vrchat-general-2

[vocal shard]

PC gaming for life.. and i dont care how small and powerful your chip you will never achieve our hardware

[ruby burrow]

This is the world I mentioned. First one I made. Just a super simple place set up with some atmospheric music and slightly abstract aesthetic.
https://gyazo.com/c2c930448309eee4383674c092b0ff5c
It even runs pretty well on PC, but the outright inability to do transparency on Quest basically makes it impossible regardless.

[vocal shard]

@ruby burrow yep.. can instantly see how that would be an issue.. that tree.. excuse the pun is the life of the party.. im not sure what effect you have there be in particle or shader based.. but can see that coming to life with beautiful fx

when i see that i see a visualization in the making.. going by BPM of music.. to create a state of mind thats trippy as well as hypnotic.

[ruby burrow]

The tree and other few solid objects have a scrolling and pulsing emissive texture on them. Everything else is transparent or additive.

[vocal shard]

yeah.. i see that without you even saying that see 😃

its the presentation of just the screenshot alone... it speaks to me

[ruby burrow]

There's several layers of slowly rotating discs below the "floor", with a starfield texture on them, to create a subtle sort of layered motion going on beneath you.

[vocal shard]

To me.. music and visualization is second to none.. its literally color within music.. which is the soul within music itself.. something we cant do within vrchat because of no script functionality

Relying on animation even in sequences is just not acceptable.. to be randomised or hell even by bpm of music means no matter what you play.. or even better livestream will be a forever changing sequence

[ruby burrow]

The music I used for it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uqmb0GoBW38&t=2s

[vocal shard]

it really is a beautiful outlook

oh yes.. you used some absolutely epic tune here

[ruby burrow]

Mhmm. I've no real experience in music or animating for music at all, but it would be really nice to be able to sync worlds with their audio better.

[vocal shard]

this is exactly what the doctor ordered.. its space.. and artistic .. its synthwave or rather vaporwave.. it has feeling and captures essense

which goes absolutely great with creation of art coming to life

[covert linden]

wont it be better with udon

[ruby burrow]

Hah. Well thank you for the praise then. xD

[vocal shard]

well.. truth be told.. we can do so with script and always was able to do so.. but with limitations in place we are severely limited to animtion and shader fx.. which arent randomised which is even worse

anything pre programmed.. is not what we want.. we want by bpm.. so people can feel their music.. coming to life

[ruby burrow]

I just wanted to try my hand at world building, but had no assets and no idea what to make. So I went with the little I did know from making avatars, which was messing with shaders and particles.

So I made a world out of particles. Sorta. :v

[vocal shard]

Well.. you did well and like i've always said.. avatars are more advanced than us world builders.. sure we build worlds.. but we focus on the whole and its not as lengthly because of that entire reason.. focusing on a single object requires alot more skill in my opinion.. although it has multiple parts that make it a whole..its still focusing on that one being rather than the entirety of world creation and all thats within it.

[covert linden]

I think it depends

Making an avatar, a lot of people just combine parts and its not from scratch. but ive seen some worlds with some terrible organization and lightign effects, like worlds that turn me white. But those worlds that are nothing but beautiful, to the point where they take your breathe, that doesnt happen overnight

[vocal shard]

put it this way.. its like the human body.. the outskirts show a body shape.. where as the body itself is extremely complex, and thats really no different than the whole.. worlds take time.. everything takes time.. but focusing on one point depends on what you want to achieve, for building a world as long as it works is somewhat acceptable, where as avatars are wholly about the creation of that one being.. like the human body and its complexity.

[covert linden]

combining parts can take like 5 seconds per part ironically. By scratch, I can see it being much more complex due to human anatomy

[vocal shard]

@covert linden Alot now i guess combine parts.. but from the groups im i'n people put in months of effort into one single avatar.. its like an art form for them

[ruby burrow]

Yeah. I'd say it depends entirely on the scope of what you're making. A big complex world like Luxerion World, is an undertaking that requires months of work and collaboration from multiple people.
Meanwhile my own most recent world I spent only 3 hours on to get it to completion.
Some avatars can be frighteningly complex, with layers of special systems and weird unity tricks required to let them accomplish certain things within VR-Chat's limitations.
Whilst other avatars can just be 20 minutes of slapping and MMD into the game.

[covert linden]

my boyfriend combines parts BUT spends days and hours on particle systems so he can pour stuff like tea, or shoot arrows. He also paints everything to fit a theme, this time was sweets, last, cards, so its pretty neat

[vocal shard]

@ruby burrow i agree although.. luxerion is more based on events and triggers... i wont mock lakuza's world but i must say.. what i craft is by hand .. and i didnt copy anything..

[covert linden]

I think all worlds benefit from having multiple people

I find many big worlds are too cluttered or the organization of it is super disorganized, but once theres many people working on it, it goes so much better

[vocal shard]

I like lakuza.. known him a long time but i wont denie and let go true creatvity based on human imagination vs work thats ripped from other sources.. sorry but i cant denie truth

[covert linden]

tbh I prefer some worlds that are all ripped than sometimes when its all made fresh and the world looks bad

[vocal shard]

to denie it would be an insult to the human imagination

[covert linden]

part of the imagionation is to take said ripped stuff and make it beautiful and I appreciate that

[vocal shard]

yeah sure like my half life 1 re-creation.. all of that was done with multiple parts i merged.. and end result was a shit ton of triggers and sound fx ripped from valves work.. honestly.. where is the merit in that.. thats how i felt from day one of doing so

nothing was original.. and so i felt like i cheated

all to give people that feeling of they was in half life.. its empty

[covert linden]

better than the world that where I went too and the shader didnt work with mine and made me pure white

which has only ever happened in that world xD

[lethal ridge]

henlo

[vocal shard]

heh well.. when you put effort in people note it and know yah by name.. rather than work .. rather than experience.. its almost like people get to know that artistic side.. its them, its you.. its in everyone.. all we see within our minds is possible.. just creativity and a dream that could become something more.. if only you had the time... Well.. i do have the time.. and so i can but to be limited to size of map is a problem for me.. always was.. if i was given the option to buy bandwith for even a segment of space i would.. just because i enjoy creation that much.

I've been on this platform since it started.. and i wont give up until i get what i want.. one way or the other this platform will improve overtime and i will get what i need to make a dream a reality.

I just wish to have more space to build a map thats literally a game within itself.. if you want promotion for that platform.. i've got that handled.. there's nothing in this world i cannot do or the next.. but with limitations i am but limited.

[covert linden]

udon

[vocal shard]

VRChat down?

I got randomly DC;d

Yup. @vocal shard

[inner cape]

i dont get it, so many people come here to ask if vrc is down every time they dc once
ya'll don't even try to go back and reconnect before asking

[craggy valley]

i wish i had the internet to play vr chat so its always down for me

600kbps is just not enough for this game

minecraft launcher just got a makeover

[abstract widget]

https://vrchat.canny.io/feature-requests/p/counting-hidden-objects-when-calculating-performance-rank-is-a-terrible-idea

[inner cape]

second life is a game, isn't it? that means ripping, and sorry to disappoint but its forbidden to discuss that in here

[polar jasper]

You'd have to ask somewhere else then. #rules 13.

[tropic tundra]

Ah my bad

[inner cape]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[pastel galleon]

500 kbps was possible before the ik update 😛

[pure hemlock]

I wonder how big the quest user population is anyways

[inner cape]

good question

[pure hemlock]

Come on... There's at least 15 of them

[vocal shard]

The quest is sold out in most places. So I think there's a lot more buying them and coming to vrchat than we realize.

[pure hemlock]

Yah I guess. I just don't see them very often even though I hang out in quest compatible public worlds a lot. 90% of publics right now is really just screaming children and teenagers on summer break on PC Desktop

[vocal shard]

I check best buy and Amazon daily. But they're always gone
Lol

[pure hemlock]

Thus why I play with my safety settings pretty maxed out

It ruins the experience a bit because some avatars I can't see properly, or can't see the custom animations they're using . But my experience would be far more ruined if I enabled them >_>

[sage zenith]

I can't load into a two different dancing worlds that are like 200-300 over but I can load into worlds that are like over 400 vrchat explain

[languid beacon]

Once preference blocking came out I just undid all’s safety settings and blocked very poor only. Better framerate and most crashing avatars get blocked anyway

[rigid crescent]

Obligatory daily"why are you blocking anything but animations" post

[fervent dome]

is there at all anyway i can get vrchat on mac no nivida geforce now

[pastel galleon]

There isn't mac support yet, idk if it's planned

[pure hemlock]

Can you even use VR on Mac?

[fervent dome]

yes

[tropic tundra]

The iVR

Lul

[fervent dome]

htc vive is one of the supported vr headsets

[pastel galleon]

Lol

[fervent dome]

and Lel

[pure hemlock]

Wow I didn't know that. I thought gaming on a MAC was dead years ago

[fervent dome]

it was but im trying to bring it back

[pastel galleon]

Linux has more hope than mac at this point

[fervent dome]

yeah

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1SvvagUGuU RATED PG-13

[languid beacon]

I don’t think any big vr games work Linux

Do they?

Overwatch made me finally switch to windows and then VR kept me on it

[rough pulsar]

SteamVR runs natively on linux and a fair bit of stuff runs somewhat okay through Proton

[hard trench]

who's actually smart and knows how to use VB-audio cable????

[languid beacon]

I use it for audio mixing what are you trying to do with it exactly?

[hard trench]

play youtube for others

[languid beacon]

You’ll also need a program called voicemeeter to mix your mic and desktop audio into a new virtual mic

And output it as your vb mic

[hard trench]

no need for it with mic options??

[languid beacon]

I don’t understand the question

[hard trench]

did it for a whole year

VB audio cable doesnt need voicemeter

[languid beacon]

To my knowledge vb cable itself is just a virtual audio source. It can’t do any kind of channel mixing

[hard trench]

i did it yesterday??? until i closed out youtube for a cpl hours then forgot how i set it up

had a pic i used to remind me but i lost it

[pallid vapor]

The Great Pug West is usually 80-90%+ Quest users nowadays. Also it's pretty easy for me to join Quest friends+ worlds. It's growing pretty strongly

[near sky]

Which is good to see for the Quest userbase

[vocal shard]

@heavy raven explain instead of rant

[fresh fable]

F

[rigid crescent]

Sometimes I wish I was that smoothbrain. Ignorance is bliss lol they probably think they actually hurt someone feelings

[vocal shard]

Honestly same

[rigid crescent]

It must be nice

[vocal shard]

Fr

[rigid crescent]

I need a lobotomy

We share a server so maybe they'll blow up there and I'll find out

[vocal shard]

I think that was the person who said their friend was banned for making a world with copyright content or something

[rigid crescent]

Oh it's a stweamers server NVM it's not too active

[umbral reef]

I love those babyrage comment

[rigid crescent]

Oh right I remember that

Oh it is them jamie

Lol peopledont seem to realize you can appeal bans usually.

[vocal shard]

Which, yeah I agree that if it was just that, taking down the world and warning them would probably be the course of action. But there's usually more to the story for why some things are done a certain way

[umbral reef]

We told the guy
But I can almost bet money they send a 4head appeal saying they did nothing wrong.

[misty turret]

It's just easier not to do anything that would get you ban in the first place...

[umbral reef]

Well getting a dmca against you is fairly hard funny enough so in impressed he even got one

[vocal shard]

Well, we talk about vrchat stuff here ^^

[still lark]

Yikes Fez

[misty turret]

Life is but VRchat

[vocal shard]

Smoothbrains are something else

🤡

[desert stratus]

👈 🤔 👈

?

[rigid crescent]

Summer is great. Public front page discords are a great idea

[vocal shard]

Hoi.

[rigid crescent]

Who or who

[vocal shard]

Irrelevant or irrelevant

[rigid crescent]

Why would I know them lol

[desert stratus]

naddition is.... a youtuber

[proven hound]

yeah

[desert stratus]

im guessing the other guy is a youtuber

thats about it.

[proven hound]

who ?

i ight know him

wow chill

[desert stratus]

im terrified

[rigid crescent]

Vrchat players don't need to watch vrchat content because we can just click the play button

[desert stratus]

summer should not have been invented

[rigid crescent]

Most people who watch that stuff don't play the game

[proven hound]

yo V_tuber you don't get that content evry time tho

it's like a bonus

[desert stratus]

i always feel weird whenever i show up in youtube vids

[rigid crescent]

I usually get DMed

[proven hound]

i don't play VR but i want o in the near futur

[rigid crescent]

Just hit "play" in steam. Easy.

[desert stratus]

like i dont get weird around youtubers (except for this one time during the dark ages) cuz 1 - i dont care and 2 - i usually dont even know them but then later someone dms me a video like "hahah look!" and im like "ughh eww thats mee"

[rigid crescent]

Yeah that's exactly what happens to me

[desert stratus]

were not playing t or d in the vrc disc

[rigid crescent]

Truth or Dare in vrchat isn't discord appropriate

[proven hound]

i was playing on sniping soups streams once and i didn't knew

[still lark]

We don't have any alcohol here

[proven hound]

until i got dmed like fuck

[rigid crescent]

Or ice cubes

[proven hound]

ok -_-

[rigid crescent]

Hard pass

[proven hound]

i mean iff it's to pass time am down

[rigid crescent]

Ice cubes and alcohol are the only ways to play truth or dare in vrc

[proven hound]

but iff your willing to keep it on for 20min bruh ill yeet

[rigid crescent]

Ok lol

[desert stratus]

im canceling summer and the vrc discord

[rigid crescent]

I definitely doubt that

[proven hound]

how can we tell who you choced boih ?-_-

[desert stratus]

this is too much for senile old me

[proven hound]

sry fucked up spelling

[rigid crescent]

You're like 13 tops

Yeah I'm finna head out

This is tough to sit through

[vocal shard]

13 is a generous guess

[proven hound]

ok bois time to hope off hf and have a great night or day (idk what time is it for yall)

[vocal shard]

I’m crippled cause I can’t stand y’all

[proven hound]

what's that @twin sequoia

[vocal shard]

That moment when you see a 9 year old on vrchat surrounded by big tiddy anime, Loli, furry lewd models

[proven hound]

i ain't a clwon -_-

that's out off context but ok ?-_-

[vocal shard]

Seriously. That happens too often and it’s concerning

[frosty veldt]

Why do you capitalize every word?

[proven hound]

i think he got auto cap

[vocal shard]

9 year olds aren’t allowed to play vrchat

[desert stratus]

Because This Is 100% A Good Way To Type And Def Not Irritating

[proven hound]

huh ?

[vocal shard]

No shit but they don’t listen to terms of service

[desert stratus]

just be lazy like everyone else and do annoying things like sometimes putting apostrophes where they should be and other times not doing it at all

[vocal shard]

That’s their problem then

Or parents don’t read rules

[proven hound]

who has full body

tracking

[frosty veldt]

I do

[vocal shard]

like I don’t care about kids playing rated m games because I did that when I was a kid and turned out fine. It just depends on the maturity of the kid. Lucky I knew what was right from wrong. However this is the first time I don’t want little kids playing

[proven hound]

i got one whith some high sensative gloves idk what are they called

[rigid crescent]

I just hate how annoying they are

Like you're literally 10 but don't make it so obvious

[frosty veldt]

For finger tracking? @proven hound

[vocal shard]

Not only does oculus recommend little kids not to play vr because seizures. But there’s so much lewd shit in vrchat that it’s practically a sub porn game at this point

[proven hound]

yeah

it's mde in russia ?-_-

[frosty veldt]

What does that have to do with fullbody

[proven hound]

idk acualy XD

[vocal shard]

I do not want a 9 year old being seduced by a giant tiddy Pokémon girl. seen it happen twice

[frosty veldt]

I don't know if they will work in vrchat, they might though since they have the index working

[proven hound]

Puddle i got traped by traps once -_-

they loved it -_-

[vocal shard]

Like goddamn i know some of you are parents here. Please do not let your kids play this game.

[desert stratus]

y-yes! im tim sweeny @ epic games

[proven hound]

they starting doing the UWU shit

and i was like ow fuck no

[desert stratus]

just kidding, nobody here is with epic games lol

[frosty veldt]

Nobody likes epic lmao

[desert stratus]

only thing epic games did that i actually liked for more than 2 days was robo recall

[vocal shard]

If you really want to let your kid be surrounded by like some stripper anime girl getting a lap dance. You are irresponsible as hell.

[desert stratus]

and that was more of an epic x oculus studios thing so

[proven hound]

i am a gamer but not epic

ok tf mate ?

[desert stratus]

oooo im telling ur brother!

[proven hound]

snitch -_-

al back wtf was that lightning speed

[frosty veldt]

Oh we're really doing the "sorry my friend took my phone" thing

[proven hound]

then you should've known what he said boih XD

wierd flex

[vague hemlock]

[desert stratus]

👈 🤔 👈

[proven hound]

https://tenor.com/view/longday-awkward-gif-10813777

ow rip

[rigid crescent]

Can you pls

[vocal shard]

This is more a #general-media conversation tbh

[rigid crescent]

Clap this potato

[proven hound]

ow you mean i can't ?

[still lark]

It's been #general-media for awhile now

[proven hound]

🔞

i need this near by my house

when halowin

"halowin" -_-

i need to come back to eng because i lost my grip speacking frensh only

[rapid trellis]

Pres F to pay respects for Etika
Popular YouTuber Etika was found dead less than a week after he went missing, authorities said Tuesday.

[covert linden]

Oh cra0

[twin iron]

Can you use the original rift trackers with the rift s for FBT ?

[desert stratus]

:<

FBT with RIft S is same as FBT with OG rift

light houses + vive pucks along withh your rift S

[twin iron]

Okay because I was thinking of buying 3 rift trackers and go from there

Thank you

[desert stratus]

you mean vive trackers?

[twin iron]

No the actual wand looking oculus trackers

[lunar shell]

Oculus trackers?

[desert stratus]

the touch controllers?

[covert linden]

You need the vive trackers

[twin iron]

They look like little microphone stands

[desert stratus]

the rift sensors

[languid beacon]

Petition to refer to all epic store consumers as “epic gamers”

[desert stratus]

ah. no, rift S has its own inside-out tracking

[vocal shard]

There is no rift full body tracking

[desert stratus]

you dont need the cv1 sensors if you're buying a rift S

you can like, sell them to people

[twin iron]

So it’s the vibe sensor setup or nothing ?

Vive

[lunar shell]

Yes pretty much.

[desert stratus]

mhm. only external sensors you need for Rift S FBT is lighthouse

rift S headset will take care of tracking ur controllers and headset

[rough pulsar]

If you want good tracking, yeah. You can use the xbox kinect for FBT, but it's not as good.

[desert stratus]

technology

[languid beacon]

Vive trackers are needed for full body. You don’t specifically need vive sensor, the index’s sensors work fine too

[vocal shard]

You can use the Vive trackers and Lighthouses to get FBT on other VR systems.

Your alternatves are Kinect or nolo

[languid beacon]

Actually the index’s lighthouses work better because HTC still doesn’t sell standalone 2.0 lighthouses

Except in Japan apparently

[vocal shard]

Kinect, basic full body pose but no rotational tracking $50~
Nolo, front facing lighthouse style full body tracking with foot rotation $200
Vive trackers, 360 full body tracking $300 for trackers and extra if you don't have lighthouses

[twin iron]

Okay thank you all

And this will all work with steam plug n play no special software etc

[vocal shard]

The Vive trackers are plug and play if you have a vive. If you're using them with a different VR headset you need to calibrate.

Nolo and kinect need external software

[twin iron]

5 sensors in total ?

[vocal shard]

Sorry?

[twin iron]

Two arms, two leg, 1 hip sensor correct?

[covert linden]

.....

[twin iron]

I’m s noob to this sorry

[vocal shard]

And the head. That's what gets tracked. But the headset and controllers already cover those. So you need 3 trackers for hip and feet

[twin iron]

Okay thanks

[vocal shard]

I need to get off discord while at work. I started writing out "Index full body tracking" on an invoice. XD

Rip etika guys

I just saw

Really sad; never even heard of him but either way. Just like, still really caught me off guard.

[misty turret]

@vocal shard life is but a valve index.

[pallid cape]

lol

[vocal shard]

Boi

RIP Etika

If anybody out there is struggling with a mental illness I want you to know that I love you and you are not alone.

[unique fiber]

Sucks man...

😦

[wraith schooner]

It`

It's so sweet that you wrote that!

[vocal shard]

d a i l y r e m i n d e r https://i.gyazo.com/e8597556e03cc1be8db77435ac56d846.png

big props to whoever responded to the reports, they clearly work, since the world with that avatar was removed

several other worlds with similarly egregious avatars still up though and have been reported much longer ago!

do i need to post screenshots here to get action taken against them or what?

[lunar shell]

Holy moly!

[broken nacelle]

does anyone wanna play vrchat

[barren igloo]

that has at least 3 to many polys

[vestal sleet]

People with game crashing avatar >_>

[barren igloo]

i'm more confused on how there can be 300 million

that makes me almost assume that number is just made up

[vocal shard]

it was from a crasher avatar world

[barren igloo]

always nice when people make worlds dedicate to it smh

"vrchat is dying wtf"

makes entire world dedicated to crashing the game

"wtf guys quit breaking everything"

[vocal shard]

then the same people "wtf guys why did vrchat start counting disable gameobjects on upload pls undo it"

[languid beacon]

Wait what happened to Etika?

[rigid crescent]

He ded

[north axle]

He committed suicide after taking someone's joke seriously. Not sure if we're normally allowed to talk about this but it's all over the Internet and there's nothing to hide anymore.

[languid beacon]

Apparently he posted a video that he was having suicidal thoughts and the internet pushed him over the edge

[north axle]

Yeah, because he was making it look like he was being ironic to cover up his real thoughts he wanted to share with others.

[languid beacon]

Well people with suicidal thoughts are often known for their rational thinking and rational decision making

[north axle]

Possibly, yes. But he's been hospitalized before due to mental issues.

[languid beacon]

Anyway thanks for the info I will get more info elsewhere

[rigid crescent]

Finally a reason to ban them

[north axle]

Yay.

[willow kiln]

Got em

[umbral reef]

Wait who got clapperd

[desert stratus]

i think the kid from earlier

saying some really weird stuffs

[frosty veldt]

Mr auto caps

[trim echo]

hello

[desert stratus]

Yep. The Kid That Was Typing Like This.

hellO

[trim echo]

how are you guys todya

[desert stratus]

alrgiht

u?

[arctic marsh]

R.I.P Etika
He will never be Forgotten

[rancid vessel]

is VRChat having time out issues for anyone else? I just got 2 timed out connection errors on my end..

[shadow wagon]

did VRC died ?

[dry flare]

Its working for me

[hallow harness]

VRC died for me to

not stop timed out messages since a couple min

[boreal plaza]

gettin repeating disconnects

[shadow wagon]

oh wow

[fervent tree]

Anybody else's VRChat won't lead?

load*

[languid beacon]

!online

[floral flax]

There are 6086 users in VRChat currently

[shadow wagon]

me too

[fervent tree]

I just got timed out in-game, and I can't even start the game anymore..

[languid beacon]

Appears to be working

[shadow wagon]

wait now im loading it seems

[fervent tree]

The game won't even start, but my internet is perfectly fine

[oblique aurora]

Aaaa no loading and if i load it kicks my connection

[shadow wagon]

and i got timed out again

[fervent tree]

!online

[floral flax]

There are 6180 users in VRChat currently

[boreal plaza]

for me only me and my eu friends are having trouble

[fervent tree]

Well shoots, is there an outage of some sort?

[fading flower]

yea its oofed

[fervent tree]

😦

[polar elm]

EU only

[fading flower]

my friend is saying its the steam sale and how the day of the sale steam just tips the metophorical coffe all over the place

[fervent tree]

I'

I'm in USA, and it's gone for me

[oblique aurora]

current experience. login..... kick...... login......kick.......login.......kick. fuck this im going to a different game. wanted to have fun. and it aint my connection

[rancid vessel]

I thought my internet was having issues again itself but it turns out.. It has to be VRChat if that many of you having issues now.

[fading flower]

is this another server hosting issue?

[grizzled belfry]

Is anyone else getting randomly timed out?

[oblique aurora]

atm only EU

[grizzled belfry]

Is the server room on fire?

[oblique aurora]

sometimes i hope and sometimes i hope not

[fervent tree]

Yeah I can't connect to crap

[fading flower]

did tupper spill his coffe over the servers again?

silly tupper

[fervent tree]

!online

[floral flax]

There are 6033 users in VRChat currently

[fading flower]

another thanos snap

[languid beacon]

Special cloud coffee to spill on the cloud servers

[small wing]

Pls dont be another cloudflare oof moment

[grizzled belfry]

Someone walked into the Server Room and tripped on the wire that was connected to Europe.

[small wing]

i dont wanna get blacklisted on all my sites again

[fervent tree]

Not only EU is affected, i'm in USA

[fading flower]

and then he went to grab the cup and slid of the table and hit the server destroying it

oops

[small wing]

Tupper? More like TIPPER hAAH

[grizzled belfry]

Article 13 is finally taking effect

[small wing]

Pls dont tip over the servers

[languid beacon]

The whole cloudflare incident kind of shows how huge a point of failure cloudflare is for the whole internet

[vocal shard]

yea, im getting "Timed Out" every 10 seconds 😄

UK

[fading flower]

wait, my trusted user sences are kicking in!

[grizzled belfry]

I think the servers are fixed now.

[languid beacon]

Facebook, Google, and YouTube could go down and it wouldn’t be as big of a deal as cloudflare going down

[small wing]

Cloudflare has done a lot of good, but it also has shitty implementation for oof moments like what happened last time.

[fervent tree]

God dangit! I just loaded into my friends world and I said "Hi guys! I crashed!", then I get timed out again!

[wicked epoch]

im getting timed out every 2 minutes aswell.

[fading flower]

eaaaaH this new update must of broke it eeeah im gonna go stare at a mirror

[grizzled belfry]

They must be laughing their asses off @fervent tree

[oblique aurora]

as usual

😒

[unique pelican]

Imma try in in an hour again...hope it's fixed till then

[small wing]

@fading flower Who hurt you

[fading flower]

my father

[small wing]

😦

Same tbh

[fading flower]

belts hurt

[small wing]

Nah fam, belts made you a man.

[median pecan]

time out to

too

[small wing]

You know what would hurt worse? Having your dad inside of VRC RP.

Ouch

[fading flower]

and now we wait

[small wing]

Everyone should make a quick email to [e-mail]

Let em know

[tepid spindle]

tell the system something is wrong.

[small wing]

Gotta advocate directly for shit like this

[fervent tree]

im back on now

[grizzled belfry]

That timeout error gives me flashbacks to Civ MP.

[small wing]

That way it gets fixed faster

[fervent tree]

try again

[vocal shard]

etika a long time youtuber someone whom many looked up to was confirmed dead June 19, 2019. he had mental health issues. every one misses him and we all should respect him for being a great person. please send support to his family. i know many people have depression on this channel so please call the suicide hotline [phone].

[fading flower]

either that or the server turns to shite again like metophorical riots

[fervent tree]

Oh my god, it's the STEAM SUMMER SALE

[small wing]

@vocal shard Citation needed.

[fading flower]

heard it F

[fervent tree]

Steam is being overloaded

[fading flower]

yea i said

[vocal shard]

wait summersale?????

[fervent tree]

Just went live

[fading flower]

steam ussualy shit's itself when the sale happens

[vestal pier]

it went live a couple hours ago

[vocal shard]

ahhhhhhh shit here we go again

[vestal pier]

It is shitting itself

[fading flower]

and everyone suffers

[vocal shard]

i just made 140$

[small wing]

I love how every time steam has a sale I am broke 😦

anything good under 10 dollars?

[vestal pier]

Alot

[fading flower]

dark souls

[small wing]

😮

[vestal pier]

Depends what you are into

[vocal shard]

ok ima chek it out

[fading flower]

well 3 and 2 should be under a tenner

[small wing]

Any VR games?

I'm loading up the client rn, taking ages.

[fading flower]

google earth vr

[small wing]

YOOOOOOOO

That game got game of the year like 10 times!

Lit

[leaden matrix]

This is so bullshit i dont know Whats going on at the Moment Yesterday was everything down and now only VRC wtf? whats Going on?

[rigid crescent]

What?

There's 5.7k people on

So I don't think VRC is down

[ruby needle]

specific routes might be.
But in these cases there is nothing that the Team can do about it

[rigid crescent]

Blame System time :3

[ruby needle]

I blame summer sale

[rigid crescent]

New scapegoat has joined the fight

Im afraid to look cause I gotta save money for art and food and twitchcon lol

[languid beacon]

Is there a way to disable desktop mirroring? It’s hurting my fps because my Pc sucks

[hallow shoal]

Yep I was timing out constantly, can't blame steam though because I was playing through oculus

[languid beacon]

!online

[floral flax]

There are 5929 users in VRChat currently

[languid beacon]

Nah we are dropping there’s an issue

[glossy kernel]

Yeah mine just stopped working

[hallow shoal]

Had to happen the one night I decided to play for a longer time reee

[small wing]

How was that even spam bot. U smell.

Lemme quote it so it doesn't make me look like a spammy spammmerson. "Aaa I finally made my own VRChat home and its modular aaa".

With less "aaa" cause apparently using more that 4 a's means you are spamming. >.>

[languid beacon]

Began and ended with the same 6 letters. Bots are not the most intelligent

[small wing]

Added a color picker so i can change the walls in game

Bot's are indeed clown's yes.

[vocal shard]

Gente me convida para jogar

[small wing]

Next step is to make a orthographic feedback looping camera wall cause I loved those ever since the early days of VRC.

I can finally have the perfect feedback loop. 😏

[vocal shard]

Eu não entendo o que vocês falam

[small wing]

@vocal shard Tente procurar em um canal específico do idioma. Lá você encontrará pessoas com a mesma língua. Desculpe pelo google tradutor.

#portuguese

[languid beacon]

Dead channel tho

[small wing]

🤔

[languid beacon]

RIP non English vrchat players

[small wing]

Now that you say that, there has been less Portuguese speakers in VRC this year.

[vocal shard]

Por favor me chamem para jogar

[languid beacon]

Just needs worlds to easily find people

Joining the same world is the only way to find similar interests at the moment

[vocal shard]

É que é minha primeira vez aqui então estou ansiosa

[small wing]

Last dev stream i swear they said something about region specific servers.

That would help people so much.

[vocal shard]

Han

[languid beacon]

That was just to address ping. Things wouldn’t be sectioned off

[small wing]

Awh, that sucks then.

[languid beacon]

Well I think it’s a good thing

I don’t want the community split off into separate vrchat versions

[vocal shard]

Vai me convida

[small wing]

Was hoping it would make it easier to find people who speak the same language. VRC is very vast with tons of other languages.

[ornate garnet]

Idk about that, I think being able to interact with people from other regions is a good thing

[vocal shard]

Eu não estou entendendo

[small wing]

I never said that. I just said to have specific servers that are meant for that language.

You can still join em.

[rigid crescent]

It's easier for players to just make a world

[ornate garnet]

Ah, my misunderstanding

[small wing]

Not for new players with no friends.

[queen mango]

@vocal shard Puedes hablar Español? There's #spanish for that.

[languid beacon]

But choosing the host server that is close to most of the users is a good move that Beni fits everyone

[small wing]

It's a barrier that kinda sucks for new people.

[rigid crescent]

Sure it is? Just go to a public instance if it

[small wing]

Refer to what i said above.

[rigid crescent]

So why would they be in a public instance of it after there's regional servers

If they won't do it before

[vocal shard]

Tá bom Tchau 😔 😔

[languid beacon]

It just means if you have a room with 90% Japanese connections why host that particular instance in America

[rigid crescent]

Yeah that's more of a connection thing

But language based things wouldn't make much sense. We have that already

[small wing]

I don't see how you don't see the connection with that though Mic.

[ornate garnet]

They could remove private instances and force people to interact 😂

[small wing]

That would make it easier for people to find the right servers with the same language.

[rigid crescent]

What a terrible idea lol

[small wing]

Ur a terrible idea 😏

[rigid crescent]

I'm wondering how it'd make it easier I mean. I might be missing something is all

[queen mango]

But that would mean segmenting off other players who wanted to learn Japanese.

[small wing]

No, you could still join those servers.

[rigid crescent]

Like if I wanna speak Japanese I don't need s Japanese server I just go to a Japanese map

[ornate garnet]

It’s like the Russian Highrise world. Pretty much everyone there speaks Russian

Just gotta find the worlds

[rigid crescent]

There's a Brazilian map also I think.

[small wing]

If I learned anything Its that worlds where people speak any language other than English still hold themselves up pretty well and manage to keep it pretty grouped up. But its still a huge waste of time to go into a world that is 300MB for it only to be full of people who you cannot communicate to.

[languid beacon]

The only thing mentioned in the dev stream is that they would have other locations besides America to host instances in so that you can choose one that is closest to most of the people in that instance

It sounded to me like a dynamic thing that would happen automatically in the background

[small wing]

Just having server's set up in certain regions would be enough if they made it known in the client so that you know the risks before joining a world.

I got vote kicked for speaking English around 5 times already over the past 2 years.

I just wanna avoid that all together.

[languid beacon]

I don’t think that would really change

[umbral reef]

Just the money it would cost is enough reason to not do that

[small wing]

They are already talking about it so there has to be some more reason's.

[ornate garnet]

I personally think that VRChat should open up on the NYSE

[queen mango]

Stocks, eh?

[umbral reef]

In my ears they shut down the idea and nothing else

[ornate garnet]

Investment could make the game soar

[umbral reef]

They want to, but they only gave negative reasons for it

Investing in VRC stocks would be donating money to who knows...

[languid beacon]

Vrchat is already entirely funded by investments I thought

[ornate garnet]

Future installments of VR games and less reliance on HTC as a benefactor

[languid beacon]

I thought it was Facebook

[ornate garnet]

Even though HTC is making it rain

Nah they got an initial $4M investment from HTC

[umbral reef]

Facebook giving money without that game being an exclusive or geting them directly money?

[languid beacon]

Conflicting rumors make me believe none of it is actually true

[ornate garnet]

Not sure about other VR developers

Since the introduction of VRC, headset sales skyrocketed

You should’ve seen the stocks

[rigid crescent]

The only confirmed sources are erhe documented ones

[ornate garnet]

Oculus alone net FB over $2bil

[vocal shard]

90$ already spent on the steam sale

[languid beacon]

Yeah vrc was the reason at least 10 of my friends got headsets and multiple got full body

[rigid crescent]

HTC being one

[vocal shard]

is htc worth the money

[rigid crescent]

https://pitchbook.com/profiles/company/122673-79

[languid beacon]

I wonder what percentage of HTC body tractor sales are not actually for VR chat

[rigid crescent]

Is HTC worth the millions of dollars they've gotten for vrchat? I think so.

[ornate garnet]

I can’t think of other games that support FBT atm

[rigid crescent]

Officially? A few

Some of the shooters, that climbing game, beat saber unofficially

[ornate garnet]

The only reason to have FBT for beat saber is if they attach two more sabers to the feet 😂

[languid beacon]

NeosVR does

Beat saber with modsdoes

[rigid crescent]

Nah for dancing

[umbral reef]

Tbh i think all neosVR peeps got the tracking because of VRC before they jumped ship

[rigid crescent]

Yeah most likely

I'm working on a full body avatar for beat saber, it's just annoying rigging it right compared to vrc

[ornate garnet]

I’d buy VRC stock though

Probably wouldn’t get a return on the investment but I like to support things I enjoy

[unique pelican]

is vrchat up and running again?

[umbral reef]

You do know stocks aint really an investment for the game?

[rigid crescent]

https://puu.sh/DKvQG/41a57cd379.mp4

This one I grabbed from Booth and retexturee

[ornate garnet]

It’s for the company yes

Which is basically for whatever their endeavors are

[rigid crescent]

Just buy them from HTC

[ornate garnet]

I hold an investment in Microsoft, I know I’m not specifically investing in Minecraft 😂

[umbral reef]

Also a game like this would have such low or downward trending stocks with its flaws, community and no way to obtain any money right now that id hurt them more then anything

[rigid crescent]

My uncle made a quick dime when Disney bought out marvel

[polar elm]

[ornate garnet]

Not necessarily, with such big names investing in the game and the growing popularity of VR/AR it actually has really good upward mobility

[umbral reef]

You know when they last invested right? That was like before the knucle boom

[ornate garnet]

I’m glad they haven’t capitalized on VRC though

[umbral reef]

Also just an userbase means nothing
Silicon valley snowballing and earning money later is popular and its also a popular way to get your company destroyed.

[rigid crescent]

Yeah that's true it was really just s gamble for them

Still is of course

[ornate garnet]

A $4m investment on a small tech developer firm is quite a big one

I’m sure they’re nowhere near close to exhausting that yet

[rigid crescent]

Theres other ones also and probably a few that haven't been updated

[umbral reef]

People working fulltime cost a shit ton, servers aint cheap and the money wont last forever.
Just having it does not mean they are safe-

They had more then two seeding rounds?

[rigid crescent]

3 I think

And there was the fund thing from some tech investor

[ornate garnet]

How many full time employees does VRC have?

[rigid crescent]

It was an acronym

20-something idk about full-time tho

[ornate garnet]

I’m pretty sure it’s under 10

Well

[rigid crescent]

I count 11 on the sidebar

[ornate garnet]

Maybe more

[umbral reef]

Its not- Thats for sure

[ornate garnet]

Around 20 sounds reasonable

[umbral reef]

Its between 16-20 last time i checked so

[ornate garnet]

If you include every employee including board members I’d say yeah over 20

[rigid crescent]

Which there's 2 of last I saw lol

[ornate garnet]

Bjorn and Seth?

[rigid crescent]

Should be on the pitch book

[ornate garnet]

Maybe Teppei

[tranquil cobalt]

The entire staff is actually advanced AI, and VRChat is just building itself at this point.

[floral coral]

So can we... fix the major glaring issue of the game not closing

[tranquil cobalt]

You'd have to ask the AI

[floral coral]

I'm trying to reboot cause someone broke the freakin youtube dl for the 506840398594th time

But the game is just stuck on screen

Frozen, no sound, but it's still there and the process can't be ended

And forced to reboot once again. This is the first time it’s happened too, was there some recent patch?

[thorny lark]

taskkill /f /im vrchat.exe in cmd next time that happens

[mighty cradle]

pkill VRChat.exe in tty2... wait

[proven lion]

Where do I post a cool world idea for vrc team? Like a hub idea?

[languid beacon]

Probably https://vrchat.canny.io/feature-requests

Or just here

[proven lion]

It would be really cool to have the random world feature in vrc game menu. Or have a world with like a blackhole or something that if you jumped into it took you to a random public world. Would be fun.

[pure sparrow]

They use to have that

[mighty cradle]

try the old hub

[vestal pier]

The vrchat website has a random world generator too

[proven lion]

Oh yes that's what was in the center. I'll check it out. Thanks!

[languid beacon]

Probably none of us know if there is a human being here from Palenetine

But to answer the second question they would probably be from Palestine

[jade swallow]

Me and my bf are having trouble join worlds. We just get sent to the default home. We can't even enter our home worlds.

[dusty mist]

same I'm having issues currently joining worlds.

[languid beacon]

You cannot use 15 anymore also it’s not the latest unity

We’re on 28 now.

Latest will also not work

[vocal shard]

you know what the most annoying part is? having the cursor to get stuck to the center every time you open the game

[languid beacon]

Hi Ralsei. Open the big menu and it unlocks

[leaden basalt]

yo, anybody know where to find a toonami tom avatar?

[soft chasm]

how much hours do you need on vrchat so you can upload an avatar?

[inner cape]

^

[soft chasm]

oh

anyone up for a game of murder?

[fervent tree]

What the hell? Is there an exploit going around where people are able to ban you from worlds for an hour?

I was in a world with my friend and it booted me out saying more than half of the people kicked me, but that wasn't the case

and im banned for an hour

even though I literally did nothing

[small wing]

@leaden basalt The only model that was publicly released was from a cartoon network game. Try looking for that one.

[leaden basalt]

tanks

[small wing]

What about tanks?

Tanks are cool.

[rigid crescent]

i mean they probably vote kicked you

it wouldnt have happened otherwise

[trail robin]

my safety settings dont work right. every time i enter a new world i have to reactivate them for them to work, if there is a new person that joins they wont load unless i reactivate the settings again. idk if anyone can help me out

[dire palm]

I think doesnt work for everyone

[finite sky]

Does anyone know the world with the ASH Ketchum avatar from X & Y era with a pikachu on his shoulder and a dancing pikachu onj his hat when you press shift+f6? I recently lost him and i do ash impressions to make people smile :((

Any and all ash avatars dont seem to be tagged properly so its impossible to find them by just typing his name in or pokemon

[vestal sleet]

can someone tell me how to change your status

[small wing]

You click edit status in the social tab above your friend's.

[wispy gulch]

that Rapunzel world is pretty fun, nice mechanics

[vagrant juniper]

I reset my cache and restarted my pc and reset my router and everyone is a stop motion picture

And i have 40 ping

[wispy gulch]

try running one of those network speed tests?

[vagrant juniper]

Did

[hybrid prism]

help oculus client sends me spinning to the righy in vrchat

[vagrant juniper]

Over 100 download and 20 upload

[wispy gulch]

interesting

got command line? try actual manual ping times?

[vagrant juniper]

Its only in the pug though

Its been doing after the small update they had

Manual ping is 38

[wispy gulch]

could be the pug. it has some strange things. hollow hidden voids. a pc only area.

[glad hazel]

Anyone good with avatars? I need help with a snail marker issue :c

[vagrant juniper]

Yeah

[glad hazel]

For some reason the ink is writing in red when its not supposed to

[wispy gulch]

getting a beefy pc shortly. mmm, avatars 😄

i'll be able to enjoy some PC hotness, but i really love my quest too

[true timber]

is the youtube player going to be fixed any time soon

or do we have to wait for the next patch in a month just to watch youtube videos again

[wispy gulch]

i just saw a quest user with a 207,000 multimaterial multi stuff avatar. noice.

[unborn cloak]

if i uninstall vrchat then reinstall vrchat will i lose all of my avatars?

[simple shore]

No, as long as you have a account

[unborn cloak]

ok

[jade swift]

hi

[simple shore]

Also, does anyone think that I can run VR Chat at low settings on the original Oculus Rift if my pc specs are:
CPU: Pentium G3258
RAM: 8g (yikes, I know)
GPU: Nividia Geforce 960ti

[desert stratus]

your RAM is what makes you go yikes?

id be surprised if a pentium could run WMR

[simple shore]

wmr?

[hot prairie]

windows mixed reality

[simple shore]

ahh

[hot prairie]

8 gb of ram is like, the average nowadays

it's not really yikes but not exactly "wow" either

anything below that would be yikes

[simple shore]

true

[vocal shard]

I don't think it could, wmr needs AVX and I think a Pentium lacks that

[rancid vessel]

I'm on a PC that has the specs:
AMD FX-6300
8GB DDR3-1600
1TB HDD
AMD RX 460 2GB OC
From this machine I even checked with oculus compat tool it said not compatible.. I would see why as I mean I have lagging issues here and there in VRChat with these specs.. The Pentium G3258 is apparently about on par with the FX I got.. So My guess would be.. Oculus wouldn't work.

[simple shore]

I am sad now. I saw a listing on craigslist for a oculus rift and 2 controllers and 2 sensors for 100 dollars, but right when I texted the owner he said he just sold it... that's a big rip

Thank you @rancid vessel

FeelsBad, but then again I have to jump to reality and relize that I need an upgrade xD

[vocal shard]

[unborn cloak]

ok since the server shutdown acouple days ago ive been trying to load into vrchat and in the blue loading screen i lag really bad and it doesnt stop

[jade swift]

hi

[wispy gulch]

it's pretty neat though, that many first gen but still useful first gen or so VR hardware is "so cheap" now

[vocal shard]

So how long are the devs going to continue to preach the polygon myth? Polygon count is NOT the problem. It's optimization.
I've seen creator after creator debunk it again and again. But now it's even being enforced with deletion? Whaaaaat?

[hot prairie]

whenever I move, my finger gestures reset to default

how do i turn that off?

I'm using WMR controllers with the joystick bindings

[harsh star]

I find it weird that when I stand I have no custom animations, but when I sit I do. Will probably remake the avatar sometime.

[still lark]

@vocal shard So you don't mind if I hop into your face with 25 million polygons?

[vestal pier]

What exactly is "the polygon myth"

[wispy gulch]

is that where people who spent $5k on early access VR can't face blister pack bought at the super market quality? 😄

[vocal shard]

Oh now I'm not allowed to post or it's spam now? WTF? And then it lets me.......what...
Since slow mode is going into overdrive. I guess I'll just edit this to say it.
People have been complaining because their high poly avatars got deleted. Despite plenty of people saying they worked better than many lower poly ones. And the myth originally was 20,000 is too much. Now it's 70,000 (on desktop). And for quest 5,000.
Even though people had made 15k avatars that guess what? Ran better than the 5k ones. What did vrchat do? Deleted them for being too high poly. Because high poly is "bad for performance". Despite users clearly experiencing the opposite.

[still lark]

The bot might catch you

[vestal pier]

You probably used a keyword or too many caps, whats the polygon myth?

[vocal shard]

What I said up there. It wouldn't let me say it in a new post/comment for some reason.

[wispy gulch]

i guess that 270k poly a quest user had today was awful? 😄

[vocal shard]

It really depends. What I would see is what users have to say about it. Ask them how well it's running.
Rather than just assume something and run with it.

[pastel galleon]

Polys do matter as well, but yeah the quest limit rn is a bit low

[wispy gulch]

it had everything wrong with it. multiples. materials. bones. things.

honestly, it was crazy, but a quest user had it, and it looked great, and my frame rate was 50-60+

"worked for me"

[still lark]

Oculus recommends 100k TOTAL polygons.

[wispy gulch]

ultimately, what's going to have to happen: avatars that degrade gracefully, as user count goes up

100k total, including world, and ALL other users

[vocal shard]

Ah then it likely was awful indeed.
And well yeah. But not as much as they make it out to be. I know people with 1,000,000 Poly avatars they made to debunk the myth back when 20k was the limit. (On desktop). lol And they aren't even running close to VRchat or VR for that matters minimum spec.
Literally a GTX 670. o.o Ah true. I guess there is a point with that. But still.

[wispy gulch]

i don't really need 50 frames/second while talking to someone

[still lark]

Yes but other people probably want decent frames. lol

[wispy gulch]

so, with 4GHz 6 cores and a 2080, should i care?

[vocal shard]

Yeah. I was referring to optimized avatars that were "too high poly".
As in they had zero performance issues.

[wispy gulch]

just have scaled levels. harder on devs.

1-10, dumb to smart

if you can process higher counts, it's on you

[pastel galleon]

I used to lag immensely when using a 970 to look at a user with 200k+ polys, along with other users in a room

[wispy gulch]

by that count, a Quest is better than a 970

[pastel galleon]

If you need more than 70k without animations you're just lazy to optimize

[vocal shard]

eh I remember getting nasty lag with the old default avatars.

But others with much higher poly counts were fine.

[pastel galleon]

Default avatars were bad, idk if they got reworked recently, but they had a lot of draw calls

And some were ironically more than 20k which was the limit

[wispy gulch]

how much load is actually put on the cloud aspect? little?

it's all on the client

[pastel galleon]

Only IK probably

[still lark]

IK and a little voice.

oh also RPCs, Object Sync

[vocal shard]

ohhhhhh

[pastel galleon]

Afaik voice still has a lot of impact on local performance somehow

[shadow sparrow]

Question, does uploading private worlds raise rank too?

[north axle]

Nobody knows.

In fact, I'm not sure if uploading public worlds changes your rank, it seems like the number of users who visited it is what matters but — again — I'm not sure.

[inner cape]

there is no such thing as uploading public worlds
you upload one, its private by default and then it needs to be approved to get public

but it still counts as content creation and uploading it, so just like avatars it should count

[pastel galleon]

Wait I never tried uploading worlds, so if I upload a world like my own home world, will it automatically get public even if I don't want it to?

[inner cape]

no

once again, youd need to request it to be public and if it passes then it will be made public

[pastel galleon]

Isn't it automatic now tho
I see a lot of low effort worlds being pushed out of community labs

[inner cape]

just dont upload it to community labs or request it to be public then

the system that checks the worlds may be automatic, but you still need to request it yourself

[north axle]

That's as public as it gets.

[wispy gulch]

just ran into the 207k poly guy. freaky number of materials, bones, particles, etc. inside a very busy world (cobalt club), still had 30 frames

[north axle]

I heard there's a 1 GB avatar.

Just a rumor but still impressive.

[strong charm]

Who... ever made that is... a legend

[umbral reef]

@wispy gulch I know math is hard
But you do can realize that one bad avatar wont push your CPU/GPU over the limit?
While having more then one of them might?

Think of it like a bucket of water.
When its full its perfect
Every avatar takes a bit of water to run.
The worse optimized the avatar the more avatar.
One large cup of water wont make it go empty, loads of semi large cups will.
(Also 30 FPS is legit scaping the barrel in FPS anyway)

[wispy gulch]

as a point of ref i am a pretty good dev, so i get the math.

that said, i'm seeing a number of people, in various environments, while using a $400 device with "suggested limits" perform more than well enough

[umbral reef]

Perofrm more than well enough means?

[wispy gulch]

i'll be running a latest intel chipset + 2080maxq shortly for comparison (no comparison), but eh

there's a continuum of performance. it's not black or white or hard limits.

oculus "suggests" 100k total for all users + the world

[umbral reef]

As for me that means the 90 FPS one needs for VR or at minium the 45 FPS to function well on the just above minimum specs.
And RN thats more of a dream in most rooms then reality unlike ~2 years ago.

[wispy gulch]

oclus rift+s can't even operate at 90 iirc. 80? unless they offer a new mode.

Quest nominal max limit is 70

[umbral reef]

80 then in that case and quest is for a reason way more limited

[wispy gulch]

"for a reason" 😄 heh. weirdly, i've actually seen higher number live on a quest. not sure why, probably lying.

[umbral reef]

The game didnt limit uploads at start

[wispy gulch]

i'll probably have an Index in a month or two, or something up that way.

i know!

it was awesome 😄 nobody i know even complained

i understand it's "for the greater good"

but i also can do math

[umbral reef]

Worlds where optimized for the oculus GO so they where hella fine
And i heard plenty of quest users complain they could not reach the max within rooms. 🤷

[wispy gulch]

i'd like to see that data

there's a couple wondrous rooms that really show what VR can do even with limits

there's a lot of PC users than have what would count as poor systems right now

[umbral reef]

of people complaining? Join crossplay worlds.
For the go? Literally ask the world creators as the first test builds for the quest was for the Go
And if it runs fine on a way weaker machine then it runs fine on the quest was the mindset

[wispy gulch]

the Quest is likely a bit more amazing than i think some people want to admit.

doesn't have the computes of my PC system, but, does it need it? i'm not planning on sorting millions of star charts that way

but bake the data down? mmm. fun.

anyway, i noticed the sun is coming up. i have to get SOME sleep. nice chatting.

[hot prairie]

^ that's a mood

[thorny olive]

Can someone help me i was thinking of getting quest but i gotta know what will happen ingame compared to regular perfomance wise. Will it hide all regular players from me? Is there any way to turn this setting off so i can see and use all avatars?

Is there any way i can play vrchat with it the same way a rift can play it

Or is there a better headset coming out that can handle it all wireless

[pastel galleon]

it hides avatars that are not uploaded on the quest, it hides those that are more than 10k polys, there's not a setting to display blocked avatars by the system

you used to be able to connect the quest to a pc like a normal headset with some program but they recently shut it down so idk if it can be used that way anymore

I think the vive cosmos will be like the quest? I'm not sure what specs it has tho

[thorny olive]

@pastel galleon do you think i should sell my oculus rift for quest?

[pastel galleon]

eh I don't think so, if you have a powerful pc to run it I don't see the point, unless you plan to travel a lot and need a mobile vr headset

depends on what you're interested in

[thorny olive]

Ig I'll wait for new headsets

I also hate my ocuus very much its so uncomfortable

No matter how loose or whateve position i put it in

And i had it for a year

[vocal shard]

I've tested most mainstream VR's I own [Vive, Vive Pro. Rift, Rift S and Pimax 8k, waiting on my index] and after trying Quest the other week I can tell you that it'll be a poor choice imo. Rift >>> Quest hands down when it comes to VRC. Besides oculus in general is a poor choice.

Get an index 4head

[thorny olive]

I just don't want a pc to be able to use vr and i wanna still be able to play vrc fully and mod beatsaber

Play space mover is something i want too

[pastel galleon]

that'll be in a couple of years then lol

[thorny olive]

But i want full drive in a few years☹

[vocal shard]

Yeah I understand the pc situation, it's the main reason I use wireless on my vpro

[pastel galleon]

I've heard index is pretty comfy

[vocal shard]

sadly when my index arrives i gotta go back to that shitty wired situation ;c

[thorny olive]

When do u guys think fulldive like sao would be out

[inner cape]

like, next week

[thorny olive]

-_-

[lofty tundra]

did anyone else noticed that dynamic bones arent working on other people anymore except on yourself? and yes, before you ask the dynamic bone limiter is off

[inner cape]

nope, just you

[pastel galleon]

^

[thorny olive]

Is the vive cosmos wireless

@pastel galleon

And do u think it can run vrchat regularly

[vocal shard]

Went into this one room and some chick was yelling at some dude for harassing her and telling the entire room that he was fake, and she was real. I was like, there's a block feature you know. PEPEGA

[pastel galleon]

it's not even out yet and there aren't many informations about it so idk

[vocal shard]

I have a pimax with index controllers it works great.

[pastel galleon]

but if it's completely wireless, no it can't run vrchat regularly

[vocal shard]

unfortunately I can't use my vive trackers anymore

[pastel galleon]

wait a decade

[meager solstice]

@thorny olive I believe the vive cosmos is not wireless

[thorny olive]

What next headset will be

Besides quest

[meager solstice]

It is a rift s competitor

None have been announced

[thorny olive]

I want a wireless one but i wanna be able to play vrchat fully :(

[meager solstice]

Get vive plus wireless adapter

If u have pc

[thorny olive]

Thats dumb asf i wanna go anywhere i want with it why would i buy that

[meager solstice]

The tech + market isnt there for a high end standalone headset

[thorny olive]

Huh

[meager solstice]

oops I edited it

Meant to say it *isnt

[rough pulsar]

The problem is the amount of processing for PC VR quality is just not reasonably portable.

[meager solstice]

That headset would be hella expensive as well

[rough pulsar]

If you want 'portable' PC VR get a VR capable laptop and a WMR HMD or a Rift S.

[meager solstice]

^ that’s an idea

[rough pulsar]

It's not at the kind of portability of the Quest, but I find that setup pretty good for if I want to get out of the house and continue doing VR stuff.
Unplug vive, stick WMR & laptop in a bag, go out, find a wall socket and I'm good.

[meager solstice]

Maybe this is just my opinion but I don’t really care about “portability” for vr

[rough pulsar]

I totally understand, it's a feature that's not for everyone.
It's worked out great for me when travelling since I can just pack stuff up and take it with me, but I can understand those who don't care for that at all either.

[umbral reef]

Legit, only reason im out of my house is when im working or doing other stuff

I VR at my home and i just have an easy to move PC for demo's

When i have vacation il lay at the beach doing lazy boy stuff, not actively fitniss in VR

[meager solstice]

Like if I want to play games, it’s not for 30-40mins it’s like 4-5 hours

So vr for a car ride doesn’t seem like a good idea

For example my friend got a quest for “portability” yet..... hasn’t played it outside his house

[umbral reef]

Ow my i cant even think of how annoying VR in a ca would be for others

[meager solstice]

I can understand not liking the pc wire.... but not enough to just yeet it entirely

Mine looks like a pretzel half the time

[vocal shard]

when vr chat says to update my graphic drivers where do i find that at

[meager solstice]

What gpu u have?

@vocal shard

[vocal shard]

?gpu

[meager solstice]

Graphics card

[vocal shard]

amd radeon TM hd 8400 graphics

[meager solstice]

https://www.amd.com/en/support/kb/faq/gpu-driver-autodetect

@vocal shard follow this

[vocal shard]

ok

[meager solstice]

Should lead u to new drivers

I believe

[idle nova]

Build a mini ITX system, it's cheaper than a laptop

[vocal shard]

i dont have money

[ruby needle]

It's also something completely different then a laptop

[vocal shard]

no one wants to hire someone with a lot of health issues

[covert linden]

untrue I know many people who havfe terrible health issues that even impairs them from standing for long and theyre able to get a job

heck my old coworker couldnt even stand for 30minutes and she still worked at fast food as a cashier

[ruby needle]

But for what money is the question 😄

[covert linden]

she earns just as much as the rest of us

its not great money but its money

[languid beacon]

Inside tracking headsets need to have the option to be wireless or it feels pointless

Still need wires

[covert linden]

I disagree

[vocal shard]

some idiot in the game just said that I was lying that I had an i7-7700k with 2 1080tis because the cpu would "bottleneck" the two cards

LOL fail troll much

[umbral reef]

Plenty of jobs that want someone who is willing to work for a few hours
Wont be high paying or high skilled work often but ey- works work

[ruby needle]

ISO is not pointless with wires. It still removes a lot of extra stuff and hassle

Ofc wireless would be sick but thats a different thing

[covert linden]

Thats like saying I already have lighthouses so why should I have to plug in the headset

[languid beacon]

Does SLI not suck? I only used it like 10 years ago and most games actually ran worse

[rough pulsar]

@vocal shard For vrchat most CPUs would bottleneck the GPUs

[umbral reef]

Most games dont even support SLI anymore so...

[ruby needle]

SLI does suck yeah.

[vocal shard]

It doesn't suck. I run 1080 ti 2 way sli with an i7-7700k overclocked to 5ghz liquid cooler with 2 1080tis overclocked and cooled with a box fan

works fine

[ruby needle]

ofc it works

but thats not the point

[languid beacon]

I think it doesn’t suck because of everything else

It’s limited gains

[rough pulsar]

Not saying it does suck, I was saying that the way vrchat works (especially with the poorly optimized user content) would bottleneck the GPUs because of a lack of significant parallel processing.

[umbral reef]

Barely any game support it so just for that its useless 🤷

[vocal shard]

Apparently you guys don't know what the Pimax does. xD

[languid beacon]

When people say it sucks they mean it’s not worth the price vs performance compared to just getting a better gpu

[umbral reef]

Needing a special patch anyway to have it run well if an AAA game supports it

[short oxide]

How do I get my friend to join vrchat

[umbral reef]

Tell them to join?

[rough pulsar]

@vocal shard Then tell us

[languid beacon]

Put a headset on his face @short oxide

[short oxide]

I'm too poor for a headset

[covert linden]

Tell them if they dont you wont talk to them for a whole 5 minutes

[short oxide]

:o

U monster

[vocal shard]

Gallium if you were the guy I was just talking to in game then I would suggest that you calm yourself down a bit. No moderator should be acting out that way in game. I really hope you weren't the guy I just talked to.

[covert linden]

I wouldnt just assume stuff like that.

That isnt ok

[rough pulsar]

@vocal shard I'm not in vrchat right now

[rigid crescent]

I'm pretty sure discord mods can act any way they want lol

[rough pulsar]

In VRChat we're the same as any other regular user

[umbral reef]

Also you can say Pixam has SLI while being half wrong
The games itself dont support SLI natively what makes it a slight gain really.
Its still better for sure but just like with non VR related games, it needs special work to function right

[rough pulsar]

So whoever that was you were talking to wasn't me

[rigid crescent]

Gallium's clone

[rough pulsar]

I met my clone a month or so ago, it was weird

[rigid crescent]

Or the good one

[umbral reef]

And from my own experience plenty of games brick in VR even with the pimax when SLI'd

[vocal shard]

the guy I just talked to about it was telling me that I was lying about my setup because of bottlenecking. I get what you mean by paralel projections but the Pimax headset does not run like other VRHeadsets and it doubles the frames as long as you are able to hit a solid 45 FPS in game. My computer works just fine and I never lag or crash in VRChat with all my overclock settings. When I overclock my computer I have to keep a fan running inside the case to keep the gpu's cool.

[rigid crescent]

[umbral reef]

Well not running the games SLI would mean you can about hit those caps

[vocal shard]

because it's a simple cost efficient way to overclock a GPU.

[rough pulsar]

Also that frame doubling is Reprojection/motion smoothing and pretty much all HMDs do that

[languid beacon]

Yeah I just don’t see the point in having SLi if you just aren’t using it

[umbral reef]

And you can say what you want but a GPU needs info, the games provides the info not the headset.
If games dont support SLI at all or work arounds for it, it does not boost anything

[rough pulsar]

There's like, 4 VR games that even support SLI

[languid beacon]

I’ve used it I’m allowed to say I hated it

it was a long time ago on dual 270’s. So I thought things might be different now

[vocal shard]

the fact that the dude said that 2 way 1080 ti would be a bottleneck for an overclocked i7-7700k at 5ghz just blows my mind.

The guy was clearly just trolling.

[umbral reef]

@brisk bone Games need to support it properly and thats the main problem
A well made SLI game runs perfect on it. One that just released or without support does not...

The golden age of SLI support has passed by now

[languid beacon]

It didn’t get support 10 years ago and it still doesn’t. It never will

[vocal shard]

I mean I love SLI. It works great. 2 1080 tis works WAY better than a single 2080 ti

[languid beacon]

I would hope so

[rough pulsar]

And then there's me over here, not caring about SLI because my 1080s get used more for compute tasks than realtime graphics 😆

[umbral reef]

And the thing is, the VR SLI that Nvidea has is amazing
But its not properly supported at all by most games so far i know

[languid beacon]

Then there’s me with my single 970 playing VR while being the dog in the house on fire meme

[vocal shard]

then there's that one dude that doesn't believe that I run a Pimax on VRChat.

for whatever reason lol only because most people are using vives, or oculus

[rough pulsar]

Oh you'll get people saying all kinds of shit in vrc. I know a dude with a Pimax in vrc and it runs just fine for him.

[vocal shard]

It's amazing in VRChat. The wide FOV is amazing.

same for resolution

[rough pulsar]

I hear the distortion towards the edges can be a problem though

[vocal shard]

Not a fan of the refresh rate though wish it was higher

[rough pulsar]

Isn't it 90hz like most other PC VR?

[vocal shard]

I mean yeah but that's only because of the way the headset is made you have to find the "sweet spot" for everything to pop in the headset

they are still making the headband piece for it

[covert linden]

Its pointless if it went higher since vrchat only goes to 90fps

[languid beacon]

What is the Index vs pimax FoV?

[rough pulsar]

Pimax is way higher by a lot

[vocal shard]

the only difference between Pimax and Index is the Index has higher refresh rate

[covert linden]

I forgot there were other vr games for a second

[vocal shard]

Everything else on the Pimax is better

[languid beacon]

So it basically boils down to do you want FoV or framerate

[umbral reef]

Controllers tho

[vocal shard]

FOV , resolution vs framerate.

they work with any controller or base stations

[languid beacon]

Isn’t pimax also lighthouse?

[rough pulsar]

Yup

[vocal shard]

Yee

[languid beacon]

Knuckles aren’t a datapoint then

[covert linden]

Fov, resolution vs framerate, knuckles

[umbral reef]

V1 or V2 lighthouse?

[vocal shard]

both

[rough pulsar]

v2

[languid beacon]

You can use them with pimax

[covert linden]

You can also.use them with the rift s

[rough pulsar]

Pretty much everything after the Vive uses the v2 sensors

[covert linden]

Point is, it doesnt come with it

[languid beacon]

I would not wish hybrid on anyone

[vocal shard]

They use both v1, and v2. Also have their own track controllers similiar to the ones from the Index. You can also use the Index Controller with Pimax.

[languid beacon]

Hybrid works but it’s the opposite of convienent even with how much space calibrator streamlined the process

[rough pulsar]

Yeah, except Valve have beaten pimax to the market with their controllers, which some people didn't believe would happen considering Valve's history of "it'll be done when it's done"

[vocal shard]

I use v1 tracking sadly. I haven't updated yet. I plan on getting better controllers first before I get new base stations

Valve did really well with their headsets. I might actually pick one up just because of the higher refresh rate myself.

[rough pulsar]

Index Controllers all the way dude. I've had the EV3 & DV prototypes and they're amazing.

[languid beacon]

I’m at oculus cv1 + 3cameras + 2 1.0 vive base stations + 3 2.0 body trackers. Getting a 1K Index kit and selling everything except the body trackers

[vocal shard]

and just use my Pimax when I want better quality.

[idle nova]

PiMax is definitely interesting, but build quality still concerns me

Also heard they might not work well with glasses

[vocal shard]

yeah index has their knuckles but Pimax can use the Index knuckles as well on their headsets and they are making their own cheaper version of the index knuckles

[languid beacon]

I wish it was possible to demo the pimax

[vocal shard]

oh it's amazing. I sold my old headset right away after I got mine. It took some getting used to because it's similar to the DK2. You have to fiddle with it for an hour or two to figure out how to use it. but it's amazing once you have everything down.

[idle nova]

Pimax is kinda a one trick pony

[vocal shard]

the only difference with Pimax is you need an Ultra Gaming computer to run it properly because it's a very high demanding headset

[idle nova]

Sure it's got that awesome FOV and solid resolution, but the cheapest one is more expensive than Index and everything else on it seems either on par with Vive or mediocre

[vocal shard]

1080ti bare minimum. Nothing lower than that I recommend.

for the pimax

[languid beacon]

Oh don’t say it’s like dK2 I absolutely hated DK2. It made me sick constantly and it turned me off or VR and I didn’t get back into it until I tried my friends CV1

[vocal shard]

I mean like how you had to fiddle with it to get it to work with certain things.

and after a while you got used to it and could do it easily

[languid beacon]

Hm. Oculus’s plug and go is really nice. I highly value ease of use

[idle nova]

You mean with the Rift S?

[vocal shard]

yeah then get the Index for sure. I just recommend the Pimax because it's an overkill headset for enthusiasts.

[idle nova]

I would love to try one

[vocal shard]

I'm sure they demo in certain places. They opened a United States center recently.

I think they have one in the UK as well.

oh and don't get me started on the microphone

the microphone is the best

[languid beacon]

So much that I have vive body trackers but often don’t use them just because it’s inconvienent to sync up the play spaces every time I want to launch vrchat

[idle nova]

That sounds annoying

[languid beacon]

Full body is fun but my oculus and vive playspaces constantly drift apart

I’ve never seen anyone go into why

Some people never get any drift

[trim birch]

[storm stag]

Man I wish they bring back the old Avatar stats.