moving connected bones

[thorny olive]

Go in sound settings and select the headset and mic ur using as a default

Then restart vrc

[pastel galleon]

didn't they fix the mic change 🤔

[velvet quarry]

The inability to change microphones should've been fixed with the Unity upgrade a patch or two ago.

[thorny olive]

Oh yeah thats right

[pastel galleon]

a friend of mine still had to restart for it to work but I personally never tested it, should be fixed tho

[thorny olive]

Took em multiple months to fix audio so dumb

[velvet quarry]

It was a problem with that Unity LTS version, the VRC team had to wait for Unity to release a new LTS version that fixed it.

[rigid crescent]

Because it's a unity version issue not game issue

[pastel galleon]

2017 btw lol

[rigid crescent]

Had nothing to do with VRC. Township had the same issue

[velvet quarry]

In general, VRC currently runs on LTS versions for stability, once 2018 LTS gets released there's a good chance we'd move over to it.
Disclaimer however, I am not part of the VRChat team and don't know the exact plans.

[rigid crescent]

Why would you want a constantly updating unity version 🤔

[thorny olive]

We can do more things

[rigid crescent]

The LTS releases make sure shit is more stable tho

Otherwise we're just updating versions e every few weeks/months

[surreal panther]

any one else having issues getting on vrc right now?

[umbral reef]

@velvet quarry Just as a heads up 2018 lts is released (more then one it seems as I just checked* but eh)
But it's still a fair amount of work to make the jump so they don't want to do it because of that

It's less of a jump from non lts to a lts version but it's still a fair bit of work

[velvet quarry]

I imagine so yeah, it probably won't ever be an "instant" change, but I would imagine it's still the intention to move over to it at some point, but probably not for a bit.

[umbral reef]

Well yea

[surreal panther]

i get send to a white room with a message "oops something went wrong try changing worlds"

[velvet quarry]

As unhelpful as it may be, I seem to be able to join and change worlds without any issue at the moment.

How's your disk space? Is your cache full?

[surreal panther]

i keep getting send to the white room and no images for rooms friends or avatars are loading

cleaned not to long ago

[analog matrix]

Make sure your PC can handle ir

[surreal panther]

didnt have this issue before so ndle it

handle*

i tried clearing cache restarting steam and my pc still the same

[mighty cradle]

english?

[slender dirge]

i updated my base stations as it was prompted on steam VR after connecting my new index controllers... now the base stations wont turn on anymore.... thanks tupper

[rigid crescent]

RIP

[torn nebula]

Updating base station firmware? Guess I'm going to need to find a really long USB cable...

[ruby needle]

Or.. Take it down and to the pc?

[fervent tree]

Is nobody else able to load the website?

I'd like to see which of my friends are online, but meh

[idle nova]

Site loads for me

[fervent tree]

Even using different internet browsers doesen't help

[idle nova]

On the same PC? Might be your ISP

[torn nebula]

@ruby needle then I have to recalibrate it :(

[idle nova]

Try accessing it from your phone not on WiFi

[torn nebula]

Maybe it'll auto calibrate if I take down one at a time and let a tracker see all four after each one is done

[rigid crescent]

That's a thing?

I just put mine back up

[idle nova]

What's a thing?

[torn nebula]

@rigid crescent with four base stations it definitely does some degree of comparison between pairs of bases and adjusts their position

Just not sure how effective it is

[rigid crescent]

It's like triangulation but with 4 things !

Quadangulation

[rigid crescent]

Random thought, but trust settings depending on the type of room you're in would be nice.

[rigid crescent]

I might when I get home or I might start drinking. Who knows~

[vocal shard]

heyo

what headset do you use for vr chat?

[blissful jackal]

heyo

[vocal shard]

heyo

[nimble sierra]

Anyone know the user MikoriVR

[vocal shard]

ive seen that name earlier today but then I crashed. im on the quest

[nimble sierra]

He stole my avatar...

[mighty cradle]

got cloning off?

is said avatar available in a world?

[nimble sierra]

It's a private avatar

[mighty cradle]

cloning on or off?

[nimble sierra]

Private avatars can't be cloned

[still lark]

So is cloning on or off? 😉

[nimble sierra]

...

Off

[rigid crescent]

Gotta report vis email

[mighty cradle]

private avatars can be cloned, if you don't set their cloning off... though 🤔 maybe that means it's private, haven't ever uploaded but

[still lark]

I was joking

[mighty cradle]

i also have run into a glitch whereby i had a brief window to clone a private avatar

[still lark]

No such thing Cheetah

[blissful jackal]

well, there is, but it should have been patched a long time ago

[mighty cradle]

/shrug

idk then

[grizzled cargo]

sitting at 180 ping in the uk, this standard at the moment?

[tacit plank]

Private setting overrules "enable avatar cloning"

[mighty cradle]

hmm

[merry perch]

Someone, anyone. I need a just dance for VR

[tranquil sequoia]

VRChat shouldn't allow people to join worlds hosted by people they've blocked

[slate verge]

that wouldn't work

vrchat isn't supposed to fix limiting access to worlds just because other people hate other people

[nimble sierra]

The guy that stole my avatar had to do it at least a month ago cause I've been afk for a while and just got a notification from the guy I bought it from that it was spotted

[sick lotus]

Anyone having dc issues with the game?

[willow ravine]

@sick lotus past couple of days, ye. try clearing your download cache, helped me

[sick lotus]

Guess i will do that thank you

[lofty ridge]

yo does anyone know any good information sources/articles or resources where i can find info on what headset setup would be best for me? Im gonna purchase my first headset

[slate verge]

@lofty ridge its based on preferences. People says buying the rift is good enough, some prefer the vive for full body tracking and then there are those that says they'll wait patiently for the index.

[hot prairie]

@lofty ridge it depends on what you want and what you can do

[lofty ridge]

ah okay. i feel bad asking for help since yall probally get asked like 101001010 times

[hot prairie]

do inside-out tracking if having sensors placed around the room isn't viable

[slate verge]

If you just want hands that are vr only, go for the rift.
If you want full body tracking with hands, go for the vive.
The index is like rift, but also like the vive and compatible with full body tracking. But not release yet or so i was told.

[lofty ridge]

ah i see

i am still not sure how tracking works, and i cant really find a clear article on it

[simple shore]

How do you remove a personal avatar? (Please @ me)

[hot prairie]

inside-out tracking uses cameras at the front of your headset to track your hands instead of having tracking boxes in the room actively scanning your body

[slate verge]

the vive has terrible controllers according to reviewers, so you can upgrade the vive controllers to index controllers in the future.

and thats it, you get the most out of full vr experience with that budget

[hot prairie]

but is less accurate

[lofty ridge]

ah i see

so it seems like controllers is the way to go

awe man im so exicited

[slate verge]

@simple shore in unity, hover the vrc sdk thing and you should see where you manage your inventory or something like that i forgot

[simple shore]

Oh, like I exported an avatar and it doesnt work, can I delete it?

[slate verge]

yeah of course

[lofty ridge]

i wish more stores would demo vr headsets

[slate verge]

@lofty ridge index doesn't come with full body tracking, but is compatible with vive hence why i prefer buying the vive first. Only sucky thing with vive is the poor controllers and you can just buy the index controllers individually.

[lofty ridge]

ah okay i see

so overall it seems like the vive would be something i most intersted in because i eventually want to get to full body tracking

[slate verge]

thats only if you want vr as soon as possible, do this way for full vr experience.

[mighty cradle]

@lofty ridge correction: a steamvr compatible headset

[slate verge]

or unless if you're rich you can still wait for the index

[lofty ridge]

nah i aint rich

[slate verge]

😂

[lofty ridge]

i work tho so its not a worry

if i save up.

[slate verge]

yeah

[lofty ridge]

@mighty cradle wym?

also im on the website and theres like 500 different models

yo they really made a 1600 dollar headset who buys this shit

[mighty cradle]

translation: anything that uses steamvr can use full body tracking

[rigid crescent]

people with money lol

[slate verge]

only rich people

[rigid crescent]

you don't have to be rich to afford expensive things 👀

[mighty cradle]

well, the pimax 8k costs a pretty penny...

[slate verge]

well yeah some people are able to barely afford it with just budgets

[queen mango]

Enthusiasts also buy those kinds of headsets.

[lofty ridge]

im excited to see what happens when vr becomes more mainstream and we get more options

[queen mango]

They're probably a lot of them, since there is a big demand despite the high prices.

[lofty ridge]

also for a pink headset smh :angrycry:

[queen mango]

Hmm.. that would be nice. VR's still in its young age, though.

[lofty ridge]

mhmmm

i think im gonna buy used

[rigid crescent]

much safer buying it new

[lofty ridge]

oh shit wait do these headsets usually go on sale during cyber monday/ black friday?

[rigid crescent]

i dont think any of them were on sale then

[lofty ridge]

😦

okay so 500

[slate verge]

yeah i don't remember vr headsets going for sale

[rigid crescent]

depends on which headset

[covert linden]

Wmr is 250

[lofty ridge]

i mean i am in the middle of getting a new job so i dont really have to worry about having a csmol paycheck anymore

[slate verge]

wmr is the very least and last resort for vr experience lmao

[lofty ridge]

because i can work weekdays since im not working out of state hell yeah 😎

honestly i wish the google daydream was compatiable

[covert linden]

I disagree fooni

I had the wmr and the rift and preferred the wmr..in fact I adore my wmr.

[slate verge]

yeah thats why i said last resort for me, if i couldn't afford the vive i would've turned to the wmr

[covert linden]

Vive has the lowest res on the market

[polar jasper]

@dark harness you doing updates again? 😁

[lofty ridge]

wait hol up

[slate verge]

since the rift is abit more expensive

[lofty ridge]

this wmr 🤔

doenst look like abad option for me

[covert linden]

Windows mixed reality

[slate verge]

windows mixed reality

[covert linden]

I love ir

[slate verge]

but it doesn't have fbt

[hot prairie]

WMR is cheaper and more convenient, at the cost of less tracking

[slate verge]

i mean its not a bad choice

[covert linden]

It is fbt compatible.irs just extraaa

No headset comes with fbt

[slate verge]

yeah

[covert linden]

Wmr is insant roomscale

[lofty ridge]

what does roomscale mean

[hot prairie]

tracks your position within a room

so you can move around

[slate verge]

it means you can play the headset in a big room and track you wherever you go

[rigid crescent]

if you've got steady disposable income, WMR isn't a bad place to dip your toes into VR

[vocal shard]

Wait WMR

[lofty ridge]

oh thats perfect bruh

[vocal shard]

never heard of it, but is it a better choice than the Rift?

[lofty ridge]

i literally have like 3-4 huge rooms in my house

[slate verge]

@vocal shard for budget price yes

[rigid crescent]

Well yo ustill need to be in range of your PC

Depends on who you ask ,some people have used both and prefer the WMR

[slate verge]

rift is more steadily players down the road

[hot prairie]

there is the Rift S which has inside-out tracking too

[slate verge]

a few weeks back i actually had enough to afford a wmr, but my dumbass prefer fbt

[vocal shard]

Huh alright, ill do a bit of research cause i wasn't 100% sure i wanted to blow 400$ for a rift after seeing some mixed feelings on it lol

[slate verge]

the four choice i saw awhile ago was, wmr, rift, vive and index

kinda hard to pinpoint what you want cuz people kept saying it depends on your preference

[vocal shard]

Looking at WMR, it says that the graphics are apparently better than Vive & Rift

[rigid crescent]

some are

[hot prairie]

Depends on the headset

[rigid crescent]

the issue is tracking is worse all around

[lofty ridge]

im shook

[hot prairie]

Odyssey+ is one of them

I think

[rigid crescent]

@vocal shard will shill you hardcore on WMR, he knows a lot about it

[hot prairie]

lol I watched his videos on it and it convinced me

[vocal shard]

Wait how many WMR headsets are there

I'm so braindead I shoulda done some beforehand research oop

[hot prairie]

Lenovo, HP, Acer, Samsung....

those are the brands i can think of at the top of my head

[gilded spade]

So have they updated something about the website?

[lofty ridge]

awe hell yeah! Guess what i just found out

[gilded spade]

since the annoucement i mean

[lofty ridge]

my brothers campus has VR headsets to rent

[vocal shard]

Bruh

Lucky what even

[lofty ridge]

thats so fucking sick i can go try out all the headsets

[hot prairie]

kool

[vocal shard]

So its definitely a given that WMR headsets can run games like VRchat

Or am i completely missing it because tech stuff goes wayyy over my head

[gilded spade]

nothing can run vrchat

[hot prairie]

Yeah, provided your PC can

[vocal shard]

Great ty, lol, excuse my lack of background info on this stuff

[hot prairie]

Keep in mind that WMR uses a lot more RAM

[vocal shard]

Yeet

[hot prairie]

I need to upgrade my 8gb of ram because WMR and SteamVR just eats up 25% of it

[vocal shard]

Jesus

[hot prairie]

It's different when you're running just Steam and a game

But now you have to run Steam, a game, WMR, and SteamVR

[rigid crescent]

There's no issue with most headsets "running" it, they're just monitors

[desert stratus]

WMR tracking isnt even bad, just limited is all. it can play any game just as fine as outside-in-tracked headsets unless you either

bring your hands close to your face
put them behind you

[slate verge]

@lofty ridge thats great! have fun

[rigid crescent]

the PC is the issue

[desert stratus]

which you usually dont have to do so often, and even so there's algorithms put in place to get around situations like that by most games, especially competitive ones

[vocal shard]

Oh i never bring my hands to my face when using VR just because ive whapped myself so many times

[desert stratus]

WMR is a fantastic buy if you primarily play VRC

[vocal shard]

Nor behind my back, so that's a perk i guess lol

Neat, then that's probably my best bet

[hot prairie]

Yeah and WMR has predictive tracking when it goes out of sight

if you swing it behind your back quickly then bring it back it tracks okay

[vocal shard]

Though I hope it can run Subnautica good enough

[desert stratus]

sadly you're probably gonna have to buy used tho since i dont think a single WMR headset is even produced anymore except samsung oddysey and O+

[vocal shard]

Really?

[desert stratus]

as well as reverb, but reverb doesnt count

[hot prairie]

Not really

There was a sale on Ebay for a $200 HP headset

[vocal shard]

Found one on amazon for around 270$

[hot prairie]

By HP themselves and it was new

[desert stratus]

huh. interesting

[vocal shard]

Acer AH101-D8EY

Though I'm always sketchy when it comes to online purchases

Just for the fact that anything can go wrong with shipping and no protection warranty

[desert stratus]

wouldnt reccommend HP tho. a lenovo explorer would be a pretty nice steal, but if all else fails you can always buy the O+ when it goes on sale for $300

i think the acer headset is alright. i think?

the dell headset is also an alright choice IIRC if that's still being sold

[vocal shard]

Where even are they sold in-stores, like I doubt Bestbuy but possibly Microcenter

Dunno if ya'll have those stores

[desert stratus]

no idea. i know you can get the rift S and quest in best buy / the windows store, but i think its more of a "come buy and pick it up" thing rather than you just being able to snag it off the shelf

[vocal shard]

"I quit my job, my girlfriend left me but it’s okay, I’m happy with my virtual gf and virtual job. All Vive and oculus games on steam have support for the WMR. ALL OF THEM EVEN SUPERHOT! BUY IT! I lost my house so I have to type this on a McDonald’s WiFi." best review ive ever seen

[desert stratus]

you're gonna have to order online most of the time

lmfao

[idle nova]

Maybe Microsoft store

Though most of the WMR headsets have been discontinued now

or you're paying retail price, which was always around $400

only the Samsung Odyssey+ and HP Reverb are in production, though the HP is $600 and has been having manufacturing issues I think

[vocal shard]

Looking into Samsung Odyssey which seems to be the same price as a regular Oculus

Or more oops

[desert stratus]

yeah if the WMR deals dont work out you can always buy a rift S

as for og rift and vive, i would not reccommend either of those in 2019 unless you could find either of them for less than $200 (or even less than $150 at this point) for the full package

[hot prairie]

don't forget there's a difference between odyssey and odyssey+

[vocal shard]

Currently looking at Odysessy+

[thin rover]

is anyone having trouble with the website right now? i'm trying to download the current SDK but it won't let me login. i've tried changing my password a few times as well as using my email versus my username.

[idle nova]

TBH I'd go with a Rift S over the Samsung

[desert stratus]

website is fine

[idle nova]

tracking and software are going to be better with Oculus

[minor locust]

oofies

[idle nova]

everyone I know with WMR always ended up complaining about the software and most switched to a different headset eventually

[vocal shard]

I went wmr, than Rift CV1, and then back to wmr. Another friend here went wmr, then Vive, and liked wmr better.

Between the rift S and wmr though, I do think rift S is a better product overall, but I love the Odyssey+ visuals too much

[slate verge]

hows the tracking though

[vocal shard]

I made a video on it. I like inside out. I've always said that.
Not as good as Vive, but it was good enough for me to switch back to wmr from 3 sensor rift. But it depends on what games you play.

Tbh I consider myself more casual. VRChat, beatsaber, recroom. I don't play anything super competitive that requires precise tracking behind you. So for me it works well enough. Depending on what games you play, everyone has different priorities

[desert stratus]

ayy, VRC and beatsaber and pavlov squad

VR enthusiast and i only ever play three games cuz im poor ayy yuh yuh

[slate verge]

i think i might only play vrc, and pavlov vr in the future. Maybe beatsaber, but thats about it.

[desert stratus]

four when boneworks comes out

[vocal shard]

But apparently rift S had a tracking update, so it can now track really close to the hmd and sensors where as wmr can have trouble there

[slate verge]

so whats your recommendation right now, try the rift s?

[vocal shard]

I personally would say if you can't get index, rift S. But I always try to recommend asking around and trying it yourself if you can.

[slate verge]

makes sense

[tacit plank]

How would I give a slowmotion-effect to my dynamic bones?

[slate verge]

i forgot, but its definitely one of the 4 option in dynamic bones

[wispy gulch]

if the rift-s has some good points (esp being $400 all day long); i'll probably buy that soon and save my pennies for 6 months and see where index vs vive pro ends up

vive has better towers it seems, but vive pro has an eco system that's good; index has higher frame rates but same rez - any other major things?

[desert stratus]

what do you mean by better towers? light houses?

[slate verge]

yeah

[desert stratus]

vive has 1.0 light houses, and 2.0's are just more convenient in every single way, i can hardly see them being worse than 1st gen

honestly i dont see index vs vive pro being a serious competition unless you count a one-sided crushing a competition, and with wireless being entertained as a potentially official module by valve the only thing that the vive pro can use to dig itself out of its imminent grave is that OLED panels have better contrast and black levels

if you're waiting to take a pick at high end VR after you buy a rift S, you're most likely going to be buying an index unless you have a very specific use case

[tacit plank]

Turned them all pretty far down, seems to have done the trick, thanks!
Now I have a brush which I can tickle people with

[wispy gulch]

mmm. i have a Quest now, not very interested in ALVR/etc except as a hack

Rift-S could be had tomorrow; has advantages for the long week of vacation and learning unity and building things. Index for long term i think.

it's a good time to have good choices.

[languid beacon]

So Index fingers use the muscle ranges from the bone bind screen in unity?

I don't have knuckles but i want to fix up avatars, is there any writeup on it?

[storm stag]

Ouu Website update is back.

[wispy gulch]

mmmm.

knuckles. terrible name for VR controllers 😄

[meager solstice]

❤ knuckles controllers

i will never call them index controllers

[storm stag]

Color it red.

[wispy gulch]

that is the way

[tacit plank]

That meme physically hurts me

[rigid crescent]

can we pls get 4k camera photos next, these 1080s are killing me

[flat siren]

How long does it take until you can upload your own models because I had to make a smurf and I have no clue how long

[tacit plank]

On desktop you can ctrl+screenshot key (F12?) to take 4K shots

On average it's like 20 hours

[flat siren]

Of having the account or playing?

[desert stratus]

depends

[tacit plank]

But that comes from playing, not being AFK

[desert stratus]

its not time based, ranking system is based on a lot of factors. the more you actually play the game and experience it (go to diff worlds, actually spend time in them, make more friends, talk to people), the quicker you get it

[tacit plank]

20 hours worth of actively doing things which increase your trust score. They're not official but you should be able to figure them out if you think a bit about it

[flat siren]

Well I will just sleep and love in the virtual space

[desert stratus]

having an actual VRChat acc instead of an oculus or steam acc helps immensely

[flat siren]

For 24 hours

[desert stratus]

you wont get it by sleeping sorry lol

[flat siren]

I have slept many many times in very

[desert stratus]

some poeple get new user 60+ hours in, some get it in 4 hours like me

[flat siren]

Especially in rec room, me and my friends had a pub I would sleep in

[desert stratus]

it all depends on what you do with ur time

[flat siren]

Okay

I never realized how crap rec room was until I met this game, I made my full transfer to a weaboo

Also thanks solar for the help

[desert stratus]

np ubu

[flat siren]

Lol

Socializing is weird and I am bad at it so vrchat is scary to me lmao... I just am bad at small talk

[vital rune]

is it still me or favoriting worlds is still a bitch

[desert stratus]

you dont really find a lot of "small talk" in vrc tbh

its more like shitposting live and deep / lengthy convos if you go around in public worlds

its a bit easier to chat up people in VRC than IRL since everyone in a public world is there to meet new people

or, 80% of em

[flat siren]

See I hate that, that’s why I make a whole bunch of jump-scare bois and go around scaring people as a convo starter

[desert stratus]

just open your mouth,things will go a lot better than expected 97% of the time

[flat siren]

I’m not that good at socializing

I was bullied most of my life

for being bi

Sad

[wispy gulch]

bummer

i'm tri

[tacit plank]

About 20% of VRChat players are alright with licking eachother in the face, I doubt you will be judged by many

[wispy gulch]

some vrc people need to learn some manners 😄

too bad there isn't an accumlative mechanism to paint people who annoy

[flat siren]

Lol yeah and yeah I just need to make some friends

[wispy gulch]

on the plus side, there's a lot of really good people i've met

[flat siren]

Noice

[tacit plank]

Yeah. Public and popular (both at once) worlds are terrible though

[wispy gulch]

best thing i like is finding a likeable crew , and doing some world hopping

[thorn spoke]

lol

[flat siren]

I made like 6 avatars but my vr is broken and even then I can’t upload anything yet

They are pretty good avatars though

Do any of you guys have vr? If so do you guys by any chance have the oculus s

[tacit plank]

I went to one, and in 5 minutes I had 3 people trying to crash me, and I saw 3 avatars with about half a million polygons and 200+ materials. And a few people were flying around with modded clients.
I love this game, almost 2500 hours played actively, but if I had joined that world when I started VRChat I would likely have quit then and there

[wispy gulch]

oculus s?

[vocal shard]

Rift S

[wispy gulch]

i'm likely to buy one to stay compatible (and portable) with Quest

[tacit plank]

So you need to find a friends group or something. It's not too amazing until then.
The Rift s should be pretty good, but if your mobo is weak (doesn't have high quality USBs with plently of power) you will run into issues

[flat siren]

Lmao and yeah the oculus rift s, and I wanna get more into this game but my damn oculus rift is broken and this would be the second time they are probably gonna replace it so I am going to ask for the oculus s

[wispy gulch]

i have a semi uber laptop now, so just need a starter VR for that

will probably have an Index before year end

[tacit plank]

Is there warranty on it? Should be 2 years by default

[flat siren]

Well I have a vr ready computer so I am good with the ports

[tacit plank]

"VR ready" doesn't even mean you can run VRChat lol

[wispy gulch]

i thought the Rift-S has a powered breakout box?

[flat siren]

Well

I can run a lot of games

Lol

[wispy gulch]

my computer is vr ready with the power off 😄

[vocal shard]

No, the rift S is just usb3 and display port.

[tacit plank]

Some people have issues where they hear a bang and their screen goes black, or that they sound like a robot. It's to do with not getting enough USB power or something. It only happens with Rift S

[vocal shard]

No breakout box

[flat siren]

Lol

[wispy gulch]

one could buy a powered external usb3 box then

[tacit plank]

My friend did, but he still has issues. It's weird. It's probably a rare thing but I wanted to warn you in case

[flat siren]

I just want this man that lives on the other side of the freakin planet to contact again because oculus support sucks

I wish I could afford the valve index

[tacit plank]

I think the Vive support is even worse. At least it used to be

[wispy gulch]

i suppose i'll get my Rift-S from Best Buy and make sure i can return it as needed

[flat siren]

Well htc vive and valve index are different companies but the htc was co owned by steam

[tacit plank]

Being able to return them is good. Then you're save for 2 years

safe*

[flat siren]

The only bad thing about the oculus s is the wire, which is fine, and the fact you can’t adjust the eye distance

[wispy gulch]

except in software

[flat siren]

I have had mine for 1 year and like 6 months

[vocal shard]

Rift S seems to work well for people 59-70 ipd based on user reports. Beyond that it's too much of a stretch

[flat siren]

Which I have in that range

So I am good

Screw anyone else, we are superior

[vocal shard]

Every day I jump back and forth.. "quest for portability, or rift S to upgrade from wmr"

I can't decide.

[slate verge]

decisions.....decisions....

[flat siren]

Go with rift s, that is what I chose because of steam be

vr ^

[covert linden]

I choose rift S too

[flat siren]

Better graphics, more games because of steam vr, higher res

[wispy gulch]

and now towers

[flat siren]

The oculus quest only has the portability

[wispy gulch]

that's really fun

[vocal shard]

I know the rift S is better. I just mean for use. I could get a Rift S and get a better experience, but have the same play schedule of 12 midnight. Or get a quest and play whenever while keeping my wmr for my normal play time

[flat siren]

But, if you are only gonna play like vr chat and maybe like super hot than go with the quest I guess because I mean both are on the store and yeah the graphics are a little worse but you can deal with it

[vocal shard]

[wispy gulch]

the game ports are pretty nice. beat saber is good.

[flat siren]

I have like 10 about to be 13 because of the summer sale, I am getting blades and sorcery and Skyrim vr and that one robot stealth game with the knifes, and I can’t give that up

Sorry sorry

Lmao

[vocal shard]

I have PCVR that works well. I just meant the question was to upgrade or have a great mobile one too.

I'll probably end up getting the quest

I travel

[flat siren]

What pcvr do you have now

[covert linden]

Travel with pc
He has wmr

[flat siren]

What is wmr

[vocal shard]

Rift CV1, and a couple WMR headsets.
(Most I got for cheap)

[covert linden]

Its a vr headset type

[flat siren]

Oh upgrade

[vocal shard]

Windows mixed reality. It's a high resolution inside out tracking headset from a few years ago

[flat siren]

upgrade!!!!

[covert linden]

Why

The wmr is really good

[vocal shard]

Not me

[flat siren]

My oculus rift has soooo many problems and I am having this one where my screen shows tv static and won’t stop so if they are going to give me a replacement, since this is my second time going through this, I am going to ask if I can get a better headset

[covert linden]

He uses wmr.more than rift

[vocal shard]

Oof, yeah

[flat siren]

Also my room looks like I am spying on anyone who comes in here because of the oculus camera

[rigid crescent]

lol

[flat siren]

And ooooh I just looked up what that headset was and okay just get the oculus quest for travel

[sweet nebula]

CV1 or S?

[covert linden]

Cv1

[flat siren]

I would show you what the cameras look like but I can take pictures in here

[sweet nebula]

I sold my CV1. Its a decent enough headset, but it had constant little problems here and there

[flat siren]

I know

[sweet nebula]

Vive Cosmos is coming soon, keep an eye out

Might not be expensive, who knows

[wispy gulch]

well, best buy is an "order and pickup" option. amazon it is, unless the local microsoft store wins 😉

[vocal shard]

True. HTC plz just release the specs already

[flat siren]

I am about to ask if instead of replacing it I can I have the oculus s in its place

[wispy gulch]

isn't the cosmos supposed to have an inboard pc?

or is it standalone?

[vocal shard]

No, it's a PC headset

It never was a standalone. But it's a common misconception

[sweet nebula]

The S still needs a lot of USB 3 bandwidth if what Ive been hearing is true

[flat siren]

How about that valve index; those knuckles are sexy af, I need them

[vocal shard]

Index is awesome, but so expensive

[sweet nebula]

Yes, Index is looking nice

[flat siren]

I know

[vocal shard]

And waiting list

[sweet nebula]

I reserved one

[flat siren]

Like lmao $999? I am broke what you mean

[tacit plank]

Any worlds with cool gimmicks?

[sweet nebula]

Oh, people who reserved and had an August estimated purchase time are getting purchase emails right now. Keep an eye on your inbox!

[flat siren]

I am checking my inbox at 1-4 in the morning for this man who emails me then because he is on the other freakin side of the PLANET

[vocal shard]

oop=

[flat siren]

Oculus support for ya

[wispy gulch]

caffeine the climbing world is nice, the racing world with monocycles is fun

[sweet nebula]

I miss when people used to hang out in avatar worlds. Raqoi's used to be filled to the brim with Nanachis.

Zarniwoop's had Nikos.

[vocal shard]

VRChat is ever evolving... Nostalgia may hit us ... But every day is a new experience
(Idk what I'm saying. Lol)

Nowadays ive only seen it filled at the Pug

[flat siren]

I just realized that you can’t use full body with the oculus s because you don’t have sensors you can trick anymore. You would actually have to buy sensors just for the experience

[vocal shard]

And yeah tbh when i first joined people still went in avatar worlds and just hung out lol

[sweet nebula]

I understand that nostalgia can cloud somebody's judgement, but for me its just like... you get in game, and all the people, they're either in a private world or in one of a small handful of public maps

You know the ones. Pug. Presentation Room. Mic night. I miss when the game was more open and socialable.

[flat siren]

I always get nostalgia when cracking open a craft Mac and cheese for the boys

[tacit plank]

Thanks Ferret

[vocal shard]

You couldn't really use full body with the CV1 either though 🤔
Without mixed Vive settup or something

[tacit plank]

Some publics are alright, but the big ones are horrible

[vocal shard]

I actually have craft and now i have the urge to make it

[flat siren]

There was some third party app I think where you can trick the sensors into thinking they are objects

[sweet nebula]

I usually hang in The Pug because its where everyone is nowadays

[vocal shard]

Same

[wispy gulch]

i don't see full body tracking being TOO useful, and if you needed it, i almost expect just adding lighthouses would do it?

[vocal shard]

But even then everyones just swarming in front of the mirror LOL

Half the guys i meet on VRchat have such thick accents I can't understand a shit thing coming out their mouth

[wispy gulch]

mmm, okay, cosmos is just inside out tracking. that probably will make it cheaper than $1400 for a vive pro

[sweet nebula]

Yeah, like 10 people in front of that tiny thing.

[vocal shard]

You could use one extra controller, but from everything I understood, that was the limit of the tracking system was one extra controller

[sweet nebula]

I'm getting Index + 3 trackers within the next month or two. I'm sure thats the plan for many

[wispy gulch]

the pug is okay if you can avoid the under 16 yos who are there only to upskirt

[sweet nebula]

Vive didnt seem worth its price, but Index does

[flat siren]

I usually hangout no where because I still haven’t played the game BECAUSE MY OCULUS IS BROKEN, thanks oculus, and the dude won’t email me until 1-4 in the morning and sometimes he doesn’t even do that

[vocal shard]

cough

yikes lol another oculus issue

I'm trying to find the best not 500$ headset so im varying between Oculus Rift s and WMR

[flat siren]

It is so rare of a problem and I hate it I just want him to ask me to send it in so they can replace it and i can ask for an upgrade since this IS THE SECOND TIME I HAVE HAD TO DO THIS

[vocal shard]

Then again those seem to be absolute crap as well from some people's opinions and experience with them but I'm a first-time VR user anyways

From a WMR fanboy.... Get the rift S.

Oop lmao then thats settled

Yeah my friend has the rift s and after researching about the WMR it seemed really like

[flat siren]

When they say to replace it I am going to ask for a oculus s

[vocal shard]

Strange; having to have multiple software open just to use it

Oculus is the same though. You need the Oculus client to run anything. Same you need the wmr portal to run anything

I know for the Oculus, but doesn't WMR need like, multiple ones though?

[flat siren]

Yeah but you just have to have that one home open and then steam

[vocal shard]

No

[flat siren]

That’s it and the game

That’s it

[vocal shard]

You need a driver from the steam store, but after that it's just the wmr portal and steam vr

[covert linden]

Just
Wmr portal > steam
Vs
Oculus client > steam if u usin steam

[vocal shard]

Also like with Oculus ive seen too many issues with tracking, it not plugging in and being responsive or whatnot that its like,

I'd be paying 500$ practically altogether for a replacement warranty

[flat siren]

See oculus has good headsets and good design for them, but, but the support is bad and so is the software

And the rift has so many problems

[polar jasper]

Nice one T 👍

[vocal shard]

When stuff first launches, there's usually some issues. Even the original rift had issues when it first launches, and then through updates it was fixed. They already did an update to the rift S tracking so now it accurately tracks really close to the sensors where it couldn't before

That's good.

Hey guys

I figure i'll break it when i smash my hand against a table tho

[flat siren]

Oculus needs to work on their support team lmao, and hi shadow Malik, how is your day going?

[fast bronze]

Lmfao "stability"

[vocal shard]

I'm okay, thinking about hopping on here in a bit before I go to bed

All companies ive ever tried to talk with need to up their support team

[flat siren]

Cool, sounds fun, I wish i could play but my oculus is spazzing out

It’s just they put so much effort and money into other important departments like development that they use all the scraps to make a support team and I am tired of it

[odd beacon]

In regards to the blog post, what's custom instance creation specifically? Is it being able to set a custom player cap or something, or is there more to it?

[covert chasm]

whoooo knowwwwws 👻

we don't go into details on points for a reason-- mostly because these features are still in design or development

[flat siren]

I’ll be here for a while while I wait 2-5 more hours for an e-mail from oculus support

[wispy gulch]

okay then. Cosmos is looking good as #1 choice.

[rigid crescent]

this entire article is pog

[covert chasm]

[rigid crescent]

im so ready for the "THEY SAID THIS WOULD BE READY IN JULY" shenanigans bro

[covert chasm]

yep, that's part of the risk, but we want to let people know how this kinda stuff works

things will slip

[flat siren]

Hi tupper

[covert chasm]

hi

[rigid crescent]

gonna print this out and pin it on my wall and look for conspiracy theories in the inconsistencies

[flat siren]

I am new to the game and really want to play but my oculus is broken

I’ve said that so many times

[vocal shard]

God i played so long

But have switched accounts on multiple occasions. I am but a wee PC user.

[flat siren]

I’m 100 percent going to make a twitch account and start streaming a 24 hour challenge in vrchat

Who says it is a great idea and I should

[vocal shard]

Tbh i hate Twitch lol, dunno why. Just never have liked it.

[flat siren]

I don’t use it I always watch YouTube

[jagged fox]

What is this "Udon" that they kept mentioning in the new roadmap? They never actually explain wtf it meant.

[odd beacon]

Basically much more powerful map creation

[vocal shard]

It's to help with making worlds

The thing is about 24 hour streams is 1) getting really fucking tired, 2) sometimes no one even views or watches, especially when your just starting,

But who am i to have input lmao, so go crazy and do your thing

[flat siren]

🍜 udon is a noodle

[jagged fox]

how is that? what could people do with Udon that they cannot do already?

[odd beacon]

Specifically node-based, so you can have events, NPCs, state-saving, things like that

[vocal shard]

I know for a damn fact I could not be entertaining and energized enough for a 24-hour stream unless I drink an unhealthy amount of lead-filled Gfuel

[flat siren]

Why would they mention a noodle

[jagged fox]

Oh. So, basically VRChat could become like RecRoom and have a bunch of actually good minigames?

[flat siren]

No

[vocal shard]

Ooh VRChat minigames is a cool concept

[sly veldt]

noodles are the inside term for visual scripting in game dev

[flat siren]

Ooooooh okay

[sly veldt]

cos you connect the nodes with wires or “noodles”

[true timber]

is network IK really listed as a "secondary focus"? that seems a bit... weird seeing as how broken it is for so many people right now.

[tacit plank]

Like spaghetti code?

[sly veldt]

haha also that

[flat siren]

Lmao that is funny, kinda makes sense though

[jagged fox]

So, I still don't get what "Udon" is. It sounds like people will be able to make games inside VRChat like RecRoom, but some dude said no?

[sly veldt]

network IK is on the top of the list. secondary focus doesn’t mean “after security” etc

[tacit plank]

You can do minigames already with the SDK. Looking forward to Udon still though

[jagged fox]

Yeah but the mini games suck.

[tacit plank]

Things like writing and reading and manipulte variables would open up a lot of possibilities

[flat siren]

Udon is a noodle @jagged fox, they are talking about how nodes are connected by wires and are kinda like noodles

[sly veldt]

and P E R S I S T E N C E

[jagged fox]

Amen please stop responding to me. You have no idea what you're saying.

[sly veldt]

So you can play an rpg and save

[flat siren]

I can’t say noodle without sounding super offensive

[tacit plank]

You can make board games etc in worlds. Pretty easy and fun.

[jagged fox]

Read this mate. https://medium.com/vrchat/vrchat-roadmap-stability-security-and-sdk-f3f7296b13ac

[scarlet flare]

oh hey ron

[sly veldt]

hey

[flat siren]

Ron can you add me

[jagged fox]

Isn't there already RPG maps where you can save? I have seen at least one.

[scarlet flare]

funny, i didnt see "new vr tech" on that roadmap 🤔

[sly veldt]

not leave instance and come back...

[jagged fox]

I'm still struggling with what Udon can do that SDK cannot.

[flat siren]

I will be your personal assistant for free (like a slave but I want to)

Lol

[jagged fox]

Really? I know of a map that can save points you collect. Or maybe I'm not remembering correctly.

[covert linden]

It can save, until you leave the world

[wispy gulch]

https://uploadvr.com/rift-s-controller-tracking-update/

[covert linden]

Solution is to never leave the world

[sly veldt]

lol

[tacit plank]

If worlds could save, they should have limited storage, like 1024KB. And store local.
But right now I just want to do things like if-statements.
If I want light with 2 different colors and 2 levels (weak or strong light) I basically need to have 4 lights and 4 triggers, which enable one light and disables the 3 other possibilities

[scarlet flare]

just plug in your brain, 4head

[sly veldt]

well there’s player save, instance save, world save

[scarlet flare]

skip the index and the trackers and haptic suits altogether

[jagged fox]

So, basically, Udon means worlds can save individual player data.

[scarlet flare]

just plug yourself in lol

[jagged fox]

That honestly doesn't seem like a big deal.

[sly veldt]

no

That’s one small side effect

[scarlet flare]

udon is more than that

[sly veldt]

not the basis of udon

[tacit plank]

Do we get something like logic gates?

[flat siren]

What happened, I was gone

[sly veldt]

Right now nobody can C# script in unity for vrchat

it’s a limited set of trigger based stuff for worlds

[tacit plank]

I could work with something like Minecraft redstone gates. Just not these triggers

[sly veldt]

Imagine opening that up to an almost c# level of scripting but securely contained

[scarlet flare]

basically a custom (and secure) scripting engine, mocking up much of what you "could do" with C#

[flat siren]

I wanna know how to attach a seat to an avatar, because I have an iron giant one I want to add a seat to

[sly veldt]

gonna be awesome. trust me.

[scarlet flare]

welp look at that, at least i payed attention to tupps post last year

[jagged fox]

Oh boy. I wish I understood what that meant lol. Well, thanks for explaining, I guess I will understand more in half a year when people start making worlds with it.

[tacit plank]

That reminds me, some VRC things take parameters, like playHaptics. But they're just hardcoded, players can't change them. Will this change?

[dire dragon]

I wonder. Does anyone here have problems the the Valve Index and finger tracking?

[flat siren]

No one else is AS RICH AS YOU

[scarlet flare]

finger tracking seeps a bit picky if your hands are slid too high or too low netsu

[flat siren]

Here send your headset, sensors, and controllers to me and I can fix them

[tacit plank]

Instead of: SendRPC PlayHaptics, I'd like SendRPC PlayHaptics(float, float, float)

[dire dragon]

Aye. Biggest problem I have is a constantly curled thumb for some reason everything else seems fine

[sly veldt]

ok gotta go

[scarlet flare]

curled thumb may be your avi

[willow ravine]

@flat siren i wonder if i can use a raspberry pi and qemu and wine to play vrchat

[dire dragon]

No it’s on all avatars so I ruled that one out

[scarlet flare]

are you in game?

[tacit plank]

Unity Rigging is weird, my fingers bend weirdly too

[flat siren]

Lol

[dire dragon]

On my rift it works fine. I think it might be something g with the knuckles controllers. And no, not I. Game currently on my way home from work :P

Excuse the terrible typos. Phone doesn’t like quick typing

[scarlet flare]

no prob

[covert chasm]

While using Index, if your thumb is wonk, you need to check this out: https://docs.vrchat.com/v2019.2.5/docs/valve-index#section-rigging-notes

[dire dragon]

Ooh! I’ll check that out! Thanks a bunch ❤

[covert chasm]

actually it isn't really specific enough

[vocal shard]

Wonk thumb

[covert chasm]

hold on lemme go find my wall of text canny post

[scarlet flare]

wonk thumb yus

this is gonna be the trackers release all over again isnt it tupp

[safe mango]

🤔

[scarlet flare]

we have "fullbody rigged" avi's and soon to be "index rigged"

good lord

[covert chasm]

https://vrchat.canny.io/feature-requests/p/785-add-script-to-allow-setting-minmax-muscle-values-used-for-index-tracking

it isn't about rigging changes

there are min/max limits you can set in the Muscle config in Unity

you have to tweak that around a bit

[dire dragon]

I can only give a wonk up like that. It hinders my positive attitude D:

[willow ravine]

10 bones per finger

[covert chasm]

http://voxelloop.co.uk/vrc/fix.html also has a good summary

[scarlet flare]

i mean for public avatars though

[covert chasm]

well, yes

[wispy gulch]

raise of hands - how many index people we got now?

[dire dragon]

The finger tracking on the Index is already really solid on vrc tho

[covert chasm]

[flat siren]

Lol Nox dmed me, said I had autism and that I was 12, and then said nothing else and left

I asked him why and he didn’t answer but was about to and then stopped

[covert chasm]

a lot of the thumb issues stem back to MMDs as a whole-- MMD doesn't really have a standard for rigging, and hands are especially odd

[dire dragon]

Only problem was the wink thumb so far and the controller sometimes not able to figure out if you lift your pinky finger or pinky and ring.

[scarlet flare]

wink thumb

[covert chasm]

they don't match up to Unity standards that well

[dire dragon]

Stupid phone hates me

[covert chasm]

people didn't notice much with not-index controllers, but now people have them, so...

they're paying closer attention to their hands, and getting pickier

[scarlet flare]

lol gg 💜

[willow ravine]

creating 3 bones per finger isnt that hard

[dire dragon]

Only problem really is that can tell people “ha! You looked” because of curled thumb but can’t give a thumbs up anymore :P

[flat siren]

Index... where now not only can you move each finger individual, but you can virtually flip someone off

[sacred nacelle]

Lol can someone zoom in on the vrc blue prints and take a photo I can't see them

[flat siren]

Now^

[dire dragon]

It’s easier than ever with this actually.

[vocal shard]

is there any way to make avatars i get from worlds bigger? i found some amazing models, but they are so tiny

[covert linden]

no

[vocal shard]

damn

[flat siren]

Your just going to have to find the model yourself and go through the whole process of making it bigger in unity

[willow ravine]

@vocal shard search for models online that might be similar

[vocal shard]

any way i can turn off my avatar's custom animations that are preformed by pressing on the controller?

Sounds like everyone got boned buying the Oculus

[flat siren]

Lmao what

I typed in the address to vr chat mod .com

[royal basin]

it depends on what model you use, models with animations don't get the option to disable those

[flat siren]

Vrcmod.com

[royal basin]

avatars* rather

[vocal shard]

i dont want to accidentally triggering an animation by accidentally putting my thumb up

[royal basin]

also that website has a lot of stolen content

thats probably why its banned

[vocal shard]

my englisg is bad today sorry, typing on a virtual keyboard is hard

[flat siren]

Well most of my animations are point, fist, rock and roll, and finger gun

Oh are you in vr typing right now

[royal basin]

if you don't want to accidentally trigger an animation from using gestures try to use another avatar that doesn't have animations

[vocal shard]

So, they screwed up the Oculus?

some models trigger some sound, or some crazy thing just by pointing

[jade swift]

hi

[vocal shard]

and i dont want that

[flat siren]

I have a clown one that appears when I point

[pure frigate]

yo

[flat siren]

It is meant for jump scares

[vocal shard]

i am vr typing btw yeah

#ignored XD

[flat siren]

Cool! I WISH MY VR worked

[royal basin]

that's binded to the avatar, the only way is to use a different one or just avoid using gestures altogether

[pure frigate]

im typing in vr

[jade swift]

me to

[vocal shard]

nah, but its some annoying dance animation with crazy lights and music

[royal basin]

you can disable it for other people in safety settings but not on yourself

[vocal shard]

but the avatar looks so good

[pure frigate]

hi

[vocal shard]

sorry to interrupt but i was wondering if anyone knew who created the jojo lamp avatar?

[flat siren]

LMAO WHAT. Use vr chat mods .com to find avatars you want

[vocal shard]

Nevermind then guys, I guess I'll just go back where I came from

[flat siren]

So you don’t have to worry about animations

[vocal shard]

that takes too much work. im not very tech smart

[royal basin]

there's a reason why you get blocked for posting that website link you know

[vocal shard]

im not gonna spend hours of my time rigging an avatar

[flat siren]

It isn’t too too hard, you just install unity 4.28, install the sdk, download the avatar, load the avatar, make sure it is the right height using the vrchat sdk test one, log in on the sdk, go to the build panel, then hit build and publish

[royal basin]

people often overestimate how much effort is needed to make an avatar
i suggest you look it up

[flat siren]

With no animations it isn’t that hard, I could do it for you jeb

[vocal shard]

great.

[flat siren]

Yeah I finished four avatars with effects in like an hour once I got the hang of figuring it out

[vocal shard]

i am way too stupid for all of that.

[flat siren]

I can help you or do it for you, I have nothing better to do and I love doing it

[vocal shard]

itll take me days just to make one, even if indo rip one

[willow ravine]

yeah thats the ez part. then the hard part it making it from scratch, combining meshes, making blendshape animations, rigging, weight painting, texturing, importing, setting up effects, props, animating........

[flat siren]

Yeah, but I am never starting from scratch no matter how good I get

[vocal shard]

ill do that all some other day i guess

[flat siren]

Everything I else I can do besides the combining meshes, making blendshape animations, and weight painting

I can’t wait to test my jumpscare boi

[vocal shard]

probably commission someone to make me a really good anime avatar by scratch

[flat siren]

I can’t do scratch

I am to bad at that, it would look like an autistic fetus

[vocal shard]

i want one with a white varsity jacket and white ripped jeans, which is what i am wearing now

lmao yeah

[flat siren]

See I don’t know about the anime characters but I mean I have a halo and mass effect and two jump scare avatars

I don’t have a anime one yet

[vocal shard]

im gonna continue playing now. bye

[flat siren]

Bye

[vocal shard]

hopefully i find a decent avatar world

[flat siren]

Have a good time and yeah

[small wing]

Thanks for the Roadmap Tupper! Not going to ping ya cause I know u are busy as per usual but I hope you are having a nice weekend. Cheers!

If ya actually see this just wanted to let you and the team know I'm rooting 4 ya. Hyped.

[sand forge]

Still no actual support for being able to upload avatars via the oculus account though

[vocal shard]

Yeah

And you can merge oculus accounts to a vrchat account now

[wispy gulch]

do eeet

[sand forge]

Wait you can oh fuck

[proud ivy]

Forgive me, first time in the chat. Are there any things one could reccomend for someone just wanting to start VR? Like what things to buy and whatnot?

[slate verge]

wow big sister horror game is was scary asf

@proud ivy first timer for vr in general you might want to look into a rift, but if you have a budget then you can go for a Windows Mixed Reality

[proud ivy]

Thank you

[slate verge]

for vrchat you can use all optional vr headset recommendations

[proud ivy]

Also where could I look up computer requirements?

[slate verge]

on steam vrchat store page it may tell you the minimum pc requirements for this game, for vr testing purposes you may try looking for steam vr performance on steam too

steam vr test i think? its gotta be one of those two

[vocal shard]

VRChat makes me sad now, I dunno if I can play it honestly. I'll get on and join worlds, but... my antisocialism kinda makes me completely mute while playing...

[slate verge]

@vocal shard you'd be surprised everyone started off as mute and thats fine

over time those people started talking even if its just for a little bit and they made friends. So its meant for you to uh....improve?

[vocal shard]

I just need someone I'm comfortable talking to start a conversation honestly...

Uploaded an avatar 30 mins ago. Never showed up in game. Reuploaded with new descriptor. still not in game. :/

[slate verge]

thats idea yeah.

[willow ravine]

i feel similar. but the hard part is finding anyone who isn't 12 yrs old : P

[vocal shard]

I just sat in a world where there was 20 people and like 9 of them tried to talk to me and all I did was just kinda turn around and look down.

[slate verge]

@vocal shard its supposed to uploaded into your account instantly, maybe restarting vrchat may help. Double check if you didn't input a different account info.

[vocal shard]

I was the smallest person there, so it didn't help...

My avatar is literally around a foot tall...

Login is correct, will try restarting vrchat now

[slate verge]

@vocal shard thats why its up to you if you want to social. If you have vr, try using your hand gestures. If you use desktop, use your mouse to shake or nod your head for yes or no answers.

[vocal shard]

I've tried finding avatars, but all of the tall ones look weird, except the ones that other people have and so I chose to be a small little avatar

[proud ivy]

I'm surprised by how minimum many of the spec requirements are.

[slate verge]

there are way more small avatars to explore and decently good tall avatars