He can travel really fast by walking around his playspace and just rotating to continue in any particular direction.
#vrchat-general-2
ruby burrow
north rock
Kinda kills the immersion factor for the pilot but I'd take it over the broken camera and controls on those he'll avatars you find
ruby burrow
And has seats on the dropship.
north rock
What I wouldn't give to be a Pelican.
People really can be amazing with avatar creation. I wish I weren't so turned off from the process.
ruby burrow
The compromise of course, is that he can't truly fly to get over obstacles and larger gaps still.
north rock
Fair point
boreal kelp
I saw a cool Iron Giant avatar that could lift you up if you stood on its hand
ruby burrow
Works for some maps, but not ideal for others.
north rock
I've definitely seen those around, Cat
boreal kelp
Also, ridable dinosaurs and a tank
gilded hinge
Anyone online? Im new.and just kinda trying to break outa my shell a bit
ruby burrow
Mhmm. I put seats on my over sized Kanna's too.
boreal kelp
One person in the "Never Have I Ever" World showed off a couple avatars they had saved that you could interact with like a pole-dancing stage, a merry-go-round, and racing horses that do circle around the map while you ride them
ruby burrow
Made them specifically because of the chairs infact, on the first day of the update.
@wind crystal A bit over 5000 people in the game right now. Welcome to it. π
north rock
I have a friend whose entire arsenal of avatars is just inanimate objects. Rocks. Trees. A laying tiger. Just things that exist to serve as background.
boreal kelp
I haven't messed with dynamic bones or colliders at all
north rock
I look up to that guy.
boreal kelp
Weightpainting the skirt in blender and rotating/bending the leg bones to fix inward/outward leg issues is good enough for me
gilded hinge
@ruby burrow i kmow. But i downloaded the game to help with my social anxiety and turns out VR is just as scary to me as IRL
ruby burrow
Aw. Well it's a little different for everyone.
boreal kelp
I'm in a similar boat. Small talk can come easier if you comment on features in a world or on a user's avatar
ruby burrow
A nice starting place is maybe to just explore some avatar worlds, and add some to your favourites. That's what I mainly did during my first hours of the game.
boreal kelp
I have a goose avatar in my favorites that has custom dance animations and is ridable
ruby burrow
I'm the kind who is very awkward and quiet, rarely ever engages others IRL, but somehow I do just feel completely at home in VR-Chat.
tribal oxide
That's kinda the point
gleaming ridge
@gilded hinge i used to be scared to talk but now im like the life of the party in vrchat lol
boreal kelp
I wave at people or tip my hat, make a little small talk and usually go on my way IRL unless I want to make friends
tribal oxide
Although I'm still careful when I speak because I really hate interrupting
gilded hinge
Welp, off to the world then haha
ruby burrow
Good luck and have fun Alex.
gleaming ridge
while im still not the best with social interactions irl vrchat has helped me
boreal kelp
Discord feels easy because it is all text
gleaming ridge
well yeah
ivory frost
The hype was real. If you don't have a VR headset get a Quest. I just played custom Beat Saber songs plus did my best ever on Overkill on my Quest. Soon VRchat on SteamVR will be perfectly playable over a 5ghz connection from your PC if your PC can handle VR to begin with and it is a good experience with the Quest app not being too bad itself pending more growth through community efforts. Get a Quest for now and save for an Index to have the best down the road.
ruby burrow
It's hard to even understand why, but in VRC I'm generally completely fine just going right up to a group and entering a conversation as if I already knew them all.
Regardless of whether it's a group of newbies or some big known name. Perhaps it's just this sense that the game is a shared open space.
boreal kelp
One noticable problem I have socially IRL is that I can chill with fellow dudes just fine once I get to know them, but with girls/women my mind goes into professional mode and I dunno much about flirting
ruby burrow
There is the type of super charismatic people you can meet in VRC on rare occasions, who do still throw me off a little.
Not in a bad way, but it can make me regress into my awkward self a bit again. ^ ^;
ivory frost
Catfishwriter, there is more at stake with girls/women, so that is a normal predicament. It can happen on many levels too. If you mistake a friendly disposition for interest, reveal an interest to a regular contact and find out they aren't single, etc, etc. Finding real female friends in VRchat can be a big help
ruby burrow
Not had any issues with girls or such. Though I think I probably almost ignore gender in this game.
Is nothing but voice, and even then that can't be trusted here. : P
boreal kelp
But learning to open myself up and be more relaxed around girls/women (instead in professional "this is like an interview") is another issue for another day
gleaming ridge
you ever talk to girls in vrchat?
ruby burrow
I do know what you mean actually though Catfish, at least in IRL.
Every time I go on Fry.
ivory frost
My suggestion is just aim to be friends. Let anything else grow naturally and if it doesn't it doesn't. You will get more comfortable regardless.
ruby burrow
There's several in my main friend groups.
vocal shard
Just ask if she's down to erp in a private works 80% of the time π
queen mango
I don't have a friend in my list who is a woman.
gleaming ridge
damn
queen mango
At most, the ones I'm acquainted with aren't in my Friends list
boreal kelp
I haven't seen much girls in VRChat. There was one person who I thought was a girl who turned out to be a dude with a really good voice changer
queen mango
gleaming ridge
my friends lists is more female then male
ruby burrow
Probably good advice from Styx there, since that's all I ever do. It's the internet. I generally have zero expectation of ever meeting them in person, so I don't even think about it.
gleaming ridge
^
ivory frost
IRL I have issues myself, especially if a girl is super attractive, and its on complex levels. Sometimes I want their friendship and fear coming across as just another dude trying to get in their pants. Other times I'm very interested, but don't want to ruin a friendship or make something awkward forever going forward. IT's tough if the encounters are short and not leaving opportunity to get to know each other more naturally.
girl/woman...I'm 42, lol
vocal shard
Boomer 
gleaming ridge
damn you could be my dad
ivory frost
It doesn't get better when two marriages have me fearing a devil as much as wanting a relationship, lol.
vocal shard
That's tough
ivory frost
Yeah, Yeah, long story about how I wound up in VRchat....I'm better off saying I'm 24 then claiming it was a typo later.
queen mango
Does that mean I don't get the job?
ivory frost
Needless to say, I don't do lewd stuff in the game. I have made many female friends and one in particular is the same age as my oldest daughter. I'm upfront about my age, and I'm here for a social connection not because I'm bored with Tinder (which I don't use.)
boreal kelp
I had an encounter with a girl via Discord back in April that had been crushing on me hard. Let's just say that there was too much distance, she was polyamorous, and not in a good state mentally.
vocal shard
Woah
Polyamorous people are just wack like how can you make up something to justify being with multiple partners smh
Wo bars
What happened to being faithful
ivory frost
Good Question Bully.
boreal kelp
My attempts at responding to her flirts sounded awkward and robotic. Somehow my natural writing style that leaned towards paragraphs or a lot of words did not turn her away.. rather it only made her crush on me more
vocal shard
odd flex but permissible
boreal kelp
I don't even pick up on whether I sound like I'm flexing tbh. I just saw that as adding a bit more context in my mind
vocal shard
Idk i'm just sarcastic
ivory frost
Catfishwriter, I'll try to remember to send you an invite the next time I log on btw
boreal kelp
I think I could meet a female friend on VRChat at some point, but there's the variable of whether it could be just another dude with a voice changer or the real deal
ivory frost
Just don't run off my female friends with anything too aggressive, lol.
gleaming ridge
you should be able to tell if they're using a voice changer
boreal kelp
Sounds like a plan.
ivory frost
And one of my best friends in the game is actually trans but I would have never known if she hadn't said so, and she deosn't use a voice changer. Doesn't have to. Really changed my whole perception of trans people.
gleaming ridge
i mean yeah some people have really good trap voices
ivory frost
She's not a trap though. She is really on HRT and lives as a woman IRL. But hey if a trap fools you in game and it helps easy your anxieties with women IRL who cares?
gleaming ridge
ik shes not a trap i was just saying in general
boreal kelp
That's an interesting way to put it.
Once I found out it was a dude with a voice changer, my anxiety level went down some notches during that session
ivory frost
I like it that people can be their authentic selves in VRchat. It doesn't mean that's what all people are doing, but I think most are. What the point of being fake in VRchat? It's a place to be yourself and find acceptance for it. In my opinion at least, and I believe that is what most people like about VRchat.
gleaming ridge
yeah i am more my true self in vrchat than irl
ivory frost
Personally I always found effeminate gay men annoying IRL but in the game I see them differently. IRL it seems the ones who are really boisterous are putting on an act for attention, but in the game it comes across as authentic and I like authentic over anything else when I deal with people I guess.
I actually think people are more real in Vrchat than IRL.
ivory frost
Facebook keeps talking about the real Avatar tech they are making for people to use. I think they are missing the point of what currently drives VR social interaction.
But they probably see the ability for people who are vain IRL to be vain in VR as better for business.
It's fakebook...vr and discord are better places to meet real people, fakebook is for posing and drama
gleaming ridge
yeah
ivory frost
Imagine when people appear as they are except for having snapchat filters applied to their avatars...no thanks. But that's me. I'd rather connect on a personal level and then see if the rest of the package is a deal breaker or not, and I like having none of that matter when it comes to friends.
I can't convince anyone IRL to check out VR though. Ideally I could have RL friends to catch in VR a few times during the week and plan a legit fishing trip or whatever on weekends...I think that would be ideal, but people are closed minded. No amount of enthusiasm can even get people to take a look at VR that I have found.
languid beacon
Is it possible on oculus touch to remap VRC's jump to Oculus's B or Y buttons? I don't feel like wearing down my joystick clicky
gleaming ridge
i think down the road many people will have vr
ivory frost
Maybe through SteamVR's controller bindings. Adeon.
You won't map it jump you would change the press function of the button you choose to act as a joystick press instead, but I don't know that you need worry about wearing it out on a touch controller. On a Vive wand maybe.
gleaming ridge
the vive wand shouldn't wear down that much from pressing it in
lime pagoda
AR/VR cosmetics are going to be a lot of money.
Especially if AR is adopted mainstreamwise
halcyon kestrel
haha
alpine crater
facebook has no other idea in mind for VR other than to make people use it to further their strangehold on social interaction with friends and family online
and then to sell you more ads, especially if AR becomes a big thing out of the home
they'll make everything free for users, so long as it's on their platform under their control, then charge developers
vocal shard
Ding dong.
ivory frost
I agree Bloodninja.
I created a new facebook that I use less personally, and I did it to cut off connections to people IRL who wouldn't be connected at all if not for facebook letting them pretend to care. That was just about everybody IRL who should have cared but doesn't. Now I don't use it much but in time maybe it becomes better with friends who are into the same things and interested in communicating for real.
I could have easily ditched it altogether, but facebook marketplace is a real handy feature and a little safer than meeting strangers from craigslist with a wad of cash or something valuable to sell.
vocal shard
The very last time i posted in here.. 3 months ago or so, it was me and a few others talking about how we quit facebook and haven't looked back, i came back briefly to see the exact same sorta convo i left with lol
ivory frost
People think of VR as another social media and they are wrong. This is real people hanging out and having fun and conversations, nothing like fakebook with the best of 1,000 selfies and a cherry picked and exaggeration of one's life.
vocal shard
When i quit facebook bout 1/5 years ago now i lost everything because i manually deleted all my data rolling back since 2009, so once i did so i downloaded a copy.. but then months later couldn't be asked so deleted the copy.. and then realised half my gaming was stored with facebook.. what can yah do.. lol
Well.. i got bored of VR i've owned every device except this new quest, still have a cv1 just sitting infront of me now gathering dust.. i use it for porn and yeah thats about it
ivory frost
I have one archive from an old account but I had another I didn't archive and I could have used some of the information in court. Still cutting the facebook tie is worth losing a little data.
eternal garnet
yo join the volt club if u want to dance
ivory frost
You got bored with VRchat?
vocal shard
I never played on vrchat i just created maps and then got praise and .. it went like that over and over
ivory frost
Get FBT and take up some new shenanigans.
vocal shard
i never felt satisfied no matter what i created
Vrchat is good for talking.. but its got a community inside that i never fully understood.. i was always a loner as i am in rl.. i dont seem to understand or even comprehend these "Fads" that go around.. i just built fun things and well most of the experiences i made were based on my imagination.. nothing really else..
ivory frost
You should try to play, you can find great groups. My experience almost never matches the absurdities that people capture in highlights. You can find the crowds you seek. I have friends I clown with and child with. The rooftop theatre is awesome for movies, and the level never changes in Steel-n-Gold, but with a good group of players it hasn't lost any of its fun factor for me.
chill with not child with, lol
vocal shard
Well Digi i've been on vrchat since it first begun.. when the old lobby was the new lobby..
there's not much i haven't done so .. meh boring
Well socialising.. i guess its an age thing too as you get older.. things just dont appeal to your frame of mind anymore.. to much immaturity.. or just to much of one thing.. i get sick of anything thats usually social side.. if its talking about development or hardware.. then im there.. or science or biology.. tbh finding people with my interests isn't as easy as it used to be back in the day.
ivory frost
My biggest issue with VRchat is it can't be multi-tasked. So in that respect it's no replacement for the family I lost and it is a competitor to quality time with my son I still have. However, it is also great. There have been many times I woke up still happy about the fun the night before, and that has been a rare experience in my life in recent years.
vocal shard
Well it was built single core in mind.. and thats not about to change unless its rebuilt
ivory frost
I'm 42 Omega. I would probably feel the same except I was so pre-occupied providing for a family that I didn't really burn out any social interest.
inner cape
ow shoot, long time no see, omega
ivory frost
My second wife passed from Leukemia but the relationship was toxic before she got sick. My ex took advantage of her illness to get custody of my other four kids, and social options for someone with no social connections at 42 are limited and strange. Especially with a kid in tow. Vrchat has been a good option for me.
vocal shard
ah im 35 here.. almost 36.. but i've spent my life alone so.. i sorta just go by what i used to do and sorta do as i am now.. but i cant seem to understand fads or whatnot.. meme's also make zero sense to me i never understood any i saw.. even if it was based on something that made the meme be seen as ironic i would question.. why would you state the obvious is it really that amusing? never got it lol
Hey ghost π
ivory frost
Speaking of my boy, I need to get off of here for now.
vocal shard
Ah Digi yeah i can see how that would help you.. sorta been in that situation in my past.. not as bad as your's but still.. we all go through things mate
twin iron
Any word on full body tracking for rift s?
vocal shard
attach a leapmotion to each body part and tell each sensor what belongs to what.. and you will have full body? lol
twin iron
Ah sweet .. Iβm new to this
vocal shard
ah well ignore me then i was just pissing about π yeah there's lots of body suits about
lunar shell
Facebook is coming out with something maybe in a few years, 2022.
twin iron
Awesome, any recommendations for a suit under 5k lol
vocal shard
possibly..
lunar shell
There's also Kinnect, Nolo, or just buying basestations and trakers.
twin iron
Any work around to play straight through oculus?
inner cape
no
twin iron
Okay
inner cape
it doesn't really matter
if you play with just oculus, or with both oculus and steamvr running
ivory frost
The rift Vive combo works with Rift S and is your best bet if you have a Rift S.
You will need base stations, trackers and an ability to google and use discord. π
twin iron
The vive tracking system ?
inner cape
that's gonna be expensive
twin iron
Someone just upload me already and get it over with
ivory frost
If you are interested in FBT it is worth it in my opinion. It is expensive, but I have no regrets.
twin iron
Nice @ivory frost
inner cape
really depends tbh
from your financial situation and room size to your vrc activity and your vr-lifestyle
ivory frost
Well I recently picked up a VIve for a great deal....and the wands weren't so bad in Vrchat afterall and flawless FBT was really nice....that said SteamVR did not like Vive with a Rift installed (even unplugged)...and I don't want to give up touch controllers for everything else. I don't know what I will do, but if I had index controllers I would use the Vive as my main VR.
I had extra cash temporarily from a tax return, and I made the investment as my social life for the duration of college, so it has been worth it for me. I don't recommend not paying rent or selling kidneys for it though.
vocal shard
I cant tell you how many full body suits have truly been projects that are now no more. Seems that people cant wait to show the world innovative tech but have trouble with marketing and so the product simply gets removed from reality. https://haptx.com/ seem's to have the most powerful glove .. axion seem's to be a suit that likes to talk but there's absolutely zero place i can find that even has a demo of it available.
twin iron
Thanks @vocal shard
covert linden
The gloves wont work for vrc. Best to get the knuckles.
ivory frost
I did leave for real btw but then caught this passing through......there isn't much need for FBT for most things, but it is worth it for VRchat alone if a person thinks they'd like to have it they will love having it.
covert linden
But ye they all eventually died down
vocal shard
no problem, wish i could be more helpful but there's so many people looking to promote tech.. but it just up and vanishes.. all these dam wordpress templates they use.. look's impressive.. it does this.. it does that.. years later.. it doesn't exist anymore lol
twin iron
Word on active hand tracking?
covert linden
Yes the knuckles ^
twin iron
Hmm
ivory frost
I wish the vive trackers worked direct with Beat Saber. They don't. People do that using virtualmotion capture which is a major pain in the ass to setup it seems. I started to do it but did not finish.
covert linden
The valve knuckles are the best option; vrchat support, tons of games have support, and its the only thing close to what you want
twin iron
Awesome!
ivory frost
What I like about VRchat's upcoming Index incorporation is the ability to turn off gesture animations. I have avatars I like but can't use because the animations are too much for conversations. I would love to turn them off most of the time.
twin iron
Sorry for short response Iβm on the road
vocal shard
Leap motion is extremely accurate, but isn't really supported in vrchat, it would require more support or the latest dev kit plugin to be supported.. its a really fun way to play around though.. it works perfect in UE4 and a few others apps
ivory frost
Ok, I'm really leaving again....at least for a little while, lol.
ebon isle
hey anyone know how to do the before lanch fix for the mic
covert linden
@ebon isle There can be a number of things wrong, like have you tested your mic in a different program other than vrchat and does it work, and then second did you make it a default in the audio window. You can check this, by pressing the windows key and typing 'manage audio devices' . If this is already done and you checked that, go up to a mirror in vrc and talk, is your mouth moving? If the answer all this to yes and yet nobody can hear you, hit escape and look in the corner of the menu where your name is, what is the role?
I would also check to ensure that the mic icon is lighting up when you speak while you're doing the mirror test.
Its listed in there ^
ebon isle
all the in game setting are right but i dont understand if im doing to wendows setting right but it has my headse for sound and recording on
vocal shard
@covert linden Elaborate on your (Most sereve adhd ever) im quite interested π
ebon isle
i got it to work but it goes in and out
atomic tusk
here's a little trick for vive users to reduce the sensitivity of the vive mic....cover it with 2 layers of command strips
fallen night
every time i login and load into the home world after a few seconds it crashes
slate verge
not alot of horror adventure games available
vocal shard
Anyone wanna chat
maybe once i've downloaded vrchat again.. which is happening right now..
@vocal shard What grinds me gears :#1 having a few thousand friends with no inkling of who is actually who because you have spent so much time away from the scene that your mortified that when you get back .. mostly everyone knows you.. you dont know them.. and worse yet they changed their bloody names.
5 mins on your connection perhaps.
my maps are larger than vrchats client.. go figure.
eh?
Dont dictate to me whats an I and whats an l its an impossibility.. my region defines my structure
im only limited by that.
i cant argue with that one. F up.
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okay.. getting on vrchat.
@unique tiger imagine trying to advertise your dead channel in the vrchat discord
yuh
yeah okay skid
ember nimbus
is it down?`
vocal shard
I have that already
docme has stinky shaders
Price is a cutie though
He gives me kisses
took me 10 mins to remember my username and password.. this is offensive to drunk people
I'm in a crying coffin mood tbh
please dont tell me tupper actually responds to dm's from random users now
you cannot delete from my end.. why bother
rigid crescent
i randomy DMed him a few days ago and he responded
unique tiger
@vocal shard or imagine taking time to talk shit about somebody you dont know on the internet
vocal shard
That's how it is
Imagine taking the time to properly fit your pfp on discord oh wait
brisk steppe
What type of avi is it
Like a ybot or
Is there a way to appeal bans
Idk but some shaders in it
Or just make a y bot if your bored
And ask people what they want in it
solar jolt
I got Vr headset!
brisk steppe
lost cobalt
I am still saving up for VR equipment, really looking forward to getting it
rough pulsar
That'll be the network IK system. Enjoy.
(there's apparently fixes & improvements to it in the next release, coming soon maybe?)
sleek scroll
Hey everyone
vocal shard
Does anyone know any worlds with good yandere models?
covert linden
@vocal shard check deviantart
strange wagon
does anyone here own a rift s and used it in vrc?
strange wagon
hmm
covert linden
@dusty pawn Owns a Rift S, and ive spoken to them plenty about it.. In fact they sold their VIVE for the S, and love the S way more
Im about to buy one myself
strange wagon
my oculus (touch bundle version) broke. and the market offered me to give me a rift s as a replacement. or i could pay up and get the vive.
covert linden
Unless you want FBT, go for the rift S imo. Its tracking is said to be the same, it can fit glasses, and the convienence of not needing in-room sensors is so awesome
covert linden
This is what he said about the Rift S vs the vive
CreeperToday at 7:37 PM
First off, IPD adjustment is way better.
Secondly, I can actually use my glasses with it
Third, Headphones fit snugly on it
Fourth, The headset itself is cozy as heck
Fifth, The tracking's way better than i thought it'd be, and i can actually reach behind myself a bit.
Sixth, Guardian. It's so great because i press a button, and bam i can see my room, and walk around.
Seventh, Controllers feel great and natural, unlike with the vive controllers where i feel like i'm holding two big sticks
8th, Don't even notice the Refresh rate change from 90 to 80, It still feels smooth and cozy.
And finally, No base stations to set up.
strange wagon
yea
hmmmm
lots of "journalists" say the 80 hz is an issue
but shouldnt it be fine as long as it's above 60????
covert linden
Ive heard many reviews say they cant even notice the difference
strange wagon
yea. some say there is no difference some say you can see the jitter
covert linden
In theory u shouldnt be able to notice it
You could always get the free Rift S, and if you dont like it sell it to get the vive :P
strange wagon
like. i called them and told everything that is broken on my rift (1 year old). pretty much headphones broke after 5 months, my left lens had the same issue as the first one that i turned in to get a new replacement (blurry spot under the lens) and now i keep getting black screens and weird artifacts. it doesn't seem to be the cable cause it also happens when i just sit and don't move.
said he will check it out but i'll most likely get something else as a replacement
it's weird how they gave me a new rift after i turned in my first one. it had blurry spots underneath the lenses
@covert linden the audio quality on the "headphones" seem to be an issue
covert linden
buy new 1s
strange wagon
i'm used to using headphones in vr
but when looking at the rift s it looks like it's gonna be less comfy to wear headphones on that π€
it doesn't have a headphone jack either
oh wait is that the headphone jack on the left
frigid mesa
Wait did you just get vive
strange wagon
well i'm about to drive to the market in a few hours
and either get rift s or vive
strange wagon
my oculus broke, so i can kinda decide
strange wagon
still have warranty. but this thing is beyond saving i think
headphones broke after 5 months, left lens has a blurry spot underneath the lens and i get artifacts and blackscreens when playing
queen mango
Rift S is cheaper, and newer in the market. It also has better screen resolution and subpixel count than the Rift or Vive.
strange wagon
yee. the pros on the rift s outshine the vive tbh
vive's only pro is full body
literally.
even then i'd rather buy 2 lighthouses instead with the trackers and use rift s
i'm just thinking cause i could get vive for 150β¬
queen mango
Rift S uses Inside-Out tracking, which doesn't require setting up any trackers. External ones, that is.
strange wagon
i'm only worried that it won't track my hands on the sides
when i let my arms hang
i do that quite a lot
and well their headphones
they apparently seem to be trash
can just use my own but oh well. would've been nice.
queen mango
I haven't a good idea of how it feels, though. Never got to try it yet, as I haven't for all VR headsets
strange wagon
oh wow they still use batteries
not that i mind. no charging in the middle of games.
vocal shard
Many said batteries was a plus of the original touch controllers over the vive
strange wagon
i prefer batteries over having to charge ye
swapping batteries is fast
think i'm pretty set to taking the free rift s then
vocal shard
As far as tracking to the side, the cameras on the side of the headset are angled down. Myself with wmr, it only has two camera up front, so I develped a habit of swinging my hands at my sides to keep tracking. Rift S should be much better
strange wagon
ah
vocal shard
I think the only real blind spots on the Rift S are directly behind you, which the controller IMU is still good enough to track reaching behind you to grab things or pass stuff behind you
strange wagon
hmmm. rift s might be the go to sweet spot then
comfy price and no set up pretty much
i'm excited to see the change in lenses lol
ppl say it's a lot sharper
vocal shard
Yeah. People I've talked to who have it like it. Someone here went from Vive to Rift S and said the convenient pros make it much more enjoyable and they won't go back
Yeah, the lenses and resolution are much better.
strange wagon
if the grid effect is gone on it and it's sharper then that's the jackpot right there
dusty pawn
well then, you've hit the jacktop.
it's great, and no grid effect, and unlike the vive you can r e a d t h e t e x t
atomic tusk
ugh so many people don't know about how you can adjust the vive away from your face to fit glasses
vocal shard
Ok... I thought most knew that
atomic tusk
you have people saying the rift s fits glasses better
I had to adjust mine due to me doing the gearvr mod
vocal shard
It does. Same as the Vive you can side it further or closer to your face to fit glasses. But apparently it still has some more room
atomic tusk
the vanilla rift was really bad when it came to glasses...I had to use a older smaller pair to to mine properly
vocal shard
Yeah my CV1 rift was bad for glasses. The Rift S is a completely different design
atomic tusk
I'm just gonna gun for index in the future
vocal shard
That's the ideal choice. But too much money for most to consider 
atomic tusk
I already ordered the knuckles
vocal shard
Nice ^^
atomic tusk
no doubt rift had the edge in vive in controls but with the knuckles...
atomic tusk
atleast there will be a toggle for classic gestures and full knuckles tracking
vocal shard
Mhmm
atomic tusk
no more accidentally firing a gun or w/e
although I hope they rig it to where you can toggle each hand separately
vocal shard
nob
i've met some really warped people tonight.. as much as we ban religious icons in vrchat.. that does not seem to negate the people we meet.. there's no words for religious spots i've met tonight.. unreal.
strange wagon
@dusty pawn what about the "headphones" on it
dusty pawn
Pretty good, You can hear other things in your house though, luckily you can plug in your own headphones and they do fit cozily.
lunar shell
I actually prefer hearing things around me like my own voice. I play using the Vive with one headphone partially up.
storm stag
I received 2 friend request 2 days ago, yesterday they no longer show to me as friends nor do they show on my friend list, yet they are able to join on me on a Friends Only world.
Will this even be fixed?
Or is there any Workarounds in this? And it feels like I'm the only one experiencing this.
warped jungle
Ok so I've got a strange question, I joined a world with some friends and at one point when I pressed both my triggers together the game seemed to glitch and the video distorted and a strange sound kept coming through my headphones, sorta like being eaten by a dinosaur or something, anyway it was creepy and I couldn't do anything, was it a user crashing me or just a glitch in the game and has anyone else had this happen before?
Also I could not do anything, I had to restart vrchat to fix it...
cold talon
Why do you know how it sounds to be eaten by a dinosaur 
cold talon
Dunno, but probably just a random crash, the last couple of seconds of audio are known to loop when that happens
warped jungle
Yeah but it seems like it was caused by me holding my triggers and happened twice only in that world, once straight away while setting up my full body and later on in the world...
I should also clarify the screen did not freeze, I couldn't do anything but the screen was blurred and moving around similar to some custom animations
slate verge
oh god people touching me and those phantom touches so many pokes
wide remnant
hi 3:
lost cobalt
@wide remnant hi π
wide remnant
what's up homie?
lost cobalt
not much π chilling in vrchat π you?
wide remnant
i just woke up tbh π i might hop online soon.
lost cobalt
cool π
mighty cradle
this keeps being unread
weary radish
Someone help I need entertainment
lost cobalt
@weary radish what do you want us to do about it :/
weary radish
Idk I'm just rlly bored
lost cobalt
same lol
weary radish
I'm stuck doing school work that I've never even seen before hbu
lost cobalt
@weary radish that sucks, I am eating dinner right now, as i got home from doing an exam in a topic i never seen before xD
weary radish
Dinner?
covert linden
Im selling my soul
bronze cape
Play Gorn? Then you can scream "Are you not entertained!". Always fun.
lost cobalt
yeah i eat an early dinner today at 3:30pm xD
lost cobalt
@weary radish I am european xD
lost cobalt
Well I still got my exams to do though lol
lost cobalt
I did my exam in Inorganic chemestry today, now i got my exams in
Thermodynamics, Algebra and self-assembling Nanostructures left
covert linden
Man smart people amaze me
Im here graduating grade 12 in speciaal ed and yall are doing algebra.. and Nanostructures? xd
lost cobalt
yeah, however it is really easy because for the topics i work with, I pretty much can 90% of the whole course as long i understand one rule of mathmatics lol
@covert linden I am studying at university atm Nanotechnology
covert linden
Ajwhddjs wow
lost cobalt
so is anyone on VRChat atm? xD
covert linden
Well if class counts as vrc
near sky
Stuck @ work; so unfortunately not
lost cobalt
@covert linden no it doesn't xD
covert linden
Why npt
lost cobalt
π
covert linden
Why cant my entire life be vrchar
lost cobalt
that would be fun xD
covert linden
Exactly
lost cobalt
and we know you hate fun π
covert linden
WHAT
Fun is my favourite thing
Cant u readd my username I need fun to survive
Im listening to littlebigplanet while walking to school im the OP
lost cobalt
okay, I believe you xD
covert linden
Imagine doing uni courses in vrchat
near sky
Oculus quest passthrough
near sky
Always logged in -living in VRC
covert linden
I got laughed at cuz ill get home from my fastfood job then go to vrc and pretend to work at a dinner
"Lemme get this straight, you do a fulll shift at work.. to go home.. and just work more!?" XD
lost cobalt
wow xD
covert linden
Its fun when its in vrc
near sky
No obligations; maybe becomes a sort of roleplay -I can see why
covert linden
Exaactly
slate verge
@covert linden thats very cute
covert linden
THANK U
lost cobalt
@covert linden Well i am also gonna do more RP in VRChat, but it is a bit limited for me until i get actually VR equipment lol
covert linden
I used to desktop rp, its just more like in the mind than it is with vr. My group isnt really into it tho.. YET
lost cobalt
well i'll totally join in xD
covert linden
I just bought a massive house for my vrc group with tons and tons of props
lost cobalt
thats cool lol
covert linden
So Im hoping theyll wanna rp more
My friend finn wants to do a '24'horu challange where we live just like we would irl but in the house
but hes the only one who wants to go that far xD
lost cobalt
could be fun lol then i would have a PC and sit in a virtual world and play games xD
near sky
Sounds intense; fun for those really invested
Would think some people would lose enthusiasm after the 8 or 12 hour mark though
lost cobalt
I tried doing a 28 hours of one thing, if enough happens it is fine
tribal oxide
I've never roleplayed in vrchat
languid beacon
I have no problem socializing and chatting but I canβt RP, if Iβm around RP, I freeze up
tribal oxide
I mean it's kind of embarrassing in real life especially when you have parents around xD
languid beacon
I got an apt I have no excuse
warped jungle
I tend to role-play alot in vrc as well, even putting on accents and having specific avatars for different situations, my personal favorite is my classy englishman
tribal oxide
I'm just a short walking cat
That talks to people.
My neck hurts after a while from looking up
warped jungle
Also I'll be down for a 24 hour rp session, that to me sounds amazing
languid beacon
Iβd rather jump out a window xD
warped jungle
To each there own, my good sir (tips top hot)
tribal oxide
I can't do that, I don't have the energy or the vocal strength to talk that long.
warped jungle
When you get into character enough it starts to become almost natural
tribal oxide
I don't mean that
I mean like I physically can't talk more than 30 minutes at a time or my voice goes out
covert linden
I cant do that because I get chronic headaches, and being in vr tht long would give me a definately intense one
plus I only sleep on call with my bf, I wouldnt wanna do that with all my friends
tribal oxide
I'll just be either hugging people at some times or maybe talking to someone about weather
Really awkwardly lol.
weary radish
Your lucky you can even do that my game lags to the point where I cant even see it move
boreal kelp
I might be on VRChat today..
boreal kelp
First, I'm going to try and figure out how to add a texture to the back of my model's shirt
covert linden
if youre just doing it on the back of it, you got to get the texture of the skirt and see if theres a back on it, and not that its just duplicated, and draw on top of htat
tribal oxide
mk
weary radish
Anyone know how long if gotta wait before I can use custom avatars?
covert linden
before you can Upload?*
covert linden
vrchat, you have to use vrchat which can be up to 20-40 hours of active gameplay
weary radish
BRUH
covert linden
but its not time based and special circumstances can occur. its to prevent exploitation.
This is it formally written
Becoming verified by the trust system is based on reaching a not time based trust score, which's exact algorithm is unknown to prevent exploitation.
You presumably need to play the game in a normal manner with your VRChat account, walking around, meeting people and also making some friends. Idling won't help.
According to many responses in this discord, a rough estimate would be 20-40 hours, but big exceptions are possible.
Make sure you are not using a steam or oculus account because those can not be verified and continue playing the game until you get a notification or e-mail.
http://help.vrchat.com/kb/article/27-why-cant-i-upload-avatars-or-worlds-yet
weary radish
Guess I'm not getting any custom avatars
covert linden
Why get custom avatars if you dont wanna play the game
weary radish
40 hours
covert linden
you dont plan to play the game for 40 hours yet u want avatars?
you can always get some from avatar worlds
boreal kelp
Adding texture.
covert linden
Adding one can be done in the materrial? section on the side hierchy, you can scroll down and there will be an image thingy
I am terrible at explaining that part lemme open blender 1sec
vocal shard
On average, people play for hundreds of hours, some thousands. 40 isn't that much if you're invested in the game, and goes by fast. But you don't need 40. I got it in 4 hours. It's different for everyone
boreal kelp
I only have 40 something hours
covert linden
I have 500
ivory axle
I have like 450 but the first time i uploaded it was like 4 hours
boreal kelp
Part of why I may have gotten upload access was that I started playing VRChat a little bit before Ugandan Knuckles hit (and crippled) the servers
and a day after merging my Steam account with VRChat account, I got upload access
covert linden
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/539842993797070860/585120233119809566/unknown.png
Here its in the corner hierchy >
Thats how I add or change my materials
boreal kelp
Sweet! Now I don't have to spend an hour or two mucking around with the .tso file (format that 3D Custom Girl mods use), importing the model to MMD, and well doing a lot of stuff over again
languid beacon
Iβve seen as quick as 16 hours
I feel like people who claim 40 just idle a lot and think it was necessary when it didnβt help at all
covert linden
I know someonw with 2k hours and theyre still stuck
languid beacon
At that point itβs probably accurate
And something they are doing is keeping them down
vocal shard
Dm me if u tryna be friends lol π
strange wagon
does anyone know if the rift s hibernates after a time?
headset and controller lights are still on lol.
tribal oxide
It does.
strange wagon
ah gud
Tbh i am quite impressed by the rift s. I didnt expect the lenses to be this sharp and the headset being this comfy.
Its actually so crisp
tribal oxide
I use a WMR, and it's just how you feel in it is what matters, if you wear it snugly and perfectly it has a very nice look to everything.
Though Rift S does a better job with the lenses
strange wagon
If you loose tracking the rift predicts what you're doing
tribal oxide
So does WMR
strange wagon
Its actually so good lol
tribal oxide
Except it's not as good ;-;
strange wagon
Pog
tribal oxide
Like you can move your arms around behind you for a solid 5 seconds
Before loosing tracking
How does the rift S track?
Cameras?
hybrid fiber
Hmmm thats strange
rough pulsar
5 cameras I believe on the Rift S
hybrid fiber
I think Vr Chat is crashing me due to me playing an audio ile on my mic
ruby needle
Multiple things
rough pulsar
Two front, two side and one top.
rough pulsar
They're the low frequency authoritive tracking, with IMUs and such for high frequency short range movements
tribal oxide
spelt, I can't do it.
the tracking on both headsets are good, just could be better.
For the WMR.
rough pulsar
Pretty much all VR hardware tracks by that kind of pairing, one system that runs fairly slow (still pretty fast, like 60hz) that can determine absolute position (Lighthouse, Constellation, Insight, etc) and high frequency IMUs (somewhere around 240Hz+) that are okay for short range motion, but are prone to drift and need to be regularly corrected by the other system.
There's a cool video somewhere on youtube showing the motion path of a vive controller being swung around by the strap, and you can see the path making sudden and small corrections each lighthouse laser sweep because of IMU drift.
strange wagon
with the rift s being already so sharp. i can't even tell how sharp index is gonna be
the jump from rift to rift s is insane.
rift s is currently the most crisp headset lens wise tbh
thought vive pro would look better but it looks quite worse than rift s.
vocal shard
The HP Reverb is much sharper than the Rift S
strange wagon
colors are different too.
vocal shard
But the Rift S lenses are better
tribal oxide
Ah poop, I just realized why my strange tracking idea doesn't work.
vocal shard
I hear that while the Index screen is sharper than the Rift S, it still has a smaller sweetspot
boreal kelp
Looks like applying new texture to the back of a shirt is not as easy I thought.. https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/303746604610093066/585141598321377281/newtexture_error.png?width=936&height=566
boreal kelp
This is what the shirt looks like normally https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/303746604610093066/585141638096093230/beforenewtexture.png?width=936&height=566
rough pulsar
That sounds like the confusion between what they're defining 'sweet spot' as
strange wagon
i'd sell it too and keep the lighthouses and trackers
boreal kelp
Wish there was a way to move textures around in Blender
rough pulsar
Where it's not actually the area of clarity, but the position on your head for maximum clarity
It makes sense the Rift S has to have a larger tolerable range of positional alignment due to the lack of mechanical IPD adjustment
The Index doesn't have to make such a compromise since it can actually move the lenses
vocal shard
You get what you pay for
elfin cloak
hallo
since that there is so many tutorials how to make some scripts that you can latter pack in your own new asset.
i will ask some question about something:
is it allowed to make deferent but similar function that someone assets has...
weather they are payable or not?
and what will happen if creator who create same or similar asset function that is writhen and coded on deferent way and put them available for free to everyone in unity store?
thanks in advance
simply put is it allowed to have same or similar idea and project like others do
and is it really word to make any scripted asset at all?
ruby needle
you can not use custom scripts
only whitelisted scripts work and are replaced on runtime.
elfin cloak
no no you dont understand...
i mean you create totally deferent but it is similar or same function like someone's as well
ruby needle
i dont know how that works law wise in your country
if you write your own solution with the same result it shouldnt be a problem unless its patented
umbral reef
Not sure how tis also VRC related really...
ruby needle
^
elfin cloak
i mean if you make your chaire i can make it as well but maybe on deferent way
so i know that is everywhere allowed
ruby needle
you will need to do the legal research your self for your country
regardless of what that says, in vrchat you can only use the existing whitelisted scripts
Nothing else.
So anything past that is nothing for this Discord 
.
elfin cloak
but why some people create and others can not create same or similar scripts why they are so special
rough pulsar
The only users who can use scripting in worlds are the VRC devs themselves.
Standard users can only use whitelisted scripts.
covert linden
Scripts can be very dangerous if we just let people use them whenever
carmine merlin
Why is it that more and more people are afraid of bans because of avatars? Seriously this is getting outta hand
elfin cloak
wow ok then
now i know
it's disappointing but that is true
thanks
in computer world copyright law and other things like that is engaged
but thanks goodness that is not in real life i mean if you live in middle of woods and you dont have chaire to seat you will make your own
and no any furniture industry has a rights to suede you
covert linden
because you can be banned for having an avatar that breaks TOS?
carmine merlin
Thatβs just ridiculous! My favorite creator took down her avatars now bc they were unoptimized... not even lewd or anything
It canβt be right that just bc of that - you can get a ban
ruby needle
You shouldn't get banned for unoptimized avatars
carmine merlin
I get nsfw avatars in public worlds but that shit
ruby needle
Unless they are so bad, and you purposely lack people with them the worst that should be done is taking the worlkd offline / delete the avatar (unless its a repeated case)
rough pulsar
Unless they're maliciously unoptimized (like 500 skinned mesh renderers each with a particle system, etc) poor performance avatars won't lead to a ban for that alone.
carmine merlin
Itβs just regular avatars. With animations and not even cancerous shaders at all
They are not. Sheβs a very good creator
median basalt
@carmine merlin which creator, if I may ask?
Uh, that one definitely falls into "maliciously optimized" territory, sorry.
Also they modified the SDK to bypass poly limits
carmine merlin
I love her avatars, but now u canβt get her avatars
carmine merlin
No she doesnβt, she is a nice person
Why are larens not banned if Hannahβs avatars needs to be taken down?
median basalt
Good question, Larens and Krogenit's avatars should be taken down too. I sent several reports but they didn't act on any of them.
Moderation is extremely inconsistent, but I won't shed any tears for hannah's avatars
covert linden
@carmine merlin IF they were using a modded sdk thats likely why
carmine merlin
Just because you donβt like them doesnβt mean that others wonβt. Especially people who donβt make avatars.
ruby needle
Its not about liking them
vocal shard
carmine merlin
Who doesnβt use a modded sdk ? EVERY creator on vrchat
covert linden
Its about them wrecking performance and creating people to lose performance.
I dont use a modded sdk, there is absolutely NO reason to use one. If youre uploading avatars with a modded sdk, you deserve the ban.
ruby needle
@carmine merlin if you still need a modded SDK with the new limits you are anythign but a creator
carmine merlin
Iβm not a creator.
covert linden
There is a 70k poly limit, which is very very forgiving. There is now no reason to have a modded SDK. Its EASSY to optimize down.
rough pulsar
Also if it's found you are using a modded SDK that's against the TOS and will lead to moderation action.
ruby needle
thats not what that ment @carmine merlin 
carmine merlin
I use other peopleβs avatars , thatβs why Iβm sad that this happens
covert linden
Well then dont use avatars that break TOS
rough pulsar
time to start making your own I guess Β―_(γ)_/Β―
covert linden
Its not hard to find a model under 70k polys, I dont even think theres a dynb limit atm
carmine merlin
How can you make them optimized then? Is there even a way?
covert linden
and most people stopped using a modded sdk once the limit was raised to 70k.. because 20k to 70k thats a lot and more than a majority need. My model, I didnt decimate it at all, and its only 40k Polys.
Yes there is, CATS (in blender) makes it so easy, you can do it in 2 clicks.
carmine merlin
Oh okay. Is there a guide? (Iβm stupid idk how to blender even)
ruby needle
with 70k you can make whole worlds as avatars 
covert linden
Yes there are many guides
ruby needle
and im not talking about super simple ones
covert linden
Kareeda has a great assortment of vrchat avatar tutorials, As does tupper, he has his mega tutorial in which he mocks you if you dont have a mouse
carmine merlin
So we canβt have nice avatars anymore ;-; that will get rid of dynamic bones and stuff right?
covert linden
No? it wont...?
pastel galleon
you shouldn't need to change the sdk anymore lol
covert linden
Blender is where you optimize the avatars, you get their poly count down from whatever, to a decent amount, you rig it etc. UNITY is where you do dynamic bones, They have nothing to do with eachother. Your hair can still move.
carmine merlin
How should I know, Iβm not a creator thatβs why I ask :)) thx u for helping me btw
median basalt
Lmao, the 70k poly limit is super forgiving
I was prepared for the poly limit to be 65k and I would have been fine with that too
carmine merlin
Used vrc for 2 years and Iβm still behind lol
median basalt
But instead it's 70k which is even better. No excuses anymore.
pastel galleon
.M, always check their performance stats, and don't use really laggy avatars in public
rough pulsar
You do optimizations along the entire pipeline.
Polys, material counts, bone merging, mesh joining and atlasing in blender, then stuff like material setup and texture size & compression and such in unity.
covert linden
You want under 100 Dynamic Bone components per avatar (And even 100 is A LOT but asking that of public worlds is a big augh..)
ONE material, and under 70k Polys.
for public avatars I mean not for uploading
rough pulsar
Or be like me and use avatars that straight up don't need dynamic bones at all
covert linden
I use 50 Dynb
pastel galleon
imo as lons as there aren't collision checks dynamic bones won't affect the performance that much
ruby needle
they do
pastel galleon
at least I haven't noticed that much of a difference by turning them off with the limiter, either that or the limiter is really broken
covert linden
Yeah I feel the same way, thats Why I dont optimize my DYNB much, I dont use colliders. BUT if someone comes to me, and tells me im lagging them, Id jump to unity in a second and fix it.
rough pulsar
Just dynamic bones Vs DB+colliders is quite a difference
Fortunately I don't care since my limiter settings are very aggressive.
ruby needle
collission checks just make it insanely worse insanely quick because they can easily multiply the calculations done.
rigid crescent
Your 50 DB alone aren't an issue no, but rarely are your 50 the only ones.
atomic tusk
I have my DB limiter set to block DB completely and I didn't affect my FPS at all having it blocked...but then again I'm not on a toaster
pastel galleon
But you shouldn't need that many dynamic bones if placed correctly
covert linden
Yeah, im mainly in just a friends + room, so theres not many of us destroying performance
rough pulsar
90% of avatars with DB can get the same look with 1/5th of what they have.
rigid crescent
It's easier to be lazy and just throw it on than properly paint them
pastel galleon
I just leave it off cause it changes nothing at least for me
atomic tusk
I'm just waiting for the auto-block for having too many draw calls option
rigid crescent
All draw calls aren't equal tho are they
ruby needle
pls yes cus else people dont care.
covert linden
I hate fur shaders so much
rigid crescent
So that wouldn't be super accurate
atomic tusk
there's a fur shader that isn't that much of a hit on performance
rough pulsar
Not as bad as unlit when in a dark room
Obey physics, people!
covert linden
they still hit it
rigid crescent
Just like blocking via performance ranking
covert linden
My friend has a model with a scarf and a fur shader and anytime I look at her there goes my frames, but its a public avatar
covert linden
I lost almost 10-20 frames so I dont think so
rigid crescent
Probably not lol
rough pulsar
I know someone who has a 'fur' shader that only murders your frames if you smash your face right into it. I think it's tesselation based.
covert linden
Hers wasnt too bad from far but the second I tried to hug her, 45fps to 15 reaaal fast In vr
pastel galleon
Xiexie should have an optimized fur shader
atomic tusk
I really like how people try to justify having over 4 materials
covert linden
Its a public avatar so she cant change it sadly
my boyfriend has over 4 materials because he changes all the colours in unity, oppose to blender and hes not the best at atlassing yet, I feel like he has another reason but idek xD
atomic tusk
manual atlasing is super easy to do
pastel galleon
Still better than 80% of the users
atomic tusk
a 4k manual atlas gives so much better performance
covert linden
He hasnt learned how yet, hes been doing particles. He has 10 :P which is a lot and ive told him its a lot
rigid crescent
I don't know how I'd get any if the effects I have with 4 materials lol
covert linden
I have literally 1
pastel galleon
Does a 4k atlas badly affect performance compared to 1080?I only atlas in 4k for good quality and so I don't have more than 1-2 materials
rigid crescent
Seeing as I use more than 3 shaders lol
covert linden
Makes sense, I use one
rough pulsar
4k for your atlas is usually about as large as you need to go
gives you 16 'tiles' of 1024, or 4 of 2048
atomic tusk
4k atlas just eats a bit more ram and is a larger filesize
pastel galleon
I still compress them in unity tho
rough pulsar
when I atlas I usually end up with a 2k for the face, body and hands, then 1k and lower in the spare area with stuff like eyes, mouth, teeth, etc.
atomic tusk
you'll still run better than someone with 4 2k materials and 8 1k materials
I compress my atlas with mali texture compressor to reduce the filesize
ruby needle
Atalasing should always bee done yeah, even if you need multiple atlases in the end
atomic tusk
I can reduce it from 5 megs down to 3 and half
pastel galleon
I use crunch compression, I think that only affects file size
atomic tusk
it doesn't
ruby needle
crunch is like JPG compressiong with lossyness
rough pulsar
As a general rule, if your texture is just a single contunuous chunk of data in memory it's gonna be better than a lot of small separate ones.
atomic tusk
it affects how much memory the texture uses
vocal shard
Feels bad when you have 2 4K textures one for pants and the other for a hoodie
rough pulsar
I'm not 100% sure on why though
pastel galleon
Oh
atomic tusk
if you want to truely reduce the filesize you have to compress it outside of unity
ruby needle
the interesting thing is the size it has after decompression in memory tho
vocal shard
Compressed textures can look disgusting if done incorrectly
pastel galleon
I can still retain the same quality even by crunch compressing
I'll try reducing the size in my next model tho
rough pulsar
Textures generally use one of the BCn formats, so it's best to use uncompressed (or at least lossless) textures in unity, as they'll be compiled to the format specified in the texture import inspector.
median basalt
Crunch affects filesize of the bundle
On desktop, it also reduces RAM usage but not VRAM usage
median basalt
Yep
You may be able to tailor the shader to be slightly more optimized for a particular model, but then it wouldn't work as well on another one anymore
Like reducing the maxvertexcount and having a fixed amount of iterations
Or better yet, you can take the geometry duplication method that XSFur uses, and "bake" it directly into the mesh
That's what a friend of mine did, he managed to make something with Standard Cutout that looked like a fur shader. Looked amazing too, because Standard has good lighting.
Adds quite a few polys though, so only really works on low poly meshes
boreal kelp
I think I'm just not going to worry about adding new texture to the back of my avatar's shirt for now..
boreal kelp
When did the Great Pug start expanding its territory? https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/303746604610093066/585171853694205955/newlocation.png?width=724&height=567
median basalt
Good move as the regular Pug wouldn't be able to support Quest users
covert linden
The pug always makes my frames die. I was hoping hed optimize the actual pug but nope
hollow breach
^
median basalt
The Pug isn't too bad for me nowadays
tribal oxide
I don't know why but any mirror causes huge problems to my frames
from 90 to like 10
median basalt
It's probably decently optimized, any performance issues could probably be blamed on the large playercount or the game itself. Not a huge fan of the mixed lights but apparently they turn off when not visible so that isn't an issue.
boreal kelp
This game of never have I ever is not going well..
median basalt
Last time I complained about Pug performance, it turned out the game had a bug where static batching didn't work. I'm very wary of blaming world creators for performance problems unless there's an obvious issue, like a complete lack of baked lights
rigid crescent
I haven't actually been to West yet
median basalt
I have. It's depressingly small
It's like the first room of the Pug (with the bar), except cut in half. That's all there is
The max players is 8, which is sensible for such a platform
The map manages to make the best of the Quest though
rigid crescent
Oh forgot about the player limit lol
pastel galleon
8 hard limit?
rigid crescent
Probably as hard of a limit as PC worlds are.
languid beacon
Vrchat world limits are soft limits, at capacity it stops showing up in world search so you will no longer get randoms. But friends can continue to join until double capacity
rigid crescent
Oh is it double? I swear I've seen more in a pug with streamers in it lol
Actually I think it was 40-something so that'd be about double
median basalt
Hard limits are twice the regular limit
So The Pug West just about nailed it, because after 14 people Quest becomes very hard to play
languid beacon
14 5k single mat avatars? Or 13 pc bots?
median basalt
Avatar doesn't matter at that point
It's the game itself. I wonder if the Quest nameplates are more optimized than the ones on PC?
Because for a while, the nameplates were a ridiculous amount of drawcalls. And now with the new Quest/PC icons, it might be even worse
humble totem
@median basalt We adjusted the nameplates in 2019.2.2 to make them batch better. They're two batches normally, and three with your quick menu open.
median basalt
Oh I see, awesome!
rigid crescent
So....placebo? Lol
Because theyve been fixed for a month if that's the case
Or coming up on one
boreal kelp
I figured out how to play music through my mic.
However, the moment I tried to load into the Great Pug, the game crashed
sterile drift
rigid crescent
Basically lol
languid beacon
Do you need 2F for EVERY log in? Needing your phone before your put on a headset is a bit annoying
rigid crescent
I mean isn't that the point
ruby needle
No
the point is to need it aditionaly to your normal credentials on a login
but you dont need to login every time when you store the token
rigid crescent
Well yeah needing it on login not being annoying
languid beacon
Not really. I have 2F on discord but I donβt need a code every time I launch it. But I do for 2F on Twitch and steam . Thatβs why Iβm asking about the implementation
rigid crescent
Oh like when logging in from another source
languid beacon
Oh thatβs bad I wonβt use tbtjen
ruby needle
or you get logged out
languid beacon
Oh if not stored thatβs fine the
Though vrc loves to log me out of the SDK so that would really need to be fixed
ruby needle
do you login to the website often?
i heard that is one of the sources invaildating older tokens and having to relogin
(it's anoying 
)
shadow wagon
hey i got a update just now. what happened? (not on beta)
shadow wagon
oh ok thanks
languid beacon
Yeah I saw that thread itβs filled with misinformation
Thinks the quest can handle Pc polygons
Doesnβt understand dual blueprint setup
I know when I get a quest people are gonna be like βbut how do you have 32K polysβ
languid beacon
Whoever thought of the dual blueprint thing is a genius though
median basalt
Worlds have been doing it for ages
We asked for the same system for different unity versions but that never happened
covert linden
awesome, Im not gonna make horrible avatars or anything, but for some reason I thought it was super strict
limber spoke
i just dropped my hot pocket
reef gale
but aren't you doing the same thing?
languid beacon
Cut him some slack it might not be off-topic we donβt know all the details
What flavor of hot pocket was it
ruby needle
Correct Adeon
slate verge
vocal shard
reef gale
slate verge
so today i learned about "not public worlds"
reef gale
today?
sacred linden
Hoi
If anyone wants to hear someone talk about their problems dm me. I really need to vent. T w T
vocal shard
Yikes
sacred linden
Sorry...
vocal shard
I suggest finding someone you know irl to vent to it's much better for you mental health that way
sacred linden
I know it's out of the blue.
That's the problem..
I don't have anyone to talk to about this stuff irl.
vocal shard
Talk to your parents
sacred linden
They wont understand as always
vocal shard
Then explain it to them in a way they can understand
sacred linden
I've tried
gleaming tulip
In blender I deleted some verticies but not all the wire frames deleted with them, can't select them and not sure how to delete, any one know how to get rid of?
https://i.postimg.cc/yYSxPYtj/frame.jpg
....Nevermind, found there is a select mode for edge lines, DERP π
slate verge
might wanna use #avatars-2-general for help next time though
gleaming tulip
Sadly it takes days to get a repply there though for a quick question
slate verge
you're right it does feel like that, but eventually. You can always check youtube tutorials though.
delicate perch
Ah, the classic rogue verts. Go to edit mode > vert select the ones you don't want and delete.
twilit hinge
chu chu ~ Toga
lime umbra
Got kicked from a room with only 1 user: me. How does that even happen ? Lol
slate verge
server issues maybe?
desert stratus
idk
lime umbra
First time i ever seen a moderation notice.
desert stratus
maybe the vrc code has reached a next level of spaghetti that it now has a mind of its own
lol*
lime umbra
Maybe its a sign ... Get out there and be social w the other vrc people.
desert stratus
hey just because it would have a mind of its own doesnt mean it would be intelligent lol
twilit hinge
hmmm
desert stratus
"hey guys its tupper here, back at it again with the August 2019 VRChat developer stream. im proud to announce that the code has become sentient and will now develop the game all on its own. we're done here."
lime umbra
Lol
gusty tundra
Anyone having problem with VRChat logging out and logging back in when trying to join a public server or friends? This happened to me pretty often now when I'm on VR but when I'm just on desktop only, it doesn't happen.
vocal shard
so whys quest and pc avatars separate? can somebody teach me? i dont know much about it.
you think they will eventually merge them so i can see my friends avatars? cause most of the avatars are only for pc, and it kinda sucks.
buddy your gonna have to use a few more words so i can understand what your trying to say..
covert linden
I can help u Siempre just gimmi a second to type
ornate finch
performance
vocal shard
alrighty, waiting.
covert linden
its not performance.
vocal shard
i didnt think that it was
covert linden
So basically, a Pc runs on a PC version of the game. And the quest, is actually designed on a snapdragon, which is a mobile processor. A mobile processor, CANNOT see any Pc assets, and PCs cannot view Mobile assets. Thus, they have to be put seperately.
rancid vessel
Guys whoever told me to build my own pc a while back or told me to avoid ibuypoewr was a genius.. ibuypower is a headache.. Idk if this is the right place to say it but.. yea.. Save yourself the headaches π¦
ornate finch
No it's performance
covert linden
no, its exactly what I said.
ornate finch
yes shaders can be compiled for different platforms but the main reason is performance
covert linden
However the quest had to be heavily downgraded to be able to run, because its also not capable of running anything similar to the pc (EVEN if it was all mobile assets)
no, the main reason is because Mobile cannot see pc assets..
The reason for everything needing to be downgraded for quest, is performance, but not why theyre split platformed.
vocal shard
that sucks. you think they will ever use a different processor or try to fix the issue?
i hope they do. theyd have to fix the weight issue first though
covert linden
On the quest no, itll only ever be mobile. Maybe one day theyll put a stronger system in it, but its not likely for anytime soon
vocal shard
rip me man
ornate finch
i'm telling you it's performance but π€·
covert linden
And even if there was a better processor, the system would need a MASSIVE upgrade, to be able to run what pc can
Literally anyone will tell you exactly what im saying, mobile assets and pc assets arent compatible.
vocal shard
yeah, rip me. wireless is what ive always wanted, but i guess it comes at a cost
covert linden
vive has wireless
ornate finch
yes they aren't compatible but that doesn't imply you can't have assets compiled for different platforms
vocal shard
of course vive has wireless
too bad its way out of my price range and i dont have nearly enough room for it π
covert linden
The quest also cant run anything yeah, but thats just the reason theyre split platform.
vocal shard
pluss, i dont like vives controllers. way to chunky and just seem less premium than the oculus ones
covert linden
well the oculus S only has one wire
vocal shard
yeahh i know that, im gettin the Quest cause i cant afford a high end computer
im in a tight space right now for money
covert linden
You caqn get a pc vr ready for mmm 600-800$ USD, unlesss thats still too much
vocal shard
im a big guy for graphics, thats why im kinda upset.
covert linden
You just gotta build it, makes it worlds cheaper
Every single game on the quest had to be downgraded to a large extent
vocal shard
mm yeah i know
covert linden
I built my pc for 650ish USD, But im in Canada so it was 1k for me
vocal shard
its getting very good ratings, i think ill stick with oculus. thats a little too much for me right now
or maybe ill wait for oculus quest 2
might be a lonng while though
covert linden
the 2 would be YEARS away, people are loving the quest despite the limitaitons so if you feel its worth it it likely will be
keep in mind it took what 5 years for a second rift to come out?
vocal shard
yeah. and the second rift wasnt even a good one π
covert linden
Actually it is really good
vocal shard
oh?
covert linden
There was a lot of hatred at first when we only knew a bit, but now that we know more its actually a good headset
vocal shard
every review ive seen is people just bashing it
covert linden
many people even sell their vives for the rift S
vocal shard
well alright
covert linden
Well heres a review from a friend, who has a vive and a rift s
First off, IPD adjustment is way better.
Secondly, I can actually use my glasses with it
Third, Headphones fit snugly on it
Fourth, The headset itself is cozy as heck
Fifth, The tracking's way better than i thought it'd be, and i can actually reach behind myself a bit.
Sixth, Guardian. It's so great because i press a button, and bam i can see my room, and walk around.
Seventh, Controllers feel great and natural, unlike with the vive controllers where i feel like i'm holding two big sticks
8th, Don't even notice the Refresh rate change from 90 to 80, It still feels smooth and cozy.
And finally, No base stations to set up.
covert linden
The tracking is compared to three sensor rift tracking, it can fit glasses which the OG couldnt, it has an outstanding guardian, and roomscale is super nice
vocal shard
just to make sure its what i really want
vocal shard
this man frightens me
prisma hemlock
yeet
covert linden
bro stop spamming
dont pretend like you cant speak english, No spamming, as simple as that.
ivory frost
FWI Po People. I just tested VRchat with an old Dell Optiplex 990 i7-2600k that I had added a 1050ti and a USB 3.0 card too.....it seemed plenty legit. Might lag a little in the usual places a little but the whole thing only cost me $350 not counting the SSD I added. It's not my main PC. I used it for Aces High before I discovered VR, but you can play this game without being rich.
I actually tested it with a Used Vive I bought for $260. I had to fix one of the trackpads on a controller. Otherwise PC VR for $710 PC and everything...
gleaming tulip
Trying to upload my fist blend avatar, why is the VRCCam making the avatar distorted and deformed? No Matter what angle I try the picture is messed up
covert linden
uh is ur avatar ok xD
gleaming tulip
avatar works fine, just the picture is messed up in VRCCam when uploading
vocal shard
When you're not trying to upload, does it do that when you just enable play mode?
gleaming tulip
Not sure what play mode is but the image distorts in the #scene tab as well
gleaming tulip
meh, just added a cube with a picture to make the avatar thumnail, like it better anyways lol
slate verge
i think i'm gonna bring slendy tubbies to vrchat...Hm....~
turbid girder
does vrchat accept Oculus Rift S?
vocal shard
Yes. Pretty much anything that runs on steamvr or the Oculus client works
fathom swan
vivid oar
club transcendia
there's a 3d fractals world too
don't remember what it's called but just search fractal
rigid crescent
A world called "a trip"
vocal shard
oh duuuude i am on some siiiick shit awww maaan
tender abyss
let's try pubg lite
kindred briar
you can't cancel a emote. it'll play until it reaches the 45 second override if it's longer then that.
vocal shard
hm okay. thanks
kindred briar
np
silver hatch
How do you do emotes for custom avatars
cold talon
Oh you got nikkei?
eternal tartan
so... anyone wanna hang out for a bit?
mortal patrol
i can't play vrchat right now.. sry
eternal tartan
oh do not worry
cold talon
So you need to add a avatar override controller on tha nikkei to have the animation slots
final zodiac
Guys do I play VRChat too much if I can see a faint imprint of the red mic icon anywhere I go?
vernal forge
Only if you unmute yourself before you talk
lost cobalt
@final zodiac never too much VRChat xD
final zodiac
Lmao
languid beacon
After 2000 hours I have no sign of burn in on my Rift though I never mute myself. I can imagine the muted icon world burn in its much more solid. You can disable the icon as well though you have to do it every time you log in
tacit plank
The icons flicker to avoid burnin I believe
tribal oxide
Hello.
vernal forge
hewo there
tribal oxide
What's up?
covert linden
I like your new pfp
tribal oxide
Thanks.
vernal forge
things are looking up , just like desktop avatar's head when squatting down
covert linden
LOL
vernal forge
it is bad , i dont know how to head pat now
final zodiac
Whoever mod changed my name, can you change it to Bleeding? That's my VRChat in-game name
covert linden
Change your own username..
final zodiac
Yeah just found out I could do that lol
winter kiln
yo does anyone know a life hack to download vr chat on mac
rigid crescent
"Don't" would be one.
vocal shard
Boot camp to install a copy of windows on your mac
languid beacon
Surprised a unity game wouldnβt have a Mac build
winter kiln
true
rough pulsar
Graphics APIs are different on Mac OS (OpenGL/Metal/whatever) and means another platform to support. Along with most Macs being at the lower end in terms of GPU power.
languid beacon
Surely more powerful than a quest
heady nimbus
vocal shard
Hmm. I'm just going in blind here since I don't actually know much about the topic. But from what I can see. The Quest Snapdragon 835 uses Arduino 540 graphics. Apparently that is more powerful than Intel hd 630 graphics. So the quest actually is more powerful than some Mac laptops since many used Intel hd 620/630 graphics.
Please correct me if I'm wrong. I'm just going by some Google searches since I don't know much about it myself
It's somewhat more powerful than a Nintendo Switch.
covert linden
@vocal shard its stronger than my 630
vernal forge
My bad ,i was joking about the new apple monitor stand that costs 999
tribal oxide
-<
vernal forge
You could actually get vr ready pc with that instead of buying a monitor . . . stand
covert linden
Apple alwayd overprices
What disgusts me is they use the same pc parts not even special mac ones
And people call iy "better for animating and editing"
vernal forge
For 4999 . . I dont know about that chief
covert linden
For 4999 I could get a super computer
Or
A mac
I could get a pc thatll have no issue ever running anything for 4999
Or a mac
vernal forge
The choice is so clear. We are see through
covert linden
Why do people even get macs other than company loyalty
Im tired of being told I need one becausee macs are made for it and ill never be able to do what a mac can
vernal forge
I dont know , the only mac i know that are popular here is mac nuggets
tribal oxide
Whenever I hear mac I think of Fry from Futurama, I don't know why
heavy dawn
Macs are super popular for designers. Companies buy macs for them basically by default.
Some shops give developers all macbook pros as well.
TBH I'll never buy one. If you love them, enjoy. They're overpriced planned obsolescence crap and I can fix my own machine. The only thing I'd recommend them for is Applecare, and even that is crap because they'll tell you that you need a whole new motherboard if, say, your laptop's flex cable for the keyboard breaks.
Although... there is that new LTT video where a VM'ed hackintosh beats the performance of the bare metal machine in Windows 10
winter kiln
soooo.... can i play vr chat on mac or not???
heavy dawn
Sure
vocal shard
Mac in 2019 π€‘
heavy dawn
Really? I thought there was a macOS client.
tribal oxide
I used to use a mac in my elementary school
covert linden
No there isnt
tribal oxide
the crappy one
covert linden
Vrc is windows only
heavy dawn
Wow... like why? There's literally no reason for that.
Unity3D is a click away from compiling for any platform. Weird.
Guess they don't want to be arsed to maintain it.
covert linden
Mac prb cant handle vr
@winter kiln TDLR No. On your mac you cannot play vrchat, without bootcamping Windows.
heavy dawn
Any old modern mac can probably handle desktop though. But you're right only a mac with a discreet video card would have a chance of 90 frames in 2 eyes solid.
winter kiln
when i bootcamp windows its extremely slow
covert linden
Well its the only way you can play
winter kiln
true
covert linden
Or buy a pc thats windows based qnd not mac
winter kiln
or that