vrchat-general-2

[twin iron]

thank you guys

[mighty cradle]

👍

[bronze cape]

Well I figured out a way to boost performance a bit, by setting custom resolution in SteamVR settings

Because apparently Steam thought my headset had a lot more pixels than it really has, effectively doing automatic supersampling

[vocal shard]

The render is usually slightly higher than the display so it can warp the image properly. So 1x resolution in steamvr is usually a little bit higher resolution than your headset screens.
It might be more effective for vrchat if you hold shift when launching the game to use one of the low graphics presets to turn down the anti-aliasing

[bronze cape]

It makes a significant difference, but still not enough to reliably run VRChat on pc in busy areas with certain avatars

I actually went back into the settings and set VRChat at 1080x1080 for that

[vocal shard]

Ok. But have you tried the game settings as well?
The performance difference between 8x, 4x, and 0x anti aliasing is quite noticable from my experience as well. Default is the highest. Just giving tips

[bronze cape]

Got it set to desktop low, with the monitor resolution set to 320p. As I said, still not enough!

[north storm]

/tenor

[warm sage]

6 months is not that old

Wanna feel old? Play 𝓂𝒾𝓃𝑒𝒸𝓇𝒶𝒻𝓉

[covert linden]

@bronze cape get a better cpu/gpu perhaps if you can barely run it

[vocal shard]

speaking of anti-aliasing, msaa sucks and causes issues with the toonlit shader on edges of avatars because it doesnt msaa the shadow map

so every avatar (using toon lit) gets an ugly aliased border when affected by a realtime light afaik

it's made me consider bumping up to 400% samping in steamvr and turning the aa off

[languid beacon]

I wish I could render SteamVR smoothly with no AA

[broken plover]

do you mean steamvr lags? like the steamvr void lags?

[vocal shard]

rip can i not post pics here

[broken plover]

you can upload them to imgur or any other website and post the links

[vocal shard]

https://i.gyazo.com/0e2bc1e40060d5752f2d2f1fa915e8cf.png 400% steamvr sampling with desktoplow (no msaa)

https://i.gyazo.com/297045794ed45e60639cd3f9f4e5735b.png 400% steamvr sampling with vrlow (4x? msaa)

it's not so noticable that close up, but look around the hair - there's a light border for no reason. not to be confused with bleeding mipmaps

from further away, it's really clear and bothersome: https://i.gyazo.com/b9421716f9e8fac9eb5dd8c9a62697ce.png look at my arm

it's an msaa issue not caused by vrchat

[broken plover]

I wish I could run VRChat with more than 100% scaling

but my rx560 isnt gonna handle that very well

[vocal shard]

well even with 400% scaling you have very noticable bad aliasing compared to 4x msaa

so it's not an option to use desktoplow in vr really

[broken plover]

but I always use desktop low... Gotta check the game out with VRLow or VRHigh

[vocal shard]

definitely go for vrlow. vrhigh is just better shadow resolution as far as i've seen

I prefer to play in desktop low. Frames over graphics

antialiasing is a must for vr

the frame difference should be minimal between vrlow and desktoplow

0x vs 4x

It is noticable

[ruby needle]

i guess that highly depends on the GPU you have.
If your GPU is the liming factor then eh, if you have a good GPU and CPU is the limitng factor it wont cost performance

[languid beacon]

I can run oculus store version at constant 90 fps but SteamVR version is locked at 33 with some really bad stutter

[vocal shard]

Running a Samsung odyssey + on a 1060 3gb. Need those frames

weird

[languid beacon]

Can’t figure out why it’s such an extreme difference

[vocal shard]

do you use motion reprojection @vocal shard

Just whatever the default steamvr setting is

[languid beacon]

Where do you turn that stuff off? I can never find any settings

[vocal shard]

it's not a steam setting, look into it, it may be useful:

I just know I get better frames than my rift

\Steam\steamapps\common\MixedRealityVRDriver\resources\settings the file in there

//"motionReprojectionMode" : "auto",

uncomment that line

[languid beacon]

Rift does not seem to play well with SteamVR but it gets amazing fps on its native platform

[vocal shard]

Even the Oculus client for me

Idk why

you may not like how it looks (it introduces at least 1 frame of latency when it turns on, aka fps is lower than 90, and it sometimes has to go back 1 frame when you move)

[languid beacon]

Is that what causes everything to melt

[vocal shard]

and if you see wavy geometry that's part of the negatives too, but it should help improve how smooth VR runs as long as you can manage over 45 fps

you can comment out the line (put 2 // in front of it) to disable it

[languid beacon]

I would love to disable whatever causes melting stuff during lag

[vocal shard]

i dunno if stuff other than wmr has similar stuff, think they do, but idk where you'd go to turn that on/off

the meltyness is sometimes really distracting for me

[rough pulsar]

The distortion is spatial frame synthesis. Motion Smoothing in SteamVR, ASW with Oculus and I'm not sure if WMR's system has something like that too or not. There's usually ways to turn it off and fallback to rotational reprojection only.

[vocal shard]

is that also what causes the moving back of 1 frame or so while rotating

or is that the rotational reprojection doing it

[rough pulsar]

No

[languid beacon]

Yeah I really want rotational only. Oculus does it best. I really can’t find a way to disable motion smoother when using a rift on SteamVR

[vocal shard]

i wish we could get like... vrchat side fixed foveated rendering

[rough pulsar]

Rotational reprojection causes apparent frame doubling on linear motion, because it takes the previous frame and reprojects it for the new HMD pose but rotational only.

You need to shut off ASW on Oculus' driver end of things, not in SteamVR.

For vrchat-side fixed foveated rendering they'd need to do something like they did with Valve's The Lab, and that wouldn't be possible in VRC's environment since they had to do some weird shader stuff to support it. Which would mean all shaders would have to be modified to cooperate with it.

[signal thunder]

memory leaks are fun

[vocal shard]

the quest already does fixed foveated

[languid beacon]

I’m not sure what’s going on in SteamVR. Basically I get vibration on movement and locked low FPs until I take VRc window out of focus and put it back enough times until it finally locks at 90. Opening a oculus menu after that can randomly force it back to low fps. Only VrChat behaves this way

[earnest skiff]

Anyone here watch Outfoxed or theDooo ?

[misty turret]

Anyone else have video players crash people etc recently when trying to load videos?

[vocal shard]

#user-support-old

[obsidian oxide]

Whats the current consensus on whats the best vr headset you can get? or what are current pro/cons between vive/oculus/etc.? Talking especially for vrchat or games like beatsaber

[vocal shard]

Index is the best hands down if money is not a concern

[broken plover]

I guess the index with the index controllers will be the best for BeatSaber because you dont have to constantly hold the contorllers and you can just move your hands. And I imagine them being good for vrchat too

[vocal shard]

Index is the highest end quality headset you can buy right now

[obsidian oxide]

ah thats the one from steam right? valve

[broken plover]

yes

but its not really released yet. You could only preorder it

[vocal shard]

Why vrchat friendlist, avatar list not updated every 1 second i need to restart game everytime for update this..

It’s just like that

[broken plover]

ik everytime I wanna go to another world with my friends, They have to invite me because it still says theyre in my instance even though they joined another world. It really sucks. They should do something about that

[vocal shard]

Clear your cache and restart your pc and router @vocal shard

That's not my pc problem, that's happened to anyone @vocal shard

I said restart your pc and router

[light pivot]

The client caches your friend list for a period of time to avoid overloading the endpoint. Just give it a minute or so and it should update. I have had it break occasionally and require a client restart, but that's been a relatively rare occurrence.

[obsidian oxide]

other than the index which isn't even released (until 31. august) what would be the next best thing

[night lark]

unitychans real name is otori kohaku

[obsidian oxide]

what people currently use i meant

[broken plover]

propably the vive pro (with full body tracking) and the wireless adapter

its costs alot of money tho

[vocal shard]

Vive pro is not worth the money

[ruby needle]

Vive Pro isn't a headset targetet at consumers

[twin iron]

Next gen headsets are coming soon, if say wait

I’d

[broken plover]

then go with the normal vive if you want the best "targeted at consumers" but if money doesnt matter to you you can just go for the vive pro with the stuff I said above

[ruby needle]

No, index

[vocal shard]

Save up wait for index

[broken plover]

He asked for "what people currently use"

[twin iron]

True, apologies @broken plover

[obsidian oxide]

27. august would be wow classic release and i would really have the time to dive into it.. i'm currently interested in getting one and playing until i can no longer stand until then lol ... at least its what i'm thinking about right now.. i've been in this community since it got big but mostly lurking.. i've been kicking myself ever since for never getting one..

[ruby needle]

Index users are now out there tho 😃

and in a few days a broad mass of them

[twin iron]

Id like to see the bugs get worked out of it first .. I rarely buy first gen anything

[obsidian oxide]

Not really interested in headsets that come out in a few months or something that are priced really high... more interested in something that allows me to play vrchat and beatsaber without it making problems while still not being priced at 1000€ something..
something that the general user around here also uses.. not talking about headsets for like 100€ either.. money wouldn't be an issue in the end even if it gets to around 700 or whatever, but i'm more talking about, what are one of the better options currently

[broken plover]

according to a steam survey about 40 something % use the Oculus rift. So you could go for that

[obsidian oxide]

whats do people use mostly, whats just flat out terrible and should be avoided... etc.

[twin iron]

I use the Rift S it’s $400 with above average performance

[broken plover]

The oculus is like the all-rounder. It can do everything but its not as "premium" as the vive (or the index will be)

vive is like the "premium VR" and wmr is cheap stuff if youre broke

[obsidian oxide]

I have seen (a friends talked about it) that you can also rent an oculus for 35€ per month for 3 months and buy it for 1€ if i'd really want to keep it in the end

[ruby needle]

renting usually means loosing money if you plan is to have it in the end anyway

[broken plover]

I mean if you wanna wait for the index but you still wanna play VR you can rent a vr headset until the index comes out

[ruby needle]

Well, index releases in 5 Days so...

[broken plover]

isnt it sold out?

[vocal shard]

And how much would it be to rent a headset?

[obsidian oxide]

index in 5 days? i read it releases on 31. august

[ruby needle]

june 15th when i searched it

[inner cape]

update for vrc monkaS

[ruby needle]

ah i see, yeah its august for current orders

But release is not then

And restock might happen quicker, who knows

[languid beacon]

Isn’t pimax better screens than Index?

[broken plover]

pimax has highest resolution and highest fov but its built out of cheap plastic and falls apart really fast

[ruby needle]

the pimax is one of these "lets trow around big numbers no matter if it works or not" things

[languid beacon]

Which state?

[broken plover]

doenst only england have a king/queen?

[inner cape]

no

[obsidian oxide]

rofl

[languid beacon]

Should be available from other digital stores eventually

[broken plover]

I knew the school system sucks! These (bad word) didnt tell me the whole story

[languid beacon]

Also England is currently a Queendom not a Kingdom

That’s how that works

[ruby needle]

[vocal shard]

Pimax has higher resolution. But it's stretched over the wide fov so the pixel density looks the same as a Lenovo explorer

[broken plover]

Lenovo explorers Pixel densitiy isnt really bad

[vocal shard]

It's one of the higher ones out there. I like my Lenovo for racing Sims.

It's very sharp

[languid beacon]

I’m getting the full Index kit instead of reusing my 1.0 base stations because their tracking is spotty and I’m hoping 2.0 is better

I feel bad for people who buy vive pro this late in the game

[broken plover]

Youre making me buy a vive. I always wanted a lighthouse tracked system. But I dont have money

[vocal shard]

Save up then

[languid beacon]

Is there even an eta on vive pro eye?

[ruby needle]

Index > Vive Pro Eye

[languid beacon]

Pretty sure vive pro eye is not out

[broken plover]

cOmMiT TaX FrAuD (jk)

[vocal shard]

I don't see the appeal of the Vive pro eye. Eye tracking and Foveated rendering is really good, but why not higher resolution screens if you're doing that

[lunar shell]

Vive Pro Eye still has the same optics as Vive.

Index has better opticss

[vocal shard]

Yeah

[languid beacon]

I’d want eye tracking for social use / avatar control gaze control. I don’t care about foviated rendering

[lunar shell]

Would be neat to have.

[obsidian oxide]

Sooo thinking about it again... would 3 months rent for 35€ per month of oculus with controllers and 2 sensors be a good deal? what would you recommend if i would be interested in fullbody tracking just for fun, i guess these 2 sensors are just for tracking of the controllers or whats up with them?

[ruby needle]

neat to have, but nothing i'd ever want to spend double the price and downgrade other factors for

[languid beacon]

I would not recommend a classic rift anymore. Lovely headset but it’s time has passed

[lunar shell]

Yes way too expensive just for that one feature.

[ruby needle]

classic rift for a good price used is still worth

[languid beacon]

If it’s cheap yes

[ruby needle]

but there definitely is better by now

[broken plover]

whats the best price for a used vive?

[lunar shell]

Vive is still good especially if you want fbt and or wireless.

[viscid seal]

classic rift > rift S

[languid beacon]

Agree, but I don’t recommend either

[obsidian oxide]

they also have a vive with controllers and 2 sensors for 50€ per month if you rent for 3 months

[languid beacon]

I recommend classic rift over original vive.

[viscid seal]

true Ade 😃 saving up for index myself 😛

[obsidian oxide]

@viscid seal sup o/

[viscid seal]

hey Skiz 😃 its been a while 😮

[languid beacon]

If you are going to go with a lighthouse headset try and spring for 2.0 tracking stuff so you don’t get locked into a dead upgrade path

[lunar shell]

I'm saving up for the Index too. Since I'll have everything else except the hmd nyway.

[broken plover]

btw do you guys think the og vive is gonna drop in price even more after the index released?

[obsidian oxide]

yup.. kinda getting interested in actually buying/renting one right now because i don't wanna miss out.. cellenseres actually ordered one a few hours ago so... would be cool to run around in vrchat with him

and you all

[ruby needle]

nah @broken plover at least not noticeably

im quite interested to see how fast index will drop

[vocal shard]

The index isn't part of the Vive line. So HTC will still try to sell theirs

[lunar shell]

Would be nice if the Index would once they start mass producing it.

[languid beacon]

They are priced to not discourage other companies from using their spec and selling their own

[broken plover]

On ebay the average price for a used vive is between 350€-500€

[obsidian oxide]

woot..

[ruby needle]

used thats quite a lot

[vocal shard]

Curious how the Vive cosmos is going to be. The rumor is 2k per eye

[ruby needle]

thats like... close to new price

[broken plover]

when I saved up enough money ill check again. maybe theyll be cheaper then

[obsidian oxide]

paying 3 months of 35€ seems pretty cheap for renting a new oculus then

[languid beacon]

Original vive’s base stations aren’t as good, it can be used with index but it’s not as stable

[ruby needle]

@obsidian oxide well thats 105€ and then giving it back after 3 months

[lunar shell]

I've had zero issues with my basestations. It's 100% on.

[obsidian oxide]

pay 1€ in the end to buy it

[ruby needle]

how would that fiancially work

[broken plover]

wait. who offers this? I wanna check it myself

[obsidian oxide]

https://www.grover.com/de-de/products/virtual-reality-glasses-rift-vr-with-2-touch-controllers-bundle

[broken plover]

that literally buying cheap af

[obsidian oxide]

german website tho

the units they send out will be new or good as new

[broken plover]

luckily im in germany

[obsidian oxide]

and for that price.. idc if someone used it once or twice

or am i stupid

[ruby needle]

nah you're wrong there

three months AFTER you have reached the UVP value by renting you can buy it for 1€

[vocal shard]

It's after you.. ^ yeah that

[ruby needle]

so you gotta rent it and pay each month till it has stacked up to a total of rental price for the UVP (recommendet retail price)

and then 3 months after that you can buy it out for 1€

so you loose

[vocal shard]

You end up paying more

[obsidian oxide]

meh.. i understood it the other way around

[broken plover]

would be too good to be true

[vocal shard]

Otherwise it doesn't make sense for them

[ruby needle]

that wouldnt make sense if you just think about it.
Like, how would that business model work? 😄

[obsidian oxide]

so just buying right from oculus would be the best? or are there better deals somewhere right now you might know about

[ruby needle]

you cant buy it new

Rift is discontinued

[broken plover]

maybe on ebay if youre fine with a used one.

[ruby needle]

Yes.

[obsidian oxide]

yeah its stupid i know but i read it wrong

[ruby needle]

there is a ton of used rifts out there and parts are also still sold

[obsidian oxide]

fml i've been out of this community for far too long

no more rift?

[vocal shard]

The rift was replaced by rift s

The rift was discontinued

[ruby needle]

rift is ofc still suppored and wont be made unusable

but they dont produce it anymore

[vocal shard]

And Vive is still trying to hang on with selling the same 3 year old tech at full price while a wave on new headsets come in

It's.... Kinda a mess

[obsidian oxide]

yeah thats what made me ask instead of just buying into something direclty

[broken plover]

on the vive page they sell the og vive for 599€ and on ebay theres used ones between 350€ and 500€ so they ARE a bit cheaper

[languid beacon]

Leg IK is network broadcasted even in non-full body. Couldn’t the walk just be baked and not use Ik? It looks so bad using network Ik

[boreal kelp]

Nothing like going into a world and ending up in a group of people that you gel with and can have some fun with

[obsidian oxide]

whats up with oculus s/quest also.. i've read something about you'd actually be able to buy some sort of vive equipment to allow full body tracking with oculus?

[vocal shard]

Facebook demonstrated a full body tracking system and a haptic suit as well. But that just in develpment and not close to being released

[broken plover]

you can buy vive basestations and 3 trackers and connect them with steamvr (while your oculus rift (s) is also connected to steamvr) and use that as full body tracking in vrchat

[boreal kelp]

So far today in the never have I ever world, I saw someone with a train avatar, a bizarre furry cow avatar with big boobs, and a giant anime girl in a bikini.

[broken plover]

seen all that exept the train avatar...

[languid beacon]

I get told I teleport everywhere

[vague trail]

fortnite

[elfin cloak]

hallo there

i have a problem with vrchat ui

whenever i want to interact with provided options all are unlockable

is there any future fix for that
or
what can i do about it

please help

nah i mean on regular vrchat UI options

[vocal shard]

@vocal shard I too have the inability to speak. But how I developed this inability was 15 years ago. I was oppressed by humanity for existing and I can no longer enjoy life man. So I live a life as a Nonskiller only to ask forgiveness for doing nothing wrong. Anyway; if you want to speak to people just keep your mic enabled the entire time. Talk about their avatar, if you one of those crazy folks.. role play or talk to yourself while role playing. AKA be the character — such as the Kermit or the Knuckles or Vegeta by playing extrovert Avatars, you will be able to be the king of the party.

[elfin cloak]

you know when you click esc button on your keyboard

[vocal shard]

I hope that information helps you be able to speak on vrchat

that’s very helpful. thank you so much!! :3

Just don’t be obnoxious — also if you can’t handle peer pressure don’t use the aggressive avatars like Knuckles or Kermit or Vegeta; use a more kinder avatar or one of those cat avatar things that way you can just be yourself

my avatar rn is a cat wearing a Spider-Man costume lol

There we go

[fathom swan]

Use a meme nicer avatar

And make sure it doesn’t have any annoying gestures

[lunar shell]

Yes. What's up with people using gestures and animations that shake and blur the whole screen?

[fathom swan]

Annoying people

Or an accident prolly

[vocal shard]

Just don’t be a furry or a Ferret.. their personality turns very... oddly; like they cause problems or they try to prevent problems that are never to occur

[topaz topaz]

What's wrong with furries?

[lethal pond]

what's wrong with furries?

lol

[topaz topaz]

I'm asking, do you have a problem?

[lethal pond]

i love fucking dogs

[topaz topaz]

Furries do not fuck animals.

Educate yourself.

[vocal shard]

Eh that’s debatable

[lethal pond]

no of course not, they have never done that

[topaz topaz]

I don't even know why people think that.

[lethal pond]

also what's @kerothewolf?

[vocal shard]

Ideally — the newer Furries on VRChat are the problem, the veteran ones are not.

[umbral reef]

<@&397642795457970181> Some people need parenting

[topaz topaz]

Oh, I see.

[vague hemlock]

[indigo fern]

[vocal shard]

A good spanking

What I don’t get about the safety system is — I started off purple due to the amount of friends, worlds, and avatars I have 100+ friends, 357 avatars; 8 public worlds. But people I seen since last month are still the same rank lol

Plus 1.5k hours

[broken plover]

well, it seems like you played the game alot, so that explains why youre trusted user

[topaz topaz]

I think content creation speeds up the process, too.

[broken plover]

I dont have that much avatars, idk how many friends and 1 private world and im only known user

[lethal pond]

maps are the biggest decider, and map popularity on top of that

[broken plover]

time to optimize my map and make it public then

[vestal pier]

i got purp at 400hr with no content uploaded

[vocal shard]

The social route

[vestal pier]

started off as orange though.

[broken plover]

after the rank system I was orange too, still orange till this day

[vocal shard]

Social+exploration route

[vague hemlock]

Dude Speed running VRChat rank system

[broken plover]

and I only got about 230hrs playtime on steam

[vestal pier]

i met a guy who got purp at 300, he beat me 😦

[broken plover]

how do you get over 1k playtime... seems like a lot of time

[vague hemlock]

Play for over a year

[vocal shard]

I played for 2 years however I took a 3 month break

[broken plover]

a friend of me recently got trusted user and hes always mocking me how im still known user

he did upload a lot of avatars tho

[vocal shard]

Never once did I speak to anyone since my return. People think I’m a mute

[mighty cradle]

lol

[vague hemlock]

I have 1300 hrs over 2 years, pretty low, but then I realised I had 3000 in blender

Sooo

[broken plover]

I dont speak to some of my friends but to other I do speak. Because the people I dont speak with are the people from my desktop time where I used tts

[vocal shard]

And I am a mute for the time being, I don’t feel like talking yet maybe in a couple months my stigma to speak comes back

One day I will be able to speak again. I loss my voice (actually I rarely speak on vrchat even before that time) — built a RuneScape community for people and now trying to rebuild a Knuckles meme so it can go-exist in vrchat again. Then I will make one for Kermits so their population doubles

But ye — spent a year being a RS avatar; then a year as a Knuckles (but I will be transitioning to a Kermit this month.. and being one for an entire year)

project Knuckles is almost complete it just needs community events to speculate new art

[mighty cradle]

meanwhile i'm all "look at deez tits i found" with some pretty lewd looking avatar and this guy's going on about eras with single avatars

why even exist

[vocal shard]

I should choose a rendering day for my Knuckles world as it usually takes half to 2 hours to bake the world. — I need to add banners, more guards, more Knuckles Artwork. And then I need to add a “Catwalk” room for people to see each of the Knuckles in fashion

[broken plover]

Uganda 2.0

[mighty cradle]

👀

[vocal shard]

Note that this Knuckles world will be the best Knuckles world in 2019 —

[broken plover]

looking forward to it

[mighty cradle]

ditto here

[candid acorn]

I feel like the map popularity factor is at odds with the community labs method of publication. We don't have the numbers we had in say, February, and most stick to certain key maps.
And on top of that, community labs is like deliberately hidden and not intuitive to navigate. Seems like unless you have a lot of friends to wrangle into your new map, some maps might never get public. By the same metric, I'm sure there's plenty of people who just don't bother with community labs who might otherwise bother if the same map was just normal public. Feels like the kind of methods they're trying to do are meant for a way larger playerbase the likes of which vrchat peaked at. Rather than the playerbase (with its current habits) we have now.
Bigthinks.

[vocal shard]

Ye that is is an issue. That is why they have those forums for if your world is an “avatar” world or a “game word” or “other” —- idk if they still have that open

With that it has an individual look at the world and that’s the best way to make a world public; however, community labs is automated

[floral meadow]

is there like a live support, not just instructions or...?

[boreal kelp]

I would like to make a world at some point

[rigid crescent]

Nope

[floral meadow]

dang it.

[rigid crescent]

Gotta email them for anything not here

[candid acorn]

It's not even just a ui issue. (That is a problem though- for one thing if you are viewing a labs map and hit "back" the tab auto collapses again and when you reopen it, it updates, often making you lose your place) just seems they put too much emphasis on the "BE CAREFUL, EXPERIMENTAL, ETC" stuff that it's like almost how do I put it, coupled with the auto collapsed tab, almost segregated or "looks bad"

Like hidden almost

[vocal shard]

Better to have an avatar world or a game world if you want to be public then

[vagrant spire]

@vocal shard

😆

u know the rest i guess

have a nice report

[languid beacon]

Other people spending time in worlds you made or wearing avatars you made (and not getting it hidden) certainly appears to help at least at some stage of the trust metric. It’s certainly a box that gets checked

The system is kind of designed to prevent grinding

[sturdy flint]

Hey guys, general question here, I pushed a world but I still don't have enough trust to publish it. What's the way to get trust? I have over 100+ hours in VRChat too.

[vocal shard]

Keep working on making Avatars. When I started VRChat; I started off making 2D-3D Models (RIGGED) -- I never make Low Quality Avatars as it would mentally scar me inrl.

[sturdy flint]

I only make worlds not avatars.

[vocal shard]

But; I started making 2D 3D Rigged Avatars to get a jist at 3D modeling again; I was rusty and haven't done it in years so I needed 2 weeks to practice.

Oh..

Well.. you can make a 2D World; I tried making a 2D World myself but I never published it.

[sturdy flint]

Okay that's totally fine, but to actually publish the worlds.

What's the criteria?

[vocal shard]

1. Needs to be Optimized || If it has avatars they need to follow the Optimized Rules (None of the avatars follow the rules; due to Dynamic Bones or having too many Materials)

2. It needs to be VR-Friendly

3. 90+ FPS (Turn off all your aplications and test the world; bring friends and one VR Person in the world too)

4. If you have Applications on and it's 40 FPS+ it is 90 FPS

[sturdy flint]

I'm talking about actually publishing,

[vocal shard]

5. Route 1 || THe Application given which is viewed by a moderator to accept the world || Route 2 -- Community Labs, if you don't have friends or people who know you made a world.. the world will not be public. It's about population.

[sturdy flint]

Ah

So it says I have 6 visits,

But "YUou don't have enough trust to publish worlds, yet"

[vocal shard]

I personally like Route 1 -- When I heard news about this new update about Community Labs; it made me sick in the stomach as it made it more difficult to upload public worlds; as I only upload once a month.

[languid beacon]

Actually you can no longer apply for public worlds to my knowledge. They got rid of that system?

[vocal shard]

Now they made it difficult to upload Avatar Worlds too now? 😠

[languid beacon]

Community labs is the only way unless I have outdated info

[sturdy flint]

So long story short I can't upload this publicly?

I uploaded it through the Unity SDK

[vocal shard]

You could take a month to make a world and then it could be a waste of time.

[languid beacon]

You should be able to put it on community labs

[sturdy flint]

It is

[languid beacon]

Then it’s public

People can search for it that is

[sturdy flint]

It says I can't publish it.

[vocal shard]

Versus someone who rips a world and it's only a box and people are sent to that world are like.. "Make it Public" xD

Which takes 30 mins or less.

[sturdy flint]

Sorry that was the wrong link: https://www.vrchat.com/home/launch?worldId=wrld_86465181-7053-49a3-9fff-5d38f20c0023&instanceId=36751

[vocal shard]

However; if it's the entire game world.. then respect (a whole day bake render or less)

[languid beacon]

I think the SDK is bugged . There is no more publish to public. They will make your labs world public automatically when it gets used enough

[covert linden]

.. it says public

[sturdy flint]

COMMUNITY LABS
You don't have enough trust to publish worlds, yet.

[broken plover]

what trust rank do you have ingame?

[languid beacon]

If it’s already in labs the it’s just bugged

[covert linden]

Space Hub Omega - Public
Created by: _code

[languid beacon]

Or maybe your trust went down after publishing

[broken plover]

You need to be atleast user to do that. if you are user and you did upload that world then its just bugged

[vocal shard]

Code must have done something bad to lose his Trust.

[sturdy flint]

I'm a User, how do I see my trust?

[vocal shard]

Man critical.

[languid beacon]

Your trust is User

[sturdy flint]

Yes I need to be trusted,

How do I do that?

[languid beacon]

You don’t

[vocal shard]

Like I was saying... make 2D-3D Avatars (but Rigged)

[languid beacon]

You only need user/green

[sturdy flint]

Okay so then why is it saying: You don't have enough trust to publish worlds, yet.

[vocal shard]

It will train you to make 3D Avatars and understand how to make them. It is the best way to teach yourself and not ask questions.

[sturdy flint]

Also, I got a email back from the team:

[languid beacon]

As I said If it’s already in the labs it’s just a bug. It should be saying “already in labs”

[sturdy flint]

"Gotcha, I understand now. You're able to upload new worlds once you become a "New User", but you're not able to submit the worlds into Community Labs until you're a "User"."]

Ah okay, thanks!

[vocal shard]

In School/College; I never once asked a question. Because I knew everything because I would self-study (or the school/college lacks the knowledge) -- So I would ask them about how these skills could be applied in business.. and they failed to give me a proper answer.

[sturdy flint]

@vocal shard I'm a game developer " It is the best way to teach yourself and not ask questions." thank you but I don't need to make 3D avatars.

[vocal shard]

So that is why.. you ened to teach yourself and do things independenly or something o.O

[sturdy flint]

I'm a software engineer.

[languid beacon]

Also new user (blue) is not the same as user (green)

[vocal shard]

I'm sorry. Im a Nonskilled person with no skills.

I have no skills only talent.

[sturdy flint]

I don't need to learn, I need to understand why I'm still not able to publish.

[vocal shard]

I dont even have a job.

[sturdy flint]

You'll get one 😃

[vocal shard]

No. California only want people who are Diverse and Poor and "Professional" but the only professional I have seen were people with lesser skill

[sturdy flint]

@languid beacon So just to be 100% it is published it's just a bug?

[covert linden]

having no skills would be saD

[languid beacon]

Is your world in labs already?

[covert linden]

i have like 9 skills

[vocal shard]

I have no skills inrl only Talent lol

[languid beacon]

If so it’s published

[sturdy flint]

I don't believe so, how can I check that?

[covert linden]

skill =/= talent

[languid beacon]

Drop a portal to it in game and it should have the labs logo on it

[vocal shard]

Talent > Skill -- I loss faith in Skill a long time ago

[covert linden]

do you mean talent as in things that arent useful in life like bending your hand a certain way llol

cough
tal·ent
/ˈtalənt/
Learn to pronounce
noun
1.
natural aptitude or skill.

[vocal shard]

And I turned into Nonskiller

[sturdy flint]

It's not showng up in the search for space hub omega

[languid beacon]

It should show up under “mine”

[covert linden]

so you mean none of your talents are worked towards on (otherwise itd be a skill)

[sturdy flint]

No there's no logo 😦

How can I upload images?

[languid beacon]

YoubcanMt you have to link to them

[vocal shard]

But anyway; after learning how people are -- People who are involved in Industry or use to be. I learned that I do not wish to label myself as "Skilled" or "Professional" and anyone who calls themselves that, they need to prove themselves or tell what project they worked on. Like Code has a Badass world so it shows proof of his work. I like his world that he linked to be honest pretty cool. -- Also I have developed a dislike toward Old and Young people because they got things backwards.

So even if I do have skill.. I will not call it a skill but a Talent.

For I am Nonskilled.

[covert linden]

I count anything I take pride and and do well in a skill lol

[sturdy flint]

https://imgur.com/acHsVDv

[languid beacon]

In unity, go to “manage uploaded content” and verify if the world says private or public

[sturdy flint]

I'm 100% it was public

[vocal shard]

VRChat be bugged

or they made it not Public anymore.

[languid beacon]

Then it’s already public . There is nothing to publish

[sturdy flint]

😦

[vocal shard]

Some worlds stop existing apparently.

[covert linden]

I am skilled in writing, For I am in the creation of a movie. I am skilled in editing, as ive been doing it for 5 years. I am skilled in Art, as ive been intensely studying it and working towards bettering myself in that field. I am skilled in Photography etc, theres nothing wrong with calling htem a skill if its something your good with

[sturdy flint]

Awesome, thanks guys,.

[languid beacon]

If you can’t find it in search maybe you forgot to tag it

[covert linden]

doesnt vrcs search work as ORS not ands?

[sturdy flint]

https://imgur.com/42BR8Xn

[vocal shard]

Imma stick with being called Nonskilled. It's a persona I developed on the Internet and in Real-Life lol

The Ultimate Underdog >>>

[languid beacon]

Um

That link says it’s private

[vocal shard]

Why I started calling myself Nonskilled inrl and Identifying myself as "Nonskilled" as a Gender/Race -- Is because people flake and are lazy yet they call themselves profesisonal

so.. I rather be Nonskilled.

[sturdy flint]

Yes because it's saying I don't have enough trust.

[languid beacon]

So no it’s not public and not published and you can’t publish it because you probably arent a User yet

[sturdy flint]

Lol,

I am a user

[vocal shard]

I should change my Gender and Race on my Social Media to "Nonskilled" as it is how I identify myself >>

[covert linden]

Yeah do like calling themselves professional.. when theyre not or when they have a long ways to go

[sturdy flint]

https://imgur.com/UmlLHvJ

[covert linden]

I dont think as a person who desires to be freelance ill ever call myself that. I simply like the word skill in the end

[languid beacon]

So the outline on your name is Green, not blue? Your name tag is green?

Blue can upload but not publish

Pretty sure you are New User

[vocal shard]

It's best to call oneself Nonskilled and then I would make a joke to those "Professional" minded people.. I have became Cynical over the years. I would insult them without insulting them.. I would make a laugh a joke relating to an issue.

[languid beacon]

Not User

[sturdy flint]

https://imgur.com/PB99Eo1

[vocal shard]

I became cynical over the years unfortunately.

[covert linden]

as long as the name doesnt drag you down its 100% ok

[languid beacon]

That’s not your trust rank.

Ask someone what color your name tag is or look at your profile picture on the quick menu

[sturdy flint]

Oh trust level is new user yes

[languid beacon]

Yeah there ya go

Once you go up another level you can publish

[sturdy flint]

https://imgur.com/g7PDiGb

Okay, what

Okay, what's the way to go up another level?

[kindred briar]

why are you making fotos of your screen when you can use the printscreen button

[languid beacon]

Visitor (grey)
New User (blue)
User (green)
Known User (orange)
Trusted User (purple)

[vocal shard]

Plus with matters worse; it is because I do not drink, smoke, do drugs, or herb/weed (There are people who get triggered when you speak down at Mar-J or Weed or Herbs btw so I have to use the right Pro-Nouns) ... The only thing that keeps me happy is living each day creating content.

[covert linden]

sewarsgtyh ptsd me out

[sturdy flint]

That's is the printed screen.

[kindred briar]

thats a foto bro

the hek

[sturdy flint]

It's the filter on VR chat

It's not a photo.

[languid beacon]

It’ll just happen as people use your stuff or hang out in your worlds. Invite people to them and continue exploring the game and socializing and it will just happen on its own provided you don’t get negative feedback (being muted/blocked etc )

[sturdy flint]

https://imgur.com/zZ40oIG

[languid beacon]

Really you don’t even need people to use your worlds

[sturdy flint]

Ah okay, thank you @languid beacon

[kindred briar]

oh you're just in a world with shitty filters i see

[sturdy flint]

Yeah,

[languid beacon]

I’ve had people get to trusted without uploading anything

[vocal shard]

I dont get what Code is doing ._. but ye it's filters

[sturdy flint]

Cool, thanks for the info.

You guys are more than welcome to add me as a friend, I need as many as I can get 😃

[slate verge]

uh....so apparently your rank can decrease overtime according a 2 year old friend on vrchat

(though i had no idea how could that happen)

[kindred briar]

if you do toxic stuff yes. and people block you.

[slate verge]

oh...

[kindred briar]

xd

[sturdy flint]

Does anyone make money from VRChat?

[vocal shard]

Yes lots

[languid beacon]

Being blocked, muted, warned, or vote kicked are largely assumed to lower your trust. For some reason; deleting uploaded content also lowers trust

[slate verge]

no not really, but you can guess that youtubers and twitch streamers gets quite alot of support

[sturdy flint]

"Yes lots" Trusted not trustworthy

[vocal shard]

Yuh

Streamers model makers people who do commissions

[kindred briar]

" avatar creators " earn a lot with custom avatars..

[sturdy flint]

Ah, okay.

[slate verge]

oh when you put it like that lol

[kindred briar]

but most of the time not with original content they made themselves

[languid beacon]

People make money with vrchat. I can personally verify as I have paid people for commissions quite a bit

[sturdy flint]

I write plugins and mods for games as a side thing here and there, I don't rig or model, I don't see how I can generate from that.

[slate verge]

i'm sure you can do it

[languid beacon]

Yeah the only real money making here is avatar creation

[vocal shard]

I make lots of Avatars; but I do it for free. Sometimes I spend money on my own pocket to make Free Avatars

[sturdy flint]

I have a pdf to image conversion for a Library in VRChat, would you guys be intrested in me making such a world?

[mighty cradle]

hmmm

could you make the pages work?

[sturdy flint]

Yes,

[vocal shard]

I only make 1,000 dollars a month since i don't have a job; hard earned money; because I believe in a better future. This is what a Nonskilled person can do.. make 300 to 1,000 dollars a month. -- But when it comes on here; my avatars are free or at least a 10 dollars

[languid beacon]

Yeah this game isn’t really set up for monetization yet. People make stuff via PayPal or Patreon

[sturdy flint]

@mighty cradle https://imgur.com/8CiaUr9

Yeah I assumed that much Adeon.

[vocal shard]

Hmmm...

I like this lol

I should make a world where it has Business Instructionals.

It will be called.. "VR-CONNECT" where people can meet, speak, and talk about their business in their local area.

[mighty cradle]

dude

hold up

don't forget to host you own crypto market in vrc for that shit

and then shut everything down like a year later and run with the money

[vocal shard]

Actually.. I am working under one of those inrl

[mighty cradle]

and if you don't understand the reference, then shoo

[vocal shard]

Or it's a Non-Profit Organization

I do not understand references because I am not Mainstream

[mighty cradle]

thin reference is underground af mate

[vocal shard]

Idk underground either

This is why I am Nonskilled.

I am not skilled enough to understand such things that belong in the Mainstream or the Underground anymore.

I ask myself; why do I still exist if I am not Mainstream nor Underground; where am I? -- The only Resolution :: Become Nonskiller the one who is nothing yet many.

Just like how Bruce Wayne loss his parents and became a Bat man

Sound depressed on the Internet || Act Happy and Cynical in-real-life. || But when it comes to money, enjoy life and profit off people.

[sturdy flint]

One last question, can I host content on a server or site as data and display it? Think Material renderer displaying a image from the web.

[vocal shard]

You probably can, but idk the process to that; VRChat has a way to link a website

Most people use it to stream videos; but nobody really uses the Website Application.

[sturdy flint]

Ah, okay I'll just check the API.

Thanks!

[languid beacon]

What am I even reading

[vocal shard]

The Journalization of a Nonskiller. I don't even have a main avatar.. ._.

I just stick as the current avatar I am stuck in a Genre-Theme for an entire year.. two weeks from now.. I become a Kermit for an entire year. So hopefully, I can learn to lighten-up

[languid beacon]

@sturdy flint pretty sure you cannot do that

You can link to outside media via the SDK but you cannot fetch images

[sturdy flint]

What's the linkage?

[vocal shard]

I like Code's idea though = But he should look more into using a "Slide-Show" method using Youtube.

[sturdy flint]

Through a POST / GET?

[vocal shard]

IF you wanted to make an Orientation Room; use Youtube as a Slide-Show system; and then time yourself when you speak

Someone in VRchat said.. "Where can I find a safe world.." -- I put a portal called "Your Safe Space" and he looked at me.. and got mad.. and I was just trying to help find a Safe world.. ;/

There are no safe worlds besides your home world

Well.. I made world caled "your ssafe space"

It's a Safe Space world

Plus it's public for a Safe Space.

Alright.. time to make Knuckle Avatars

[sullen sequoia]

Ayyyye, anyone wanna chill and watch movies? I might just go to that one movie player world that actually works and watch some random stuff, maybe venom.

[mighty cradle]

welp

uh

i sorta can't

[past turtle]

Guys vrchat on quest keeps reloading

Like every 5 seconds it will reload the whole world in

[vocal shard]

Eww quest

[past turtle]

Lmao

[inner cape]

it really be like that

[mighty cradle]

the quest port was so fucking rushed

[vocal shard]

duh

Goal was to make it a launch title

[rigid crescent]

"that one movie player world" THE movie player world

All honesty im surprised it's still up

[stark coral]

Hey so some people in vrchat server discords have Discord Rich Presence when they are in vrchat but i dont, is there a way i can turn it on or something?

[fathom swan]

What

[vocal shard]

Tf is discord rich presence

You mean nitro boosting?

[stark coral]

its that thing that you see that give you details about the game

[vocal shard]

What

[fathom swan]

U trippin g

[stark coral]

🤦 one sec

[vocal shard]

I've never heard of that before

[rigid crescent]

I've seen it once or twice

[sullen sequoia]

Details about the game?

[rigid crescent]

Also detective Pikachu got added this weekend go eat up the bandwidth 👌

[plush cove]

H a i

[sullen sequoia]

I feel like @stark coral is talking about the SDK

[stark coral]

no

[rigid crescent]

They're talking about discord rich presence

[past vapor]

Detective Pikachu is now in the movie world? niice.

[rigid crescent]

Yes got added Saturday while we were all drunk at like 4am and bored

[past vapor]

But i think since the bandwith and lag and problems ill just watch using rabbit

[sullen sequoia]

Well, I've never heard of it, also, i'm gonna go watch Detective Pikachu if it was added, I'm making it public so anyone can join.

[stark coral]

like this https://imgur.com/JOXnQeR

thats discord rich presence

[rigid crescent]

Well the bandwidth only limits the number of movies watched per day

[sullen sequoia]

I was watching Venom but everyone started making weird hentai jokes.

[rigid crescent]

And the lag is you syncing in for a minute or two depending on your system

[velvet quarry]

There is no official implementation of Discord rich presence in VRChat. @stark coral

[covert linden]

rabbit never works for me anymore

[vocal shard]

Sweet hentai

[stark coral]

ah ok

[covert linden]

however its easy to just use discord to stream

[past vapor]

oh there you are @covert linden

[sullen sequoia]

Well, if anyone wants to chill, as I said, the world is public nd should have 1 dude in it lmao

[covert linden]

Cassss

[rigid crescent]

Both of those lag hardcore compared to just streaming it in vr

Or in general

Movies should only desync when the host has doodoo internet.

[floral meadow]

Is it normal when I click Steam to log in, nothing at all happens?

it doesn't even go any further just sitting there.

[vocal shard]

Restart your router and clear your cache

[floral meadow]

router restarted already

and i had cleared my cache twice

[vocal shard]

Try using a vpn and change your dns

[floral meadow]

Should I also change IPv6 DNS or just do IPv4?

I don't believe it is an internet issue

I click on it, and it doesn't go on to the next thing.

It doesn't register that I've clicked the Steam button

It sits there likfe if I haven't clicked it before at all

it lets me login via vrchat, and i can get in, but it just won't register that i've clicked the steam button

If someone from the VRChat team would help me that'd be great.

I don't know if it's a Unity Engine issue or not.

[covert linden]

u contact the vrchat team via email not discord...

[floral meadow]

Well then it's pointless for them to be in this server isn't it then

[covert linden]

for formal issues you do it via email, they are working on uh whats it called.. making the game

[floral meadow]

It's still in beta?

[covert linden]

doesnt mean theyre not making the game..?

[floral meadow]

Nevermind nevermind

It's clear that live support isn't avaliable i'll contact them via Email.

[vocal shard]

It's going to be in beta for the foreseeable future

[floral meadow]

But it's strange.

Why would the Steam button all the sudden stop working

[covert linden]

what game has live support

Proper support is done via email. If you want staff support, you do it via email because its formal, and because there are people paid, to help you, via email. The people who are on the corner, are busy people and are making the game, in charge of emails,and the canny.

[floral meadow]

okay enough i said nevermind!

[covert linden]

[floral meadow]

jesus christ.

[covert linden]

lol chill man

[floral meadow]

i'm sorry, my anger issues get in the way sometimes...

i get a little bit defensive sometimes

sometimes way too much

i apologize

I just wish I could click the Steam button and log in.

But it just sits there like a dud.

Pointless useless button

[vocal shard]

Why not make a vrchat account and see if you can log in that way

[umbral reef]

Can also be steam dropping the ball again

[floral meadow]

alright i guess it's time to go back to my vrchat account then.

What do you mean "dropping the ball" I don't understand that phrase.

[covert linden]

steam almost has more issues than discord at this point

the amount of times it goes down smh

[floral meadow]

What's causing to go down so much now?

[covert linden]

idfk

[floral meadow]

Huh.

[coarse rock]

lol

[floral meadow]

Well then I guess I'm going to contact Steam

[covert linden]

itll go back up.. just.. try a vrc account and see if that works

[floral meadow]

It's not that I'm waiting on anything to work, I'm not given an error. There is no server issue. The literal button in the game just doesn't work. So it shouldn't have anything to with Steam being down, VRChat would have tried anyways and result in failure.

So it has to be either user(me)-error or it has to be a problem with Unity.

Because the literal button itself on the menu, doesn't register that I've clicked it.

[covert linden]

Point is, its useless to just email, if you havent tried other ways around it, gotta see if its just steam not connecting to vrc as it should or just vrc pulling the old nothing works etc

[floral meadow]

I've just been launching it from the Desktop.

What if I launch it from Steam itself?

or Run it in compatibility mode

[covert linden]

facedesk

[floral meadow]

Don't be facedesking at my wonderous oppurtunities. I'm just testing each and every variable.

If I just keep launching and quitting without changing things, I would be considered insane.

[covert linden]

its just like what im saying is going in one ear out the other lol

[floral meadow]

No it doesn't I am reading what you say.

[vocal shard]

Well. Hopefully that gets solved soon. Then they'll add the two factor identification and you'll need to log in every time anyway

I'm just kidding btw. I don't know how the 2 factor will work

[cinder wasp]

Good day to all, how are you doing?

[vocal shard]

Good you?

[floral meadow]

I don't like how Steam shorcuts to a game via Steam protocol instead of just directly linking to the application.

Then again I guess it is to connect Steam to it, but shouldn't there be 2 options, via Steam and Not via Steam?

[vocal shard]

There's steam and oculus

[covert linden]

doesnt the oculus desktop client not let you use gestures

or was that fixed

[inner cape]

never heard of that
works just fine

[covert linden]

because that was definately an issue at release, where the gestures in desktop werent possible at all, they werent set up.

[floral meadow]

dang it i forgot Unity quit support for XP.

All I can run it in is Windows Vista compatibility mode.

[covert linden]

If it works fine now thats cool but it was definately an issue at the start

[inner cape]

that must have been long ago, at release, yeah

[vocal shard]

No idea. But really, the game is centred around VR. So they used to have a separate stand alone client, but since steamvr is needed for most VR players, it makes sense to just have it on steam

[covert linden]

yeah it was at release

[floral meadow]

I wonder if anyone plays VRChat on an actual Vista machine....

[covert linden]

I doubt it

the whole vrchat can run on super low end systems is a myth

[floral meadow]

Vista doesn't have to be a low end machine.

Since Windows Vista is a NT6.0 OS, you can run it on fairly high-end modern machines.

Driver compatibility and whatnot is still a bit of a high number for Vista.

[covert linden]

if you just mean the OS I dont really think so considering its not even supported on anything but windows 10 (Video players will crash anyone who isnt windows 10) but idk guess its a possibility

[floral meadow]

I'm using WIndows 7 right now though.

[covert linden]

Itll work but video players will either not work or crash you most of the time, not all

[floral meadow]

What Video players?

[covert linden]

ones in vrchat

[floral meadow]

OH

Those work for me too.

[covert linden]

some will, a lot wont.

A lot use a certain driver that is only available on windows 10

[floral meadow]

Huh I've been very lucky then.

[covert linden]

Yeah :P

[floral meadow]

Since Windows 8.1 is in between 7 and 10, do you think more video players would work on 8.1 than 7?

[covert linden]

Nope, itll be the same as 7 as far as im aware

[floral meadow]

Huh.

[covert linden]

https://steamcommunity.com/app/438100/discussions/5/1744482417427777416/
last 3 comments on this ^

video players with that, are windows 10 exclusive

if you move to 8.1, that may increase your chances of having them crash you oppose to just not hearing the audio, but im not 100%

[floral meadow]

They did try unmuting the video right?

via the little checkmark?

[covert linden]

its a windows issue, not an unmuting issue. Its incompatible with windows 7, not all of them but a lot.

[floral meadow]

Huh.

[covert linden]

Its literally incompatible drivers, the drivers that windows 10 uses are what vrchat uses to play videos, unmuting a video wont do anything if the OS cant recieve it properly

[floral meadow]

...? Just for VR mode or does this happen on Desktop Mode too?

[covert linden]

both

[floral meadow]

...

[covert linden]

its a well known vrchat problem but theres not much to do when both windows 7 and windows 8, are either unsupported or about to be unsupported

[floral meadow]

Then it couldn't nessecarily be a driver issue, just a component issue.

[covert linden]

Yeah my wording is wrong there

[floral meadow]

Well if it is a .DLL issue then just be crazy and copy all of the Windows 10 DLLs to Windows 7

Just don't replace any

lol. that's really bad advice.

[covert linden]

I just use windows 10 lool

[floral meadow]

Some newer DLLs from Windows 8.1 and up do work on Windows 7, as far as I've tested it.

It's just a matter of patching and testing.

And Reinstalling Windows a million times over.

[covert linden]

I mean or just get windows 10

[floral meadow]

I don't think I like Windows 10 though.

[covert linden]

ive got no issue with it, Id rather use it than an unsupported OS

[floral meadow]

It's not, as comfortable as Windows 7 is to me.

[sturdy flint]

Are worlds persistant?

[floral meadow]

The 3 OSes I've ever been "at home" with is XP, Vista, and 7.

[covert linden]

I just upgrade to whatever windows asks me to

[floral meadow]

Well you are just blindly following rules.

[covert linden]

well I dont wanna be using unsupported things just cuz I like em better :P

[floral meadow]

Well Imma keep Windows 7 until it's absolutely nessecary to upgrade to Windows 10

[rough pulsar]

You've got until january next year before they stop security updates to 7. Any use after that it better be air-gapped or good luck

[umbral reef]

So like months ago?
As there are heaps of exploits with windows 7 and more being found daily by now...
And soon (start of 2020) it will not at all be supported anymore

[floral meadow]

I'm just not going to let go of it.

I'm really stubborn to when it comes to these things.

Unfourtantely.... I don't believe I'm leaving it anytime soon, not even after Windows 8.1 loses extended support.

[umbral reef]

You do realize your putting all your files, your whole network at risk while also being unsported by more and more platforms just because you dont want to upgrade an OS while you can make that OS visually the same?

[covert linden]

Yikes.

[floral meadow]

Well I mean that is to say if you don't have common sense.

[sweet nebula]

Counterargument: go GNU/Linux instead. Its made tremendous improvements in regards to its viability as a gaming platform over the past few years, and runs the vast majority of Windows titles just fine. I play VRChat on it without issue and I'll be running my Index on it this fall.

[covert linden]

"I dont care if my entire system gets hacked or im at a stronger risk cuz it looks nice ^-^"

[floral meadow]

I don't really like Linux.

[rough pulsar]

I mean, keep using windows 7 if that's what you want to do. Just don't expect people t help with issues beyond answering "update your OS"

[sweet nebula]

Win7 will still work normally for basic stuff, but yeah, gaming on it is a no-go come 2020. Tis dead

[floral meadow]

Oh well.

I'll die right along with 7

[covert linden]

I mean if youre also putting yourself at risk that isnt good..

[floral meadow]

no i'm kidding i'm not that stupid.

[covert linden]

I dont know why anyone would want to put their system at a higher risk

[floral meadow]

But I'm not going to be at risk if I'm careful and have secure software.

[covert linden]

windows 7 isnt secure thoo

[vocal shard]

Let him keep his dead os and have his stuff be at risk

[floral meadow]

...

[sweet nebula]

Personally, I don't like Windows 10 either. You can make Linux look exactly like Windows 7. I just installed Debian Stable for my grandparent a few days ago with a Win 7 skin. They love it. Might be a viable path for you

[covert linden]

Mmm I do love the sweet smell of ransomeware

[umbral reef]

@sweet nebula Youi can also make windows 10 look like 7 ...

[floral meadow]

Alright now I feel judged for using a 10 year old OS.

[vocal shard]

You kinda should

[floral meadow]

Why?!

[covert linden]

its risky

[vocal shard]

It's not safe

[floral meadow]

It can be made safe though!

[rough pulsar]

Well you kinda should be. Unless you have some weird stuff specifically made for win7 APIs there's no real reason to hang onto it.

[umbral reef]

Because even with a virus scanner or any fake safety option like that its not secure at all.

[sweet nebula]

Not easily you can't. The theme varies by update number and can break the entire OS on update. Its a headache, and too risky. Ive tried UXTheme patches and Windowblinds. Neither are elegant solutions.

[umbral reef]

The building blocks of the OS are extremely bad.
They solves most with 8.1 and redid it right with 10.
There is a reason why all those bad hacker things have been for windows 7 and down.

[floral meadow]

Hell I have XP as a secondary OS on another hard drive, and I've been able to avoid viruses and ransomware.

[covert linden]

for now

[floral meadow]

I'm using a fairly modern laptop, that shouldn't support XP at all and drivers have come around.

[covert linden]

Isnt there like no way to rid of ransomware as well.. like byebye system? (thinking of more on the bad end lol)

[floral meadow]

No there is a way to get rid of ransomware without paying

[covert linden]

uh no Ive been told even if you pay, you cant restore what they did or what happened.

[umbral reef]

But this isnt VRC related at all anymore
You got your support question, play on supported OS or be SOL
Applies for bugs also

[sweet nebula]

You can use 7 or XP if you want, but the reason why people frown upon it is because it introduces security risks not only to you, but to other machines on your network. Its a lose/lose overall. Additionally, its impossible to support you if you run into issues in lieu of EOL in terms of security updates

If you want to use it to browse the web, etc, its fine, but you will be at risk

[floral meadow]

But I shouldn't be judged for asserting what OS i will use despite risk,

[vocal shard]

It just makes you thick headed

[floral meadow]

I find Windows 7 much easier to use than Windows 10.

[sweet nebula]

May I ask though, what sparked this conversation? Just curious

[vocal shard]

What about it makes it easier

[sweet nebula]

VRC not working on 7?

[floral meadow]

No VRC works on it, just Video players don't.

Some of them do, but not all of them.

[sweet nebula]

Ah, I see. Crashes the game?

[floral meadow]

Possibly

[sweet nebula]

Does that on Linux too

[floral meadow]

I haven't experienced it.

[sweet nebula]

You'll have to live without the video players

Thats what I do

[floral meadow]

I don't care for video players though.

[polar crown]

is there like a specific support channel?

[vocal shard]

User support

[covert linden]

#user-support-old

[rough pulsar]

#user-support-old

[sweet nebula]

So, are you concerned that your game might crash? Is that the issue?

You can stop it from doing that

[floral meadow]

I've just been pissed that for some reason if I click on the Steam button in VRChat to log in, it doesn't register the click.

That's the entire reason I got onto this server.

[vocal shard]

Anyone know where i can find people to say "Your a Dead Meme?" Im trying to find some sound bites for my next Knuckles Avatar; it's a PSA Knuckles to inform people we need to stop the Bullying and the Anti-Knuckles Discrimination.

Im searching for Sound bites for my next art yet Public-Service-Address

[floral meadow]

Am I not the only one with the clicking button does nothing issue?

It did it with the in-game menu too.

[sweet nebula]

I've had it happen on 10, but its rare

It might not be your OS

[covert linden]

nah if you cant click anything then its an issue ive heard a lot about lately

[floral meadow]

Well what'd you do to fix it?

[sweet nebula]

Nothing

[floral meadow]

...Shit

[sweet nebula]

Just try again later

[floral meadow]

Well it's been testing my patience since i've waited like 5 days

[sweet nebula]

I couldnt play for weeks after the IK update in May. Its mostly fixed now. Just gotta wait it out

[covert linden]

make a canny or somefin

[sweet nebula]

Keep trying every day. Thats what I did

Also yeah, canny and support email

[floral meadow]

What if I just restart Windows

I haven't done it in quite a while.

[sweet nebula]

I mean, maybe. But it sounds more of a network thing on their end

Worth a shot I suppose

[floral meadow]

It's not network though.

For me it isn't

[covert linden]

its a bug that appeared after the last update, from what ive seen. As we said make a canny and contact support

[floral meadow]

what the hell is a canny

[rough pulsar]

vrc's public issue tracking system

[covert linden]

https://vrchat.canny.io/bug-reports

[sweet nebula]

I was wrong, oops

[floral meadow]

i'm not gonna do it, i'm just going to login with VRChat-only accounts.

i hope it resolves itself.

[sweet nebula]

They wont readd local IK

[covert linden]

@fringe stirrup well the waanna fix the networked ik issue, but no were not going back to local ;;

[sweet nebula]

Quest can't handle that. Though, even without Quest, the plan was always to go networked in the long run

That being said, I got on last night and the networked IK looked much better

That wouldnt work, as it wouldn't be compatible with the other system

[floral meadow]

imma restart the OS

[sweet nebula]

They've announced no plans for local IK to return

[floral meadow]

Oh no!

Windows Update has trapped me!

[sweet nebula]

The new system sends animation data as opposed to joints to calculate from, if what I heard is correct

[covert linden]

they wont do a toggle for it.

[sweet nebula]

Youd have nothing to locally calculate

[covert linden]

I made a canny on it ages ago ;;

[sweet nebula]

I do agree that server IK was a nightmare

Its still not as good as local

We're stuck with it though, sadly

[umbral reef]

They are fixing/making it better
But with how networking works it will never be the same

[covert linden]

its not as simple as that

There ARE vrc alternates, none that can even compete. Vrc has many investors, another game wont be just made because the networked ik is annoying. Making a big popular game with user-uploaded content and vr isnt easy

I dont think itll get worse, theyre working on making it better...

[vocal shard]

The game had investors a couple years ago though

[sweet nebula]

It'd have to be a heck of a game to replace VRC. I haven't been this invested in a game in a very long time, aside from maybe Smash Bros.

Sometimes I wonder how VRC keeps the lights on, to be honest. Similar projects are struggling, and we currently have no way to pay in to the system

Oculus bought in too? I thought it was HTC

But still, those were one time contributions IIRC

[umbral reef]

I really dont

[sweet nebula]

I'm not so sure. The Quest allows them to tap a tremendous new userbase

That alone seems incentive enough

Its the lack of monetization that puzzles me

[umbral reef]

You get to jump on the new headset with a totally new target group from normal VR

[sweet nebula]

I hope we aren't suckerpunched by a new F2P model at some point

[umbral reef]

Would be an insane risk to not atleast try to jump onto the quest

[sweet nebula]

I would imagine they'd begin charging for storage space, or per world/avatar uploads

[inner cape]

vr companies fund game devs to make vr games and content
it's not new, its been known and has been happening for many projects, including vrc

[umbral reef]

Oculus payed no one else so far we know

So doubt VRchat is special compared to other titles

[inner cape]

it's in their interest to sponsor game devs

[sweet nebula]

VR companies fund the development of VR games, but they do not fund the maintenance of an infrastructure. VRC is an online game, essentially an MMO

I can't imagine Oculus or HTC doling out rucurring payments to VRC without the promise of exclusivity

From what I've heard, this has been discussed in one of their dev updates

[inner cape]

bruh

[umbral reef]

Sounds like a dmca and lawsuite hell

[sweet nebula]

Some form of monetization is coming, IIRC, but the scope of it is still up in the air

[inner cape]

do you realise how much content on vrchat is stolen

[vocal shard]

Avatars would need to be made from scratch. Current mmd avatars would not be able to do that

[sweet nebula]

Also yeah, monetizing copyrighted avatars would be problematic

The one thing that would spell near death for VRC, I think, is copyright enforcement

Take my Nanachi from me and I'm gonna be upset

[vocal shard]

Does anyone have any Knuckles Art? DMS if you wish to have your Artwork/Screenshot/Music/Sculptures in my Knuckles World. I am going to start woring on it now. I am not in a good mood to make Avatars

[covert linden]

arent they working on spending money through vrchat.. they mentioned it in their stream..

[vocal shard]

We need about 100 pieces of art work

They said something about inventories, pets, saving between worlds. Maybe monetize that somehow

to compliment 100 Avatars

[sweet nebula]

pets

Thatll me interesting

[umbral reef]

follower ik

[sweet nebula]

I have nothing to offer regarding Knuckles. Sorry

[vocal shard]

I rather has some artists on here.

Else I am going to upload the world public and have a bunch of canvases saying "Your Art work here Contact.. so and so"

[covert linden]

your best to.. pay.. for that

[inner cape]

any form of monetization in vrc will be received negatively by the community, especially with how the development of the game have been going

[vocal shard]

But this is Community

I can make 100 pieces of Knuckles Art; but then it's not Community Based; it's Nonskiller Based.

It'll take me 100 hours to make 100 pieces of art.

[covert linden]

But its art, and art is work and thus work should be paid for.

[vocal shard]

My art is free

[covert linden]

Art is work.

People spend hours to do art, they take it seriously, youre not gonna get good art if youre expecting it for free.

[vocal shard]

In the Real World based off my perspective = Art is not work; Diversity/Gender is work

It's unfortuante; you gotta be an Old man or Diverse or of a Culture to have work

That is why I classify myself as Nonskilled until they acknowledge the Outcasts like me >:c

Anyway my art is free lol

When you're an artist and people ask you to do free art for them. "It's so easy and quick. You have to do it for me"

No. I don't use free apps.

[covert linden]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Filmmakers/comments/50c0o6/some_people_expect_artists_to_be_paid_in_exposure/
You should always pay artists. They take time in their work. Youre paying for their years of studying, for the time they spend for you.

[vocal shard]

If you're generous enough to do free art, thats great. But too many people feel it's an obligation

[inner cape]

didnt he's say if you want anything featured, send it over
if not, then just ignore, hes not asking for free drawings and etc

[covert linden]

then he can google 'uganda knuckles art"

[vocal shard]

That's called stealing without permission

[covert linden]

You can credit, and ask the artists

[inner cape]

well, it shouldn't hurt to ask, maybe someone would have liked to share their stuff

[vocal shard]

I can ask but they might be dead on the internet

[covert linden]

then draw it yourself and dont ask for poeple to do it for you, without wanting to pay in return, especially 100 pieces, youll find one person at most likely who is willing to do one lol

[inner cape]

rea you're completely missing my point again

[vocal shard]

But it's for the Community; you've all asked for a Knuckles World

And the community needs to put their art in the world.

(Nobody asked for the world)

[frosty bronze]

is vrchat available for the oculus quest?

[covert linden]

yes

[frosty bronze]

ok

[inner cape]

we all wish, mander, we wish

dunno

people use nolo for that

[tribal oxide]

Confused noises

[vocal shard]

You know how people have their avatars with the "____ entered the lobby?" -- I think I found my song whenever I enter

[inner cape]

okay that's cancer

[vocal shard]

"Nonskiller has entered the Lobby" -- VoiceOverPete says Nonskiller has entered the Lobby

I even got the recording of it lol

[rigid crescent]

more like "nonskiller has been blocked by the entire lobby"

[vocal shard]

I didn't pay for it he said via stream

[inner cape]

💤

[vocal shard]

But the song is.. "Can I exist?"

[rigid crescent]

or worse banned for it lol

[inner cape]

I'd say you cant

[vocal shard]

;c

yeah those sfx are extremely annoying

i immediately hide the avatar if not block them right on the spot

(because of the 99% chance that their avatar is also extremely unoptimized, ugly, uses tons of particles, annoying screen-shake shaders, etc....)

I remember I did a Free Wedding; we provided Drone; 6 cameras; lighting, etc, etc. -- It's weird doing things for free; after that.. I kind of got tired of doing free stuff becuase I made it a free wedding to train people -.-

but it was mostly me

[floral meadow]

holy fuckin shit rebooting worked

wowie

imagine that

i love how discord shakes when you try to chat while the timer is counting

it's funny

[vocal shard]

Some serious stuff on VRChat.. ._. very depressing hope she is okay

This is why we need to make the Knuckles to show people umm.. everyone should be treated with care and we are human

[tribal oxide]

You should have a chat with a lovely group of people who love to walk around and call people racial slurs

[covert gate]

im new here but where can you find peopleto play with

[vocal shard]

In game

I don't like talking on VRChat (Maybe in two months); I just came back last month -- it takes me a month or two to get use to the environement

[velvet gull]

Toxic Players: DDoS innocent people, rip models, harass other users

Moderation team:

Xigneon: uploads videos of people dancing

Moderation team: “I’m boutta end this mans whole career”

[vocal shard]

Sad but true

[velvet gull]

Indeed

We live in sad times

[ruby needle]

This thing has been here enogh now.
It doesn't matter who violates the rules in what way, and for your specific example it's easy to punish a person that is not a random account and comes back seconds after.
Please move on from the topic, thanks.

[velvet gull]

There are plenty of people who partake in the activities I mentioned that roam the community for extended periods of time, and there are also ways to get rid of them, but nothing seems to happen.

And it sucks because it happens so frequently to the point that it drives people away.

Can’t even begin to count the amount of times I’ve been booted by a 12 year old with a network stresser.

[vestal pier]

the toxic people you mention will make new accounts, and i suspect they are waiting on a ban wave because of 2FA

which would be effective me thinks

[velvet gull]

People would still find a way around it

[vestal pier]

With effort anyone will 😅

[velvet gull]

Then we’re the ones that get banned for using anti crash

[vocal shard]

That sounds like my Life; we innocent people turn into Nonskillers, we are cursed.

[vestal pier]

i legit dont know where you fellas hang about to get crashed so often

[velvet gull]

Go to literally any public world

[vestal pier]

i doo

[velvet gull]

Full of ripped models and client users flying about with earrape avatars

[vestal pier]

so block avatar sounds my guy

[velvet gull]

I don’t even bother reporting people anymore because nothing comes of it

[vocal shard]

I got DDos many times rip me

[ruby needle]

you gotta provide sufficent and clear prove

[vocal shard]

@vocal shard use a vpn

[velvet gull]

I could give the guys geolocation and backtrace the incoming packets and I guarantee nothing would come of it

[vestal pier]

i usually just send a video and that works

but yea that sounds overkill

[ruby needle]

DDOS is something you should start a legal investigation against said people

that is anything but a joke

[vestal pier]

uh

[velvet gull]

I’m not gonna sit there with OBS or shadowplay open 24/7, the game uses enough CPU as is

[vestal pier]

shadowplay is gpu, haha 😅

[vocal shard]

They will never steal my avatars .. i have 100 Knuckles; 150 RS Knuckles and 100 bunch of Random ones

[vestal pier]

and the perf impact is minimal at best

[vocal shard]

Soon, I will have 100 Kermits

[ruby needle]

or you have a second PC and literally record lossless 👀

[vestal pier]

again, overkill.

[velvet gull]

invest in 2nd pc to record cheaters that should’ve been banned in the first place

Logic

[vocal shard]

I got a question... is it possiblle... to 3D Scan digitally?

For example; I take 100 screenshots of VRChat

in 100 angles.. can I 3D scan

[ruby needle]

you can do photogrametry with screenshots theoretically

[vestal pier]

i mean they also recommended literally suing them too

[vocal shard]

We should do it and then you can claim it as yours

it not stealing if you scanned it

[vestal pier]

it is

[vocal shard]

But you 3D scanned it

[vestal pier]

ok?

[vocal shard]

so it's original

[vestal pier]

if you completely remade a character from scratch its still not yours

you own the mesh but not the character

still ip theft my guy

[vocal shard]

it can't be IP theft it's 100 screen shots

[velvet gull]

That’s like saying I own the rights to Michael Jackson Thriller because I recorded it on my Nokia flip phone...

[vestal pier]

it literally can lmao

[vocal shard]

Yo Nokia was my shii

[vestal pier]

you dont own the right to a song because you recorded it

[velvet gull]

Dude, it was sarcasm

Read it properly