vrchat-general-2

[languid beacon]

Follow the steps in #moderation-reports, there's not much else you can do, though.

[vocal shard]

u know its polite to say that stuff about people

its not

[sly nexus]

Clients are made by modifying/creating code that affects the game... thats known as a form of "hacking" or so to speak

[vocal shard]

well true

[languid beacon]

Hacking is typically illegitimate modification, so the term is technically accurate, however, in this case, people typically call them modified clients rather than hacked clients, basically because that's what it is, and hack is a somewhat confusing/meaningless word these days. Too much of a buzz/shock word.

[sly nexus]

^^

[vocal shard]

i was thinking hacking as in like getting into someones account and taking it over

[tacit plank]

Hacking is accessing something that you shouldn't. The clients are probably capable of that. Otherwise it's just a form of modding or maybe cracking (changing to get around restrictions)
Either way they can't seem to use those tools without being total dicks to other players, so they should be banned

[sly nexus]

That goes along the line of illegitimate modification Rad... hence why "hacking" is a bad term (being a blurry meaning/umbrella term for a host of modifications), but accurate

[languid beacon]

Yeah hack has a ton of accurate definitions that are all very different.

[vocal shard]

right

[tacit plank]

Where are people finding animations for VRChat? I downloaded a few, but they're .vmd. I know about that one plugin we're not allowed to discuss, but is there other ways?

[languid beacon]

During the day, the code I write is programmed. At night, the code I write is hacked. In this case, the only difference is quality.

[vocal shard]

u should be able to use any animation

[tacit plank]

a .vmd file will work?

[vocal shard]

um not sure

if it will let u upload it will

[umbral reef]

@languid beacon Same that all my projects are just botched :^)

[vocal shard]

lol

[sly nexus]

As far as I know, only animations using the Unity animator are reliable, but Im still learning. I've tried adding prefabs with a VMD animation that would enable, but it did not work

[languid beacon]

This server is more for technical help. There are RP servers listed in #community-servers-old though

[sly nexus]

Aika, would cuddle, but "no hands ma!"

[velvet quarry]

Some people who regular the #animation channel might be able to help.

[umbral reef]

Only wholesome actions in this discord
So no hugging or handholding yea

[winged thistle]

so, can someone ELI5 what all factors are responsible for the extremely high CPU usage in vrchat? what stuff is all run on the CPU in Unity?

[velvet quarry]

Dynamic bones, draw call calculations, IK calculations, a couple of other things I would imagine.

[queen mango]

Are material counts regarded as well?

[winged thistle]

mhm, and why is it so hard to spread that load over multpile CPU cores if available? wouldn't there be some way to optmize this, or is this a restriction on Unitys side?

like, I know multithreading is a PITA, but still

[velvet quarry]

Bit of A, bit of B I believe. I'm not entirely familiar with the exacts, but I do believe later iterations of Unity may have some optimizations that would benefit VRChat immensely in this regard.

[winged thistle]

the job system or what it was called?

[umbral reef]

Loads of these systems dont work well at all split because they are live calculations

And job system is a 2018 thing- And as there is no LTS version of that yet. VRC doesnt use it.

[winged thistle]

yeah I get that, but what makes vrchat so special in that regard? there are games that have a lot more stuff going on and being calculated and it runs just fine even on 1440p or even 4k

is it like the same situation as with (modded) Minecraft for instance? at the core a super simple game, but because it's using an unoptimized platform (Java) it's peforming subpar

[sly nexus]

subpar? Minecraft? You get fps like candy on that game compared to any other modern 3D game I can imagine

[still lark]

Modded Minecraft though.

[winged thistle]

^

[sly nexus]

I mean, if I get 200FPS at base max settings, I get around 60 with shaders, if thats what youre referring to

[winged thistle]

vanilla minecraft runs fine, I know, but as soon as you add some mods

not even talking shaders, if you have like 50+ mods installed you'll be hard pressed to get a constant 60+fps

let alone 200 mods

like most bigger modpacks have

[sly nexus]

without shaders, even on mod packs, Im hard pressed to have a dropped frame rate. Dear god why would you play with that many?

Feed The Beast never went NEAR that number

Like, how are you even supposed to make use of all of them?

[winged thistle]

project ozone for instance

[vocal shard]

u get 200fps!! wow

[still lark]

There are some modpacks that have over 200 mods

[sly nexus]

Its not actually 200FPS

[vocal shard]

ok

well still oner 40 is amazing

[sly nexus]

Only 60 because of a 59.9Hz refresh rate

[vocal shard]

over^

lol then whyd u say 200? lol

[still lark]

But you don't see over 30fps

[sly nexus]

That varies^

and I said 200 because thats how much the GPU is processing, not what the monitor is displaying

you can see past 60 at elevated levels, but most people see about 45 at rest

[tacit plank]

Modded Minecraft runs well as long as you don't use too many badly made mods

[vocal shard]

how do u see what the GPU is processing?

[sly nexus]

A lot of the poor optimization is likely the mod creators' faults, let alone that I still dont see how 200 mods is necessary

[vocal shard]

right

5 should be enough

[tacit plank]

Speaking of badly made things, fuck Unity

[sly nexus]

Seconded

[tacit plank]

The fun starts at 200 mods. Sadly, Minecraft modders are like 14 on average, and every second mod has a dupe bug or a way to corrupt the map

[sly nexus]

Unity sukking almonds is the reason SDGNelson is using Unreal now

[tacit plank]

I'm trying to modify an animation, but it just freezes

[vocal shard]

hmm

are u sure its freezing and its not just the end of the animation?

[sly nexus]

...

Unity likes to freeze a lot, and for me the current SDK is constantly logging in and out, reloading all of my menus and making lots of features impossible (literally) to use. I cannot edit animations right now unless I try doing it without the SDK package

Unity's animator in particular likes to put your CPU under stupid and unnecessary stress, resulting in unrealistic load times when copying and pasting even minimal amounts of keyframes

[tacit plank]

I fixed it now. Deleted a single key from the animation and it only froze for 1 minute

I had to duplicate the animation file rather than the keys in them

[vocal shard]

nice

[stoic halo]

when you stream drunk, blackout and get raided while you were out.

[ruby needle]

Dont stream drunk @stoic halo

[vocal shard]

lol

i can imagine someone trying to stream while drunk. "how do i turn this stupid thing on"

lol well duh

[ruby needle]

Is streaming drunk even ok with Twitch's TOS @vocal shard

[vocal shard]

idk

[umbral reef]

You can drink and steam
Just not set up goals for drinking

Cant do like a shot per sub or stuff.

[stoic halo]

who knows but 46 people spamming the chat to notice them was a fruitless attempt while i was dead lmao

[vocal shard]

huh?

no

[pale pawn]

My VRchat programme is confused, it’s trying to be both desktop mode and VR mode at the same time, leading to eternal running in what ever direction i look and great difficulty in selecting opens

[velvet quarry]

Do you have a controller plugged in by chance? Joystick?`

[pale pawn]

Nope, i tried with no keyboard or mouse just headset and 2 controllers

[vocal shard]

hm

[pale pawn]

It happens in VR mode and in desktop mode i just spin on the spot, its very confusing

[vocal shard]

are u using a mouse or mousepad?

[pale pawn]

Isn’t a mousepad just a flat surface you use a mouse on?

[nimble linden]

They meant a touchpad

[pale pawn]

Oh , nope i use a Bluetooth mouse, witch i switched off for a test

[vocal shard]

ok

hmm

have u tried restarting ur pc

[pale pawn]

Yes, it did not correct it

[vocal shard]

ok

and it happens when ur mouse is off right?

[pale pawn]

Its ok if there is no answer, just thought id ask incase others had experienced similar issue

[velvet quarry]

If you're unable to find a solution, I recommend you contact the support team at #vrchat-support

[pale pawn]

Yes it happens even without keyboard or mouse

[vocal shard]

hmm that is strange

have u tried uninstalling and reinstalling?

[nimble linden]

Does it happen in desktop mode when you have your VR controllers turned off?

[pale pawn]

When i enter login screen in vr mode i get both the hand trackers and the mouse reticle appearing

[vocal shard]

ok

[pale pawn]

I havent tried that combination

[vocal shard]

that sounds like a connection issue

[pale pawn]

Its like vrchat cant decide which mode to be in so does both

[vocal shard]

now did u just turn ur mouse off or did u unplug the little thing u plug into ur pc too?

[nimble linden]

Yeah, it's definitely registering some kind of external control system like a gamepad. Since there aren't any external controllers plugged in, it might be some software causing it

Or a driver

[pale pawn]

So in vr mode i run forward for ever as if its expecting a mouse imput

[vocal shard]

ahh

ya thats definitely a connection issue then

[pale pawn]

And in desktop mode it spins as if looking for input from a headset

[nimble linden]

Do you have a tablet plugged in?

[pale pawn]

No tablet plugged in

[vocal shard]

did u try unplugging the usb thing

[nimble linden]

Bluetooth mice don't have those

Unless you didn't have Bluetooth built in to your computer and had to buy a dongle

[vocal shard]

so then how does it connect to ur pc

[nimble linden]

Modern PC's usually have Bluetooth built in

[pale pawn]

Yes

[vocal shard]

oh nvm

im thinking of a wireless mouse

i wonder if there is something interfering with the connection between the mouse and pc

[pale pawn]

Ok thanks for the advice, i will go and try a few more things

[nimble linden]

Ok. Sorry I couldn't be more help.

[vocal shard]

same

hey loki i found something for u to try

[lapis nebula]

are the servers being ddos'd again ?

[final vale]

@lapis nebula i think so

i suddenly got teleported into a random world, wich was stuck at 100% in the loading screen

i closed vrchat, relanched it and now i'm stuck at the first loading

[lapis nebula]

seems like it, just got thrown out of a world and I keep randomly fading to black, something is deffo broken

[deep tulip]

Hello

[slate verge]

hello

[vocal shard]

hello

[fringe juniper]

hello

[vocal shard]

have u guys tried playing from the site

vrchat.com

Worlds are still not loading in sigh

Really REALLY hope whatever this is gets fixed 😦 😦

[primal oak]

Does anyone know the name of the song that plays on one of the gestures on G1fan's Viscera Cleanup Detail avatar avaiable in Avatars in the Night?

The song's a banger but it's at the tip of my tongue.

[noble hemlock]

don't forget it's easter but dead chat Happy Easter Lunala (Again)

[tacit plank]

Why do my private worlds get a visit or two?

They're not meant to be visited

[uncut crag]

hi

i have a question, whats a budget vr kit that gives you the experience you see on streams and videos

[umbral reef]

Windows mixed reality.

That's the type of headset your looking for

[vocal shard]

Windows mixed reality, yeah. You still need a pc powerful enough to run it though

[uncut crag]

is there like some sort of software to judge your specs?

[covert linden]

Yes, its on the windows/microsoft store
Theres a windows mixed reality test

[uncut crag]

link?

[covert linden]

Its on the windows store.

[uncut crag]

hm

[umbral reef]

Also for steamvr is there a test. Doing both should make it clear
Or throw your specs in here and we can do the same really :p

[covert linden]

i3 3rd gen 2gb ram, but an rtx titan

[chrome drum]

Does anyone know if VRChat is ok now to connect to, or is it still having problems?

[covert linden]

All good

[uncut crag]

well regular vrchat is butter smooth outside of some peoples avatars (ugh)

so idk

[covert linden]

It can run perfect in desktop but not vr, since thats rendering the game twice

[uncut crag]

yeah

i plan to make pbr mung daal avatar and experience glory in vr

[lavish epoch]

Hi

Good

Morning

[polar jasper]

good morning

[stray surge]

Login loop can't play the game

[vocal shard]

Good morning.

[buoyant geode]

Anyone know where i can get some avatars with some good emotes? Or affects in general

[torn pelican]

@buoyant geode Describe "good". You mean ones that fill the entire map with particles or innocent memes? :P

[buoyant geode]

@torn pelican fill the entire map or just with alot of (stuff)

[torn pelican]

Yeeeah... no one'll like you if you do that.

[vocal shard]

Traps are cute.....gosh darnit

[buoyant geode]

Well i dont mean like something annoying more like a light show or somthing entertaining

[vocal shard]

anybody know how to join these events?

Become a part of the cool club. >D

I'm not in it so ignore me. I'm just wandering

same lol

[coarse obsidian]

Whaddup

[vocal shard]

nm u

[thorny mason]

z@stray surge are you still looping? dm if and ill try to help

[vocal shard]

Hopefully this with cloudflare will be fixed soon can’t play vrchat for over 2 weeks now😭

i have a problem i joined vrchat events server but its not loading

[umbral reef]

Restart ya discord

[vocal shard]

did

and still nothing

all other servers are fine

[umbral reef]

No idea then 🤷

[vocal shard]

k

@ruby needle can u maybe help me

[slender cargo]

in the events channel how do i join that event?

[umbral reef]

The information should be provided there or else ask there... The events are community run so it varries

[ruby needle]

No i dont @vocal shard

[vocal shard]

oh thx

sonic u have to click the pinned messages and join that server

[sullen kraken]

Oi?

[slender cargo]

ok ty

[vocal shard]

np

let me know if it loads for u cuz its not for me

[slender cargo]

its loaded but nobody is there. maybe they moved rooms? idk

@vocal shard

[vocal shard]

hmm

weird

oh ok i found it

go to community meetup at the bottom

[vocal shard]

what does "heat" mean at the world managment interaface?

[blissful jackal]

hi

[vast tulip]

@vocal shard from what I can tell, heat means the current popularity, not overall

[vocal shard]

ahh

thx ❤

[boreal timber]

hey I have a request or someone could show me how it's done in this vr if u have some time i'm new and what only i can change avatars 😅 😅
I not good in eng but i can communicate 😅 🙂

[rough flax]

There's is a person in here spamming dm's to a 18+ server, who can I talk to in here?

[languid beacon]

I could never quite figure out what the “seven” category did

[grave jungle]

I require discord link spam dm

[median basalt]

Yeah there's a lot of spam going on

From several different people it seems

[covert linden]

Im suprised I havent got it

[ruby needle]

every message is from a different person

these bots / account gens are insane

if you got a message send us a DM with a screenshot

currentls Elire, Afromana and me are on it

[vocal shard]

Bot accounts

People still do that kind of stuff

[queen mango]

Yes. No ulterior motive.

[tired kettle]

I sure hope the server issues are resolved shortly! I feel bad for all the people nagging the dev team. In the meantime, time to work on my first custom avatar >w<

[dim cliff]

@daring seal why you dm me out of all the people on this server

[queen mango]

Was it a bot, @dim cliff

[dim cliff]

maybe

i think so

ill dm you the invite they sent me

[ruby needle]

dont dm the invite

dm a screenshot of them messaging you

[mellow parcel]

How many tracking points can you have in vrchat for body tracking

[ruby needle]

not sure if more then 3

[elfin cloak]

good night everyone
best wishes
💙

[rough flax]

When vrchat mo cap?

[torn nebula]

@mellow parcel you need one hip tracker, and optionally two foot trackers. No other configurations are supported

@rough flax there are some kinect-based fullbody systems. They don't work nearly as well as using vive trackers though

[rustic galleon]

i need help, im uploading my avatar and it says its in my uploaded content and I restart vrchat and then check my avatars and my avatar is not there

[ruby needle]

do you use the right unity version?

2017.4.15f1

[heavy bridge]

@rustic galleon Check your internet connection... Maybe?

[true sky]

@rustic galleon that means you are using the wrong unity version to upload an avatar and it wont show up if its not made in 2017.4.15f1

[ebon hinge]

Hey does anyone find this guy who is getting mad at certain people for using female avatars

[true sky]

nop

[queen mango]

If you can remember the name, find it in the output log

!outputlog

[floral flax]

You can find your output log at C:\Users\%Username%\AppData\LocalLow\VRChat\vrchat named output_log.txt

[queen mango]

Why does he hate female avatars, by the way?

[ebon hinge]

No he doesn’t like guys using female avatars

[queen mango]

Ohh. His loss then

[ebon hinge]

I don’t remember the name though cause I blocked him but people say he is there often

[queen mango]

oof.

[rustic galleon]

I have the correct version

[ebon hinge]

Huh?

Oh

[rustic galleon]

and my connection is fine

[covert linden]

@rustic galleon is it the right sdk? The most updated

Its always either the wrrong unity or wrong sdk, can you show us a screenshot of your unity ?

[rustic galleon]

i have a pic

where would i put the picture

[covert linden]

Send it with either imgur or copy the url and send it

[rustic galleon]

?

ok

[covert linden]

Just dm it to me

Or the first two options

Hehe problem solved was the wrong unity

[ebon hinge]

How does trusted and known user work?

[ruby needle]

like other ranks

you get them by score the more you play 😃

[ebon hinge]

Oh ok

How do I get back to a specific avatar

I favorite but I can’t find the favorites

[lunar shell]

Who madw the avatar? Maybe do a search.

[ebon hinge]

Ok

By the way I got a slender up if anyone wants to join

[rough flax]

Imagine in a virtual world where you can be ANYTHING... And you decide be your own boring virgin fat self instead of some cute anime girl.

Or some edgy crash avatar.

[ebon hinge]

Only got two people

[vocal shard]

I m missing my friends on vrchat sooo bad

[plucky carbon]

hi

[small hound]

does anyone know if you can play VRChat with the oculus quest cross platform??

[past vapor]

I lost so many vrchat friends that i forgot how to be-friend people in the game again lowkey

Imma just make weird refrences and hope it works

[turbid magnet]

strange flex

but ok 😉

[urban jasper]

There's probably worse ways to do it

[dull cedar]

AshleyMarieL coming into lobbies impersonating a moderator

[queen mango]

In here?

[dull cedar]

In vr

[queen mango]

Impersonation. Better report it via mail. [e-mail] for that matter

Also, try not to reveal his/her name here cause it's likely she'll have a Discord Account and see this

[dull cedar]

I apologize

[vocal shard]

Something is wrong. I can't log in to VRC. Stuck on login screen

[valid sandal]

Vrc for once needs to seriously fix there game

Consistant loading issues trying to get into worlds

[glass linden]

Do I need to friend people to gain trust? I'm interested in spending lots of time in the game but I don't really wanna add a bunch of random people as friends just to get to where I'm allowed to mod

[covert linden]

To mod?

[glass linden]

To make mods, like worlds and avatars

[velvet quarry]

If you mean being able to upload, I don't think adding friends is required, from what I understand your rank is influenced by many factors, one of which is friend requests'n such, but you should be able to rank up through any other interactions, hanging out etc.

[glass linden]

Cool, thanks

[velvet quarry]

The way the system truly works is kept secret even from me, but from what I've seen of it I believe that's how it works.

[glass linden]

Makes sense

[languid beacon]

I'm compiling a world playlist. Theme is fun worlds with stuff to do, BUT they contain absolutely no mirrors. Not even hidden ones. If you have suggestions, let me know :p

[gloomy bramble]

@languid beacon I know of a game world called Ball Defence Battle ( https://vrchat.com/home/world/wrld_645a7e42-dc00-4534-9e4e-d77ac024a3a1 ). In this game world players organize themselves into two teams. The objective of each team is to drain the hp of the other team's Unity Chan by throwing balls at her. The games ends when either teams' Unity Chan runs out of hp.

[vocal shard]

Rooms still arent loading....

Tried everything at this point

[modern sand]

@vocal shard #community-servers-old Look up VRC Traders

[digital marten]

Is there any way to copy and paste urls into worlds by using a HTC Vive? I want to show a video to my friends but I don't know how to

[velvet quarry]

I believe you'd have to go to your computer and copy paste it in, which should work

[digital marten]

I've tried to copy and paste in desktop mode to make things easier but it doesn't seem to work when I paste the URL; nothing comes up

[green bane]

anyone else having issues logging in

[glass linden]

So I've connected to a couple different worlds and found that I just can't move at all. Is there a trick to these servers. The world I'm trying to explore is "Ready Player One - Copper key race" (I'm on desktop)

[drifting steppe]

huh, I wonder

[elfin cloak]

i'm still here
but i'm fading
well...
maybe it's better that way
nevermind
😭

[median basalt]

@glass linden is this a labs world? Some worlds are poorly tested and literally don't allow you to move

Usually this is when the spawn point is below the respawn height

[lofty tundra]

there we go again, vrchat blackscreens and logouts

[vocal shard]

same for me, random d/c and then 5min retrying to log back in

[odd blaze]

Yeeh dont bother its gonna do that for abit, happend earlier too, its will just say 'VRCFlowManagerVRC preparation has taken xxxx seconds 0% fail retry a bunch

Lasted around 3 hours last time

[coarse geyser]

well atleast i can login and switch worlds

[glass linden]

@median basalt I think it's a normal world, but that explanation does make sense

[fading flower]

ok so vrchat dont load in oculus but it does in steam vr but in steam vr my mic is busted?

oh it loaded now nvm

just vrchat bein vrchat

[vivid oar]

yeah. lately just about anything social seems to be broken for me

adding friends, favoriting avatars or worlds never works. sometimes it will be fine if I exit and log in again, but usually it either fills up the list with duplicates or just doesn't do anything

[fading flower]

its vrchat buddy

kinda hard to work with

but thet=y try their best

[vivid oar]

yeah. I'd still rather use VRchat over sansar or hi-if or neos or etc.

only Janus seems to come close to matching the freedom we have in VRchat, but nobody uses it and it's too crashy

I've been thinking lately, would an Unreal Engine competitor to VRchat be viable? everything in UE is always so baked and structed, but then again Unity stuff is usually like that too and it still works fine for us

[umbral reef]

Not really- Unity is user friendly when it comes to uploading stuf

Unreal engine is far from that

[vivid oar]

yeah I could see it becoming a case of "sure you have the freedom, but do you have the patience?", leading to no one using it

[umbral reef]

Also unity is a fair bit more fleshed out for VR to my knowledge.
So you would have some odd hurdles to overcome with UE anyway.

[vivid oar]

I'd like for there to be more competition

[umbral reef]

There is plenty competition with loads more money
They all just dont understand why Vrchat is so popular compared to others.
And why people refuse to move over really.

[vivid oar]

I always loved Janus but, those poor chumps can't seem to get it off the ground

The investors and the devs they pick up all want monetization

which i get, money reigns king

[umbral reef]

Tbh- These things really should do the 'silicon valley' money style.
Get heaps of money, get a big userbase and learn how to make money later.

[vivid oar]

but we all want to be knuckles and miku and shit, which doesn't work when money and copyright gets involved

[umbral reef]

Can maybe make it an ingame market shop/donation way and take a cut of that?
Only confirmed users can do this (so legal problems can be fully pushed off to them when its paying isntead of donating). But this is an 10 second thinking idea so big odds its hella flawed.

[vivid oar]

guess we gotta enjoy VR as a wild wild west while we can

facebook/oculus investing money into vrchat kinda worries me for that reason

[queen tangle]

How to change VR Chat to azerty

TAG Me please

[vocal shard]

azerty?

[still lark]

it's a keyboard type

[vocal shard]

oh that

lol i thought he was talking some other chat system

[rough pulsar]

@queen tangle I don't know if VRChat will do anything with it, but holding shift while starting it gives you some options, one of which is a tab to reconfigure input keys and such. You might have some luck with that.

[vocal shard]

might have to change the keyboard style to azerty to use it in VRchat

[sterile glen]

it would be cool to like, when holding a pen or something you can hold it with your left hand (for pc users)

[ashen peak]

hi im new

[still lark]

hi new i'm dad

[ashen peak]

?

[ivory frost]

Facebook invested? I think that's the push for VRchat to come to Quest then, as a driver for Quest sales.

[ruby needle]

hi new dad, im FPaul

[twilit urchin]

hey FPayl

[ivory frost]

As an illusion that Quest is a portable Rift that doesn't need a gaming PC.

[still lark]

@ruby needle Hey Son. 😏

[ruby needle]

it sucks cus it will lead to either bad performance or a separation content/comunity wise

as in vrchat's case

[ivory frost]

When it is really Sony GearVR with touch controllers.

[ruby needle]

But it's what most people expected when the Quest was announced.

A joke 😃

[ivory frost]

FPaul it may lead to people getting an itch to buy a better headset...or you could be right because people won't know what they are missing. I watched the developer threads. It has to be restricted more than I even imagined when they announced it.

[ashen peak]

why is it not a meme chat here? (i dont know why i even said that question)

[ivory frost]

They expect to have a maximum of 10 players per world. With really low Poly some estimate it could be up to 24.

[ashen peak]

@still lark can i be grandpa?

[ruby needle]

It will mean people gettings a headset that just cant deliver what people want

you can't just buy out PC titles and have em port shit

when they are not at all ooptimized and intented to be on a mobile platform

[ivory frost]

I digress. Facebook doesn't care about VRchat. They care about facebook. They just need people to buy the Quest. If vrchat sucks on the quest then people on Quest will migrate to what works for them which will be facebook spaces, Altspace VR, and Rec Room...or they will return to being desktop users.

Like I pointed out. Beat Saber looks like it will work well, but it does have some graphics compromises.....compromises that are part of the new songs for Beat Saber for PC now too. Not a big deal visually, but it's a big deal that they have taken away from PC eye candy to make the game fit a phone.

[ruby needle]

it's sad that it will hurt the expenriences of the main platform

[umbral reef]

And the thing is- There are some high end model makers making great quest models now because they know what they are doing.
But anyone else, any 'normal' person wont be able to make the quality like anything on PC or those high end models.

And even if so- From what i understand from reading various chats. Getting a well optimized world is extremely important on the quest. And its fairly hard to make one...

[ivory frost]

It could become a driver for VR that gets more people interested in getting gaming PC's and better VR, but its market is mostly people who can't easily afford those.

It could permanently turn the masses off to VR too when they think they have "been there, done that." Look at how many people don't even own a PC now because of smart phones.

[ruby needle]

for vrchat there will be 2 bubbles one of both (the quest one) which will end up beeind boring and limited.
It's not a true "play together" experience.

As much as you want to title it cross play, it's 2 universes. Yes a PC might be able to play quest optimized stuff but that'll be so limited and not much used content that i would cal it 2 separate experiences

[umbral reef]

Pc's can 'downgrade' to quest worlds
Quest users are out of luck if they want to go to the main community.

[ivory frost]

OcLac, maybe I just witnessed the early learning curve, but to see the conversations the world developers were having was discouraging. Also to see so much energy and effort going into trying to compromise but not more than absolutely necessary...instead of "What can I create now?"

[umbral reef]

Well its more a problem of- What can i do without the FPS being hit.
If a world runs smooth on the current GO without any extra players. Id assume its fine on the quest. But the worlds wont have the magic feeling like some current worlds have. Funny enough most of those world arent big beside the dancing worlds.

Id be better for most to start over from nothing at all instead of downgrading like loads now do from what i see .

[ivory frost]

The actual play space is quite limited in addition to the severe limit on number of players, and both of those limits are after Avatars are restricted to 5,000 Poly's or something similar.

Yes, and then you take a world like the box. You can make a BOX for quest, but what's the point? Avatars are what make the BOX a good world at all.

[umbral reef]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/565256303614623767/568866991616688128/unknown.png
PC v quest from someone with loads of experience.

[ruby needle]

that is also a rather simple avatar

[ivory frost]

Yes. It's a simple avatar and you aren't seeing the limits on shaders, etc having their effect.

[umbral reef]

Looks good though- Not the jpeg style most people meme with.
But your right, its not that high quality. And its again made by someone who properly knows there stuf

[ruby needle]

i really wouldnt know how i could fit mine under that limit, even with optical impact

fitting the old 20k limit aint to bad if you really want to

[umbral reef]

I know my current avatar unless i fully remake it wont be able to go below 5K

[ruby needle]

yeah

many avatars will required creating a separate low poly model

which is normal for building a mobile build of your game

but not how user content works

even from dedicated users.

[ivory frost]

I hate to be so negative, but it looks like it will lack what makes VRchat VRchat in the end. That the whole point was funding so that the VRchat logo could sell Quest's.

[ruby needle]

it will

i'll propably end up making a 2d plane as a quest replacement for me

to at least not be default robot

¯_(ツ)_/¯

if 1 out of 10 in a room wil have a actual quest optimized avatars that's gonna be a wonder

except for extra quest communities that would mean a separated community tho

[quartz osprey]

auto-lod server-sided on all avatars that get loaded in for the quest

[umbral reef]

What do you mean?

[ivory frost]

If the limit is 10 users, then I will rarely be in a shared world. There was some discussion of the PUG being ported...Hopefully they aren't trying to make all instances of the PUG cross-play compatible.

[quartz osprey]

Quest and PCVR versions will be seperate instances i think

[ruby needle]

they are supposed to be cross play

[umbral reef]

You can makea world crossplay- Means the PC users use there quest avatar.

[ruby needle]

cus else its not vrchat

[umbral reef]

Can also just make it PC/quest only

[quartz osprey]

on quest pc version avatars will just have the avatar shown and nothing else (no shaders/particles etc)

[ivory frost]

The PUG is a good example of a world where they will want to have PC only and crossplay I think.

[quartz osprey]

if they go for crossplay

[ruby needle]

everything needs shaders

but the functions you can use are limited

[quartz osprey]

i mean just the base whitelisted once (like turning shaders off in safety settings

[ivory frost]

Here's the deal with limited users. It's not that I care to be the center of attention out of 30 people. It's that out of thirty people you have a better chance of finding a group of 5 to 10 that are chill and fun while twenty other's goof off or whatever....

[umbral reef]

@quartz osprey No you need to fully upload a quest ready avatar. PC avatars wont work at ALL on the quest unless it got specially uploaded to it.

[ivory frost]

and it's fun to be in conversation with background noise and such happening from other people. That adds to the immersion in public worlds.

[quartz osprey]

hehe my system can’t even handle 6 people in a room with only friends avatars and shaders

let alone 30 lol

[umbral reef]

Guess you are running on a pure potato or your friends got loads of dynamic bones.

[quartz osprey]

amd fx4100 ... (a potato yea)

my gpu is pulling the weight (gtx 1070

[ivory frost]

I'm not even sure on the current player limits, I just know it's not 10, and I know I enjoy having more than one group in a world. You have to have new people available to meet new people.

[quartz osprey]

events maps are max 64 or something

[umbral reef]

Dont you get a fair bit of bottle necking then?

[ivory frost]

I need to stop ranting I guess. My final thought though is if you watch the trailer in the Oculus Store, and I assume Steam too, you will see what Makes VRchat captured quite well and none of that from that trailer is coming to Quest.

[quartz osprey]

running @ 20-35 fps at VRLow with the oculus rift

[ruby needle]

the FX is crap

You should really upgrade that especially if you allready run VR and a 1070

[quartz osprey]

yea ..saving up for a huge upgrade

[ruby needle]

it's super bottlenecking

[quartz osprey]

ASUS Maximus IX Hero/i7 7700k/[Trident Z] F4-3200C16D-8GTZ/Noctua NH-D14

this is what i am eyeing at

[ruby needle]

nah no 7th gen at this time

go newer

8th gen has raised core counts

[ivory frost]

You guys have a good day. I guess I need to go be responsible.

[quartz osprey]

hehe have a limited budget

[ruby needle]

then i'd rather buy a 8th gen i5 then a 7th gen i7

cus you get 6 actual cores

insted of 4 cores with 4 hyperthreads

[ivory frost]

ihsanaT, go used if you can. Since you already have a good GPU you can probably find some good options for an 8th gen used.

[quartz osprey]

or i sell my furniture and go for the i9 9900k

😛

[ruby needle]

thats not a gaming cpu

[ivory frost]

Selling furniture creates a bigger play space too. That's a good plan.

[ruby needle]

buying a i9 for gaming is like buying a lambo for shopping

[ivory frost]

I have an I7 8700k, and a 1080ti. I'm pretty sure this is the best performance bang for the buck. Anything better is way more expensive and not that much better.

[ruby needle]

i7 is not bang for the buck

i5's are actually the gaming CPU's to go to

while i7s are for enthusiasts or people with to much money

[umbral reef]

i7's are only good if you want to render/process loads of stuff at the same time.

[ruby needle]

yes

[ivory frost]

Well I stream, and have video projects in mind.

[ruby needle]

especially since 8th gen i5's are native 6 Cores it's my goto CPU now

[ivory frost]

I have been streaming mixed reality even, and they way my room gets to cooking after only an hour of Beat Saber MR...I'm giving an I7 a run for its money.

But I was mostly happy with my Vrchat experience with an I5 4th gen. and a Radeon RX580 GPU...so Ihsana can definitely get a big boost from a newer CPU.

[vocal shard]

anybody know about this latest event? it says 12/13 so does that mean december?

[quartz osprey]

i think 12/13 june

[torn nebula]

@umbral reef　i7s are good if you're using the Vive wireless adapter, that uses a ton of CPU for compression...

[umbral reef]

That also ye- keep forgetting about it

[ruby needle]

the wireless adapater does video compression on the PC ? 😄

[velvet quarry]

Mhm, takes a good chunk of the CPU

Makes my i7 6700k cry

[ruby needle]

thats stupid

why is that CPU compressed

and why the fuck does it cost so much then if there is no ASIC/FPGA for compression involved

thats hilariously bullshit

[final vale]

what does having a red loading avatar mean

the name of the avatar isn't "avatar not available" btw

[meager solstice]

means the model was taken down/privatred/removed

and is no longer available

[ruby needle]

not really

it often means there was a issue pulling the data as a kind of connection issue and such

if a avatar has actually been removed it shouldn't really try loading it at all.

or it can happen if the data is corrupted for some reason. (after upload)

[torn nebula]

@ruby needle there's an asic for decompression

[final vale]

btw it happens also with my peresonal avatars sopmetimes

[torn nebula]

I've heard that the raw video stream is too much data for the PCIe connection on the wireless card though

[final vale]

ohi see like 5 pereson per instance with red avatars

[ruby needle]

raw data on 60ghz would work but yes in needs compression on lower frequencies. the price remains insane for CPU compression tho.

[velvet quarry]

@final vale Do you have enough space on your C:\ drive to download the cache data?

[final vale]

ye

[torn nebula]

@ruby needle the PCIe connection. Can't compress on the card if you can't get the raw data there

[ruby needle]

PCIe has more then enogh bandwith

[torn nebula]

Actually yeah, just did the math

Only around 700mb/s

So... HTC profit margin I guess

[ruby needle]

it just performance wise is a complete stupid thing

[covert linden]

Hey Fpaul?

Serious question this time its pc related

[ruby needle]

have you turned it off and on again?

[covert linden]

nono its not something not working

I read all you guys said, I'm wondering if having a system that

crap hit enter// A system that's designed for rendering, animation, and video editing, if you can have a system designed for that AND gaming?

If different cpus are made for different things

[ruby needle]

thats not it

it's more about that at some point its just a money waste buying any more since one thing wont profit from it anymore

or not at all in a reasonable degree to what you pay more

[modern oar]

Anyone else miss the Mister Wisker hunt ?

[covert linden]

Ah okay good to know thank you

[long tundra]

anyone else stuck on the login screen?

oh nvm after restarting the game a few times I got in

[ruby burrow]

The TP Cast charged the same price as the official Vive wireless, but both are sort of effectively "The first and only available" so they have easy leverage to charge a premium.

People paid a lot for the TP Cast since it was literally the only option at first, and then they paid a lot for the official adaptor because it worked more smoothly than the TP cast, and was the only officially supported option.

Hopefully as others start offering wireless adaptors (Perhaps Index), they might force more competitive pricing.

@covert linden When building for one specific purpose or another, there'll always be aspects which one purpose didn't really need, but generally they'll still complement each other plenty well enough.

[covert linden]

Ah okay thak you, its good to know I wont need two seperate pcs for what I do.. or yknow something extra as heck

[ruby burrow]

Unless you're building something exceptionally specific, like a dedicated web server or a bit-coin miner, the parts that rendering/anim/vid-edit and gaming need, are still similar enough.

Honestly it will kind of be a nice perk really. Even if you had no interest in gaming, a decent rendering setup just so happens to be able to do that well too.

[covert linden]

Its all similar nothing hardcore like 3d rendering, so yeah.
Im getting a
Ryzen 2600, 1660ti, and 16gb ram
Is that all good?

[rough pulsar]

If it's good for VR it's good for most other things too.

And that sounds pretty good to me.

[covert linden]

Thank you ^^

[ruby burrow]

There's just slight trade offs in what you prioritise. Eg, a truly ideal video editing PC maybe wants the best possible CPU, whilst a gamer might go for a top end graphics card.
But that would require a silly high budget before you started noticing much difference really.

[rough pulsar]

And then there's times where you just throw your credit card to the wind and go all out on everything

[covert linden]

Yikes I cant do that, I can barely afford this pc im getting

[ruby burrow]

Hehe. I don't own a credit card, but I do save ruthlessly to maintain the hobbies that matter to me.

[rough pulsar]

Neither do I but it gets the point across

And nothing beats desperately rendering & video encoding while subtly indicating across the theater to keep everyone busy and distracted so they don't notice you're cutting it so goddamn fucking close.

[covert linden]

As long as it can edit well the rendering isnt important to me, my 6 year old i3 laptop would take countless hours (upwards of 24) to render, which doesnt matter as long as the editing proccess is good

But rhe pc is better thaan my gaming laptop which means I shouldnt have editing problems

[ruby burrow]

When were you expecting to be ordering this stuff?

[rough pulsar]

Plus the Ryzens are pretty good at multitasking.

[ruby needle]

Thats what they're optimized for

[covert linden]

I want it all before end of june because my boyfriends gonna build it for me, I havr some mental issues that prevent me from like, doing it myself the first time

So im trying really hard to not only get money from my job but by other means as well..

[ruby burrow]

Just asking since the one thing that's made me hesitate on ordering my own R2600 is that the 3000 will turn up some time mid 2019.

Ah, well it helps a lot to have someone to help with a build anyway.

I learnt it all myself from watching youtube videos, but it goes so much faster with an experienced friend.

[covert linden]

I have bad sensory overload so like even putting the gpu in to my current not function pc I had a panic attack, so id prefer him to show me how to actually like do all that so if Im panicked its okay cuz he can do it

[rough pulsar]

I'm saving up for a Threadripper 2990WX, unless they release a third gen before then then I'll be saving up even more.

[ruby burrow]

googles this

[rough pulsar]

32 coressssss

[ruby burrow]

Lol, yikes. Don't think I'll be getting that one.

£1600

[covert linden]

32!?

Thats soo many

[rough pulsar]

For massive parallel workloads it's amazing.

And yet vrchat still doesn't run any better with it 🤣

[covert linden]

Sad day

[rough pulsar]

If they update to 2018 or later and move what they can to the jobs system then it would.

[hidden lake]

Yeah so far we're expecting 3rd gen ryzen ar E3 (since the ps5 is using new AMD tech and this is their kickoff)

[covert linden]

One day when the lts is released

[rough pulsar]

I think 2019 is coming along, so an LTS of 2018 should be soon

[ruby needle]

hopefully we get a quicker move this time

as it would benefit all

desktop but also mobile

which's platforms are heavily build with MT in mind

[covert linden]

Whqts gonna suck is everyone whining AGAIN about their things breaking

[ruby needle]

but better now then wait longer and have more stuff be there

[velvet quarry]

People get used to the weirdest things and don't like change I suppose.

I still find it quite interesting that people want "stutter step" to not be fixed :v

[ruby needle]

if we can job obtimize some thing better then it's gonna be sooooooo worth it

[covert linden]

I want stutter step

[velvet quarry]

~its a bug and it needs to goooo~

[covert linden]

Like I wont cry if Its gone but being taught it givws me happy memories and like I use it for some things

[vocal shard]

cool

[covert linden]

But If its gone I wont like complain

[languid beacon]

I really want true avatar physics. Remove stutter step, or at least make it a player mod and normal settings are less bizzare. World creator should have control. Would be nice to not allow flying too

Like, an option you can disable for that world

[velvet quarry]

Flying might be slightly complicated due to it being done with colliders, though I imagine it could probably be fixed with a reworked movement system.

[covert linden]

Itd be cool if stutter step and such could be enabled/disabled per world

Walljumping too

[velvet quarry]

That's usually what the discussion about the issue tends to revolve around on the canny post, which I would encourage people leave feedback on:
https://vrchat.canny.io/bug-reports/p/remove-stutter-step-and-wall-climbing

[languid beacon]

stutterstep is annoying if you wanted more realistic aiming while falling

[stiff igloo]

1

[languid beacon]

Stutter step is useful but it also makes some neat things super cheesable

And I guess there’s so such thing as “realistic aiming while falling” because it can’t happen in reality but you kind of expect to be able to do it in games :p

I’d keep everything the same except not reset Y axis velocity to zero

[covert linden]

Yeah thats true, I Get bothered when I cant aim while falling in normal like.. game settings because it makes jumping harder

Even though realism

[languid beacon]

The one thing I find annoying is walking down a ramp while next to a wall you walk along the wall instead of down the ramp

But yeah probably a player mod for old behavior for people that need it

Cuz I know people would complain

[lethal summit]

hellow guys

[polar elm]

Hiiiiiii

[lethal summit]

hows vrchat problems doing?

they are still here or i still need to wait?

[velvet quarry]

Which problems do you have in mind?

[polar elm]

Cloudflare one is fixed

[lethal summit]

clould is 1 of them

and the blank screen when switching worlds..

[velvet quarry]

Blank screen?

[lethal summit]

yes black or blank screen

when changing worlds the game stops in to black screen and i have to restart it.

they are still there?

[polar elm]

I haven’t had that in a looooong time

[velvet quarry]

Not an issue I have bumped into, think I've heard of some people having it as of late, but not immediately familiar if it's still happening or not.

[polar elm]

Only issue I know that’s active is the “iam a announcement jfwntwjtwjtw” one

[umbral reef]

The basic. You tried the steps in #vrchat-support yet?

[covert linden]

If its relative to the server issues the servers are still bugged. That issue has fixes you can attempt, like a vpn seems to be the biggest fix for that one. Also upvote what oclac said ^

[polar elm]

It doesn’t bother me

[lethal summit]

for me few days ago (like 3 days) it was happening a lot..

i dont think vpn can fix the black screen when switching worlds @covert linden

that was with the log in

[covert linden]

Can if its connection related, if not again #vrchat-support

Gotta always try the fixes

[lethal summit]

my connection its fine...but somewhere after my provider is something wrong maybe.

il just try the vrchat....

[polar elm]

Are you on wireless @lethal summit

[lethal summit]

nope...i dont play on wifi while gaming.

[polar elm]

I notice disconnecting when I use wireless

But then again it’s also a old craptop laptop

[covert linden]

its location based at this point, servers are in south US, so it doesnt matter how good your connection is, its your location and the servers

I use wireless and have no problems but im also like extremely close to the servers

[polar elm]

I’m somewhat close but a thinkpad t60 is to old

[tawny sable]

New sabaton song ❤

[vocal shard]

sabaton? never heard of them

which event is today?

[covert linden]

<@&397642795457970181> Sorry to ping, but uh, that image,

I need to stop clicking things ima get myself ddos'd again

[viral pumice]

Imma just shake my head.

[austere gulch]

Is it against the rules to make a sign calling somebody out in a world you've created? Say if somebody stole your models / avatars?

[covert linden]

I believe so

[austere gulch]

If so, that's lame. Had somebody steal custom models I created, to which they're now claiming them as their own and going around trying to get commissions lol

[viral pumice]

No clicks Reaaaa No clicks.

[covert linden]

Its so tempting sometimes

[viral pumice]

...like mcd when I’m stressed and starving

[covert linden]

Altier you can contact moderation about it #moderation-reports However I think that's seen as 'witchhunting?" unless im still using that word wrong

[vocal shard]

not witchhunting. thats when u try to hunt someone down

[umbral reef]

I got a ping?

[viral pumice]

Nani?

[vocal shard]

not here

[umbral reef]

Well exactly in here because my discord said so c:

[viral pumice]

It lied.

[vocal shard]

lol

u can look thru chat and see nobody pinged u

[covert linden]

@umbral reef I did ping you, asking if an img was against the rules because I wasnt sure if it was worth a chatmood ping

but ended up pinging them anyway

[umbral reef]

Aaa oki

[velvet quarry]

Sure wasn't VRChat related atleast

[covert linden]

Id sure hope not

[viral pumice]

Welp

[lethal summit]

vrcht seems to workl.

i take it back...the black screen its still there.

[velvet basin]

xD

[viral pumice]

Dang so close

It seemed hopeful

[lethal summit]

login screen also still there...fk..

still cant log in most of the times 😄

but at least i dont need to restart the game 10 times just to log in...

ok ive passed 10 times game restart because i cant join a world

[covert linden]

and you did Everything in vrchat support?

[lethal summit]

yes..

[covert linden]

Even the bottom thing that says to contact support?

[lethal summit]

contact for what?

[covert linden]

...The problems

[lethal summit]

well i believe they already have enough reports with this issue.

[languid beacon]

VRChat was endlessly being slow for me, 20 minute loading times between worlds, five minute avatar loads, nobody else’s avatar would load except mine, unable to send or receive invite requests, this went on for four days. what I did is made a brand new account and the new account worked perfectly, then going back to the original it was fixed too.

[covert linden]

facedesk

adeon since when does your pfp move

[raven phoenix]

is there anyway to start creating squishable objects for the new index controllers?

[lethal summit]

il do the next fixes when the vrchat reports decreases in reports because of the issues it has

[languid beacon]

The transition between Relaxed hand to fist is smoothly animatable but this cannot be extended to held pickups

[raven phoenix]

for the new index controllers?

or aka kuckles

[tawny sable]

Holy shit the new sabaton song is lit 🔥

[languid beacon]

This is just a current thing. The relaxed hand to fist transition is smoothly definable for any custom animation, but can only currently be controlled with Oculus touch controllers as vive is a binary button to my knowledge

[elfin cloak]

i need some explanation over here

tell me is it correct when you upload something to vrchat over unity
it will become inactive
and the world or avatar will not exist
because those uploaded things are just being stolen by hackers

[viral pumice]

Whaha

[ruby needle]

I really dont know where the hell you always dig out these things NPF

[viral pumice]

Seriously

[elfin cloak]

those things are happen to me

that's i dugout from

[viral pumice]

I’m just gonna shake my head.

[ruby needle]

Uh....so what you're saying is a hacker is intercepting the transfere when you upload something

[torn nebula]

@languid beacon hand to fist can be interpolated on Vive if you use Vive advanced controls

[elfin cloak]

i need my world back so i can delete it
because i see my world in the list but in unity
i can't see my world in manage your content

[covert linden]

thats an error not a hacker-

[viral pumice]

I think maybe error and hacker have been swapped

[elfin cloak]

well lot people has those problems and they say that the unity is effected by hackers or something

[ruby needle]

"They" so you did hear it by someone somewhere

Not, that is not how it works.

[viral pumice]

A lot of people tell me a lot of crazy things to. One of my users told me there computer died today because it was fried.

[ruby needle]

There might be some networking isssues / bugs with what ever you did. But it might aswell be user error.

[viral pumice]

But they didn’t know where the Power button was

[elfin cloak]

well i experience those things and i hear some remorse about that error

[frosty cape]

Hey

[elfin cloak]

so yeah...
now i know that those things are not true
right?

[viral pumice]

Hi 👋

Tbh my head is getting confused

[covert linden]

^

[frosty cape]

Hru

[viral pumice]

Can I just tag fpaul back in?

I’m okay Raven, how about yourself?

[frosty cape]

I’m good finally got over being sick

[viral pumice]

Oh nice being sick 😷 sucks

[frosty cape]

Yeah it does

Hey can I send me a friend request here please

[covert linden]

NPF It is NOT a hacker, 100%. It is simply a glitch

[frosty cape]

🥺😁

[elfin cloak]

alright then

and when we can expect the things get calm down?

[vocal shard]

probly never

[elfin cloak]

oof

[frosty cape]

I chip

[covert linden]

Wym Calm down?

[frosty cape]

Ichio

[ruby needle]

carefull with sneezy like noises around Reaaa

[viral pumice]

Hahaha

[covert linden]

Hehe

[frosty cape]

Hey fpaul Hru

[viral pumice]

...and yet feels weird I’ve never had the weird question

[frosty cape]

And reaaa

[ruby needle]

You might accidentally end up in a relationship 👀

[viral pumice]

lol

[frosty cape]

......

[covert linden]

Fpaul didnt answer me when I asked how he was ;-;

[umbral reef]

He is fpaul. So he is doing Fpaul-

[viral pumice]

It’s okay Reaaa

It’s okay

[covert linden]

Youd actually be surprised, my boyfriend has adorable sneezes.

[frosty cape]

Can I pay someone’s head

Pat

[viral pumice]

Haha pay my head

[vocal shard]

lol

[languid beacon]

Pay my head

[frosty cape]

Sorry

😁

[viral pumice]

It’s oki it Happena

[frosty cape]

?

[covert linden]

lets not lie here fpaul secretly enjoys my sneeze talk

[frosty cape]

Oh ok

[viral pumice]

....uh okay

[frosty cape]

Well that’s strange

[viral pumice]

Haha nah

[umbral reef]

Maybe should move to #general-media

[dark narwhal]

👀

[viral pumice]

That’s just Reaaaa being Reaaaaa

Oh yeah.

[frosty cape]

So can I pat someone’s head please

[viral pumice]

Moving over.

[languid beacon]

Rule of thumb, if the rumor you’ve heard uses the word “hack” you can be fairly confident it’s false. Anyone who knows what they are talking about tends to not use that word.

[frosty cape]

Bye guys

I need to put up my creetans

[vocal shard]

lol

[rain merlin]

So I have a pikachu model that expands when I talk, and whenever I'm in murder mystery, I burst through rooms with a knife and yell "HerE'S PIKACHU"

And then I promptly die a few seconds later

[humble cloud]

Yo why do 99% of mirrors kill my game lol my pc isnt THAT bad and runs most worlds fine but turn on a mirror and I'm fucked.

[covert linden]

because mirrors are basically rendering the game like 2-3 more times

[cerulean echo]

Crvtv tcfyyryvfufryvfvytvtyf fly

[covert linden]

@humble cloud

[languid beacon]

Mirrors double all geometry it’s like running two scenes at once. Also many worlds don’t despawn the mirror when you walk away, or ones with multiple mirrors don’t make the others turn off, meaning they stay laggy even after you leave

Multiple mirrors can be deadly on weaker PCs

[hexed maple]

Where can I find a tutorial for adding a gun or any gesture items for an avatar in unity?

[languid beacon]

Any tutorial on hand pose props

[rigid crescent]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rJlYsYrfi8Q

[rough flax]

@humble cloud most people leave the mirror at 100% default.
Rendering everything in the scene, with 8xAA.
Nobody ever only has it render just players with no AA

[ruby burrow]

Nobody? That's one of the most common features for mirrors in worlds there is. The issue is just that countless worlds still don't.

[vocal shard]

Where can I find that Penguin of Madagascar avatar? :p

[humble cloud]

Gotcha, thank you guys for the explanation 👍

So stupid lol wish they had it in settings to only show you in mirrors not backgrounds.

[rough flax]

I haven’t payed attention lately, or been in this worlds, but like an update or 2 ago it was still possible.

[humble cloud]

Like a local thing

[rough flax]

It would be nice if you could have local options for LOD and mirror quality instead of relying on the world.

[humble cloud]

Yep. For realsies.

[vocal shard]

Nvm.

[lethal summit]

same issues...fk

cant play vrchat again

[vocal shard]

does anyone know where I can get a SCP-096 avatar?

hmm?

anyone?

hmmm'

[languid beacon]

Additional messages make it less likely to see your original message, not more :p

[rigid crescent]

It makes me want to not help

[ebon hinge]

Got another slender up

[queen mango]

@vocal shard SCP-087 map, I believe

[vocal shard]

ok

[elder belfry]

Yikers

[vocal shard]

But the penguin is removed.

[queen mango]

[viral pumice]

👀

[frozen raven]

what is the latest version for unity

is it still 4.15 ?

[meager solstice]

@vocal shard 2017.4.15F1

so yeah nothing has changed

u got it right

[frozen raven]

ok

[ancient abyss]

[vocal shard]

sometimes i worry that i will end up in a loading loop when going to worlds

i wish that could stop already

just stays at 100%

[shrewd quarry]

What's the average maximum drawcall count that you'll be able to maintain 90 FPS on in VRC?

[ruby needle]

well it aint all about the drawcalls

Dynbone calculations and such will drag it down too, propably even more

[shrewd quarry]

Ye no dynamics.
If it was just down unmerged meshes & unatlased textures for material counts how many is too many?
Trying to explain to a bud it's horrid to not atlas or leave meshes unmerged

[rigid crescent]

Too many things factor into it

To give an answer on 90fps that is

[rough pulsar]

Each additional skinned mesh is almost the same as having another avatar entirely.

[umbral reef]

Can maybe explain it like:
Your PC can only carry 50 rocks
Every avatar has a few rocks, 2 drawcalls are one rock, one dynamic bone collider is two and so on.
The more close you get to your pc 'rock count' the worse.

So now we are at the 50 rock count for our pc. What can we do? Optimize. An easy step for everyone is to reduce the drawcalls then as all avatars have those for sure. A few drawcalls less might not mean loads on one avatar but it does on 10 avatars for the count.

[rigid crescent]

More than you need is too many tbh

If I'm using 3 different shader settings then I should only need 3 materials. Skin, clothes, tranparents for example.

[shrewd quarry]

Right now his avatar is sitting at 14 unique materials and 14 meshes

[rough pulsar]

OH my god tell him to merge and atlas his shit

[rigid crescent]

Lol holy crap

[umbral reef]

Tell himt ahts pretty much 4 avatars worth of crap

[rigid crescent]

Is there a reason he needs those 13 extra meshes and probably 8 or so extra materials?

[umbral reef]

4 high end models worth of crap*

[rough pulsar]

At that level you're allowed to start shouting that he needs to stop

[rigid crescent]

Wish we had more official info :3

[shrewd quarry]

He made the model within maya

And when porting over to blender it becomes well. a mess

[umbral reef]

All i can think off is Why!

[rigid crescent]

Ctrl+J. Meshes are joined.

[shrewd quarry]

One moment, I'll put a screenshot in #avatar-optimization Of what's happening when I bring it over to blender to optimize..

I commissioned it from em

[umbral reef]

install cats plugin
Laugh at how easy it is to optimize

[ruby needle]

as a general model, or as a vrchat model

[rigid crescent]

Oh if it exploded or something then that's an issue I guess

[shrewd quarry]

Vrchat model

[ruby needle]

if it was commissioned as a vrchat model then... well

[lament hinge]

hello

gamers

[white reef]

does anyone know where good emotes are?

[lament hinge]

fortnite

lol jk

[unique mauve]

How I just had a world go from state 2 Labs to published in less than a day.. thats the fastest any of my worlds have had it done. Some of mine are still waiting after weeks

*wow

[next trench]

.

[sage willow]

Im getting black screens when i try to load into worlds, is this because of the recent issues with vrchat?

[keen solar]

same

[vocal shard]

Same here

And the ping high

[harsh star]

I often get errors where I'm stuck at 100% and even pressing the button to go home or the default home does the same thing once it's at 100%, forcing me to restart. Sometimes the worlds don't begin downloading at all and the bar I think looks like "/<text/numbers>".

[vocal shard]

I been seeing that too

[sage willow]

i love it when im having a nice conversation with someone and i lose connection

[light moss]

does anyone know where I can find persona 3 dancing in moonlight avatars? thanks in advance 😃

[compact pendant]

You can find some through emperorzero’s worlds to save. I’m not sure of the exact name of the world though.

[light moss]

thanks

how can i find his worlds?

[torn pelican]

@light moss Open Worlds, type in "emperorzero" in the search bar, and hope you find it.

[vocal shard]

anyone know where i can find a jotaro that uses star platinums ora ora ora been looking for a fully rigged one for while now

[ebon hinge]

It it just me but traveling in worlds close to 200MB is laggy?

[covert linden]

Depends how optimized the world ud

Is***

[light moss]

i finally have my persona 3 avatars and its kinda epic

[rough flax]

Open up beta chat! Reeeee

[modern sand]

whoops

[vivid oar]

VRchat port to Nintendo Labo VR when??!?

[slate verge]

random friend requests, suspicious

[viral pumice]

Ain’t they tho

[hasty condor]

anyone know the absolute best meme servers?

[vocal shard]

finally.

guys

i imported the freaking vrcdsk with unity

wut to do next .-.

@slate verge little help here?

it said sign in with unity ID .-.

[hasty condor]

anyone?

[vocal shard]

im screwed.

[slate verge]

@vocal shard lets move to #avatars-2-general since you are...uploading your avatar?

[vocal shard]

.-.

wait wait wait hold on.

[slate verge]

@hasty condor best memes varies

[vocal shard]

uh oh, im screwed.

i was finding a way to get in vrchat first .-.

ppl be like use unity and vrcdsk .-.

great.

[lavish copper]

can someone help me with unity

[slate verge]

ask in #avatars-2-general and i'll help

[hasty condor]

@slate verge the loudest, funniest, and the most outgoing

[slate verge]

@hasty condor theres this one Big Luigi body builder avatar going around you could use that one

[lavish copper]

ok

[hasty condor]

aight @slate verge

ty

[vocal shard]

how can i play vrchat now..

[tawny sable]

@hasty condor i like your name

[hasty condor]

ty ty

[rustic galleon]

Can i have help with my avatar? I'm trying to add a gun... DM me if so

[vocal shard]

vrchat support still hasnt gotten back to me

[vernal coyote]

haha they probs wont

[severe jetty]

Hello o/

[vocal shard]

Does anyone know if a messaging system is planned for vrchat?

Losing contact with folks, especially as the game is now (buggy), it feels like I’m missing an essential tool

[meager solstice]

Like an ingame message like text messaging @vocal shard

?

[vocal shard]

I mean..

Like if you opened you friendslist, or recents, or in the same world and went to a players profile

It felt like there should be a “message” button

But there was none. No inbox, nothing. It feels very disturbing

[meager solstice]

I mean all features and planned stuff r on the canny https://vrchat.canny.io/feature-requests

Someone may have made a feature request

[vocal shard]

Hopefully

At the moment, my online friends also appear offline so I’m never sure if they’re really on. Or if I lose someone I can never just ask if they had to go or are busy

It feels like vrchat is simulating early 1900s. We live in 2019. Where’s my ability to text instead of mail an invite and wait to see if they ever accept

[meager solstice]

I mean it’s a pretty early access game

And in my opinion they kinda have bigger fish to fry.

But a messaging system would be helpful

[velvet quarry]

There was a WIP implementation of one back a good couple of months ago, it was disabled however due to other priorities I imagine.

[vocal shard]

I feel it is one of those bigger fish. Disregarding the bugs, my biggest obstacle to having an enjoyable experience is as this lack of ability to message

[meager solstice]

I mean for now it seems like most people keep in touch via discord

[vocal shard]

Well yeah, but doesn’t that show that the game needs it

That a third party app is generally necessary to enjoy the game to the full extent

Take for example if discord didn’t exist or if you weren’t able to download it

It’s a major inconvenience. And it goes against the social flow of vrchat. I agree that there’s bigger issues, and I agree those should be taken care of first, however, vrchat shouldn’t use discord as a crutch for its lack of a messaging system

Vrchat is essentially an mmo. What mmo have you played that doesn’t allow messaging

[meager solstice]

I mean most anyone can tell u is probably look to see if there is a canny already about or make a new one. I do see the usefulness of it, not saying that discord is a crutch. But the game is still in early access none the less and they have a bit more pressing matters. But I’m sure somewhere down their roadmap they plan on expanding player to player communication

[velvet quarry]

The canny is indeed where the developers look to see what the community is interested in having implemented, so if you want that feature added, that's definitively where to go with it.

[wicked epoch]

More people should check out the canny, get in there!

[meager solstice]

True if more people do use the canny, it’ll give the devs a better idea of what people want.

So more people the better

[vocal shard]

https://vrchat.canny.io/feature-requests/p/mailbox-messaging-system

@meager solstice

Found exactly that! Their idea is even more in depth too, hopefully we get to see some of these features added

[tardy plover]

is mods vrc a respectable site?

[umbral reef]

Any non official VRchat website cant be trusted.
mainly if they provide you unity packets and you dont know what should and should not be inside them

[dawn pecan]

When importing something, you can choose to keep only textures and shaders. But you sort of need to know what you're doing (and why the UI looks messed up and how to fix it, if you don't import the UI related scripts)

But yeah, treat .unitypackage's as .exe files or something

[lethal summit]

still i cant really play vrchat.....

[dawn pecan]

How come? Can't help you with that little information

[lethal summit]

2 problems i always have
Log in problem...
Black screen when switching or joining a world.

i need to restart the game several times to just log in...
but if i log in im hiting the other problem...joining a world but i get a black screen instead so i have to restart the game again...but then again login problem...restart res res res...gets annoying af

[dawn pecan]

Black screen when switching world is a time-out, it sometimes happens for me if I've stayed somewhere for a long time, but it shouldn't happen often. Are the servers unstable at the moment, or are you always experiencing these issues?

I'd recommend things like trying a lan cable rather than wireless though

[lethal summit]

i dont juse wifi.

i always have those issues

once i join a world...il just stay in there in order to not get again the black screen..

only some times i can join a second or third world...but the 4th one...is 100% a black screen.

i had these issues since the vrchat started with the log in problems

[dawn pecan]

Strange. It does sound like server problems on their end, not sure if you can do much about it
On average, I need to restart VRChat once a day, so it's a minor inconvenience at worst. I don't have any log-in issues though

[lethal summit]

or something about cloud filter.

[true sky]

Check #open-beta-announcements if you are opt into open beta

[lethal summit]

im not in open beta.

[true sky]

They are testing patch 4

Supposedly fixed the login iasue and black screen when switching worlds

[dawn pecan]

Cool

[true sky]

@lethal summit Try the open beta and switch worlds and see if it still happens

[lethal summit]

il try it another time when il switch the windows..

im waiting for this one to get more slowly.. ( i noticed that i lose some perf when i do updates to the win)

but instead the vrchat never crashes with win7

[slate verge]

i think the server died

nvm, how odd...

can't sit in couch or chairs though

[light wedge]

how make move cube with pitch sound

[heavy dawn]

oh my gosh that PFP! 😻

[pulsar wedge]

Does anyone else have issues with favorite avatars and social notifications?

[tacit plank]

Error      -  System.ArgumentNullException: Argument cannot be null.
Parameter name: url
  at WebSocketSharp.WebSocket..ctor (System.String url, System.String[] protocols) [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0 
  at Transmtn.WebsocketPipeline.ProcessPipe () [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0 
```Anyone else getting this?

[vocal shard]

i have a problem where it wont load and i got randomly kicked from the game and now it wont work

and the screen just go's blank when it does load

?

[sweet stream]

I keep getting loaded into my home world every 20 seconds

[covert linden]

@vocal shard Do whats in #vrchat-support As well as restarting your router and using a vpn. If all fails, try their #open-beta-info ^-^

[tacit plank]

Same

[vocal shard]

wait a minute i fixed it

[sweet stream]

run to my mirror and the game makes me load into the same world

[tacit plank]

Started just a minute ago

[vocal shard]

hi everyone

[sweet stream]

now its making me join random people's worlds

[vocal shard]

i only fixed it for a few seconds though

[sweet stream]

and they are private worlds aswell lmao

[vocal shard]

that is happening to me too Undoged

[covert linden]

Please follow the steps I listed above

[tacit plank]

Default steps won't work, it's a VRChat server issue

[sweet stream]

yeah

[vocal shard]

yeah

[covert linden]

They have a beta out that says to have fixes for this.

[tacit plank]

Will I be able to join my friends on the beta version?

[sweet stream]

if they also have the beta branch yes

[covert linden]

Unsure, ive never entered the beta myself

[umbral reef]

id say test the beta, find bugs and make it so they can release the update faster p

[covert linden]

#open-beta-announcements also this one has the information I sent the wrong link

[sweet cipher]

I have an oculus rift and I have heard a few things about my setup. I am currently in a hallway with two front facing sensors and nothing behind me. I haven’t had any real experience breaking tracking loss but I do plan on getting a third sensor for the larger room I am moving my setup to. I don’t have a table or anything to set it on, in fact there is a couch behind me, so i was debating mounting the sensor to the wall behind me. Should I change anything with this setup or is this a good idea?

[tacit plank]

I want to play with my friends, nothing more

[covert linden]

Mounting them on the wall will give you better tracking, especially with 3

[umbral reef]

Wall mounting or roof mounting is almost always better as there will be a bigger reach.

[vocal shard]

its working for me now

[tacit plank]

It stopped looping for me too now lol

[sweet cipher]

Thank you! There is second fault in my plan. I haven’t done the measurements yet but I believe the wall behind me is larger than the play space for the rift. In other words in the center of the room I would have a dead spot where none of the sensors would track. Solutions? I am willing to buy more sensors to mount on side walls?

[flint yoke]

You could always place them on the floor

Facing up

[sly nexus]

Wouldnt it lack in perspective?

[grave sage]

quick question whats the current unity version we have to use again?

[vocal shard]

2017.4.15f1

[flint yoke]

Well, if you have one mounted to the wall, and another on the floor, You'd never run into problems with tracking

[grave sage]

kk thank you

[vocal shard]

np

i am right now experiencing world loading issues. I just got thrown out of a world and landed in my home world, then it reloaded and tried to put me in my home world again