vrchat-general-2

[small wing]

I wanna get those tactile suits

[floral aspen]

Rip my wallet

[brittle jolt]

No one said VR is cheap :^)

[languid beacon]

I have oculus + vive FBT and i'm still buying an full index kit :>

[covert chasm]

i'm a huge valve shill fan, i will gladly throw a thousand bucks at them for a valve HMD

[small wing]

Play skyrim VR with tactile feedback and a treadmill. it's nuts.

[covert chasm]

glaaaadly

[small wing]

I got a subpack, its insane in vr

[brittle jolt]

Tupper where do you got all that money from tho? 🤔

[covert chasm]

this weird thing i found

[rigid crescent]

did yall get one?

[small wing]

Bomb's drop around me and i can feel the room shake

[covert chasm]

i got someone to pay me for performing labor

suckers

[floral aspen]

I still need to upgrade my gpu too. My 980 runs most VR titles okay, but I fear some newer vr titles will start to push it's limits

[brittle jolt]

Is there some "special contract" between you and Graham? :^)))

[covert chasm]

i also have no hobbies except vr

so like

[rigid crescent]

yo imagine getting fired from VRChat but your boss hosts all your hangouts so you always have to see them 👀

[vocal shard]

Sounds lonely

[small wing]

Anime tiddies are a hobby

I love anime tiddies

[vocal shard]

😳

[small wing]

Cause they are spheres

[floral aspen]

I sometimes miss when I was unemployed and could spend literally all day in vrchat

[small wing]

😏

[rigid crescent]

same

[covert chasm]

same tidus

[rigid crescent]

two more weeks and i'll be unemployed and coast off this temp job money ❤

[dark harness]

oh, yeah, if you go into most hobby shops there's a row in the back marked "tiddies", right next to "model trains"

[tawdry widget]

@small wing how is the subpack? I'd love to get one for music production

[hushed oxide]

Hi System

[brittle jolt]

System what kinda shops do you go to? xD

[dark harness]

O HAI

[small wing]

@tawdry widget It's perfect for mixing low end.

[hushed oxide]

❤

[covert chasm]

i've thought about getting into FPV drone flying but i don't have the workbench space for that tbh 🤔

[tawdry widget]

was considering getting one of the Backbeats (A sub that fits on your guitar strap for bass players)

[small wing]

You can get really nice fletchers with it.

[rigid crescent]

coast off it til after twitchcon where i waste a bunch of money on food and alcohol, then get a rEaL jOb

[small wing]

Never used those, but i had a friend who said they were useful.

[floral aspen]

I've seen some videos of fpv drones. Looks hard af to fly one. They go so fast I'd be afraid I couldn't react in time to not fly into shit lol

[rigid crescent]

just make a map ingame where you can fly a drone and record from it, e z

[small wing]

Subpack all the way though. I work with heavy bass music all the time and after buying I noticed so much was wrong with my lower sub harmonics that the sub pack helped me fix.

[tawdry widget]

yeah, It's hard to dial in the low end without feeling it, even if you can hear it

[small wing]

It also doubles as a nice massage lol.

[covert chasm]

ooh, an fpv flight sim in vrchat

[tawdry widget]

I picked up Submarine and RBass from the Waves sale

[covert chasm]

that sounds fun

[dapper tinsel]

Hello?

[covert chasm]

hi

[rigid crescent]

once udon comes out all these suckers talented people will be making games ingame for me to play for free

[covert chasm]

[small wing]

Even for stuff like metal music and most saw wave type mixdowns that metal would have can utilize a subpack pretty well.

Helps for cleaning out a lot of rumble in the lower mids.

[floral aspen]

We're getting close to 2 years since some form of in game scripting was announced

[brittle jolt]

I wonder @covert chasm if you could make "remote viewpoints/cameras" like so you could attach a camera to a drone and fly with it, (without using weird seats)

[small wing]

But out of everything else its best for fletchering subs so they don't sound like poop on loudspeakers.

[rigid crescent]

how do people record cinematic stuff in VR? I've seen some fairly smooth camera work

axis locked playspace mover?

[small wing]

Movement space options on the camera

[rigid crescent]

👀 is that what all the buttons i never read the documentation for do

[floral aspen]

@brittle jolt it's already been done. In a puzzle world I found last year when you got to the end there were little camera drones you could fly around to watch people still trying to solve the puzzle

[small wing]

They also do shaders in some worlds that force a perspective on the stream camera from a world camera that is animated.

[rigid crescent]

wait what :0

[small wing]

Yeah

[brittle jolt]

Well yeah that was most likely done with seats, but then you cant see yourself, and you cannot return to the point where you where, and other problems

[rigid crescent]

oh wait i think i've seen that on a stream

they used some buttons on a panel to change perspective

[small wing]

I do it on my stream 😏

Just gotta write a screenspace uv world pos shader that takes a render texture and feed that into the camera

[tawdry widget]

@rigid crescent You can set up a render texture in the world that outputs to a full-screen shader. Then have a desktop avatar stand in a sphere with that shader in it and you'll get a nice fullscreen feed of whatever that camera sees

lol yes that ^

[brittle jolt]

Hmm yeah that could work, but would be quite a work around...

[tawdry widget]

then you can play animations on that camera to get nice smooth motions '

[rigid crescent]

so instead of an extra avatar, you could just put the camera in it?

oh wait i see

[small wing]

It's slight performance impact, but it isnt too bad if you know how to optimize your stuff.

[rigid crescent]

yeah if it's simply for recording purposes i don't imagine it'd be too bad

[small wing]

Keep in mind your render texture settings. Dont do something crazy like 4k and you should be fine. You dont wanna overload encoding in OBS by doing that.

[tawdry widget]

With stations on avatar . . . . you could actuall animate those stations on an animation override so someone else could hold their stream camera and film

[brittle jolt]

But having dedicated code for switching your viewpoint to a camera in the world with a trigger would be really awesome

[rigid crescent]

oh yikes that'd probably kill someone to have a sudden camera yoink

[tawdry widget]

that way you could use camera pins and smooth camera feature

[small wing]

ez just set the render depth to a higher value

That will force that to render over everything else including other's perspectives too so put it on a local only trigger

I suggest putting it on a hotkey as well.

[rigid crescent]

i'll have to dump that into the section of my brain with knowledge i'll never use but can eventually tell someone some day that wants to know

definitely good to know

[tawdry widget]

Check out the Unity docs for "Render Texture" to see how to set it up, it's not too bad

[small wing]

Pro tip if you do that you can assign layers to cameras. So setting it to "not clear" those layers will add an alpha to whatever is rendering. So you could in theory layer post processing effects with mutliple cameras.

Render depth and layers are super useful for pulling off a lot of black magic.

[tawdry widget]

Yeah, the 2d mirror in the Hub doesn't render the world, only the avatars and props to be more efficient

[small wing]

Layer's are also really good for optimization like Rocktopus said ^

A really fun thing you can do is make a world for instance that uses goggles to see hidden object using layers for puzzles.

Lot's of interesting things to do with that.

I wanted to make a world where you go inside of vr inside of vr inside of vr while in vr inside a vr headset in vr xD

[vocal shard]

Anybody have a model of hat kid that does the smug dance that I could have? I’ve been looking for it for days now and can’t find anything on the web or VRChat.

[tawdry widget]

My club kaleidoscope uses a render texture to make kaleidoscope of whatever you point the camera at. Then that texture is places on panels all over the world

[small wing]

That sounds neat

I wanna look into making a feedback loop with a render texture and a camera sometime for my livestream.

Would be cool for visuals maybe.

[vocal shard]

Alright ignore me

[small wing]

Was also trying to figure out a datamosh effect.

[brittle jolt]

Dont break the Space-Time Continuum tho ;^)

[small wing]

@vocal shard Perspective man. We just don't know.

[vocal shard]

You could have said no, not just not saying anything

[small wing]

Alright then. Nope I dont know.

😏

[vocal shard]

Okay, thanks for the answer.

[small wing]

You are welcome.

😏

[tawdry widget]

lol yeah. I had to not render the kaleidoscope panels layer from the camera... because otherwise they'd render themselves forever.

[vocal shard]

?

[small wing]

But ye datamoshing is hard.

Gotta figure out a way to somehow break the render entirely without causing unwanted errors.

Did it at least look cool with it rendering like that?

Would be pretty neat to get a kaleidoscope with feedback loops tbh

[brittle jolt]

Id say shaders is your best shot with a datamosh effect

Shouldnt be too impossible, but pretty tricky

[tawdry widget]

yeah, they're cool as hell ^____^

[small wing]

I was considering it. There are some instances where i would find shaders that clone whatever is behind it. Not sure how to remake it though.

Almost looked like when you go outside of maps in half life

[brittle jolt]

Thats just a "Do not clear"

[tawdry widget]

I think you can do it in Avatar Testing world by pointing the render camera at the other panel displaying the texture, you can get some really trippy FX from that

[small wing]

Ye it was something like that

Not sure how i would do it in a shader though sadly. I use nodes.

[tawdry widget]

Twisting the cameras around each other will make infinity mirror-like tunnels

[small wing]

My favorite thing to do would be to twist it and then stick my hand in

[tawdry widget]

I love the little delay that ripples through all the cameras, looke really sick

[brittle jolt]

Ill quote that :^)

[small wing]

owo

oops

[brittle jolt]

"My favorite thing to do would be to twist it and then stick my hand in" - RTR 2019

[tawdry widget]

alright, it's food time, later

[small wing]

It's moments like these where i wanna commit die

How dare you turn this sexual Helpful lol

Take care Rock!

Also can't wait when you make those skyboxes. 😃

[vocal shard]

im lonely in vrchat smh

[polar jasper]

You've only been on for 4 minutes

[vocal shard]

feel that

anyone getting a call from kitten person???

🤔

add me plox Azezal

kk

[true timber]

aaaaaaa youtube-dl is broken again

youtube videos not working at all

[vocal shard]

it's down???

[sinful forum]

Kizzy a cute~

[subtle prawn]

[true sky]

VRChat should just give an option to update it on startup of the youtube-dl.exe file needed for video panels

You can run a command line already to update it manually which is easy to do ;)

[polar jasper]

It's easy. Problem is that it's from a "untrusted" source

VRChat runs their own compiled version

[scarlet glacier]

is there a channel to report bugs/glitches here?

[still lark]

There was!

[scarlet glacier]

Ah crap

[vocal shard]

Bugs are usually reported to the Canny now

https://vrchat.canny.io/bug-reports

[dark harness]

egay?

[desert stratus]

gaye ? gaey?

[shadow sparrow]

@mint grove

SL, you say?

My problem with SL is making exact avatar I want with Blender, since you can't use custom bones, shapekeys, and shaders on their avatar kit

SL is great overall, VRC still an infant, doesn't mean it is gay. You gotta wait till they both on same level to judge

[true sky]

@polar jasper VRChat uses this for video panels and updating the dependency fixes youtube videos not playing: https://github.com/ytdl-org/youtube-dl/releases/download/2019.06.21/youtube-dl.exe

Usually located in C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\common\VRChat\VRChat_Data\StreamingAssets Just rename youtube-dl.exe to something like youtube-dl-old.exe and install the new one and it should work just fine

usually in a vrchat update, it will have the latest, but is a quick fix then waiting for another update

[frail pagoda]

has any done animations on a vrcht avatar before

[true sky]

just for adding props to them like pulling a gun out, that is it

[indigo fern]

System is precious and we need to cherish him 🙏

If I don't start seeing fanart of him in #vrchat-fan-art I'm going to be upset

[polar jasper]

@true sky I am well aware of them using that library. It’s still a custom compiled exe file that follows with VRChat and not the one directly used from that github repo.

So every time there is a update, hackspanner has to look at the code and recompile it into a exe that is pushed to us.

[still lark]

System is an artist so they'll love that. :P

[vocal shard]

my pointing finger hurt

trying to bend it so it stop hurt

morning, how can is switch in 3person in dekstop mode?

[frank lichen]

hey I need help bad, so I cloned a crasher avatar and everytime I load into my game it crashes me

[polar jasper]

No 3rd person controller

Every time?

Does it happen right away or do you have a few seconds @frank lichen

[frank lichen]

usually right away like 3 secounds at most

[polar jasper]

When you load in, you can press CTRL + \ or Right shift + (the button on the left side of 1)

[frank lichen]

k

[polar jasper]

That will force you into a gray avatar

But I’d recommend you report that avatar ID

If you haven’t switched yet @frank lichen go to the website and get the avatar ID

[vocal shard]

i cant move in 3 person i play wihtout a vr head

I think we need to bring back MLP avatars

[polar jasper]

What? If you don’t have VR it will just work like any other game

[vocal shard]

But we need a Spin-off on them

Something that will get people liking MLP Avatars for not being a MLP

MLP as Cars

[frank lichen]

phew got it fixed

[polar jasper]

You switched to another avatar already or still the gray one?

[vocal shard]

My Little Ponies = Master Limited Partnership

Business Ponies

Or maybe make MLP Avatars but they are literally what their Tatoo on their leg is

And Discord will be Discord App

[polar jasper]

Don’t think it matters how you change them. They will still just be MLP.

[vocal shard]

So like.. the Cutie Mark Cruaders can be the Stardust Crusaders

[mighty cradle]

I made an N64 controller clone work with VRChat

[slate verge]

👌

[lapis rain]

what is this sht with stealing avatars atm ;w; not cool

[slate verge]

did you made sure to turn of avatar cloning?

[true sky]

if you leave it on and the avatar is public, people will clone it

[lone scroll]

so can anyone give me a tl:dw on the dev stream?

[torn nebula]

@lone scroll servers gonna server. Lots of improvements to servers happening, because they're server things you probably won't notice unless they screw it up. They have big plans for the upcoming few months, details coming in the July stream, a short preview in this stream

[marble stream]

Who here plays VRChat in VR?

[pastel galleon]

Maybe relays in eu and asia if they manage to get more money

[marble stream]

Who plays VRChat in VR?

[pastel galleon]

Many here do

[marble stream]

Jealous of those people.

My computer with VRChat on runs at 0.3 FPS.

Shut up.

I have an old computer.

[pastel galleon]

Damn

[marble stream]

I just feel kind of jealous for the people who have proper gaming rigs, and have VR.

u wot m8

😢

This is my dream now.

To actually get a computer that runs at at least 30 FPS, with a VR headset, with VRCHAT.

[solar bloom]

C-RAM just get a standalone VR headset

[woven steppe]

sup

@marble stream do a budget build PC then

[ruby needle]

PC VR needs a bit more then a cheap budget build tho

you'll be loking into 600-700 at least

Tho maybe buying a used one for a ok price is possible

[woven steppe]

$200-$250 should be VR capable/ready already

And yes definitely used parts

[ruby needle]

200$-250$ doesnt even get you something good when its used. at least if people sell their systems for normal prices.

[woven steppe]

the hell you on about?

You could make a nice PC for that much if you do used parts

even including shipping fees

[umbral reef]

Lmao id love to see one try that

[woven steppe]

Just look up aliexpress or banggood

[ruby needle]

cpu and board are at least 100-150 maybe more if its abotu a more recent i5 / i7

then we 16gb DDR4 ram which should run beween 50-100

then we need a case, a SSD, a PSU and dont forget the graphics card

both sites are chinse retail sides, nothing used or anythign

[umbral reef]

Well as apparently we dont know what we are talking about with price why cant you throw us a bone and give us a link

[woven steppe]

Currently I'm running partially similar system on a junker hobby PC. using a decade old CPU

[ruby needle]

We're not talking about a sleeper or hobby / medium desktop gaming thing

we're talking about a VR capable PC

[woven steppe]

But this is already... apparently according to steam VR...

[umbral reef]

whats inside of it thne

[woven steppe]

I'm gonna do a screeny

http://prntscr.com/o58g2l

Though I'd say this is still a bit below what I'd like

the motherboard hasn't lived up to my expectations so no 4.0ghz overclock on it yet

caveat aside from the motherboard is the storage because I only decided to go cheap with it and it's rocking just a single 120gb patriot burst ssd

And it's full in a week

going to be trying out the 1155 platform since I found some cheap Xeons

[ruby needle]

I love when i click on the wrong channel and respond there so again
If you bought that in the 200-250 range then that was a good deal tho including dealing with parts, a lot of hasse and varying avaiablility.
VR Capable gaming systems parted or not shuld run above 300 on average

Regardless tho, you can never really compare Used stuff against anything

It's so vastly fluctuating and different from area to area

[woven steppe]

The best deal was the $100 for a Sapphire RX580 Nitro

half the system was in the GPU cost

which I probably went overboard on

[ruby needle]

half the system in the GPU cost? Then you really had a good deal

if you fit CPU, motherboard, RAM, Case, PSU, HDD, Cabling (if it deosnt com with it) into the other 150$

including shipping

[woven steppe]

Could have gone for the $60 RX570 but I got enticed by the Sapphire

[ruby needle]

im unfortunately not good with AMD graphics and what would be their comparrison card.

[umbral reef]

For me the RX he has is on its own around the 200 range already...

So you got a stupidly lucky deal then man

[woven steppe]

GTX 1060 6gb would be the equal for the 580 and the 570 is like between a 1050ti and a 1060 3gb

[ruby needle]

@umbral reef used

[umbral reef]

Even then- Depending how used it is its cheap as shit

[woven steppe]

Current problem really is the motherboard since it's limiting me to 4gb of ram and also limiting the OC to just an extra 0.09ghz

any higher and it doesn't boot

[ruby needle]

4GB ram? like actual ram?

[umbral reef]

The ram is worse then not being able to OC

[ruby needle]

Cus forget it then

😃

[woven steppe]

First time this ran it had 1gb of ram

[umbral reef]

Welp that explaisn the price kinda tho

[woven steppe]

Yes... it's also DDR2 lol

[ruby needle]

ok no

you're not gonna VR on that thing at all

[woven steppe]

anyways... This would be solved If I get a P43 chipset motherboard but I can't find one that's in Micro ATX form factor

[umbral reef]

Tmw your phone has more and just as fast if not faster ram

[woven steppe]

We'll see tho... will test it with a WMR coming in the mail in about a week or two

If that doesn't work then There's always teh 1155 route... already planned what to purchase for that one

$64 for both motherboard and CPU combined

[ruby needle]

dont test it in google maps then tho, drop into VRChat and a normal lobby.

😃

[woven steppe]

While the PC itself right now is about $200 I've spent more than that in random bits and bobs... This is an expensive hobby

[rough pulsar]

What CPU is in the system you plan to run VR off?

[woven steppe]

got inspired by them YT vids of "$100 gaming PC's"...

[vocal shard]

My mum has spent nearly 1,000 on me

And yet we can’t even get it to work

[ruby needle]

so the kind of PC that runs desktop games at a average performance. ACH ?

[woven steppe]

RN it's an E5450 Xeon but the G31 motherboard I'm using is being poop

I did the LGA 771 CPU into LGA 775 motherboard modification

[rough pulsar]

Have you run the WMR system check?

[ruby needle]

LGA 775? Oh my lord

[woven steppe]

yep

2007 platform

This old dinosaur has life left in it

[ruby needle]

i'd have thought this xeon is was more recent

by its number

[woven steppe]

it's a Xeon from 2009

[ruby needle]

against a i5 2500k

http://Shared.DJ-FPaul.de/5c6dBvo40k.png

no that pc is anything but VR Capable

maybe a slideshow works but no, no good VR Gaming and specifically no VRChat

even the 2500k is rather underpowered

and yet it wipes the floor with your xeon

[rough pulsar]

For WMR I highly doubt the CPU will do it. Not because of performance but instruction set.
I tried getting one of my old but still powerful systems up and running with WMR and the old AMD Phenom was missing AVX or something and WMR simply couldn't run.

[woven steppe]

that leaves the upgrade path to the 1155 platform then

will keep this one for tinkering purposes

[ruby needle]

1155 is also super old allready

[woven steppe]

yes.. which is why it's the next cheapest platform I'm trying

[ruby needle]

you'll be in a constant chase for upgrading

[woven steppe]

I'm trying to upgrade as little as possible

[ruby needle]

Then you need to go more recent

for VR

1155 with a second gen i5 / i7 or higher is gonna run some what but extremely limited

and it wont get better

[woven steppe]

That defeats the purpose of this hobby then

[ruby needle]

i mean, you do what you do. but you should never ever consider trowing around your prices to other people when talking about price estimates for a propper system 😃

[woven steppe]

Because If I really wanted to get nice VR I'd spend my money on one nice system instead of boxes of used stuff lol

[rough pulsar]

VR is an expensive hobby. I've easily spent over £4000 on VR stuff over the past three years

Wait make that 5k lol valve index

[woven steppe]

The hobby is more "assembling computers from old stuff and trying to run modern things in them"

[covert linden]

Just saying I already get 30fps with a 1050 and i7 8750h 8gb ram. Not sure how u expect frames with less. (Wmr)

[woven steppe]

1050?

[covert linden]

Yep

[rough pulsar]

There's a point where it just won't, like when you hit the instruction set limit like I did. Otherwise you're more than welcome to try.

[woven steppe]

THE GTX 1050?

[covert linden]

Yes

[woven steppe]

WTF...

[rough pulsar]

There's people around on vrc running on 1050s
It's terrifying

[ruby needle]

the 4gb model might work some what useable

[pastel galleon]

limited to certain worlds and no mirrors tho probably

[covert linden]

The game needs strong specs

[woven steppe]

that GPU sounds like it should belong in my junker than this Sapphire RX580 lol

[vital rune]

people running vrc on 1050s, >terrifying

[covert linden]

Vr is simply costly

[vital rune]

ahem, 1050 Ti here

[rough pulsar]

VRChat needs pretty heavy PCs to run it because the userbase don't optimize their shit

[ruby needle]

thats not 1050 tho

[vital rune]

the budget cards of budget cards

[ruby needle]

1050 is 1050, 1050ti is 1050ti

[woven steppe]

Ain't the budget card of budget cards the RX570?

[ruby needle]

we're talking nvidea product range

[woven steppe]

oh... ok then it is then

[covert linden]

Or we can br smart.and get a 1660ti which is half the cost of the 1070

[vital rune]

fuck me, AMD card naming is so confusing

[woven steppe]

Hey at least the GPU names still use alphanumeric characters

[covert linden]

Im sticking with nvidia

[vital rune]

NVIDIA's naming scheme is just far more easier

[rough pulsar]

Yeah, we're not into the GTX😠 😏 🇳🇴 ❤ range just yet, thankfully

[woven steppe]

Emoji cards

[ruby needle]

i'd buy a GTX 💩 Premium Deluxe

regardless how much it will cost

I think they miss out a really big market there by not selling that

[woven steppe]

What sort of features would be expected of such a GPU tho?

[ruby needle]

It either runs like shit, or runs the most intense shit

thats on them to decide

[vocal shard]

If you live near a microcenter you can get disgusting deals

Ryzen 5 1600(6 cores 12 threads- trades with 7600K at 4.8 GHz) + cooler + motherboard + 240gb ssd for...

[woven steppe]

But that involves going outside...

[vocal shard]

130 usd

Worth it. Boggles my mind you can get that sort of hardware for under 150

Throw in a new $250 Vega 56 and some memory, case, psu, and at like 500 you have a PC that will beat a lot of i5/gtx 1070 rigs

[vocal shard]

What happens if you try to use more than three trackers in VRChat?

It won't recognize the extra ones in gamw

Anyone know why they don't have support for more than three?

[stoic halo]

because what's the point? fullbody already introduces lag as is

[polar jasper]

^ that and the more you add the more network data you got to send

[bitter needle]

The only things i know of that support more than 3 is virtual motion capture and virtual cast

For elbows and knees

[languid beacon]

Adding more trackers wouldn’t require you send more data, you already have to send all of your humanoid bone data anyway. You’d just be sending more accurate data.

If anything, network IK makes it easier to add more trackers in the future, if they can get it working smoothly. At the moment, with the update rate as it is, the fidelity isn’t really there to notice more trackers anyway, I think.

I really hope dancing will be possible in vrchat again

[vocal shard]

well they just made a big point about improving their server efficiency

so i imagine they'll be increasing the update rate as it's so crucial

Im new to vr chat how do i use my microphone

[long walrus]

@vocal shard There's a button in your menu

[dusk goblet]

I can’t get in vrchat I need do something?

[ruby burrow]

That's a really interesting point Adeon. I hadn't considered that yet. '-'

[small wing]

1050ti user over here. I get 90 fps

[ruby needle]

@small wing in vr and filled lobbies?

[small wing]

Yep

Unless someone is being a dumbass then yeah.

Just gotta hang around people who know what they are doing and you will hit those buttery smooth frames.

Lowest i ever hit is 45 when someone is particle spamming animations and doing stupid stuff.

But that rarely ever happens with safety settings set properly.

Still would recommend getting at least a 1060 or higher though if you wanna spoil yourself with richer experiences.

[ruby needle]

yeah 1060 6 GB should be the entry to aim at

[small wing]

VRChat runs fine, but skyrim VR takes a poop on me sometimes.

I wanna save up and go overkill soon.

Planning on saving up for a 2080ti

Gotta do some path tracing renders for world promo and stuff, so that would come in handy for animations.

[dim epoch]

Yeah thats because Skyrim VR has a diferent system requirement, but yeah trully its made by Bethesda so could be something off from there side. 😄

[ruby needle]

Also, dont forget.
In Bethesda games, walls are just a suggestion. 😉

[tacit hull]

does anyone have a death note avatar that i could clone? 🤠

[ruby needle]

Dont post the same message in multiple channels.

[tacit hull]

ok sorry 🤠

[ruby needle]

Because by definition its spam

and

§15. No posting the same question or statement across multiple channels

For the ones without common sense 😃

No.

A different view on things doesnt make you dumb
It's just off from the usual common sense, or how it should be

[vocal shard]

Multiple of the same text = spam ; what isn’t spam = someone who types a lot / however in gamer communities (I won’t talk or go into regions because some people get offended for me stating this but this is a 13 year calculation and evaluation of regions.) they will call this paragraph TDLR and if you are doing less lines for example one line per sentence and you do it super fast; it is treated as “spam” where in reality it is again not goijng to be offensive or classify what it is; as it can offend people .. it is by all means censorship just how I am censoring my own words to not trigger people of different communities

Plus I don’t want to fight anyone and this server doesn’t need fighting. Trust me I’ve been in manny online/internet battles via text; I never use my real voice because it was taken from me y’know

From an internet war long ago in 2006

I once thought I needed an expensive mic so I bought one for 500 dollars however I loss my voice on the internet

This was a response to spam and how he accurately used it properly. Most people would use the term incorrectly.

[trim echo]

Hello guys. 😊

[vocal shard]

I studied spam for 8 years and how society/community/mainstream dictate what spam is — there is a political agenda that surrounds it

However in this server there isn’t one so it good

[trim echo]

What is happening?

[vocal shard]

We were talking about spam

But we late for the party had to give my input

[trim echo]

Oh

Does anyone want to teach me how to play? I recently got into vr.

[idle nova]

Make your account on the VRChat website, don't use Steam to log in

[misty turret]

Video player in my world worked for like a day now its back to not working and crashing if you attempt to load a video url hmmm

[jaunty saddle]

I'm apart of the 7000 Club now

https://gyazo.com/13c7669669f2ef471a79208366b4e0a8

[north axle]

News. 👏🏻 Review. 👏🏻

Does anyone want to proofread a few articles?

[vocal shard]

Sure pan

[vocal shard]

Anybody knows where can I find void club music?

[ruby needle]

No, but i can show you where cou can find our DIscord rules which say "§15. No posting the same question or statement across multiple channels"
Look into here #rules

[vocal shard]

show me

[fervent creek]

Well that kinda sucks when your question gets ignored/glossed over so you gotta ask again

[broken plover]

if you repost the question in another channel atleast remove it from the first one

[ruby needle]

i mean, if your question vanished without answere and you ask it again after an hour or something when its more then out ot sight no one is gonna punish you for that

but not spread the same thing at a close intverall around, or while it's still there just hasn't hat a response yet.

[vocal shard]

O I got my headset working vr thingy I’ve never experienced so such things amazing as this it’s feels 3D and real wow

I only have desktop and im really jealous about people with VR since then can so so much more stuff than us desktop users reee

[broken plover]

save up for a headset. Its very much worth it!

[floral aspen]

Only save up for a headset if your PC can handle VR though

[vocal shard]

Just save up for both

[fervent creek]

Save up for both

[vocal shard]

PC first

[pastel galleon]

I got randomly disconnected to my home world, then the friends list stopped updating, so I couldn't join anyone, my avatars didn't load (it's like I had no avatars)
Had to close the game and reopen it and everything was fixed, weird
It happened twice today, idk what causes it, my connection never dropped

[vocal shard]

anyone wanna rp?

[covert linden]

@vocal shard #rules 15

[vocal shard]

sorry

I deleted it from the other channels.

[plain moss]

So uh, I was on a world earlier, one with one of those video players and I was wondering if there's a way to locally hide them?

Cause idk who it was, but somebody put real life nsfw on there and that's not really something I wanna see

[queen mango]

You can block their avatars individually by clicking on their avatar after opening the quick menu.
Some quick settings will appear, for the lack of better term, and you can decide whether to show or block all avatar features.

[plain moss]

Ah, that will be useful for the futurw, I wasn't sure how to do that thanks. But I meant the video players, where you input a link and it plays on the screen ingame

[queen mango]

Ah.. I see.
Well, I don't think there's a way to block them.

Not from what I know at least.

[plain moss]

Oof alright. Thanks anyway ;u;

I'll just try to avoid worlds with those in for now

[vocal shard]

Su~p.

[strong hill]

yes

[vocal shard]

so-oupo

[mental shuttle]

anyone know why I cant see my mouse in the VRC menu when not in VR?

is it a known bug, any fix for it?

[lone scroll]

pleeeeeease improve networked ik faster
dancing is a hecking joke

[mental shuttle]

wha? dancing works fine, the lag is the problem

[lone scroll]

have you seen someone dancing in vrc? been doing it for the last 5h, its really bad man

[vocal shard]

you probably launched in vr mode @mental shuttle which is now the default when launching through steam even if you don't have VR

[lone scroll]

precise movements arent visible, all is slower

[mental shuttle]

um, been dancing in VRC on and off for a year

[lone scroll]

then you should know how bad it is

[mental shuttle]

it's pretty accurate

[vocal shard]

whens the last time you played @mental shuttle ?

[mental shuttle]

it's not that bad, it's pretty damn good. and I use Kinect, not even trackers which is slower

[lone scroll]

nice meme dude

[mental shuttle]

@vocal shard how is that possible? it's either VR or not VR, and it's not in VR

meme?

[vocal shard]

you can launch in vr mode without vr

[lone scroll]

just stop talking

[mental shuttle]

wth

[vocal shard]

blame the devs for making that the default

[mental shuttle]

well I started it in non-VR via Steam...

[vocal shard]

so you right clicked and selected desktop mode?

[mental shuttle]

also, one does not play VRC. but are you asking when I was in VRC the last time?

no, clicked to start and then I got the option

I give up. I'll wait for them to fix it

[vocal shard]

i told ya how to fix it

[mental shuttle]

what?

no you didnt

[vocal shard]

https://i.gyazo.com/1e64fe4dcafa6a963d35555e825aa6bb.mp4

[mental shuttle]

that's the same thing as I did...

[vocal shard]

that's not what you said you did

[mental shuttle]

why would it be different from getting the option to launch in non-VR?

[vocal shard]

i've never seen this "option to launch in non-vr" so i wouldn't know

i've only ever seen the right click context menu work

[mental shuttle]

it's just two different ways of doing it but starts the same thing... are you telling me doing it in that way makes a cursor appear?

@vocal shard elo?

[cinder wasp]

Good day to all, how are you doing?

[vocal shard]

Tired mostly

[gusty mauve]

Wasted

[gloomy remnant]

i need people to dance with bro every1 is sleepin

my sp is crying

[bold patrol]

sup

[velvet ferry]

Oof dude

[desert stratus]

eating, cold

gonna get home at like 3am

[wispy knoll]

@lone scroll u don't have to be so rude to people.

[wispy gulch]

man, if i had spare oculus quests today, i could have sold a few 😄

[vocal shard]

They're sold out everywhere. I finally wanted to buy one, but there's none anywhere

Looks like they're doing well

[winged quartz]

lmao oculus quest sold out?

[true sky]

There is like 3 left at my Walmart Location last time I checked.

[vocal shard]

I'm in Canada, so maybe we have less stock. But there isn't any within the Vancouver area according to the bestbuy website

The shelves were stocked a couple weeks ago

[vestal sleet]

my vrc keep lagging out in VR, anyyone had similar problem? it is fine in desktop only in vr. i am downloading avatar very slow and i constantly get timed out. itnernet is fine

[vocal shard]

Everyone will have oculus quest let me find tutorial on how to make it work like a pc

There not one

I should reinstall my iPhone vr headset to play vrchat again

Only my head will move

[vocal shard]

don't know what you're trying to get at

[lunar shell]

Well buying a headset is really difficult nowadays. Index sold out. Quest sold out. Hp reverb is a mystery and Cosmos same thing.

[vocal shard]

They won't let me give them my money

[lunar shell]

We need more or hmds!

[vocal shard]

The Cosmos is actually quite interesting looking. It seems like it will have detachable parts that can be swapped out for different functionality.

hi, good night
anyone have one ikonik map?
pls hahaha

[heavy ledge]

I just hit know user :O

[vocal shard]

So you wanna ...

Eat some Fried Kangeroo

Is Deep Fried Kangeroo good?

Lol KFC -- Kangerous

Australia sells Kangeroo at their KFC

I want to buy some Kangeroo Meat from Australia

Ostrich Egg; Kangeroo Meat; Koala Bear, and all types of other animals on Easter Island

[sharp saddle]

What the f*ck.

[vocal shard]

Has anyone seen avatars that have nurse uniform/loli nurses

[weary yoke]

vrchat down?

Meomen

nm

[vocal shard]

I don't think so. There's close to 9000 people online

[rigid crescent]

summer numbers boiii

[weary yoke]

9000 people online

most are in private servers Kappa

that should be the new vrchat slogan. "VRchat; Why are you still in a public server?"

[icy gale]

o shit its mic

[rigid crescent]

😤

[woven steppe]

Just noticed that there's a new unity version being used and new sdk... Question is, should I reupload avatars on the new unity and sdk or will there be no problems if I leave them as is?

[rough pulsar]

Most of your content should be fine as the update is between LTS versions, so it should only be unity bugfixes.
Unless you're depending on obscure unity bugs to make things work in which case 😱

[mighty cradle]

mfw developing a controller layout for an n64 controller to use in VRC

[woven steppe]

Only thing I've noticed is that I'm ultra poor because of the pen bounding box again.

[stoic nebula]

hello

[mighty cradle]

hi

[stoic nebula]

wnna idk talk in vr chat or so

im a noob so yea

[mighty cradle]

what platform?

[stoic nebula]

pc

[mighty cradle]

get on then

[granite wind]

Just released my first world... it's called Mic Night Musical.

It's in community labs, hope it does well.

[inner cape]

did you just remake the mic night

[still lark]

Judging by the icon, no.

[dusky mesa]

what's with the huge memory leakage with VRChat right now? It almost froze my PC twice now

[mighty cradle]

vrc bugs

[still lark]

What memory leaks?

[polar jasper]

I'd say you got other issues with your PC then. Nothing that major that I've seen people talk about. But if you don't write a ticket on it with the necessary files nothing can be fixed

[mighty cradle]

16 gigs RAM, i've frozen a few times

[still lark]

I have 8 and I haven't frozen once because of high RAM

[mighty cradle]

ever been to heavy rooms?

[still lark]

Yup

[mighty cradle]

how hard are your safety settings

[still lark]

not hard at all

pretty loose actually

[mighty cradle]

first day?

[still lark]

huh?

[mighty cradle]

first day in vrc?

[still lark]

No where near. :P

[vocal shard]

veterans btw

c;

[still lark]

C:

[mighty cradle]

i wonder why then my machine slows to a crawl and invisibly disconnects me after some time

i'm talking fps in the tens

[vocal shard]

what gpu ya got?

[mighty cradle]

and broken voices, and unresponsive players, etc etc etc

rx480; far more than enough on desktop

[vocal shard]

how much vram

[mighty cradle]

and i am not going back to nv, even for vr; 8gb

[vocal shard]

ah, are you having this issue in vr or desktop

[mighty cradle]

i just said desktop

[vocal shard]

ah yeh you did sorry

very strange

[mighty cradle]

yes

[polar jasper]

This could be down to many variables.
VRChat is using CPU and RAM heavily.
Only way to figure it out is to look at event logs in Windows on why a application crashed/became unresponsive

Most of these cases are/is down to bad hardware or drivers

[proper widget]

[strange beacon]

hey

[south viper]

I figured out how to get screen recording to work from Oculus Touch controllers and figured I'd write it up https://docs.google.com/document/d/1YnWeySjlmA-d4iL3slqvz96Gu5U3fsW7sR0Fvdc49wo/edit#

if you can figure out how I can fit any more swear words in there, I'd love some suggestions

I'm going to sleep

[heavy dawn]

Good night! Sorry that process was so frustrating but that's clever using a controller remapper.

[south viper]

I was very lucky to find that tool mentioned somewhere half buried in a comment on reddit

[mighty cradle]

@south viper antimicro

[faint skiff]

So, if someone's blasting some loud audio (with no localisation, so it sounds like it's coming from everywhere) and effects that completely screw with your vision, what are you supposed to do? I can't see any way to narrow down who's doing it if you're in an instance with 20 other people.

[pseudo bobcat]

There is a safety option that hides avatars in those cases

Rift: both triggers OR both grips, AND both menu buttons (B/Y)
Vive: both triggers OR both grips, AND both menu buttons

When you do that, all avatars are hidden, it's a "panic button"

[faint skiff]

Right, but now everyone is muted, including the people I was talking to...

[harsh star]

Reset safety settings

[faint skiff]

Is there no-way to figure out who's eye/ear raping the entire instance?

[pseudo bobcat]

Unhide people (show avatar) one by one and then press the panic button again when you find out who it is

then you can report him for avatar -> malicious

This is why I only keep animations enabled for my friends

Trusted users I feel have even more eye rape / malicious avatar stuff because they've learned how to do it over the years

so I don't even enable anything on them, just voice and avatar with no shaders or animations

[faint skiff]

Yeah. Purple/orange users have always been the worst offenders from what I've seen.

[vocal shard]

You can disable animations for non friends. That would prevent any of that.

[faint skiff]

Panic mode on the Vive wands is surprisingly hard to activate, I have to try and balance the controllers further forward in my hand to press both triggers and menu buttons at the same time. Somewhat difficult to do while being deafened and having all of your senses assaulted at the same time.

[pseudo bobcat]

You can use the grip buttons instead of the triggers

[faint skiff]

I may have to do that, it's just unfortunate as it makes the whole world quite a bit more boring.

The triggers are the easy bit to press, it's the menu buttons that I can't easily reach. Maybe I just have short thumbs...

Not something I've had to consider before, lol.

[languid beacon]

@pseudo bobcat @faint skiff https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/442444657428004866/592381091877224448/image0.jpg

[pseudo bobcat]

that's why every rank except friends has everything disabled

[vocal shard]

hey im looking for someone to make me a vr skin please I will pay 😃

does anyone know anyone xd

Socks, check out vrctraders in #community-servers-old
It's a server for stuff like that

[vocal shard]

How is crashing other players still a thing

[desert stratus]

people just do it with clients now, which is worse

i just leave safety settings off globally and only block by perf rank now

or you can turn on everything except animations

best practices imo, but the latter is generally laggier

[pastel galleon]

yeah people nowadays only crash through clients so no need to block everything

lool

oh yeah ddos is a thing in this game sadly

[winged quartz]

why the fuck ppl still crashing and ddosing in 2019

legit braindead

[ruby needle]

DDOS attacks happen outside the game.
What you mean is proapbly ip leaking.

[winged quartz]

Imagine hanging around people that DDoS others

[pastel galleon]

if it's public..

[winged quartz]

I don't really know people with friends in those groups, so I don't really know how that is

Never happened to me in public

[pastel galleon]

me neither yet, only got crashed, never ddos'd

[vocal shard]

Someone did it to me because they found me annoying on mic instead of muting me

Other people were fine about my goofy grandma impression

[desert stratus]

some people literally crash you just for having them blocked

[winged quartz]

I'm still impressed how there still are so many toxic people in the community

Yeah, ik

It's just annoying to think about

[stoic halo]

i haven't been crashed for a long time

last time was months ago and it just happened for no reason and i never even spoke to the dude

but he hunted me down for some unknown reason

simple block made it stop

[languid beacon]

Yeah first thing I did when pref blocking was out is show all safety categories for everyone, unlimited dynamic bones, and then disable “Very Poor” only.

Turns out most of my friends are Very Poor rip

[winged quartz]

the new tweaks to the system made it even worse

so having the disable by the ranking system is not worth it

[languid beacon]

I mean it’s very easy to understand. You get 70K polys total, 32 mats total, not infinite via animations. Just gotta include that stuff in your atlas and use shape keys/bone scaling instead of a separate meshes

[winged quartz]

even still

have a single animation that disables your avatar and enable a different one

instant poor

[languid beacon]

Which is actually the proper game dev way of doing it

People just need to make better animations

[winged quartz]

this new way of having the ranking system is absolutely toxic for avatar creators

dude, if coding was possible, then surely, there would be better animations

[languid beacon]

It’s really not.. just need to learn the proper ways of animating stuff and not use isActive

[winged quartz]

but we just gotta make our way to make shit work in the ways possible

[still lark]

Do you want laggy game or not?

[winged quartz]

if there was a decent way to make it instead of using isactive, surely

[languid beacon]

I just said so. Blend shapes and bone scaling

[winged quartz]

animations that disable an avatar and enable a different one won't lag the game unless if it is very unoptimized

even with bone scaling/blend shapes, you still gotta have multiple avatars, which would require you more than one animator

and just by having more than one animator, you get fucked by the ranking system

[languid beacon]

Same skinned mesh render. You don’t need a separate animator

[still lark]

Why do you need more than 1 avatar?!

[covert linden]

my boyfriend uses a mesh thing, so the mesh vanishes until needed, does that cause lag?

he also toggles it with an emote

its just a tea pot and cup

[vestal pier]

For props it should be fine in theory

but any animation technically causes lag

[languid beacon]

It’s not the best but its not terrible. People just used deactivated meshes to hide their +70K total tri avatars and they can’t anymore

[covert linden]

ohh. his is just props

[languid beacon]

Separate meshes for props are kind of bad because it requires unique materials. Had they built it into the same mesh and hid it with a shape key or bone scale it could have shared all its materials

[vestal pier]

thats not true

[languid beacon]

Yes it is

[vestal pier]

You can have seperate meshes with the same materials

[languid beacon]

They are unique even if identicle

Separate draw call

[vestal pier]

How?

[languid beacon]

Separate draw call for being a separate mesh

[vestal pier]

wait, i have to check this

[languid beacon]

And it’s ranked accordingly

[vestal pier]

Sounds odd

[still lark]

It's true!

[vestal pier]

Huh you are right

here i was thinking i was being smart putting everything on one UV

Unity, am i right?

[still lark]

Well yeah, I guess.

[languid beacon]

Nothing wrong with everything on the same uv, less to download. But yeah if it’s on a unique mesh it’s still a separate drawcall

[vestal pier]

big think on how much i have to cut down for quest again

[languid beacon]

I’m still targeting 10K for quest my pc avatars under the assumption “at least they can choose to see it if they want to”

[vocal shard]

totally wrong ... if a mesh has the same material it can be batched or instanced ... one drawcall

[languid beacon]

Most end up around 6500

You sure about that? If true then yes the pref is unfair.

[vestal pier]

i dont target anything, my stuff usually just ends up around 2k to 5k, so its kinda perfect for quest

[vocal shard]

you have to make sure it does though, batching breaks easily

[languid beacon]

I have made all my stuff under the assumption that materials are not shared between UNIQUE separate meshes

First I’ve heard that they can

[vocal shard]

you have to make them share it

[languid beacon]

How do

[vocal shard]

https://docs.unity3d.com/Manual/DrawCallBatching.html

[still lark]

@vocal shard the stat system assumes the worst

[languid beacon]

And that’s a thing vrchat supports?

[vocal shard]

@still lark the stat system is a little drunk

[still lark]

Only a little!

[vocal shard]

it's probably right to assume the worst

but it's false to say meshes with the same material are always separate drawcalls

[languid beacon]

I still kinda want confirmation that vrchat supports this batching

I have stuff I can optimize

[vocal shard]

https://blogs.unity3d.com/2017/04/03/how-to-see-why-your-draw-calls-are-not-batched-in-5-6/

I guess for avatars expecting the worst is understandable

[languid beacon]

I don’t doubt it’s a Unity thing I just want to know if VRC respects the settings

[vocal shard]

it does

that's how you optimize your worlds

[still lark]

I think it was around the chairs re adding patch that fixed it

[vocal shard]

you mean when it broke a lot of shaders? yeah

[still lark]

Yes

[languid beacon]

Thanks good info. Nevertheless the pref Rank really does count them as unique materials and so long as it does that I’m not using isActvie at all. Everything’s a shape key or bone scale

[vocal shard]

btw: skinned meshes don't batch

but usually only the body mesh is skinned and props aren't

[languid beacon]

Doesn’t help my case. Since all props will still be unique against the body if separate mesh

Separate call. Rather

Good to know for non rigged avatars I guess

[vocal shard]

yeah 😐 batching props doesn't make a lot of sense unless multiple ones are enabled at the same time

[languid beacon]

My Workflow is just one signal skinned mesh, that contains everything. No secondary meshes skinned or otherwise

[vocal shard]

that's good

[languid beacon]

The pref Rank has been nice to me. But it’s mostly just out of hating setting things up over again in unity lol

[vocal shard]

one way to faze out problems, make people tired of overhauling their avatars 😄

[dark harness]

"faze" can also mean "to be concerned or perturbed" - thus "unfazed"

[still lark]

Yeah, at least google define faze first. :P

[vocal shard]

thank u, oracle of wisdom

I still used the wrong one

but it doesn't faze me

[still lark]

This troll

[dark harness]

these peoples try to faze me
c-c-c-call me on my selfoam (I get busy)

[umbral reef]

System, can we makea special canny request just for the server team
People have to answer the taco question and if they fail it they cant play the game anymore 👀

[dark harness]

I'll add it to the registration form

[umbral reef]

Dope

[dark harness]

I guess as a radio button

IS A HOT DOG A TACO
[ ] YES
[ ] NO
[ ] LET US CONSULT THE PHILOSOPHICAL NATURE OF CLASSIFICATION SYSTEMS...

[umbral reef]

Last one should just uninstall the game 👀

[vocal shard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nHBu_zGGpeg

[dark harness]

It just pushes you into a separate VRChat where we stash all of the philosophy majors

[umbral reef]

Ow snap thats a great idea

[dark harness]

"I want to discuss the nature of being" > BANNED, TAKE IT TO EPISTIMOLOGY-CHAT

[vocal shard]

leave your copy of Godel Escher Bach at the door

[dark harness]

we've replaced the Avatar selector with a static UI element that just contains a link to frigging Simulacra and Simulation and asks you whether your avatar or your real self is the truer identity

saying "Baudrillard" out loud is a permaban

[umbral reef]

Can we get a full RNG game next year for april fools?
Like when you select an avatar you just get a randomly selected one
Want to join a friends? How about another friend instead!
Want to make a world? Your getting this one instead

[dark harness]

hah

I pushed really hard this year on April Fools to change everyone's avatar to Good Face Boy, which is my most Very Poor garbage avatar

[desert stratus]

g-good face boy?

[dark harness]

"Can we do that?"
"I can"
"Should we do that?"
"I want to, isn't that enough?"

[umbral reef]

Id aprove of that idea
Just get the community to support your idea and they will have to accept it

[dark harness]

I couldn't get critical support behind it for various reasons

[vocal shard]

no free will huh? bannn

[dark harness]

Some of our staff rightfully think it is Bad to play elaborate pranks on our users

Some of our other staff think that our product has enough of a reputation for instability that people would just assume it's a bug and post "YOU SEE WHAT KIND OF GARBAGE SOFTWARE THEY MAKE? EVERYONE IS THIS UGLY DEFAULT AVATAR"

[vocal shard]

every update ... users: IS THIS SOME KIND OF COSMIC JOKE?

[umbral reef]

Well, we are talking about the VRchat community.
People get angry over everything. Pretty sure if you guys changed the UI colors people would be angry.

[wispy gulch]

that's the secret of the hulk: always be angry?

[vocal shard]

they DID, selection outline went from CYAN to LIGHT BABY BLUE .... MY EYES THEY BURN

[wispy gulch]

baby blue? what monsterous behaviors! triggered! 😄

[vocal shard]

literally unplayable

[dark harness]

https://imgur.com/a/6q7kjgo

[wispy gulch]

lol... i need a PC to do some serious number crunching and 3D modeling (astronomy) and figure might as well make it a gaming machine too

someone on chat the other day was trying to hoodwink us with a fully invisible avatar, including hiding the name plate.

doesn't work on Quest users. lol.

[vestal pier]

doesnt work for people who like framerate, either!

[vocal shard]

who would love that? tsssk

[vestal pier]

dummies

[umbral reef]

Depends how you do it, optimizing an avatar aint as cut dry as most make it
Gpu's and Cpu's are like small magic boxes 🤷

[vocal shard]

just download more frames amirite?

[vestal pier]

rocks that think

[mighty cradle]

rocks that do math

and logic and stuff

[vestal pier]

brainy rock

Like that one spongebob episode

with patrick and the coral brain?

[wispy gulch]

ooh, cpus that you feed and grow and they have more frames

[vestal pier]

pretty sure feeding a cpu kills it

[umbral reef]

Feed it with cold air

[vestal pier]

feed it with math to kill it

[wispy gulch]

that's how kirk kills androids

[mighty cradle]

ffs

sun charger has crap battery

but is very neat

[dark harness]

Android: MUST.... KILL.... HUMANS
Bones: Dammit, Jim, I'm a doctor, not a computer engineer!
Kirk:
Spock: I have an idea
Kirk: Do it!
Spock: IS A HOT DOG A TACO?
Android :

[umbral reef]

I wonder, is there actually a way to play spotify songs in VRC 🤔

[languid beacon]

Spotify would need to support anonymous listening and I don’t think they do

[vocal shard]

you could convert a spotify playlist to a youtube playlist

[covert chasm]

Multivac, is a hot dog a taco?

>THERE IS AS YET INSUFFICIENT DATA FOR A MEANINGFUL ANSWER.

[umbral reef]

Its a clear and simple, Yes.
A hot dog is a taco

[lavish kraken]

a hot dog is a taco, but a taco is not a hot dog

[vocal shard]

tupper quoting Asimov made my day ❤

[umbral reef]

We made the cube rule for a reason.
We know the answer, anyone claiming different is wrong 👀

[covert linden]

I miss tuppper and his sneezy cat sometimes ;'c

too bad we had to charge from his bank the cost of voice servers

[muted nova]

Anyone want to help me make my first animation or model im swedish btw and i have imported some models

[wispy gulch]

just eat your food and stop teaching it epistemology

[languid beacon]

I hate to be a naysayer here but a hot dog bun is filled with many topological holes which is not the same as a hard taco shell which is filled with enclosed air pockets.

[dark harness]

Really? I'd say they're both porous

[wispy gulch]

soft tacos

[dark harness]

In the abstract, they're both containers and not toppings

[languid beacon]

It’s more of a difference in manifold. A donut is not a hollow sphere!

[dark harness]

A donut is a toroid

[vocal shard]

a donut is a toroid

there's an echo in here 👀

[dark harness]

I JUST GOT HERE FROM A DONUT AND BOY ARE MY ARMS TOROID

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/17/Torus.png

A donut is a bagel

[vocal shard]

pop tarts are calzone, change my mind

[dark harness]

😄

I can't, that sounds valid

[vocal shard]

cube rule compliant

[dark harness]

"Torus" is also the ancient egyptian god of the sky, with the head of an eagle

[languid beacon]

Depending on choice of axis, if you cut a bagel in half you either get two bagels or two hot dogs.

[dark harness]

Pop tarts and calzone and jelly donuts are all pork bao

[vocal shard]

not to be confused with the egyptian deity whorus, who ... well ... was worth every penny

[languid beacon]

Poptarts are ravioli

[vocal shard]

yes

of the calzone family

[dark harness]

Now here's the boys from the torus, we hope you liked our show
We know you're rootin' for us, but now we've got to gooooooo

[covert linden]

Is oatmeal a soup

[vocal shard]

http://cuberule.com/assets/15_cube_rule.jpg

[languid beacon]

Oatmeal is not a soup. Lucky charms with milk is a soup

[ruby needle]

[covert linden]

why isnt oatmeal a soup

[dark harness]

oh holy heck, 1001, I swear I've drawn that same diagram in support of my Food Topology

[covert linden]

is it a stew

[languid beacon]

As long as the cereal in question has many different components

[covert linden]

cuz my oatmeal is oats with apples and milk + cinnamon, with boiling water overtop

so then my oatmeal is a soup?

[languid beacon]

If I c an be bold enough to say a soup with only one ingredient is not a soup it’s a milkshake

[vocal shard]

the Grand Unified Theory of Food Identification

[wispy gulch]

oatmeal is a colloid

[covert linden]

oatmeal has more than one ingredient

[wispy gulch]

a one ingredient soup is a tisane?

[covert linden]

and no a milkshake is a cold drink made of milk by definition

if cream =/= milk then whipped cream =/= milkshake?

[languid beacon]

Bowl of macaroni = box of donuts

[dark harness]

young neil stumped me with "what is a single grain of rice" and "what if you add a few more single grains of rice"

i was like

you're hired

[wispy gulch]

then you get a rice plant after they mate

[covert linden]

Its a rice! and more? is rices! xD

[dark harness]

now we're off to the rices

[vocal shard]

To see a world in a grain of rice and heaven in a wild flower Hold infinity in the palm of your hand and eternity in an hour. - William Blake during his takeout years

[covert linden]

What I liked was this one quote...

"First, i'd like you to sketch out a monster. Once it's complete, what makes it a monster?"

[vocal shard]

guys!

[wispy gulch]

it's has rice?

[covert linden]

I hope so

[vocal shard]

you got to pay for full body tracking?
cause if i gotta pay 400 USD then fuck

[covert linden]

yes

you need the trackers lol

[vocal shard]

welp

[slate verge]

my plan for getting a vive has been delayed 😔

[covert linden]

vive; 400?$, 3 trackers $300

Valve: 700$
3 trackers: 100$

wait how much is the full vive in USD

[slate verge]

its 700

[languid beacon]

Vive pro? 1K

[covert linden]

ok fixed it, im too used to my canadian prices

[north axle]

I bought my Vive for over $1000, so I wouldn't complain right now. But Index might be worth it, we just need to wait a little bit more.

[slate verge]

750 if they tax in your area, and yeah vive pro is over 1k

[wispy gulch]

index 1k with two trackers. 4 ideal.

[covert linden]

you cant use 4 trackers in vrchat

[wispy gulch]

beat saber though?

[languid beacon]

I think Index is a better deal over vive pro right now, I like the controllers better

[covert linden]

Why do you need 4 trackers for a game where you hit squares!?

[languid beacon]

I think they might mean base stations

[slate verge]

@languid beacon did they say a specific date release for index?

[wispy gulch]

accuracy

[vocal shard]

I posit the existence of an eighth category... that is to say the inverse of the calzone, which would be "starch surrounded on all sides by a non-starch"? An anti-calzone, if you will. Seems rather rare, but not impossible (e.g. turkey with stuffing)

[covert linden]

we are talking about leg trackers and stuff

[vocal shard]

Yeah index is better deal than Vive pro imo. Cheaper and better clarity and fov

[languid beacon]

My email says August 31. Some people have already shipped

[wispy gulch]

kicking blocks - next feature

[covert linden]

but where does the 4th go...

[slate verge]

@languid beacon huh....alright....i might get the index later then

[covert linden]

one for each ancle, one for the hip.. and one.. forr.?

[wispy gulch]

tail

[covert linden]

you dont have a tail

[languid beacon]

Actually for serious I have a beat saber mod that supports full body tracking just for the custom vrchat avatar mod

[wispy gulch]

i do actually

[covert linden]

no

[slate verge]

[wispy gulch]

i am from a noble race of lizard people

who bred ferrets. accident happened.

[covert linden]

im saving up for the rift S, but it might be awhile before I can ;-; Im going to get a job late august and my money gets saved towards moving out, and visiting him

[slate verge]

aww thats nice

[languid beacon]

Rift S is a fine choice screen was way better than expected

[covert linden]

I just want it because im not in a living situation where I can use sensors

[languid beacon]

I’d get one if I didn’t have classic rift already

[slate verge]

well no arguments there, probably the cheapest and better experience

[vocal shard]

I'm curious about the Vive cosmos. They sparked my interest. Lol

[covert linden]

even when I move out itll be in a small trailer with my bf, hes got sensors and we dont need two sets of them overlapping

my question is it too late for the vive cosmos now that the quest build is out for oculus quest?

[languid beacon]

For me it’s not better enough to upgrade from classic but I don’t think anyone will be disappointed with Rift S as a first headset

[covert linden]

Itll be my third

[vocal shard]

The cosmos is a PC headset rea

[wispy gulch]

probably my second

[covert linden]

oh it is?

I thought it was another standalone my bad

[vocal shard]

No. It's PC with 6 cameras and supposedly 2k resolution per eye

[wispy gulch]

i'm probably going to use a gaming pc for portable dev. i don't have an office not want to dedicate one space for vr. i want all the spaces.

[covert linden]

ohh wow

id go for that but vive scARES me

[languid beacon]

Vive Cosmos is another inside out tracking headset but from HTC

[wispy gulch]

when is cosmos out?

[covert linden]

Ive owned the WMR, and the Rift. I havent been able to use the rift in full, before I sold it, but the sensors is super annoying. I love my wmr, its perfect. SO a wmr with better res and better trackign will be yummy!

[vocal shard]

O.o
Never heard a VR headset called yummy

[slate verge]

yummy

[languid beacon]

I’ve only owned DK2 and Rift. Tried a Rift S, Vive, an Quest

[wispy gulch]

tracking is yummy, the headset is a taco

[covert linden]

Super yummy like u jamjie

How was the IPD on the rift S for you Adeon?

[wispy gulch]

that's the teh dumb thing - quest has ipd, but rift-s doesn't?

[covert linden]

Rift S has software ipd vs physical

some wmr headsets also dont have a physical ipd

like mien

[vocal shard]

Rift S screen is fixed in place, so it can't move the lenses

[wispy gulch]

mmm

it's getting relatively low to poor ratings on amazon

[covert linden]

People I know who own it adore it

its best to go on vrc and get live reviews tbh

[wispy gulch]

i'd try one.

first, the beefy pc for my data research. gaming a bonus.

[covert linden]

I wish I could have a beefy pc for what I do but im broke xD got 16gb ram, 2600, and a 1660ti

which is still much better than my i7 8750h, 8gb ram, and my 1050 currentl

[wispy gulch]

what's the wish list? i have looked at, but cannot quite justify the razor blade pro

[vocal shard]

The rift S got a lot of hate based just on speculation. Lots even still say it's just a cheap headset worse than WMR without trying it. But most who actually use one quite like it.

I myself have a Rift CV1, used a Vive, own a few wmr headsets along with a Samsung Odyssey+, and after demoing it, would personally buy a Rift S to use over all of them if it wasn't for wanting to buy a quest.

I haven't used a Vive pro or an Index though, so those are a different story. Much better

[languid beacon]

@covert linden I didn’t use it long enough to know if it gave me headaches but it didn’t and at 6.66cm I am out of their their “suggested” IPD range but it was but Blurry. I didn’t get a chance to play vrc on it or I could have compared apparent depth/size which changes dramatically for me with my rifts IPD slider

Was not blurry *

I have noticed IPD slider really messes with perspective for me. For example at low values my head in a mirror looks huge

[meager solstice]

The launch problems with them also didn’t help

[rough pulsar]

at 66.6mm you were at its upper limit, and I've found being over the limit is more tolerable than under.

[covert linden]

wait so an ipd being off, can make heads look larger? because I have that issue in vr

everyones looks very wide to me

[hard spoke]

Happens with me, tho i mess around with it a lot so idk if that’s what’s causing it

[rough pulsar]

IF your software IPD setting and physical lens alignment is off things will have a strangely wrong size to them

[vocal shard]

That also depends on your avatar Rea. You have a small avatar so people will look bigger

[covert linden]

ohh righ

i think its mainly my bf who looks wider too and his avatar is somewhat wider,

[vocal shard]

You're like 4 feet tall in game.

[languid beacon]

For me yes. On my classic rift if I stand in front of a mirror and slide it up or down it seems to stretch or squish depth itself, as well as Change the apparent size of objects at a distance. This is most obvious to me when looking at my own head in a mirror

[covert linden]

Im 4 feet tall because my bfs extra and is short and I wanna be shorter ;-;\

[vocal shard]

[covert linden]

sad thing is im shorter in this blue avatar you havent seen yet

[languid beacon]

It does not change the size of objects on your retina so I have no idea why IPD slider makes things feel bigger or smaller for me but it does

[median basalt]

That's just how IPD works

The further away your eyes are the smaller stuff looks

[rough pulsar]

It's why a model of a house doesn't look as big as the house itself

[median basalt]

https://xkcd.com/941/

[rough pulsar]

because relative to the model house you have an ipd of something like 3 meters, as opposed to 6cm

[languid beacon]

But as far as I understand Oculus’s IPD slider is only moving the lenses it’s got no software link

[rough pulsar]

Nope, it has software

[languid beacon]

Oh ok that makes sense then

[rough pulsar]

The virtual cameras have to match the physical lenses

so the HMD reports the IPD value to the VR driver

[languid beacon]

Oh weird I never notice the cameras moving

[rough pulsar]

You won't

[median basalt]

That's the point

I think

[languid beacon]

I mean even with one eye closed I don’t notice the view shift

[rough pulsar]

Again, you won't notice the view shift with one eye

[languid beacon]

Even looking at pixels?

[rough pulsar]

Think of the HMD like two windows, if you move the windows on one side, the ones on the other must move in sync

For VR to work everything physical must have 1:1 equivalence with virtual, especially when it comes to rendering

[mighty cradle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/584525380157702164/592456651706073138/unknown.png

[covert linden]

one word. LAG

[rough pulsar]

Not necessarily. If it's built well and chunked up with occlusion culling and static batching it shouldn't be too bad.

[covert linden]

most worlds I go to where you can see it all end up with bad lag, I suppose not all but its like yikes

[umbral reef]

Thats why you split things like the skybox if its detailed into 4 parts so at worse case 50% is loaded

or 75% depending how big it is

Still saves loads

[covert linden]

the hills look like they used that grow tool on ps karting xD

[languid beacon]

Can you scale humanoid bones with animations? Or like scale a parent or it

[vocal shard]

Hmm

[dark harness]

every time I try to scale humanoid bones I get kicked out of the museum of anthropology; "hey, no climbing on the exhibits"

[worldly rover]

oof

i wonder how manny worlds will be distroyed by proj3ct r3birth

[rigid crescent]

is this a captain america reference

[worldly rover]

maybe

[tropic tundra]

Does anyone know if theres a discord for the harpy models?

[meager solstice]

Gearbell had harpies in her’s but its been a while since I was in her discord

[tropic tundra]

Ah dang. I'm lookin for anyone who has access to the files and will do customs

[vocal shard]

h a r p i e s

[fervent creek]

So is cloning bugged? Cuz people can clone my avatar while the Allow Avatar Cloning is unchecked :/

[vocal shard]

Could be they’re using a client to force clone your avatar

[fervent creek]

Well that sucks. Gotta delete it and reupload it. Slap on a name tag while I’m at it

[languid beacon]

There’s no real protection from public avatar cloning. People can pull a list of your blueprints and wear any of the public ones at any time, without you even being online. They only need to know your VRC name. If this bothers you, do not upload the thing as public.

@fervent creek

[fervent creek]

Problem is, I only want my avatar for my group of friends, so it’s a no win situation :/ I’ll just delete it and reupload it every now and then I guess. Cuz I salty

[wispy gulch]

watermark it?

[languid beacon]

Such a feature is not possible at the moment. You must send them the unitypackage

[fervent creek]

Yea that’s what ima do ferret