and now im in a loading screen with nothing loading
#vrchat-general-2
vocal shard
flint yoke
The EU server's seem to be having a problem atm
vocal shard
ahh, ok
sweet cipher
So in theory I wouldn’t need to buy a new sensor, I would just put one on the ground and mount one on the wall?
flint yoke
Yeah, that's how i made do when i used the rift
sweet cipher
Ill look into that thanks again!!
flint yoke
No worries
heavy timber
Great,constantly getting indefinitely frozen (no crash/no message), Instant-Crashed (no freeeze/no message) and sent home.
this has been going on for weeks now with no resolution in sight.
ruby needle
@heavy timber no resolution in sight like that beta going on right now you mean?
covert linden
Fpaul :D
rigid crescent
Gotem
orchid relic
comes to this discord hoping to see that vrchat is aware of and working on the invite system being utter broken for the last few days
last post is about the ddos/cloudflare stuff a bit ago
feels bad man
velvet quarry
Mornin' Waco
orchid relic
howdy afro
Its to a point I'm just not going to try to join anything that isnt a friends event. because I wont be able to
velvet quarry
I dooo believe they're aware of it, but posting about it in the canny or support email would probably be a good way to confirm.
orchid relic
yeah, I just dont wanna slow them down with duplicates
but I guess its about time I start complaining
weary bison
I'll be going through new canny posts later today, so I can merge it without it eating up staff time if it's a dupe
rigid crescent
Pls merge the less detailed ones into the more detailed ones, internally it might not matter but I've seen too many well detailed ones get merged into a "uhhhh ~drool~ gaem no work"
frosty cape
Hi
paper hound
@covert chasm thanks for the update. That bug was pretty annoying. Keep up the good work, I really enjoy your game.
earnest quiver
Now they just need to fix the bug where you try to join a world and it just loads and wont give you the 'enter' button.
covert linden
@earnest quiver you can disable the go button
noble comet
looking for a friend, DM me
ruby burrow
@paper hound Lol. Tupper isn't the owner or a developer, he's the games community manager. Though it's probably nicer for him to get that rather than the typical situation of being blamed for everything he has no part in. : P
paper hound
@ruby burrow I'm fairly new to the community, I'm not to sure who the dec team is in particular. Either way, seeing updates are always a good thing. I'm genuinely grateful.
viral pumice
...careful ping staff as well.. not something we are meant to do for non emergency. Though I did think what you said was nice 😁
vocal shard
Rooms still wont load in, im only getting 0.00 / 0.00 B
and that weird gibberish announcement
paper hound
@viral pumice Noted, thanks.
void swallow
I'm guessing the issues like avatar favouriting not functioning properly on Steam version at least will be addressed at later date? At least I've been experiencing issues on both removing and adding stuff there.
ruby burrow
I suppose you could always argue that it's technically Tuppers job to pass on that good will message. 🙂
Though yeah, not supposed to ping staff casually. Busy people.
vocal shard
now i cant even play it 😦
polar elm
Restart
vocal shard
i did, like heaps of times
polar elm
😦
iron kestrel
Can you play with a vr headset and controls without the pc?
north axle
Only on Oculus Quest or Go.
umbral reef
On the Go is only for a test build. Wont be supported at all in the future
iron kestrel
How would the go work anyway?
tacit plank
A friend of mine has been unable to log in for over a week now
umbral reef
Badly is the answer really
tacit plank
Also on the website
umbral reef
Its only to test worlds on an andriod product.
There is a reason they will drop all its support instantly the quest is there.
iron kestrel
So its not for playing
umbral reef
Its for testing avatars and worlds for when the quest version releases.
iron kestrel
Just gotta get some research before I get vr
north axle
@paper crag Are you looking for a VR-only experience?
iron kestrel
@paper crag it really is
umbral reef
@paper crag Make sure your PC can run it though. You need a fairly strong PC to run VR games.
Also- You could try out the game without VR as there is a desktop version.
wintry mist
is there any way to get rid of the numbers on my name when logging in using oculus account?
north axle
@paper crag Here, you may need this to test your PC.
https://store.steampowered.com/app/323910/SteamVR_Performance_Test/
rigid crescent
You can get the Quest if your PC can't handle it
modern sand
@wintry mist You would need to create an account on the VRChat website
wintry mist
Ah and then you link that account with oculus?
modern sand
We don't have the option to link oculus accounts and VRChat account quite yet
rigid crescent
Oh oculus can't link accounts can they?
modern sand
But otherwise that would be the option
iron kestrel
How much is the quest if it was announced
wintry mist
Oh no worries was just curious. Thanks for the reply 😃
tacit plank
Is VRChat banned in Korea?
umbral reef
@iron kestrel Base model is 400$
iron kestrel
No
north axle
I don't think so, but I'm not from Korea.
iron kestrel
Same
umbral reef
@tacit plank No its some dumbass rumor that ofcours started thanks to the cloudfare crap
tacit plank
A Korean friend can't log into the game or website though
umbral reef
@tacit plank Get them to do the basic steps of restarting there router if they use a dynamic IP
tacit plank
They didn't really play doing the cloudflare issue, but I guess I will tell them
languid beacon
I didn’t get the cloudflare ban/captcha spam but I did get hit with super throttled loading
Which was somehow fixed by making a new account
Could be coincidence
Made old one work too
umbral reef
If you ever get it again and have an dynamic IP- Mind trying to just restarting the thing?
languid beacon
Restarting router? Didn’t help
white lichen
is blocking people for no reason bannable
white lichen
if someone is blocking you tho does it affect the reputation of your rank ?
velvet quarry
If it does, I don't think it does to any considerable amount
You'd have to get blocked by a whole lot of people I think
hoary ridge
with vrchat quest. do they mean for the oculus quest?
near sky
Yes.
hoary ridge
oh nice
near sky
It will be an element-reduced version of the game. More information here in #quest-info
hoary ridge
wow that means ill already buy the quest
ruby needle
it's vrchat, but a different one
hoary ridge
btw does Hate speech of any kind is prohibited mean no swearing?
ruby needle
at least thats how it's gonna play out realisticly
hoary ridge
well the quest has worse quality
ruby needle
@hoary ridge Yes, if you start to swear around here we gonna fucking yeet out outta here 
hoary ridge
oh so no?
ruby needle
(well, reasonable swearing is okay all a contex thing)
hoary ridge
oh okay then about the vrchat quest thing. FUCK YEAH
near sky
👊
ruby needle
ok buddy 
near sky
you're under arrest
north axle
JoJo reference.
near sky
I thought soo!
hoary ridge
what
near sky
Or nevermind
hoary ridge
jk
near sky
wait
north axle
Also, if you watch Avdol closely in the first outro of Part 3, he's got two right hands.
near sky
It was an elaborate ruse
ruby needle
ok buddy
atomic girder
um
brave totem
People are going around saying there's gonna be a massive DDoS attack on VRC today.
I don't have like... proof or anything and I know saying rumors is bad but... I feel like it needs to be shared incase it's true
Low key on VRChat anyway cuz IDGAF
rigid crescent
It's fake. All rumors are fake.
hoary ridge
yesterday was weird. like 20 ugandan knuckles came and alot of people who crashed games
atomic girder
I wasnt able to log into game for past few days tho...
hoary ridge
they crashed me and my friends 3 times
atomic girder
I could log in when i used vpn which means
brave totem
I mean 10/10 people say DDoS is gonna happen and it doesn't so...
atomic girder
my ip has blocked
atomic girder
Idk reason, Im not crasher or sth and I think not only me but also lots of koreans
it was one of the biggest topic in korean forum aswell
About server problem ddos things blah blah
hoary ridge
i mean they planned it. they had ultra big animations
vocal shard
All I see is the word crasher and I'm just stopping by to make a comment about how cancerous they are
atomic girder
oh um
brave totem
Goes back into hiding now
hoary ridge
gtg bye¨
atomic girder
byby
hoary ridge
🖐 🖐
vocal shard
I just don't understand why crashers even bother doing what they do. If you really wanted the ability to get rid of people, just block the ones you don't like.
It's that simple.
It gives them a feeling of power or something. Why does a bully pick on people?
viral pumice
^
velvet zephyr
some people just want to see world burn
viral pumice
Eh, it is what it is.
vocal shard
I understand the feeling of power, and I completely get what you're saying about a bully picking on people, but I still think avatar uploading should be WAY stricter based off of polygons, file size, etc.
pastel crane
Suuup ppl
atomic girder
Um..quick question
pastel crane
For who
atomic girder
How many %s of vrchat players are asian do u guys think?
tidal aspen
power tripping script kiddies obv
near sky
Don't have that information; but it's a growing number. I assume you'd be surprised.
vocal shard
I mean if I had to guess...like 25 or 30%? Why do you ask, Myo?
near sky
VRC staff might have regional data; I just know I don't
atomic girder
hmm...
I know theres always racist or such a bad ppl everywhere but
I experience racism everyday. literary everyday
vocal shard
That's the VRChat community for you. I'm not like that, but most people are. It's considered "comedy" to today's standards.
near sky
Heavy subject very directed by world-lens; but it's something that comes with the human experience.
The internet's.. a little different for sure. A lot more readiness to step over certain bounds.
@hallow forge Hey there. How're you?
vocal shard
The internet gives a person the illusion that they can say whatever they want. It makes them feel safe knowing that the person they're being mean to is probably days of travel away.
atomic girder
Yea but I thought this game should be different
viral pumice
Well not everyone is as bad as that. So just keep that in mind. Some of us act the same here as we do irl. Food 🥘 for thought 💭
near sky
Solutions that don't backfire are hard to find just the same; so I tend towards tailoring a group of people you trust and enjoy around this. - Create a group you can love without this problem; try and block or mute if something is really bothering you. There's no improving people. 
atomic girder
Since they are here to meet ppl..xD
vocal shard
I understand that, Myo. But VRChat is just another place on the internet. You can find some people who are extremely nice and sweet, and others who just want to see you upset and angry.
subtle prawn
Maybe those people are also just trying to get as much blocks as they can 🤷
vocal shard
Lol, probably so. I know a guy that used to get on VRChat just to see how many people he could get to block him.
atomic girder
loll
umbral reef
Be sure to report all of those bad people
They cant clear the game if people dont properly report
vocal shard
But you know, most of the time as games age, the community becomes way less toxic. User count starts to go down, but that smaller number of people are people who actually enjoy the game. I feel like that will be the future of VRC.
atomic girder
Im enjoying vrc for 7 months ❤ Hope I can enjoy till I go to military service
polar elm
That’s the same for the beginning of a game
vocal shard
Oh wow, well best of luck to you, Myo!
near sky
Yes; definitely ❤
vocal shard
Huh...it seems people on the VRC discord are much nicer than the users who just play the game itself.
Anyone know how to merge an Oculus account with a VRC one, or is that unimplemented as of yet?
As far as I know, you can only link a steam account.
umbral reef
Unimplemented
near sky
@vocal shard Not sure entirely about that. Maybe. ^^ I think it depends on where you look. Even in really populated mainland maps (Hub, pug, etc) a lot of the smaller groups, quieter people are lovely.
lethal summit
i have finaly switched my self from win7 back to win8.0
lusty grove
you switched back to win8 .. are you sane?
lethal summit
ima trying out the vrchat.
vocal shard
I really enjoy VRChat. But I have extremely bad social anxiety. I have trouble talking to others. When people get mad at me, I'm not even mad about it, I'm just hurt. I guess you could call me harmless or weak.
lethal summit
@lusty grove win10 doesnt work for me i can only use 8 and 7
near sky
I have a similar struggle; in some ways, although I notice it's a lot more.. hidden, behind a sort of wall -but it's there.
It becomes a lens for all interaction experience, and it makes hurt a lot more.. impactful, even from the subtle I imagine.
I respect you push through that
vocal shard
So I'm not alone. That's nice to know.
lethal summit
alright frist glitch i have and i had this before is this...i hear my own voice in the vrchat but this time the other ppls do hear me
when i fixed this i had to reinstall vrchat
yes same thing happened before too
to run vrchat correctly i need to install vrchat twice for some reason.
mouth sync doesnt work
near sky
@vocal shard You're not; my name's Mute_ on VRC if you ever see me or wanted to add me. You can always come chat with me if you can get yourself to. Same boat, but the dock's open.
lethal summit
just like before
near sky
Is this only while VRC is open?
vocal shard
Wait...I've seen I you think. I've never spoken to you but I saw you in a world about like a month ago. I could be wrong.
near sky
Could be! I get around 😄
vocal shard
I added you on discord by the way. I might be on VRChat later today or tomorrow.
near sky
Perfect! Sounds great ❤
atomic girder
Already 1.40am here..
vocal shard
Don't fall asleep with the headset on. Trust me @atomic girder I know from experience...
Oh I do that all the time
near sky
Nasty mark on the face from that; if you get the angle wrong that is
vocal shard
Oof.
Sometimes I'll sleep with others in private worlds. It's quite enjoyable. Kinda just an online sleepover in a way.
atomic girder
I sleep while listening music everyday
vocal shard
what does one do when you legit cant even play the game anymore cause it doesnt load rooms and gets stuck on "0.00 / 0.00B"
nd the weird gibberish announcement
lusty grove
rant tweet reee
slender steeple
i usually reboot the game or my laptop
near sky
Clearing cache may be worthwhile
lusty grove
full cache would show avatars as red
vocal shard
ive rebooted the game, cleared cache many times 😦
near sky
Wasn't thinking full cache as much as incorrect caching
If it's been done that's out of the cards though
covert linden
@lusty grove It can also do the 0.0%, and Crazh the game more.
undone perch
gonna be playing VRChat later tonight with some friends who have never played before, does anyone have any suggestions for worlds we could visit (none of us have VR, so stuff that requires two hands wouldn't work)
kind wedge
Visit That Pool by our favorite Community Manager Tupper 
languid beacon
You can’t merge them. Maybe in the future. For now if you want to upload you have to make a vrchat account and rank it up to new user (blue)
cyan lantern
yeah mine just did the 0.00%, how do i avoid that?
subtle prawn
@undone perch Try Duck Hunt world too 
ivory frost
@vocal shard I saw your comment regarding people on the discord being nicer than in the game. I haven't had any seriously negative experiences in the game, but I do agree with you that the discord communities for VRchat and really VR in general are all very enjoyable. I too find them almost as if not as enjoyable as the games themselves.
Maybe it's just because they are an option when playing isn't. The support and help people give each other is amazing though.
vocal shard
god....imagine if discord added a function to join friends sessions...or something..especially vrchat...lol
that would be a disaster...lol
rigid crescent
How?
supple void
i have trouble loading into other worlds
rigid crescent
You can already join friends in VRchat and most steam games and other clients.
ivory frost
Random comment. I have been pretty interested in the strategies around the Oculus Quest. My initial reaction was negative seeing the quest as a potential threat to the quality of all VR experiences. But now I realized a different perspective. Those of us with Rifts and Vives already have a premium experience. By developers side stepping in an attempt to gain users instead of moving forward all of our devices will be safely supported for a long time. Had Oculus released a rift 2 then the rich kids would be happy but those of us who were very fortunate to build up a gaming PC and get an original would have to begin to fear obsolescence.
The Quest and Rift S both pretty much guarantee many more years of Rift Support as well which is a good thing for all of us, and those still wanting to get VR too.
twilit urchin
besides most people dont get vr without checking everything through first so they should know whats the real power vr can have
ruby needle
The big problem about the quest, it's por performance and required extra limits and implementation is that it'll end up beeing a "mobile" and a "pc" community
and maybe a small part actively going to use crossplay instances / content
twilit urchin
hmm true that might pose a problem
pastel isle
hi
twilit urchin
hey
ivory frost
I think it is a very bad purchase if someone's main interest is VRchat.
pastel isle
i wish i had a vr
ruby needle
it absolutely is
queen mango
There is already a divide between PC and Mobile, even before the Quest was brought up
pastel isle
and a good quality graphics card
ivory frost
My main concern is having the PC experience get limited and diminished for the benefit of Quest users. The cross play as proposed is a good solution.
vocal shard
I think I’m playing too much vr
ivory frost
I think the foundation is there for users to decide the direction. If people like making Quest and Crossplay content and people use it then it will increase. If interest drops in PC only worlds then what can be done? But I appreciate that there is no effort to compromise everything to support full crossplay.
rigid crescent
I don't think it's really a divide in the sense that most people have used the word (rank, performance symbol, desktop/VR, etc)
Simply because we were never together to divide in the first place.
ivory frost
There are more limitations than just polygons and shading. PC Crossplay worlds will not match PC only worlds. They will be better than the Quest version though.
The unknown is how many new Quest users there will be and how many will be drawn to crossplay to join friends. I suspect the current model will stay the best solution for the forseeable future though. But I digress, I didn't mean to go on and on. I just think its good for all of us that our existing investments are not going to be made obsolete as fast as a Galaxy.
lunar shell
I think getting the quest for vrchat is not a good idea. Short battery life, you won't be able to upgrade unless you buy a whole new headset. Many worlds that your friends go to, you won't be able to go to.
rigid crescent
I don't know single person interested in visiting quest worlds simply because it requires creating a new avatar to even be seen
I'm sure there will be an initial hype as with everything but besides that I can't see much crossover
lunar shell
For $500 you could get an cheaper wmr hmd with money to spare for a computer upgrade and a better vrchat experience
ivory frost
I agree with that approach Storm.
Honestly a CV1 is still worth buying though I guess getting a used one gets sketchy. With new stuff on the horizon a cheap WMR might be the best way to wait out developments and let other people be the guinea pigs for issues and customer support.
There is certainly nothing wrong with VRchat being available to Quest users in some degree, but I feel obligated as a public service to discourage anyone who has already wanted VR for VRchat from getting a Quest. What they have wanted VR to be part of the Quest just simply won't do.
lunar shell
I just hope people have realistic expectations using the Quest. More than likely for a long while, it will be quest users hanging out with quest friends in the same quest worlds.
ruby needle
it wont get better even in the long run
the mobile platform simply lacks hardware capabilities to support content that PC can.
but yeah, it's important that people know what they buy into
lunar shell
It may slowly get better but then you'll need the quest 2 and another $500.
ruby needle
yes, hardware limit wise there wont be a better till another gen whiche eventually does have the capabilities.
ivory frost
Those are good points too. PC's can usually be upgraded some, but these restrictions on the quest permanent. If it is successful then developers may create better mobile shaders, etc to improve it some, but for the most part they already get all they can out of technology anyway.
ruby needle
I would love to do something propper but no chance i can get my avatar okayish looking below 5k
im gonna upload a 2d sprite
so i am at least not default
¯_(ツ)_/¯
ruby burrow
I very much predict existing desktop owners that buy a Quest to join the VR scene in VR-Chat, will still end up playing desktop mode a lot.
They will miss all the features that the Quest version won't have, and will resent getting left behind by their existing friend groups.
ruby needle
if you have desktop vr and buy into quest (for VRChat)
you have a serious propblem
or too much money
change my mind
ruby burrow
Their Quest will run out of battery life, so they'll naturally switch back to desktop to charge it, but then stay there to avoid being unable to join their friends again.
ivory frost
I think Vrchat on quest is best for people who are already getting Quest for another reason. Giving them some access to VRchat is cool, but existing users will be let down. Like I said elsewhere. If you watch the trailer for VRchat on Steam or Oculus you will see it is full of content that won't be on Quest. That is the same content that makes VRchat popular.
ruby needle
i mean, you can setup a powerbank / cable can't you
subtle prawn
What even is the battery life of the Quest?
ivory frost
Squishy I have been making the same prediction about desktop users.
ruby needle
game time propably an hour or so
subtle prawn
1hr of vrchat
gg
ruby burrow
"(for VRChat)"
I was about a contest that before the edit. A Quest will still be a nice extra for casual VR overall, and maybe even ideal for a certain selection of the simplest games like Super Hot.
But given the edit I very much agree yeah.
ivory frost
Right, and Beat Saber appears like it will be great on Quest.
ruby needle
i'd rather buy a rift S and use it with a IGPU and safe mode then a quest for VRChat
or WMR
ivory frost
That's what good about VRC Quest support is for those who will have it anyway. I just feel bad for the people who aren't paying attention and think they will get the existing experience with a Quest. It won't be close. It can't be.
ruby needle
the best thing to do with the quest is consider it as a wearable 3D cinema
then it can only get better from there on
ivory frost
I have a second CV1 for my old gaming Rig. I considered selling the whole rig and having a quest for guests, but I realized it won't cut it.
ruby burrow
Yeah, very much. So many people are just gobbling up the hype and marketing for the Quest without seeming to really know what they're buying into.
Whilst it's great to see so many new comers excited for VR, I do worry about how many will be disappointed.
ivory frost
It's a little too expensive to only have for Beat Saber, but that's close to being a good reason to have one. Take Beat Saber to an open space, and the battery life is good enough for what I do daily as a workout at least.
Then again, no definite mods for BS on Quest...so nevermind, lol.
ruby burrow
The Quest's biggest plus point is that it does at least offer true roomscale and freedom of movement. So it at least won't be repeating the "nearly there VR" nature of the two sensor CV-1 default package.
Despite my concerns about access to content, that is one of the most important aspects in impressing people with VR. In my opinion.
Needing to cater to deskbound VR has held back developers so much.
ivory frost
I think it really is a good move for Oculus. The Rift S is the bigger question mark of the two, but the inside out tracking will definitely make it more appealing to people who are new to VR.
ruby needle
it offers as much freedom and roomscale as a WMR or Rift S with a laptop in a backpack
except that both of thoose with actually be useable for things
ruby burrow
Rift-S offering an upgraded field of view for inside-out tracking is a good option to have in my opinion, even despite being the purist for lighthouse tracking that I am.
It's just a shame that everything else about the headset suffered from so many slight corner cutting cost reductions.
ivory frost
It's fun to discuss, but I'm most likely CV1 to the very bitter end of its useful life. I already have vive trackers so that has me waiting to see what the Index offers, but I don't expect to make another big PC or VR hardware purchase for the remainder of college.
ruby needle
If you have vive trackers and thus lighthouses the index (HMD only) is propably gonna be a really worth it thing
ruby burrow
(Rift-S) It's very nearly an ideal headset for it's target niche, but just narrowly missed it. In enough area's to earn it a trashing from most
ivory frost
People are really happy with the knuckles too. The way it straps to the hand is compelling for gestures but touch is so good already, I'm not sure what could sell me on it anytime soon.
ruby burrow
I'm very eager to learn more about the Index come May.
ivory frost
Using only lighthouses would be nice, but the Vive wasn't worth it even for that convenience.
ivory frost
Ugh...true FPaul.
ruby burrow
I can't honestly say whether I'll make the jump to upgrade right away (pending good reviews), but am very very interested.
ruby needle
the wands are a fuckign joke in that regard
lunar shell
Anything if better than the wands
ruby needle
who ever build them that way and with that capacity deserves to fired.
ivory frost
With touch and spare rechargeables batteries are never a thought....and that's nice compared to plugging in three trackers at a time to charge.
ruby needle
it's inacceptible how bad the wan's batterylife is for a controller
yes, it runs a few cameras, yes that consumes power BUT THEN DO SOMETHING TO COMPENSATE
ruby burrow
It's sadly mainly due to the tracking technology. The Vive controllers use multiple sensors and do all their computing for the tracking inside the controller itself, which requires a lot more juice.
ivory frost
So that's how the lighthouses work without being connected via USB
ruby burrow
By comparison, all the Rift controllers need to do is keep some LEDs on, and then offload all the computing work to the PC instead.
Is also why Rift's old constellation tracking requires more CPU load than Vive.
Rokk used to own the exact same CPU that I still use today, and said it was unplayable for VR-Chat.
Is a shame that the constellation tracking tech didn't have the versatility or specs that lighthouse does, because that would have been amazing otherwise.
FBT trackers with the battery life of Rift controllers.
Can't have everything I guess.
ruby needle
you could just aswell have a in sensor calculation
but that'd raise prices
not that vales are cheap
ivory frost
Yes. There is a lot that goes into their decisions. Its easy for us to see what works for us. None of these devices were built for VRchat.
So without VRchat in mind, the vive trackers turned out well suited for FBT.
ruby burrow
You mean calculation inside the Rift sensors? Yeah, that would take the edge off the performance difference, but that's overall a minor aspect anyway.
ruby needle
hearty bluff
hi
ruby burrow
It's more the range, field of view, and inability to track enough objects.
ivory frost
Their original intent was to track objects...whether a camera for mixed reality or more likely an object you could find in game.
Oculus was aware of the same use. You can ad a third touch as a tracker....They didn't consider FBT though.
ruby burrow
The obvious solution to battery life to me would seem to be allowing swappable batteries that can charge in or out of the controller.
Maybe that'd add some weight or cost? Xbox controllers worked that way though. Was an sensible and ideal setup.
ruby needle
well
ruby burrow
One battery in the dock, and one in the hand.
ruby needle
recardless of how oyu look at it
960mha is just STUPID
for the tech that needs to be ran in there
ruby burrow
Also, hi Rose.
ruby needle
with the multiple cameras / sensors and calculations 2000mHa would have been the absolute minimum to aim for
and then it would have been okay
ruby burrow
Yeah, can't disagree there.
ivory frost
I think the reason Oculus has not embraced FBT is they haven't needed to. Their touch controllers sold rifts. If they added FBT they would have sold trackers but not necessarily many more headsets.
ruby burrow
The birth of the VR industry has been stuck in this vice grip notion that no one can stand being in VR for more than an hour session at a time.
ruby burrow
Is probably part of why they felt "8 hours is fine, lets keep costs down"
covert linden
Its more like oculus is goig the cheaper route now lol
ruby needle
oculus is killing of the strong market position they had against the vive
they are just plain stupid
ivory frost
Well if you were oculus would you rather add another couple million to your eco system or sell a hundred thousand trackers to existing customers?
ruby burrow
@ivory frost No, it's the tracking tech itself. Constellation tracking has been unable to track enough objects for FBT.
covert linden
Oculus and facebook vr though, its all now facebookvr and not what it used to ve
ruby burrow
And every additional object adds more CPU load and inaccuracy.
ruby needle
and with a bit og logic behind you can asume what which tracker is
if you have a tracker closer to the ground and one higher you know what the leg and waht the hand is
and by tracking its path or even giving it a ID with a individual blinking frequency you can differenciate
the tech is there if you wanted to
definitely nothing impossible
ruby burrow
Eh, whilst I have no interest in their current products myself, I feel Oculus has been making the overall smart move on their direction for VR, at least in terms of business, and perhaps expanding the market.
ivory frost
I need to break away from this conversaton and get back to school, but I think Oculus has made it clear, they want a billion people in VR and we know Quantity and Quality don't generally go hand in hand.
ruby needle
yes
ruby burrow
It's not the VR that I want myself, but it's a market that needed to be better catered for. (Cheaper and easier)
ruby needle
it raises another problem tho
peopel goetting into mobile VR and beeing trown of as its crap
that is a issue with all the phgone VR stuff
covert linden
I think that valve didnt step in, it wouldve been a bigger deal that oculus took a few steps back, because itd be limited the market. Howeeever thats just imo
ruby needle
people judge vr as a whole on their experience there
and that wont change with quest and co
ivory frost
And truthfully most people have a smartphone mentality. People are willing to have phones as their only internet access at all even. My mom does that. So the Quest probably does have a market with people who spend $1000 on a phone but think a gaming PC is outrageous.
ruby burrow
At least until people finally realise that VR is actually worth it after all, and that spending a single hour of your life to put some little boxes on your walls isn't a big deal nor the mammoth DIY project people seem to believe it is.
ivory frost
I agree with that Rea
ruby burrow
@covert linden Yes, entirely agree.
covert linden
I was worried for awhile pc vr would be limited to Just Vive, or a budget option
ruby burrow
Oculus stepping away from high end VR would be far worse if Valve hadn't stepped in to fill the gap that HTC has been refusing to progress on.
ruby needle
i see a problem with valves move if oculus keeps their attitude
ivory frost
With HTC's slide, the Oculus Market was going to get the most attention from game developers, and they would be making Quest compatible content. Valve keeping Steam VR and PC VR compelling is probably sparing us all from having PC VR with smartphone content.
ruby needle
cus valve will again make it a strong steam market
and once established, good luck
they haven't for the first time undersold hardware to sell software
getting back into it is nearly impossible imo
covert linden
What do you mean by strong steam market?
vocal shard
Uh . . . Uhm . . . Hi?
ivory frost
I read an article where HTC's focus is now Enterprise users. I'm not an expert, but it seems the consumer market is nothing to ignore.
ruby burrow
HTC had been frustrating me a lot with how they basically locked themselves out of ever upgrading their product line, and then just chased after Oculus with the Cosmos.
vocal shard
@ivory frost I completely agree with that. In the game itself I’ve dealt with mostly negative people but maybe your experiences were different, or maybe you just appear as a better person to others. But I must say the discord communities are much calmer and nicer than people in the game itself.
covert linden
Htc in general puts me on edge.
ruby burrow
Hi Button.
desert stratus
htc weird but whatever
vocal shard
Uh . . . getting nervous-ish from being the latest newbie
desert stratus
who else is excited for the headsets of 2019
vocal shard
I smell RP
desert stratus
hold on a second
ruby burrow
My issue with HTC's direction, lies almost solely with how the Vive-Pro is an artificial blocker to progress, creating a stagnant dead end for their product line.
vocal shard
Avatar red? help?
ruby burrow
Basically, try to imagine a Vive-2 headset. How would you guys design a sequel to the regular consumer model Vive, and how would you price it?
covert linden
Imo, oculus went the wrong route and though I get what theyre doing, stopping the sales the rift wasnt the best decision. However a big thing is thats now facebook vr, not oculus, and so they really dont have to follow by any sort of morals.
ivory frost
Toileto, I'm fairly reserved in the game as I meet people. Unless I'm playing with Avatar animations or playing a game I'm generally just chatting.
covert linden
Youre right squishy, maybe the only way wpuld be if they stopped selling the vive 1 in general..
@vocal shard clear your cache #user-support-old
ivory frost
and watching...and not knowing where I fit into the madness, lol
versed dock
Whats up with the avatars? A lot of them are not available and the avatar row in the menu only has about 12 worlds. ❕❔
ruby burrow
Pretty much, you'd expect higher resolution at least equal to WMR, proper integrated audio and better strap, maybe slightly better FoV, and ideally some other feature to make it stand out, like eye tracking.
vocal shard
Haha, yeah I get that. It's funny, I'm a super anti social person yet VRChat is one of my favorite games.
Dont think thats the reason. I uploaded my avatar and everybody is loaded in other than me and same with my friends. im red for them also
ruby burrow
That would be the ideal, sensible, and reasonable Vive-2. And it would be priced at $500 to $600 for the same market.
covert linden
@vocal shard avatars broken then
vocal shard
Reupload?
covert linden
Maybe? Again #user-support-old for proper help
ruby burrow
Problem is, that's almost exactly what the Vive-Pro is, and it's been given an entirely artificial nonsense price.
ivory frost
I don't know who I am. I was a family man until a series of events made me a single father of one with no idea of what I'm into as a single person.
versed dock
Nobody has an answer? Ok lol..
covert linden
It would be, but we are still aware and if and how vive is going to like, compete with valve
@versed dock we are literally mid conversation. #user-support-old
ruby needle
I was getting something to eat so this might be a bit later.
ivory frost
I only recently have ramped up my discord usage. I guess I need to put a profile picture on my to do list.
versed dock
@covert linden wasnt talking just to you 😝
ruby needle
What i was meaning is that Valve has the possibility to push them self into a monopoly for enthusiast PC VR Gaming
by strongly bossting steam integration
ruby burrow
So HTC basically locked themselves out of ever releasing a sensible consumer grade upgrade, because to do so they'd have to slash the price on their existing premium range by an insane margin, and admit it was a scam all along.
ruby needle
and if competitors come, then understell hardware
to make them be unable to compete price wise
covert linden
Seeing as the vive was quick to compete with the oculus I wonder what there steps for vive are
ivory frost
Odonix, I don't have any idea.
versed dock
Ok
covert linden
Ahh ok thank you for clarifying Fpaul
vocal shard
@ivory frost Father? Oh wow, how old are you exactly?
ivory frost
I'm 42
covert linden
They could further that squishy, by just replacing the current vive.
'The same vive, better res, better trackers, better eye tracking!"
And sell it off as the new normal one
ruby burrow
And this is why I believe a big motivator for Valve to end the partnership and produce their own HMD, was due to seeing this self imposed stagnation.
ivory frost
But my peer group because of my circumstance seems to fall between 20 and 30. I'm single, in college, my youngest who is my only child in my care is 6 years old...
covert linden
Thats genius
ruby burrow
And why the Index looks like it's shaping up to be the spiritual "Vive-2" people have always wanted.
ruby needle
cus valve delivers what the gamer market wants
ivory frost
And I was 25 when I got married, so that's where my single life and personal passions came to a sudden stop, so I guess that's where they are trying to resume from, lol.
covert linden
My question then is, Is it going to be
Vive or valve for headsets
Or, "If you really want quality save the bit extra for valve"
Will vive be completely forgotten?
ruby needle
vive was a HTC branded HMD
Valve just did the software
the Index is a Valve developed one
vocal shard
Wow, this is definitely the first time I've ever talked to someone on discord with nearly as much life experience as my father, lol.
ruby needle
its caled "Valve Index"
ruby burrow
Unless something is unexpectedly very wrong with the Index, it will be interesting to see how HTC reacts to it, since it could quite easily make their line-up obsolete unless they cut prices considerably.
desert stratus
i wouldnt be surprised if vive just kinda disappeared after valve hits the market
covert linden
I understand that, I mean when we reccomend headsets
covert linden
Will vive then be obsoluete
ruby needle
it can use the existing basestations
covert linden
Thats pretty hilarious
desert stratus
eh, index probably wont destroy everything whether its hilariously expensive or not
ivory frost
lol
ruby burrow
I've been wondering the same Rea. Will depend on pricing.
ivory frost
Yeah, funny you say that...this one time in VRchat....
desert stratus
it will solve a lot of things though, such as "i have some muns and i want really good general purpose vr. what do i get?"
lunar shell
Vive pro will be destroyed. It's hilarious how overpriced it will be once index comes out.
ruby needle
vive pro has never been a consumer gaming thing
desert stratus
the second that i no longer have to say "it depends," index wins 2019
covert linden
The vive pro isnt a consumer headset
ruby burrow
Vive may become the budget FTB option. But given the bulk of the cost that the trackers make, it'd be hard to recommend regardless.
ruby needle
well not that easy @desert stratus
it will remain a depends
with WMR and Rift S
because they also have pros in parts
covert linden
The thing is, is it bad to say
Valve is your best bet, unless wantign a budget headset?
No more two options
ruby needle
or wanting a mobile headset
lunar shell
Even nonconsumers would be dumb to buy the vive pro now.
desert stratus
youre right actually
covert linden
No more oculus or vive, or vive and wait, just, a big valve sticker
ivory frost
Well you know how VRChat can go.....I don't generally engage in those things but I was asked to do something once that I put no thought into and they said Oh Daddy and someone else pointed out that I was old enough to be their daddy, lol. It was too much.
desert stratus
i mean more in the sense of vr though
desert stratus
pc
ruby needle
WMR and Rift S are PCVR 😃
i think the used Rift market will also be good
when people switch to Index
desert stratus
i know, i guess im kinda heavily leaning towards index as an end all because the only things that WMR and Rift S offer to me personally are a significantly reduced price to what the index is shaping up to be
vocal shard
@ivory frost I have to go do some things, if you want to continue this conversation you can dm me so I'll see it when I come back. Also be careful in the toxic mostly teenage world of VRChat. People are crazy.
ruby needle
for me the index questing is gonna be a price one
covert linden
The index wont be a significantly reduced price
ruby needle
im dying for that 135° FOV
i dont care about the rest
i am a immersion and surrounding recognition / reaction kinda guy
ruby burrow
Yeah, there will be a lot of used headsets on the market soon.
covert linden
Wmr and Oculus S are like, Budget options. No lighthouses, inside out, valve, is very fancy with tons of.new things. It being cheap is unlikely
ruby needle
its more then the price
ivory frost
Yeah, I don't generally engage in those behaviors. The awkard scenario I mentioned was innocent on my part, lol.
covert linden
I like immersion as well but as I just bought my oculus on christmas, ill be using that for a long while
ruby needle
You also get a more portable and easier to use solution
some people want that
ther will never be a solid answere
but it makes it easier then RIFT vs VIVE
covert linden
Thats true, I can roomscale without wall mounting and wire extendors atm, with my wmr
ruby burrow
I want the better resolution, and am dying to find out if it includes eye-tracking.
ivory frost
I was using the puking avatar and my friends decided it was a different white substance. So all I did was pull my trigger when asked and they made it into something entirely different, lol.
covert linden
Itd be so cool if It had eye tracking
uncut gorge
vive pro would be good if it cost half as much as it does
covert linden
@uncut gorge its not a consumer headset
uncut gorge
it doesn't matter
ivory frost
Anyway, I need to get to homework. Nice meeting you. I don't seem to have any trouble making friends in the game, so I'm happy to friend anyone who does if it helps them.
ruby burrow
Yeah, they have that patent, and there are some very subtle potential visual clues in photographs. But nothing confirmed.
uncut gorge
the cost of the materials is very minimal
cinder wharf
Vive Pro Eye has eye tracking
lunar shell
Everyone says it's not a consumer hmd but for what you get it's not worth it.
desert stratus
im more interested in the index lenses
covert linden
Except its made for businesses not consumers so the price can be like that
ruby needle
@cinder wharf ...
Ofc a addon thats whole point is eye tracking.... has eye tracking...
desert stratus
people suspect that the res is gonna be the same as vive pro (1440x1660 per eye) but valve's lens patents are really weird
ruby burrow
It's not Rea no, but my point previously is that Vive-Pro easily could have been a consumer headset. Spare the service package aspect, it simply wasn't special enough to warrant the price.
lunar shell
Businesses will be buying the HP hmd now.
desert stratus
and i dont really understand them all too well but it seems like they're going to be the main drivers behind the visual quality rather than just increasing the res
ruby burrow
A realistic price for the V-Pro would have been $650 $700 tops. For the full kit, not just the HMD.
desert stratus
i hope anyway, ^ ^`
covert linden
It could have definately been yes
lunar shell
Agree on that price.
desert stratus
it would also mean that you wouldn't have to beef up your gpu to go 2k per eye
at 90-120hz
ruby burrow
I'd probably own one, had it been that.
covert linden
Im not sure whar all of the business package includes, but if I go to like a store, and test it or whatever, and its eye trackinga works as ive seen in videos, where I can aim like that, people will be very interested, and so thats more money for vive and more money for businessses in a sense
Ima call thosetesting stores vr arenas
vocal shard
Stays silent in the corner
cinder wharf
@ruby needle It's not an add-on it's a whole headset with integrated eye tracking
covert linden
If you donr know the video I mean, it was one where you would look at something and itd aim, like a percision kind of thing. Which is super neat (but complex for people like me who struggle keeping my eyes on one thing)
ruby burrow
I need May the 1st to arrive. Even if I end up not actually buying one for a year, or never even, the endless speculation cycle is rough. xD
covert linden
Yeah thats true, itll be good to be certain
ruby needle
to me that looks like an addon (that also gets sold as a included solution)
covert linden
Wmr 3 lets go
ruby needle
but eh,
covert linden
Jk thatd be such a let down
ruby burrow
Also the three games Valve is working on. I read a comment today saying, "Left 4 Dead 3 will never happen", and I so wanted to point at the index and the old development leaks of L4D3, and just be like, "Wait til may and see..."
But speculating on games from Valve featuring the number 3 is a tired meme in itself.
covert linden
Billy hatcher vr lets go
I guess some games really cant be vr
But
Can any games vr not be desktop?
Nvm.job simulator answers that
covert linden
Ive only played vrchat
ruby burrow
The closest possible to Blade & Sorcery on desktop would be Mount & Blade style combat. A million miles apart.
covert linden
I learned the recently that there are actually people in the world who dont game nor know what discord is..
Probably a slow thing to learn but when youre socially declined and dont speak to anyone, its news xD
covert linden
I met my coworkers appearntly who ive worked with for ages, it just didnt click
ruby burrow
It's a rapidly changing thing, since gaming to some degree is almost ubiquitous among the younger generations, but I'd say the considerable majority over 30 years old have barely ever touched a game.
vocal shard
thinks 🎵 My little VR 🎵
ruby burrow
Ok, have a good whatever time of day it is for you.
vocal shard
Hola de nuevo amigo
ruby needle
Bless you.
stray ferry
So is there any way to do the desktop mode hand pose key combinations wile being in VR
vocal shard
not sure
stray ferry
Well I can't while in VR currently, and I want to do them while in vr without the need of using some getto virtual vive controllers
plush cove
Is the valve index controller going to be inplemented in vrchat (but u can use every finger separately)
stray ferry
like Shift + F#
ruby burrow
@plush cove Unknown at this time. It's more likely to mimic the Oculus controls to start out.
@stray ferry That's just using a gesture.
Eg, Shift + F4 is Point.
ruby needle
you do hand gestures
ruby burrow
Oh. Wait, what kind of VR are you using that doesn't have controllers?
covert linden
@plush cove Itll be gesture based
stray ferry
I am currently using Riftcat
ruby needle
oh...
stray ferry
Im saving up and waiting for the index
ruby burrow
Ahhhh.
native nacelle
oi ( Hi)
stray ferry
But the game disabled keyboard gestures while in VR
ruby burrow
No idea then. That's an incredible obscure way to get VR in this game. ^ ^;
I would have assumed the keyboard would still work, but obviously not then.
ruby needle
you're playing a really hacky and unintendet solution so i dont know if you're out of luck there
plush cove
I mean you move every finger independently from each other
ruby burrow
How do you move? The keyboard still works for that but not the gestures specifically?
Sounds weird.
ruby burrow
I see. '-'
stray ferry
I do have 2 ps move controllers but I dont have 2 ps eye cameras
so i just gave up on working with getto vr and just started saving up for the index
subtle prawn
I knew someone that did the same using the Razer Hydra for motion hands
stray ferry
was going to get a vive but it isnt worth it
ruby burrow
Best plan probably.
plush cove
Will you be able to do things that gestures cannot (pls understand)
covert linden
@plush cove at first itll just be like the oculus controllers
plush cove
@covert linden ?
stray ferry
They would prob add support for fingers in an update
plush cove
Hope they do
ruby burrow
I have met someone who had a hilarious ghetto setup that actually allowed even FBT, where not a single part of his kit was a mainstream VR product.
But can't recommend it.
ruby burrow
A year ago I'd have 100% said to get a Vive, but it's entirely the wrong time to get one.
plush cove
Its ok if i buy one now?
stray ferry
I could have gotten one before but I upgraded my pc instead
so it was actually vr ready
plush cove
I have plans for my pc
stray ferry
and now im close to getting one again but since the index is going to be announced ima just wait
ruby burrow
@plush cove Don't get a Vive or anything else right now.
stray ferry
Im going to preorder the index
ruby burrow
Wait for the Index release news on May 1st
plush cove
@ruby burrow no im gonna get them in summer
ruby burrow
Then make a decision then or ask around again.
plush cove
I was thinking to buy the vive
Instead of the oculus
Cuz they say that oculus needs usb 3.0
And i have 2.0
ruby burrow
Both are likely to be obsolete in one weeks time.
plush cove
Thats why im gettting the vive
ruby burrow
Otherwise I would agree yes, but there's a new competitor coming out.
plush cove
When they are gonna be obsolete they are gonna cut the prices and thats where i will buy it
But i thougth this summer was ok
ruby burrow
The USB requirements of the Oculus has been a nightmare for a lot of people, but they're not even selling the original Rift anymore.
Yeah, in summer will be fine.
ruby burrow
You might be able to get a Vive for much cheaper then. Alternatively the Index might be cheaper than you expect.
plush cove
And there its 400$
Ok so i watched some videos that say "download the software before it arrives (the vive)" and i did that
Is that good?
ruby burrow
You mean Steam-VR? Yeah no harm in that.
plush cove
@ruby burrow and the vive software
ruby burrow
Well if you end up not needing it, you can always delete, so is fine either way.
covert linden
it means you wont have 100% finger freedom
itll be gesture based and your finger will move via gestures
ruby burrow
Yeah, to allow for true free finger movement wouldn't be too hard in itself, but it would require the devs to provide an alternative method to either control the existing gesture system (for expressions and animations), or else you'd be sacrificing that to get more accurate fingers.
Would require a fairly considerable re-work of how the animation system operates, which I don't see being something releasing alongside the Index.
vocal shard
comes back fearfully, sits down, and ||whimpers lonelyly.||
ruby burrow
The devs can surprise us if they like, but nice as it'd be, they've got a lot of other stuff that's probably more pressing to work on.
That too.
hybrid heart
Hello
merry perch
Oculus is better than Vive, IN MY OPINION
covert linden
oculus isnt for sale anymore
covert linden
the rift s is not as good as the rift
ruby burrow
My personal stance is that Oculus isn't worth the extra expense and complexity needed for the hybrid FBT setup.
ruby needle
thats when you trow valves FBT into the equasion tho
reef oak
which is cheaper a vive or a rift?
vocal shard
Sighs and cries silently in the corner
ruby needle
Rift
reef oak
around how much for one?
ruby burrow
If only used for regular VR without FBT or wireless, then Oculus is slightly cheaper, and more comfortable if compared to a Vive without the deluxe strap.
But it's kinda crazy how many of my friends have bought a Vive even after already owning a Rift.
north axle
@reef oak Depends on where you live.
reef oak
ireland
north axle
Probably around $500.
ruby burrow
@reef oak The original Rift isn't on sale any more. Is being replaced with the Rift-S
near sky
Not keen about that replacement either
ruby burrow
If you're interested in getting VR, the almost universal advice right now is to wait til May 1st when the Index releases, and see what people say then.
reef oak
whats the index?
north axle
Some deals may be good but you should know that's at your own risk.
ruby burrow
It's Valves new headset.
reef oak
oh cool
north axle
We don't know the price of Index yet. I think?
ruby burrow
Because even if the Index turns out to be more than you want to spend, it will lower the price on other headsets and put lots of good quality second hand sets on the market.
No, not yet Pan. That info is coming May 1st, along with the full official specs.
reef oak
yeah i get ya
near sky
I could see that price-drop reaction being true; although in time
north axle
It's gonna be either as good as Steam, or as barely popular as Steam Link.
ruby burrow
Yeah, might not be immediate. But the second hand sales will follow it very closely.
neon flume
If it's like the steam link does that mean I can buy an index in 4 years for $10? 😜
ruby burrow
Second hand Rift's have gone up in price due to people not being impressed by the Rift-S, whilst second hand Vive's have gone down in price due to hype over the Index.
near sky
I've seen the Steam link go locally for $25 at a Gamestop; other times even online ~50 for the hardware average
The controller is the costly aspect on-which I agree; closer to the more popular DS4 or XB1 controllers
ruby burrow
Steam Link was sold at crazy low prices not long ago. Though I think that was just Valve clearing stock or something?
north axle
You might buy Index for $200 in 5 years.
neon flume
I think a few of my friends picked them up when they were ~$2.50. I bought one for full price a year earlier but I actually use it a bunch so that's fine with me.
ruby burrow
Well five years is a fair bit of time, but I'd be surprised if it dropped that much.
unique mauve
I bought my steam link for $2.50
ruby burrow
Why would you expect the Index to sell for a price like that so soon? '-'
unique mauve
Oh sorry, I got it for $5
near sky
A lot of my mates have picked it up ~$25, just not the Steam controller
north axle
Look at Oculus Rift DK2 and see if anyone still wants it.
unique mauve
ruby burrow
It's a very very different product to the Steam Link, and unless you're expecting VR to either die in 5 years, or advance at an insane rate, that seems a steep drop.
near sky
DK2 was an obvious dev product not marketed direct to consumers; enthusiasts were the only consumers on that -although they in themselves make up much of the VR space right now
I might be missing the point you're making though; it's a case for evolution of product and standards
ruby burrow
So you're just optimistic for newer superior hardware then. Fair enough I guess.
neon flume
Oh I'm definitely just joking around, I think something would have to go very wrong for the Index to sell at 1/20th the original price four years down the road.
ruby burrow
Though it'd require something fairly significant to render it that obsolete so soon.
But hey, Valve does have that patent for VR related neural link development, or whatever that was.
Screens and lenses alone won't be enough to push value depreciation on that level, and there's fair reason to believe the Index will already include eye tracking.
Would make it relatively future proof, if it turns out to be correct.
neon flume
I do hope that the eye tracking rumors are correct if only because they might allow my underpowered computer to actually handle the rumored higher resolution of the headset (assuming developers add support for foveated rendering).
ruby burrow
@neon flume Oh, I was actually replying to Pan Diman's estimate of $200.
Yeah. I really want to see that foveated rendering revolution happen, and bring VR to both to being accessible for mainstream computers, and also achieve traditional AAA graphics for those with gaming PCs.
I was kind of surprised that Oculus skipped it, but I guess they wanted to keep things cheap and push an aggressive deadline for expanding the market in general for now.
Just considering they have had prototypes that included eye tracking.
vocal shard
Doesn’t anyone else ever feel like the mass majority of people don’t realize you don’t need a vr headset to play this game
ruby burrow
Is perhaps the only thing that might make the Vive Cosmos competitive, if it prices affordably, is a budget option for eye tracking.
reef oak
im getting really angry at this game
ruby burrow
@vocal shard A surprising amount don't realise no, and quite a lot don't know it's free either, even after watching videos and streams for months. ^ ^;
vocal shard
People man
untold light
HEEEEEEEEE
tawny sable
reef oak
lol that aint good
rain merlin
is there a way to move my output files from VR chat to my D drive? They're currently in my C drive, and this leads to me having to clear the files every 2 days or so. I'd like to put it on my D drive where there's more space, so if anyone knows a way, I'd be more than happy to hear it!
cobalt geode
umm
so there is a "fuck" in SDK, what's that suppose to be? Did something edit my SDK somehow?
proper wharf
Was there ever a changelog for 2019.2.1p3?
proper wharf
That's what broke my playlists I think. They can be edited (adding and removing favorite worlds) for like the first minute I log into VRChat but after that the only way to add or remove worlds is to restart the game.
sage zenith
Is there a way to make a complaint 🤔
vocal shard
i am going to wait till vrchat servers cool down i keep getting disconnected from vrc
sage zenith
I've been having that issue ever since that whole cloud fire thing
vocal shard
my computer is no longer running vrchat; sad...
vocal shard
;-;
vocal shard
ah but stopping to think, the game itself is very heavy and well detailed, it should be a bit difficult to get something so fast ..
sage zenith
It's been more than a week with pointless updates
Not only that but steam has even sent a threat saying if they don't fix it they're gonna remove the game off of steam
vocal shard
My God, I didn't know that;-;
sage zenith
Yeah
vocal shard
if the steam takes the game off the platform, this will cause a huge problem
sage zenith
It already is a huge problem
modern sand
That is completely untrue
sage zenith
I was following what someone told me
steep turret
of course you were
steep turret
it was just a stupid comment to make is all
sage zenith
Ok but you're being a jerk about it when this is what I was told
steep turret
I wouldn't say I'm being a jerk. more like I'm being honest with you.
don't listen to someone unless they have proof, lol
sage zenith
But you really aren't my guy lol
steep turret
I'm not being honest? didn't know you could read minds my guy.
sage zenith
My dude you honest to God are gonna start drama in a public chat lol you got an issue and wanna be "honest" with me, take it to dm
covert linden
Yeah Rin can we not fear monge please..
calm pewter
Anyone having problems with the video players not working
steep turret
ah I wouldn't know. sorry
calm pewter
I can’t get any of them too work why I’m asking if anyone else is having problems but thank you ☺️
steep turret
hmmmm. might be a client issue, idk. have you tried logging in and out of the game?
calm pewter
I just got in game but I’ll try it and see
calm pewter
I do have it
covert linden
Okay just making sure
calm pewter
It’s okie but yeah it’s like none want to work I’ve been to different worlds that have them that I’m work but Ig they are just broken right now or something
covert linden
You could try the fixes in #vrchat-support
If that doesnt work contact support@vrchat.com as im really unaware of those kinda fixes
vocal shard
lays down, looking a little fearful, and a little bummed out.
calm pewter
Ill probably just wait a little later and see if they fix
regal quartz
are video players broken?
modern sand
We're working on it
viral pumice
Hey there Ruuubick 🤗 Just wanted to say thanks for what you do 😁 though we don’t always see it, I know you guys are doing lots of work behind the scenes. Just showing some love ❤️
modern sand
Thank you
viral pumice
Your welcome! 
tidal onyx
qts
upper fox
lol, that 5k poly challenge
past cape
?
upper fox
avatar creation for quest vrchat
past cape
ah
pearl wave
rigid crescent
then i guess that means you can say whatever you want without fear of repurcussion, youve beaten the rules!
gloomy remnant
verbal onyx
Is anyone else having an issue where the audio when people talk comes from a "ring " around people instead of center on their head?
torn pelican
Dumb question: is there a way to rejoin a specific instance of a world if you know the number?
torn nebula
use this to generate a join link, then launch that link to join the instance
leave instance owner blank for public instances
cosmic sail
ummmm is there a way to show the discord chat in vrchat other than going in the menu ( with vr of curse ) n_n ?
torn pelican
I wish I knew. Also, hi Oban.
cosmic sail
hey strix
somber silo
@torn pelican Ayyyyeee
torn pelican
I forgot what the instance number was!
somber silo
oh man.. we all got off :/ i know it started with a 7... and had a 6 in it and a 9 LOL
torn pelican
I tried 76679 but ended up in an empty place.
gleaming tulip
anyone know why when I click on the worlds tab the avatar line only loads 20 choices and goes no further....all the other categories load more
torn pelican
Hey Foon.
slate verge
hiiii amphy sorry i haven't been on, was kinda learning how to upload content
torn pelican
No problem. ^^
slate verge
@torn pelican i'm going to import my usum character soon
slate verge
yeah!~ that way it actually feels like me
mellow moss
Is there a reason why it should say, "Hi, I'm announcement (random spewage here)" when I try to log in?
queen mango
Placeholder banner. It shows up due to incorrect loading of the screen, possibly due to low connection speeds or unstable connection
Usually any of the two possibilities
mellow moss
I'm wondering if the server I'd connect to is on the same network as the website. Gonna try a traceroute.
Guess not, CloudFlare.
I did a whois lookup on the IPv4 IP for the website (not sure whether VRChat uses IPv4, IPv6, or both (maybe not simultaneously).
My biggest worry was whether the side had been compromised or somesuch. I could try logging in and finding out where the socket VRChat uses goes.
queen mango
Last time it happened not too long ago, it was on the client side of things.
Websockets, I meant, if you read the announcements back in March 23.
mellow moss
Yeah, it's slower than molasses in January on the website. Sysinternals' Process Explorer shows it's trying to connect to CloudFlare IP space on both IPv4 and IPv6. The web side of things is awfully slow going for sure.
mellow moss
I'm seeing a SYN attempt on an IPv6 address.
Eh, gonna give up for now.
Hmmm, did an IPv6 test on my side. There appear to be some problems. That might be part of it.
I have an idea of what to try without taking my entire connection down (or if it does, only very briefly).
Okay, trying the IPv6 test again.
Yep, getting IPv6 to work seems to be the key.
(Well, at least on my side, anyway.)
I run pfSense between my cable modem (configured as an ethernet bridge) and my inside network. I did a restart of pfSense's final start sequence rather than a full reboot and it came up fine. Connected up with VRChat just fine.
vague halo
Someone in Open mic night is spamming portals on people they may be hacking
brittle ridge
Does anybody know why the youtube tv isnt working? nobody can see it and we downloaded the visual studio
and yes restarted
umbral reef
Use #moderation-reports
Provide thing like the outputlog, name, time and an explanation (also video proof if your able to)
mellow moss
How dependent is VRChat on IPv6? If considerably so (and it is based on what ProcExp was telling me), users might want to try something like www.test-ipv6.com to make sure it's working as it should.
queen mango
Gonna try it out after I get back home from high school
umbral reef
From what I been told by non tech users. So take my comment with loads of salt. The game uses it for some systems but can run without it.
So disabling it should also fix 'the problems'
Haven't tested it myself yet tho so
mellow moss
That's just the thing: NOT having IPv6 working was causing problems. The moment I did that restart (which didn't involve rebooting the FreeBSD kernel the entire system runs on), it worked just fine. IPv4 stuff worked, however, just very, very slowly, so it could also be pf on the system as well.
(Or at least, that's what it seemed to be here. I'd rather have working IPv6 support, though v6 support might have been more an indication of a problem rather than its cause.)
My mom couldn't run June's Journey on her phone via wifi, and what I did fixed that, so I'll have to go deep diving into pfSense to see what's happening.
vocal shard
Hii so I kinda have some vr headset related questions on my mind, I was thinking of getting the Oculus quest since my computer has issues with the regular rift, where the screen is black because of a lack of power apparently, but I'm curious if vrchat would even work properly if I got it. I read the blog posts about the limitations so now I'm hesitant on what headset to actually get, since I use mmd models mostly. I have a gaming laptop that's not vr ready but I heard it could work just fine if I bought extra accessories for it 🤔 I also want to play other games than vrchat but it would still be something I would want to try obviously. I also don't want to buy the vive cus it's too much of an investment for me, even if I have the money. This is a long post lmao sorry 😄
elfin cloak
favorite list is not working
and friends list is wary slow in updating new information
vocal shard
yeah fave list has been broken for ages
elfin cloak
so what's an use of it if not work
why not remove that thing
if dev's are not able to fix it
strange
😦
vocal shard
ppl favorited a lot of avatars that they like, removing the feature would prolly just piss off a bunch of people ¯_(ツ)_/¯
subtle prawn
@vocal shard There was a discussion about it earlier , if you like you can click the post link and it'll send you to the start of it if you want to read it. https://discordapp.com/channels/189511567539306508/337243225649840128/570367925626601502
vocal shard
Thank you!
Ok yeah thanks for that I kinda understand more about whats going on with the oculus quest, I guess I'll just have to be patient, sit back and wait for the reviews to come in before I rush into buying vr, though I've been waiting for what feels like a year it's an important choice to make 😂
elfin cloak
i'm aware of ongoing issue about favoring friends,avatars and worlds
but the fact is when something not working correctly
it's kinda frustrating and in that moment
it force effected person to thing
if you can't repair just remove it
but as you say that that decision will make the things even worse
it's sad but hm...
maybe just maybe the dev's will fix that somehow
north axle
Just so you know, they're extremely slow at passing information, so I wouldn't expect any stable solutions until September.
elfin cloak
thanks
that's what i want to hear
a concrete answer
now i now that i shodn't relay on any solution about this problem in near future
thanks again
scarlet sleet
https://vrchat.canny.io/feature-requests/p/recent-players-list This is a link to the VRChat Canny where i just posted a feature request. If anyone on here thinks its a good idea please upvote. Thanks 😃
slate verge
hello
subtle prawn
👋
slate verge
hiya
solemn relic
what i say?
solemn relic
well i could but asking actual avatar builds would be better
vocal shard
lol
queen mango
Oof. Late reply
solemn relic
ahh i see its a bad word here
queen mango
Yeah
vocal shard
what is
solemn relic
that website
vocal shard
?
solemn relic
i know what game your playing im not typing it
queen mango
"The name cannot be mentioned here since it is full of malicious stuff there"
solemn relic
cheers bud
solemn relic
ok will try those
vocal shard
and theres also a list in the wiki
pastel crane
Suup
raw wren
Something along the lines of "hello this is a comment from JDSGJDSJDJSJDH" appeared on those boxes in the loading screen, with the random letters filling the rest of the entire box. Right as I got into the game. Should I be worried?
neat wyvern
I once got a similar message on the loading screen
But it was referring to an announcement instead
Probably a placeholder
"Hello, I am announcement JDSGDGSJDSJJH"
Or something like that
raw wren
It probably said the same thing, I didn't have enough time to read it since it disappeared so quickly
Thank you!
covert linden
Its jusr a placeholder when it wont load : P
raw wren
thank you for the information! Now I know not to worry about it
covert linden
Haha of course. I was freaked out when I read it too
neat wyvern
I had the feeling it was a placeholder
true sky
Its probably something they didnt expect anyone to see unless announcements didnt load
Its harmless 😉
neat wyvern
Yeah
stoic halo
Is video players not working for anyone else? No world video player is working for me or my friends
vocal shard
Mine’s workin’ jus’ fine, thank ya kindly.
little oriole
hello
vocal shard
As Kirby Hiiiii!
vocal shard
day 4 and vrchat is still on 0.00 / 0.00B whenever I load in... no clue how to fix... ive reinstalled, cleared cache.... no idea
velvet quarry
Have you contacted support?
vocal shard
Yes but they've barely gotten back to me
desert oasis
questas
vocal shard
?
desert oasis
sorry its a different language
vocal shard
oh
desert oasis
meaning question
stuck briar
no, no questas
vocal shard
what
stuck briar
wot
desert oasis
that shits weird
covert linden
desert oasis
hi
queen mango
#general-media please
stuck briar
why
vocal shard
@queen mango u there
covert linden
It's because this chat is meant for vrchat topics ONLY. Read the channel description...
stuck briar
o
vocal shard
yep 😦
languid beacon
I have no idea how I got out I just made a new vrchat account and it worked perfectly then going back to my main it was also fixed
desert oasis
its ok
vocal shard
vrchat is like all I play too... so it'd be a huge loss if I cant play it anymore
languid beacon
This is concerning because if you are in this state and actually on this discord complaining about it, how many people are locked out and just leaving vrc
vocal shard
though, I've had my computer running for a straight week
so that might be a big problem, just restarted it now so
nd cleared my PC of any junk files... 52gb's i found
burnt gull
I got this weird encounter at the Hub,When im in a mid of convo,Theres this 'Thing' Starts spawning Thoose Coloured Trail Balls,It Keeps spawning as it moves fordward
Any idea what it is?
languid beacon
So you did log in with a new account and it had the same problem?
vocal shard
Not really no...
languid beacon
As well as that flush dns thing that guy recommended a few days ago as well as switching to googles 8 8 8 8 dns
Just listing off everything I did no idea which thing worked
One of them did
vocal shard
Idk if i trust that method
languid beacon
It’s 100% safe it’s a normal ipconfig command
vocal shard
ugh i hate it when i get kicked from vrchat
I'll try that one last, see if it works
Well, nvm! It works now
velvet quarry
What did you do to fix it?
languid beacon
He just restarted his pc. That didn’t get me out but hey
vocal shard
Yep ^ lol