vrchat-general-2

[lapis rain]

@hidden lake sorry m english is too bad ;w; so u like the pro headstrap?

[hidden lake]

No I understand dude! Yeah I love it a ton. If you don't have it, you should consider it!

[lapis rain]

i have friends who got it and they broke it so easily that i didnt want to get it XD

like the headphones on the side they just broke it so easily

[languid beacon]

I already have my Vive base stations so an index would only be 750 for me, still it’s really hard to justify and I think I should wait for a headset that has built-in eye tracking

[hidden lake]

I haven't had any issues with my headphones whatsoever, but that's a valid concern

I'm getting the full combo since it's way easier to sell a full used vive kit rather than one without base stations

[lapis rain]

will the fbt still work with the index?

[hidden lake]

Sorta.

If you upgrade to the new lighthouses, (the ones bundled with it) no.

But if you stick with the original 1.0 trackers, yes.

[lapis rain]

i can already see that i brought the trackers for nothing if i change the headset one day

[hidden lake]

You can change the headset! :)

[languid beacon]

Fbt will work better than rift for fbt

[hidden lake]

The valve index (and the knuckles) will still work for your current trackers.

[languid beacon]

It puts all my stuff in the same universe no more playspace syncing

Just turn it all on and go

Ezpz

Still I was really hoping they’d go for eye tracking so I think I’m gonna wait

I’d hope a 1K headset would include tech like that

[hidden lake]

I dont think that it's necessarily worth the cost rn

[languid beacon]

I’ll be as bold to say no headset is worth 1K. For the price of just the headset, 499, you should be getting the full kit. So to me it cost double what it should

To be more accurate, it cost double what I’d be willing to pay for it

[covert linden]

Id be willing if it was 700

But usd to cad is terrible and ima stick with my oculus. I might get a go one day as well since I like wmr

[lapis rain]

let's all just wait and pray for the SAO headset where we dont even need to move our lazy butts anymore

[glossy wraith]

or just blast your volume out in the open

[eager reef]

SAO headset:

Possible? Perhaps

Anytime soon? Nope

[lapis rain]

But I can imagine it to be possible because.. urgh my english is so bad

[hidden lake]

It's pretty good dude, don't worry

[lapis rain]

you know when disabled people can pick things on their keyboards or screens? With only the brain ''energy'' thing?

[eager reef]

Yes, but that's a very different thing

[lapis rain]

i mean it can be possible for gaming as well - it's just complex

moving and seein through a world could be the same thing - it's just that they need to explore it

[eager reef]

currently, we have a weak possibility of using BMI tech for input on a computer

We do not, however, have:

The technology to read and write info in great detail to and from the brain

The understanding of the human brain required to begin development of such technology

And most importantly, a method of doing so

[lapis rain]

i know for use that in hospitals they work with that on patients that have problems with conceration

they look at a screen and have to move objects just by concetrating

[eager reef]

The BMI's of today are still primitive. They are nowhere near as advanced as what we see in SAO, which essentially puts you into a coma so you can interact with information being thrown at your brain, and then having any response signals intercepted and read by the machine in real time

[lapis rain]

the brain does the ''work''. For example they have to put letter A into a Glass or move the words right to the right side and left to the left - I mean it works extremely well and it helps the human brain. I think it's still a good idea to explore that and work on it - things can get better if they spend time on it

15 years ago no one could have imagined we have vr headsets to play games - i dont think things like that are impossible

[eager reef]

That is true. The brain can, by some miracle, understand and translate computer code into something it understands

[lapis rain]

i mean they use it for children that have huge conceration issues

[eager reef]

however, the difficulty is recieving functional information from the brain, reading it, and putting it into action in real time.

[lapis rain]

my language is so limited, i cant explain prob lol

[eager reef]

No, you're doing a good job

It's just that, at the moment, we simply do not have the advancements required for Full Dive Virtual Reality

[lapis rain]

well they watch a screen - and concerate on stuff that they want to move somewhere. I think that's already extremely good. I don't say it's easy to do with virtual reality - but i think if they explore into that direction it could get better because i think it is in fact somehow the ''same methode'' - just more intense and complex

yeah ofc right now we dont but i can imagine it bein used for the future

[eager reef]

While again, that is impressive, think like this

For something like SAO to exist, it would be required to:

Write code information for the brain to recieve that emulates the senses

Write code to interpret the brain's signals into something the game can process as interactions

[lapis rain]

i mean yes ofc smelling and tasting is.. okay that's another lvl for sure

[eager reef]

And of course, seeing as humans are incredibly complex, the simplest movements would require an intense level of programming in order to not restrict us to a rigid armature like in today's games.

[lapis rain]

but the walking, moving objects and looking around - i mean this. Like the things we do active with our vr headset right now - I think that could be possible at some point just with the brain

[eager reef]

I'll be real, this tech is a big thing for me. Full Dive virtual reality is the Holy Grail of VR

it's just that it'll be a real long time before we see it

if we're lucky, we'll see it towards the end of the decade.

[lapis rain]

i think tasting and smelling is really hard to do.. i mean that's some magic to me right there LOL

but did u see the oculus thing?

[eager reef]

Again, it will likely take advancements we don't have now

[lapis rain]

where u can smell farts?XD

[eager reef]

Isn't that mounted on the face, though?

[lapis rain]

yeah it is - still funny and somehow i thought it was a big step too LOL

[eager reef]

At the moment, I'd say haptics are the closest we will get to full immersion for quite some time

[glossy wraith]

maybe get reality and fiction checked

[eager reef]

As I said. Unrealistic right now.

In the future, when we have a better understanding of the brain and know how to manipulate it? Possibly.

[umbral reef]

@languid beacon Also to make clear the full setup is 1K
The headset itself is leaps cheaper
And the idea of SteamVR was so that you can upgrade just one thing slowly over time and once something you want hits the market that you can just get that instead of throwing everything you had away

[ruby needle]

smell emulation isnt that new tech actually. It's been worked on for various things before.

[eager reef]

First time I remember Smell emulation was "Spy Kids 4D"

It was terrible

[umbral reef]

Also- Aika, trust me Kamanira knows there stuff on this with how far the tech is.

[glossy wraith]

first thing that happens when that technology arrive is probably using it for war

[umbral reef]

We are not just a few year but loads of years away of being able to do anything close to that
And not just because of the tech

[glossy wraith]

just brainwash everyone

[eager reef]

tbh, the first use of this type of tech will indeed be military

[umbral reef]

We are not far at all at mapping the brain and learning what exactly does exactly what. We can make broad assumptions and guesses.
Its the same that we can read parts of the brain for activity but not what exactly its doing.
And moving things with that aint too hard- Can do it yourself with some money and YT tutorials 🤷

Same that moving limbs aint 'too' complex, there is a reason we can 3d print robot arms by now.
Its just not the same at all with tech.

[eager reef]

DARPA is actually working on giving Soldiers a brain implant that would give them a COD style HUD

[sonic verge]

!online

[floral flax]

There are 7264 users in VRChat currently

[eager reef]

And I could easily see brain implants going the MGS route with turning off fear, and other such "Unnecessary" emotions and sensations, like pain

[umbral reef]

Unless they show anything close to an improvement then current high tech ima just look at it like Boston dynamic.
They make great progress but for proper use? Not even close yet sadly. And they been working on there stuff yearsssss before they showed the demo's

[eager reef]

And of course, there comes a massive risk when you get into information being sent directly to the brain

[umbral reef]

Having no pain is actually a disadvantage

[glossy wraith]

imagine having virus in your brain

[eager reef]

You thought crash avatars are bad with a headset? Think of that being sent to the brain

An complete overload of your brain, effectively killing you

naturally, limitations would be a requirement, strictly enforced and difficult to sneak by

There are many risks to be taken in the realm of BMI's, but they ultimately are a requirement for our advancement of technology

Ah, I was starting to get off topic there

my bad

[languid beacon]

If I wanted a Index it would be 749 as I don’t need the stations. However that is still too expensive for me, and for only 499, I’d expect to get the full kit. At 749 I don’t even get a full kit, so it’s a hard pass for me

Index was supposed to be cheaper because the R&d for developing Lighthouse technology was already done

[eager reef]

Cheaper than a full pro kit, at least

better kit, too

[umbral reef]

Mid tier headsets are not a thing and im fairly sure unless the tech becomes mainstream wont be
They need to push for everything and make it high end (what means expensive tech because most of the tech just aint fit really to push) or go the facebook route.

[eager reef]

The biggest issue for VR right now is entry point. You could get a proper VR headset, but that also requires a relatively powerful PC, more than most are willing to pay

[umbral reef]

And then the gaming Vr market
Its been fairly clear that VR users or throw loads of money in loads of games
Or that they barely have any money to spend right now.

[eager reef]

Or you can get the Quest. However, that can easily leave a bad taste in people's minds thanks to it being a glorified phone VR kit

My hope is that with the Index, Valve will attempt to jump headfirst into the VR market, beyond the 3 VR titles they've confirmed.

[languid beacon]

Rift S will win this gen. I’m already recommending it to people the instant I saw the Index price tag

[umbral reef]

Well....
Lets hope for now they want to tackle the High end market and later the mobile one Facebook is doing and the WMR 'lower end' market.

[ruby needle]

well they'll make a good profit now with the super high prices for the Index

and then can drop it a lot later

and then make money with software insted

which wouldn't be a new thing for valve to doo

[eager reef]

Rift S just feels like a direct downgrade. If you have a Rift, stay with it. If you need to get a new VR set, get a vive

[umbral reef]

First line sales are always pushed high compared to the end price
Look at the Vive and Oculus.

[languid beacon]

It will be a long while before a Index is sold for 50% of what it currently is. If ever.

[umbral reef]

And it feels like a downgrade because its not the same headset at all.
Its a WMR style headset that is easy to produce in a factory what will drive its price down once fully in its lifespan.

[meager solstice]

i think i might go with a rift index hybrid

[eager reef]

The Rift S has a higher resolution at the cost of refresh rate. It uses inside-out tracking as opposed to base stations/oculus sensors

[meager solstice]

keep the rift headset and take the controllers and base stations

[languid beacon]

Rift S has lower resolution than index/quest/vivepro

[eager reef]

Fairly sure you can't combine Oculus and SteamVR stuff like that

[languid beacon]

Higher than rift/vive

[rigid crescent]

People have been doing it for a while

[languid beacon]

Vive now has the worst resolution of any currently still selling headset

[rough pulsar]

SteamVR lets you run multiple VR drivers at once

[eager reef]

True, true

Still, as a fan of the Rift, I really can't reccomend it

[rough pulsar]

And is the only one that currently allows such a thing.

[eager reef]

The refresh rate drop will kill the experience

[languid beacon]

If vrchat for “Knuckles” is added and fancy with analog capture I may get Knuckles + rift

[umbral reef]

This or next week we should get (hopefully) some proper news on it.

[languid beacon]

But if it’s just gesture capture like touch controllers why bother I already have touch controllers

[umbral reef]

Atleast ron said we would get a new livestream because a twitch/famous person complained so now we care

[eager reef]

Well, Knuckles has really advanced tracking

[ruby needle]

i think the best would be something like they do with fist now

[glossy wraith]

if vrchat wasn’t playable without the headset would people play?

[ruby needle]

no direct finger tracking / ik

but still analogue controll

[rigid crescent]

Yes people with headsets would play it lol

[languid beacon]

@chineseletters no

[eager reef]

I feel like far less would

There would still be some, yes

[rigid crescent]

That was the most hilarious fuck up lol

My meme was on point tho

[umbral reef]

Well most of the userbase RN are desktop users
But if games like PowerstarVR can be Vr only and have a proper userbase why cant other games?

[eager reef]

but the memesplosion of knuckles wouldn't have happened, and therefore, there would be far less players

[rough pulsar]

So SteamVR Home beta got new hands which are 100% compatible with the index finger tracking, and I tried it with a friend and even over the internet the finger motion was smooth as fuck.

[umbral reef]

Id list that game totally in the same group as VRchat if it had no desktop stuff

[rigid crescent]

Literally radio silence til Drekwiz has s complaint

[umbral reef]

@rigid crescent The way is tradition

[rough pulsar]

So if vrchat doesn't have something like that in a reasonable timeframe it's gonna be pretty sad to be honest.

[rigid crescent]

Then Ron's like "My apologies sir I shall bring a Livestream right away. I'm sorry for the inconvenience"

Lol caps got yeeted

[languid beacon]

Vrchat without Vr is Second life without third person so that’s a hard pass on me bruh

[ruby needle]

@rough pulsar do you really want to trow in 30 more tracked bones PER PLAYER to the IK

i fucking dont

😃

[languid beacon]

I do.

[rough pulsar]

Lol do you even know about how the skeletal system works?

[languid beacon]

Not everyone will have it

[rigid crescent]

Gimme the option to turn off people's hands

[languid beacon]

We don’t need 28 tracked bones

[umbral reef]

New IK system anyway Fpaul
They can at the same time optimize the current version without pure networked ik

[rough pulsar]

There's literally a SteamVR function for sending and retrieving a highly compressed binary blob that represents the hand pose

DESIGNED for networking

[languid beacon]

Knuckles are just 10 0.0 ~1.0 values for fingers

[rough pulsar]

AND it's not anything to do with IK AT ALL

[umbral reef]

The system even has finger tracking for oculus controllers

[eager reef]

^

[ruby needle]

Thats an interesting solution

[eager reef]

Hand tracking has been a thing in VRChat for a long time

shouldn't really be such an outlandish thought

[rough pulsar]

Not entirely, the Skeletal Input system works for all controllers SteamVR supports. For the lowest input complexity can still send an estimated hand pose.

[languid beacon]

Gesture tracking is not finger tracking.

[umbral reef]

Its finger tracking in the end sense imo 🤷

Should have made it more clear tho yea

[rough pulsar]

Plus finger tracking isn't hard in terms of computation because it's pure FK so it's literally a stream of transforms.
As opposed to IK which is computationally heavy.

It's why during the brief rollout of the network IK caused such a performance boost.

[eager reef]

My only real worry in relation to full finger tracking is the ability to use gestures as animation triggers

It would become... Difficult

[rough pulsar]

They'd have to change the setup of that somehow. Have the hand pose control the hand bones, and some other way to activate overrides.

[ruby needle]

Unfortunately the new ik didnt last long 😦

[rough pulsar]

Probably didn't test it at the scale it needed to be tested and the data load was too much.

[ruby needle]

Ye

can only test so much in a testing enviroment

[languid beacon]

I’m not sure if I will get an Index but getting one would require very nice vrchat support that makes other people jelly. If people can’t even see the difference between knuckles and touch controllers than its doa to me

[umbral reef]

Tbh- This just comes down to all the complains we have heard and seen a billion times...

[vocal shard]

Its

No difference

Just more money to show off and be a dick about

[languid beacon]

That’s the point though

[vocal shard]

Smhhhh

[languid beacon]

If there is no difference then there is nothing to show off

[ruby needle]

i mean there is more then just the knuckles and their tracking tho.

[rough pulsar]

After trying it in SteamVR Home with a friend, it's definitely more than the touch controllers.
It's like the jump up to FBT from 3PT IK, there's much more expressive subtlety present.

[ruby needle]

what interest me the most is the higher FOV

i dont care too much about the knuckles at all

[eager reef]

Think like this: When Touch came out, it was a big jump. Having hand presence is HUGE for immersion

[languid beacon]

Higher FoV at the cost of less stereoscopic zone

[vocal shard]

Well if people are playing more than 1 vr games than vrchat then i undsrstand

[eager reef]

having total control over those would only further add to that

[vocal shard]

But if im just playing mostly vrchat then not worth my money

[languid beacon]

Big Stereoscopic zone > high FoV

[ruby needle]

both

[languid beacon]

Small stereoscopic zone = blind zones that make you go cross eyed when objects are close

Rift dk2 had that issue

[rough pulsar]

Well, time to have dinner and spend all my money 👋 💸

[languid beacon]

Almost all cv1 rift’s FOV is stereoscopic

[eager reef]

Was it said there was a smaller Stereoscopic zone?

[languid beacon]

People undervalue it I am sure

Index has a smaller stereoscopic zone in exchange for higher total FoV. Basically the screens are farther apart.

[ruby needle]

and angled

[eager reef]

Yeah, can see how that would be an issue.

[umbral reef]

@fluid marsh use #shameless-self-promotion

[eager reef]

^

But at the same time, we won't know what it's like until we use the headset

[languid beacon]

This also means the edges of the screen are closer to the center of the total binocular view

Not black edges but like

The cross eyed edges

[eager reef]

Well, again. We won't know for sure until it's released.

It's entirely possible Valve used some kind of VR witchcraft to fix the issue somehow

we won't know until then

[languid beacon]

I’m worried that would kill immersion

The screen separation

[ruby needle]

Tested hasnt noticed any bad impact that ruins the immersion

[languid beacon]

I don’t know how big of a deal it is

And yes norm loved it

Norm is also loaded lol

[eager reef]

Well, if it doesn't ruin immersion, it shouldn't be an issue

[languid beacon]

Lack of big stereoscopic area on dk2 both killed immersion and made me easily get dizzy

I never get dizzy on Rift

The stereoscopy makes me see the world as volumetric and around my room instead of feeling like a screen

[eager reef]

Well, again. We won't know how bad it is until we get our hands on the headset

[urban jasper]

And nobody who's not connected is going to do that for at least 2 months

[eager reef]

Meanwhile in #general-media

"1 more hour till buy index"

[vocal shard]

hello ~~~

[slender fog]

Hello

[tawny canopy]

48 minuets.

I wonder if the Steam store will crash?

[alpine crater]

it will

steam servers always crash at the start of a sale/time-limited sale

[tawny canopy]

Better get there first then

[grave dagger]

I wonder how motion-sickness inducing the downgrade to 80mhz will be for Rift S 🤔

[rough pulsar]

If it's anything like the display flicker on the Oculus Go, genuinely unpleasant.

[grave dagger]

Thats the part that worries me

i pre-ordered it since my OG Rift is 3 years old and i have a feeling itll crap out soon since it never had any issues before 😅

[hearty wyvern]

Running VR at 80Hz is unplayable for people who already get motion sick in VR. If you don't, its not a big deal at all.
@grave dagger

[ionic willow]

I tried VR with my phone and didn't get motion sickness for 10 mins

I couldn't try more than 10 mins tho

[hearty wyvern]

@ionic willow phone VR is so sad haha. and HOT too! Poor little processors xD

[ionic willow]

No no no, I connected my phone via USB to computer

And a cardboard to put it on my face

[hearty wyvern]

OwO that's unique

[ionic willow]

Google Tritus and Riftcat

[hearty wyvern]

Interesting. I think I'll pass though as my phone was $50 from a pawn shop for an android of unknown brand or origin.

😂

[ionic willow]

Riftcat wants like 20 USD for full version I guess

[ruby needle]

Phone VR has a whole different issue then refresh

and that is latency

[ionic willow]

And resolution

It's a single 1920x1080 screen, not 2 1080s

[ruby needle]

i was more talking about moten sickness issues

4k screens btw are also a thing

[eager reef]

Welp

steam died when the preorder countdown ended

fixed

[supple forge]

yeah, i'm getting a black screen trying to access the page

oh, there we go

[alpine crater]

server crash already

[grave dagger]

@hearty wyvern I do get motion sick in vr with the OG Rift, but only in planes and cars. Am i in trouble with the Rift S? 😨

[frosty bolt]

[sly marlin]

Anyone getting "there seems to be an error initializing or updating your transaction"?

[hearty wyvern]

@grave dagger I meaaannnnnnn. Ehhhhhh... Just try not to play games that you KNOW will induce those feelings and you shouldn't have any real issues besides a little vertigo on high places.

Rift S is actually a kinda cool move for oculus even if its got its drawbacks.

[alpine crater]

For the protection of the account holder, this purchase has been declined. Further purchasing will be temporarily limited - please contact Steam Support to resolve this issue.

AAAAAGH!

[hearty wyvern]

F

[alpine crater]

it says my cart has been saved for 72 hours before I can try again

I don't know if that means one is saved for me for sure in my cart

[hidden lake]

Oh man that stinks blood

[tawny canopy]

Try now

[grave dagger]

I wonder if we will ever get the chance to buy the Index in Canada 😅

[hidden lake]

Toss fishing poles over the border and try to catch one

Trade them industrial pallettes of hockey sticks

[grave dagger]

Or Poutines

[hidden lake]

Honestly though, that's really confusing

I was mentioning earlier, a pal of mine was budgeting out his PC around the index and hoping it'd ship to him. He has the cash

[tawny canopy]

I had the error message. Try now, I got mine

[grave dagger]

They ship to the US and Europe but not Canada which is RIGHT next to it 😭

[alpine crater]

my account's been locked it seems

[ionic willow]

They don't ship it to Turkey I guess

[hidden lake]

Wow damn, that's awful to hear

[grave dagger]

Im tired of Oculus+Vive for FBT, i want everything in one environment damnit 😑

[alpine crater]

my bank is fucking with them

trying to get it sorted

[grave dagger]

Paypal maybe?

[hidden lake]

Paypal is still going to route through your bank

it'd be even worse to get ANOTHER 1k request through something else

They'd definitely freeze the account if more requests came in

[tawny canopy]

Got a text message from them on my phone asking if it was me, I said yes, pay them damn it!

[regal furnace]

try buying steam gift cards and pay with them 🙃

[alpine crater]

I tried going through paypal, got a text from my bank telling me about "unusual activity"

Now that I sorted the bank side out, steam is telling me to wait "a while" before trying again

[grave dagger]

IE: Wait till we're out of stock

[tawny canopy]

"A while", I got it in 2 minuets.

yeah lol

[alpine crater]

https://i.bigpileof.rocks/firefox_2019-05-01_18-22-18.png

[grave dagger]

If its anything like the OG Rift's release, prepare to wait 4 extra months if you pre-ordered after the first 15 minutes

[alpine crater]

it's now 23 minutes

so make that a year

[grave dagger]

i ordered mine 17 minutes after pre-orders opened, got it in july instead of march 😅

good memories

[hidden lake]

How do I view my steam purchases overall?

[grave dagger]

do they say how much shipping is gonna cost?

[hidden lake]

Shipping was free for me, I had like 20$ in taxes

[grave dagger]

Not bad

[ruby needle]

paying shipping for a 1k set would have been really sad

[grave dagger]

I wonder if rift S will be free shipping too

[tawny canopy]

@grave dagger Don't rub it in dude. lol

[wet tulip]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jkci2aw1G3k

[hidden lake]

Scratch that, the total tax was $70

[wet tulip]

so funny

[grave dagger]

Rub what in?

[hidden lake]

https://i.gyazo.com/62f13164aa05244de3a8eb1e56af7b63.png

[tawny canopy]

Saying about ordering 17 minuets late

[grave dagger]

Oh, i was talking about the Rift

The Original one. Who knows what will happen with this new one. Demand cant be as high

since theres a gazillion different VR headsets out now

[tawny canopy]

Just checked my bank account, looks like they took the amount.

[grave dagger]

Thats a good sign right?

[hidden lake]

Nothing's out of my account yet

I assume they contacted my mom, who's still in charge of my account for some reason just to make sure

[grave dagger]

better warn her before she flags it 😅

[hidden lake]

No yeah we discussed it yesterday

[mellow junco]

Hai 😃

[grave dagger]

Im jealous, I want the Index 😭

[hidden lake]

Dont worry, when I get mine we can parsec

It'll be like you're actually there

[grave dagger]

Yay thanks 😅

[hidden lake]

Ill send you one half of the headset

I think a turkey carver could rip right through it

[grave dagger]

Im getting the Rift S while I wait for Valve to realize Canada's a viable market

[tawny canopy]

@grave dagger To be honest, I thought they'd take the amount on dispatch.

[grave dagger]

Now that you mention it, that is unusual

they usually charge when they ship

[tawny canopy]

I think my Vive amount was taken when they shipped it.

[supple forge]

finally, my purchase went through

[tawny canopy]

Yeah!

[supple forge]

looking forward to receiving my index half a year from now :P

[alpine crater]

RIP my preorder

[hidden lake]

Here's to hoping you still get to order when your account clears up

That really sucks to hear, man. :(

[tawny canopy]

@alpine crater I'm sure you'll still be able to order it.

[alpine crater]

my cart is apparently "saved" so hopefully that means the actual preorder has been reserved

[mellow junco]

So many ppl with their fancy VR headsets ug

[hidden lake]

So many nerds probably gonna regret their preorder when some massive hardware failure comes rolling through

Like me! Lol

[vocal shard]

You could get one too you know

[hidden lake]

Okay great, my payment went through

[vocal shard]

Umm I can't publish my avatar because it says I need to spend more time playing the game, but I have what do I do?

[hidden lake]

Spend more time in the game! Make sure your account is at the "New user" stage

(It should be blue)

And also make sure the account you're uploading with is the same one as the one you intend to play it with

There's no specific guidelines for it, just hang out in the game, make friends

If you're obnoxious and people block you, it'll take longer to reach the new user status

[vocal shard]

ok

[hidden lake]

It took me ~10 hours

[torn pelican]

I made Known User in about a month.

All you gotta do is hang out, make friends, and not be annoying to be around.

[hidden lake]

Yep!

Once you get further into the game, you'll see why such vague guidelines exist. There's a lot of really toxic and harmful avatars out there, imagine how many more would be added if you could instantly upload them

[torn pelican]

Exactly!

It's usually the Visitors/Trusted who are the most obnoxious

[tawny canopy]

@torn pelican Some one on Canny was complaining about the Trusted Tags. Saying they shouldn't exist.

I should say purple tags

[rigid crescent]

But I like the color

[vocal shard]

They’re just mad known users that can’t get trusted because they’re annoying and they get blocked a lot

The people who complain about trusted users are the same people who ask to clone a private model you made then get mad that you won’t let them clone it lul

[rigid crescent]

Wur

Most trouble members I've met were trusted lol

[hidden lake]

I agree with mic

[rigid crescent]

Or New User that's obviously an alt

[still lark]

Define obviously. :P

[rigid crescent]

This coming from a trusted with like 3k hours. Most of the "bad" lower ranks are just annoying.

I guess its not super obvious since I can't explain it. You can tell how someone carries themselves if they're s long-time user typically.

But that could just be me tbh

[vocal shard]

Most annoying people are the visitors that just go around mic spamming and standing in front of you

[rigid crescent]

But usually the ones with VR or FBT are alts lol

[vocal shard]

I don’t have a problem with other trusted cause they don’t really do anything since a lot are mute

[rigid crescent]

Eah the difference being trusted get less punishment it feels like.

[vocal shard]

Maybe

[mellow junco]

@hidden lake How do you know what rank you have? For new user or whatever?

[mighty nest]

It says on your profile

[hidden lake]

Open up your menu, and look at the top left

You can mouse over/point at it and it should show

Or like hanezeve said, it's on your profile

If you're new user, you'll recieve a notification and an email saying you can upload :)

[mellow junco]

Visitor 😄

[hidden lake]

So keep playing the game dude! Just have fun and chill with people

It'll let you know when you can.

[mellow junco]

I am 😄 Thanks for clarifying

[coral lagoon]

I like visitors. Sometimes trusted users can be too cocky

This is coming from a trusted user

Hehe

[desert stratus]

im a known and i usually go and chat up anyone and everyone when i hop around in publics, which is half the time

tho a few days ago i was sitting in front of the pug mirror with a handful of other people just chillin and realized

"holy shit ive become a mirror hawk"

and it scared me lol

but ye welcome to the game

^ ^

[vocal shard]

Why there’s literally no reason why people should care about sitting at the mirror

[desert stratus]

at the pug mirror no less

that shit unoptimized

[vocal shard]

Fr

[desert stratus]

people like looking at themselves tho cuz they cute af

looking in front of thebox mirror is acceptable lol

[vocal shard]

Exactly I like looking at the models I made so not sure why people get so much shit for sitting at mirrors

[desert stratus]

i dont shit on people staring at mirrors cuz im like ayy same

i do if they get pissy when u try talking to them tho

its vrchat! be social :<

[coral lagoon]

That's why this game is also known as mirror simulator

[desert stratus]

<@/

[vocal shard]

And most mirrors are unoptimized making mirror simulator an unoptimized game

[desert stratus]

you think its true that this game would run better if people made lighter avatars tho?

cuz i do, and it haunts me to no end when someone logs in with a 20mat 20 mesh face melter

[coral lagoon]

If you're in an empty room and depending of the place you're in your fps should be fine

Sometimes the world you're in causes lag too

[desert stratus]

yeah im just saying that i feel like more of the lag problems can be solved on the community end rather than the dev end

the only thing the devs really need to do is make the game use your cpu in a better way i think

[coral lagoon]

But having an optimized model should definitely help. It's a really cool thing what vrchat does by giving creativity liberty to the players

But that's also one of the problems

[desert stratus]

robo recall looks much prettier than any vrchat world ive been in and it runs better than the box with more than 5 people

for me

[coral lagoon]

Optimization is a problem too. Vrchat still isn't able to take full advantage of a graphic cards power or all the cores of a processor

[desert stratus]

one day~

in valve time,of course, since its a literal handful of people running off of investments

[vocal shard]

Luckily I don’t get frame drops

[desert stratus]

but one day

[vocal shard]

2080ti

Works wonders for frames

[coral lagoon]

Say that when someone spawns 1 billion particles in your face

[languid beacon]

I’ve had my purple tag hidden for 2 months now the change in interactions is VERY notable. People simply did not talk to me when I had purple tag showing

[coral lagoon]

Hehe

[vocal shard]

Particle limiter

Try again

[coral lagoon]

I mean, with particle limiter disabled of course

[vocal shard]

Why would I ever disable it lul that’s asking for lag

[coral lagoon]

That's my point. Having particles enabled will make you lag no matter what graphic card you have

There's should be a limit even with the particles enabled

Just like they did with dynamic bones

[vocal shard]

Again that’s what limiters are for

[coral lagoon]

It's surprising how segregation can actually become a thing in game

[vocal shard]

Not really

People do it all the time

[atomic tusk]

there is a particle limit

[vocal shard]

Yes

[atomic tusk]

and these days the big problem is people running around with 20+ materials

[vocal shard]

Then hide the avatar if its unoptimized

Problem solved

[coral lagoon]

There was a lot of criticism of the ranking system when it first came out since people were saying that they were treated differently because of their ranking and the oculus quest will only be able to show models under 5k and quest players can only visit worlds made for the quest just makes matters worse

It seems like it'll just separate players

[ruby needle]

There is unfortunately a lot more then the 5k polygons

and yeah, it will

or at least limit the experience heavily

[coral lagoon]

At least interactions will be possible

[ruby needle]

in a quest optimized world... and with default models

unless you did public a quest model for your current one

[desert stratus]

yall gotta step up ur game and make minecraft skins of ur avatars

then put them on unity minecraft rigs and upload them on the same blueprint ids as ur mains but for android

like true gamers /s

[coral lagoon]

Haha I rather decimate my model to a point where you can see the holes. As a joke of course

[vocal shard]

When your base is over 100K polys 🗿

[coral lagoon]

[ruby needle]

Then... you have other problem

[vocal shard]

Nah it’s not a problem

They’re OPTIMIZED POLYGONS I swear

[ruby needle]

They can be as optimized as they want, they're to high for normal desktop models

[coral lagoon]

I met this player once that had a sword in his model with 250.000 poly but it was disabled through an animation

[vocal shard]

I’m full body not desktop

[ionic willow]

250000?!

[vocal shard]

That’s not that much

[coral lagoon]

Doesn't that miss the point of having a limiter

[ruby needle]

this was more a platform thing but ok... "PC" then

[coral lagoon]

I looked through his model

[vocal shard]

Record for me was about 500 million polys before my unity started to lag

[ionic willow]

...

[coral lagoon]

But aparently the system doesn't count the sword if it's disabled

[desert stratus]

another fantastic mark of the avatar performance check~

[sterile glen]

guys please theres a guy creeping me out on vrchat calling me cute asking if he wanna be my girlfriend and stuff

[coral lagoon]

Say no

[sterile glen]

im legit shaking rn

[vocal shard]

Block him then

[desert stratus]

thats like 5% of vrchat sorry lol

[vocal shard]

block him and it’ll be over

[desert stratus]

block and report

[coral lagoon]

Pretty much

[sterile glen]

yeah ill do it but like

hes acting like a p*dophile

[vocal shard]

Then block him

then block and leave and report

That’s all you have to do

[ruby needle]

if you feel like hes doing it regularely and with a bad intend, report them

[vocal shard]

It’s as simple as pressing a button

[sterile glen]

aight so i reported and blocked

[vocal shard]

See now it’s over

Simple fix

[sterile glen]

oof i kinda overeacted

[vocal shard]

You think

[sterile glen]

oof he even told things when i was "afk" when i came back i hear him say 'i love you' and then like "kissed me"

he even pretended to cry when i told him i was taken

[vocal shard]

K thanks for sharing

[sterile glen]

oof

yeah sorry for bothering

[vocal shard]

Just sad to see someone that pathetically desperate

[eager reef]

^

I mean really?

C'mon have some dignity.

[subtle prawn]

Or could just have been trolling ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[vocal shard]

Pedophile trolling in vrc gone wrong fbi tracked my address!!!!

Sure

[hexed maple]

Now gotta wait for 2 things. For my steam index controllers to arrive, then for vrchat to have finger tracking supported avatars.

[regal furnace]

kinda sucks when your parents dont allow you to buy one because they think you are addicted (not even true xD)

[atomic tusk]

even if they don't have support for finger tracking...atleast you won't have to use the wands and be able to use analog sticks to move

[vocal shard]

I dont mind the wands. Less money to spend.

[atomic tusk]

I do after using oculus touch for over a year >_>"

[hidden lake]

I'm not a fan of the wands

[rigid crescent]

I never minded them really

[hidden lake]

They could be a lot better

[alpine crater]

eventually got my account unblocked, sadly the full kits sold out before steam support even replied to me

ended up going with the base stations separately for slightly more

[hidden lake]

I'm sorry dude, that sucks.

[alpine crater]

eh I got it at last, not waiting 3 months for them to get back in stock just for the same thing to happen

[languid beacon]

I’d buy the 749 kit but I don’t want to be stuck with my 1.0 base stations. Considering selling them for cheap and buying the full 1K kit when available so I can upgrade to 3 stations in the future .. and be free from HTC . Hm...

[ruby needle]

3 stations? how big is your space

[languid beacon]

An entire mostly empty living room

It’s mostly for covering full body dead-zone. 2 is fine for upper body only but hip tracker is easy to obscure

[ruby needle]

do vive trackers work with steam's lighthouses?

[slate verge]

wish we can sort the worlds listing my alphabetical orders

[languid beacon]

Yes of course @ruby needle

Valve’s lighthouses work with any 2.0 tracking device.

[covert chasm]

@ruby needle Yes, as long as you have 2.0 trackers. They have the blue button vs 1.0's gray buttons.

[ruby needle]

i see

[covert chasm]

Lighthouse is meant to be an open system so anything that works with lighthouse should work overall

as long as you're not trying to use 1.0 detectors with 2.0 emitters.

[ruby needle]

cus they haven't been prepared for the 2.0 emiters and dont understand it, i guess

makes sense.

[covert chasm]

I don't believe anyone sells 1.0 detector hardware anymore

[ruby needle]

well, used market is the thing to be carefull with

[languid beacon]

Vive.com still sells 1.0 base stations

Standalone

And 2.0’s, the extendable ones, that you’d actually want to buy stand alone? They do not sell standalone

[covert chasm]

Oddly they sell them standalone in japan

in retail locations

[languid beacon]

My guess is they want to clear their stock of 1.0’s. Pro works on them regardless.

[whole dock]

is there a world for marvel skins?

i can't find it

[coarse pagoda]

Does anyone know if VRChat will run on Ubuntu?

[ruby needle]

Native, no

[slate verge]

@whole dock not really, you might wanna search specific tag or title names like spider-man or ironman from the marvel universe.

[rain merlin]

My computer just committed sudoku and crashed for a few seconds, and was "fixing" something in my C drive after I was playing vrchat. Something got in there that my computer did not like

[vocal shard]

Are there any x men models?

For vr

[slate verge]

@vocal shard i'm pretty sure there is. I thought i saw gambit and wolverine in some worlds. But i don't remember seeing x-men worlds. Just separated avatar names.

[rigid crescent]

Kinda surprised I don't see many X-Men, probably lack of games other than the mobile ones

[slate verge]

yeah, with the new marvels alliance game on switch perhaps they could import those models as avatars

[hallow crystal]

how long does it normally take before i can make my own models still waiting to get approved for that. does anyone know?

[drowsy frigate]

Hi

[rancid vessel]

anyone else here have that loading screen where the "Got feedback?" panel was showing and it was.. like off colour like a purple like colour?

[slate verge]

hello

@hallow crystal you need to get User status in-game. So basically green name. I believe they'll start pointing guide directions for you to get started.

[torn nebula]

@slate verge you only need new user (blue) to upload

Might need user to submit to community labs, don't remember what that required

[slate verge]

oh! yeah i had a feeling it was blue or green

[manic trellis]

how do u install vr chat i wana play sometime but i dont know how

[ruby needle]

steam store

[slate verge]

yeah its through steam

[manic trellis]

ok

whats it called in steam?

[subtle prawn]

vrchat

[manic trellis]

k

[slate verge]

🤔

[subtle prawn]

[desert stratus]

when is vrc gonna add a recent players button

just crashed while talking to two rlly great people >n<

[slate verge]

wdym recent players button, you mean like "these people that you lastly played with"?

[desert stratus]

mhm

[slate verge]

that could be nice

you met some great friends on there and then poof they're gone

hard to find them again, unless if they really do play vrchat actively only then you'll have another chance to see them

[subtle prawn]

Well you can look through vrchat 's output log

It'll show the worlds you been in and the people that were in them

[slate verge]

oh i had no idea that was a thing

[vocal shard]

Yeah I never see them online so I don’t know @slate verge

I mean the site where you can get skins

I still have no idea how to make my character wear the skins

[queen mango]

Can't mention the name here

[slate verge]

ohh

[vocal shard]

What

[subtle prawn]

Ye 😬

[queen mango]

The site is home to a lot of malicious stuff you don't want in your avatar.

[neat bobcat]

Oh boy Index sold out

I secured my purchase 9 mins in... I feel lucky af

[slate verge]

@vocal shard well theres your answer from Elire. Thats a bad site.

[vocal shard]

Ah okay

I never used any site to get avatars

I don’t even know where to get them

[slate verge]

in the game you search for worlds, thats where you get avatars. If you mean models thats elsewhere too.

[vocal shard]

Oh okay

I never seem to get them to work on my avatar

I always look like the default robot

[slate verge]

you mean by uploading one?

i would recommend looking up tutorials to get a better understanding on how to upload your own avatar

[vocal shard]

Okay I’ll do that later

No I mean clicking on in that interface

That has the worlds but also shows avatars

I’m using non vr chat

[slate verge]

sometimes its the pictures that you have to click and sometimes its the circle stool thing under the avatar picture

if it you cannot change into the avatar, then it likely means the stool there is just a placeholder or not available

[vocal shard]

Rip

[sinful basin]

Can someone pay pal me $60 please

[subtle prawn]

[sinful basin]

just kidding

I need a game though

[languid beacon]

The game is completely free also I don’t even

[subtle prawn]

Do you know what game thet want? 🤔

[hidden lake]

Bookworm adventures deluxe

[sharp epoch]

Hi

[sinful basin]

I want a fallout game

[vocal shard]

You got one, n it sucks

[warped dew]

So.

How is VRchat gonna implement the valve index?

I hope with actual free movement and have the game detect if you are doing one of the default gestures it triggers the animation associated with it

[vocal shard]

Not sure yet. They had the knuckles controllers for a while, so they've probably been working on it

[warped dew]

Because Valve index + vive body trackers + (probably a newer gen vr headset made wireless) = Maximum immersion

[vocal shard]

expensive hobby this VR is

[warped dew]

Indeed

[vocal shard]

oofff

[warped dew]

And if one wanted to bump it up to 11 and has stupid amounts of dosh, VR treadmills and a body suit for senses

[lime veldt]

it's just like the simulations

[vocal shard]

Yeah .... Oof
I'll stick with what I got. Lol. Can't spend thousands on toys

When vives and rifts are all sold out in your area 😭

[warped dew]

By the time I save up enough, the next generation will have come in

[worthy oracle]

how do you all feel about the rift s?

[vocal shard]

It's good since you can cross over to steam and play other games while quest you camt i think

[worthy oracle]

well yes, rift s is meant for pc and quest is a stand-alone

[vocal shard]

Ahh

[worthy oracle]

:p

[foggy heart]

valve is setting the standard for vr so we'll hopefully be seeing more headsets of that caliber for cheaper soon 😭

[vocal shard]

then.....whats thr use of it lol

[foggy heart]

rift s is an "update" to the rift that removes the need for lighthouses

it's basically a fancier wmr

[vocal shard]

I like the Rift S. I'd move from my CV1 to the S

[worthy oracle]

yeah valve outdid themselves but the price smh, honestly if I were to get vr it would have to be a gift because I don’t work or anything yet- and rift s is the cheapest but has it’s downsides

[modern sand]

It just came out, look at the price of Rift & Vive over time

[worthy oracle]

for something like vrchat it would probably be fine though, and the tracking seems pretty good from what I’ve seen

[ruby burrow]

Valve has currently cornered the high end consumer market, but that market is admittedly still a minority market existing within another minority market.
Trying to compete with the Index will be expensive and risky.

There's much more viable room to compete around the $300 to $600 price point.

[worthy oracle]

@vocal shard have oculus controllers felt fine for you in vrchat?

[vocal shard]

Oculus rift controllers look comfy

Yeah, they're really nice. I mainly use wmr though. But I do really like the Oculus controllers

Instead of vive you're holding dildo wands

[ruby burrow]

You could easily argue that the Index is admittedly sort of overkill for VR-Chat in certain regards, but then for plenty of people VR-Chat is life, and can you really put a price on a persons life? '-'

[worthy oracle]

@vocal shard LOL exactly what my thoughts are

[hushed harness]

why vr chat needed net frame work 3.5?

[vocal shard]

Exactly Squishy. While having the "best" is nice, it's far from a necessity. Oculus said they wanted to focus on the mass VR market, and that the enthusiast market was under 20%. That's where Valve is tackling

[ruby burrow]

It's overall a good state for VR right now, since pretty much all interests and niches have something to cover them.

[worthy oracle]

oculus in general seems to be targeting newcomers to vr while index is appealing to a minority

and vive is fine but the controllers are eh? It’s compatible with index controllers though and that might make it more appealing to get

my problem is, theoretically if someone were to go for a rift, they would be getting something that’s alright compared to how good the index seems to be

[ruby burrow]

The biggest issue for VR-Chat in terms of hardware options now, I feel is just that the entry level options lack the FBT upgrade path, which forces people to try and pre-judge what it's worth to them before they've tried it.

[worthy oracle]

there’s no middle ground between price and innovation

[vocal shard]

All the bases are covered ^^
The Oculus now is convenient VR. One thing I love about wmr is the inside out tracking. I think the Rift S and quest are going to end up being big

[worthy oracle]

they may sell lots, I mean honestly I might end up getting a rift s because I just want to experience vr in general so if I am gifted it, it’d be nice

[vocal shard]

Also, just Facebook showed some full body tracking using external cameras. No trackers, that was accurate to the muscle apparently

[worthy oracle]

I’ve heard of it. It would be nice but definitely won’t be seen for at least 2 years probably

[ruby burrow]

Rift-S whilst disappointing for many, is still enough to push PCVR gaming in the areas it needs most.

My biggest complaint about the original Rift has always been the lack of out-of-the-box roomscale.

I once heard some unconfirmed statistic about how only 8% of Rift owners had a third sensors.

Which was a terrifying thought to me. Room scale and escaping the 180 degree desk space is a vital component of VR in my opinion.

[vocal shard]

Yeah, that's something I noticed with my Rift. I can't mount the sensors high so I always have blind spots in my 2x2m playspace. (2 sensors).
Inside out suites me much better personally

[ruby burrow]

Oh? I've not heard of that body tracking. I definitely need to look that up.

[subtle prawn]

Ye, I think it's codenamed Half Dome

[ruby burrow]

Half Dome was an ancient prototype, back when people were expecting Rift 2.

I wouldn't expect that to be the name of the tracking system prototype.

[vocal shard]

The full body thing was just shown yesterday

[subtle prawn]

😮

[vocal shard]

I didn't look into it much. It was on reddit

[ruby burrow]

The key features of Halfdome was it's internal eye tracking and mechanical lens focus adjustment.

One of the reasons people were disappointed in the Rift-S, since Oculus had been doing a lot of innovation on pushing the tech, and then released a low cost side-grade.

[vocal shard]

Yeah, I was hyped for the Rift S thinking it would be similar to half dome. Was disappointed, but looking at it now, it's not bad

[ruby burrow]

But I have been wondering how viable revisiting "Kinect" style body tracking is. Since it does seem like a fairly logical development. I just don't know the tech well enough to make any real assumptions.

[worthy oracle]

I’ll probably settle for rift s and it’ll be affordable enough for most to enter pcvr

[ruby burrow]

The one gap in the market, is probably an up to date mid range lighthouse option. Something along the lines of a "Vive-S" which would basically be exactly what the Vive-Pro is. Maybe scrap the two cameras to cut costs.

[vocal shard]

but is rift s like the rift or what

Rift S is rift with inside out tracking and higher resolution

[subtle prawn]

What of the Vive cosmos

[vocal shard]

Most reviewers now say the rift S is actually better than the original, but not enough of an upgrade to be an immediate choice if you already own a Rift. It's like a refresh

No word on cosmos yet. Hope they'll say something

[ruby burrow]

I do really wonder about the Cosmos. It's going to have a tough fight against the Quest and Rift-S, if it want's to be relevant.

It wouldn't be too hard to very slightly improve on the Rift-S specs, but that fact it's coming from HTC just makes it hard to imagine them putting it out at a competitive price.

[vocal shard]

It might come in too late ... But if it has good specs. Wmr is entering gen 2 with 4k headsets and 114 fov, but it has the same tracking

[ruby burrow]

The one feature that makes the Cosmos genuinely stand out, is the eye tracking, but despite how I've hyped about foveated rendering in the past, that's not going to be enough if no other headsets are doing it.

Had Index included eye tracking, that would have perhaps given Vive an edge still, since games developed to use foveated rendering would have run far better on Cosmos than on Rift-S.

[vocal shard]

At this point, the normal Vive pro isn't really anything special. If they dropped it to be a mid-range system, it would sell lots I think

[ruby burrow]

But I'm not sure if theres going to be enough relevance for devs to invest time on that, at least until more popular headsets include it.

I've been saying lately, that the realistic reasonable price for the Vive-Pro would have been about $650 to $700.

[vocal shard]

^

I'd buy that on the spot

so...

[ruby burrow]

But they chose to put it out as an artificially inflated premium product due to lack of competition.

[vocal shard]

Since rift is sold out

Just get the rift s? Lmao

[hidden lake]

Now its too late to really compete for them since a product just showed up that did everything better

[ruby burrow]

And in doing so, they completely stagnated their product line by denying any possibility of logical a Vive-2 releasing at the same mid range target market.

[hidden lake]

It's a shame

[lunar shell]

The one thing the Vive Pro has over Valve is wireless. That's it.

[hidden lake]

I think we'll see that come onto the scene with how much valve is pumping into tinkering with this

[ruby needle]

official wireless you mean. Im sure third party will come soon

[lunar shell]

Hope so.

[vocal shard]

They probably want to make sure it can keep consistent framerate at that resolution first

[ruby burrow]

Ask almost anyone what a reasonable and realistic "Vive 2" would be, and the answer is basically the Pro, but at a sensible price.

[lunar shell]

Sticking to my normal Vive until then

[hidden lake]

Yeah going from 90 to 120, or even 144 hz...

[ruby burrow]

Well, I think the considerable majority of us will be sticking to our regular Vive or whatever other current headset for a while still, whether we want to or not.
Due to the fact that the Index fully sold out within 30 minutes of going on sale. ^ ^;

[hidden lake]

It was 30 minutes???

[vocal shard]

Lol, true

[hidden lake]

I thought it was an hour and a half

Lol, so I rent out a room at my mom's house, and we've discussed investing in a living room media setup

Once the index came out I knew what was up

So I was like "Well shit, it's all sold out and backed up to September..."

Best feeling ever knowing I preordered

[ruby burrow]

You can now make a reservation on the store page, but the estimated shipping date for new reservations has been going up and up. Is now at September.

[hidden lake]

Thank god my bank didn't give much of a fuss

[vocal shard]

Well damn

Thats still alot of money tho

[hidden lake]

I kinda justify it that It's really worth it's experience to me

[vocal shard]

But I'm just a very cheap person lol

[hidden lake]

I built a high end rig for VR, I've been loving vr since it first showed up with even google cardboard

and only recently have I been able to have roomscale VR at home, so this to me is the last pillar

Plus I've already sold my vive and recouped the cost from that, so it's really only a $600 purchase

[ruby burrow]

Cost £690 for me, due to already owning a Vive. Although I didn't pre-order, so mine is reserved, estimated to be available at 31st of July.

[hidden lake]

My logic is that it's much harder to sell just the HMD and controllers, and you're not getting that much back from it

I thought it'd be much easier to sell my full vive bundle and get a full hardware refresh, despite owning a vive

But i'm in a unique situation, I only got my vive in january

[ruby burrow]

You sold your Vive already? How long are you going to have to wait? :x

[vocal shard]

Does Rift S comes with the light houses or its not needed ?

[ruby burrow]

Rift-S uses inside out camera tracking.

[foggy heart]

no lighthouses

it's essentially like a mixed reality

[ruby burrow]

Doesn't need and can't use any external sensors/base stations.

[vocal shard]

ahhh

[hidden lake]

Sorta kinda sold my vive. Canadian pal was hoping to get an index, and was already eyeing my vive when I mentioned i'd like to sell it

[vocal shard]

okay !!

lol awe that's nice

[ruby burrow]

Yeah, Rift-S can be mostly summed up as being like a WMR but with additional cameras for tracking that's more game friendly.

[hidden lake]

He came through and said he'll buy it. I haven't sent it out yet, but i'm fine with a month without VR

[vocal shard]

Oh so it'll be fine for vrchat right still?

[subtle prawn]

Yes

[vocal shard]

Yeah it will be fine for vrchat

[foggy heart]

would you recommend the rift s for people new to vr? there are a few people i know that are worried about the rift s's tracking

[vocal shard]

Fine for pretty much everything

[subtle prawn]

Unless you for some reason need to have your hands behind your back 😏

[hidden lake]

For itching.

[ruby burrow]

Rift-S will be fine for VR-Chat. Should allow you to do almost everything spare stand with hands behind your back.

[vocal shard]

Alright thanks you Jamie. Ill eventually upgrade to better i jist wanna start vr now lol

[hidden lake]

I want people to know i'm itching my back.

[subtle prawn]

Yep, maybe you need to RP handcuff and stuff

[hidden lake]

How will I do that now. How will oculus fulfill my needs.

[subtle prawn]

No can do

[vocal shard]

The tracking is good. Reviewers said it's better than 3 sensors rift in most cases. I've been using mixed reality for over a year which is also inside out tracking

[hidden lake]

From everything i've read about quest/rift s, tracking seems fine. As with every inside out system, if you're okay with a little bit of a restricted window, you should be fine.

And it'll be perfect for many consumers, I think it's a good starting ground.

[vocal shard]

Restricted window of what

[hidden lake]

With movement, sorry for lack of clarification

[vocal shard]

It's not really a problem once you're used to it lol

[subtle prawn]

Running blazing fast and pulling your PC with you

[foggy heart]

it's precisely because it uses inside-out tracking that they've been worried about it lol
they're worried about how it compares to actually using lighthouses for tracking

[hidden lake]

Well lighthouses are always going to be better. No doubt about that

[vocal shard]

You can reach behind you for a few seconds outside the camera line of sight and keep tracking, but if you hold it for too long behind you they will just lock in place

[hidden lake]

But if you don't necessarily mind that, and are okay with the pros that the rift S offers, it's definitely worth it

[ruby needle]

Please dont call all external trackers lighthouses, thats just valves system

[hidden lake]

You also need to consider that having trackers can manytimes require a dedicated space for it. My lighthouses are screwed into the wall, and moving them would require some work versus just rescanning the room

[ruby burrow]

The camera based tracking is easily good enough for anything spare super competitive gaming (eg, pro level Beatsaber)
The biggest limitation is just being incompatible with extra tracker based FBT.

[hidden lake]

I play expert + beat saber, at our last meetup someone dragged their windows MR in

and the playstyle differences. Hoo boy

[ruby burrow]

Which for some is a big deal, but that's a hefty extra expense in it's own right already.

[foggy heart]

yeah, then that shouldn't be a big deal for someone that's using vr more recreationally than anything 🤔

[subtle prawn]

Its really only a big deal if you want to go that route. Not even sure if there are a huge library of games that even support the trackers

[hidden lake]

Right, it's perfect for casually enjoying it :)

[ruby burrow]

Well, this game is a literal trap for tempting people to get FBT, but yeah, you get all the best parts of VR still with a Rift-S. Roomscale and 360 degree freedom.

[ruby needle]

it's rather interesting as there is not much else to use them with too

[vocal shard]

I mean if im just playing beat saber , vrchat then rift s but if im doing any other major then valve

[ruby burrow]

I know multiple friends who owned a Rift and then later purchased a Vive, just to get the FBT. Has been kind crazy to watch my friend group all one by one doing it.

[vocal shard]

Lol

[subtle prawn]

I hope they don't just sit around looking into the mirror all day with FBT 😑

[hidden lake]

I just read that upload vr article about playing beatsaber in 144 hz and that's really what sold me for this upgrade

[ruby burrow]

And yeah, I am a bit surprised that so little has even tried any form of FBT yet. I mean, at least now that VR-Chat has been building the customer base for them.

[foggy heart]

it seems for the most part that the rift is an entry point for people just getting into vr
the only issue now is choosing between the inside-out tracking of the rift s or the external sensors for the rift

[hidden lake]

It's hands down my favorite VR game. Experiencing it the best way possible is gonna be NUTS

[ruby burrow]

For a game not using custom avatars, you'd think it would be easier to implement than it is for VR-Chat.

[lunar shell]

Be careful with rift s if you get motion sickness. That loss from 90 to 80hz might matter and lack of mechanical ipd adjustment hurts.

[ruby burrow]

Easy examples that could really use even hip tracking alone, would be shooters. They need it so bad.

[hidden lake]

From what i've heard, the 90 to 80 hz diff isn't too noticable, but the no mechanical IPD I think is bad

[vocal shard]

Thiz is all so confusing lol😭😭

Reviewers so far have said they don't notice a difference between the 80-90hz

[lunar shell]

I still think odyssey plus is better

[ruby needle]

80 is still more then enogh

[ruby burrow]

The lack of ability to keep an inventory vest hugging your actual torso is a problem for that genre.

[vocal shard]

I enjoy the Odyssey+

[lunar shell]

Plus you can get if for cheaper when it's on sale.

[vocal shard]

$299 when on sale 👌

[ruby burrow]

Odyssey+ = Notably better display, slightly harder to run (performance wise), tracking coverage less ideal for games. Cheaper when on sale.
Rift-S = Slightly easier to run, better tracking coverage, lack of IPD adjust, worse display.

[vocal shard]

^

Basically yeah

[ruby burrow]

I guess nicer controllers on the Rift-S too? I know they changed them from the original touch controllers though, so not sure how different it is.

[vocal shard]

The ring is flipped and the little touch pad is gone

Otherwise the same

[ruby needle]

little touch pad?

[vocal shard]

The circle with the capacitive sensor

[subtle prawn]

I'm wanting to try the new one since the ring thing, could be a bit weird to do open hand when I just fit my hands into the already there under ring the rift have

[ruby needle]

these circle thinges are a touchpad

[vocal shard]

No, idk what to call it

[hidden lake]

Ive never used an oculus controller, but i'm very pumped for knuckles

[ruby needle]

the ring on top is actually a bummer tho

[subtle prawn]

Not sure what it is really, the little circle 🤔

[lunar shell]

Knuckles will be so much better than wands.

[ruby needle]

ring on top ruins the weight balnce the OG ring had

the of just lays in your hand

[vocal shard]

i don't care about the controllers because not like im gonna look at them in vr

It's more the feel of the controllers

Adding to immersion, or just feature

[ruby burrow]

Oh. Just saw the new Paimax controllers. Apparently called "Paimax Sword Controllers". '-'

[vocal shard]

lol what

Lol. They look like knuckles and touch mixed.... Is that allowed?

So much competition it seems

[queen mango]

Yep. Mind you, competition like that breeds all sorts of innovation

[ruby burrow]

https://gyazo.com/ac5af57082d3811b231f350469bb2deb

[vocal shard]

or oversaturates the market... Remember 1983

[ruby burrow]

The top interface (or whatever you call it) is interesting.

[queen mango]

No regulations in that time, though. No regards for quality unlike here

And it was a different market there; the Video Game market

[ruby burrow]

They've almost literally used one vive pad layout, and one touch controller stick layout.

[vocal shard]

Lol

Their site let's you choose what type you want for each hand. If you could get the touch style with capacitive sensors, they could possibly be a cheaper alternative for Vive users if knuckles are too much (depending on price)

[ruby burrow]

Yeah, I was just seeing that.

[vocal shard]

So much to choose from... So little money. Lol

[ruby burrow]

Haha.

[vocal shard]

That indeeddd

[ruby burrow]

I've been following the natural lighthouse based path, sort locking myself into it due to FBT. Paimax has always been that slightly awkward outlier, too expensive to really consider. Would be interesting if they can keep growing and provide direct competition though.

[vocal shard]

Pimax promised so much in such a short time. I think that hurt them a bit. Even now as their headsets are starting to release, they're already making revised versions out of stronger materials. They have potential, but I think they still need just a bit more work

[ruby burrow]

Yeah. Has been one of the other main things that kept them from being a consideration for me. The company as a whole has that air of uncertainty and trying to do a lot for as cheap as possible.

But definitely has potential.

[vocal shard]

They came a long way from the old 4k... cheap Headache machine to one of the best VR experiences out there

[ruby burrow]

One other aspect is honestly just the hammerhead shark like headset design, and how it looks like it would be distracting and get in the way. My favourite things in VR, are moving around a lot, or moving around very little. If you get what I mean.

High action games or dancing, and also laying around lounging.

[vocal shard]

Yeah. Which oddly enough brings us back to the quest. I think the freedom of movement is something that makes people love it so much

[ruby burrow]

It looks more ideal for something like a flight simulator, where you're not flapping your arms or turning 180 at a moments notice, and can forget it's there.

Laying it on a pillow is an absolute non-starter.

[vocal shard]

Lol, sleeping in VR with a pimax 👀

[ruby burrow]

From Youtube comments, I feel like I noticed that a lot of people hyped for the Quest are Rift-CV1 owners who never got the 3rd sensor. But yeah, the lack of wire combined with roomscale should do well to impress people, even at the limited specs.

[dense meadow]

i havent logged onto vr for a long time and noticed the rigging for my hair is gone, how do i fix this

[vocal shard]

I'm tempted to stick with my current pc VR, and get a quest just because I want to bring it everywhere and share VR with my family and friends.

[ruby burrow]

I was initially perhaps overly critical of the Quest, simply due to my obvious focus on VR-Chat and higher spec games.
But it should hopefully do the most important part of convincing people that VR is the real deal, and that's putting them in the virtual world and letting them immerse and interact freely.

Needs to dispel the horrible shadow that 3DoF phone VR has put over peoples concept of what VR means.

[vocal shard]

I'd also love to show VR to my bedridden grandpa. He's been stuck in the same room for 10 years

[queen mango]

I'd love to show VR to the Philippine masses, who thinks that VR is only a gimmick

[vocal shard]

Would love to take him back to Denmark in Google Earth

[ruby burrow]

@dense meadow The game implemented a dynamic bone limiter option, in the Safety>Performance menu.

[dense meadow]

ah thanks

[ruby burrow]

You can turn it off, or adjust your personal limit numbers of how many an avatar can have before they get disabled.

(Though adjusting numbers is done outside of the game, and I've not gone looking for it yet.)

Mhmm. That would be the best feature of the Quest for me too. Would offer incredibly little to me directly, but that would be nice.

That will be interesting to see, when it's out. People just taking it all over getting a high off of sharing and showing it off. xD

[vocal shard]

^^

Actually, thinking about it, I would actually use it quite a bit. There's plenty of times when I just want to hop in 10-15 minutes for a quick game of beatsaber or something, but going through the process of setting the computer up and the time to get it ready usually just makes me put it off until I'm at a time where I already have the pc powered up.

I think that's a big appeal

[subtle prawn]

Would be great for parties

[vocal shard]

🎊

[ruby needle]

i dont know why everyone has so many "settings it up" things... just... put the HMD on and play

[vocal shard]

with a vrcover and disinfectant wipes
👌

[ruby needle]

unless you tear your whole setup down all the time

[ruby burrow]

Back when I was in hospital, there was this moment where I utterly astounded this (very very) elderly man in the next bed over.
He was talking about his time serving in the navy, and kept mentioning the ships name. I looked it up on google with my laptop whilst he talked to his relatives, and found dozens of photos.

[vocal shard]

My pc is powered down most of the time

[subtle prawn]

Nah, forget the wipes, let the sweat sit in too 😏

[ruby burrow]

I turned my screen and spoke up to ask if this was the right ship, and it seemed like I nearly killed him. ^ ^;

[ruby needle]

you wont exactly have your Quest powered on all time either

[subtle prawn]

2-3 hrs depending on game

[ruby burrow]

He was so amazed to just see a stranger suddenly show him photos of his past out of nowhere.

On the other topic, I'm the kind who typically turns on my PC when I wake up, before going to the toilet or having breakfast, and turns it off the very last thing I do before sleeping, after brushing my teeth.

[subtle prawn]

Ye same,

[vocal shard]

I work on my laptop mostly and my PC is just gaming. So it's usually off until about 12 morning when I go on vrchat

[ruby burrow]

Whenever I leave the house it's almost always for a "mission" which allows no room for playing games on the go, so that feature of the Quest would almost never get used for me.

And booting up my Vive is litterally just putting it on and picking up the controllers whilst the PC monitor remains asleep.

But that's just me obviously. Everyone uses differently.

[vocal shard]

Yeah if it's up and running it's quick I guess.

Different habbits

[ruby burrow]

Press button on the controller and the headset turns on. Takes seconds. But yeah.

The part that makes it take a bit longer is unplugging all the trackers, putting those on, carefully tucking my shirt so it can't hang over the waist one, etc. ^ ^;

One thing to miss about non FBT VR-Chat. "Oh hey, Aku is online." > Saying hi to him almost immediately. Compared to quickly scrabbling around trackers, "oops I forgot to turn them on, gotta restart the game", then "Oh snap, I was sitting on the bed, and now my virtual feet are underneath it, thus cannot be locked in..."

[vocal shard]

Oof

[rancid vessel]

vrchat pug won't let me in at all

the instances say your pug is still loading please wait for like the past few minutes now.

[torn pelican]

That seems to be a common occurrence.

[stiff summit]

hey

[midnight skiff]

what is wrong with thses servers

Every night it's the same damn problem

[verbal onyx]

Server load is probably too great. That might be why we get disconnected to much :/

[midnight skiff]

It was never like this when vrchat was at it's prime last year

[verbal onyx]

Server providers dscrewing up shrugs

[rigid crescent]

there were also a lot of other issues with VRchat last year lol

[timid garnet]

Yeah that has improved alot, but youd think they wouldve fixed it on at least the second night.

[rigid crescent]

i mean if i ahd to guess its not something that easily fixed lol

[cinder wharf]

Having connection issues right now

[uncut gorge]

Same. This is day 6 of this shit. Myself and several friends randomly disconnected several times a night. Makes it hard to do anything.

[true timber]

ya hello pls fix the servers

[uncut gorge]

it's always the same, black screen, back to home world, sometimes sits at loading screenforever, sometimes actually connects to home world

[keen zodiac]

oh would you look at that started back up at the same time again smhhh

[true timber]

has been broken for the past week, dunno if its ddos or w/e but sucks

[willow island]

Is there a channel for finding worlds with specific theme in mind?

[true timber]

doubt it's the server load this late on a weekday

[uncut gorge]

dev team needs to ackknowledge it at least. there is no way they don't see the eluge of posts in t heir official discord every time this shit happens

and yeah it happens even at 4am EST

and other low pop times

https://vrchat.canny.io/bug-reports/p/random-disconnects-from-worlds-not-entire-game-no-new-login-requiered please upvote that if you're having the random blackscreen disconnects and being sent back to home world all the time

[vocal shard]

...

[dark wadi]

This disconnect issue is bad today. Worst I've seen in a year of playing

[uncut gorge]

yup

quality of service is awful this past week

and they still haven't said anything about it

[dark wadi]

Im getting mcd's therapy irl who wants cheeseburger? Hah

[uncut gorge]

sounds lovely but I don't need any more burgers

[uneven forge]

Any possibility to be able in using 2017.4.10f1? That is the closest version on Linux :(

[subtle prawn]

Nope 😦

[vocal shard]

....

[hushed harness]

random tp so fun lmao

10/10 " too many crashers " ign

[hallow vine]

eesh i got 0.1 fps i swear

[stiff iron]

hello

[marble island]

hi

[slate verge]

hello

[vocal shard]

Pimax master race

Y R U Gei

[slate verge]

so for the htc vive does anyone know the full set for it? like what what are the equipments that i needed for full body experience. Because when i tried to order the vive on amazon it recommended me with two more other items with the vive. I was wondering if those are needed too.

[alpine crater]

when you say full body, do you mean real fully body, like feet and hips tracking, or just the full regular vive kit?

Normal vive kit is the headset, wand controllers and 2 base stations (stations and controllers included)

for full body you need that plus 3 Vive Trackers to attach to yourself

but that gets quite expensive

[slate verge]

@alpine crater oh i see then my assumption is correct, those other two sets are required for full body tracking then.

thanks bloodninja! i'll definitely keep an eye out

[alpine crater]

no worries

[sleek bone]

What's with russians and Public instances.

[vocal shard]

dunno but i find some of them nice and funny lol

[tacit plank]

Has Japan Shrine been taken down again?

A guy ripped it and reuploaded it
The original author is Japanese, and it happened recently, so I'm not sure if the staff knows about it yet

[tribal orbit]

!online

[floral flax]

There are 5097 users in VRChat currently

[novel shoal]

Hey guys! How to fix VRChat always sending me at the Error World?
Having quite a problem there

Based on what I got from the error log - it is unable to download the world asset, but the present links works just alright

Nevermind. That, somehow, fixed itself by either full data erasure, or router restart

[sleek bone]

@tacit plank

TIL Japan Shrine world was taken down because of visual novel based on vrchat
The creator of the world didn’t want his world to be used as a background
The visual novel devs quickly removed the pictures so he put it up again

He had a warning for this
https://i.imgur.com/M7PHHby.png

If anyone wonders why it isn’t public it’s due to the arguements with the vrc devs that you cannot set your own terms (like putting up rules of your world not being used as a background of a game)

Visual novel in question
https://booth.pm/en/items/1234349

[tacit plank]

I see, thanks for the info!
I'm sure that another user cache-ripped it and uploaded it though

https://twitter.com/rootgentle/status/1123873673201508352

[sleek bone]

Japan Shrine is technically available as a rip and legitimate upload

However, the legitimate upload is still up for debate for it being public.

Reasons said above

You can access through a portal I think

[tacit plank]

Stealing avatars is against the rules, it should be the same with worlds right? If they're direct rips

I'm not talking about the original japan shrine right now, but one uploaded by a guy named たかゆき

[sleek bone]

I don't know what will the vrcdevs do

about it.

[rigid crescent]

I mean they usually remove stuff if the owner asks

And at least a few admin speak Japanese according to JP friends so that's not an issue.

[languid beacon]

All alone in VRC Home, I get 33 fps on Steam version but solid 90 on Oculus version. Does anyone know why that would be? I want to use Steam version but am not sure why it’s performing so badly for me.

[dreamy wadi]

I really need some help, my game thinks i am using an xbox controller and is moving backwards and breaking the game?

[languid beacon]

My first question is do you actually have a controller connected to your PC

[dreamy wadi]

Nein

Haven't in months

Totally random this

[covert linden]

Have you restarted your systeM?

[dreamy wadi]

just did let me see

That fixed it

Windows's fault not vrchat, i reinstalled the game and it did nothing

[covert linden]

...always restart the system first

[short wagon]

depressing honestly

[vocal shard]

Well. I still have a hard time choosing. It is really my first time doing VR, and I just wanna make sure my first time is good. Full body I was thinking about getting, but not right away. I am trying to choose between Vive and Rift S, and I dont wanna make no mistakes on first buying. My pc has Intel core i7 32gb memory, nvidia GeForce rtx 2070 2tb and 480gn solid state drive . would really appreciate some help (: idk what other section to ask.

[foggy heart]

if you’re absolutely certain about fbt then the vive is your best bet

[covert linden]

The rift S has no sensors, and it wont be ideal at ALL for full body, but no sensors is actually really nice, it means roomscale and no lighthouses. But yes, if you want the FBT either a vive headset, or valve

[foggy heart]

most people new to vr will start with oculus since it’s pricing is friendlier

[covert linden]

issue is this is the S, which idek if it can do full body

[foggy heart]

it won’t

[covert linden]

the rift is no longer for sale

Good to know thank you, didnt think so

[inner cape]

that is incorrect

rift is still being sold, just not produced