So if i get quest i'll recieve movement freedom that i dreamed of while playing vr and i'll have no lag
#vrchat-general-2
sonic lily
umbral reef
The quest doesnt even allow most games to be played. Its a great pick if you dont want to try out games like Recroom and Vrchat
stone current
no its like choosing between an old used console and a gaming pc to play games on max graphics
sonic lily
I have only a gaming laptop which is like minimal vr compatibility
stone current
ok then get something better
plush cove
they should add support to old pcs in vrchat
stone current
no they shouldnt
sonic lily
Also my favourite games are announced on oculus quest
stone current
vrchat doesnt run on older pcs bc theyre old
umbral reef
@plush cove How?
stone current
pretty simple
vast tulip
People always forget how garbage the vive wands are. Sure, someday you can replace them with valve knuckles. But right now, Oculus is cheaper, and, has way better controllers vs vive wands
plush cove
so you can lower the graphics
stone current
obviously my like 1980s macintosh cant even run banjo kazooie
sonic lily
I mean maybe that's weird for others, but i really want free movement in vr
umbral reef
I think most people havent played with the vive wands long enough...
Because i like them tbh.
stone current
nobody said u cant mix vive and oculus or use other fullbody tracking alternatives
sonic lily
Oclac, me too
umbral reef
For VRchat? Not really. Any other game? Well yes please
plush cove
tape ur vr wires to ur roof
stone current
no
sonic lily
They are too big tho, but the buttons are comfy
vast tulip
I own both Oculus and vive. I really dislike most things about the vive, except it's screens
stone current
that would do literally nothing and limit ur movement even more
umbral reef
@plush cove So how would that work? Normally the devs themself build the world like 4 times for the settings. On Vrchat the users make ALL the content.
sonic lily
What if you have an oculus touch shaped controller but with vive buttons
stone current
dumb
if u like oculus controllers then buy an oculus
again nobody said u cant mix vive base stations and trackers
sonic lily
I like both
plush cove
i prefer the vive
stone current
or use nolo vr and other alternatives
plush cove
cuz it has FBT
stone current
r u dumb
sonic lily
wow u salty
plush cove
y?
umbral reef
I like the camera's as its an easier setup.
The cable feels more nice IMO.
Screen is better, allows addons.
The camera is handy in plenty of cases.
vast tulip
Touch pad is not good for movent. Vive was designed when the industry thought "no one will ever want classic smooth locomotion! It makes you sick!" Which isn't true at all
errant berry
You can do full body with Oculus
stone current
^^^^
errant berry
There are many options
plush cove
LISTEN
stone current
u can use nolovr, kinect, or vive stations/trackers mixed with another headset
vast tulip
Now it's a terrible control scheme for movent since all games are getting smooth
plush cove
i prefer the vive ok?
stone current
ok cool
umbral reef
That still applies only to Vrchat 🤷
A game like Gorn worked around it without a problem...
errant berry
You can pretty much mix and match your hardware
plush cove
i have only usb 2.0 on my pc
safe prism
i also generally prefer the vive
stone current
usb hubs exist
plush cove
It dosent transform 2.0 in 3.0
errant berry
You can prefer whatever you like. That's the whole point.
stone current
also again ur pc is probably 2 old 2 play anything especially in vr
safe prism
the controllers are whatever, the ecosystem makes me happy and i don't feel like doing weird hybrids
:D
sonic lily
Why don't you like touch pad
umbral reef
@errant berry If its Oculus with anything else your paying a big overhead performance hit.
If its SteamVr stuff you dont.
safe prism
i have both anyway tho /shrug
umbral reef
Also something to keep in mind.
plush cove
@stone current Thats why i am upgrading it
errant berry
I'm aware.
stone current
oculus touch is more comfortable imo and better for doing gestures
vast tulip
And yes, you don't need vive to do full body tracking with vive trackers
sonic lily
Omg, i feel like that weirdo that likes everything others dislike, and everyone just hates him
safe prism
people are allowed to have opinions
errant berry
I'm just saying you can do what you want really. There are always ways to make it work.
umbral reef
I got to use the oculus for 2 weeks from a friend.
Im happy i had my vive back 🤷
But i again, for VRchat it was way neater for sure.
plush cove
holdon how do you do gestures with the vive controllers?
stone current
its some overcomplicated thing where the touchpad is a selector
vocal shard
The touch pad. In a circle with your thumb
safe prism
you put your thumb down on the touchpad
vast tulip
You put your finger in an arbitrary spot on the touch pad
plush cove
Too much answers but thanks to all
safe prism
answer is the same
vast tulip
With Oculus, for the most part, using the default hand gestures, you actually do the gesture to do it
stone current
there are shortcuts but imo more immersive
umbral reef
OW! Talking about the hand gesture stuff.
Oclac as a non programing boy has to make a system where my hand gets tracked and applied to a robotic arm 👀
stone current
and they not 2 big
umbral reef
AR time boys!
vocal shard
Also, rift S is being unveiled at GDC in a few days. Wonder how that will be
plush cove
it would be cool to have the leap motion with vr chat
stone current
u can . .
plush cove
oh so it works?
stone current
but it doesnt track fingers independantly
plush cove
fux
stone current
still only uses the animations provided
vast tulip
If the rift s is the same price or cheaper then the current rift, I'll get it
stone current
also y r u 13 and wanting to spend like 800 pounds on vr immediately
umbral reef
I think they will make it a bit more expensive and just release the quest for cheaper
plush cove
well i have the money
stone current
no
plush cove
yes
vast tulip
No you can't do that yet, the valve knuckles will let you do that in the future
vocal shard
Same mimi
stone current
ur parents do *
umbral reef
And then push the prices down for the quest bigtime as they can make money of its closed eco system
And then treath the oculus-s as the current normal one
plush cove
no i do i swear
umbral reef
Where they want still market share VS profits.
plush cove
i am preserving them from 2016
stone current
for what college or vr lmao
umbral reef
Just build your own Vr stuff 😏
stone current
lol nintendo labo
vast tulip
Vr of course. Who, when 13, would ever care to save for college :p
stone current
lol
i 18 so i got into college liek 5 year after
but luckily i got the $$$$$$$$ saved up so tuition not costing me anything i havent saved yet
umbral reef
Its been 7 years since i started college and 3 since i finished it
umbral reef
I need to get more time for VR :c
stone current
pley vrcat wit me
vast tulip
@plush cove i suggest waiting anyways. Oculus is probably announcing a better pc hmd this week. If the rumors are true it will have a better display, probably matching the vive pro, and, I'm guessing it will be $300 or $350
umbral reef
Wont be able to upcoming weak
vast tulip
It won't be wireless
vocal shard
It's wired
vast tulip
Wireless isn't even ready in the vive. It's way too cpu intensive
Because they want to be competitive
vocal shard
They said something how they'd like to keep it cheap
umbral reef
Gl trying to get it sold
vast tulip
The normal Oculus is $350 right now
umbral reef
If everyone wants the new one no one will want to buy the old one
Unless you go dirt cheap
vast tulip
Don't sell anything until after it's announcement. You never know what will happen
stone current
if i put a bit cheaper than original oculus ppl prob buy bc rift s sell out
umbral reef
So?
It will be outdated hardware and odds are they are already mass producing the new one..
errant berry
Dang, calm yourselves
stone current
woof
errant berry
shares fried turkey eggs
stone current
wa
plush cove
Ok so i dont like the oculus
rough pulsar
Vive or Mixed Reality then ¯_(ツ)_/¯
vocal shard
Hi
stone current
henlo
vocal shard
I'm getting my GPU this week
languid beacon
> Oculus is probably announcing a better pc headset this week
that would be news to me, all I’ve heard is the Oculus Rift S will be a stripped down version of the Rift, not an upgrade.
vocal shard
Oow my back
languid beacon
Vive controllers are litterally the worst, but if you don’t want oculus it’s the only viable headset remaining. I wouldn’t wish WMR on anyone
median basalt
Vive is incredibly overpriced but the headset itself is decent
polar thistle
Uh
median basalt
Oculus seems like the best deal right now, full body tracking is kind of a meme due to how badly it works in this game
polar thistle
So
safe prism
but fbt is fuckin great tho
so like even if it's bad it's still the best thing i've ever done on my computer
rough pulsar
FBT is great if you're willing to spend $300 extra.
If you have other uses for three vive trackers it's less of a money sink.
languid beacon
Vive is a Good headset but worst controllers of the bunch. Oculus had billions of dollars of R&D and it shows as it’s insanely comfortable. WMR is just for people who want to get very cheap VR right now and later regret it and get a vive or oculus instead
median basalt
Oculus becomes less comfortable if you have longer hair
Unless you wear a ponytail apparently
languid beacon
Ah, yeah I have short hair. Works fine with my glasses though
opaque hawk
What about thick hair
languid beacon
problems I don’t have
heavy dawn
My bangs always get in my eyes because the foam just presses it down and into them. I don't even keep them that long.
median basalt
I have thick and medium length hair and the Oculus has some very serious issues remaining on my face like that.
When I get a haircut everything is completely fine again
umbral reef
Hairs in the foam :not like this:
I have loads of thin hair. Females would die for my style of hair. But it gets lose so often while I'm very and gets stuck...
safe prism
i have thick and ultra length hair and all HMDs don't really fit on my head or want to stay
queen mango
I have short clean-styled hair, so I would imagine the HMD would fit well for me if I ever tried one
languid beacon
Yeah long hair lets the straps glide around on your hair cushion instead of staying stationary
hardy seal
although i plan on upgrading later i dont regret my wmr it was $200 works well and now i know i like vr
vocal shard
The Samsung odyssey is a great wmr, I’d say it’s a viable option
vast tulip
@languid beacon rift s is supposed to have better screens, at least. Nothing stripped though, haven't heard that
I think it's the competition to the Vive pro, but, priced much cheaper, like the rift is
vocal shard
WMR is just for people who want to get very cheap VR right now and later regret it and get a vive or oculus instead
You'd be surprised how many messages I get on my review and here from people saying they switched to wmr from vive or rift and love it for the simplicity, and resolution bump. And visa versa, some going from wmr to rift/vive and loving that.
Like I always say, it's a matter of personal preference.
lunar shell
I almost got a Samsung but with no wireless option or FBT I got the Vive instead. I'm happy with it.
vocal shard
Awesome 
umbral reef
Tbh i think its more the stigma around it thats bad
But the same goes for anything VR related.
The vive controllers are bad but its not cry worthy, the oculus tracking is less, but unless you play really specific games you wont notice it at all...
umbral reef
Highly doubt it
covert linden
Ig supposedly will have a res boost
umbral reef
They need to change the tech into something more expensive
And its fine as it is
vast tulip
I've never had an issue with tracking on Oculus. People say it's bad, but it really isn't any different. I notice 0 difference between my Oculus and vive tracking
covert linden
The article I read says theyre changing the ik or whatever of the tracking but idk if that means better or not
languid beacon
I guess it wold be more fair to say WMR is for people who plan to have multiple headsets or already have one.
rough pulsar
As far as I know only WMR uses anything related to IK for tracking and that's for controller position estimation when outside the cameras fov.
covert linden
Ok its said to have insideout tracking
tacit plank
With vive I can steer those flying vehicles perfectly. Go really fast then touch somebodies nose with mine if I want. Vives tracking is really precise I feel
umbral reef
@vast tulip I know the tracking speed is limited compared with vive
The only game where you can notice the difference is with Super high level Beatsaber play
But the speeds are so insane there that SteamVr had to change things to allow vive to use all its camera power...
languid beacon
I feel like people are mixing up the rumors for Oculus Quest and Oculus Rift S
umbral reef
And as Caff said
Because it does an XY grid its a fair bit more precise when there is loads going on.
covert linden
Nope. I just pulled up the article I read frommmmmmm
Unless the article irself is misinformtation
But the rift s supposedly will be fully anounced tomorrow
rough pulsar
Quest uses inside out tracking, the rift s, who knows
covert linden
Nvm, gdc "next weed
umbral reef
Its best to follow Devs from game for VR news.
They get to try these things out o have to work around the product changes before they happen.
covert linden
Week*
umbral reef
News articles often get it wrong when it comes to VR from my own experience.
languid beacon
Yeah no official news that rift S has inside out tracking
vast tulip
@tacit plank there is no difference between those things on vive or Oculus
I have heard very good things about the inside out tracking on the quest though
covert linden
Im getting the wmr because itll run on my intel 630 until my pc is built
umbral reef
Unless i can properly get things behind my head with a headset its ano go for me
Im so used in games like superhot to grab guns behind my head without any problems at all
languid beacon
I can honestly say I see no difference between vive and oculus and vive tracking quality, when it’s working well.
When tracking isn’t working well, Oculus freezes in the air; while vive goes off into space.
umbral reef
And by now i cant live without it really...
covert linden
You can do roomscale with 2 oculus trackers
tacit plank
I see, thanks for informing me. I have only used Vive so I don't know how it compares, I just wanted to point out that I'm impressed by its tracking. (Fullbody seems to like to fly away though)
vast tulip
Well, except on the Oculus, you can actually point with your finger to point and poke
covert linden
So it wont loose tracking behind your head
vast tulip
When you put your hand behind your head, if you lose tracking, you really can't even tell. I have no clue if my current setup loses tracking behind my head because I can't see my hand :p
covert linden
I wouldnt be able to not have roomscale
vast tulip
In Oculus you don't fly away, it retains rotation too, when tracking is lost
Quest has room scale o:
umbral reef
@vast tulip When playing some action games you clearly can notice it
covert linden
Everything has roomscale doesnt it?
languid beacon
While this has nothing to do with hardware, I prefer Oculus store’s lag spike handling over steamvr’s black room solution
vast tulip
Unlimited room scale not bound by trackers!
umbral reef
I had a non 360 setup with my vive and often lost tracking fast behind me
Got annoying fast
vast tulip
Doesn't vive react different when you lose tracking?
covert linden
Oculus can do 2 tracker roomscale, I believe wmr can too but im not 100%, I just know my.friend had wmr roomscale
rough pulsar
WMR can handle a larger space than the Rift really
hardy seal
WMR tracking out in front is damn precise the only thing i dislike about is i cant put my hands down at my side
languid beacon
Vive and oculus act the same on steamvr when tracking is lost
umbral reef
It reacts worse then most others (floating hands)
But the same still applies.
vast tulip
From the people who have tried the quest at trade shows, the tracking is very good
hardy seal
they awkwardly hang out or bend forward
faint leaf
Guys, can someone hook me up with the pewdiepie skin? lol dm or @ me
vocal shard
I swing them at my side
languid beacon
That’s just what steamvr does it has nothing to do with the hardware
vast tulip
If you wore a laptop backpack, you can even get unlimited room scale! Maybe
umbral reef
@languid beacon Is that really a SteamVr thing? Never knew. Cool to know
hardy seal
but other than that its super good if you touch the controllers together they touch on the screen at the same time they bump every time
vast tulip
Point is, rift S is probably going to be quest for the pc with a higher resolution
languid beacon
It’s up to the game/app to interpolate a lack of data
covert linden
Ohh
rough pulsar
I've heard the WMR room model caps out around 10m square @vast tulip although it should only be limited by the PC's storage.
covert linden
I hopw sp, ill definaaaately be getting the rift s when it comes out
vast tulip
Same. I really hope the rumors are true :p
My cable is dying so I can put that $50 towards a rift s!
umbral reef
Also- I only just realized with the Vive that there is a free USB3.0 spot inside the headset
So you can just yeet in a usb mic without needing a jackplug
languid beacon
I have Rift, touch, 3 vive trackers, and 2 vive base stations. I may pass on Rift S and go for vive pro eye and knuckles and just be full vive
rough pulsar
Yup. You do need to use a USB 3 cable from the linkbox to the PC though I believe
covert linden
Im buying a wmr.then giving ir away to a friend when I ger my pc but ill probably sell my current rift
umbral reef
@rough pulsar well you already use that one just need to have a big bandwith
umbral reef
Is it a fake? 💤
rough pulsar
it lacks the additional pins for 3
languid beacon
Just avoiding vive until those wands aren’t part of the details
vast tulip
Yeah, i didn't really try my vive much until I got my knuckles
rough pulsar
The vive cable doesn't have the additional pins for 3 either so even if the port had it it'd be running in 2 mode anyway.
vast tulip
It's 100 times better with the knuckles. My only issue now with vive is it's very uncomfortable to me
hardy seal
i wonder how many people got their naughty bits stuck in a vive wand hole
languid beacon
Is there a ballpark for how much consumer knuckles will be
vast tulip
I can wear my rift for 8+ hours with 0 issues. I'm already hurting and uncomfortable after 20 mins on vive
covert linden
EWW
languid beacon
Ooowwwch
umbral reef
@rough pulsar Know by any odds if the pro does then?
Else im highly amazed it already works this good with the camera and all
languid beacon
Yeah I’ve spent literally all day (10+ hours) with my rift on. Comfort is the #1 reason I recommend it to people, both the headset and the controllers are basically invisible you forget they are there and you can just escape
rough pulsar
The only thing with the vive is it can encounter minor problems if used with usb ports not properly up to spec
covert linden
I wish I could hook the oculus controllers up to my ps3 and play spyro with them theyre that good
umbral reef
Well proper bandwith management is really important for VR
vast tulip
I agree as well. If my vive was comfortable, i did like the screens more, so I would use it. But it really isn't
umbral reef
Its legit often better for oculus users to use a 3.0 and a 2.0 port instead of just there 3.0 ones because of how things are wired...
languid beacon
Knuckles look even better but vive headset itself worries me
vast tulip
I have deluxe audio strap too btw, so, it's not that
covert linden
Im sticking with oculus forever
rough pulsar
The Pro is usb 3 A from PC to link box, and a USB C accessory port on the HMD
languid beacon
I may just go Rift + knuckles + pucks >_>
umbral reef
Hmm interesting
covert linden
Im sticking with my rift, roomscale
vast tulip
I have no loyalty to Oculus. I actually really hate the company and face book, but, the device is just way too comfy to not use it
rough pulsar
I'd consider the rift if it wasn't facebook behind it. They cannot be trusted in any way and have proven it time and time again.
covert linden
Yeah, the company is whatever but im all for comfort
umbral reef
Tbh id rather use WMR then facebookVR 🤷
vast tulip
@rough pulsar Facebook vs some Chinese company :p which one is spying on you more?!
languid beacon
Yeah I have never had a Facebook account and I strongly dislike the company but hot dang they put 2 billion into vr R&D and made a comfortable thing I’m gonna benefit off that
umbral reef
Facebook
As its in there ToS all clear and open
rough pulsar
It's Facebook @vast tulip There's years of documented evidence that they're spying on everyone possible.
covert linden
They can spy on me acting like a weeb its ok
vast tulip
So are those Chinese smart phones
umbral reef
Vive has some dumb ToS rules
Almost all WMR are totally fine really
Oculus is on Facebook app's level of wanting to know everything
rough pulsar
@vast tulip You have to go out and buy one of those phones to have your data harvested. FB do it to anyone around the internet through those fucking 👍 like buttons and the only way to opt out is to block every single one of their servers, and even that doesn't stop what they do entirely.
languid beacon
Goin from oculus to vive hardware, even though it’s technologically superior, just feels sloppy. It’s like a pc vs mac thing.
Pc is better but messy and ugly
rough pulsar
FB know my phone number and who my friends are.
I never gave them that info, they scraped that out of my friend's address books, often without their knowledge.
umbral reef
@rough pulsar One pixel trackers 👏
vast tulip
Either way, you have a device with a mic and camera. A real camera, unlike the Oculus ir cammeras. I would be much more worried about htc spying at that point
umbral reef
And lets not talk about google
I sold my soul to them and cant talk bad without losing my Google maps good boy points :c
rough pulsar
We're getting a bit off track here, but FB go so much further than any old chinese phone company that it's not even fair to compare the two.
umbral reef
@vast tulip Oculus camera's are real camera's
They just need a update to work like that what has been done before
median basalt
Missed opportunity to not allow the Quest to be connected to a PC IMO.
Like the Switch except for VR
languid beacon
Yeah it’s common knowledge oculus sensors are just black and white webcams
vast tulip
@median basalt i agree, but, i think rift s is better because it will weigh less
median basalt
Yeah
I just hope some newer and cheaper headsets that are at least on par with the Rift/Vive will come out soon
Because they're really pushing higher resolutions right now with a price tag to match
vast tulip
Which, if the rumors are true, rift s is quest for pc, with a higher resolution and no internal computer parts
sonic verge
its 2019 and still encountering script kiddies in vrc, holy
vocal shard
^^
safe prism
owo
languid beacon
Hm. Sounds to me like a “PC Quest” would not work with vive body trackers as well though due to lack of absolute reference points
vocal shard
People already use vive fbt with wmr, and rift s if it has inside out is supposed to be more accurate than that
languid beacon
Interesting. How is WMR + pucks? In my head the drift would be terrible
vocal shard
I have a friend i thought was using full vive the whole time. Turned out it was wmr+ pucks.
The tracking from the headset wich is the main reference point is really solid
languid beacon
I’m suprised oculus and vive works as well as it does with the occasional drift after days
Weird I thought vrc makes hips the reference point in fbt
vocal shard
The hips are the root bone for vrc, yeah. But for the location of the trackers, it just needs to have both playsplaces of the systems synced. The headset knowing its location and getting more accurate every time it's used, and the lighthouse keeping the trackers consistent makes it hold pretty well. Still obviously some callibration needed as with any mixed setup
languid beacon
Oddly enough oculus+vive drift is only translational. There’s never any rotational drift.
No idea what causes it
vast tulip
Oculus room setup is all about the guardian. If you don't use that you don't even need to do a setup. I've, many times, taken my Oculus and laptop somewhere, plopped my cameras randomly and just played
I don't use guardian either. I find it annoying :p
languid beacon
Yeah it comes into play when you have a vive playspace to blindly sync up to
hardy seal
just imagining mimi playing vrc in the middle of a store
languid beacon
Then you see exactly how much oculus floats around in its own world
vast tulip
I played in my friends back yard when I was locked out, once
rough pulsar
@languid beacon My guess is because the rotational alignment is done partially via the IMUs.
languid beacon
Would be Scared to take/use even a portable vr headset outside due to all the talk of near-instant sun damage
faint leaf
Guys, how good is oculus rift compared to mobile vr? Wanted to test vr and it worked pretty well but i saw the edges so it didnt really feel like i was in the game, more like that i was looking at a 3d screen. How does it look when wearing a proper headset?
rigid crescent
Look up your water shader lol
faint leaf
I have tried searching but i cant really find a proper answer, only the tracking bla bla i know that but i want to know about visual quality with the screen and stuff
rigid crescent
Knoz you can try to find a store to do a VR test. You can look them up on the Oculus store I think under demos
But phone VR and "real" VR are worlds apart
faint leaf
Does it actually feel like you are in game? Do you really see the edges of the screen as much? Bc as i said, when i used mobile vr with vrchat it was 3d and all but it felt like i was in a dark room looking at a box screen
And i live in sweden so i dont rly know any places to test vr at
urban jasper
as long as you aren't out in the middle of nowhere you can probably find a demo kiosk or somesuch
I got lucky in that regard. Nearby shopping mall had a Rift set up as a demo unit, and a friend of mine had a Vive
faint leaf
My friends are poor, and yeah ive been to big places and have not found a vr kiosk. So yeah thats why im asking:)
urban jasper
Well, I have a Rift, and the screen takes up almost my entire field of view. It's still obvious you're wearing a headset, but it's no worse than, say, wearing a full-face motorcycle helmet
gloomy socket
hello
urban jasper
Hi there
gloomy socket
good day today
urban jasper
I haven't used any mobile VR stuff since my phone is a cheap thing and doesn't support it
stoic halo
vrchat literally crashed so hard my. network drivers crashed
urban jasper
damn
drowsy nest
hey guys I need help with my avatar. So the problem is the eyes, in unity they're fine but in the game they pop out of their sockets and im pretty new to this so I'd appreaciate any help
i'm not sure I know what you're talking about...
I have bones on the eyes
it's the neikkei model
I'm not sure I downloaded it and made the head bigger
so I dont need the bones for the eyes?
it looks fine in unity and blender
but that's the point I was trying to make his head bigger for comedic effect
wait so I dont need the eye bones?
@ornate pawn
oh I dont even know how to do those
is there a proper way to resize
?
because I got in pose mode and resize there
rigid crescent
oh, you made it a shape key that's probably why
drowsy nest
?
drowsy nest
yes
north flare
ok thank you
drowsy nest
@rigid crescent can i pass you the fbx?
stoic halo
What an amazingly optomized game
i bluescreened just now after 30 minutes after crashing
odd oak
Oof
rigid crescent
well i already said you did it with a shape key, just resize the head normally
drowsy nest
by selecting the vertices not the resizing the bones correct?
languid beacon
@faint leaf in my opinion Oculus Rift is the most immersive headset. While things like vive pro offer sharper resolution, Oculus is the easiest headset to just forget that you’re even in VR.
It’s the one I recommend for extra long sessions
odd oak
I agree
I spent 12 hours in vrchat Yesterday and thé Oculus is definately more comfortable than vive
urban jasper
I also found the Rift more comfortable to wear, primarily because it feels lighter than the Vive
timber swan
controllers are a massive improvement too
odd oak
Indeed
timber swan
very ergonomic
urban jasper
Yeah, the Rift's controllers are hands-down better than the Vive's
timber swan
love the fact i can let go and have the controller still on my hand as long as it’s in the loop
odd oak
The tracking is not bad also regardless of what peopel say
urban jasper
The only thing I would change about the Rift controllers is have them actually secured to my hands instead of held on by a lanyard
timber swan
yeah it really isn’t
odd oak
Yee
urban jasper
The tracking, in my experience, has been fine for the most part
timber swan
there’s the knuckle controllers
urban jasper
Yeah, i want those. Bad.
timber swan
same here
odd oak
True buy they are not out yet
urban jasper
Soon though.
urban jasper
The only major ding I have against the Rift is that it eats USB3.0 ports for breakfast
odd oak
True
timber swan
really?
urban jasper
You need AT LEAST 3, plus an open HDMI. And if you don't have 3 USB3.0 you're kinda outta luck.
odd oak
Yee
languid beacon
I plan to replace my touch controllers with knuckles but keep using my rift since I already have the stations for legs anyway
heavy dawn
How does the vive manage off one 3.0 port?
urban jasper
The sensors are in the headset I think
rigid crescent
the cameras aren't plugged in, sensors in the hmd
heavy dawn
Guess it's about timing.
odd oak
Amazing for dancing Shuffle. Thé full body uses dongles for each tracker though
urban jasper
That's not that big of a deal though. I've seen them and they're pretty small
urban jasper
The Rift and Vive base package are the same price. $349 USD
Both come with everything you need to get started. The Rift even comes with free games
odd oak
Yee but then ifwith Oculus you need to but base stations and then 3 trackers
About 600£ total
languid beacon
If you asked me how oculus plus Vive full body is two weeks ago, I would’ve said the tracking is perfect but the set up is really annoying however recently a openVR app was added that makes it pretty much identical to a full Vive set up, both in ease-of-use and tracking quality.. price though... you pay an extra 260 In order to get vive base stations that would have come with a vive
vocal shard
Hip
urban jasper
Oh, right. That makes sense.
vocal shard
The hip becomes the root bone with full body
stoic halo
tfw some random group of people try to vote kick you out of no where
im just walking around what'd i do to you 🤷
urban jasper
the hip bone's connected to the root bone, the root bone's connected to the arm bone, the arm bone's connected to my wristwatch....eh?
odd oak
Haha
urban jasper
😄
odd oak
It took me a moment to get that but that is the funnyest thing i Heard all eveni g
urban jasper
The other main negative thing I have to say about the Rift is the external sensors themselves.. if they get bumped or knocked over or accidentally moved, you have to recalibrate them
odd oak
True
urban jasper
so I suggest securing them to something where they won't move.
odd oak
I kicked one more early today while dancing and it made my vision flip
urban jasper
Those stupid little pedestals they come with aren't ideal. Fortunately there are solutions out there for that.
odd oak
True
urban jasper
I've seen wall mounts on Amazon that aren't expensive
and if that's not your think, there's always duct tape.
odd oak
True. I have ond on the top of my projector and another on the floor Opposite for thé Oculus trackers
urban jasper
I currently have my sensors on my computer desk, sort of pointing toward a central point in the room
odd oak
Oké
urban jasper
Not an ideal setup, but it works great as long as I'm facing GENERALLY forward.
odd oak
Fair enough. I use full room scale allway as i have never got seated mode to work so After 16 hours my legs are hurting especially is 6 hours of that was dancing
urban jasper
It gets really confused if I turn around. Which is fine since then the cord tries to wrap around my neck and strangle me (They sell a boom to keep the cables out of the way, which I will eventually also buy)
odd oak
Ohh the boom sounds great! It may stop accidental câble yeeting-out happenings
urban jasper
It should, yeah. Just make sure you have adequate ceiling clearance.
odd oak
Oh. Good point
urban jasper
You'll probably want it about a foot above your head
Unless you're freakisly tall, you should be fine in even an 8-foot ceiling
odd oak
I think my ceilling is at 2,6 mètres but i am 176cm tall so i should be oké
urban jasper
Yeah. My ceiling is about the same height and I'm a little taller than you and I still have plenty of room above my head
odd oak
Actually my ceilling is probably less than 2,6 as that seems far too tall.
urban jasper
You'll want enough slack coming out of the boom that you can kneel down, so probably a bit over a meter
odd oak
Yee true
urban jasper
unless you're going to be playing shooters like Pavlov where you might have to go prone
in which case you'll want enough slack to hit the floor
odd oak
Ye true. I Will look into it
urban jasper
(if you're doing that though, I'd strongly recommend a wireless adapter, which I know they make for the Vive. Not sure about the Rift)
odd oak
Yee true but then batteries. I am not sure they will last long enough for me
odd oak
Me neither. I think about 3 to 6 hours
urban jasper
Enough for a casual player, but not for you.
odd oak
Indeed. I spend about double that on weekends After work
urban jasper
That said, with a little jerry-rigging you could probably expand that battery.
If it charges via microUSB, you can pick up one of those USB power banks.
Depending on the size, you could add several hours of playing time
odd oak
True but my knowledge of this stuff is limited. All i did was put 2550 milliamp batteries into m'y touch controllers
True
urban jasper
The good news is those power banks are CHEAP
I got a 3000mAh battery for around $15 USD
odd oak
Nice! Mine are Just An AA battery in of 2550 mah in each hand xontroller
urban jasper
Quick Amazon search shows a 25,000mAh power bank for sale for $33 USD
odd oak
!?
urban jasper
I told you, these things are cheap
urban jasper
There's no setup. It's just a battery pack. Plug it in to charge it, plug a cable in to use it.
The only caveat is since these are lithium batteries, you should make sure the battery is nearly depleted before charging it
odd oak
Oh oké. That is good. And not do good
odd oak
Oké and yes very much thankyou
urban jasper
Any time.
odd oak
Yee. You are another one of these Nice VRChat users
timber swan
33? that’s a crazy price for how much mAh you’re given
odd oak
Restoring my faith in humanity
timber swan
i might buy that
timber swan
nice vrchat users make me very happy
urban jasper
I try to be nice to everyone, until they give me a reason not to be
vocal shard
odd oak
@urban jasper thankyou for your help and goodnight. It has been Nice to talk with you!
timber swan
that’s a good mindset to have lucky
urban jasper
You too. Glad I could help
timber swan
i like that
odd oak
@urban jasper would you mind if i sent you a Friend request on discord?
urban jasper
Nah man, go for it
odd oak
Thabkyou. I ennoyed thé conversation
timber swan
does anyone know of other worlds that are fairly popular, other than pug, box, open mic, and presentation room? i’m trying to experience other worlds without them being completely barren
urban jasper
Well there's the Volt club, that's gotten popular in a hurry
timber swan
those 4 worlds are the main source of obnoxious avatars as well
i’m looking for more of a calm world, although i do like volt when i’m looking to dance
odd oak
True but buggy. I go sleep now all as it is 0200 for me. Goodnight and Nice to speak with you all
urban jasper
hm, let me think
odd oak
Thre is a japenses shrine
urban jasper
The thing is in VRChat there are SO MANY worlds, people tend to get spread pretty thin
timber swan
goodnight bobby!
timber swan
sleep well
urban jasper
There's an avatar world called Verhack that seems fairly popular, and it's a kind of chill place
rigid prism
hellooo, u guys know if using VR, i can put discord in hand, like streamers do with their twitch chat? :p
timber swan
oh i’ve seen that, never been to it
urban jasper
it has some nice-looking avatars too (that are poorly optimized, fair warning)
timber swan
oh that’s dope
urban jasper
@rigid prism Never occurred to me to try.
timber swan
i would like to know that as well, i don’t even know how it works with twitch tho
urban jasper
Yeah I have no idea how that works.
timber swan
let me know if you find out possari
urban jasper
Please. Something like that would be really useful
rigid prism
ye, i was looking 4 it... cz it's a pain in the a** to alt tab when with oculus xD
urban jasper
You ain't just whistlin' Dixie
rigid prism
ok i will @timber swan
vocal shard
There's a program called ovr drop where you can put any desktop window in your vr game or attach it to your hand. It does work for discord too
timber swan
seriously, it would be very convenient
rigid prism
@vocal shard ohhh nice
urban jasper
Cool!
vocal shard
That's what some streamers use for twitch
languid beacon
@urban jasper Unless you use your guardian, you really don't need to run the calibration. It auto calibrates, the only reason you need a manual calibration is to make sure the guardian outline is accurate.
timber swan
does it require a setup or is it just a plug and play?
urban jasper
@languid beacon Ah, okay. I do use the guardian because there are obstacles just outside my play space.
languid beacon
yeah i keep mine off so i can just move the sensors around whenever
vocal shard
It costs a bit on steam. It by default just sits in front of you, and the you can set it up how you want and save a profile. After that it's basically plug and play on startup
urban jasper
Sweet. Thanks!
languid beacon
If you don't need to specifically attach things to your hand, oculus dash can pin windows in world-space
timber swan
oh i see, i might check it out. thanks for the info!
rigid prism
nice info ty ❤
timber swan
i’ve been getting more into vrchat recently, ever since i got a headset a week ago so all this info really helps
i’m gonna try to see how to make a custom avatar
i’ve always been interested in that since i started vrchat
urban jasper
If you don't have experience 3D modeling, I can recommend a program called VRoid Studio. You can get it on Pixiv's website. It's an easy avatar creator app
I've been screwing around with it for a little while now. The app does all the hard work for you and starts you off with a human character model that you can then adjust to your liking with a bunch of sliders.
Out of the box options for things like clothing and accessories are limited, but you can get more stuff from pixiv's store and import it
The app itself is free.
timber swan
that’s very cool! i really appreciate that, the 3d modeling from scratch seemed quite daunting
urban jasper
The site is in Japanese, but the program does support English
just search VRoid Studio on Google, and translate the page to English, you'll find it quick
urban jasper
No, it's more of an anime style
timber swan
alright good, i’m not a fan of the style vrchat has, their heads are quite large
can you add emotes on to the avatars there as well?
or does that require you to export it to a modeling software
urban jasper
No, the program doesn't do the rigging for you.
Once you create the model, you'll import it into Unity, and from there you can rig it, set the camera, etc.
There's tutorials for how to do that on VRChat's site
Importing an avatar isn't quite as simple as drag-and-drop, but it's not TOO hard.
timber swan
awesome, i really appreciate the information! i’m going to get started on making my own avatar once i get home
you’ve been very helpful
urban jasper
Glad to help
timber swan
happy to see that this discord has nice people, wasn’t expecting it in all honesty
urban jasper
If you have any further questions on the process though, you're probably better off looking at the tutorials VRChat and Unity provide. I'm still learning a lot of this stuff myself.
timber swan
but vrchat’s community does have gems in it, love those people
ill be sure to do so, i’m pretty good at capturing info from tutorials
urban jasper
I figure someone here was nice enough to help me, so I try to help others.
timber swan
love it
vocal shard
Awesome 
urban jasper
Plus, I was a major asshole when I was younger and it's a time in my life I'm not proud of.
timber swan
i feel that
cerulean loom
Is anyone else having the problem where they keep disconnecting back to their homeworld?
urban jasper
can't say that's happened to me
gaunt river
So I have been having this problem where it takes me a very long time to load into worlds even if they are really small it takes a long time and now I keep crashing but it’s not a full crash it only sends me back to my home I have tried to restart vrchat and my computer but nothing seems to be working I was being to think it was my WiFi but nothing else is getting affected it’s only vrchat can anyone help me?
steel plume
just finished doing 18 hours in VRChat. Vive with full body tracking ... only one 30 minute break for lunch and one bathroom break outside of that.
rigid crescent
true dedication 👏
sonic lily
hi
subtle prawn
Populated worlds
sonic lily
What's a populated world
vocal shard
I always find that people are very cliquey in the more popular places
odd oak
The pug can be a good place to look. I have met some really nice people there
sonic lily
people don't talk to me D=
idk what to do ...
I'll watch a video of someone, maybe i'll find something out
sonic verge
im pretty sure most people know by now im pretty much at nier automata public instances all the time
valid marsh
Morning
signal sequoia
good morning
I use M50X headphones with my VR HMD (Lenovo Explorer) and I was wondering if the ModMic 5 was worth it as a microphone
I currently use my desktop microphone (NW-700) and I need to stand close to the PC so my voice can be heard
vocal shard
I've heard good things about it. I use a cheaper lapel mic attached to the bottom of my Lenovo
vocal shard
Yeah, you can get a combo headset. But for him, he's already using M50x audio Technica headphones. So attaching a mic is probably worth it for him
Modmic 5 in itself is $100
signal sequoia
I found it for $70 online, with the mute switch and all. Also found the ModMic 4 as well, but some people say it has static if your sound card isnt good (I don't know how it would be with the Lenovo Explorer)
vocal shard
Ah, cool
ruby needle
the modmic needs a plug in power capable soundcard.
faint leaf
How long does it take to get verified?
stone current
until u get verified is how long it takes
winged igloo
Verified for what?
languid beacon
How do you keep trackers charged? @steel plume
steel plume
@languid beacon I plug them in while wearing them. Usually when I'm planning on just sitting around and doing nothing. In the future I intend to keep them plugged in by way of a "VR suit" and power hub that has the power cable loomed with the HMD cable.
languid beacon
Good to know the vive can be worn long-term. I keep hearing it gets uncomfortable
Which makes me scared to switch from rift
meager solstice
I’ve used my friends vive, it’s not to uncomfortable. They fixed the weight problem the vive use to have so now it’s about the same as oculus just a bit heavier but not to much heavy. I plan on making the switch to vive once the knuckle controllers come out
languid beacon
I already have base stations for trackers so I’ve thought about just getting knuckles but still using rift
Dunno if that would work
@faint leaf Two requirements: 1.) be a VRChat account, not a Steam or Oculus account. 2.) Play the game without being reported/blocked for a few days, explore around. make some friends. There is no set time limit. Basically whenever the system is sure you aren’t a troll.
Can take longer if you’ve been blocked or votekicked etc
median basalt
Which also means avoid using annoying avatars
If you're a visitor spamming obnoxious audio and zoom you will get blocked entirely
languid beacon
I’ve seen people go from visitor to new user in under 8 hours.
median basalt
Yeah, visitor to User is generally very fast
snow zodiac
vocal shard
I talked about this in lobby but wanted to say it here. I did my first podcast where we talk alot about vr and anime. I posted it in #vrchat-videos Let me know if you guys have any feedback please!
woven olive
i finally got the game
languid beacon
When everyone says oculus is gonna announce a new headset today and it turns out the announcement is just beat saber confirmed for Quest. 👌
violet imp
Hey just a quick question how good of a computer you need to run Vrchat in vrheadset and all that?
heavy dawn
Not much actually EF. Just something with a high clock speed. GPU almost doesn't matter. D:
umbral reef
No mod support beatsaber probally even :c
violet imp
Well if im thinking to get an gaming laptop for school can i play vrchat with an vrheadset and all that? (it has geforcegtx 1060, and an i5-8300H)
umbral reef
Do your research well for Headsets and laptops
There are loads of 'vr ready' laptops that dont have the right motherboard and connections what means the headset will not work.
violet imp
Im kinda new to vrchat and all that.
I don't really know alot of things, also kinda new with computers.
because my childhood didn't get any electronics.
heavy dawn
EF that sounds pretty good but Kai is right. Read up on it.
viscid seal
@languid beacon they will be talking about Rift S though 😛
violet imp
Alrighty, well thanks for the info and all that. ill try to look for something soon, just gonna get a powernap.
spring sparrow
anyone playing apex legends? down to join up
vocal shard
whats that little creature called? Black, white eyes, big ears
languid beacon
I know the one you mean, has a public world, no clue what it’s called
vocal shard
spirits?
atomic jewel
Are there a way that i can see when my VRChat account was created?
ionic ivy
ok, uhm. Can I dare make a question that may sound dumb?
sometimes, when I'm in other worlds, I get randomly brought back to my home
is it normal? is it a connection problem? orrr
because this is like the 5th time that it happens and I can't understand why
urban jasper
It hasn't happened to me, but you're not the only person who's brought it up
I don't know what's causing it, unfortunately.
regal furnace
at least your game is not randomly closing
raw timber
i dont think its normal, try restarting the game, if that doesnt work, the device, the network, etc.
for Sam^
open trellis
umbral reef
If your asking for someone else to make you an VRchat account i highly suggest you stop it
Fairly sure its against the ToS (the rules what can result in a ban), your account wont be safe then because you did not make it and you can just do it yourself.
languid beacon
I’m just here secretly hoping somehow VRChat will be announced for Quest.
vocal shard
Against all expectations, it would be really awesome
languid beacon
I love beat saber but something like vrchat is what will push standalone headsets, it needs to happen
vocal shard
Yeah
In all honesty, i think the quest is exactly what vr needs to become more mainstream. But it needs good long lasting titles
odd lava
Standalone HMDs are useless for me, just like mobile gaming 🤷
If someone thinks anything of quality will work on snapdragon 845 😂
vocal shard
It's not really for us though. For the general consumer. Not vr enthusiast
odd lava
you can as well buy Nintendo LABO VR 😂
vocal shard
It has beat saber as a lunch title. That's still something of quality... Or at least a solid game
queen mango
Not my type
languid beacon
I think it’s important to separate the concept of a stand alone headset from the specific specs of the Oculus Quest. The quest might not be powerful enough for you, that does not mean the concept of stand alone headsets isn’t the best future
queen mango
Broke, but still want a VR headset..
odd lava
I think you missed the point when we need 150 W cpu and 3 slot GPU to run high end graphics 😛
languid beacon
I do fine on my 6 year old gpu. Heck the quest is probably faster
queen mango
Hmm.. 6 yo GPU? A GTX 970?
languid beacon
Yep
odd lava
Snapdragon 845 16.6 GFLOPS = GeForce GTX 460 low end GPU from 2010
languid beacon
Seems to run beat saber fine
odd lava
Architecture improvemtns etc probably strill it is same as nintendo switch
more or less
vocal shard
It's more powerful than the gpu used in the switch. But it's mainly how the game is designed
sonic lily
Actually i don't have a very powerful PC, in fact i have a gaming laptop which is like the minimum you could have to play in vr, i also don't have much space in my room, nowhere to put the base stations, and since i have a laptop i can't use vive wireless adapter and wires are sooooo stupid
vocal shard
But what are you planning to play on the quest... Because you'll still be giving up most vive games
sonic lily
btw some of my fav games are already announced on quest and i found some new awesome ones on the internet
languid beacon
Adam, Quest can’t play VRChat. If you are ok with the games announced for quest, go for it, but don’t expect to play anything that hasn’t been announced for it yet
vocal shard
So you'll just go to vrchat on desktop?
sonic lily
I never even played vrchat on vive
i downloaded it yesterday
or the day before yesterday idk
heavy dawn
I didn't know what the Quest was so I looked it up and the commercial is PAINFUL
queen mango
Another Desktop user.. but are you sure you're going Oculus Quest?
There are a lot of VR games for Oculus, Vive and WMR like SUPERHOT VR
heavy dawn
www.youtube .com/watch?v=4AvXOlcFmPU
languid beacon
The teaser trailer is super dumb but in their defense the Vive Cosmos trailer is even dumber
sonic lily
omg
that trailer is sooooo bad
it's like wii u
Check the other one
it has a bunch of phones drop down
vocal shard
I'm excited to see the rift S tho.
heavy dawn
Adeon: I bet it is
umbral reef
@languid beacon it was a teaser more for the vive
sonic lily
Oh yes, beat saber announced for quest 5 hours ago, +1 fav game announced i guess???
Ik that pc headsets are much better
if only i had a good pc i'd never sell my vive
but i already listed all reasons i want to change it for quest above
covert linden
I want the rift S so bad
sonic lily
The main reason is wires and not much space for base stations btw
covert linden
@vocal shard sleerp
sonic lily
What's a rift S, lemme check
languid beacon
Good luck hope you enjoy it. Will you be selling your vive btw?
vocal shard
Lol Rea
sonic lily
yeah
languid beacon
Contact me. I’d like to buy a used one.
vocal shard
Rift S is being unveiled some time during GDC this week
languid beacon
I have np paying shipping
sonic lily
idk
i mean i never sold anything, someone's gonna help me probably
I can't find a release video for the rift s
queen mango
Man.. you all lucky
My country doesn't even have any VR Headsets for sale, like at all
vocal shard
It's not released yet
sonic lily
wow
vocal shard
Later
heavy dawn
To be honest, a lot of VR content is very light on actual rendering needs and I think content designed for these mobile SOC devices will be pretty great. Not really a replacement for desktop VR but probably even more popular due to accessibility of it.
sonic lily
Feeling bad
heavy dawn
(IF it is cheaper)
sonic lily
Have you ever tried vr at least, Jamie?
covert linden
Jamie has tried like all the vr
heavy dawn
Seeing the old dev kits was neat because they came in those durable cases.
sonic lily
You already started thinking im stupid for changing vive for quest, right?
heavy dawn
Always seemed like serious hardware.
sonic lily
It's important
vocal shard
Rift S isn't announced yet. Will be in a few days. But the rumors are, same tracking system as quest. But wired to pc. And vive pro resolution
languid beacon
Every Best Buy I’ve seen sells rifts and gos. But even here in as USA I’ve never seen a vive for sale at retail
heavy dawn
Why is it important what we think of your VR decisions Adam?
sonic lily
Um
vocal shard
Don't know yet
sonic lily
Everyone so far thought that it's stupid
so maybe that's a way to check if you're normal or something
I love my pessimistic stupid jokes so much T_T
heavy dawn
I mean, there's your answer. I don't think it's stupid. I just think you're probably cutting yourself off from content at first. But who knows what adoption will look like.
sonic lily
I love this emoji that changes when you hover your cursor above it
Well, ik that i will lose some steamvr contect, but seriously, there should be enough oculus quest games that are not available on vive, since people are hyped about oculus quest..
Right?
Content*
queen mango
What's Oculus Quest again, I may ask?
vocal shard
I think the Quest is definitely a good device. Especially if you know what you're getting.
sonic lily
Standalone 6dof 2 controllers headset
heavy dawn
What platform is Quest going to run? Custom Android? Something else?
sonic lily
standalone
vocal shard
Just since this is the vrchat discord, obviously theres recommendation against it since it can't play vrchat
heavy dawn
If it's custom android there's MAYBE hope of getting it on there in the next century.
sonic lily
As far as I know most games just become a little worse in graphics
heavy dawn
Unity3D makes it easy A F to deploy to different platforms. But not if your platform is newer than the version of Unity everyone's stuck on. 😄
sonic lily
I never paid attention to graphics in vr, does anyone even do that?
queen mango
A Snapdragon 845(?) has little to no capacity
CPU, you hear me?
sonic lily
I mean you're usually just enjoying the experience
umbral reef
@heavy dawn Andriod yea
vocal shard
Vrchat is a different beast when it comes to how demanding it is to run.
heavy dawn
Plus yeah you'd have huge performance bottlenecks.
queen mango
Therr are other players that may be in poor-performant avatars as well
umbral reef
And no as the Snapdragon CPU's have a really different set of rendering styles and performances
Things that are trivial on PC become insane problems when working with Phones.
queen mango
Those things inside them can mess up your game's framerates bad
heavy dawn
An android SOC system isn't going to have the single thread performance you need for those rooms full of 100 dynamic bones characters.
vocal shard
other vr games like beat saber that are fully optimized will be fine tho
sonic lily
I can't read everyone stop
queen mango
polar thistle
How long should it take me to go from guest to user lmao.
vocal shard
In this case, i actually think the vive cosmos is an interesting idea. It can still run on a pc through a wire, or connect to a phone with a snapdragon and run basically stand alone like the quest
sonic lily
Vive cosmos is like switch
queen mango
@polar thistle No specific time. Just have fun with VRChat
sonic lily
in vr world
vocal shard
Yeah
polar thistle
Smh ive been playing it for 8 hours ahah
sonic lily
i believe it's minimum 24 hours
but you can't afk and stuff
i think you just kinda be normal, have fun, make friends etc and you get it
vocal shard
8 hours generally isn't that much for ranking up. You can get it lower. I've gotten it lower than 8 hours once. I can happen any time now
vocal shard
It's different for everyone
sonic lily
ik
polar thistle
Huh well ill keep playing then. Thank you bb
heavy dawn
Jamie: I would like it if some of these SOC VR devices actually allowed streaming to them from a powerful PC. That'd be the best.
Wired and/or wireless.
sonic lily
Yeah
I just hate wires more than fish, and you don't wanna know how i hate fish (eating it and smelling it)
when i started doing my research recently i found out about oculus go
i thought that would be a cool idea for a wireless vr headset to play
until i found out that it had 1 controller
and later i found out that it was 3dog
vocal shard
Hey howdy hey uwu.
umbral reef
@heavy dawn https://developer.oculus.com/documentation/unity/latest/concepts/unity-best-practices-intro/ Just look at this. And even if you do this all the odds are big a snapdragon 845 has problems.
The latest snapdragon that got released will run LOADS better but it got released way after the quest dev. started so it wont be used.
sonic lily
you can just google the info
vocal shard
@heavy dawn at the vive GDC this morning. A Qualcomm rep came up and said exactly that was in development for 2019. They are working on a system that vr companies can license and use for wireless pc vr
sonic lily
i already found plenty of websites that say some of quests capabilities
is that what you call it
heavy dawn
Sweet deal 😄
umbral reef
I only see phone VR become really good in ~2 years
Then i will be really hyped about it
languid beacon
@sonic lily Well your decisions are your own. However being that this is the official VRchat discord and that you are asking for the opinion of trading a headset that can play VRC for one that can’t, I’m sure you can understand why most people would have no interest in your choice.
heavy dawn
By that point PC connected VR might be cheap enough to compete.
vocal shard
Hey howdy again.
sonic lily
I'm not asking for anyone's opinion, i listed my reasons for why i'm doing that and not planning for changing my mind for about as long as i exist
I made sure everyone thinks that's stupid because...
Everyone previously did so maybe that's a way to check if you're ok?
That's one of my terrible pessimistic jokes tho
umbral reef
Well. Mid tier gaming is turning into a BIG market.
Loads of good GPU's and CPU's for fairly cheap and being made.
If they can do some magic tricks like they have done before to optimize the headset programs themselves
I totally see Desktop VR being the AAA style of VR in a few years.
signal sequoia
^
umbral reef
Big game devs
signal sequoia
AAA refers to top tier basically
heavy dawn
@sonic lily The idea piqued my interest and we're really not talking about your decision anymore. Just kind-of talking about the possibilities.
umbral reef
Also, the industry would rather have a computer to have more controll over there programs then a lose headset.
Its easier to push new things onto tech that isnt aimed at just gaming or watching movies...
Atleast, the industries that i have been around.
signal sequoia
I prefer PC VR because you don't need to recharge it, but if wireless VR existed and had a long battery life of, let's say 12 hours, I would definitely go for it
sonic lily
i understand that
I just think that wireless is the best thing so far for VR
signal sequoia
But then we have to take latency in mind
sonic lily
Imagine having 2 oculus quests
so you can charge one and play on another one
that's probably bad for health
umbral reef
Can always get a close to wireless experience with wires.
Just yeet the cables on a rope pull thingy and tada
signal sequoia
Well, remember that there are people that sleep on VR lol
sonic lily
wireless is still cool
That one guy was in vr for a week
that's crazy
i'd love to try tho
umbral reef
Id rather call that dumb then crazy but thats just me
sonic lily
lol
umbral reef
I feel like im the only one who things the 'experience' was dumb to attempt.
heavy dawn
It would be fun to make that VR headset the kid designed that works off an arduino for kicks
signal sequoia
Wireless is cool. If they nail a headset with 6 degrees of freedom, alongside alright tracking (let's say WMR-level) then I'd be interested
sonic lily
That is dumb probably
That can get many views tho
Chris, oculus quest isn't exactly that?
Oh no, there's another thing i don't know and someone should explain it to me and everyone will think i'm not very clever in that area
What's wmr btw
heavy dawn
Windows MIxed Reality
umbral reef
It is but it has a big drawback of having a really harshly vetted game liberary, no mod support (what imo makes games like beatsaber worthless)
signal sequoia
Its tracking system is based off cameras on the headset
languid beacon
I’m not used to people talking about “AAA” as a good thing. I tend to have no interest in big budget games. They always seem dumbed down.
vocal shard
sonic lily
i think quest tracking is pretty good
vocal shard
Yeah i heard it's good
languid beacon
You’ve used it?
sonic lily
Everything says that
umbral reef
Can we talk about AR in here or is that too offtopic for 'vrc related chats' 👀
languid beacon
The review embargo is still up. Anything you’ve heard is promotional.
sonic lily
ar is cool
vocal shard
not yet exist
sonic lily
Are hololens cool?
umbral reef
If they work they are
V2 is an cool experience to try out
Its legit google glass but not shoddy
vocal shard
🤔 we need more japaniece
signal sequoia
Hololens v2 is interesting
sonic lily
i don't understand why headsets don't track hands like hololens
Do i not understand something?
signal sequoia
But I don't have $3.5K sitting around
umbral reef
Take your Waifu with you outside 👀
languid beacon
Hololens has an externally narrow field of view. That’s why.
umbral reef
@sonic lily Because its hard, expensive, doesnt work that well when you want to do things fast and is hard to develop apps for...
heavy dawn
imagines someone with their daimakura walking around town
heavy dawn
I mean, with external tracking you can pull that off.
sonic lily
oculus quest will have a cool tennis game
signal sequoia
inside out tracking is nice, but me being traumatized by wmr tracking
sonic lily
I can't use vive
languid beacon
Well. If you are only choosing from titles for a headset that isn’t out yet you can’t be picky lol
signal sequoia
tRacKiNg gOiNg nUts
vocal shard
Keep them moving chris. You should know this
heavy dawn
I mean, even the lighthouse tracking goes bonkers sometimes.
If it's not set up right you get your hand flying off into space.
sonic lily
we moved to another house recently and i can't use base stations in my room, so i'm selling it so i can buy quest
Quest is probably worse on quality but it solves so much of my problems
signal sequoia
yeah
umbral reef
Wait? Why cant you use the base stations?
signal sequoia
I'm planning on yoinking a Kinect for fullbody
languid beacon
I feel like the downsides of inside out tracking won’t be a problem for non-multiplayer games. It’s only ever an issue when you can see someone’s hands when they aren’t looking at them.
heavy dawn
My office is a 12'x9' room and the minimum Vive room scale BARELY fits in it with furniture in there.
umbral reef
Its really shoddy VR tho.. Dont expect great things from it Chris
signal sequoia
which does sound good, except for the fact that my soldering skills are bad
languid beacon
You’ll never see the weirdness in a single player game
sonic lily
my computer is a gaming laptop that barely can run vr, so since quest it standalone it won't lag that much, also i don't have any room for base station and i'm not putting the base stations IN my walls, also there are no wires and i can't use vive wireless adapter because i have a gaming laptop
heavy dawn
@sonic lily If you already have Vive, just set the base stations a reasonable distance apart and re-do room set up for standing only.
But yeah that doesn't solve the too-slow problem.
umbral reef
I get all others but i think your understanding the base stations wrong
But il leave it at that- The not strong enough laptop is a reason to go stand alone
But again, do your research well into the Platform. Not just the tech.
sonic lily
before i used photo stands for base stations, and my headset lagged when i jumped, but here i can't even put them, my room doesn't have empty corners
it has 1 empty corner near my door but no
heavy dawn
Just put them on a shelf angled down.
signal sequoia
My VR playspace isnt much either
heavy dawn
That's what I did before I mounted them.
languid beacon
Do you have a sync cable?
sonic lily
I don't have shelfs
signal sequoia
unfortunately
sonic lily
I'm telling you, absolutely no space
umbral reef
I legit got one yeet'd into the wall and one placed on a shelv with two sided tape 😏
Works and looks really neat even now that i properly set it up
signal sequoia
I made the mistake of buying a full-size bed
umbral reef
Can barely see the power cables
sonic lily
no shelfs, no empty corners, no nothing
signal sequoia
so i ended up with less space for VR
heavy dawn
If your ceiling can take screws just like yeah... screw them into the ceiling on opposite corners and run standing only scale and it's fine 😃
sonic lily
Mount the base stations into the ceiling/walls?
languid beacon
One of my base stations is currently RMA due to blue light of death. Thankfully it just broke my legs, I have oculus
sonic lily
hmm...
signal sequoia
oh lol
sonic lily
How.. will.. i do that?..
heavy dawn
You get mounting brackets with the Vive lighthouses in the box.
umbral reef
Drill a hole
Yeet a screw into the brackets
heavy dawn
You can run them upside down BTW.
sonic lily
um, am i even allowed to drill holes in my walls if we even had a drill
signal sequoia
I would go for Oculus (Rift) now, but idk if I would be willing to lower my screen res for better tracking
sonic lily
I know that you can do that upside down
heavy dawn
Is it an apartment? Probably they don't want you to but most of the time they don't care as long as you fill the holes when you leave. (POly filla from the hardware store)
sonic lily
I am willing to lower my screen res to get rid of wires, base stations, weak PC's and moving from city to city problems
heavy dawn
I have never once been charged for damage and I've put stuff into the walls everywhere I've lived.
languid beacon
I’ve only had oculus dk2 and oculus rift, res is great for me. Recommend wearing one before buy but res is fine
languid beacon
Oculus tracking has a 100% score from me, never had any issues in over 9 months I’ve had it
Tho I have a 3 sensor set up
heavy dawn
3 lighthouses is probably great yeah
sonic lily
i want the quest to come out so badly
Yeah, i for no reason watched stuff about rift setup, 3 lighthouses is great
i never had a rift
vocal shard
Quest is higher resolution than vive and rift
sonic lily
that's true
sonic lily
ik
languid beacon
You have 3 lighthouses Adam?
sonic lily
by the way on the vive i saw the pixels sometimes with my glasses on
I never had a rift
languid beacon
Lighthouses are a vive thing.
sonic lily
Those are called base stations??..
languid beacon
Yeah synonyms
sonic lily
I had 2
they worked fine, they were just low
I have temmie undertale as my desktop pic
saying that for no reason
umbral reef
@vocal shard I wonder if the resolution will actually be properly used
Like almost everyone one the vive uses supersampling... What makes it look better then it actually is
languid beacon
It’s entirely unlikely my hopes are not up at all, and I won’t be let down but man, VRChat for Quest is an insta-buy for me. No game can compete with my house’s total 1600+ hours of vrc
Vrc is just the reason for vr for me. Other games are fun but they are just a drop in the bucket in terms of play time
sonic lily
Hmm, does anyone like rec room?
umbral reef
Polished VRchat without the personality
sonic lily
i hate that you can't make a proper avatar in that game
but the minigames and quests are fun
i played rec room a lot just to grind the quests
languid beacon
Chat seems a little lenient today due to the oculus news but may what to head to #general-media for talk of other vr games