Anyone else having lower fps since network IK update weeks ago? :>
#vrchat-general-2
heavy dawn
sees better FPS
ruby needle
Do not ping admins for non urgend matters, especially if you're using a not officially supported solution and have issues with that.
boreal kelp
I was wondering what that Discord notification was
meager solstice
Check announcements
boreal kelp
I did that earlier.
vale palm
Well I see worse lilith :> then again I have an i7 8700k the network IK update is better for cpu which I didnt struggle with. however mirrors are more GPU so something must have happened
boreal kelp
Unless I got a notification elsewhere
meager solstice
@boreal kelp if ur on desktop u can push the @ symbol in the top right to see all the times u were pinged
covert chasm
@ivory frost Unfortunately we don't support running VRChat in that manner, apologies! (assuming you mean running PC VRChat on your Quest via ALVR or other similar solutions)
ivory frost
@covert chasm I understand that. I am not needing anything special just an understanding of how to bind gestures with touch seen as touch and not Vive. Otherwise I guess if I figure out cords and invest a little time creating simulated actions for every trackpad position I can accomplish touch gestures that way.
@covert chasm Prior to the update it worked perfect with Default Touch bindings and the update affected it. I don't know how they had it working. Hopefully Rift and Rift S are still working.
in steam VR
sharp spruce
Ugh, I'm so sick of these WMR controllers. They have this overshoot/shake thing as a result of the accelerometer and it drives me nuts.
ivory frost
I just saw the warning from the bot. My apologies. I didn't know.
slate verge
omg look at the server icon its in gif
north rock
Kek, Paul got called a bot
desert stratus
paul is bot
ruby needle
FeelsBotMan
vocal shard
That why he's so fast to moderate. He's been a bot the whole time! 
uncut trail
What did they break this time
umbral reef
Arent all chatmods bots?
slate verge
@vocal shard so you're right apparently with vive + knuckles controllers are going to be great
lunar shell
Can't wait to ditch the Vive wands!
ornate obsidian
hi umm i got a really wierd isssssue
the game sems to think im hacking cause every 5 minutes of being in the great pug i get kicked for suspicious client or something like that
inner cape
i dont think it will kick you and say youre using a suspicious client lmao
its a bannable offense after all
umbral reef
Reinstall the game
ornate obsidian
i said something like thata something about the client @inner cape
ornate obsidian
i think it was cliet behavior
also im using a virtual keyboard in vr so typing is more annoying
xd
tacit plank
How do you manage?
I tried that myself, but the default Windows one refuses to recognize key presses
lethal niche
wear sonk drink conk
valid sandal
Why is it when they update something it breaks 10 other things
queen mango
How come, exactly?
vocal shard
Cause that hasn't been said before @valid sandal
Why not explain what's broken so that it's easier for devs to find and fix
valid sandal
Nvm i managed to fix what was wrong
vocal shard
Glad you were able to fix those 10 other things as well
magic agate
Has anyone else been having an issue with their Oculus Rift after this update? I usually run the game with Open Composite, but after this update, i can’t boot VRChat with it anymore. So now that I’m using the Oculus version of the game, I’ll lose control of my controller for a few seconds before the headset reboots. Was playing just fine last night and earlier today. This all started happening after the update.
meager solstice
any particular reason u were using open composite before hand? like were u doing oculus with full body?
magic agate
I only used it to help with performance
meager solstice
i havent had any problems with the oculus version
desert stratus
performance? oculus software has been the best performing VR software for a while, or at leasr until valve can iron out SteamVR for index
i dont get why you dont just play vrchat thru oculus store instead of steamvr when u already have a rift
magic agate
That’s not really the issue here.
meager solstice
i mean i havent had an issues going through oculus
played a bit earlier and it seemed fine
magic agate
I’m just trying to find out whether or not the issue is the hardware itself or if other people have been experiencing similar issues with this update
I’ll keep fiddling around with stuff, then. Thanks for the info, Wigma
alpine crater
If you're using a Rift, going through SteamVR seems to lead to worse performance for some people since presumably it's loading both sets of VR resources
vast tulip
Am robit
ruby needle
Quick @queen mango help me catch the robit.
queen mango
Gah. No net!
vocal shard
ruby needle
umbral reef
Im a robbit profesional
All you need to catch them is a big net and a really fast human that can also throw nets well
queen mango
umbral reef
Ow a big bag also works
queen mango
I didn't know this would be hunting season
vast tulip
Beep boop
quaint solar
So I keep being redirected to a room with like 1/20 when they are plenty of slots open on others on quest
cinder wasp
Good day to all, how are you?!
mortal patrol
hello
vocal shard
I can’t see anyone when I join people or even when i go to public lobbies, it says I’m the only one in the world but then tells me my friends are in there.
@covert chasm
wow
That's a good idea
I really don’t want to be alone right now so I’m sorry if I’m desperate
Try going outside and talking to irl friends it'll help with being alone
If I had any. That would be great. Why do you have to be rude?
I'm just trying to give advice
umbral reef
What is your build number when you open the menu?
vocal shard
772 I updated it and everything messed up
umbral reef
You need build 791
vocal shard
There’s no available update on steam
umbral reef
Restart steam
vocal shard
Okaythank you
slate verge
love the clear cache setting sooo much
vocal shard
it wont update @umbral reef
umbral reef
Can try uninstalling the game and reinstalling it
As its easier then me explaining how to get steam to check the game again
boreal kelp
I went into Great Pug alone and explored around a bit and got up onto the little stage on second floor.
I thought I was able to sing Fly Me to The Moon well but damn my voice sounded rusty and terrible
vocal shard
slate verge
mortal patrol
fathom swan
slate verge
it is certainly an odd experience in the pug
white cairn
desert stratus
remember the pug puzzle in the basement and how it was mysterious and dreamy and felt like an acid trip?
thats pretty much what the nnormal fuccking pug is like
queen mango
Most of the time, except.. there can be some nasties sometimes.
queen mango
Yep.. not just the avatars themselves, but the behavior of some people..
slate verge
true true
languid beacon
woah, server icon moving
slate verge
yeah i know right
queen mango
I'm curious.. what is happening in your screen?
slate verge
the vrchat logo twists and then it shows the server thumbail in the middle and repeats
languid beacon
Can only nitro users see it or something? My friend couldn't see it
queen mango
I can't see it from mobile. Does Mobile ever get love from the Discord team these days? Everyone uses it when their PC is out
languid beacon
Oh, sec then
slate verge
right now i can't see for some reason it stopped. But i definitely can remember it.
languid beacon
sharex ruined the smoothness, but https://i.imgur.com/vvE36S2.gifv
queen mango
Ah.. so that's how it looks like.
desert stratus
lowkey reminds me of the boneworks logo at the end of the trailer
where they zoom out and it pops ut of thee skull's eye
holy shit boneworks hype. Looks like a winner alone, and a potential contender for best vr game if it werent for valve's upcoming flagship
queen mango
Can't ping admins for that, @weak swan
desert stratus
ehh dont ping devs unless its emergency
use the email
or of its something that doesnt need to be solved by a dev
just ask here
queen mango
Moderation issue? Avatar issue?
desert stratus
and there she goes...
slate verge
it could be better though, the server icon gif
desert stratus
off to another land
glad hollow
I got banned for something I didn't do ?
ruby needle
You sure you didn't?
Open a Ticket here: http://help.vrchat.com/new
vocal shard
Couple photos eww stinky
slate verge
do you guys know if the "New" worlds listing is different for everyone? cuz i swear it is.
slate verge
i was looking at a streamer's New worlds listing and its different from mine.
vocal shard
Just don't look at mine
queen mango
But the love is in the air for them
desert stratus
im not gonna gouge out my eyes
vocal shard
Not the only thing in the air
desert stratus
shh
vocal shard
🍆
fathom swan
Chemtrails in the air
desert stratus
sss is the gubberment! theyre trying to control us! /s
theyre trying to make us lick each other in vr and use couple pics as pfps
boreal kelp
I remember when the Great Pug had an upstairs bedroom. Looked like access to it was barred at some point.
desert stratus
upstairs bedroom?
u. talking about the roost? always been a thing and still is
unless ur talking about pug west
boreal kelp
I know there's a bar upstairs but I think there was a hidden bedroom with a fireplace
quick kayak
How's the new patch?
frigid imp
i see it
covert linden
@boreal kelp its not hidden.. its top floor lol
coarse rock
^
vocal shard
anyone else having long load times
paper field
@uncut gorge Hey, you back from work?
slate verge
finally found the avatar i want. Ughh. 4 hours with no information except it was just mentioned as a "new" world.
tribal oxide
UwU
foggy fog
just downloading unity is giving me a str0k3
brittle fern
Hows the IK now
vocal shard
IK is still same lag
they seriously should return to the old way
the delays are horrible still
Not possible
sage zenith
Is there something going on with vrchat
vocal shard
What is it
sage zenith
I can't get into game at all
vocal shard
Go to #user-support-old
its possible
did a horror map
my friend got jump scared. still 3-4 second delay
I said it's not possible to go to the old way
Not that network lag isn't happening it definitely is
hushed drum
So I have a friend that has a problem with vrc when ever she starts up her vrc her base station shut off by themselves and its only when she starts to play vrc does anyone know why?
fathom swan
Try to get her to update her base stations
Usually whenever I’ve run into problems with vrc so far I update whatever I can and it usually fixes it
rough flax
rip vrc
covert linden
theyre not gonna do it.
slate verge
right
rigid crescent
its not lol the quest couldnt function nearly as well
vocal shard
they wont true
Remember mobile gaming was always a disease for PC gaming
same with quest and PC vr
lunar shell
Damn. Actually thought it would be better.
vernal forge
Is it safe to use the clear cache function in game ?
covert linden
yes obviously
vernal forge
Ah okay , just being careful i dont rekt myself
frank lantern
slate verge
@vernal forge yeah its one of the new features now, very useful
mortal patrol
hello freshy
pseudo bobcat
stable pilot
Haven't had time to jump on, did the latest update help with the IK?
lunar shell
Some people said it didn't.
kindred briar
it did not. not for me at least 😔
plush osprey
that wonderful timing out load loop is back, it got an upgrade too
what great patch
havent been able to load into any other world except my designated home world this time, can't join any of my friends now
slow clap
kindred briar
never had loadloop. clean ur cache.
plush osprey
its fine that they're trying to get it to run smoothly on Oculus Quest but its messing with the Oculus Rift client something fierce
and tried that
plush osprey
never suggest that again... lol no i havent tried that. i would try it but my headset mic has feedback where other people can hear themselves through me, thats great too
holy, i got into a different world
kindred briar
so you can join worlds in desktop . hmm
plush osprey
no, im not in desktop
plush osprey
yea
kindred briar
you already had googles or cloudflares dns right?
kindred briar
oh. it sometimes helps for people to join worlds with a more reliable dns. since the ones of your isp a normally quite bad.
plush osprey
like mediacoms dns?
kindred briar
👀 idk that internet company. but you can try it with this guide.https://developers.google.com/speed/public-dns/docs/using
if it doesnt work or you dont like it you can always revert it back to mediacoms dns
plush osprey
do i change it on my pc or my router?
kindred briar
your pc
plush osprey
alright, i should be on a different dns now
kindred briar
well fingers crossed that it fixes the issue. :/
bold dagger
still chil
tropic iris
oh
mortal patrol
vernal forge
doesnt it sucks when you see your friend in front of you and you move forward but your friend see that you are still behind and move backward. and it keeps going and going
rotund wren
When you're world hopping and meet someone on your friends list you dont know but you really dont want to conversate
tribal oxide
I feel you
vernal forge
or a mute friend joins in after a long while and speak korean but you dont speak much and definitely not korean
vernal forge
Caeraf is going to leave us hanging like that ?
tribal oxide
Wha
Yeah, last night I was thinking about it, like it was so vivid
I thought I was offered like a free discord nitro boost and got more than expected.
It was a lie
@vernal forge @kindred briar
vernal forge
it was true . . . in dream
tribal oxide
yyyyeah...
kindred briar
:/
tribal oxide
Anyway.
velvet iris
I'm out of the loop. Has there been any big memes since Ugandan knuckles?
pure hemlock
Memes in VRChat? Hah!
covert linden
ricardo
kindred briar
Rea
covert linden
HI
covert linden
ur a meme
vocal shard
near sky
north rock
VRC is a vector for memes, hardly a producer of them
The only one I can think of off the top of my head are about peoples' infatuation with mirrors
And that one is a little too exclusive to VRC to be a conventional meme
torn pelican
You forget the red one. 👀
thick verge
a
tribal oxide
a
uncut trail
So trying to upload an mmd model and MMD4Mechanim seems to not letting me use it
heavy dawn
Drakeos: Ususally this stuff goes in #avatars-2-general but did you try CATS plugin for Blender to import it and prepare the model? That supposedly works on its own.
lilac swan
The author of the MMD4Mechanim has code that specifically targets the VRCSDK. There is a story behind #rules 12
heavy dawn
Oh... is it piracy or something?
lilac swan
The author does not want MMD models, or specifically his asset to be used for importing to VRC.
heavy dawn
Good to know.
Ah, I see. It's freeware but not FOSS and it's a promotional product for Vocaloid.
lilac swan
Honestly it's for the better. MMD models are not set up usually for game engines like unity are more likely than not unoptimized garbage. The CATS tool does a fantastic job at doing an automatic optimization pass on most models
covert linden
@uncut trail TDLR: Youre trying to use a forbidden program to upload a model
desert stratus
yeah mmdmech is literally malware dont use it
uncut trail
Jesus christ sigh
rigid crescent
Are you using an old guide? I wasn't even aware people still considered that lol
It was a dead tool as far back as early last year
covert linden
they prob just didnt wanna optimize and searched extremely hard to find an alt
uncut trail
Bugger someone made model for me and told me to use MMD4Mechanim
covert linden
no idea
eternal tartan
Is there any way to reduce the brightness level in VR?
uncut trail
sigh this model maker didnt use cat plugin and never heard of it
covert linden
Please dont tell me you paid for it
uncut trail
Nope
covert linden
good
lilac swan
Importing MMD models has one of the most, if not the most community documented guides around on youtube or written guides so finding one shouldn't be too much of a issue
Just check when it was made. Guides from 2017 or early 2018 obviously are no good
uncut trail
Yeah he uses MMD4 whatever software
And told him why didn't you use cat's plugin and he replyed what's cat plugin
covert linden
yeah thats a banned software for a reason
lilac swan
That's a huge oof he doesn't even know of it. Sincerely hope he at least manually optimizes his stuff before uploading it
karmic pollen
Hey really dumb question. Last couple times I've played i seem to be accidentally triggering a "safe mode" that seems to block everyone around me.
- How the hell am i doing it?
- How do i disable it(I know how to turn it off once i trigger it, but don't know how to stop it from happening in the first place. )
uncut trail
Bugger i told him to see if he can use cat to fix the problem
karmic pollen
How is it triggered? It seems to be pressing several buttons at once, but I'm not sure what.
covert linden
its shift and escape
rigid crescent
Escape and shift or something
lilac swan
https://docs.vrchat.com/docs/vrchat-0120p13-dont-panic-edition
Panic Button - in the event that unwanted audio or visual spam occurs, or your frame-rate tanks, you can engage in Panic Mode to audio-and-visual mute anybody who isn't your friend.
Desktop: Shift+Esc
Rift: both triggers OR both grips and both menu buttons
Vive: both triggers OR both grips and both menu buttons
Windows Mixed Reality / Other VR: take your plank or pancake or whatever crazy input type you're using and press both triggers OR grips and menu buttons if they exist
XBox Controller: both triggers and back and menu buttons
How did someone make it this far without knowing CATS l
covert linden
He needs Blender, to optimize his avatar, to get cats to IMPORT it, then to export as fbx for unity. then it needs to be rigged in unity.
karmic pollen
Both triggers or both grips, got it
Much obliged 
I knew it was something like that, just wasn't sure exactly.
polar elm
If its done well in blender you shouldn't have to do much in unity
covert linden
DYNB, Shaders, and SDK specficially.
polar elm
Id call that "advanced"
covert linden
thats not advanced at all
advanced is particles and such, special new animations etc
People generally want Dynamic bones, and theyll learn that early. Shaders.. a lot of poeple do right away, its simple as putting it on.. and the sdk is neccisary.
tropic tundra
so like
are there still connection issues,,i keep spiking to major pings and having the hardest time connecting and loading
uncut trail
So there is a work around it
There's a workaround. EXPORT YOUR FBX and textures, pull it out and start a new unity project without MMD4MECH. This method is supported by Ms. Nora in her documentation
lilac swan
I cannot ever recommend using MMD4Mech for vrchat import, as I said before MMD models are not made for game engines in mind and needs to be properly optimized. The asset does none of that (Unless you did it manually, but why bother with the tool then?)
lilac swan
Fair enough, but I strongly suggest you look up the CATS import tool
vocal shard
CATS is a much better method. Mmd models by default have too many bones, usually they have to be renamed and re parented and way to many materials.
uncut trail
He hasn't use Cat's just 3d max and blender
lilac swan
It is a blender plugin
vocal shard
Cats is for blender
earnest vortex
or.... just a thought here guys.... you can actually learn KNOWLEGE
covert linden
well clearly his friend needs to be taught too so thats what theyre kinda working on
uncut trail
True
vocal shard
It turns the old process of re parenting bones manually. Managing materials, translation, ect... A long process into a couple button presses
earnest vortex
it also lets people not understand what is actually going on under neath. if CATS fails to fix. you're at a loss.
covert linden
Cats is wonderful
earnest vortex
knowing how to properly sculpt the blend shapes for visimes so it actually looks like the character is speaking is also wounderful
covert linden
Thats not a skill everyone needs to learn tho
Most people just want a cute model they can be
lilac swan
It's making working in 3D more accessible for people with lower or no skill in blender, which I cannot phantom anyone would think is a bad thing.
idle elm
Here in my garage
earnest vortex
im an animator and a nerd. I'm always willing to push that boundary into the next level what is capable. For me spending 150 hours of labor drawing each frame to a cartoon i release on the internet is no big deal. I view making assets for vrchat the same way and willing to put in the work. I find that fun.
covert linden
I'm also an animator, and a video editor, photographer, etc. but that doesnt mean people who arent interested and just would rather have the end result are less valid. They want a suited character ingame and if its easy awesome.
uncut trail
Jesus i checked how many joints he ahs and over like 255 joints
covert linden
I have enough hobbies and I have enough time put into them to realize that I dont need to work extra hard on something I dont adore, if I dont adore making models and I simply do it to have a ccute one, that is valid.
uncut trail
slap head my friend needs to learn to use cats fast
covert linden
Time becomes a big deal when you do multiple things and have an actual job, its important so I wont spend extra time on something I dont adore.
earnest vortex
im not saying that using Cats isn't valid or anything. it's just not allowing the creator to understand at a deeper level. I personally love rabbit holes of knowlege... in my garage....with my lamborginni...
kowwwllleeeggee....
its a meme
covert linden
They dont need to understand it deeper if they dont want too
lilac swan
The only people CATS would have stopped from learning things on a deeper level are just the ones who never wants to learn it to begin with, so that point is null imo.
It's making things much less intimidating for those who are interested to learn, and they will learn in due time.
north rock
What's this CATS thing y'all speak of?
lilac swan
Blender plugin. Basically contains a lot of tools that are very useful for VRchat avatar import/optimization
Instead of working for an hour you can boil it down to few button presses
north rock
What's wrong with a plugin that streamlines an otherwise total hassle of a process?
lilac swan
The plugin itself is magnificent and done wonders for the community, but it does fail sometimes and knowing how to do things in alternative ways in those cases are useful.
Honestly depends on how far you want to take your 3D knowledge
torn nebula
It would be nice if cats printed a log of exactly what it changed so people could learn from it imo, but that's a pain to implement
north rock
I don't think it would be too hard! It would just be a transliteration of what it actually does, but output in layman's terms
naive agate
announcement:i am changing my icon
rough pulsar
In my opinion, there's nothing wrong with using a tool to automate a process as long as you actually understand what that tool is actually doing.
The problem very obviously arises when people just click buttons and then complain things are broke and don't work because they don't have a clue what's actually being done by the tool.
heavy dawn
Gallium: Sometimes the tool creates a chicken and egg problem where it hides what it is even doing. That's what Atwyxt and bd_ are talking about.
rough pulsar
Yeah, at that point you have to give up and read the code itself, assuming it's available.
tacit plank
Code is generally a mess, there's too much of it
I don't even buy the message that it's useful. If your site has 10MB of scripts for example, you are doing something wrong, and definitely wasting over 90% of whatever functionality you've imported
rough pulsar
As a general rule, yeah. Not that we have a limit, but I'm pretty sure I've cut down on data use since installing noscript.
dry dock
first game since patch and Im getting the loading loop in the default world
it seems as though the loop as not been removed, and now I cant join the presentation room
rough pulsar
Is this a loading loop or a login loop?
near sky
Would clear cache as a first approach, just to be sure there's no solution within that
dry dock
I was able to load into the default world, but now I cant load into the presentation room even after clearing cache
distant breach
Anyone else also getting random lag spikes and forced map reloads after a while?
vocal shard
anyone wanna chill in VRchat
languid beacon
Yeah I didn’t know a scratch of blender or unity when I joined may 2018. If people want others to do everything for them they’ll lose so much potential
I’ll fix stuff for people but try to see if they are interested in watching me do it as well
amber willow
sadsd
coarse anchor
Man love it when VFC crashes not only my GPU driver but also my entire PC forcing a restart
Codespagetti 100
vocal shard
VRC*
rigid crescent
Well at least you properly reported the crash :3
lunar shell
Yup me too. Entire PC but I don't know where to even begin. SteamVR, VRC, GPU, Windows. It could be anything but only happens when running VRC.
north rock
That's probably the last thing I would blame but I guess that is technically, physically possible
covert chasm
instant shutdown with no BSOD/etc is usually something like power (PSU not powerful enough or is faulty) or thermals
very rarely, it is bad hardware
ruby needle
I mean, technically a faulty PSU is bad hardware. 
sharp remnant
Hey, does anyone know darkness, or know as dork/zerofatemotion?
vernal forge
@zerofatemotion
slate verge
if they play vrchat, their names should be in the searchable list
hallow zealot
omg its been a long time since i played vr chat but load times are so bad now
wont even load half my saved avatars to use... lie what happened
like been sitting here for like 8 minutes trying to load a world
vocal shard
how do i check what email my account is registered under
supple sedge
Hello, I'm on PC and I want to take a picture of myself (mirror or not) but is there a way to show the nametag?
On the mirror
stoic halo
only if the mirror has it enabled
slate verge
yep
covert linden
With what
glad hollow
I was banned yesterday for 4 years for something I didn't do it says 4 years but then it says it permanent ban I reported a ticket and haven't gotten a response and idk what to do now
I just have been sitting in private worlds recently too I haven't been going to public worlds either and iv'e never done any of the things listed
vocal shard
4 years means permanent. It can take days for them to get back to you through email since they go though so many. I know it's hard, but if you already sent an email, all that can be done right now is to wait
glad hollow
Okay thank you
vocal shard
Hope things get settled
oblique smelt
Yo does anyone want to play
fleet compass
anyone wanna burn up random peoples oculus quest with terribly optimized avatars
silver magnet
Hello Friends.
covert linden
@fleet compass not possible
rigid crescent
lol someone didnt read the patch notes, what a potato
vocal shard
That's not how the quest works. 🤔
Lol
vocal shard
how do i resolve unusual client behavior?
ive had issues with this all night
dense slate
slate verge
could hit up with #user-support-old or #vrchat-support
vocal shard
How does one join a club?
dusky mesa
vocal shard
Why isn't it taking up 3.5 GB
vocal shard
Memory leak
covert quartz
fun times disconnecting
vocal shard
Glad you're getting the true vrc experience
covert quartz
nah i have 60 fps, I nbeed 5 fps, IK breaks as well
vocal shard
L
covert quartz
? slow mode enable how can i spam
vocal shard
Too many caps probs
trail tangle
TEST
covert quartz
🙂
trail tangle
oof
vocal shard
weird
trail tangle
yep
vocal shard
What'd you do
trail tangle
bunch of a's
vocal shard
Understandable
covert quartz
working as intended
subtle prawn
Pretty much
hybrid rivet
im so bored
magic plank
Is there going to be support for vive pro eye which was just released? Anyone know?
lunar shell
My guess is no.
rotund wren
I dont think people want that in demand as much as people think
lunar shell
At that price no.
rotund wren
Most likely a cash grab gimmick
modern oar
Legit eye tracking sounds like a leap forward in technology
meager solstice
It is, just in my opinion not worth what htc is asking though
covert linden
Well since it for businesses consumers arent even the target for it
also its not even supported yet, not in vrc at least. Id wait to see if it ever is
magic plank
That's why I am asking if there's any planned support for it
If there is ima sa worth especially if the eye tracking translates to my avi
kindred briar
just ask on the htc helpdesk
cuz the pro is mainly for business aspects
didn't they have a consumer vive eye too
magic plank
It's available for consumers to purchase today
1600usd
I need a new hedset
I want to keep my wireless
It's basically the only reasonable upgrade for a vive og imo
my idea is get knuckles controllers, upgrade to vive pro eye
leaves me at best of both worlds get to keep wireless
get foveated rendering and eye tracking inputs
covert linden
@magic plank its nkt a consumer headset.
You can buy it, but its for businesses.
And there likely wont be support for it unless its hiighly demanded and popular like the knuckles
near sky
Wasn't aware the Vive Pro eye existed -but $1600USD is a new kind of ridiculous. Maybe there's cause for it; I would need to look into what it is, specifics. Got me curious for sure.
covert linden
The cause is cuz its meant for a business market : P it comes with big buisness packages
magic plank
I don't care who it's meant for its available for consumer purchase and I want to know if there is any planned support for its features in the game.
i have money so its meant for me
near sky
Business target of the product -ie same justification as Vive Pro
Can't say I'm suprised
near sky
Don't expect much consumer purchase of this; good that it's open regardless
magic plank
problem is all other headsets out right now are garbage or don't have wireless
covert linden
No theres no planned implementation atm no
Because its a business product thats overpriced and only worth it too businesses, so it wont be mainstream and the devs would only be implimenting it for .5% of people
One day if its more common and desired theyd likely want too
heavy dawn
Rea's holding out for sneeze tracking
covert linden
Exactly
somber silo
Is it just me and my friends or is everyone lagging to death whenever a room gets close to being full now?
covert linden
Fps lag or?
somber silo
Fps, ever since this recent update me and a few friends have started to drop to 10-14 fps every time a room gets close to full
somber silo
Everything used to run perfectly fine even when a room was full for me and my friends before this update.. but my specs are
“AMD Ryzen 5 2600 3.4 GHz, Nvidia GeForce 1070 TI 8GB, 16GB DDR4 2400 MEMORY, 500 GB SSD w/ 3D NAND”
kindred briar
🤔
covert linden
The update BOOSTS full room performance not the other way arounf
kindred briar
those specs are fine. did you clear ur cache yet and your friends?
there is a nice button for that too.
covert linden
The button is handy
Keeep in mind a room full of dynamic bones and fur shaders can yeet anyones frames down to 15fps
frozen kraken
Hi i need help to get my world into community as its been a like week and still its only private I have 5 worlds public on old system but i cant seem to get my new world into community
wrld_fe25a42e-be75-4c29-9796-fc9e044f78d0
covert linden
You set it yourself on private.. you have to submit it to labs
Using community labs is how you brint a world to public now
somber silo
A lot of my friends are experiencing the same issue the thing is before this recent update i never had an issue and after it now this happens..
frozen kraken
I did set it to community
covert linden
Kizzu a room of dynamic bones and fur shaders can bring anyone down to 14fps, even if yoh have a nasa pc for one. Second of all, clear your cache like stated above
somber silo
I cleared the cache and everything
covert linden
Ah ok, the update makes it easier in full rooms
So you likely have just got some bad luck with rooms. Also.. was it the pug by chance? @somber silo
@frozen kraken If its set to community labs, then its just time. Theres an unknoen algorithm that decides when it gets public
heavy dawn
Rea stole all of my FPS.
covert linden
Excuse me my avatar is mostly optimized
somber silo
See the thing is when i turn off every avatar and turn on the limit dynamic bones it doesnt fix the lag. Once it happens it stays that way until i go to a new world with less than 15 people
frozen kraken
OK but it is NOT in community labs and i cant see why not
covert linden
@somber silo your ram might also be Maxing, memory leaks are a thing and 8gb isnt much
near sky
My framerate is infinite; you're all beneath me
frozen kraken
wrld_fe25a42e-be75-4c29-9796-fc9e044f78d0
covert linden
And is it the pug by chance..??
somber silo
I have 16gb of ram and when i check it tops out at 50%
near sky
Oh god the Pug sometimes
somber silo
And yea.. its the pug and the void club lmfao
covert linden
Thats why
The pug is terribly optimized same with the void club
Ihavent met a single person who doesnt die fps wise in a full pug. I got brought to 14 super easy and so had every single other person in the pug
Id suggest trying the pug west at the very least, but itd be best to find all new maps that are better optimized
frozen kraken
just asking how many weeks after submititng a world does it then show up in community labs and there is now way to look at a simple excel sheet list like in the old system
covert linden
Asking in #world-development or #user-support-old is your best bet
somber silo
Man, that stinks lol i love the pug and all my friends go there but man.. it hurts my fps now so much hahaha but thank you for the help i really appreciate it
covert linden
I used to love it too but the pug updated or somethint happened because it kills my frames too
The madcat is always empty BUT agood pug replacement if you just bring all your friends there
vestal pier
Ihavent met a single person who doesnt die fps wise in a full pug
because no one uses optimised avatars
covert linden
The pug is also horribly optimized.
vestal pier
runs fine with optimised avatars
covert linden
I lose frames when im there alone, its a terribly optimzied map
Runs alright with optimized avatars but youre not gonna find an optimized setin a full room
vestal pier
nothing runs good in a public lobby with 10+ people
unless people are optimising their avatars
covert linden
The pug runs worse tho.. I can run decently in many other maps
The pug itself needs to be optimized before we ask people to optimize for it.
vestal pier
i run a low - mid spec pc and it runs fine for me
also you shouldnt think of it like that, you should be optimising for everyones benefit
covert linden
my avatar is optimized but maps should be optimized too
You just like the map. If you go there on your own youll realize that you loose fps by just being there.
vestal pier
what makes you think i like the map haha
covert linden
you seem to have heavy bias to it
The most popular map on the game should be optimized imo
vestal pier
I dont visit it often anymore, i have issues with it i wouldnt say i "like it"
covert linden
I would love the map if I didnt get my frames stolen from it
vestal pier
if hes capable of making a quest map that runs well i dont see why the regular pug wouldnt also run fine
covert linden
Have you seen the quest map...?
There is NO quest map for the OG pug, the og pug is not optimized at all
He made a separate world, half the size and almost completely different thats called like pug west, Which is much more optimized.. thats how its quest friendly. bUt its not like the og pug
vestal pier
i know thats what im saying
covert linden
He proved that he can optimize so he should optimize the normal pug
vestal pier
thats what i was implying
iron kestrel
covert linden
Then he should get too it, its been complained about for ages 
heavy dawn
Probably a lot of work to be done optimizing models, etc. to meet the new restrictions.
I don't even know what the new world restrictions are off hand but I think the file size has to be really small.
I think the original pug wasn't that much bigger.
I wonder if kids who grow up with this will be so used to optimizing 3D models that if they get a job in VFX it'll be like having to completely re-learn what to do? 🤣
No. MORE detail!
rigid crescent
;-; VR Pill didn't add me or Jamie's emotes to the server
umbral reef
Riot 
covert linden
Fpaul I missed u
frigid mesa
Add papa tupper
ruby needle
@rigid crescent i mean... you shouldn't expect to have emotes by users added.
Jamie i dunno 
umbral reef
@ruby needle All people who barely are within the community anymore or lets stand even chat in this discord got emotes so 👀
Guess being first wave famous and friends with staff in here back then was effective
ruby needle
Rea can you please finally drop your sneezing kink from here?
If thats your thing ok, but keep it it literally all over the place every time i see you.
Thank you.
vocal shard
waves
lethal summit
ive been trusted user only for 1 night 😄
kindred briar
vocal shard
Starting my first world project ^-^ wish me luck
lethal summit
not even that didnt remain just trusted...it just flipped from trusted and known back and foward over and over...now today it seems its stable back o known user.
kindred briar
@vocal shard gl with that 
lethal summit
@vocal shard u need skill not luck
covert linden
Luck that they do a good job and learn the skills forehead
kindred briar
xD
vocal shard
I have an amateur amount of experience 3d modeling and texturing
Just have to figure out unity stuff >.<
lethal summit
im pretty much the same.
vocal shard
Was trying to use occulus's new pullout window feature to try a new work flow with my headset on but the resolution was hurting my head
heavy dawn
There's not even much "Unity 3D" involved in world making is there? I don't think you can use your own scripts or anything. Any interaction or logic has to use those VRC triggers right?
Like there's no C# coding required anyway.
The tutorial is a good place to start and it's dead simple. Step-by-step drag things into the scene and configure.
vocal shard
It's very limited from what I understand, which is good considering all that stuff is what I'm so oblivious with
That’s why so many world makers are excited about udon
heavy dawn
Udon?
vocal shard
It’s something for world development and creation
It was talked about in the last development stream
I'll have to take a look when I finish my bath
heavy dawn
Ah, I missed it. Lots going on right now.
I watched a short Twitch clip that basically says "soon (tm)"
But I get the gist of it. Handling all kinds of new interactions.
rigid crescent
@ruby needle the faq says they can be added tho ;-;
Aren't most of the emotes of users anyway
ruby needle
Ah, i didnt say wont.
Just that you shouldn't expect it to happen (especially in a short timeframe)
rigid crescent
Oh I honestly didn't expect it lol it was just for fun
vocal shard
signal lily
I have used the quest to it's fullest potential
I just played vrchat while taking a nice bath
desert stratus
good shit
vocal shard
Lol
Joel, no offense but how come you only ever say the same 3 things and a couple emotes. If you don't speak English, prehaps we could help you find a language group that you can communicate with?
maiden meteor
Hey
vocal shard
Hey
Pretty sure he’s a bot
Idk tho
He reacted to some things earlier when they first joined. But like they didn't really understand.
Kinda weirds me out
maiden meteor
I should update VRChat and hop on, it's been over a year since my ex best friend showed it to me and hung out with me on it
maiden meteor
Though he hates my guts now and I haven't even considered hopping on because nobody I know plays it
I mean... I don't know if anyone here knows him, but he's called Soul_Eater1218 on discord or something?
Has he ever been here?
vocal shard
Doesn't look like it
maiden meteor
Hmmm... I wonder if HeyImBee is here. I saw like 2 of her videos XD
covert linden
likely is but she never talks so
slate verge
time to make new friends!
covert linden
@white root air
slate verge
you know what they always say? friends comes and go
maiden meteor
Yeah, time to make new friends
covert linden
no I dont let my friends go
slate verge
well i didn't mean it like that, usually your friends leaves by themselves
fathom swan
Yeah he’s a bot lmao
slate verge
unfortunately this just happened to me just yesterday so ripped two of my so called vrchat friendos, though i don't hate them.
fathom swan
Or lacks the common sense to find the right channel for his language
maiden meteor
I'll be back, I have work to do
slate verge
👋
vocal shard
Alright. Cya ^^
maiden meteor
Being a maid sucks...
fathom swan
It’s his fuxkin YouTube channel
slate verge
oof take care of yourself you'll be fine
slate verge
(i'm also a maid in vrchat)
maiden meteor
Youtube music queue, here I come!
slate verge
nothing wrong with being small
covert linden
Im not as small as a ton of people because Im not a loli
slate verge
i learned something new today as well in vrchat. I learned that you can adjust your actual height for your avatars in-game for vr headset users even if said the avatar is originally small.
fathom swan
Gross
covert linden
But my avatar is smaller than id like so that I can be short enough for my boyfriends avatar
slate verge
although i have already notice the height in-game i never seen it used or happened.
covert linden
most people use heightt to make sure the avatars arent on tip toes
slate verge
tip toes?
covert linden
The height in vr, controllers where your head and hands are
slate verge
covert linden
So if you increase it, your avatar will get taller/or shorter, so the knees will either begin to bend, or the toes wil go tiptoes
its meant to make the avatar fit you, not to adjust the height of the model
slate verge
ohhh huh...well thats neat
polar elm
they thought i was crazy when i said bots were here.
tribal oxide
Wait wha
maiden meteor
Am I allowed to use foul language every once in a great while? It says no excessive foul language, but how much does that actually me?
*mean
tribal oxide
Like, in every sentence
vocal shard
Idk just say whatever the fuck you want as long as it’s not racist or directed toward someone
maiden meteor
So, so long as its not every sentence it's fine?
tribal oxide
Or that.
maiden meteor
Because I'm really starting to hate this client, I cut my thumb open on one of their knives, they had the damn tip bent and when I went to dry it with a paper towel, SLICE!
ruby burrow
@maiden meteor As long as you don't go so off the walls that someone actually reports you for it, you're fine.
It's basically same rules as real life.
maiden meteor
Yeah. Okay. Just checking
tribal oxide
👍
maiden meteor
It's a part of my language and how I talk, so I needed to know how to limit myself
But yeah, damn that hurt
ruby burrow
If you walk into a bar and curse with friends in the corner, no one cares. If you walk and and start screaming at everyone, they'll probably drag you out. : P
tribal oxide
Yep.
This whole time, for 3 hours I was trying to figure out how to play this song on the guitar and I thought in the song it was a guitar
How do you make a saxophone sound so much like a guitar
vocal shard
@white root are you a human or a bot
tribal oxide
If he doesn't reply in the next twelve hours he probs is
vocal shard
And not with an emote
tribal oxide
Ofc
near sky
desert stratus
calm pewter
Anyone else have disconnecting issues
near sky
calm pewter
I can’t even play the game with out it kicking me saying client behavior
near sky
Client-side, then
desert stratus
reinstall gamu
calm pewter
It’s fine hmm
near sky
or your client is modified in such a way as to cause client behavior issues to be recognized
rigid crescent
Or you're on wifi
near sky
Wired is definitely recommended
although if you're regularly fine it may not be significant enough a problem
rigid crescent
Yeah wifi is trash I hate it
near sky
supple sedge
my vrchat doesnt take up much and is smooth 1-2 hours
after 3 hours it takes up so much CPU its soo laggy and I gotta restart
so restarting VRChat is something I do every 3 hours
any fix to make vrchat stop take this much cpu ?
fathom swan
Make sure you don’t have any tabs of chrome active
supple sedge
hm I ran one tab for music
I'll try and close it
But I don't see chrome being the problem even tho I know chrome is a cpu eater too
fathom swan
fathom swan
covert linden
@white root Hey, do you know what a converstaion is?
hollow breach
@covert linden I’m pretty sure he does know?
Are u being sarcastic or saying he’s dumb or what?
covert linden
he has never said a single word here, all he does is spam emotes.
supple sedge
He sure is taking a lot of time writing
desert stratus
maybe he'
covert linden
Mods have warned him, and time after time agani we have tried to figure out if he does speak, And he never has
desert stratus
s typing out the emotes by hand
rigid crescent
Lol
desert stratus
:smug:
rigid crescent
Just ping them e z
covert linden
I did man
hollow breach
He has spoken before
covert linden
no, he has Echoed others before.
hollow breach
: o
covert linden
echoing others doesnt count as a conversation
hollow breach
Those are words I see
covert linden
that is the first thing theyve ever said by themselves
rigid crescent
They just parrot stuff
tribal oxide
Solar x3
covert linden
and it again is just an echo..
rigid crescent
@ruby needle pls
supple sedge
Sure its words but
hollow breach
I honestly don’t see a problem with him
covert linden
oh he got yeeted
rigid crescent
Oh
supple sedge
its not a conversation
rigid crescent
Nice
hollow breach
D :
desert stratus
and there he goes, back to the furthest ring...
covert linden
If someone cant do anything but spam emotes and then echo things others said, im sure they wont mind not being here
hollow breach
It can be a way of communication
supple sedge
// I second that -> Rea
hollow breach
Yes we know
covert linden
can be but its spam
ruby needle
constantly writing down your YouTube channel's name however is not a way of communicationg
at least not a tollerated way 
hollow breach
So if from now on I reply to people with these, that’s not allowed?
I just agreed with FPaul
But using an emoji instead of words
maiden meteor
I have returned for lunch break
tribal oxide
Henlo and welcome back
ruby needle
@hollow breach thats what reactions are for
maiden meteor
So how is everyone?
hollow breach
All I gotta say is rip illiterate people
tribal oxide
I'm good, and you?
ruby needle
You can be sure we're inspecting users more then just the Emojis
maiden meteor
Sore everywhere, including places that shouldn't ever ache...
ruby needle
Plus they get a warning first.
hollow breach
tribal oxide
Like brain?
vocal shard
If it was just a small thing, it wouldn't be an issue. It's been going on for days, and also they kept spamming their YouTube channel in chat
maiden meteor
yes, but that's a special case reserved for sleep deprivation
hollow breach
Yeah that I can agree with, the YouTube thing is dumb
maiden meteor
It's pounding like a hammer on an anvil
tribal oxide
Nevermind then, take some advil or.. I don't know
fathom swan
Why would he advertise his channel with 2 3 month old videos and 2 subs lmao
I just don’t get it
maiden meteor
Nah, I have work to do before I can worry about pain
tribal oxide
Well, I gotta go, bye
desert stratus
i can spot people who are clearly like 10 years old in this server from yards away
covert linden
same
desert stratus
but hey, innocent till proven otherwise n all that
maiden meteor
And how old do I seem?
hollow breach
I get told I’m a kid a lot due to me being very childish
@desert stratus am I a 10 year old?
desert stratus
most of the people who talk in this chat are like 16-23
covert linden
im 18 but self proclaimed 10
maiden meteor
Just guess.
desert stratus
you seem like... 18-19?
hollow breach
D :
desert stratus
yeah sarah i was gonna guess 20+
maiden meteor
Well shit.
desert stratus
i feel like im eternally stuck between "ah yeah im mature" and "middle school"
in terms of mental age
ive said my age before in this chat but yall wanna guess anyway?
covert linden
Im stuck in im mature but adhd so im 2
covert linden
Im only self proclaimed 2 its ok
desert stratus
lol 0ohk
hollow breach
Like omg that’s so funny
maiden meteor
By the way, Rea?
hollow breach
I need to grow up ; (
desert stratus
never grow up. remain short. like me. 5'6"
maiden meteor
You seemed like an awesome person, so I added ya X3
covert linden
ty
vocal shard
I'm 5'6 too
hollow breach
Wow but u don’t add me?
near sky
6'1
covert linden
5'2
hollow breach
How dare u
near sky
A bunch of midgets in ere
vocal shard
maiden meteor
I take it you don't accept adds Rea?
near sky
desert stratus
5'5"-5'6" gang
hollow breach
@maiden meteor only reason me and rea are friends is because we’re both Canadian
maiden meteor
Though, I was short for my class in high school at 5'7"
near sky
Also Canadian 👀
hollow breach
Ontario?
vocal shard
Canadian too 
hollow breach
Ayeee same
desert stratus
all of my close friends are taller than me
and all of them a year younger than me
near sky
Near York right now actually ahaha
maiden meteor
Everyone in my grade was 6 foot and up
desert stratus
or two :<
hollow breach
I will add u then my fellow Canadian, we will never speak in the DM’s though
desert stratus
even my ex was taller than me at 5'10"
hollow breach
Not Jamie though, he scares me
vocal shard
O.o
desert stratus
jamie not scary waht
vocal shard
near sky
Jamie; Canadian Warmonger
hollow breach
All mods are scary
desert stratus
okay ngl i need all of the canadians to confess something right now
slate verge
@desert stratus add ya on vrchat~ feel free to accept it whenever c:
near sky
achoo
desert stratus
are all of you sociopaths?
hollow breach
Yes
covert linden
Canadian, i'm 5"2 but my bf is like 5"11
vocal shard
You've actually never sneezed on me Rea
desert stratus
because every diagnosed sociopath ive met lives in canada
near sky
Coincidence
covert linden
I will one day Jamie
slate verge
@covert linden oh my.
desert stratus
and its starting to make me wonder about its "politeness"
maiden meteor
Weird question does anyone want my steam username so that I can play with you all sometime?
desert stratus
i dont wanna go to canada anymore >n<
covert linden
ive been on call with afro hes pretty cool, but Jamie is my friendu
vocal shard
slate verge
:O
near sky
I'm shaking right now just because Jamie's in this chat
vocal shard
near sky
Look at those horns
slate verge
why are you shaking?
vocal shard
But I dont want to be scary
near sky
kidding, kidding ❤
desert stratus
he's not scary guys :<
desert stratus
all of the mods are nice uwu
slate verge
i think all the mods are cool
near sky
nicu
desert stratus
no fear
covert linden
only mod that scares me is fpau
hollow breach
Okay Jamie, I will add u as u are Canadian, but as soon as u scare me, I will hit dat block
covert linden
Jamie isnt scary ever
hollow breach
But u see, I’ve met one of Jamie’s friends
near sky
all of us are Jamie except you, reader
vocal shard
slate verge
very wholesome
desert stratus
all 20,000 accounts in this server are actually just jamie's alts
near sky
Yes
vocal shard
exposed!
desert stratus
jAImie
near sky
Yes ahaha
rigid crescent
I met Jamie before, he can be terrifying
desert stratus
so this is what google has been doing this whole time!
vocal shard
Lol mic
rigid crescent
A true tyrant
desert stratus
bench testing its AI via headpat simulator
maiden meteor
I guess I'm not nice :c Though Im not a mod...
vocal shard
soft spoken akward guy in VRChat that stands in the corner..
Yeah I guess that can be terrifying
desert stratus
i mean, "beware the calm man gone angry" n all that
hollow breach
Yo thats me : o
near sky
❤
slate verge
jamie is shy?
desert stratus
the first time i was ever openly angry and in a bad mood around some friendos they said i was genuinely scary :<
fathom swan
Add me y’all cuz why not ig name is same as here
desert stratus
eventually
near sky
Mute_ in-game
desert stratus
sOlarApple
maiden meteor
Nobody answers me when I ask a question. Kek.
desert stratus
sorry distacted ur pretty nice
vocal shard
whats your question?
hollow breach
^
maiden meteor
I asked if anyone wanted my steam username in case you wanted to play with me on something or when I finally got on VRChat or something
hollow breach
@maiden meteor we add each other in game
slate verge
sure sarah
desert stratus
the H is very powerful >~<
hollow breach
Not much sense adding on steam tbh
near sky
@maiden meteor In-game username is "Mute_" -feel free to add
maiden meteor
Just DM me if you want it I guess. Or something. I gotta check to see if I can do that actually.
slate verge
you should probably sync it with your discord profile though, its easier that way
fathom swan
Add me y’all on steam-@ totally not a vegan or vrc - BruhMomentMaker cuz why not
Gotta get that trusted status one way or another
near sky
For my Steam; <I removed this link a day later>
stiff glacier
Yeah I recently joined, myself. I'd be up for adding you all ^^ My in-game name is the same as Discord, Lo Pendragon.
ruby needle
Please dont post the same stuff across multipel channels,thanks @smoky warren
Especially if you ignore my question over there
smoky warren
Oh, wasn't sure if you needed specific roles for each
Wait, you asked a question?
Oh, by Vietnam War Crimes, I mean I'm literally just flying around as a Vietnam era Huey
And giving others lifts
fathom swan
God I k ow the avatar that you’re talking about
It’s a good way to get blocked my guy
It’s so big and annoying and loud
maiden meteor
Holy shit I'm almost done with the mountain called Dishtopia. Only took 2 days to do...
near sky
Welcome back from war
ruby needle
respect
fathom swan
That was like 3 hours ago chief goddamn
maiden meteor
If anyone wants to know what hell looks like to a maid, I'd show you
fathom swan
Wait are you actually a a maid? I didn’t know those even existed