Only HTC makes Vive’s. There are no non-HTC Vive’s. I wouldn’t get either of them, but if you really specifically want a vive for some reason and not an Index, go for the pro I guess.
#vrchat-general-2
languid beacon
inner cape
vive is a colab of valve and htc
languid beacon
It’s not. It’s entirely a HTC product. Valve made the technology and open sourced it.
Third time is a charm, TheDragonScion
languid beacon
There is a specific website that the devs do not like or want used.
rustic berry
yikes
velvet quarry
The website knowingly deals with content that is against the terms of service and a good portion of it is malicious.
rustic berry
Okay, that is understandable
was afraid I will get banned for mentioning those sites
so how is everyone doing?
desert stratus
good good
dont worry about it lol not everyone is aware of the horrors of the forbidden site at first anyway
slate verge
why can't i login steam anymore? it won't let me play vrchat
desert stratus
just take care cuz there's shady content in more than just one website being passed around amongst creators nowadays 0 0
slate verge
does anyone here have steam login problems atm
desert stratus
you cant log into steam?
vocal shard
Just use the vrchat website and launch the game from there
slate verge
i didn't even know we can do that tf
vocal shard
You can
slate verge
yeah, that was odd
hasty wedge
its maint every tuesday
vocal shard
It's only Tuesday? 
vocal shard
Ikr
indigo fern
you have to be at least 13 to be here, so hes not looking for people to talk to 🤔
queen mango
@indigo fern Didn't you see him type in random chat days ago?
indigo fern
@queen mango nice ping
queen mango
Unnecessary, just a force of habit
indigo fern
its okay, you just wanted my attention is all 👁
dreamy hearth
Hi there, does anyone know a place where I can upload a VRchat avatar and allow everyone to use it?
tiny ginkgo
you can either let people clone it from you, or host it in a vrc world (your own or someone else's)
plush kettle
Textures don't seem to be loading from any avatar which (I assume) I hadn't seen before. Is this an "I should delete cached stuff" issue?
(I'm new enough that it hadn't happened before)
tiny ginkgo
did you do something in Safety Settings?
plush kettle
No
vocal shard
If you turn shaders off on some models they will appear to be a flat opaque color the same as their name as their rank
plush kettle
I've been seeing a lot though
vocal shard
Have you already deleted your cache or no
plush kettle
It got better
silk current
Any news on why most video players are broken atm?
vocal shard
Anyone else being constantly kicked(without actually being vote kicked) from servers and back to their home?
Servers are under stress it's happening to a lot of other people
Ah. RIP...
mild dragon
This the right channel to talk about VR headsets or can someone point out the right channel to talk about it?
rustic berry
Maybe, depends if you are going to play VRchat with it
desert stratus
every day man
vocal shard
Even worse cause of the crashers and script kiddies.
desert stratus
im just waiting for that new API and lts 2018 supoort man
desert stratus
at this point playinf vrchat is resigning my pc to dealing with crashes every half hour
vocal shard
I mean, at this point VRChat doesn't need crashers to crash people anymore, the game crashes people itself.
desert stratus
next-level
desert stratus
lts 2018 gives the game yhe opportunity to run fast as fucc boi
and rn i have no doubt that it will be on the dev's priority list after they sort out the udon and quest fuckery
both upgrading to the new unity version and fixing performance issues
vocal shard
Knowing VRChat? Probably doing nothing to fix the servers.
rustic berry
Vrchat is down?
pale osprey
Server sucks I lag
desert stratus
server issues are only gonna get worse if the quest and a vrchat quest community blows up lol
vocal shard
What else is new
rustic berry
I did not know that was a regular problem, except when there was a huge influx of players from like 2 years ago
desert stratus
until the devs buy better/more servers and do more work on their new api stuffs
vocal shard
Game needs better devs or servers. Is their a way to donate money to VRChat to get a better servers?
rustic berry
If VRchat also had some more optimization, that could also help reduce the load on the server
vocal shard
Most of the needed optimization is on the player base
Or if people weren't using crashers or obnoxious shaders.
hidden lake
You can buy merch but funding for VRchat comes from sponsors
rustic berry
Definitely it could be player based optimization, but it could also be from using an older version of the Unity Engine
hidden lake
Probably just some rich people who enjoy the game and sponsor it for free
desert stratus
while most of the optimization at the end of the day does fall on us, it doesnt change the fact that games like robo recall run better than this
vocal shard
Who rained on your sunny day buck
desert stratus
as well as a lot of vr games with better graphics and more physics going on
vocal shard
Well they need to hire new Devs then.
hidden lake
Plus sponsors help the game get into a more stable state and help them figure out monetization, if ever, before an actual full "Launch"
vocal shard
Because VRChat is going to S***.
desert stratus
idk it exactly myself since i didnt read up on it too well but apparently the devs want to "network the ik," whatever that means
rustic berry
Maybe they don't have enough coders and more designers?
desert stratus
vrchat hasnt rlly been going to shit lets be real here
vocal shard
With every update, most stuff breaks than gets fixed.
hidden lake
I think that means just better managing the IK
Maybe offloading the IK from the processor to the servers, so that IK calculations aren't client based
desert stratus
its a hack of a game but like vr itself its been steadily growing here and there and will only continue to grow, and were lucky that the devs which i can count on my fingers are still working on it years later with money they got from htc 2 years ago
actually shit you have a point
rustic berry
VRchat heavily relies on the CPU rather than the GPU, so more graphic card integration would be beneficial
desert stratus
is there a reason for ik to be calculated bt the client at all?
hidden lake
Not really, I don't think
vocal shard
Honestly they should either hire people who know what they're doing or give the game to people who can fix it and make it work.
hidden lake
I'm not a network guy. That's just my best bet with what "Networking IK" means
indigo fern
Pretty sure they tested networked ik earlier but it was scuffed and taxed the servers too hard, was rolled back
hidden lake
The downside is you'd be receiving more packets from the server
desert stratus
lag everyone out by changing your code so that way logins, friend requests, and invites are no longer hogging more than half of your server space
hidden lake
Which is already an issue with FBT, and could possibly send more considering how they do knuckles support
desert stratus
take the basic fucking animations that control how humanoid avatars move and do things and let the new empty space in the servers to fuck with them rather than the client
my internet would tank but idrc if it means that my pc would run better as a result
and as for hiring people, like i said: they cant really do that
they havent monetized the game (i just lost the game lol <@/) at all so afaik they only significant investment money they got was 2 million from htc back in like 2017 or 2018
hidden lake
Damn it, lost the game
indigo fern
Yo wtf, just lost the game
desert stratus
the people who started this game were doing it for free anyway, as like a hobby more than anything
indigo fern
You can't just say that out loud, cmon man
rustic berry
yikes, rip
vocal shard
Meh. But now it's nearly unplayable.
desert stratus
so if anyone else wants to work on it theb they actually have to, ykno, want to work on it, unless they actually get paid
hidden lake
I asked a while ago about monetization because it would be cool to support the devs
vocal shard
Hell, I'll start paying them if they actually try to fix the game instead of just "MAKE IT PRETTIER, CHANGE THE HOME WORLD."
desert stratus
some peeps built off an idea i had earlier and we agreed that having user-paid-for ads between loading screens could potentially be neat
vocal shard
Stabilizing the servers should always be a first priority, shouldn't it?
desert stratus
not corporate ads
hidden lake
That would be cool, I could see that
desert stratus
just boxes where content creators cn send money to the devs to advertise new worlds and avatars
or for streamers/youtubers
rustic berry
Probably the devs did not expect VRchat to grow exponentially very quickly
desert stratus
some people already do this in their own worlds for free anyway like the pug
indigo fern
Theyre devs, yea they get paid, they hire workers, they even have a career section on the site
desert stratus
not enough to pay a game dev team but its definitely a start
a patreon or somethin similar would also be nice
vocal shard
Still, I'll say they should work on fixing the servers before anything else and I'll leave it at that... Fix your s*** VRchat.
hidden lake
I'd donate to a patreon
rustic berry
same
desert stratus
hell just make the game worth 10 or 20 dollars, ill re buy it and it will probably throw off all of the script client kiddies out of sheer immature rage
hidden lake
Or even a subscription service in game for some extra features
desert stratus
idk abour a subscription service
that sounds like the "avatar currency" idea someone came up with a while ago
rustic berry
Even if they just did what CSGO does and offer the game for free with limited features vs paying $15 to unlock more options for avatars or worlds
desert stratus
what would it even offer?
hidden lake
I wouldn't want to take away features for sure
What I'd suggest is a specialized user tag, as well as maybe some more quick customization options
desert stratus
because "more avatars and worlds" is a fuzzy and dangerous thing to both define and price-lock in a game thats 100% user-driven
in terms of avatars and worlds
hidden lake
Customizable gestures without having to ever touch the SDK, props
rustic berry
I was thinking more like the free version would have what is currently in VRchat, but maybe the paid version can allow more scripts on avatars
hidden lake
I agree though, it is difficult to give extra stuff
indigo fern
Scripts on avatars is a big no, it also shouldn't be something too huge
desert stratus
cough vrchat battlepass cough
indigo fern
Maybe just like, more favorite slots or something
hidden lake
I'd love though quick controls too
rustic berry
it is definitely difficult to add more stuff for avatars
hidden lake
Imagine changing the hue of your character with a slider
Or even applying a matcap to a character from a few pre selected ones
hidden lake
And again, props. It'd be cool to stand in a mirror and maybe add a top hat to your character that's parented to the bone it's attached to
vocal shard
Would keep the little kids off the game too, possibly.
desert stratus
yeah hobestly
hidden lake
I think making it paid is too harsh if I'm honest
Not that I wouldn't buy it but i could see tons of hate
vocal shard
Well, think of it this way.
desert stratus
a subscription doesnt sound like too hot of an idea, especially when you can implement most of these features with all sorts of avatar and world hacks that would make an indie dev cry
id rather just rebuy the game, donate money, snd turn the loading screen into a times square for content creators
hidden lake
That's true, but making it easier for someone would be nice as well
Especially quest users
vocal shard
Would you rather pay for the game and possibly have less script kiddies and less kids on it. Or keep it how it is and get more toxic people and kids being exposed to that stuff?
desert stratus
dude, im so sorry, but nobody on vrchat is gonna do something like that for free
unless yourereally good friends with someone
check out vrc traders for commissions
hidden lake
I think that's not necessarily solving the issue of funding but moreso just annoying kids
desert stratus
i think rebuying the game is definitely a start of solving the funding issue tho
even if it does lock up the community a little more
all the people id like to interact with are gonna buy it anyway if it comes to that
rustic berry
It definitely would, but it would also lose alot of players,
hasty wedge
yeet the poor out they dont have arms and ruin my immersions
vocal shard
I've seen kids as young as 7 and 8 play this game and there are people going around with crashers, and NSFW avatars in public... Let alone people yelling lewd things. Kids like to copy people. Do you REALLY wanna deal with what will come of all that? I think if people had to buy it it could help the game.
Yikes boomer energy there rabbitt
Boomer Energy?
indigo fern
Lmao, the internet exists, what's in vrc they've probably seen already, just maybe not as loud
vocal shard
^^^^^^^^^^^
Their parents need to watch their kids... Yikes.
What else is new
I wish neutering humans was legal in some cases.
Y I K E S
I'm not taking that back.
Why don't we start with you then
Because I'd be a better parent than them.
¯_(ツ)_/¯
rustic berry
That is a subjective opinion
desert stratus
idk man, wanting it to be legal to castrate people is kinda iffy but ok
vocal shard
And will probably have none since most don't want kids and man in my area aren't faithful. Not my fault.
*men
desert stratus
at the end of the day kids are kids and theyre gonna do retarded things whether their dad is all might or eric cartman
and theyll come into places they shouldve never treaded, like vrchat
i think the horrors of money is more appropriate then a new pair of scissors for hospitals in this case
rustic berry
Unfortunately, some hormones that are needed for living are found in the areas that would be neutered
desert stratus
ripperoni snipperoni
civic talon
Just made myself 65% more vr play area in my living room, now I can actually do shit!
rustic berry
nice
subtle prawn
Nice
urban jasper
I'll be closing on my house soon, I'm excited. Among other reasons, I'll have an entire room for my VR playspace
I can't wait to get it done and get in
rustic berry
Nice also
light wedge
ok why vr chat i join world get there about 2min and why got auto go home
rough flax
you broke the game
light wedge
i not broke game. some weird
fleet hedge
How do I check how many friends I have in vrchat? I press the offline tab but it doesn't keep count of all of them
Vrchat does that to me as well
stone pilot
Finally sold my Oculus, was fun while it lasted
fleet hedge
Mines broken but usable
vocal shard
Good for you literally everyone has it
yeah but its paid
and someone might not have it
grizzled sentinel
Hello :o
vocal shard
I feel like a damn idiot
made friends with an awesome animator the other day, forgot to add them on discord
grizzled sentinel
hM
hushed harness
lol judgemental people are so fun to roast XD
vocal shard
WHAT
gleaming jetty
hey uhm
gleaming jetty
@stone pilot aight fairs
tough girder
Good day people
wil it work if i use 2017 and 2018 trackers together
2x 2017 for the feet and one 2018 for the hip
neat wyvern
I've literally got elastic bands for my hip and leg trackers until I get some straps
kek
neat wyvern
I was gonna buy some regular old straps and just add velcro to them instead of going for the ones made for the trackers
Oh you mean the circle thingy with the blue
It's some sort of camera that can be accessed from the menu
Most people seem to use photo mode (On the quick menu, click on camera and click on photo mode)
Here's something from the VRChat website's guides page:
VRChive Panorama will also take a 360 panorama of the environment but instead of saving it to your pictures folder it instead uploads it to the VRChive website. There you can view panoramas taking by various users in VRChat.
@dusty finch
I think photo mode, video mode, etc. are for VR only or something idk
native topaz
wait is there a video mode?
neat wyvern
I saw a video mode when I was looking at videos about vrchat's camera settings
native topaz
ah I'll have to look into that
might be useful for youtube videos and stuff
I know there is the stream camera so maybe they meant that
inner cape
stream camera basically changes what it shows on the vrc window
so if you capture it with, lets say obs, you'll be able to capture your camera
native topaz
yea I have been using that for a while for streams and stuff, but a video mode in vrchat itself would be pretty cool as well
inner cape
what is this video mode youre speaking of?
inner cape
But, what do you mean by it? Like, video mode on what?
neat wyvern
idk what the video mode is supposed to actually do since I've never used it, but this is the video I saw it in:
https://youtu.be/AZtnpjfOluA?t=40
neat wyvern
kek
inner cape
so it does what i said above
they literally talk about what it does in the video too, so how did you not know
neat wyvern
I didn't watch it all the way through
snow scaffold
Why does the game run at 4 fps the second time I launch it, after restarting the pc?
First time it runs fine, then I close the game, do other stuff, reopen the game... 4fps
vocal shard
My god these vrchat mods are bad, reprot cutefoxy for spawning portals. And he's still there every fucking day in the void club spawning portals on me
and he's trusted user
...
native topaz
just block him then?
desert stratus
idk how you people always run into client users
i fuck around in pubic worlds alot and havee yet to run into one
native topaz
client users?
desert stratus
not saying that its not an issue but is it like uncommon or are you just getting targeted cuz ur a streamer or something
people who use custom (read: against TOS) clients for vrchat
native topaz
oh I didnt even know that was a thing
desert stratus
which is how they get the sspecial things like IP stealing and instant crashing
which is aalso why the safetysystem does jjack shit for you anymore lol
native topaz
I mean I havent run into anyone too annoying either, didnt get crashed or whatever too much
grizzled sentinel
Hello
neat wyvern
Welp, I can't even use my trackers atm cause I'm pretty sure I need a USB 3.0 extender
I say extender cause the only 3 USB 3.0 ports on my laptop; One of them is for the vive pro box and the other is for my mouse.
So I gotta get straps and a USB 3.0 extender which means I gotta dish out even more money just to get them working
Oh hecc I didn't mean to say extender
I meant to say hub
native topaz
ah I want to get trackers as well, but man they are expensive
gonna buy the new index controllers first tho
neat wyvern
Good idea
native topaz
yeah I am just happy that its attached to my hand instead of to my wrists
rough pulsar
@neat wyvern As long as it's built properly to the USB spec, a usb 2.0 hub will handle three trackers just fine.
neat wyvern
Huh
Well I might as well get a 3.0 or 3.1 hub since I don't have another hub/extender available
vale orchid
oi
shut wedge
ripe rock
any1 wanna VRchat with me?
lethal summit
vrchat is getting heavy and heavyer on performance part...and fps decreases a lot... 😦
slate verge
maybe we just need more rams
lethal summit
128gb ram is not enough to run this vr..
lethal summit
10 crashes in less than 5 mins. 😐 srsly?
crashing when downloading a map or game launch or sometimes at random times doing nothing but standing still in there.
vocal shard
Just don't play the game till it's stable
lethal summit
game its never stable.
vocal shard
Like the emotional state of the people who play it
lethal summit
for some reason it worked much better on win7
above win7 windows has the nasty doing of crashing
hushed harness
dood i run just fine with 500gb normal mechanical hardrive maybe you need to upgrade bruv
lethal summit
im not talking about hard drive...but RAM
covert linden
LOL
urban jasper
yikes'
lethal summit
tried out once on win 10 with 128 gb ram and it was matter of time till u run out of ram but since there is 128gb ram...this is matter of several hours in public lobby till you ram reach 80-90%
lethal summit
i dont think the cpu is the issue here... its something else.
umbral reef
How is it that I with my 16gb don't fill it up so fast then...
lethal summit
try public maps and with the most toxic players joining there.. u usualy crash most of it because of the bad avatars
umbral reef
Disable shaders, limit particles and use the dbone limiter and not a lot of stuff can hit ya then
And I don't use the shader one and it's still fine
lethal summit
on my normal pc with 8gb ram...i have only particles off of course if i stay too much on publics im stopping avatars as well..
during my time while i played vrchat...it needs CPU and some ram at least 16gb for optimal VR oculus play...
worthy oracle
that’s weird, I can have vrchat on for like 24 hours with unity open, google, and Spotify before it closes due to too many threads
and I have 16 gb ram
if you have 128 and have issues that’s something you need to look at because you literally never need that much
16 gb is optimal, 32 gb if you’re a very heavy user but more than that is usually like never necessary
lethal summit
it is really usefull to have high memory on ram specialy when u do multiple stuf...like streaming and having multiple monitors.. even rendering (with a decent cpu) or in our case (romanian) we use server cpus for that 😄 multiple cores helps a lot.
eager reef
Server CPUs aren't really made for normal use
lethal summit
i know...but they work just fine with some good tweaks..
worthy oracle
well it’s definitely more of a CPU problem
eager reef
You're paying FAR more than you need for a CPU that functions worse than a typical CPU
worthy oracle
it’s stupid how vrchat is mainly rendered from the cpu but I mean
eager reef
Server CPUs and normal CPUs have different functions and priorities
odd lava
to be specific single core performance
worthy oracle
yes and that’s terrible
I have 8 cores 16 threads, if the game was optimized there would basically never be much lag
odd lava
Yeah, mainly because best cpu atm - Ryzen 2k and soon 3k do not perform as good as they should in vrc
worthy oracle
well user created content still lags but
covert linden
@vocal shard no vrchat is cpu based.
Not gpu and cpu based. Yes you need a decent gpu but its heaviest on cpu. Other vr games are much more gpu heavy
worthy oracle
sadly
covert linden
Vr in general is more gpu based bur we were all speaking about vrchat
odd lava
vr needs both to be good, but vrc needs single thread
which is to say the least not ideal
umbral reef
Blame the ik and dynamic bones
covert linden
I bet it was dan
urban jasper
man what're we gonna do with him
neat wyvern
Welp, my straps for my leg and waist trackers have been ordered, and my dad's currently searching for a good deal on a USB 3.0 hub
urban jasper
those aren't hard to find for a reasonable price
neat wyvern
Yeah, and if all goes well I can possibly get everything sorted by Sunday
urban jasper
I got a USB expansion card for about 30 bucks
vocal shard
Someone who plays VRchat msg me to play with me, i'm super bored
prime sundial
anyone know what version of unity I should use for editing my avatars now?
desert stratus
4.15f1 as usual
languid beacon
It’s updated twice and will probably will again this year. But yes it’s currently 2017.4.15f1
white lichen
why do people keep staring at themselves in the mirror?
top 10 questions science can't answer
vocal shard
есть русс?
Helps immersion. It's cool seeing yourself in a different body. Seeing yourself in the mirror tricks your brain into accepting the body as it's own after a while. Aslo it's easier to talk to a few people at once. Of course it's good to actually go out and do something
❓
Hey
white lichen
@vocal shard not when there is a windows player in a kermit avatar spamming C for around 10 minutes
vocal shard
Well, then they have their own reasons that I can't answer 
languid beacon
I mean one big vr attraction is the ability to be anything you want. If people could suddenly do this irl they’d be in front of mirrors too
vocal shard
hmm
low prairie
Ugh I wish I had a VR so bad ;w; I'm so dang poor
lethal loom
Waiting for (hopefully) tomorrow or Friday to hop for a visit on VRChat after 2 weeks in the navy
low prairie
Heck
torpid rose
Hello there
lethal loom
Hey
torpid rose
General Kenobi
primal oak
Word is going around that someone's uploading files to people's computers that overload the CPU and it went from like 600 to 10.000 overnight, what's going on?
umbral reef
People are good at spreading bullshit and as no one understands tech in most VRchat communities it spreads extremely fast
Unless anyone of those 'tens of thousands' of people provide proof (i havent seen any even though we had loads of people asking about it in here) its bullshit
languid beacon
@primal oak I don’t really trust vrchat user’s word tbh. These are the type of guys see a placeholder loading screen message and think they’re being hacked.
They get a eye roll at best...
indigo yacht
can someone convert that vrc dev stream time for me May 16, 5PM PST into 24hr finland time
umbral reef
Finland is GMT+2?
indigo yacht
should be ye
umbral reef
Then it should be around 2AM/3AM
A tip for the next time. You should be able to throw the time into google (So 5PM PST) and get your local time out of it.
indigo yacht
wew so it's 22:30 wensday so in few hours it's gonna start
umbral reef
Its at 02:00 (Amsterdam time so GMT+1) So if your really GMT+2 its not in a few hours
So reallllyy early friday morning*.
indigo yacht
yeah forgot that america comes so late for us european folk so it's not thursday even it's early friday night
heavy dawn
This is how good Google search is: I misspellt it 5PM PSR and it got there anyway.
8PM EST 😄
indigo yacht
tried googling that 5pm pst it gives me first some website which shows charts but i dunot find info that it's this time for you and thats it
i dont need charts i need just that 1 simple info in my life
heavy dawn
Weird. Yeah I put it into the firefox search bar even. Not into the site.
The first result is a card with the time in my local timezone.
indigo yacht
ended up at ''worldtimebuddy.com/pst-to-finland-helsinki'' and i only see what time is at here then what time is at converted but i just dont see that simple result what im looking at this is always so frustrating converting timezones and currencies
heavy dawn
Oh... I definitely allow Google to see my location too. Might be part of it.
indigo yacht
ah yea true that i dont have it on since it usualy throws me into different country because need to use vpn
heavy dawn
I hide from Big Brother right out in the open. (not at all)
indigo yacht
i just use vpn to have accees on few places where normaly couldnt
heavy dawn
Yeah we have one just for a few things.
Weird... audacity saves sound in tiny AU file sound clips? Wut?
I loaded my music in Audacious and it is playing the tiny parts of one song all as separate songs. (Shuffle) 🤣
As in I just put my music folder on shuffle and for some reason I had an AUP in there and it keeps playing tiny clips of that one song.
Sorry, didn't notice I wasn't in random. 😄
white portal
Xd
rigid crescent
Oh the stream is tomorrow isn't it
umbral reef
ye
languid beacon
Yup
gentle crescent
This whole "getting set back to home" thing is getting kinda annoying
fringe spire
Hey
rancid vessel
I swear, I have the worst luck ever.
My new PC finally came.. and it is dead.
motherboard lights up, power button does nothing, fans don't start and no post.. just the motherboard light.. reseated 24pin connector and the front panel connectors with no luck
heavy bridge
oof. Can you even get to the BIOS?
marsh granite
hello
vocal shard
Is it just me or some friends dont appear as friends
marsh granite
sleppy nice picture
vocal shard
¯_(ツ)_/¯
There are some people id rather not see anymore. And they can still join on me even though im in friends only. They dont appear as friends to me but i appear as friend to them.
rancid vessel
nope @heavy bridge its seriously DOA 😦
slate verge
horror games are actually fun with a group of people
harsh cove
vrchat: exists
sleep schedule: fucked
dusk flame
What is sleep?
tiny vine
1
stoic halo
its on a website, i use a customized version of it.
desert stratus
i just had a horrificly impratical idea that i wont entertain but maybe someone else will for shits and giggles
static foveated "rendering" shaders
basically take a big box and throw an overlay shader over it and build it into an animation
the shader shold leave the middle of your view clear and pixelate the surroundings
it would do Jack shit for performance unless your gpu is really that lacking lol
torn nebula
It won't actually improve performance at all as you're still doing full resolution rendering before applying a gaussian blur
desert stratus
yeah ur right lol
torn nebula
To improve performance you have to down-res the initial render pass, which requires engine changes
desert stratus
time to have some intimate fun times with vrchat'a code
jk im not smart enough for that rrn </3
desert stratus
o0f
we really waiting 5 years for proper dynamic fr
question?
i mean if leah says its on a website then its on a website and the matter of finding it is exactly what youd thibk when youre on a journey for am avatar with no name
but from its looks, its likely from an avatar creator's website, because that looks a lot more like a vrchat kitbash then most completed projects on deviantart or other sites
in other words, it would be quicker for you to find the components used to make the model and put them together yourself...
...except i lied. the actual potentially quickest way is to find the person who uploaded that avatar into that world, friend them/add them on discord, and send a pm as to where they found it
they might either send you the project files, a download link, or in the direction of all the parts
you can check that in game yourself by lookijg at who made your avatat
avatar*
it was one of the buttons in one of ui menus
does the button to check the avatar author's profile not show up fkr you?
you can always bring a friend in game to do it for you if itbjust doesnt exist for the self for some reason
but it should be there
i dont know for sure since i dont use public avatars much at all but i know its a feature when you click on other users
it would be dumb if its not also a part of your own saved avatars as well, in which case like i said you should bring a friend in game to check the author for you
i dont know, ypure gonnna have to check cuz i cant get on my pc rn >~< sor
vocal shard
@dusty finch Leah probably is probably talking about a certain site that we can't name here. It is banned to mention it by name because the site also hosts bad content and the VRChat team highly discourages using it
indigo fern
bot actually auto takes it down, links at least
covert linden
And names
urban jasper
argh, the anticipation is driving me NUTS
I'm going to sign the papers on the house on Friday morning. I already know I'm not gonna get a lick of sleep tomorrow night
This is gonna be worse than the night before I bought my car
I swear to God I feel like i'm 10 years old again and it's right before Christmas
harsh cedar
So is anyone else getting the issue of trying to join friends in a friends+ and then getting sent to a public room cause I'm getting tired of it
chilly current
the new public avatars are awesome, i wish my clayboy was in that category, its legit based off gang beast
vocal shard
Only anime girls 🆗
I refuse to acknowledge not anime girl ones
Yes, it is app for making Anime real
pure python
sterile drift
Rest in piece Nikei
You will always be alive in our hearts
And our favorite menu
upper fox
what was that
lost nimbus
gq8v2?
dawn pecan
You copied it? That was fast
spare patio
Did they update the holoport movement yet?
placid umbra
@spare patio Holoport should be significantly improved, works normally again in places like the pug
vocal shard
Did youtube - dl got updated? so that video panels work?
still lark
Yes.
dawn pecan
Video player is about as reliable as that live video prefab. It's just more or less bricked at the first error, while you can try until it works on the prefab
worn lance
What is networked IK? Even the patch notes assumes you know what it is
dawn pecan
They tried it some months ago is why
sacred drift
Integrated kinetics? Lol
vast tulip
@worn lance before this update, you calcuated every users IK locally, it was very expensive
opaque remnant
i like the new loading avatar
dawn pecan
Some of the calculations on avatar movement inverse kinematics has been moved to the network, rather than being run on every client
worn lance
What is IK though?
vast tulip
with network IK, only your IK
dawn pecan
This will save you a good deal of CPU in larger rooms
vast tulip
IK is what makes avatars move around like a "human"
worn lance
Ahhhhh
vast tulip
it predicts where elbows will be based on what your hand is doing
worn lance
Ty
rigid crescent
its like "ok your hand is here so all those other parts inbetween must be in these spots"
covert chasm
rigid crescent
can you simplify it more D:
coral kraken
Better
sacred drift
Gooder
coral kraken
How's that
umbral reef
Tldr magic math to show humans movement instead of blobs
worn lance
Oh right on. Thanks for the explanation. 👌
rigid crescent
"hand move fix make anime machine go zoom zoom"
dawn pecan
There's probably Youtube videos on it, but if you grab a joint on something and move it, you can kind of tell what the connected joints are going to do
I think it's something like that, but taken further to get realistic movement with less trackers
near saffron
Any chance Final ik works in FBT again?
umbral reef
There are loads of high detailed videos on how it works as it's a normal thing for animators to use.
rigid crescent
its pretty neat, i messed with it a little bit while i was making my avatar for beat saber
covert chasm
@rigid crescent television on head place in space is hard to do math for making your internet person move right. doing it for every person is very very hard. television on head place in space is now done by each persons thinking box and is told to the other thinking boxes, instead of making every thinking box calculate everyone's television on head place in space.
sacred drift
Thank you Tupper, very good!
coral kraken
Now explain where babies come from
vocal shard
Any danes?
rigid crescent
Blender
sacred drift
Sculptris
rancid vessel
so.. Explain to me someone please.. What does the Quest BETA do exactly? Does it work better on say a Potato of a computer.
slate verge
where is the new sdk exactly?
worn lance
I go to lots of dance parties in rooms with 40+ people. Sounds like this new IK could really help performance.
slate verge
doesn't specifically say download anywhere
rigid crescent
yeah, that's specifically the kind of thing it should help
subtle imp
So does this mean that FBT now has a fixed IK?
covert chasm
no, IK is the same, we just network the data now
umbral reef
@rancid vessel it's for the quest headset and headset only.
covert chasm
reworked IK is a different project
jaunty vale
Will there be a new Homekit to download?
still lark
Mostly the same. :P
covert chasm
@slate verge same place you get it normally, VRChat Home website https://vrchat.com/home
umbral reef
Poor ik always being forced to change :c
slate verge
oh that home page.
cinder frigate
Any info on the various other optimizations?
slate verge
thanks tupper
umbral reef
You mean the ones listed in the change loggs?
amber horizon
Why sdk is still on 2017, when we already have 2018 lts
slate verge
its the version number
umbral reef
@amber horizon because they have not yet updates?
amber horizon
For 2 years?
sick plaza
Wont pings matter for the quality of new ik?
cold quiver
2018 LTS was released like a week ago give it time lol
covert chasm
placid umbra
No, 2018 LTS was only released a few days ago. It's not something you can just drop in, unfortunately
covert chasm
The year in the Unity version does not indicate what year it was released in.
cinder frigate
Any info on the other optimizations other than voice and ui?
umbral reef
It's when they started on the build not when it's finished or released.
covert chasm
Nope, no further info. There were things to optimize, so we did it
coral kraken
🙌 yay optimization
stray owl
i dunno how this happened but i'm suddenly only able to connect to quest worlds, anyone know how to fix this?
cold talon
Now next on the list is the one and only custom animators 👀
white lichen
why do every time i join a lobby of something i see only 1/18 or 1/9 online? i am the noly one who keeps being online every where i go
stray owl
having the same issue. it's putting me in quest lobbies for some reason
vernal forge
huh opening menu sounds much lower after updating
white lichen
tbh i liked it when it was before, but the sound of the menu itself is giving me a headache
lapis lintel
so how much better is VRC running?
rigid crescent
thirteen
white lichen
for me its worse 😄
vast tulip
@white lichen because people havent updated yet
you only see people who have updated to the newest client
sly nexus
oh BoY nEtWoRk IK
vast tulip
unless they all updated and you arent update, maybe!
floral aspen
Glad it's finally back
sly nexus
why was it originally removed
ornate summit
Network disconnects from too much data afaik
floral aspen
Too much load on the network
floral aspen
Yes
gilded valley
why are colliders fucked now
my flying avatar flies backwards and all broken?? lolalso the menu sound is shit now
vocal shard
darn
gilded valley
lmfao eye tracking fucking broke
rough pulsar
again?
gilded valley
yes sir
rough flax
Who uses eye tracking 👀
floral aspen
Not me
sly veldt
@jaunty vale we'll update the homekit at some point yeah
polar jasper
^ keep the old one, for nostalgia sake ^^
uncut trail
im mad cause soon you tp n someone invites you n lose thst request when u load into new world wtf
dusky gate
From what i heard from other users in our discord that final ik has complete broken?
rough flax
did someone forget to include eyetracking in networked ik? 👀
quartz tartan
anyone else getting a noticeable delay between ik and held objects? very noticeable on high ping players now
the held object will move before the avatar does
not noticeable locally, but others can see it.
quick cairn
Just updated: my tracking is suddenly really terrible.
gilded valley
lol everyone is so jittery looks disgusting
vocal shard
Why some people are able to join on friends instance that i created even though i unfriended them looong time ago?
I guess they dont appear as friend for me but i appear as friend for them but- why.
I dont want to see certain people anymore
Especially the ones who ERP the fuck out of everything
sick plaza
L
@gilded valley are you from eu? Whats ur ig ping?
grizzled sentinel
hello
ruby needle
If they join you and erp there without your acceptance, you can take some prove Screenshots / Video and report them for that @vocal shard
gilded valley
im in Florida
vocal shard
@ruby needle Its mostly about me not wanting to see them. And they still can join on me even though i created friends instance. I cant do anything about it, because i cant unfriend them. And they still see me as a friend and can join on me.
grizzled sentinel
oh
hasty wedge
just block 4Head
grizzled sentinel
:/
hushed harness
immediatly anybody use tristan i had the urge to kick your butt lol
grizzled sentinel
wha
vocal shard
@hasty wedge Ill probably have to do it yeah, no other option. Even though some people dont deserve it, just unfriend.
grizzled sentinel
D:
merry minnow
everything is loading in faster for me now since the update
hushed harness
tristan stop being a weeb xD
grizzled sentinel
don't hit me D:
hushed harness
grabs the bat shout from the distant " Kick his butt" Lol
grizzled sentinel
runs away
hushed harness
lol
vocal shard
lol
vocal shard
u didnt see anything >..>
brisk umbra
i lurk everywhere 😮
grizzled sentinel
shhhhh
vocal shard
shhhhhhh
grizzled sentinel
@vocal shard understandable
weak hearth
Debug info hotkey combo changed from Menu/Application key to Right Shift+Backquote This is a very awkward hotkey combination. -_-
vocal shard
hi
grizzled sentinel
hello @vocal shard
storm stag
Question, How can you tell if there is a player on Quest platform in VRC.
sly veldt
They have an icon on the bottom right of the nameplate when you open the quick menu. you can also see it in their profile pic in quick menu and social menu
grizzled sentinel
:o
sly veldt
And right now there would be very few of those cos the dev team has 'em
and only a couple of others for testing purposes
white lichen
how do i fix the issue of every avatar i have in my favourites that grab an item but dont actually do tha grab animation?
i cant trigger the grabbing animation and idk why\
polar jasper
You should ask in #avatars-2-general Conquest, probably easier to get a answer there nvm you already did
quasi blaze
The heads and necks of crouching desktop users are broken
Someone could say they're looking up, but the avatar itself can be looking down. Relatable to a bobble head as they move around while crouched
undone belfry
Oh boy the scuffed ik update returns lol.
quasi blaze
Yeah, I definitely feel the IK is the cause xD
cold talon
Wdym ik is perfectly fine and normal
languid beacon
Are the Crossplay icons on nameplates supposed to show if their currently worn avatar is crossplay, or is it just there to show what system they're running?
because wearing a crossplay avatar still just shows them as PC
The new loading avatar is fine, it's super low poly, but less creepy than blueman
gender neutral, too
just a polygonal bot
primal osprey
It's kinda cute in a way tbh
languid beacon
I didn't notice anything different with IK
apparently some people are seeing others go crosseyed in mirrors
placid umbra
@languid beacon The icon on nametags will show if the person is using PC or Quest
If you select the person, the Clone Avatar button will show what their avatar supports
tiny ginkgo
okay, I hope i get to check it out tonight
hushed harness
.
languid beacon
yeah the new loading avatar is simple but feels more polished than blueman which just felt like a programmer art asset 😛
vocal shard
Uhm may I know why is the loading blue person a diamond o.o
Has VRChat been updated again?
Possibly, might need a restart
Ree that's why I was feelin afraid it didn't happen yesterday
Pedestals and name tags has the PC Guest
storm stag
That reminds me, shouldn't they add the Ugandan Knuckles in the Public Avatars?
For Quest.
grizzled sentinel
lol
storm stag
Well, look at this way.
It's Optimized.
Also quite curious how they got those avatars on Public.
Unless the creators voluntarily asked the VRC team to add it there, maybe.
Or the other way around.
Also some modelers in Booth are making 5k or less poly avatars. Quite nice.
vocal shard
I wish VRChat could reset here and now. I'm getting worried qwq but how are ya guys doin
dawn pecan
I'd like to see more social ranks, as a lot of people are purple
storm stag
Oh jezus, Flying Avatars are Broken!!
indigo yacht
@dawn pecan if you got friends they are at highest rank known as friend
dawn pecan
Also, the algorithm is kind of bad. More purples mean that friends weight higher in advancing to next rank. This creates more high-ranked users, which further increases the ranking weight
cold talon
#bringBackVeteranRank
storm stag
Good bye NoClip.
dawn pecan
If it takes 10 visitor ranked friends to advance from visitor to user, then everyone will rank up if they add eachother.
In theory they could all push eachother up to last rank just from this, with enough friends. It doesn't work quite like that, but I'm sure it's a problem to some degree
cold talon
Aren't trusted users the only ones that increase others rank if they get friended
grizzled sentinel
heyo
vocal shard
YEAH FLYING AVATARS when I go front it forces us to go back oof
storm stag
Yep, its the same for me.
vocal shard
T.T
storm stag
Ugh, I need Prefab.
Too lazy to do trial and error.
vocal shard
Is this what happens when VRChat wants to update or somethin
cold talon
Just a sphere at 0 0 0 on the avatar 
vocal shard
Oh.. okie
storm stag
Must be for Quest too.
Maybe Colliders break on Quest or something.
lofty venture
Is it me or did the new update made Vrchat crash a lot more?
like I'll just be sitting around in the box wolrd then out of no where crash. I've had 3 crashes in the last 30 minutes
dawn pecan
Box is not the greatest place to be. We'll need more reports to say for some though
storm stag
I have a crappy PC and I rarely crash in VRC.
Even New updates.
shy rain
Does anyone know, is the any issues logging into the website going on, it won't log me in.
hushed harness
member all the vrchat avatars wasn't anime, i member lol.
damn you member berries i need to stop eating that stuff
odd lava
I am quite sure more than 2 years a go when I joined it was mainly anime
So I highly doubt you remember anything 😂
rough pulsar
There was a bit more variation back when I joined.
To be fair you were lucky to find more than 5 people online back then.
odd lava
Yeah so 3/5 anime was mainly anime 🤔
hushed harness
memeber all anime avatars are tall i member lol.
dapper stump
Back when a public pug was mostly roleplay and most people sat at tables just roleplaying, chatting lol
hushed harness
member when vr chat use to be funny i member lol.
dawn pecan
I remember people performing in Open Mic Night
marsh valve
Back when presentation room was the world to go to for optimization
dapper stump
Always went to presentation to reset my ram usage
dawn pecan
Then half a year later, it was just random people yelling. And it was too laggy to really do anything, probably due to bad avatars
marsh valve
Remember when the mmd dance club was the best club in vrc
hushed harness
member when people actually helping and not being a jackass i member
@marsh valve i member XD
marsh valve
Remember when Gaia night was THE hangout, no mirror needed
hushed harness
oh oh member when people actually talking and not staring at the mirror i member
boreal plaza
I prefer to do both
dawn pecan
Why have I never seen movable mirrors? It should be easy, right?
marsh valve
They are everywhere
dawn pecan
If that's an original idea, you saw it here first!
Example?
I don't remember seeing any, and I've been through a lot of worlds
tiny ginkgo
Oknuj's has one i think
tiny ginkgo
The "House of Time" I think it's called, something similar, has a movable camera setup so it's basically movable mirror + moving reflection point
dawn pecan
I've been there, I don't remember seeing that though
marsh valve
It's a button
dawn pecan
Well, I guess the conclution is that people use cameras instead of mirrors
dawn pecan
Cool. I think cameras are much more efficient though, despite mirrors just being fancy cameras with some linear algebra in them
I can use my monitor from within VR, and everything works, except Windows build-in virtual keyboard. Why? I finally found a use for it, and it doesn't work!
warm gust
When will the invite and friend systems and ever be fixed.
undone belfry
Tbh I miss 2017 vrc with max user count at like 300. Since I see people talking about Ye Olde Days.
Before the knuckles plague.
inner cape
lots of people say they miss the old days whatever they mean by old days
undone belfry
I always refering to pre-knuckles plague when I talk about it
inner cape
yeah, i got that
undone belfry
For most it's prob when they joined vrc or something similar
undone belfry
Eh, such is life. Can't have my teens or 20s back either.
inner cape
mourning over the past is a waste of time
what you need to do is something which would improve the present
kindred briar
nothing 😔
placid zealot
Does anyone know the name of that world with the graffiti? (Where you can create graffiti wall art)
undone belfry
Bright side of things is vrc got me into 3d modeling. Starting to look into sculpting.
Also yeah that world is neat
dapper stump
Isnt bad to look back and miss those times, caring too much about the present is just as lame. I find moving with time and surprises to be most enjoyable ;p
inner cape
uuh, what
tiny ginkgo
i have stopped moving with time. time is simply beneath me by now.
inner cape
i dunno how you can care too much about present, youre literally in it
inner cape
yeah, exactly
undone belfry
I think they mean living in the moment
tiny ginkgo
not much else to do
dapper stump
Exactly
storm stag
That world kills my frame.
Realtime lights.
near saffron
Gone but not forgotten
rotund wren
@golden matrix are you using play space mover?
That's why most likely you moved too far from your play space
You have to restart steamvr not just vrc
rotund wren
How come? I ain't got a chance to try yet
vocal shard
descripters are being mislocated, i flingmy ams and half my torso is flunged
i guess a fix will come soon, bu this is a suddenissu
median basalt
So why wasn't this update beta tested at all?
Since Final IK components are now broken too
vocal shard
shucks
odd fractal
is that why flying colliders got borked?
vocal shard
yeah
rotund wren
I ain't tested for myself. They probably did beta test but maybe it only works with the height of whoever beta tested lmao
unkempt cliff
Man all I miss is being able to see material swaps in the mirror lol
vocal shard
made thegame more stable, but kinda broke a few key things
rotund wren
I miss thoughts days too
median basalt
The game steadily gets worse, now flight colliders are gone too
vocal shard
eh
rotund wren
I mean even though breaking full body is an issue the majority of the people playing dont have or cant have full body so it's less of a priority to get that working
vocal shard
nah
are flight colliders broken in a fundamental way because of network ik?
they took this ik bug patchinh in highest piority
rotund wren
Maybe they broke them to stop flying in worlds? I'm pretty sure they're working on removing the step flying thing when you tap forward
vocal shard
besides network
whoa they broke full body?
ye
how broken?\
mislocated height scaling
odd fractal
hopefully they fix up the ik soon so we can fly again ;w; i miss zooping through the sky
vocal shard
eh
yeah being able to animate movement stuff is important
it was never dretly supported
directly
rotund wren
It's nice zooming through the sky but I know a lot of world creators are annoyed their world isn't being played as they intended it which is why there is a post to remove tapping flying etc..
vocal shard
important though. i hope if they don't fix the way it worked they do a better system that is as flexible
i love the idea of fixed local calculations
indirectly making it much more flexible and less jittery
or more if you have shite trackers
elfin cloak
now with new vrchat update
some avatar's that has some specific ability
need's to be reworked again.
cause for an instance:
"flying machine avatar" doesn't behave's as it supposed to.
sick plaza
@median basalt someone said beta lasted a whole 1h, not sure how reliable that info is tho
rigid crescent
It was closer to 3
ruby needle
@median basalt to be fair, that was always a abuse thingy. It was just a matter of time to break.
vocal shard
Microphone change options coming back yet?
coral lagoon
What does having Networked IK back actually change things? I read the announcement but does it mean that having it locally will improve tracking?
odd lava
It is supposed to improve performance not tracking
ruby needle
@vocal shard when it's fixed by unity.
upbeat basalt
Can i play vrchat without vr?
primal oak
Networked IK has the server calculate body part positions of other people's avatars. Previously that workload was assigned to your CPU.
An example is when you have a standard VR setup (HMD and 2 controllers) IK calculates the position of your torso, hip and legs
coral lagoon
So will the update improve perfomance for vr users? Great
desert stratus
massively
coral lagoon
Will the improvement affect desktop users?
desert stratus
probably as well
most definitely i think
i dont know how to use the english language uwu
rigid crescent
Most performance updates that help VR will help desktop and vice versa.
floral zodiac
so there is a wierd bug where i can hear myself when i speak
covert linden
But when will it ever occur
We had it once for a lil bit
Omg forget ai said anything the first time my dumb ass doesnt check announcements..
vocal shard
Ree
floral zodiac
the game is broken
Mouth of characters disont move anymore and i can hear myself speaking with a 1 second delay
still lark
@primal oak No it's locally calculated then it's sent to server and then to users.
floral zodiac
anybody can help ?
dark wadi
drafy sound like your audio input set to listen in windows.
lethal summit
only me gets some errors when log in on to vrchat? connection problem stuff
dark wadi
anyone know if new ik increases network data overhead?
covert linden
Speedy whats your ping usually?
umbral reef
@dark wadi 99% sure it does
dark wadi
damn thx (connection bad at house have to stay at work late then to fb lol)
slate verge
the phantom touches are so real, does anyone experience that?
covert linden
I do
desert stratus
yes
covert linden
I feel it even on desktop
slate verge
yay i'm not alone <3
slate verge
it really gives me a warm vibe and good chill
covert linden
I feel the warmth of my friends and its really nice
But I also like cuddling up its so nice
slate verge
awwwww~
covert linden
feeling the warmth of people is literally my favourite thing since I dont get close enough for that irl
slate verge
me too i never had that anymore
the last time i remember it was when i was 5 years old....
kind wedge
I feel zero immersion when it comes to touching in VR.
slate verge
D:
covert linden
Idk how long its been for me but definately awhile, But Recently I laid up with my 1 year old baby cousin and it was unbelievable, I completely forgot how good human interaction felt
kind wedge
I'm one of those cases that VR isn't convincing enough for me to lose my sense in reality. I can walk around my entire room with the headset on and know exactly where I'm facing/where I am. Just can't seem to shake the feeling of staring at a screen 🤷
umbral reef
I hate things close to my face but that's something I also can't stand irl.
By touching and headpets? Eh- don't feel them and don't care
kind wedge
I've been playing for 2 years and haven't felt any "phantom sense"
umbral reef
Do you get scared from.horror games in vrchat tho or does that also feel too fake?
kind wedge
Nope. Doesn't feel real.
slate verge
if you have reaction to jump scares, its the same effect.
covert linden
Jump scares get me
kind wedge
Although horror has never been very reactive to me in general
covert linden
My first day in vr, people would go from behind me and peek into my view and I screamed so loud
urban jasper
I HATE horror stuff
harsh star
Interested to see what this update does in game 🌺
desert stratus
horror is horrifying u~u
umbral reef
I legit can't handle vr horror games
Irl I been to a few of the best horror houses/parks. Been helping groups host them and stuff.
But in-game? Yea no, can't handle that
slate verge
@covert linden cutie
covert linden
Nooo
desert stratus
just wait until eye tracking becomes the standard
undone belfry
Someone once said they had "phantom smell" and i laughed cause that sounds far too uncanny to be possible.
desert stratus
nobody's gonna be brave when they can put jump scares in front of you based on where your looking or when you last blinked
umbral reef
Might be because I can't move how I want and can't fight stuff 🤔
desert stratus
fuck that shit
covert linden
I think phantom smell is real, considering ive experianced similar things
I cant promise 100%, because it might just be me recalling scents from my past
desert stratus
some guy with 16000 hours has reached a weird level of phantom touch
kind wedge
I still am under the impression that "phantom sense" is just placebo on a massive scale. Someone came up with it and tricked an entire group into believing it.
covert linden
But like if you show me the og pajama sam I can recall what the game used to smell liek to me.. but.. im not sure
desert stratus
cant tell if he's bullshitting but he claims that its more real than reality, whatever that means
i mean yeah it has a lot of mental gymnastics that could possibly related to it
covert linden
I dont think so, Compatible its an actual condition, moreso theres one even more enhightened in which people can feel fire too
umbral reef
I don't think its fake and that some users have it
But not this large scale and as extreme as people claim they have it
harsh star
Zeh ping is stuck for me
desert stratus
suggestibility comes to mind - the only reason why i have it in the first place is cuz i used to do hypnosis with my friend before i got into vrchat
desert stratus
same
which is why im like 200% sure he's bullshitting
but phantom touch in geeneral is a real thing
kind wedge
I have friends who have been around for much longer than that with only 3k hours
slate verge
phantom touch <3
kind wedge
16000 is just way too hyperbolic
desert stratus
at the end of the day youre not really seeing reality as much as you have a couple of senses that go into your brain and create an image of reality for you
undone belfry
However the one thing I do have is something similar to what people call "phantom sense" since I find that silly to call it that.
Honestly it is a weird feeling and I get it in many forms aside from touch.
IRL I have issues with eye contact and personal space, it even transvers into vr.
covert linden
My one friend can feel even when others are getting touch
desert stratus
and your brain does a lot of work to keeep these senses in check so at some point you can do some insane mental fuckery and start feeling things when others shouldnt
covert linden
I havve the same thing Ain, I cant keep eye contact even in vrchat
desert stratus
here's a fun example: close your eyes and move around / touch parts of your body
covert linden
Its due to my adhd, I can for about like half a second
kind wedge
I'm familiar with the condition of phantom pain, which leads me to believe that phantom touch itself isn't to far from reality, but I still have trouble believing everyone who says they have it.
desert stratus
notice how you can almost sense the exact location of your pinky all the way up your arm and to your head? as well as how they are in relation to each other?
thats one of the ways that the brain likes doing fucky shit
undone belfry
For me its just eye contact gives me bad anxiety, to the point I can almost "feel" people staring at me even if they're out of peripheral view.
Its weird.
slate verge
i randomly heard from a drunken user saying that being drunk enhances the phantom touch
covert linden
Ah I dont have it like that, i just physically cant keep eye contact, its super hard. It makes me uncomfortable and its easier to look away
desert stratus
i dread the day that eye tracking comes cuz i also have eye contact issues
let me side eye cute avatars for aa little longer >n<
harsh star
The only thing I feel from others is breath and warmth. But the warmth is probably me warming up from being a nervous, shy salad.
desert stratus
and also dont make me look at people
my phantom touch is usually strongest when im tired, when i feel really good, or when im surprised
people coming up and licking my face scares me instantly but i dont complain > <
covert linden
My friends are okay with me not having eyecontact, sure its in vr but ive spoken to them all about my adhd and if we met what they can inspect and stuff
tf inspect? expect...
undone belfry
If actual eye tracking was in vrc and I had the pro-eye... I'd prob look like a schizophrenic or something cause when extremely nervous or in a crowded place my eyes are all over the place.
kind wedge
Despite my lack of "phantom sense" I still dislike random people getting close to me. I hate the normalicy for people to just start touching anyone with an avatar they like.
Please keep your hands to yourself.
VR or otherwise.
covert linden
Im guilty of randomly touching people in vr
undone belfry
I can agree that makes me extremely uncomfortable
covert linden
even in desktop I go face to face, its an issue I need to work on
kind wedge
It's even worse that people seem to not "get the hint" when I shy away from it. If you start touching me and I instantly recoil from it, that's not an invitation to get closer and try again. That just makes me dislike you 
desert stratus
when eye tracking becomes a standard imma do the vibrating eye thing in vrchat
covert linden
My friends are all okay with it but I do it in publics too and I need to refrain
opaque remnant
isn't that why personal space is turned on by default? might not want to turn it off if you got issues with people getting close to you
covert linden
I had someone I went up to recently actually and their anxiety got bad so I tried to stay at least 5 feet away
desert stratus
its a habit when all of your friends greet each other with hugs and headpats > >
urban jasper
Is that why people disappear when they get close to me?
slate verge
well...a random comes up to you and touching you yeah i can understand, but not when you are close to your friends~ its really ❤
undone belfry
The personal space feature overall ruins immersion.
kind wedge
I think in general people need to be more aware of social cues in VR. Just because we're online doesn't mean you shouldn't treat these interactions like they're less than real. Respect people's personal space. Don't do anything you wouldn't do in public irl.
covert linden
I love being close to my friends, I go right up to their chest and just close my eyes and its like I can feel all their warmth..
undone belfry
It also having it on is more-so saying I should hide behind it instead of trying to desensitize my personal space issues
covert linden
even in desktop, I used to pass otu with my avatar all up in the others chest and itd feel so real
opaque remnant
the personal space option is ignored if they are a friend
desert stratus
i try to tell myself that a lot of social cues and general stuff applies in vr cuzit like
languid beacon
Working on my quest fallback. Got it down to a single 1024 texture, polys down from 32k to 7400.. this is doable. Need some retoplogies tho
desert stratus
it just does lol
urban jasper
I prefer to keep my distance a bit IRL. A couple of my friends are huggers and I'm OK with that, but by and large I'd rather keep people at arm's length
covert linden
Im an extremely clingy person so when I had irl friends ages back id be right on their arms
desert stratus
i require hugs from my irl friends
covert linden
And now ive got a slight fear of men and physical interaction so thats all gone
urban jasper
I wouldn't mind that, as long as you weren't constantly hanging onto me
desert stratus
lol
urban jasper
The better I knew you, the less I'd object
desert stratus
only the close ones tho
covert linden
I mainly would grab peoples backpacks to follow them as im slower and I feel safer like that, since people dont want me hanging off their arms all the time AA dokis up rhgjnijfoekdaw
desert stratus
people feel go0d
urban jasper
Like if you're a total stranger, a handshake is about all I'll tolerate.
languid beacon
Man I wish personal space wasn’t disabled on friends
kind wedge
I don't mind intimacy or anything with friends, don't get me wrong. I've had my fair share of hugs and headpats, but that changes when I'm sitting in the corner people watching and a stranger walks up and starts caressing my face
urban jasper
(and it better be a good handshake, none of this limp fish crap)
covert linden
i AM NOT comfortable at all touching a stranger that freaks me out
languid beacon
Friends end up being the only ones that get too close
kind wedge
I've had friends overstep their boundaries as well
undone belfry
Yeah compatible, its that or they try to do worse things and I nope the heck out of there.
urban jasper
I have had a number of people heatpat me in VRChat
harsh star
I'm too shy to look into people's eyes and I hide behind my long hair. People find that cute, I can't win 
urban jasper
Oddly in VR it doesn't really bother me. I just see everybody else doing this and my brain went "Okay, this appears to be an acceptable greeting in this environment. Don't make a big deal out of it, they're just being friendly."
My current avatar is Pyrrha Nikos from RWBY
kind wedge
I've been in for two years and the "headpat = handshake" still doesn't sit well with me
I'll take a high five?
urban jasper
For me it was "when in Rome, do as the Romans do"
still lark
I'm gonna lick your face the next time I see you Compat. 😉
urban jasper
I do that too, of course