They just lazy?
#vrchat-general-2
strange quarry
severe geyser
Mods? There aren't mods in the desert. Don't change the topic man.
strange quarry
XD
woven steppe
modded sand?
wintry laurel
So I'm fairly new to VR chat and I wanted to ask a few questions
tacit plank
Flashback to that retarded quicksand block in ftb ultimate
woven steppe
define "few"
rigid crescent
Yeah sadly any dissent is met with "email staff" by certain mods and those emails aren't looked at lol
tacit plank
Sure, VRC stuff takes priority in here
rigid crescent
Usually the same discord mod shutting down the conversation when people have issues with moderation. Interesting👌
I've always wondered why 
woven steppe
Isn't that technically censorship?
weary bison
emails are always looked at
severe geyser
Are you kidding lmao
weary bison
100% of the time
tacit plank
Depends. As long as mods aren't capable of preventing other mods from seeing complains, I think it's fine
severe geyser
The conversation pretty much concluded
weary bison
mic, last warning
severe geyser
Anything further is just whining
strange quarry
Do mods have a ban list?
rigid crescent
What is the warning for exactly so I know what to stop
strange quarry
A ban list of users and their reasons
weary bison
you know exactly what I mean
strange quarry
They want you to stop making them look bad
safe prism
||existing||
strange quarry
Saying they don't do their job basically
rigid crescent
I don't, should I ask another moderator? I'm just asking what specifically I should be stopping.
weary bison
literally every email received is taken seriously
strange quarry
I explained
weary bison
to deny that is just spreading misinformation
woven steppe
This is supposed to be slow mode... still going too fast
strange quarry
Noe could you answer my question?
strange quarry
Do mods have a ban list of vrusers and their reasons
wintry laurel
I wanted to see if I could possibly commission someone to help me with three different characters, I honestly have no idea what I'm doing and I frankly don't want to mess anything up when it comes to avatars...
weary bison
if it's anything like other services, it'll be associated with the user's account on the database
haughty parrot
hi guys
woven steppe
Anyone up for avatar work?
weary bison
but that's just a guess
strange quarry
So you don't know??
velvet quarry
Ingame matters are not handled here, all this conversation is turning into is speculation and misinformation, It's unfortunate that no reason has been provided, but there's nothing we can do but direct you to the official moderation channels.
If it was unclear, we are not ingame moderators, and do not have access to any internal information.
tacit plank
I'd guess that the game itself will warn mods when a person logs into a new account on an IP which has been punished before or something
strange quarry
A mod could just ban someone for anything and you wouldn't know?
I'm not saying you mods abuse their powers
But some have in the past and I want to find out the loopholes
weary bison
there's a level of common sense that has to be exercised
someone who's paid to moderate risks losing their job if they intentionally go against policy
generally speaking, of course
strange quarry
Do you NOT have a list of banned people with their reasons so you know who is banned and if so rightfully banned and not a mod abusing their powers?
tranquil perch
The discord chat mods are not in game mods. We dont have the power to look at in game bans and thus can only forward people to the proper channels like the emails
umbral reef
@strange quarry Chat mods cant do jack shit ingame though beside report 'better'.
So you wont get any help from them as i also wrote first time we chatted.
wintry laurel
I'll probably put the info in the #avatars-2-general like the specific characters and what not
woven steppe
@wintry laurel Well nobody who's currently looking at this channel seems to be up for avatar work so I would suggest taking it to the avatar help channel and/or the VRC traders discord.
tacit plank
Chatmods aren't that high in the hiarchy, they're just users who can be trusted with following the Discord chat rules
light pilot
Wow
tacit plank
They likely don't know a lot about the inner workings and staff decisions
woven steppe
I mean it literally says on their role tho
"CHAT MOD" which... is sort of different
from a game type mod
wintry laurel
@woven steppe do you have a link to that discord by chance? That would be very helpful, and thank you
weary bison
yellow are staff, some of them might do in-game moderation sometimes
strange quarry
I read CHAT MOD as VRchat
safe prism
from my perspective, the times i've had friends wrongly banned, the responsiveness is weird and inconsistent BUT there's always pretty in-depth reasoning, even when automated. the info they have is very actionable.
woven steppe
it's in the #community-servers-old channel
covert linden
Chat mod, not ingame mod, two different things
woven steppe
That doesn't look hard to read...
covert linden
definately isnt
woven steppe
though that's not the first weird "visual discrepancy" I've seen within the past hour or so
Wait I'm really bad at keeping track of time... the event I'm thinking of was three hours ago.
tidal aspen
I feell ike the quest channels should be below the general development channels since I feel like less people are gonna be focusing on that
vast tulip
maybe true later, but, they will probably have much more focus at the moment
raven pond
I can't believe VRChat quest is a thing, the devs have their priorities all wrong.
cold talon
oh boy here we go, quest talk
raven pond
You'd be disappointed too if you've been asking the devs for years to fix the optimization issues in the game and get no response back, and then see them devote their resources to this.
primal oak
"Keep in mind that you may have 10 or more users in the same room, so you'll want to budget your triangle usage pretty heavily. We recommend that you aim for 5,000 triangles for your avatar."
💀
Nice Messier 87 pfp
covert linden
Keep in mind VRchat was made to Boost VR usage, so this was probably not as much of a choice for them @raven pond
mighty nest
ooh boy I'd love to see what kind of Nintendo 64 models people can pull
raven pond
@covert linden https://tenor.com/view/iguess-gif-6228980
covert linden
Theyre working on a networking IK which will boost the fps exponentially just takes time
vocal shard
anyone wanna buy me nitro 😂
mighty nest
Isn't VRChat Go completely separate from PC VRChat?
Different servers and such. Looks like two userbases
primal oak
VRChat Go is only temporary to help with development for VRChat Quest
velvet quarry
The Quest version can do cross-play with the normal client aslong as the world supports both.
mighty nest
Oh, I thought VRChat Go was the actual name of the quest release. whoops
pastel galleon
I wonder how an avatar "built for the quest platform" should be in terms of optimization, if it uses the current optimization rating and what are the requirements for an avatar to be displayed on the quest
wicked mirage
@brisk bone kind of, more like middle tier, between go and rift
umbral reef
@pastel galleon Id be above the extreme good rating.
pastel galleon
The current system is a bit faulty imo but yeah
wicked mirage
@brisk bone you don't put your own phone in a Go, maybe you're thinking of Gear VR or daydream
umbral reef
@pastel galleon https://docs.vrchat.com/docs/quest-content-optimization just read up here
pastel galleon
Ok the page didn't load for me before, now it works
wicked mirage
@brisk bone I wouldn't say that really i mean Gear VR, Daydream, Go, Quest, they are all based on smartphones just maybe Go/Quest is more optimized for VR content, i don't know if they use a custom OS
placid umbra
The Go is the standalone headset from Oculus, 3dof
wicked mirage
i wouldn't be surprised if the Go/Quest OS is a fork of android
umbral reef
It kinda is-
wicked mirage
Quest does have touch style controllers, that's why i say middle tier, I think the Go is still being sold (unlike OG Rift...)
plush cove
hiall
vale palm
rigid crescent
Oof gotta make a lower poly avatar to make some questbros
ruby burrow
I've been reading through the various info from the announcement on developing for Quest.
I just got to the content optimisation documentation, and can't help but laugh whilst watching the video linked.
https://docs.vrchat.com/docs/quest-content-optimization
The way the youtubers opinion of mobile VR comes across...
rotund wren
@modern sand I was almost right at the meet up when I brought up platforms 😉 :p
lethal niche
||hello there me old chum||
true sky
What?
lethal niche
What?
true sky
hollow stone
👌
molten quartz
languid beacon
Looking forward to this 32K -> 5K challenge tonight
Something tells me first week of oculus quest is gonna have some pretty sloppy decimations lol
I want to talk about ranks. If a blueprint has a laggy android build I feel like it should be reflected in its overall rank otherwise as a pc user I would never know
lean siren
Not gonna lie i feel like there is going too be too much segregation between PC and Quest for Quest to be worth a damn for player already invested in this game.
Just had to get that out
umbral reef
Tbh- Selfish to say but i just hope this does not limit PC VRC at all in updates, resources and new tools
mighty nest
I don't think it would affect pc players that much at all. I'd expect more players since the quest opens up vr availability and quest players can play with PC.
umbral reef
Opens up?
It at best case doesnt limit it and at worse limits options of being added.
Why would the devs make a new system if it wont work/cant be used on the quest?
And the quest runs on android. There is a reason for the limitations of very specific things.
vocal shard
that's why there is a total different sdk (i think) if you want to make your content (world and avatar) also compatible on quest
mighty nest
I was speaking about the audience. But I do get what you're worried about about with devs focusing on something other than the pc platform
umbral reef
There is- But im not talking about avatar or world content. Im talking about VRC updates..
vocal shard
nothing will change for pc players, i think if your model is not quest compatible you'll be floating gray man for them
oh i see
i think is literally the same thing but cut down
so they just need to patch pc version for it to work
or something, i'm no coder
covert linden
You probably cant visit quest friendly worlds woth a desktop avatar.
umbral reef
Thats not how it works...
I suggest fully reading the posts they made as that will make things more clear.
But elements like most shaders and ect flat out cant be rendered on the quest. Thats the reason they limited it to the default unity ones and might want to make there own ones.
But a system like dbones wont work on the quest in any way at all. Or systems close to that even.
And with that- Why would the devs invest further energy into something that is just a PC exclusive compared to working on something both sides can profit from?
(What results in the devs being unable to do loads of cool stuff)
Still dope its gonna be a thing as more VRC players the better
Just dont like the idea of special groups and limiting the options for addons.
mighty wadi
yaharro
languid beacon
You can visit any world that has a windows version on pc, and any world that has an android build on quest. If a world has both built, it’s a crossplay world. Very simple :p
It’s entirely up to the world creator to make their world one, the other, or both
umbral reef
Same goes for avatars. Can use the same avatar ID to make a quest and PC version
languid beacon
I have a feeling a lot of people will be uploading horribly decimated versions of their avatars on the android build of their blueprints
umbral reef
Seen jamie's meme video about 'It just works'?
mighty wadi
delux head strap worth the price for vive?
languid beacon
My opinion is vive is soon to be replaced
mighty wadi
why would it? all the new vr's are just normie shit
languid beacon
Go for it I suppose. It’s just my opinion
ruby burrow
You've not seen the Index Kitsune?
mighty wadi
nope
covert linden
Ah ok so theyre not educated
ruby burrow
Well, otherwise I would say that the deluxe headstrap is very wroth it. More comfortable than Rift, if used on a Gen 2 Vive, in my opinion. Super quick and effortless to put on and off even with glasses.
But you might want to look into the Index first.
Before making any new purchases for your Vive.
mighty wadi
but i got full body
ruby burrow
The exact spec and price hasn't been revealed yet. Will be revealed on 1st of may.
mighty wadi
im not intrested in stand alones
ruby burrow
It's not a standalone. It's lighthouse tracking.
desert stratus
simple speculation but i wouldn't be surprised if valve released some of their own "puck" trackers somewhere down the line since they're really leaning towards enthusiast VR
kinect VR isn't that great, and im not spending $500~ to have hips and legs
kinect full-body*
ruby burrow
Just curious, did you get that idea from the camera's on the front? Is the third time I've heard someone mistake the Index for being standalone. Seems odd.
covert linden
Index isnt standalone
mighty wadi
all the new vr's have been announced as stand alone recently so its just natural to assume the trend is stand alone
also even if the index comes out how much will it be etc its still up in the air
languid beacon
Valve Index is the headset that comes with what was previously called the Knuckle controllers, which now have the proper name Valve Index controllers. It is product fully made by Valve, now separate from the HTC/Vive label. The lighthouses it uses are identicle and compatable with vives’s 2.0 lighthouses.
ruby burrow
Ah, fair enough. Well this one is being made by Valve directly, with PC gamers and VR enthusiasts being the target demographic.
languid beacon
Valve Index is the headset that comes with what was previously called the Knuckle controllers, which now have the proper name Valve Index controllers. It is product fully made by Valve, now separate from the HTC/Vive label. The lighthouses it uses are identicle and compatable with vives’s 2.0 lighthouses.
ruby burrow
To sum up the Index though, the gist of gathered leaks and speculation is...
Lighthouse tracking, resolution equal to or greater than the Vive-Pro, FoV of somewhere close to 135 degrees, ships with the knuckles controllers.
mighty wadi
if i can just get the controllers alone id be happy
doe why only work with lighthouse 2.0 not 1.0
languid beacon
Becasue those use old tech
mighty wadi
dont they both use ir?
ruby burrow
Far as I'd heard the knuckles would work on both lighthouses.
Though I forget the exact details of how the 2.0 compatibility works.
mighty wadi
ok good. i can maybe then upgrade if its like that doe
languid beacon
They do but the headset does not
mighty wadi
tbh its still not announced so its still up in the air
languid beacon
To my knowledge
ruby burrow
Was it that 2.0 sensors work on 1.0 lighthouses, but 2.0 lighthouses don't work on 1.0 sensors?
languid beacon
2.0 stations only work with vive pro
ruby burrow
And the 2nd gen trackers.
ruby burrow
Oh, really? Seems odd. ._.
So 2.0 lighthouses simply don't have an extra tracking option yet? That seems kind of odd...
languid beacon
Yeah can personally confirm I have new trackers and old stations for my oculus vive hybrid full body setup
As does most people with hybrid
ruby burrow
But do you have 2.0 lighthouses?
languid beacon
No.
covert linden
2.0 can either work with 1.0 or 1.0 can work with 2.0... no idea which it is...
mighty wadi
the 2018 trackers?
languid beacon
I have 1.0 base stations and 2018 (aka “new” blue button trackers
mighty wadi
they work with my 1.0 sensords
faint leaf
Does any1 know who MANISH is?
ruby burrow
Yes, same here.
faint leaf
that made greenboy skin?
Please, i need to speak to him. I need to know the song on that avatar
languid beacon
Actually old trackers (grey button) are heavily nonrecommended for oculus hybrid setups
They cross talk. A lot
Base station choice irrelevant they both work with 2.0 trackers
Most people have 1.0 base stations as 2.0/ are not yet sold standalone
ruby burrow
That's what I was saying then. ._.
That the 2018 trackers work with either lighthouses.
languid beacon
If you own a vive and want knuckle controllers you can just buy them they will work your old stations
mighty wadi
very good
languid beacon
I need to start calling them Index controllers knuckle was their code name
mighty wadi
they probs will costs a 100 each
languid beacon
Habit
ruby burrow
I think the conversation probably got confused here when I used the words "Sensors" and "lighthouses" as their correct separate things.
hidden lake
I'll probably get the knuckles first things first
Then eventually i'll move to the new headset when I can
mighty wadi
tbh if you get the knuckles you can slowly upgrade to the full new stuff
hidden lake
Actually i'm 100% getting the knuckles. I'm holding off on the headset
ruby burrow
I'll be basing it on the price of whatever bundles and individual offers turn out to be.
mighty wadi
probs a 1k
ruby burrow
The most economic route is very likely to be the full package.
languid beacon
I’m just going to buy the full Index Kit, since HTC screwed me on a base station and won’t fix it
mighty wadi
valve stuff is never cheap
languid beacon
I’d hope they are cheaper than HTC
hidden lake
besides the time you could get a steam link for like $1 with a 5$ game bundle
mighty nest
Steam controller wasn't too expensive
ruby burrow
I'm still optimistic that it will be undercutting the V-Pro quite a bit.
hidden lake
Isn't it like $50? That's a good bit less than $70 for a switch pro
mighty nest
I'm hoping a full bundle not including any FBT accessories would cost 800 max
ruby burrow
In terms of actual hardware, do remember that the Vive-Pro is absurdly over priced.
hidden lake
I'm not really gonna base it on other products they've sold since what they're showing is really high quality, so
ruby burrow
If Samsung can release an equal resolution screen with better display tech for only $300, then there's no reason to assume the Index needs to be $1000 based solely on the Vive-Pro.
faint leaf
Plz i gotta know who manish is
south oyster
hmm, is there a place i can offer ideas/suggestions for VRChat? 🤔
ruby burrow
It does have other features that may certainly influence it's price of course. I'm just saying you can largely discount the V-Pro when estimating a realistic price.
vocal shard
At least valve is a company that might actually be willing to take a cut on the price to appeal to more people.
languid beacon
@south oyster https://vrchat.canny.io/feature-requests
hidden lake
Yeah, I can definitely see them pulling an amazon fire tablet
ruby burrow
Mhmm. Software sales based business model same as Oculus.
south oyster
ah thank you @languid beacon 😄
ruby burrow
Also, the initial bulk of R&D costs behind lighthouse tracking, don't need to be repeated.
vocal shard
Realistically, the vive pro should be seen as an example of what happens if you price too high
mighty wadi
tbh if valve is smart they wont make the price of the index as expensive as the pro. that way they can provide as good if not better headset of a better price and they can monopolise people who were thinking of getting the pro
languid beacon
Yeah I’m looking forward to all these things that aren’t even as good as the vive pro but vive pro isn’t even on the table in my mind. It feels scammy to me
ruby burrow
A more realistic/reasonable price for the Vive-Pro, if taking the basic Vives price as the standard, would be more like $650.
mighty wadi
douptfull
ruby burrow
Budgeting roughly $75 for each the screen and the headstrap. And honestly I'm being really generous here.
Yes. Full package.
Discounting the cost of not selling two straps, and reducing the shipping weight/size.
I still have the old basic Vive strap tucked away in the box. Pointless wasted material and space. (In terms of selling a complete package.)
vocal shard
When you have the Odyssey+ right now for $299 and the vive pro is basically that with lighthouse tracking, HTC is really pushing it
ruby burrow
^
mighty wadi
pro is like flexing on people
languid beacon
How is odyssey tracking anyhow and what are the controllers like
mighty wadi
its like having supreme shit irl
hidden lake
Wait does that $300 come with controllers?
languid beacon
Squishy was being hypothetical
ruby burrow
Same as any other WMR tracking for the most part I'd assume. Decent but with it's signature compromises.
languid beacon
Yeah I need full volumetric tracking is that a term I need a term
hidden lake
If that comes with controllers then I don't know why I expect the valve index (standalone headset) to cost so much
That's incredible honestly
ruby burrow
All this is very much why I feel like Valve basically got fed up of HTC dragging their feet, in not catering to the PC gaming market that Valve is interested in.
covert linden
@hidden lake its not a standalone headset
hidden lake
I know but that's what i'm saying, the standalone headset for the valve index better not be overpriced to hell if the samsung odyssey can do this bundled
covert linden
There is no standalone headset for the valve index what are u talking about
safe prism
the HMD itself
wild delta
I don't think Valve is making a standalone headset
safe prism
saying standalone in the context of VR causes issues
hidden lake
The steam page leaked and showed it's meant to be bought more in bundles iirc
ruby burrow
Hah. Same Adeon. I've got fed up of how "inside out tracking" fails to distinguish WMR style and lighthouse properly.
wild delta
They are targeting the high end VR market
covert linden
Ah the HMD may noy even be consumer at first
ruby burrow
Valve marketing should invent a term. Or steal yours. We need it.
The Index or something else? Index is absolutely going to be consumer.
It's Valve.
covert linden
Wasnt sure since vive pro wasnt
languid beacon
Vive pro was HtC not Valve
hidden lake
With all their research and development into a huge SteamVR platform, making valve index modular is a pretty good solution
Letting customers upgrade whatever they'd like is great
covert linden
Yes but other things arent consumer at release like a lot of i9
ruby burrow
Oh right. Vive-Pro has always claimed to be enterprise oriented, but was equally a shady way to tempt enthusiasts to part with more money than they should have needed to, to get a much needed upgrade.
brazen galleon
oh god damn it i just updated the sdk 😭
ruby burrow
Index is almost certain to be a pure consumer based product though. Would be no relevant market for it otherwise, and they wouldn't be selling to enterprises on the steam store.
covert linden
Ah okay
ruby burrow
Businesses are already happy enough to buy a Star-VR for $5000.
languid beacon
I am doing best to not be a HTC hater right now but man they might as well have spit on my mother so happy Index has nothing to do with HTC or their awful support would have been a deal breaker
ruby burrow
Lol.
ruby burrow
Well I guess you've been doing a good job on keeping it under control then.
covert linden
I hate htc I fear vive zo Im sticking with my oculus
ruby burrow
I also love my Vive. But have been frustrated at the deliberate stagnation HTC has been maintaining.
covert linden
Ill get a vaalve when my oculus dies but its brand new
ruby burrow
How do you advance a product line up when any future product would need to dramatically undercut your own existing flagship item?
sharp spruce
I'll probably get the valve one, have WMR right now and the tracking is pretty meh
ruby burrow
Like, try to imagine what a Vive 2 would be, and how would it be priced?
shy karma
"Updated video playback handler binaries"
Is that just an youtube-dl update or is it also mfplat stuff?
ruby burrow
It would need to be at least V-Pro in resolution. Equal or greater FoV. With some kind of other relevant feature to help make it feel like a worthy advancement. And the Price would need to be either equal to or only slightly greater than the original Vive, in order to target the same market.
With the Pro just sitting there complacently, there is no possibility for that to happen.
knotty ferry
should I be practicing with low poly model or just regular models
vocal shard
@languid beacon i have a video that explains wmr tracking in some detail. The full range and it's limitations
buoyant geode
Can someone tell me how to disable safety mode i accidentally turned it on
languid beacon
Open menu, safety tab, chose None
hidden lake
should I be practicing with low poly model or just regular models
Usually, I scale up for my models
Whenever I retopologize, I always plan on it being subdivided once. That way I can scale down
If it was a super high detail model where I couldn't do that though, I'd do it all by hand
At the very least, learn to scale down your models
What edge loops can you take away? what can you move around? etc
novel skiff
It may be useful to give in-game VRChat players a notification when a new update is released.
I can't join any of my friends because they're running an old version and trying to contact people who are in VR has proven to be a challenge.
upper fox
in any case, Unity is as easy as playing a game, just read the instructions
uneven narwhal
Anyone else unable to open their quick menu in game?
I can't do anything at the moment, button works in other games, its just not bringing my menu up.
topaz patrol
Question, what's the name of the little pink wolf girl I see everywhere ? She's reaallly small
elfin cloak
hallo
i have a question?
is vrchat new update across steam
need to take more then 30 minute's
to update vrchat
even if i have 20Mb/s ?
queen mango
@topaz patrol Ooka Miko?
hidden lake
Does your network usage in steam show 20 MB/s?
elfin cloak
?
topaz patrol
Yeah that's her. I keep seeing a really tiny pink one running around and I want the model lmao
hidden lake
Sometimes ISP's dont always provide the full MB/s and that's just that, so this shows what you're actually getting (at least with steam.)
hidden lake
It doesn't seem like anything is currently downloading at the moment. Make sure VRChat's update is forced through.
elfin cloak
have to force?
hidden lake
If you see this button in the library tab, this could mean VRChat doesn't have priority. Make sure you click it, and it should start downloading.
queen mango
@topaz patrol There a a lot of avatar worlds with her and her variations. Just search up Miko in the 'Search' Tab or through VRCBot here
hidden lake
If it's currently in progress, make sure the device you're using is properly connected (i.e. a wifi adapter not working)
elfin cloak
hidden lake
Oh okay, so it's simply not finishing
elfin cloak
so is everything alright from my side?
hidden lake
That's happened before. That means it's probably installing or it's just a steam bug
Yeahhh. Sorry man, it's a bug.
elfin cloak
god ...
why alwayse we have some problems
today our internet
next day vrchat
third day stupid steam bug
and how to hell shod i know wether is something is updated propertly or not
😦
hidden lake
Well in that downloads tab, now you should see what games need to be updated
elfin cloak
well
thanks a lot for your help
hidden lake
I'm reading some forums. Try leaving it for another 10 minutes while it updates and let it sit.
elfin cloak
ok now...
here is my current status:
i was caceling 100% update that take's forever to auto close mini window
and i click play and now vrchat runs propertly
but the question is
is it gonna be stable
is update really finish's
😦
hidden lake
It wouldn't let you play unless you either finished the update, or manually cancelled the update and reverted back to an older version.
If you can see other people in the game and see your friends, you're properly updated.
elfin cloak
now i'm able to login and to go to my house
i will gonna check my friends
...
elfin cloak
...
alright
i am able to see people around me
everything is ok
for now
neon vine
Is there a fix for the Friends list yet? Its showing me people who are "Online" but not actually. And when i go to that world they are in the world is empty
queen mango
They could be in Open Beta, or in a different build @neon vine
neon vine
Hmm its also showing people I know for sure are actually not online.
languid beacon
Decimating to any amount is ugly. Make content low poly, then improve it
And it’s always better to manually retopoligize than to decimate
stoic halo
implying i would want to make another model because the 5k amount is ludicrously ugly
hidden lake
It's gonna make it a lot more difficult for drag and drop MMD avatar makers to make something that fits the poly limit. I don't know if that's a blessing or a curse LOL
ruby burrow
People would be surprised what can be done within a given poly count, and how good it can look. The issue is the skill level required to do it.
http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/9/2010/11/brohood.jpg
languid beacon
Correct. Low poly models are the platform for original content, not repurposed content. High poly content modified to fit within strict specifications will never look as good as content specifically made for that spec
rigid crescent
Only hurts Quest players really
I have a feeling they'll need avatar worlds even more than dekstop players
vocal shard
wheres the best place to get premade avatars
rigid crescent
Nowhere we can link to
languid beacon
And we will get the salty people who make android builds of their personal avatars that are intentionally terrible looking
ruby burrow
Yep. And the demographic that will be buying quest will (overall) be the one that's less inclined to use a PC to create that content with.
hidden lake
I'm lucky all of my avatars can already be cleaned up under 5k with only 30 minutes of work
fierce vessel
Quest is gonna have such a hard time running the game
hidden lake
For sure. 36 fps reprojection makes me laugh a bit
rigid crescent
Why? It has all the tools to run fine
fierce vessel
Considering a single person joins the game and it kills like half the players in the server
languid beacon
Not really. Just stick to quest worlds
ruby burrow
It will, hence the huge list of outright disabled features.
sweet nebula
36 fps reprojection? Oh god
ruby burrow
Even things as simple as avatar audio sources are flat out disabled.
languid beacon
Atilion have you actually read how this works? That is not how this works
ruby burrow
No "Awoooo" on Quest.
rigid crescent
No one reads lol
languid beacon
Quest cannot see content uploaded as a windows build. They see the android versions of the blueprints
rigid crescent
Imagine making claims about a topic you don't know about lol
fierce vessel
So a separate player base?
hidden lake
Yep, avatars will have a PC and a Quest version
Quest can play selectively with their own playerbase, or join a "cross compatible" world
ruby burrow
I guess this is going to be stage two of VR-Chat saving VR.
languid beacon
No it is cross play but they load a different version of the avatar if the avatar was made to be crossplay
ruby burrow
First it was desktop players seeing people with VR, and wanting to buy VR.
rigid crescent
Cross compatibility works in worlds designed for it
languid beacon
If the avatar does not have an android version it just looks like a grey robot to quest
fierce vessel
Ah
ruby burrow
Now it's going to be Quest players unable to see any of the fun stuff, and unable to follow their friends to all the more complex PC only worlds, and thus buying another headset.
languid beacon
That means pc users still see the high quality version
rigid crescent
Yeah I figured quest would be a watered down experience , but I didn't think they'd kill audio sources.
fierce vessel
I just hope the new Oculus Rift S fails so they stop trying to push half baked dumb tech to the market
languid beacon
It is up to individual content creators to make their content support cross play
rigid crescent
All memes will have to be via soundboard now, or spoken scripts you've gotta repeat over and over
ruby burrow
Will certainly be interesting to see when this arrives.
languid beacon
By making two versions of their avatar / world that is the same blueprint and your platform loads correct version.
You can all interact but see slightly different models
wild delta
@fierce vessel I think its half baked because Oculus (Facebook) is shifting focus to standalone / wireless PCVR
rigid crescent
They miss out on a lot of the "vrchat experience" people want from the game especially new people
hidden lake
I'd say to everyone considering a quest; run the steam VR test. If all you need is a GPU upgrade, you can totally get PC VR ready in 400-500 bucks
Won't be extremely comfortable, but it's honestly very doable
rigid crescent
Most seem to be younger people
humble pasture
where does one find cats for blender.
rigid crescent
The ones who have come here at least
fierce vessel
@wild delta I'll be honest, think I'll just switch to Steam Index if it will be any good if not then Vive
hidden lake
I don't think the quest will be bad but i've been weary of reccomending it, since you can never upgrade it and it's a completely closed off game market
If it's your only VR option, it's very good for what it does
wild delta
@fierce vessel if I had a good enough PC I'd for sure do the Index with Knuckles. Probs gonna be the best PC HMD of this gen
Quest is basically just a VR nintendo switch.
fierce vessel
They are trying to rush this too much
There's so little games on the Oculus store
And tons of devs just cba to put them on the store
You'll get it cheaper and easier just using google cardboard
hidden lake
The quest or the VRChat port?
fierce vessel
Quest
hidden lake
I don't think it's rushed honestly, it's a great choice for casual VR
wild delta
I believe the Quest will sell well.
hidden lake
I think so too, and that's a really promising prospect
fierce vessel
It will until people start realizing that they are missing out on literally 90% of the VR game base
hidden lake
But it's not like those people could just instantly upgrade to PC grade VR
wild delta
But normies dont want to spend money getting a pc, setting bunch of stuff up, buying an hmd, finicking. They just want to play VR with as little barriers as possible.
hidden lake
Are they going to wait a few more years for desktop quality VR to trickle down into something sub $400 as a total package? probably not. This is a fantastic option.
wild delta
Nah long road future is a standalone HMD with the ability to also get a PC stream wirelessly
languid beacon
My biggest concern is that people interested in making quest content don’t merely re-upload that same content as the Windows build bur actually take the time to make a much higher quality version for the PC platform that way these quest users still look great to PC users and don’t get singled out for looking low quality
fierce vessel
Yeah because that works out great on the console to PC ports
wild delta
@languid beacon Yeah that is a valid concern
fierce vessel
@languid beacon It will be the same as consoles, the game will be made for the quest then half-baked onto the PC
It's the cheapest and easiest option
wild delta
At the end of the day. Money talks, so if market majority shifts to mobile then more investors will go there.
hidden lake
Ati, adeon moreso means VRChat avatars
fierce vessel
If it comes to the market shifting to shit like the Quest then I'm done with VR
wild delta
Every year VR will get better and better. On both sides, no need to leave VR 😃
ruby burrow
Ahh. Yeah. I hadn't considered that. Both regarding VRC content and actual games.
Will be frustrating if we enter yet another "PC vs console" situation where half baked ports are rampant.
fierce vessel
There's a reason I wouldn't bother ever playing a game ported from a console, and it's because they are extremely bad
If the same happens to VR
Sorry mate but not worth my money or time
ruby burrow
Well hopefully we're instead entering a market where both are catered for, and there'll be good incentive to upgrade to the full thing.
fierce vessel
Best that is a dream that has a high chance of failing
ruby burrow
Standalone options for those who want to test the waters, and then PCVR options for when people realise its worth it.
vocal shard
Can anyone create me a avatar that I have in mind? 👀 Pweezzzz
fierce vessel
All you'll get is like you said yourself another "console vs PC"
ruby burrow
Buy a rice cooker and stop wasting money at Starbucks = Entry to PCVR.
wild delta
lol
hidden lake
You'd probably have to commission someone rather than ask nicely for a custom avatar here @vocal shard 😅
vocal shard
Dang 😦
fierce vessel
Companies like facebook will start paying for exclusives on the quest
vocal shard
I tried 🤷
wild delta
Currently saving for a house so no PCVR till next year for me..
languid beacon
Are you saying that there’s a chance that oculus quest will make all of the people who complain about graphics to leave a VR and let the rest of us be in peace? Man I hope oculus quest a super successful then
ruby burrow
I swear half the same people that think a PC is expensive are the kinds that buy a new $700 phone every other year, and maintain a $50 a month contract on it. >_>
rigid crescent
What is the VR game base that they're missing out on? Late reply but the only thing people play are vrc, beatsaber, audica, and sometimes gorn
fierce vessel
When it comes to normal games graphics aren't that important, but when you are trying to create a semi-realistic virtual experience then it becomes an issue
wild delta
Quest is gonna sell like hotcakes during holidays.
rigid crescent
Now in like 5 or 10 years when there's real games and not "experiences" in VR sure.
ruby burrow
Those are hardly the only games.
hidden lake
*cough* Boneworks
rigid crescent
They're the ones people play.
ruby burrow
Those are just the oldest ones.
languid beacon
Don’t talk to me about realism when the game is filled with anime characters, LOL
wild delta
LOL
hidden lake
That's the biggest reason i'm telling people not to get quest, simply because we're on the brink of a lot better VR games
fierce vessel
I'm talking graphics wise
hidden lake
At least not get the quest yet. We still gotta wait until may 1st
Which is around f8 as well, so 🤷
wild delta
There are other uses for VR beyond gaming. Not sure if people think of that.
ruby burrow
Blade & Sorrcery and Gun-Heart are two that won't be on Quest.
Boneworks certainly won't be.
languid beacon
I can understand being picky about graphics if you want to photo realism but if you’re being picky over something that doesn’t look realistic in the first place you’re just being picky about polygons and that kind of thing just seriously does not bother me
hidden lake
There's still great experiences on the quest too. We'll definitely see virtual virtual reality, it's on EVERYTHING
ruby burrow
Realism is the wrong word.
fierce vessel
I'm not looking for photo-realism, I'm looking for graphics that are at least decent to look at on VR
wild delta
Resolution and reduction of screen door?
fierce vessel
Quest has a good chance of having really low polygon support
And I mean really low
fierce vessel
You say that now, but have you tried doing VR with actually horrible graphics
hidden lake
Yes
languid beacon
Yes
scarlet moss
Well it will bother me
fierce vessel
And polygons off a game from 2001
wild delta
I care more about how the game actually plays and how fun it is
hidden lake
Yes. I do a lot of old game emulation in VR
scarlet moss
Star fox polygons
wild delta
Not how many polys it doesnt have
languid beacon
Yes I’ve played Nintendo 64 in VR and they are amazing.
fierce vessel
Honestly it does bother me for VR
languid beacon
I’ve also put hours into Minecraft vr
hidden lake
Okay, so you're the enthusiast where this isn't directed at you
rigid crescent
Most people do care
fierce vessel
I honestly don't care if the game I play normally is 2D, but when it comes to VR it's a bother
ruby burrow
Graphics aren't everything, and you can do a lot with a specially tailored art style, but computationally the Quest is going to struggle with more advanced games.
vocal shard
Any one who got low fps when moving in locomotion since new patch?
ruby burrow
Such as the physics in Blade & Sorcery.
scarlet moss
Polygons can matter for VR because it has a reason for being immersive
fierce vessel
Yes graphics aren't everything but still need to be at least semi-decent to play a VR game
wild delta
The freedom of no wires and no setup of trackers is pretty great selling point
scarlet moss
But as long as everyone plays it when it comes out then I’m happy
ruby burrow
No wires, yes. Not needing to setting up trackers, massively hugely overrated perk.
fierce vessel
- what would be the point of upgrading my PC then if it will only have to run games that can be ran on my phone
hidden lake
As if spending tons of cash on your PC is a good thing for VR
ruby burrow
Took me an hour to do, and have nearly 2000 hours in VR without having to touch or think about them a second time.
wild delta
The cheaper the barrier of entry becomes the better it is for VR as a whole Mobile and Desktop
fierce vessel
The reason I would spend cash on my PC for VR is to maybe progress into the future not stay at the exact same spot
ruby burrow
I don't get why everyone acts like external trackers are this intimidating mammoth engineering project.
wild delta
Its more that its harder to move and re setup
languid beacon
I often say it: virtual reality has a very strong chance of going mainstream, especially with things like the oculus quest, however the biggest threat to crashing the virtual reality market is the PC master race crowd rejecting the casual gaming scene.
fierce vessel
That's like if people said in 2005 "Eh who cares, why bother getting better computers the graphics are fine"
ruby burrow
Hmm.
wild delta
You think mobile APUs wont improve?
fierce vessel
Well it wouldn't be so rejected if it wouldn't interfere with releases so much
Which back to the point of bad ports and exclusives
regal marsh
the ease will defenitely attract more casual attention though
scarlet moss
I’m just so excited to get the Quest though you know what I WOULDNT CARE ABOUT THE GRAPHICS!!!!
Just as long as it’s ok to play
regal marsh
and parents don't get to pick if it's marketed correctly ^^
wild delta
At F8 when Mark gets on stage and holds this thing up. You can damn well bet Facebook is gonna flood their site with ads for this thing. The casuals will be interested
hardy seal
The casuals are already interested my little cousin asked me about it and he's only seen one vr headset that doesn't need to contain a phone
scarlet moss
Will we be able to see gameplay before launch?
wild delta
Best Buy should have demos
scarlet moss
Hm what about off the VRchat team
wild delta
Mhmm demo stations will be limited to pre installed demos. I'm assuming we wont see VRC on Quest till launch date. Unless they do another promo
hidden lake
I'm sure oculus is super iffy about showing off actual hardware before launch
wild delta
^
hidden lake
Most people really care about performance. so if that comes out first with people saying "IT LOOKS TRASH" it's not gonna be a good look
wild delta
I'm expecting similar Go like experience but with 6DOF
scarlet moss
And better controls
wild delta
I've kept my hype pretty on lock. Didn't want to over hype my self ha
ruby burrow
The one thing that I do give Quest the most points for, is being roomscale out of the box. It's always frustrated me no end that Rift-CV1 simply isn't.
scarlet moss
I already have @wild delta can’t stop thinking
ruby burrow
Non roomscale non 360 degree VR just isn't right.
wild delta
@scarlet moss I'm literally been on autopilot this whole month haha I just want to fast ward
hidden lake
I'm not reccomending that to anyone, sadly. Only good thing out of that is that regular oculus rifts will sell cheaper
scarlet moss
@wild delta yep I wanna time travel to F8 rn
ruby burrow
I forget the source, but I read that roughly only 20% of Rift owners have the third sensor. Which is a disturbingly low number.
wild delta
Lot of consumers are just one time buyers. They buy the HMD then they stick to it until they feel like they should upgrade.
vocal shard
I'm sure the valve index will be very good. It's just the price. What will it be
scarlet moss
I find it weird how rift s has LCD
But Quest has OLED
wild delta
Thats Lenovo working its magic
scarlet moss
Ha
hardy seal
The valve headset won't be cheap for sure
vocal shard
Different designers. But to be fair, most higher end headsets are moving to LCD oddly enough. Even valve index is rumored to be LCD
wild delta
Something to do with the pixel arrangement that makes LCD better at reducing SDE
ruby burrow
I guess I'm not that kind of consumer. I bought a Vive and wanted a better Vive within 6 months. And was then frustrated to learn that HTC seemingly had no plan to make one. ^ ^;
wild delta
@scarlet moss you see The Exorcist is coming to Quest?
wild delta
@ruby burrow we are not average hahaha 😛
scarlet moss
Oh and Face your fears 2 hell naw
vocal shard
LCD is much clearer than OLED of the same resolution. I know that first hand. The oculus go when it came out was being compared with the vive pro regarding screen clarity. And that's what being used in the Rift S
hardy seal
I bought my wmr and I want a better hmd but I tried the vive and I dont like it and the rift just didn't feel like enough of an upgrade
wild delta
Pimax?
vocal shard
Pimax is having issues with build quality i hear. They're making a new one out of metal
scarlet moss
Tbh I wouldn’t get Pimax I don’t know why
hardy seal
I want to try the device first and getting your hands on a climax is diffuse
Pimax* difficult*
iron kestrel
How good is a Lenovo with vrchat?
hardy seal
Autocorrect is wack
vocal shard
Good for what you pay for. Lenovo is my main headset
wild delta
Pimax is the frankenstein of VR
ruby burrow
I've always been curious about Paimax, but it's got that element of awkwardness about it, and also lacked any comprehensive package deal for the setup.
wild delta
It just always looked "unfinished" to me
scarlet moss
Yes
hardy seal
Every review I've found say it's not great
ruby burrow
To own one, I needed to already have a Vive. Once I had a Vive, it was a big extra purchase for just the headset alone.
vocal shard
One of the reviewers i saw said the seams didn't line up, and the plastic was super thin on his
scarlet moss
It could’ve of been the best VR’s out there by the looks but I think it was “rushed “
wild delta
They also probs didn't have the capital to buy said parts
ruby burrow
Also that too. Paimax just looks huge in how far it sticks out. Angular too. Not good for lounging in VRC, and not good for dancing.
scarlet moss
Well cya later guys it’s 00:14 for me so imma head off now and have my sleep bye
vocal shard
And the screen colours weren't really good. One took side by side shots of the pimax 5k+ and Oculus Go, and the Go looked way better and much darker blacks/colour contrast
wild delta
Night!
vocal shard
Cya
wild delta
Oh snap someone posted a pic of a suppose quest "launch date" from Best Buy
queen mango
I wouldn't generally trust info from big retail outlets.
Not the most reliable places, mind you..
vocal shard
I’m in need for a custom avatar if anyone can help me out 😦 💕
wild delta
Not a creator sadly :/
hidden lake
You just asked that a moment ago gelid. You have to find an artist to commission, it takes a long time to make avatars.
wild delta
Long time
hidden lake
If you want, I do take commissions and you can message me for rates
median basalt
@vocal shard stop spreading this chain letter
It's completely fake and you can't even mention everyone here
vocal shard
okey sorry
median basalt
I saw this chain letter literally two years ago lol
vocal shard
did not know
wild delta
lol
elfin cloak
oof
for an minute i tought that was true
boreal hedge
I remember when I made a message like that about myself and I got hundreds of messages and friend requests from people, was a wild one
hidden lake
I didn't even see, lol
vocal shard
a chain message?
elfin cloak
well
11 month's ago...
from some discord server i was have req from both from unknown use and i eccept it
and i saw horrible pile of meat with blood with satanic pentagram
and some politic shit
but i block that bot and i mute that server
so yeah noone smart enough will not accept some weird and unknown request
and everything will be just fine
vocal shard
thats scary
elfin cloak
i'm glad that you not experiance that cause you will fill wary scared and fill not confortable
queen mango
Best to just say those in the DMs. Witch hunting still ain't allowed here
unkempt cliff
Imaging optimizing stuff for Oculus Quest, couldn't be me lol
vocal shard
I'll definitely be making quest versions of my stuff 
I'm actually excited to try ^^
covert linden
I probably wont be unless I wanna meet some quest people
If I do itll be like my lbp modeel
hidden lake
i'll see, i have a couple models i could work with
vocal shard
You likely will. Popular worlds are likely going to be made compatible for both, so there will likely be quest users there even if you don't go looking for them
hidden lake
i saved all my topogun files in a super low subdiv format so i can always go up
covert linden
True, but if my model isnt quest safe, can I even join those instancez? @vocal shard
ruby burrow
I just opened up my avatars head in Blender. If I remove some pieces and decimate the hair, I can get it to 4800 polys, leaving me 200 left to make some kind of cardboard box body. '-'
ruby burrow
Both PC and Quest users can join the same instance of any world that has been published for both.
vocal shard
@covert linden yeah, your avatar will just be replaced with a default avatar tho
ruby burrow
The difference is that unless a PC users avatar has a Quest friendly version of it uploaded on the same ID, Quest users will only see some form of default avatar substitute.
Ironically Nikei is too high poly. ^ ^;
vocal shard
Lol
covert linden
Ah ok
My sackboy model should be good enough, probably not 5k polys though and ive only got the unity files so idk if I can decimate it
vocal shard
i think it's funny that in my quest parody video, I accidentally made an avatar that meets the requirements. But it just looks so bad because it was a quick decimation to 5k
vocal shard
ruby burrow
Oh oh, I just realised that my Monster Hunter 2 felyne model is already only 800 polys. No dy bones. Looks fine on basic shaders.
The perfect Quest avatar! 😄
covert linden
Ohh I could do a tales of graces charactee that ive got, its like 8k polys but thats an easy decimate to 5k
ruby burrow
covert linden
Can upload it behind my main avatar somehow right?
ruby burrow
I was just wondering about that. Would there be anything preventing you just using an entirely different avatar on the same ID?
Spare perhaps IK issues.
Well, perhaps I'll have some motivation to fix that Felyne avatar anyway.
I wonder if Quest users will be able to see full body tracking? Since that currently increases CPU load right?
languid beacon
steamvr just updated and i can't seem to use the buttons on my touch controllers
can't open the menu that would launch streamvr
oculus dash menu and stuff works
just nothing in steamvr
jolly torrent
do we have a community of tour guides/people who give tour guides? because I kinda wanna 👀
stoic halo
love how the pug suddenly doesnt work for me and im locked at 15 fps
covert linden
Y i k e s
stoic halo
dumbass shit,
literally every other world works fine
its literally always the fucking pug that is a shitty laggy mess
supple python
PSA: If your the odd AMD GPU user (I Have a vega 64) dont update your drivers 😄 VRC crashes GPU entirely on radeon 19.4.1
vocal shard
@supple python I literally wouldn't have known there was a GPU update if u didnt tell me lmao
vocal shard
im still on 19.1.1 lmao
supple python
😂
vocal shard
my PC just didnt get 19.2.2
supple python
Youll get some slight improvement on 19.2.2 but dont go past that
anyways, ill make an official report to VRC on it when I get the chance, but I gtg
vocal shard
ok bieeee
vocal shard
@supple python im good my guy. did the new AMD update and im fine af.
idle elm
Related Canny. I would love some upvotes:
https://vrchat.canny.io/bug-reports/p/when-a-world-is-updated-current-instances-become-unjoinable
(Note the issue is ancient, that post is from Nov. 2017)
pearl cave
a invsable user in mudder party spawinig random portal
cold quiver
oo, i made a feature request recently for the same issue https://vrchat.canny.io/feature-requests/p/instances-should-be-world-version-specific-or-employ-some-method-of-versioning they're aware of it but it'll probably be a while before they have a system in place to mitigate it i imagine
pearl cave
and the invise users is useing my friends name
modern sand
@pearl cave #moderation-reports
torn pelican
heavy bridge
@torn pelican I don't think AVPro has such capability. At any rate, the way YouTube is implemented in VRChat has security vulnerabilities (for it to work, it needs to broadcast your password as reusing a login cookie won't work. Either way, you need everyone to own the content and be logged in, or to use your credentials).
heavy bridge
And even with your credentials, there's concurrent viewing limits; everyone needs to download one at a time and not simultaneously.
And to make matters worse: 2FA and OAuth
stable pilot
want to buy friends
valid thistle
i just recently got a job at maccas, and am making money, ive got avive and have been wanting to get some vive trackers for a while now, anyone know a place to get somewhat cheap trackers in Australia
heavy bridge
@valid thistle There aren't much out there, most of my friends had to buy new.
valid thistle
damn, that sucks
heavy bridge
And yeah, $1100 is expensive for a Vive kit. AUD, ofc. (About $700-800 USD)
grizzled cloak
normal vive with 2 trackers i belive is ~600€
so its not that bad, but like, my pc is 600€ ;D!
well, not anymore since its kinda old but
heavy bridge
About the same (you guys pay less)
grizzled cloak
my pc would be vr ready but i have gtx 960 (4gb) instead of min requirement 970
heavy bridge
Oof, my laptop has a 1080 equivalent but the battery dies often (had to send it back like 5 times now) 😭
knotty ferry
does the mmd addons work with 2.8?
fathom bolt
I mean my laptop with an i7 5700hq and 2x gtx 965m does run VRChat pretty "ok". Reminder that it just uses one of them. Don't worry too much.
covert linden
@heavy bridge you should keep gaminng laptops plugged in at ALL timws
queen mango
^
covert linden
I literally never unplug mine, maybe for 30 minutes max in class
queen mango
Another note: Gaming performance is improved when plugged in
fathom bolt
Oh it has 2 gpus and it was a high end one. I just tried vrc once and it worked with 50% resolution and overclocked gpu.
48 fps on average
covert linden
I do vr wiith a 1050 laptop i7 7k, 90fps mainly, vr average 45ish
But even just doijg work on it it dies so faazssst
@fathom bolt 48fps in desktop or vr?
fathom bolt
vr vive pro with 50% resolution. Idk how bad it gets when many people join. I was In club void for a short time and it was playable.
a 960 should be ok. I mean mine was the mobile variant
fathom bolt
I set the ones on startup to minimum but It had no visible impact. the resolution did it.
covert linden
I mean via this ^ img above
fathom bolt
this is for optimus. I don't have it but sure set that to highperformance on an optimus laptop.
covert linden
Im on a laptop as well, I got shown that trick and was told itll boost my.performance
umbral reef
Only DesktopLow has big changes- So just set the unity launch option to that
grizzled cloak
i get 60fps without vr gtx960 & i5-4690k
default settings
well depends really but its "smooth" usually
covert linden
I was told it can boost me from 40fpa to 90fps in vr.. havent tested it though, but I wemt from.70fps in desktop to a constant 90 so if you can do it id suggest it
fathom bolt
honestly having 30 fps in vrchat is not as noticeable as for other games on desktop.
covert linden
I know but if that could boost it itd be worth it, no harm in trying?
fathom bolt
sure try it
covert linden
I run vr of ann intel 630 so It helped a lot
I meant you try it, ive done it and got abig boost
fathom bolt
No need. I got a 4k $ build at home. I just used the laptop to show it to someone else.
fathom bolt
hm I only get that in specific games. Skyrim was the worst one so far x)
only a 4k $ pc
covert linden
Im also really prone to headaches so it comes easier for me with stuff like that, but I can ride rollercoasters without nausea
4k is nothing
Thats only like
4 mnths of work..
;-; o no
covert linden
I get pajd a bit under 1k a month
Im trying to get a new job becausee this one mqkes me miserable
grizzled cloak
that's rough
covert linden
I may appply for a pc part store so that sounds fun
fathom bolt
r7 2700x, 64gb ddr4 3200 cl 14, 2x gtx1080, 2x 2TB SSD, 2x 2TB WD black HDDs, premium x370 mainboard and PSU, watercooled and a ton of rgb.
covert linden
Wth they got my dream system pretty mch for editing and animating and vr omgl
grizzled cloak
i might download more
covert linden
Im getting a 1660ti, 8gbram, ryzen 2600, and an ssd
fathom bolt
I upgraded the ryzen 1800x it was one of these samples that showed segfaults on linux under heavy load.
faulty cpu basically
grizzled cloak
i should do fine with my setup
but still 900 off vr-ready pc score
89.44 fps
avg¨
covert linden
@grizzled cloak thats not specs
grizzled cloak
i know
covert linden
Also you pay more for something only stickered vr ready, but since you get much fps its not a big deal, just you shouls take some time into learning specs if u havent
I did and realized my gaming laptop isnt impressive at all xX
stuck orbit
Okay, so are Vrchat still using outdatet unity or are they using the new version now?
rough pulsar
2017.4.15 is the unity version they're currently using.
ruby burrow
$4k is excessive for a VR ready PC unless you're doing something strange.
Oh wait, I mixed up who said that. Never mind.
But yeah, if you don't understand what the actual internals are it's very easy to get ripped off when buying a pre-built.
There are still good pre-builts, but lots of ones that are just either illogically built or are basically scams.
covert linden
@ruby burrow my cousin ordered one and it arrvided empty
Luckily she got a refund, and theyre sending one with.. actual parts..
light pilot
Oof
ruby burrow
Seriously? That's messed up. ._.
I'll have to give her the benefit of a doubt and assume she didn't just buy an expensive case. ^ ^;
covert linden
Yeah, my boyfriend was on call with her qnd hes like wheres the hdmi for the gpu, there was the cpus hdmi, but it wouldnt put display on the screen, so he made her open it up, thats when he realized it only had enough to turn on
ruby burrow
Ah
covert linden
Me and my boyfriend picked one out, so it was definately SUPPOSE to have more thna just a case
ruby burrow
There's been some videos around lately about some kind of Walmart "Gaming PC" that's been on sale, which is nothing more than a case filled with pointless flashy lights and the bare basics to power on.
Not a single piece of hardware worth using.
covert linden
Omg thats terrible
Theres tons on amazon that dont even list the specs
'GAMING PC must need!" Specs nowhere in existence like
brisk umbra
Sup guys back from my week break xD
ruby burrow
Hope you had a good time. : )
covert linden
We got her an rx580 with an i5 something, forget the exact model, nothing amazing but its vr ready with a limited budget
brisk umbra
It was good to take a break from vrchat and unity good to be back though 👍
woven steppe
how well would a GTX 1060 6GB run VR?
hardy seal
Well the Walmart PC itself is functional it has good GPU's and CPU but its overpriced because it uses a shit micro itx mobo and a stock cooler
ruby burrow
@woven steppe Pretty good.
covert linden
Probably well since I do good on a 1050 but vrchats cpu based
woven steppe
i7-3770?
covert linden
Should probably update that I think? Squishy?
ruby burrow
A 1060 will probably need replacing at some point when fancier games start coming out, but for now it should run everything well enough.
vocal shard
Hello
woven steppe
hi
covert linden
3770
vocal shard
i finally managed to save up enough money for a quest so i can play vrchat
ruby burrow
I'm not entirely sure to be honest. I've mention previously how I'm running everything on an i5-2500k, and that's doing the job.
vocal shard
i have a pc but it isnt powerful enough for vrchat, it has a 1050 ti so im just going for the quest instead
umbral reef
Just read up on how it works first- You will for example be not able to play with a large part of the community
brisk umbra
Nice I heard about the quest actually.. but I will stick with the rift
covert linden
@vocal shard a 1050ti is strong enough, I do it on just a 1050
ruby burrow
But you would be wanting to upgrade it all the same. At least certainly for VR-Chat.
median basalt
Buying a quest for VRC is a terrible idea
A 1050ti is more than capable of running the game
vocal shard
well there are other games i want for it
covert linden
Sounds like you could run vrc on ur pc today, you dont even need a vr headset
vocal shard
also the quest has a higher resolution and doesnt have any wires
median basalt
The higher res is inconsequential because the graphics quality is much worse in every other aspect.
umbral reef
2hour max battery life though, no details in games so back to the PS2 days and more
median basalt
The Quest pretty much only has a severely watered down version of VRC that is gonna be starved for content, it has Beat Saber (not sure if it has modding support). Beat Saber without modding isn't even worth buying
woven steppe
high res polygons
median basalt
And Robo Recall which is a tech demo, again watered down
glass totem
Rawr
vocal shard
rec room?
Anyone know why i keeps getting disconnected from a world while im playing in desktop
umbral reef
@median basalt No official moded support and with the recent ToS changes they will make it even worse to sideload content in.
ruby burrow
There's a reason why Oculus has denied the press any release of screenshots from the Quest yet.
vocal shard
@umbral reef buy a Desktop PC, for better gameplay
umbral reef
@ruby burrow https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=49gWbgp7Rwo&feature=youtu.be Watch this btw- The screen stuff in the trailer is worth it
covert linden
Why u atting oclac he has a pc
vocal shard
i saw that video earlier
ruby burrow
Ah, yeah, I did watch that when you posted it last night.
vocal shard
i7 6700
covert linden
You can also run vr look at that
vocal shard
please dont make fun of my massive bottleneck
covert linden
Why buy a quest for what your pc can do
vocal shard
You guys still talking about the Computer Tech huh?
because the quest has no wires and a higher resolution
umbral reef
Ow man just getting a 1660TI will make you totally able to get VR and eb future proof for future generations even wiht that
ruby burrow
The wireless aspect is the Quests best feature, but otherwise I strongly suspect it's going to make a lot of people regret not putting that money towards a full VR setup.
covert linden
Yes but all the games will look like ps2 games so its lower res in the end @vocal shard
high lodge
ruby burrow
An i7 6700 is easily enough for VR.
vocal shard
a lot of quest screenshots look pretty good
ruby burrow
Have you got a GPU Wally?
covert linden
For some aspect here, vrc models will be 5k polys not 70k, @vocal shard
vocal shard
@woven steppe Oh come on, everyone has a better PC or Laptop Gaming, nowadays i9 laptop already like a Desktop PC, can run VR
covert linden
And you cant play 90% of the existing vrc maps, tjey have to downgrade them hardcore for the quest,
umbral reef
@vocal shard All screenshots are in the best optimal conditions.
Keep that in mind- They wont show anything downgraded. But look up side to side comparison photo's/video's
vocal shard
do you have any you could link?
covert linden
5k poly avatars vs 70k is a big deql
ruby burrow
For reference of what VR-Chat on Quest needs to sacrifice to run. https://i.imgur.com/QTbhwai.png
vocal shard
the quest also has full 6dof out of the box, you dont need those cameras
mighty nest
Just buy both ¯_(ツ)_/¯
rough pulsar
Pretty much all PC VR has 6dof out of the box.
vocal shard
😴
ruby burrow
70k poly limit down to 5k. No avatar physics or dynamics of any kind. No avatar audio. Even world audio is restricted. Particles heavily restricted. No custom shaders.
You'll be stuck with either unlit or standard shading only.
rough pulsar
Standard isn't bad when used properly, just to say.
It's just a lot of avatars in vrc either use it wrong or just give up and go for flat-lit.
covert linden
Gaallium is rigght most headsets have 6d0f, especially the inside out tracking ones if you dont like lighthouses,
vocal shard
when the quest releases, a lot of people will be making their avatars and worlds optimized for the quest to get more people to join
ruby burrow
@vocal shard Practically every headset spare the default original Rift package has had 6dof. It's a vital feature in my eyes, but not a special one.
umbral reef
woven steppe
how does the lighthouseless VR sets track themselves? accelerometers and gyros? or do they scan the surroundings for relative movement?
rough pulsar
I can say for certain I personally couldn't give less of a shit about the quest, or optimizing content for it.
ruby burrow
@rough pulsar Yeah but they'll be sing Mobile Standard. Which is different.
vocal shard
that is an early screenshot
covert linden
I wont be optimizing for quest either, not a lot of people will, jusr some people
vocal shard
they said it looks better now
ruby burrow
You have to use specific variants if you want normal mapping, specular etc, and don't get them all at once.
covert linden
It cant look better its running on the same proccessor as your phone
covert linden
This dude must really like ps2 era but with vr
rough pulsar
@woven steppe Spinning lasers. Reset pulse is triggered when laser rotor at specific position, time delay between reset & laser sweep = laser angle on that sensor on device -> math hoodoo = position & rotation
covert linden
"Ive always wanted ps2 but with vr, dream come true!"
vocal shard
oculus said it looks more like wii/xbox 360
umbral reef
A game like beat saber will almost look the same.
But thats because of how 'basic' the game is already is. Will just have loads of small 'eye pleasing' stuff removed
ruby burrow
Lighthouse tracking works like this. https://youtu.be/J54dotTt7k0
rough pulsar
@woven steppe That happens around 60hz, also has IMUs that run around 240hz or so
ruby burrow
Multiple tiny sensors on the HMD+Controllers, and mounted laser boxes that those sensors detect.
covert linden
We are trying to save you from regret here, In previews quest showed there was visible lag and stuttering
vocal shard
its also going to be good for watching videos and movies because of the 6dof and good screens
covert linden
Ive always wanted to have spyro graphics on all my games
Most headsets have 6dof and good screens
ruby burrow
Oculus said it will run "Rift quality experiences" which is an outright blatant and utter lie.
A physical impossibility.
covert linden
Let me ask, isna goodscreen worth it if what its showing looks like a ps2 game?
umbral reef
You should not at all expect anything like modern VR on a quest. Think of the first demo's with VR more.
covert linden
Likke good resolution is NOTHING if the gsme looks like shit
vocal shard
its the best vr experience if you just have non graphically intense experiences
ruby burrow
Again, everything has 6dof.
vocal shard
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uqw7mF80ywk this for example
covert linden
Vrchat wont be vrchat
woven steppe
yeah but... I asked for lighthousless ones...
covert linden
Wmr
umbral reef
Again- Its a game trailer. Big odds its rendered and shot on a PC variant...
covert linden
A snapdragon 835? Cannot run anything like you think it will,
Maybe we will see some old ps2 spyro portss on it : D
ruby burrow
Yeah, if nothing else, it's crucial to understand that VR-Chat will simply not be VR-Chat on Quest.
covert linden
^
woven steppe
How does the ones that don't have a fixed component screwed to the wall or stood on the ground figure out how much and how quickly they move through 3D space.
Which is why my assumption was accelerometers and gyros or scanning the surroundings for relative movement.
ruby burrow
My head alone is over 5k poly, even if I replaced the body with a cardboard box.
vocal shard
remember the comparison video oculus made a while ago with dead and buried
rough pulsar
OH. @woven steppe Lighthouseless looked like a typo
It varies. Although in general any with cameras on use some sort of computer vision to do the tracking.
They build up a model of the play space by looking for features (points of contrast) and identifying them in another frame and can find the camera's position with that.
ruby burrow
And reducing the poly count on a head without either breaking it or sacrificing a lot, is not something that 99.9% of VRC users have the skills or inclination to do.
covert linden
^ true
woven steppe
oh they scan the surroundings and determine their own movement through that...
umbral reef
Again- It wont be nintendo mode. It will be more PS2 style.
What aint that bad- but FAR from PSVR really.
Its a mobile processor so its well.. what you can expect.
If you are playing for a while you wont really notice it, but with the limited games, being locked into a eco system hardcore, no future upgrades unlike with most other brands, its steep price for more space on the headset... Its not as good of a deal as oculus claims it to be
covert linden
I wont be. Considered it but im not going out of my way for something I dont have time to do
umbral reef
You are able to get a PC VR. So for your case its iffy to pick for a standalone headset with so many compromises...
vocal shard
ps2 graphics upscaled to hd look good anyway
covert linden
2 hour battery life lol
ruby burrow
There's plenty of games that will be fine enough on Quest, but it won't take long at all before people start noticing how all the best and biggest VR games are neither available nor possible on it.
covert linden
Tbey wont look as HD as you think
ruby burrow
Did he say if he has a GPU?
vocal shard
yes
umbral reef
Your not understanding the limits of the tech- Just wait for proper every day user revieuws happen and not from specially picked people for there product...
vocal shard
1050 ti
covert linden
ruby burrow
That's good enough then. I'm running a 960. (Which is worse)
covert linden
Thia video is only a joke but seriously-
umbral reef
Funfact- That jamie video aint too far off,,,
His ruined avatar is perfect for the quest version 😂
covert linden
He auto decimated it to 5k xD
woven steppe
I've seen that the 960 is the minimum for VR apparently
covert linden
Teechnically you can run vr on an intel.630
vocal shard
i also like to use it for watching movies so the high resolution will be good, also the 960 is more powerful than the 1050 ti
rough pulsar
You can get away with a lot lower depending on the VR application.
vocal shard
ok nevermind it is
rough pulsar
The 960 and 1050ti are about evenly matched
covert linden
@vocal shard you can watch movies on pc vr
rough pulsar
And there we have the results
Which is exactly what I said 🤣
ruby burrow
The 960 has slightly more "raw power" but the 1050ti is "smarter". It gets better actual FPS in nearly all games.
Otherwise very close though yes.
heavy dawn
Whoa, fast chat.
covert linden
The wmr hub has an awesme ability to run videos from your system, im sure otber vrs hqve similar things
vocal shard
someone get this man to the hospital, he is having a stroke
heavy dawn
Re: resolution - yeah I've been quite surprised how lower resolution model atlases can look pretty good if you're smart about how you UV-map
vocal shard
i know but it will be better on quest because of no wires and higher resolution
covert linden
2 hour battery life, make sure your movie isnt over 2 hr!
covert linden
Better screen in comparrison to what exactly?
It doesnt have a better screen than every single vr on the market, I highky doubt that but someone correct me if im wrong
vocal shard
also 2 hour battery life is only if you are constantly on graphics intense games constantly
ornate finch
rofl why is this conversation continuing
vocal shard
better screen than rift
ornate finch
i'm spotting wally
rough pulsar
I don't think you can charge the quest while using it because of heat issues.
covert linden
Theres other vrs, rift S, samsung odyssy
vocal shard
you can with the go
vocal shard
they are similar devices
woven steppe
and wear like 6 trackers
umbral reef
But for the quest counts
The faster the game the less shit it will look
Casual games, puzzle games and ect have to be specially made else they will look shit.
Battery life is a big drawback. The tracking is alrightish but there are loads of iffy cases.
The screen wont actually be better because of technicaly stuff, BUT its more clear.
Also a new libberarry for games that you cant port to other stuff (unlike VR headsets that can share or still use the same stuff after upgrades).
72 Hz refresh rate and the tracking not working good in barely lit rooms is also a thing.
And the fact the base moddel is 400 bucks while for more storage you need to pay more...
covert linden
Ty oclac ^-^
umbral reef
So far we know there is no way to slap a micro SD card onto it.
And the base 64GB will fill up fast...
So hope wifi works well with this stuff
covert linden
64gb in 2019- oh no
umbral reef
If it was 128 GB for the base model- Id have 0 worries about it.
But knowing from experience how people have storage problems on there phone and they also have atleast 64GB its well- something