i still wander around the public worlds, friends+ is kinda boring as its the same people most of the time
#vrchat-general-2
dry marsh
median basalt
I have the degree and the required work experience probably
vocal shard
You need 2+ years of experience with unity thats a must
median basalt
Yeah I do
worldly vapor
switch to unreal engine when
vocal shard
Well your set for life then you can make change happen..
Is the dev team the same team that was in charge of all the social aspect controversy around..last year I guess?
That be neat, Rokk
queen mango
@worldly vapor Not happening.. an engine swap would require rewriting of the entire game
heavy dawn
@vocal shard Re: "My dad raised me to be"
That's sad. I'm sorry you have that in your life. I do believe people can grow out of bad life lessons.
languid beacon
Depends on how many friends you have and how well you know the friends. A good portion of my friends list are long term friends I’ve known for decades before vrc, so
median basalt
I have prior experience with Unity, although it was only 1.5 years. Not counting my internship, school project and my personal avatar development time on top of that
worldly vapor
it was a joke 
plush osprey
yea, same here. I try going to public worlds but what i mostly find are kids blasting shitty music or just screaming. Very rarely do i find a calmer group of people in public worlds
vocal shard
What did you work on?
rigid crescent
lol they barely listen to one another and they've worked together longer, i doubt much change would be made. I mean, look at the year late push for optimization despite all the knowledge they had on it even december 2017 👌
vocal shard
@plush osprey That's my problem.
median basalt
@vocal shard I don't wanna work for this dev team lol
vocal shard
I have been waiting for someone to complete that form for ages.. and i cannot be the only person to know about it.. still.. glad i shared hopefuly someone skilled enough takes the job on
Lmao I didn't think so
I just don't think the normal public server is exactly the most approachable for me and my real life crew that tried this game, lol.
median basalt
I like how the devs don't have any office and basically just work anywhere and meet up in VR
languid beacon
I mean if you made a vr world why wouldn’t you use it
vocal shard
I'm 24. I play this when I'm off work when I decide what nerd activity I wanna do today after other things. So it's kinda my wind down game. But like, this community is just weird a bit.
heavy dawn
Work from home works really well if you can communicate and are responsible enough.
median basalt
Considering the sheer amount of exploits I've found I may even function better as security engineer lol
vocal shard
I think the age difference doesn't help either.
dry marsh
@vocal shard at least you tried, nice to know there is another person that thinks "if you want change, be the change"
still lark
"engineer" lmaooo
vocal shard
@heavy dawn Yeah its an old lifes lesson.. basically he hates me because he couldn't raise me into what he wanted.. but thats how the story goes.. still i wont be shaped into an asshole wont happen.
plush osprey
Yea, im glad i found the people i did when i started playing, i rarely go to public worlds now
vocal shard
Age difference?
languid beacon
Welcome to user generated content communities, @vocal shard . Every game like this is like this lol
worldly vapor
I mean, is meeting up in vr any different than a normal meeting over video calls which is a dominating tactic i nthe business world? lmao
median basalt
@still lark that's what their job opening says lmao. It's not much of being an "engineer" if you're just removing functions like OnLeftFootstep() or OpenDocumentation() though
Or uh, Export to file
I've been hit with a gun that uninstalls overwatch
vocal shard
Well.. i really wanted to help vrchat team out i've been here for years now.. still i dont meet the requirment so all i can do i guess is spread the word.. perhaps Rokk will be taken on who knows.
heavy dawn
By the chatter I assume there's a job opening for security?
median basalt
There is
But there's zero chance I would be hired, they probably wouldn't consider me skilled enough and my reputation with the devs is bad enough as it is.
heavy dawn
I mean, anyone who is eager enough and has the ability to figure out exploits would be a good start as a junior. But small teams like this tend not to hire juniors.
vocal shard
@vocal shard I think a difference in humor.
ah.. i dont believe i have a good or bad reputation i just exist and serve for the most part lol
rigid crescent
people figuring out exploits have been banned for reporting them lol
median basalt
It's not like you get to reshape the entire game into your own vision when you join the dev team
vocal shard
And I think while of course that isn't just an age differnece, I just feel like the shit has...changed a bit.
heavy dawn
@median basalt Well, that's ANY dev team 😄
languid beacon
I could never handle a work from home job anyway
vocal shard
Or it could just be interests because I'm out of touch with anime and that seems like the most popular thing on the entire game.
median basalt
Work from home sounds amazing tbh, I fucking hate commutes and I hate being stuck in offices more.
Fucking 3 hours of your day gone because you actually have to reach your workplace first and then start your workday
vocal shard
Being homestuck isnt much of an option either though.. thats my life 😄 lol
languid beacon
Well my work is 6 minute drive so I’m fine
vocal shard
Mine is a 5 minute walk.
median basalt
I'm an IT guy in a city avoided by IT companies
heavy dawn
I used to work from home in Starbucks half the time. Seriously considered getting a work-share space.
median basalt
The harbors aren't even in use anymore but their existence drives up office rent prices so much that nobody wants to be here
vocal shard
I'm moving to Philly soon so, that'll be nice.
send me some of them girls
Also: genuinely disappointed by the lack of ANNNY sports worlds in this game.
But I also highly expected that.
rigid crescent
There's a hockey world, a soccer world
median basalt
There's a golf world too
heavy dawn
@vocal shard You know...a soccor world would be actually pretty fun
rigid crescent
a few generic stadiums, coliseums, golf
median basalt
Soccer would actually work decently well in this game
pseudo basalt
There's a dodgeball world too
vocal shard
I mean, there are a few. Sure. But not used. Ever. And I get why.
median basalt
But voice is a bit of a concern
summer fable
Hi everyone
vocal shard
I've already made a soccer/football world but i havent made it public..
rigid crescent
Yeah, because they're pretty buggy due to how the game works.
median basalt
Worlds aren't used because this game has positive feedback loops.
vocal shard
I wanted to try and make a sports bar for people to actually discuss sports.
heavy dawn
Omega only plays soccer in private.
median basalt
Why would anyone play sports when you can sit in the Pug lmao -everyone
Or better yet, the box. That map is really bad but is living off its own popularity
vocal shard
I have no idea how creating a world works in this game though. I imagine it's not easy at all.
heavy dawn
Any time I join a Pug world it's empty. 😆
rigid crescent
if i wanted to play an interactive vr game i wouldnt be playing vrchat lol
vocal shard
We call soccer football in the UK soccer should be a game involving sock puppets playing football xD
Yeah, @rigid crescent I feel that.
I use this more as like... a playable forum. It just seems the subjects are so limited.
median basalt
Problem with multiplayer VR games is that they're dead in the water without desktop support.
heavy dawn
We have the Toronto Football club that plays soccer. 😂
vocal shard
I really want to see if I can learn how to make forums so I can make worlds/locations that would encourage people to talk more about said subject and meet people on the same subject in there.
median basalt
I tried Pavlov and there were 4 other people online on a sunday afternoon.
vocal shard
A sports bar, a comic book shop world, stuff like that to see if that could work.
How about a sock that plays with a club that hits a football then?
median basalt
I asked the dev for left handed support and he said no, dev told me to refund the game so I did.
vocal shard
Wasn't it the UK that originally called it soccer, and then switched to football? But America kept calling it soccer..
plush osprey
i dont rly hangout with anyone anymore though. I just like leaning back in my chair and relaxing in private worlds. I try inviting or joining my friends but i get no messages or requests accepted..
heavy dawn
Yeah even at their recent price drops, VR is probably out of reach for most people.
pseudo basalt
It's not hard to make a world but good luck making people actually stick around
vocal shard
No its always been footy over here..
@pseudo basalt Yeah, I noticed that.
honestly if you went into a pub when a game was on and called it soccer you would get a bottle over your head
median basalt
VR will remain out of reach for most non-enthusiasts until a manufacturer comes along that isn't all about "ashfjashgfnsaj we need higher resolutions!!! 5 million pixels wide or bust!!!"
And actually develops a budget headset with similar specs to the Oculus at half the price
vocal shard
Is there any model that allows people to play You Tube videos as like a piece of furniture?
pseudo basalt
You need people in at all times for more people to want to join, so at this point you basically need to get lucky to be the next box
vocal shard
Quick google search
Because the sport originated in England, it is often assumed thatsoccer is an Americanism. In fact, the word is thoroughly British in origin. ... The game played under the Football Association's rules thus became known as association football
@pseudo basalt I got some friends that I feel like would support me on it. I got a ton of real life friends on here. We play late though.
It's always been football where im from Jamie
heavy dawn
@median basalt That Oculus Android device looked promising.
plush osprey
I'm on late at night. Im stuck at work at the moment
vocal shard
Soccer is how the americans refer to it as because american football was.. again taken from the british.. as usual.. as over in the UK its known as Rugby where as the US called that football..
median basalt
Mobile VR is very ehhh too
heavy dawn
Someone needs to make a Dreamspark to Steam VR bridge.
plush osprey
But i'll be playing Blade and Soul when i get home
median basalt
You know what they should have done? Allow you to plug it into your PC, that would make them the Nintendo Switch of VR headsets. 200 IQ play.
plush osprey
tonight
vocal shard
Rugby is alot more dangerous than american football though
median basalt
Instead we get a device that can barely play VR games
heavy dawn
@median basalt Yeah
vocal shard
Does anyone know about the You Tube idea tho? Like, is there a piece of furniture that serves as a You Tube video player?
Because with ownership of the playlist, a sports lounge with like, past MMA fights or games going on in the back would be p.dope.
rigid crescent
You can put a video player in any room
heavy dawn
Yeah I've seen a lot of worlds with YouTube players. That's commonplace I think.
rigid crescent
the problem is, worlds become really popular. Bedroom THeater for example is a popular videoplayer map. Why would I join some sport bar or other map when i can just go to the one everyone knows
vocal shard
I haven't actually seen one, strangely enough.
I can easily set streams up in vrchat for live games.. problem is.. Sync between clients
rigid crescent
That's the issue with map popularity. It's not a bad thing, it's just hard to get yourself out there.
vocal shard
@rigid crescent For the idea of hopefully, the goal would be: associating with fellow sports fans.
Like as a forum would function. You would go to a thread to discuss a subject with people - you would go to the world to discuss that with people/hopefully/
heavy dawn
When I make maps I just hope a friend could join me and give me ideas and we could make a fort together. :3
rigid crescent
The sync is fine, there's plenty of maps with sync buttons anyway
like bedroom theater, that has one lol
plush osprey
wait.. @vocal shard are you thinking of putting a video player as a prop for an avatar so you'd be able to spawn a video player where ever you want from an avatar?
heavy dawn
Synchtube for VR
vocal shard
The sync needs to be automatic
plush osprey
is..is that possible?
vocal shard
and between all clients connected to that instance or under that trigger
@plush osprey No lol.
heavy bridge
@median basalt I just dotPeek'd and it's all there
median basalt
What is all there?
vocal shard
I just wanted to literally basically make an Aroogas or Buffalo Wild Wings of VR Chat.
median basalt
@heavy bridge check the VRCPlayer class, most notably the nameplate stuff.
vocal shard
And hopefully get a different audience in there.
heavy bridge
Oh. That's from like 30mins ago
rigid crescent
or just press the resync button if it messes up since audio is the thing that desyncs now that they've fixed video doing it
median basalt
They may have caught up on all the obfuscated code since last time I checked. I checked two months back.
Actually that might explain why IK Follower is obfuscated.
heavy dawn
Wow this EmuVR thing looks pretty high quality for the environment.
median basalt
If you were to download an older version you'd see half-obfuscated code. I guess it doesn't matter anymore if it's all obfuscated
vocal shard
I actually hyped myself up on this own little sports bar idea.
plush osprey
@vocal shard the best video player world that i like using is the Bedroom Theatre world. works well for me
median basalt
@heavy bridge nope, I'm looking at VRCPlayer and there's a lot of unobfuscated stuff like trust rank colors.
vocal shard
@plush osprey But I imagine it's with a giant world of people that all together can choose what is played, right?
median basalt
They're not caught up yet ayyyyyyy
vocal shard
Like, everyone controls the channel and such?
plush osprey
@vocal shard no, the first person that joins the instance has control
heavy bridge
I'll take your word since I'm not in front of my PC anymore
rigid crescent
You can set it so everyone can do it or one person can do it
plush osprey
oh, didnt know that
hasty wedge
when are video players getting queues
vocal shard
@plush osprey I suppose. I think I just want an idea so hopefully it can be an escape for the people interested in sports primarily.
hasty wedge
cause 1 by 1 is so gey xd
vocal shard
I know what the general audience for this game is and it isn't that. That's why I think having a whole world like that MIGHT work.
I also might be over estimating how many lowkey or highkey sports fans play this game.
rigid crescent
HOnestly, it's more that no one cares. If I want to watch a fun educational youtube video, I'll go to Bedroom Theater. If i want to watch anime, bedroom theater. if i wanna watch wrestling, bedroom theater.
plush osprey
@vocal shard i think if everyone was able to control it and put in whatever URL they wanted it might potentially brake the player.. not sure with the recent update for the video players though
vocal shard
🦆
plush osprey
idk >.<
rigid crescent
The option to choose who is allowed to put a link in is chosen by the world owner.
vocal shard
@rigid crescent Again though, anyone can join that world and the audience could be anything. The same thing /could/ happen for the sports bar idea but 9 chances out of 10, you could more than likely meet more sports fans.
rigid crescent
Multiple links won't break anything, it'll just load a new video. THat's the thing.
plush osprey
ah
vocal shard
Bedroom Theater is a mix of anyone in the game without any specified subject besides "I wanna watch a video". My idea isn't just for a place to watch videos.
It's about meeting other people who are into the same interest on that game.
I was bummed out when I got on after the Super Bowl and no one in any world even muttered a word of it. At least in the worlds I was in. BUT, imagine if there was a place where that discussion isn't forced but encouraged.
plush osprey
it would be funny seeing people watching anime in a Buffalo WildWings world lol
heavy bridge
Or could be that it's one of the only few maps that has the video stuff setup properly? Could be very wrong..
plush osprey
haven't seen Jojo yet, i heard its.. interesting
rigid crescent
No, lots of video worlds are set up properly. Most work just fine.
heavy dawn
Yeah clearly you can set it up to not be overridden easily because they have a YT player on the home map for game tutorials don't they?
Come to think of it, I've never had that one work. Ever.
rigid crescent
That's because those button press ones go to a specific video, so he'd have to host them and whatnot or hope they stay hosted
plush osprey
Oh yea, the default home world. That video player use to work but now it just doesnt work
heavy bridge
Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't.
plush osprey
hasn't worked for me
heavy dawn
I did the tutorial and made my own home world. A little bunker. I don't know if I should bother submitting it. It seems optimized enough but I need to do a lot more to make it interesting.
queen mango
Devstream hasn't been updated since last year
plush osprey
meh, idc for that player anyways, you cant put in your own URLs. I left the default home world ever since you could make any world your home world lol. Havent been back since
queen mango
Same here...
So far however... the Bedroom Theater map is the most optimized world with a video player I've been in
Floartharr's Comfy Theater and Munificent's Hangout House are pretty laggy
rigid crescent
Yeah flaortharr kills me but my friend loves it, i dont get it
plush osprey
Depends where your located too, some people have a better connection to that world than others
heavy dawn
I tried a treehouse today and it was the worst optimised thing I've seen in a long time. :|
Lagged pretty badly despite being low poly. Must be dynamic lighting? It had a very thick tree, with a flat texture surround with someones' VRchat character as part of the texture. There was also a nest of eggs you could sit on.
plush osprey
oof
rigid crescent
Lighting is a pretty big world killer
heavy bridge
Baked lighting is worse for filesize.. Unless you want it looking horrible of course.
plush osprey
yea, real time lighting can ruin a world if its not done right. i havent made a world at all so i cant say much
rigid crescent
Filesize isn't as bad compared to constant lag though
heavy bridge
Good point
plush osprey
once everything is loaded in, the world runs smoothly no matter how big its file size if its optimized
vocal shard
@median basalt Do you meet these requirements ? https://imgur.com/5wZjbfo
heavy bridge
Everyone's crying about the first 30secs or so being 45ish fps, at least in my group
Then it's all 90
placid umbra
Dynamic lighting is a pretty significant hit to performance if it isn't implemented correctly
plush osprey
yea, most of the worlds im in it usually stays at 45fps, doesn't bother me honestly
median basalt
@vocal shard no lol
vocal shard
Dang 😛
median basalt
Wait what
heavy dawn
2+ years of age (dammit!)
median basalt
LMAO I just now read it properly
vocal shard
Sorry couldn't help myself
plush osprey
gtg back to work
heavy bridge
lol
heavy dawn
Is that the legit job listing? That sounds like they'll take any competent dev, really.
heavy bridge
I thought they said 2 years with Unity... OMG.. I didn't see that
placid umbra
No, it's not.
vocal shard
Cmon you had to ask if thats legit 😄
median basalt
It's an obvious meme, no real job posting would ask for "spaget"
Realtime lights can just about triple the drawcalls I think.
heavy dawn
Hey... my spaget is important.
vocal shard
You cants vrchats if u dont spaget
median basalt
But apparently a single directional light can still be done within the same pass in forward rendering.
heavy dawn
I wonder if they pay better than web development? 😂
vocal shard
I think a single light is fine if the map isnt that complex and you have shadows and reflections off..
depends how big map is and whats actually in the scene
placid umbra
If you have real-time lights hitting players, things can get really bad
vocal shard
Anything hiting players is bad including mesh colliders but this is only limited to vrchat
placid umbra
heavy bridge
Not really
vocal shard
I built standalones that ran like dreams.. then building on vrchat .. which ive done for the last 3 years.. and its just a terrible matrix
heavy bridge
^
still lark
Have you actually done real testing?
heavy dawn
Can you even lift!?
vocal shard
What do you consider testing other than a profiler and a frame debugger what a packet sniffer?
median basalt
Why do you need a packet sniffer for realtime lights
heavy dawn
To smell the burning packets from lights
vocal shard
Because you are sniffing out the darkness inside them
placid umbra
rigid crescent
here it comes
median basalt
I try to make worlds baked-only if even remotely possible, a lot of worlds don't need realtime shadows on players
heavy dawn
@rigid crescent That sounds like a private matter.
vocal shard
I have a map thats waiting to be approved.. i have 1000 draw calls with all the rides.. everything and a realtime light.. and guess what.. thats right its fine.
so go figure.
Shadows off.. reflections off.. everything baked.. unlit color/texture.. = done.
queen mango
Better 
heavy bridge
What about this then? lol
vocal shard
The frog is banned because its racist
vocal shard
Pill enforced it so all these peeps below have no choice but to go with it.. even if they didnt agree his word is law and judge dread dont take no shit
median basalt
Pretty sure VR Pill didn't have a hand in that
Some people are convinced that a cartoon frog is hate speech, that's all.
vocal shard
Lots of things are hate speech though.. when we going to outlaw disney characters?
umbral oracle
also you have literally any of 1000 other not banned internet memes to use when your opinions are somehow not expressible in ordinary text
vocal shard
Internet.
heavy bridge
I accidently used the wrong emote?
queen mango
Yep.
polar ingot
anyone havin issues getting on the game?
vocal shard
I think kermit is probably banned too
queen mango
Kermit's fine here
umbral oracle
well the thing about 1000 drawcalls -> is that a lot?
rigid crescent
what error are you getting
vocal shard
I dunno.. there are some preety dank memes as the kids say out there with kermit in them
polar ingot
not even getting an error code
median basalt
Please optimize the nameplates before we tell people to optimize whatever is underneath the nameplate.
heavy bridge
Menus practically unusable even on worlds without any triggers..
heavy dawn
Pepe was co-opted by the alt-right. It's sad that it happened but I'd just as soon never see it as an image macro. Sad that guy's cartoon got associated.
umbral oracle
seems like it should be ok for a world. if you have 100 objects + realtime lights vs 1000 objects and baked lights. However, the difference is realtime spot/point lights or shadows enabled can also render trigger extra draw calls on avatars
vocal shard
Lyuma 1000 draw calls is unreal considering what i have going on with the map. The original without my optimisations was 10k+ draw calls as you recall what i posted a lil while ago with profiler SS
median basalt
@heavy dawn it was never "co-opted"
It was the target of a smear campaign because a tiny group of people used it
heavy dawn
🙄
median basalt
And the vast majority of its users had absolutely zero association with "alt-right"
Even today the ADL admits that it's not racist in itself, only racist when used in a racist context. That can be said about absolutely everything.
heavy bridge
One mess up and it ruins it for everyone else.
queen mango
Fair point..
still lark
But what if i'm left handed?!
median basalt
I'm left-handed
vocal shard
i aint anti left handed.. if your left handed so be it im neutrality. lol
median basalt
Most VR shooters suck if you're left-handed, by the way. They almost always get the controls completely wrong.
Almost every shooter, without fail, will swap the left and right control sticks if you're left handed. PAYDAY 2 is so aggressive about this that it will swap your controllers mid-game just because you took out your knife or pistol with your left hand.
vocal shard
Yeah well most games get gender wrong too.. i see male and female but no "other"
median basalt
Then you get to fumble around for 5 seconds trying to get your hands right again.
The Pavlov dev told me "I don't care, refund the game" when I raised my concerns
Shotgun pumping in Serious Sam is broken because they "had to" choose either left or right handed people to favor
vocal shard
Pavlov is such a large game and they are making so much money yeah i doubt they care at all lol
median basalt
I refunded Pavlov. Doesn't seem like a large game to me, there were 4 other europeans playing on a sunday afternoon.
vocal shard
Well steam has it really high for player count in the charts.. thats an all there is to it really
median basalt
A lot of games simply swap your left/right controllers entirely when you're left handed
Shoutout to Wanted Killer VR for doing it right
Games like serious sam don't get any bonus point since they're ambidextrous to begin with
heavy dawn
@median basalt Which is your preferable hand on the grip and which on the barrel?
vocal shard
Hmm i haven''t got that much experience with left/right.. all i know is if shooting from hip i prefer gun right side.. not because im right handed.. just because it feels right..
median basalt
Left hand on the grip, right hand on the foregrip/front guard. Left stick to move, right stick to rotate.
vocal shard
the only game to be centred was doom .. quake.. and most of the oldies duke nukem too
median basalt
Apparently that specific control combination is something that most devs just don't get
heavy dawn
@median basalt So mostly same controls. I think I would design the control scheme such that you could pick in the menu, "left hand forward / right hand forward"
Also make the circles swappable.
median basalt
Yeah, that's what Serious Sam does and it makes it a pleasant experience
heavy dawn
The world would be a whole lot better if people didn't stop at, "I don't experience it so it's not my problem."
vocal shard
oh btw rokk i finished Funland reborn its up waiting to be approved right now 😃 took a long dam time to finish it.. but still its only V1.. its not even the start of what i have planned 😛
I gave people a link to it earlier and had some really good reviews so thats always nice.. especially when you put so much effort into it
heavy dawn
@vocal shard Can I see it? I've been excited to since you described it.
vocal shard
for sure.. i wanna spread it around the world.. im the theme park guy and nobody is gonna put this man down! lol
V2 will have another coaster, a flume ride, a haunted house, a ride thats a secret as its a nightmare to work with and nobody has ever made.. and.. a race track with go karts.
vocal shard
Alright well im sure it will be popular people love rides and stuff lol
for all the good it does people wanting to advoid sickness.. it sure attracts alot of streamers.
I'm going to add an airplane that flies by in the sky with a trail behind it too.. and a message waving in the wind.. yes i will have weather on my map too 😛 but overall an "Advertise here" lols
Wind zone works beautiful in 2017
heavy dawn
I'm going to hop on now. Just waiting for a light bake to finish.
vocal shard
Yeah probably a good idea to wait for that.. if your on bakery especially
Bakery saved my life honestly.. it went from a 1.5 day wait to a 3 hour wait with bakery.. legend
heavy dawn
I'll have to look into it. Unity light bakes aren't too bad yet but that's on levels I fart out in 10 minutes. Not detailed ones.
vocal shard
Well bakery is gpu.. so its a rocket..
the gpu lightmapper in unity is progressive and youll be lucky if it works it always fallsback to cpu.. its utterly useless
heavy bridge
It's god speed... Plus at least GPU lights are coming to 2019 (beta in 2018)
vocal shard
Well i used unity 2019.3 and.. wasnt that impressed with it they are still having issues :\
but who would use unity's default when we have bakery.. i mean my god.. way worth what i paid for it
heavy bridge
Yep
heavy dawn
Will they have a network layer ready for 2019?
I kind-of want to make my newest game network play because it's basically 3D Tank wars.
vocal shard
3d tank wars.. oh man so many games like that..
heavy dawn
I haven't used the betas yet. I just knew they were deprecating the old one.
vocal shard
dont blame you for building like that though.. VR isnt all its cracked up to be.
heavy dawn
@vocal shard I guess a lot of people liked DOS Tank Wars :D
My NEPHEW plays it and I was blown away. He asked if I knew the game and I was like... Yeah, me and your dad used to play it.
vocal shard
There are more users with default monitors than vr.. so you stand to proffit even still..
Actually im a mech warrior fan and i 100% guarantee that if you create a mech warrior game you will be totally loaded.
heavy dawn
https://vrchat.com/home/world/wrld_2105eb08-75f6-41c9-90b8-1d04040552b0
Haha... so instead of using the VRHome assets which are beautiful enough, I kind of just modeled an ugly bunker in a few minutes in Unity and then jammed it into the SDK. Am I selling you on my world yet?
vocal shard
kinda
I've never made a game on my own before.. i guess im an indie developer.. but i only create content here.. i've thought about going it alone.. but im lost in space because.. if i choose to release on steam with the 90 bucks they charge to air my title.. i know why ea and more dont use them now.. but if i do.. i will also be the support and the dev..
and that is a nightmare.. and i know because im friends with eastes .. aka richies plank experience guy.
me and him talk often on steam.. and he does it mostly alone and it isnt easy
lol i typed garrysmod at first.. hilarious.. i had garrysmod in my mind all day after chatting with someone earlier about it
heavy bridge
lol
vocal shard
Lets face it Vrchat in unity is garrymod with wire.. i see no difference.. o no wait.. yeah i do.. i cant use E2/lua .. thats right lol
heavy bridge
Source was iffy, but it did the job.
vocal shard
Well i spent all my time in gmod creating content and running servers and my god do i miss it
We had a spacebuild Rc2 server up and a naval map.. and.. a massive community and now its not the same.. i mean i can build that here but .. need quite abit of power to handle that many avatars
heavy bridge
I was mostly a player then... Still got my 2TB archive of gmod stuffs
vocal shard
Oh nice haha, still does not take much to equate that limit 😄 Carters addon pack from stargate mod is a few gig on its own 😄
I was a player on it for about a month.. until i learnt how to mod it.. and from then on i gained titles on the server and someone else ran our server back then, so i raised in rank from user to eventually super admin.. and then the server died after 2 years of up time the guy could no longer afford to keep it running.. so i brought the community back from the dead with friends help.. people with serious brains.. who i also brought over here in the end.. who made really good stuff.. like lather .. hes still around just doing other stuff.. but even still he was the main guy i went to when i wanted code.. he recreated custom scripts like it was nothing where as everyone else was just pondering how that was even possible.. thanks to his help i relaunched the server and it went on for about 6 more years..
heavy bridge
I just nowadays just port it over to VRChat in amongst creating new stuff.
still niche
What's your opinions on kinect on vrchat or for full body tracking
heavy dawn
@vocal shard That was... AMAZING!
vocal shard
haha cheers 😄
heavy dawn
It's a bit vomit inducing... but amazing XD
vocal shard
well 3 months 3 weeks aint bad right? 😄
heavy dawn
Lots of detail! And you got the rides pretty close to real ones.
vocal shard
The audio loop in the background is pure asmr too so it can trick the mind time from time 😛
heavy dawn
Did you do any vocals for it? Or was that all stock audio?
vocal shard
Cheers yeah.. its hard honestly to get it right but.. i've done it before so.. needed to do better this time around and so i did lol
heavy dawn
I swear some little girl was saying, "I'm gonna die!" and I was like, "yeah you and me too, kid!"
vocal shard
That audio is from a Hanburg fair that was done in 2008 from a source of mine 😃
lmfao gonna die? man.. kids having fun i like that hearing that is a laugh lol
heavy dawn
Ah! That's why it was ... german announcers sometimes?
vocal shard
Exactly yeah.. you wont find many ambience asmr loops in the world.. and if you do they will cost a fortune 😛
but i have sources and so i can get more if need be.. english too
heavy dawn
That's awesome 😄
vocal shard
Yeah.. asmr ambience.. makes it feel real as well as the fun factor.. i fall asleep to rain in asmr and sounds of nature.. its my thing ya'know 😛
There will be more rides on the way soon enough so the map will get expanded quite quickly and im not one to be lax on updates.. so expect to see alot more where that comes from lol
Scenery is also important to me though.. i need to improve the map more.. i want all spaces filled in.. but not to the point where it feels crowded.. simply an atmosphere where people can relax, enjoy and have fun with friends.
Oh and you can sit on the wall to the fountain too.. but still i will make the fountain actually have a fountain soon enough.. so the sounds of the water.. the splash.. i wanna go overboard really.. lol
heavy dawn
Nice!
calm turret
hello, someone would help me with this error in blender when importing the plugin "xnalaramesh" https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/469408475416494081/544339966227120157/error.png
heavy dawn
It says invalid syntax. Is the download maybe corrupt?
Maybe put init.py into https://pythonbuddy.com/
"From v1.9.0 of this addon will only work with Blender 2.80+ (and viceversa)."
ocean bramble
@calm turret You installed the Blender 2.8 version of it. Use the 2.79 one
calm turret
I have installed the blender 2.79 and when I downloaded the xna plugin the 2.79 version does not appear in blender to be able to activate it and the master version shows me the error that I shared
heavy dawn
@Omega https://youtu.be/6z8mEiPQJAo I'm so silly.
vocal shard
@heavy dawn congrats your the first streamer to of done that on that map you just made history lol
Oh my days you could of atleast picked a bigger avatar lmao
vocal shard
Does anyone have a mirror you can put in a vrchat world?
opaque remnant
there's one in the sdk
you need a different one?
vocal shard
There is?
umbral oracle
are you asking about the mirror prefab that is in over 90% of vrchat worlds?
vocal shard
yes
umbral oracle
VRCSDK -> Prefabs -> World -> VRCMirror
it's part of the sdk, just drag one into your world and position it well
it's recommended to keep it normally unchecked and have a button to activate or toggle it locally
vocal shard
how do you do that?
umbral oracle
which part? To start simple, drag a mirror into your world scene and it should show up
the toggle button is a bit more advanced. If you're unsure where to start I would suggest looking at a vrchat world tutorial on youtube. having a visual guide might make it easier to get into than explaining by tex
vocal shard
What shader do you use because the shader was pink
opaque remnant
for the mirror? leave it pink
vocal shard
woops
shell basalt
hey guys... so I know absolutely nothing about VR but I saw this game and it looked really cool, and I really want to play it. But I dont have any VR stuff. What do I need to play this game, and is there a really cheap VR thing (not sure what its called but Ill say oculus rift as an example) I can get
I do have windows 10 so it should run decent if i have the tech needed
umbral oracle
If you really want to test the mirror in editor, you can download a copy of mirror shader from the prefab database in #world-development but it will show up fine in vrchat. @vocal shard
vocal shard
@shell basalt you can play in desktop mode until you get vr. The cheapest PC vr that works are the Windows Mixed Reality headsets
shell basalt
oh. awesome. but how much does that cost
cant really find the price for some reason
vocal shard
The in store prices are similar to the rift. On Amazon, or when they go on sale on Microsoft.com, you can get them around $150-200
hollow umbra
Console plebs 😎
queen mango
Speaking of which.. I'm selling my PS4
hollow umbra
Hopefully you can get a few bucks for pc components
vocal shard
did anyone else's eyes disappear after the update
vocal shard
maybe but they were working before the update
blinking, tracking, etc. but now they're just... invisible?
cursive skiff
Well shit may have got a streamer banned on accident LOL Oops~
Probably not tbh but if I did oh well
Didn’t mean to.
queen mango
Huh.. sounds like he stroked the wrong horn
cursive skiff
AHAHAHA nah, I got two horns on my@humble veldtsk! That’s what I meant
Wow, I hate this phone. Sorry ma
stone current
shouldnt hav said u were horny :(
cursive skiff
AHAHAHAHA
hey, I just ask for horn rubs and people@analog chasm it! Either that or I make friends by them abusing me with Slaps and baton whacks etc
This phone...
Reeee
Sorry do lol
cursive skiff
Really? Ya did? Tonight or last night?
stone current
hardy seal
Like 30 min ago or so
cursive skiff
Ay jester boi is making a name for himself!
Ayyy! What do ya know? Did I ask you for a horn job?
is the biggest emoji
hardy seal
I gave you a horn rub
cursive skiff
AY! What do ya know? Thanks man, helping a bro screw with his gf too
hardy seal
I had a white haired avatar with cat ears and a blue jacket and skirt
stone current
me
cursive skiff
Hmmm, damn I can’t recall damn my short term memory damn... OH WAIT yeah!
I remember ya
Tell yer friends about the horn rubs~ they are coming
stone current
oof
cursive skiff
AHAHAH oh, they will but it’s already too late! It’s not if it’s when it’s gonna happen~ Yahahaha! Anyway what’s up lads?
stone current
gib hug
slow lance
Is there a current ongoing issue? Every world says there are people in it, but I show up to empty worlds. :(
modern sand
Update vrchat
queen mango
Make sure the version is around 2017.4.15f1, and that you're not in Open Beta
modern sand
That's the SDK Elire, doesn't impact vrchat servers 😄
slow lance
Relaunching VRChat was the fix. Steam updated it a few days ago.
modern sand
If you're not sure, check the announcements and see if the build number matches yours
slow lance
It did on both launches. The broken and working one. :D Mystery.
vocal shard
tiny ginkgo
vocal shard
Hey Nass
vocal shard
^^
daring jasper
Morning
tiny ginkgo
I was just checking out some of your videos Jamie, and your avatar looks wonderful
vocal shard
Oh! Thank you ^^
umbral reef
Well Jamie is a confirmed qtie so of course there avatar is neat
vocal shard
tiny ginkgo
Oh I wasn't aware it was confirmed, then of course
vocal shard
umbral reef
Also Jamie I just noticed your screenshots ya made
Il pray for you owkay
vocal shard
XD
umbral reef
You know, I just realized why I need them user volume buttons.
A big part of why i stop playing vrc so fast is because I can't listen to music properly.
And with all the downtime the game has its boring without it, but it's a pain to have it on while talking to some users at the same time.
long venture
user volume as in tweak each players volume?
queen mango
Somewhere around that
peak glacier
hello fellow gamers
I keep finding one or two people with a vast amount of extremely high quality avatars with cool abilities and stuff
they must have been playing for like years
queen mango
It's what they did to their avatars that allows them to do those kinds of things not game-wise
Technical stuff, I mean.
torn nebula
once you hit new user you can do anything anyone else can with avatars or worlds
you just have to learn how
peak glacier
All I know how to do is upload my own avatars and worlds
time to go sicko mode on that YouTube search bar
queen mango
Hello there
vocal shard
think i just made the biggest mistake ever. Made my avatar too big, put the avatar descriptor on the wrong person and now in game i cant access the menu to change my avatar or put myself in safe mode. Is there a quick hotkey for safe mode?
queen mango
Shift + Esc
vocal shard
thx
queen mango
vocal shard
well rip
loads my avatar even when i spam it before hand
spam shift esc
any way i can delete a character from vr chat remotely from Unity?
queen mango
Oof.. there's also another one.
Try Ctrl + \
queen mango
Ctrl and \
opaque remnant
the tilde key, above tab
queen mango
Not the one above tab key, just the one above the enter key
That key combination sets you back to your default avatar, which is not Nikkei
vocal shard
i know
subtle prawn
Clicking on this will take you to tab to delete avatars
https://i.imgur.com/NNdcsfQ.png
queen mango
queen mango
I think it got set to private... dunno the real reason though
Map creator's offline still
vocal shard
whats a big world i can test avatars in, i need a bigger scale
meager solstice
It could be in the process of updating
umbral oracle
Worlds go offline while the world author has uploaded a new version and it's waiting for approval
vocal shard
question, anyone know why i get the build control error "following component types are found on the avatar and will be removed by the client: Mesh Collider" . Its a 2D avatar. As soon as i put the descriptor on it, this error pops up
terse cove
any fix for this flickering screens when oculus is running?
since last oculus update? :/
glossy wharf
I dont have that issue, have you tried reinstalling your oculus drivers
terse cove
yeah
median basalt
@vocal shard remove the collider component on your plane/quad
glossy wharf
already told him in avatars
terse cove
several friends have it too since last update. Both monitors flickers intermittedly while oculus service is running
vocal shard
yeah sai helped me out
glossy wharf
@terse cove If its the oculus service have you tried posting on their forums instead of in this discord?
terse cove
no because they never answer jack sh-- lol
glossy wharf
i mean it will still be more helpful than posting it here.
terse cove
not really, someone may have figured it out, this is by far the largest userbase of VR users
glossy wharf
Yeah but not a lot of people use the discord compared to the size of it.
And if its a oculus issue, chances are letting them know will get you a fix sooner.
cosmic belfry
How do I remove models from my favorites so I can add new favorites?
glossy wharf
click them, click remove from favorites.
cursive skiff
Be warned lads, the banana will be on the hunt for horn touchies tonight~!
stone current
:x
tiny ginkgo
Um when exactly is tonight
languid beacon
The last part of today
vocal shard
Horn touchies.. what exactly is that? because my mind is warped and i see something else
steep turret
exactly
cursive skiff
@vocal shard I have horns on my mask! And I ask people to touch them!
@tiny ginkgo around 4-8pm mst
steep turret
scandalous
cursive skiff
SHHHT
vocal shard
Ah i see.. kinda odd lol
vocal shard
Yeah.. i dont do any hanging about in public so i wouldn't have a clue 😛
cursive skiff
Also starting to be known for my horn touchies!
Not far and wide but some folks know it
vocal shard
I wouldn't go around asking people to touch my horn.. guess thats just a me thing though lol
cursive skiff
I do it for memes
steep turret
people like to poke my teeth since theyre shark teeth in game, lol
vocal shard
Yeah thats the difference i dont even understand memes.. never have and quite possibly never will.
steep turret
People sure like to touch things
steep turret
oof I don't people just come up and touch my face. might be because of the freckles too idk
cursive skiff
Ay don’t blame them freckles are cute
steep turret
you're gosh darn right they are
cursive skiff
And like no one uses them so, it makes you unique
steep turret
That's true I guess. I do love my freckly pink haired shark boi
cursive skiff
But I make myself stand out instead of my model standing out
pure hemlock
I had a guy have a meltdown last night because I refused to give him headpats and instead kept stabbing him in the face lol
cursive skiff
AHAHAHA
steep turret
some people pay good money for that kind of treatment
umbral reef
@pure hemlock Sounds like you did the right thing
cursive skiff
Hey it ain’t hard to make yourself stand out in vrchat and having it bring you not your model
@pure hemlock hmmm sounds like situations I’ve been in
pure hemlock
I only like to do the whole 'headpats' thing with close friends, just feels awkward with strangers
cursive skiff
Bah! Gotta be a skank bro
steep turret
touching strangers in general is awkward, ha ha
cursive skiff
Bah! Not if your a skank in vr like me kek
pure hemlock
I have a lot of 'phantom sense' or w/e it's called so when random people get up in my face and start touching me, I freak out a bit
cursive skiff
It feels like it yeah I know it’s weird but I love it at the same time
steep turret
is that a thing? I've heard about it from time to time
vocal shard
Phantom sense is a pain 😭
pure hemlock
Mmmm definitely a thing. Affects some people more than others.
vocal shard
People are tickling me :c
cursive skiff
Ay seafood! Wanna give jester horn rubs?
pure hemlock
I get insane chills down my back when people touch my neck in VR
vocal shard
Same 😦
vocal shard
I have phantom sense everywhere though
steep turret
never felt it. must be wild
pure hemlock
Everywhere for me too. Only place that isn't so bad is my back since it's hard to see what people are doing to it.
tiny ginkgo
Phantom touch is the best
steep turret
those erp folks must dig it, lol
cursive skiff
Sone
vocal shard
xDDD
pure hemlock
Lol good idea. The only time I've felt phantom sense on my back was when a guy friend was kissing it, since I could hear it
steep turret
like I said, wiiiiild
my wife will smooch me in VR and IRL sometimes at the same time lmfao dunno if that's like phantom touch but
vocal shard
@steep turret No
That's heaven
steep turret
hahaha
vocal shard
@pure hemlock Nobody touches mah bodeh
steep turret
make a sign I'm sure that'll work lol
vocal shard
"Don't touch me"
People starts touching
pure hemlock
Just stab people in the face as they go in for the headpat. That's what I do lol. Seems to work 99% of the time
vocal shard
But that's mean :c
pure hemlock
Headpatting without permission is rude! They deserve it
steep turret
what's rude is shoving fingers into mouths. that's always a hoot when it happens to me
steep turret
I just did to my coworker. his response was appropriate. spoiler: it wasn't
pure hemlock
What's the worst imo is when 12 year old boys come up to you and just grab your boobs constantly. It's so god damn awkward
Fastest way to get a block from me probably
vocal shard
@pure hemlock I don't have boobs,
But since i have phantom touch i can relate that horrible feeling 😶
pure hemlock
I don't even use lewd avatars, usually avatars with sweaters and stuff >_>
steep turret
some people's kids. they should know the ass is always better. joking aside, yeah I'd give em a flat block too.
tiny ginkgo
It happens to us all unfortunately. I'm using flat chested avatar's only that are more cute than anything.
vocal shard
This is why i don't use female avatars in public anymore 😦
steep turret
then again half the people in lewd avatars want the attention--hence why the lewdness
vocal shard
@steep turret You got it my friend
steep turret
maybe more than half, actually
pure hemlock
Yah if you're going around in a super lewd avatar, you probably are asking for it
steep turret
can't get it IRL so they wanna live vicariously through their thot avatar 👌
pure hemlock
But I'll be with guy friends who have lewd avatars, and I am in a super casual avatar with jeans and a sweater, and it's still me they come and grope. They hear my voice and think it's not gay or something I guess
steep turret
is that a holo 👀 ohno. wolf wife
tiny ginkgo
vocal shard
@pure hemlock A lot of guys in this game are desperate
And will continue even if you're a guy irl
steep turret
I like when dudes hit on my wife. I just sit in the back and watch until she explains I'm the husband, lol
vocal shard
OMG Yes !! xD
steep turret
good times. best is when people assume it's like cyber dating.
tiny ginkgo
Cyber dating
pure hemlock
Cyber dating, what is this, 2001?
floral aspen
I'm sure most people would assume it's RP
steep turret
or that
pure hemlock
Not a term I've heard in awhile
floral aspen
lots of people with RP husbandos/waifus with pretend kids
steep turret
idk what the kids are into nowadays
vocal shard
Cyber Dating ? 😆
steep turret
I dated myself with that one sentence
floral aspen
Cyber dating sounds like something my dad would call it lol
steep turret
feelsbad
pure hemlock
Do you guys do the cyber sex on the shitty webcams too through windows messenger
steep turret
now i feel old. damn kids and their facepages and mybooks
floral aspen
fuck windows messenger. it's all about AIM
steep turret
fuck aim was the tits
vocal shard
"Begone unholy creature"
That means no
steep turret
Love that little yellow dude
pure hemlock
ICQ was the OG for me for chat applications
umbral reef
@steep turret We both know its Bookpages and myface Fff what are you? 40 years old grandpa?
floral aspen
lol Oclac
floral aspen
Taking a deep dive into your adolescent past usually does lol
tiny ginkgo
It's quite traumatic
pure hemlock
Oh god I still cringe on the stuff I posted on Gaia online in middle school
tiny ginkgo
Haha. Yeah...
pure hemlock
Is it weird to want to strangle your younger self?
floral aspen
no, that's pretty normal
tiny ginkgo
Nope i think it's something we all share
steep turret
I was called grandpa. this is it. this is how I die
tiny ginkgo
Gramps
floral aspen
well you did kinda date yourself there old man
raven mulch
i wish i could slap my younger self across the face as hard as i could
steep turret
at least foxy grandpa, or something
floral aspen
anytime someone calls themselves foxy I think of furries
steep turret
oh no.
tiny ginkgo
Well you can be my silver fox
steep turret
I'm digging myself into a deep hole here kiddos
vocal shard
It's too late to get out now 😈
steep turret
I can't see the light. nothing but the abyss.
tiny ginkgo
Too bad you're married or I would jump into your hole
raven mulch
vocal shard
Ouh dear
steep turret
is this what being hit on feels like. where's my life alert bracelet
pure hemlock
Ummmmm I need an adult
steep turret
I am an adult? feelsbad
tiny ginkgo
Oh umm.. sorry
vocal shard
Oh my god
raven mulch
i'm physically an adult but mentally a toddler. does that count?
vocal shard
No ?
pure hemlock
No Mako because that's what I am
raven mulch
😔
steep turret
I'm an adult outside and on the inside. Where did I go wrong
tiny ginkgo
I'm an adult as well
floral aspen
you grew up, that's where you went wrong
tiny ginkgo
I guess it works out in the end
floral aspen
I'm an adult but I don't feel like it most of the time
steep turret
and here I thought I had the power of God and anime on my side
vocal shard
I'm a cat
There, what are you going to say now ?
tiny ginkgo
Well those are powers indeed but nothing compares to the power of desperate love
floral aspen
desperate love is scary
vocal shard
Nuuuh 😭
pure hemlock
I'm a slime lately
steep turret
I'm a 🦈
vocal shard
We're falling down guys
pure hemlock
Rimuru is cute
tiny ginkgo
We're falling into Dirk's hole
steep turret
that's a dark place. but it's cool I just renovated so I've got a hot tub and some sweet folding chairs
tiny ginkgo
That's a big hole you've got
steep turret
I wanna say thank you--but at the same time im concerned
steep turret
ain't got no water yet for the tub yet but we can Tony hawk pro skater 3 that shit
floral aspen
sounds like a blast
steep turret
hell yeah
cursive skiff
Damn how old are y’all? Kek I’m 20 you guys going back to like dinosaur technology
floral aspen
lets just say I'm closer to 30 than I am 20
cursive skiff
... Jesus, I’m with some farts...
vocal shard
24
cursive skiff
Well Jamie ain’t that old but. Wow figured vrchat would be a bunch of young’ins shit posting
vocal shard
Nah. The VR community is usually older because its expensive. The meme thing with knuckles and such was mostly kids tho
floral aspen
^
floral aspen
you can't imagine the level of autism and cancer
cursive skiff
One thing I need, that’s collision so I can slap people’s ears back and forth
vocal shard
I left because of it. Lol
cursive skiff
I don’t blame you back then musta been trying to talk to anyone was literal cancer
I wanna be able to fondle the ears man! Ahem
vocal shard
Walk into a room, and you get swarmed with sniff and licking sounds ...
cursive skiff
Sorry about that, my primal urges came out there
AHAHAHAHA
Damn
Kinda glad I got vr after that shit
floral aspen
don't forget the clicking and spitting
cursive skiff
Yep that too but hell its dead now so we are good mostly.
steep turret
I miss the knuckles. you see them now and it's like watching an animal that's endangered dying. feelsbad
cursive skiff
AHAHAHA
floral aspen
I haven't been on VRChat in a while, but last time I was on Ugandan Chungus was gaining traction
vocal shard
True
cursive skiff
Hell I scare them out of rooms by calling them dead memes so.
They are quickly dying out
steep turret
a knuckles hit on my wife once. was an experience.
vocal shard
The best thing about the knuckles was the anti knuckles avatars and memes
They are looking for the queen.
Factions at war with knuckles
cursive skiff
Jesus man, it really is a whole thing going around damn
I just make out with men and get horn rubs in front of my gf that’s fun hearing her twist and turn in her shoes
Well worth it
vocal shard
That's. .. weird
cursive skiff
AHAHAHA yeah it is, but it annoys her to no end so I keep doing it! #ihaveahealthyrelationshipiknow
vocal shard
Does it work in reverse when tables are turned though if she does it too?
cursive skiff
Well 1, she has the worst mic so no one can hear her and 2, she is poor and dosnt have hands!
So I can do it to her allll day long! And she basically can’t do shit back
It is OH SO FUN!
vocal shard
That's kind of an abusive thing if you ask me lol
heavy dawn
just read the last few posts and am confused and intrigued 🤣
cursive skiff
AHAHAHA
vocal shard
Rick, I'm genuinely concerned for you
steep turret
I'm pretty sure that's domestic abuse. solid
vocal shard
PLease stop for the love of fuck
cursive skiff
I enjoy fucking with my gf
steep turret
my wife gets made when vrthots harrass me
vocal shard
Yeah man he's right yah know..
You aren't above the law, you'll get Thanos snapped faster than you can say "Incognito Mode" if you keep doing that shit
Plus you wouldn't last 2 mins in jail you would get totally destroyed
Talking to Rick here, just to be clear
steep turret
fetishes are getting wild man
steep turret
maybe being too random backfired for him
vocal shard
Don't try to, it's a mess
I fail to understand how any of you girls are attracted to guys that are plain assholes honestly.. it's like complete lack of self respect.
I like to follow the golden rule: "Treat others the way you wanna be treated" but I put limits
I don't let people walk over me, but I try to be respectful, there's a balance
steep turret
good call
heavy dawn
@vocal shard Basically that. Or sometimes guys who are a bit of a jerk are actually nicer than someone who tries to put you on a pedistal. Less emotional manipulation, etc. There are many ways to be a jerk.
@vocal shard How kind of you 😄
vocal shard
Thanks
I hate asshats like that guy, honestly
Yeah i get you.. my last and my only relationship had me being abused. I put up with it because I couldn't see myself with anyone else so just accepted the way I was treated.. until she told me one day she didn't love me and she could always get someone richer.. that was us done.. didn't matter how she apologised.
steep turret
oof
vocal shard
She was into people for the money? Holy shit man, I'm so sorry
heavy dawn
@vocal shard Yikes! That's not okay at all.
vocal shard
That sounds rough, at least ya left her
heavy dawn
Like what Kindbot was saying, I think respecting peoples' agency and listening to their needs is important. Everyone's just a sentient being trying to get by. I like that book on Non-Violent Communication because it seems to be a really good foundation for figuring out how to work with people, even when it's difficult.
vocal shard
Yeah.. but I gave up my family in the UK.. and sold off all my equipment to move to the US where I lived under marital visa and eventually got my green card.. so much paperwork and so much time wasted.. it's why I'm still single I can't honestly afford literally to have that happen again.
steep turret
feelsbad man
vocal shard
FeelsBad Omega, you've been through a lot
heavy dawn
@vocal shard You're probably still hurting a little too. I hope you find the right person to open up to. Both my partner and I are pretty happy we met each other when we did. Otherwise we might not have been mature enough / dealt with our own issues enough to be as happy as we are.
vocal shard
I have respect for when people rant about things if they've been through a lot, it's a given right at that point
Well.. it's why I create content and the reason I dont go out.. I lost faith in people because of my experience and I know they say there's someone for everyone.. but it's honestly hard to believe.
@vocal shard I totally feel you there
heavy dawn
@vocal shard Boys growing up are told to stow their feelings away and not actually think about their own problems & it's so unhealthy. Yeah I love when guys feel they can express themselves. How else are you ever going to know what you want out of life? What your needs are? How to be happy?
vocal shard
The reason I quit VRChat as a stream game was because of the amount of complainers and whiners who didn't know shit, and didn't have any reason to complain. They were perfectly fine, just minorly inconveinienced. I was sick of it. I try to go out and help others, I don't shill my stream everywhere, I tried my best, but it just didn't work out
heavy dawn
Aww... I think you can be happy with people again Omega. I'm sorry you've had such a hard time.
vocal shard
Yea, I feel you lili, that type of mentality hurts people in the long run
icy atlas
Hello there. Are there any tips to avoid disconnection in vrchat after 1 minute in public world?
heavy dawn
@vocal shard If you're alone because you enjoy solitary activities that's great. Both my partner and I like solitary things. If you're alone because you're hurting and trying to avoid more hurt, it might be good to investigate that.
steep turret
you've gotta adapt and overcome, yeah. my dad was a shit person but he taught me how NOT to be so, aye.
vocal shard
Yeah, probably option two
heavy dawn
When I met her I basically didn't want to date anyone, but I think going out was the best thing I ever did.
vocal shard
I waited all my life to meet someone.. I didn't go off with anyone or even kiss a girl until I met her at 28 years old.. that year is the year I was also diagnosed with klinefelters and told it would be impossible for me to have children.. that I believe didn't do my marriage to her any favors.. so overall yeah I was in an abusive relationship I almost had a breakdown sue to emotional blackmail.. and finding out you can't have kids when you finally think this is now your life your complete in a sense.. only really to find out that your inferior.
steep turret
godamn
heavy dawn
Ouch! You've had a lot of big gut-punches in your life @vocal shard You're such a positive person despite it. That's a great thing!
vocal shard
I admire you @vocal shard
heavy dawn
The ability to have kids doesn't make a man. Or a dad.
vocal shard
Thanks.. well I've got a really great mum so.. she's everything to me and thankfully I've got her side of the family.
Just the fact that you're able to tell this in a public chat is just admirable
o7
There's not much to admire though everyone has a story.. I'm thankful that I'm not on the streets though that's how I think of it.. there's always someone worse off in life.
pure hemlock
This is beautiful. Maybe there is hope for humanity after all.
vocal shard
Sadly, it doesn't happen to everyone :c
steep turret
good way to think about it. could always be worse. helps ya build some moral/confidence
vocal shard
Well.. I have no fear of talking in crowds to random strangers it's just truly who I am.. I think life is fragile and experience defines who we are in the present while dictating our future.. so overall I enjoy speaking about life.. Doesn't matter how many people there is around me I'm always calm and I do speak on my emotions.. they help me retain focus.
You're awesome, keep it up like this
heavy dawn
(the kids are alright)
vocal shard
Hehe thanks guys appreciated.
cursive skiff
@heavy dawn if you wanna know more context I can dm you
I dunno I enjoy talking about life jobs experiences hobbies etc fun topics to talk about ya know?
vocal shard
@vocal shard If you ever need help feel free to DM me
I'll be glad
I don't live my life as a fake profile.. it's why you see me on display.. talking or pictures I am who I am.. I talk about fun things I mean.. I made fun land I'm all about fun and happy experiences.. but I'm also real.. I wear my heart on my sleeve.
cursive skiff
@vocal shard didn’t back off, I’m working break ended abruptly back to warming up in the truck for a bit
I enjoy life as is, but I really have fun with it and have zero worries about life
vocal shard
I make theme parks.. because I get honest to god happiness from seeing couples in public maps enjoying what I've created.. while at the same time it's a loving atmosphere and I do think to myself.. that's how things for me could of been. However.. just because that happened to me doesn't mean I will play on the negatives.. I do what I do because I enjoy seeing others happy.
cursive skiff
Dunno I’m here for the experience of vrchat and screwing with people
vocal shard
@vocal shard thanks man :) usually and I mean 99% of the time though it's people dming me for help with their maps lol.
Tbh I'm lucky I got my map finished.. everyday I have dms from random people asking for help, I do but man it takes a chunk of time away.
steep turret
make sure you focus on you tho bud
vocal shard
Yeah, that's right
cursive skiff
There’s a point yeah where you matter more then others too
Gotta find that balance
vocal shard
Oh I do.. it's just that well.. my life is literally the same thing on a day to day basis and so I feel that helping them breaks the day up
cursive skiff
Ah I feel you there. That’s where I’m at
steep turret
ah. fair enough my guy
cursive skiff
Life is slow right now
steep turret
Just don't let people take advantage of that kindness
steep turret
happened to me when I was a 'yes man' way back when. decided to say fuck that one day and no become my favorite word
vocal shard
Yeah I know.. it's happened though.. sigh but yeah it happened in vrchat I met someone a while back that did the bad on me.. you know what.. life is about love and relationships can't work with just lust.. but thing is some people seem to be so in love one minute and cold shoulder the next that in the end you just give up.. it's why I don't go to public vrchat anymore I've had my trust abused before and it's honestly something that gets to me because you see me for who I am here.. but my true self is emotional.. I play on my past I have massive regrets.. I make stuff to literally waste my time on earth.. still if I can make others happy by doing so I have nothing else to do so id rather simply do it and make people happy and yeah I get happiness back from seeing them happy so everybody wins.
I am emotional too
And I don't go into public for the same reasons
steep turret
hmmm. you seem like a good dude, Omega. but sometimes life can be a bitch to good people. That's why you gotta prove life wrong and kick it's ass. sounds like you're doing what you're doing for good reasons, and I can respect that. I like making people happy/laugh too. helping people is why I'm here I think. but yeah. just keep doin you dude. it'll turn around eventually
vocal shard
Well if it doesn't can't say I never tried in life that's the way I think really.
Doesn't feel like it'll turn around though
Well.. most of you go out I don't.. I was not diagnosed until 28.. so all my life they had me on hundreds of pills trial and error because they couldn't figure me out.. only later when they realised the mistake it was simply that.. so as for teenage youth I didn't have one.. I stayed alone and ill for the most part.. it's not been easy.. but from my time alone I developed agoraphobia.. then came extreme anxiety attacks and yeah.. went from there really. Overall life doesn't ever feel like it will turn around no but then again I never expected to meet someone to start with in life.. even knowing it was a he'll of a relationship.. well at least I got to go to America a land in which I honestly loved.
steep turret
nah fam you just gotta keep hope
vocal shard
I totally feel you omega..
In every sentence you say
I do its just it's going to be very hard for me to meet anyone in my current situation
It's also hard to keep hope
I'm 36 this year and you know the older you get the more you look back and think dam.. but still that's life I guess.
Well konix.. the way I see it is.. just be you and only you, yeah you can be whoever you want to be online sure.. but overall I feel that it's not actually you.. we all have goods and bads in life.. if we just truly be ourselves we won't have regrets because we was honest.
I know
But sometimes people ignores you when you're being yourself.
And so unconsciously you start creating a fake self to be "accepted"
Well I've been there in the past so I can agree.. but I'm not that way anymore.. I think that part of me stopped caring in the end.. I join friends world's on vrchat because these people I've known years some of them.. and I know I can rely on them.. people that give you the cold shoulder for being you are people you should just walk away from in life.. you don't need that stress it's pointless.
That's right
You should only keep up with the ones that accept your real self
Yeah, we are are around I'm not special in any way really I'm just past caring what others judge you as based on you being your true self.. nothing to hide because I really don't care what others think.. that won't be a fault on my end.. the fault is down to the person who judges you who don't even take the time to get to know you.
Exactly,
Feeling guilty for those persons is such a waste
It's dinner time so I will be back later.. perhaps then my world will be public.. it's about time.. actually for all I know it's public now I'm on my phone so I haven't checked lol
Hiya
Hey
livid gull
hello everyone
vocal shard
Hi toasty
livid gull
hello Jamie, How are you doing?
steep turret
what's good peeps
vocal shard
(Emote>Wave)
subtle prawn
livid gull
hiya Konix, Unidelta and Silhk
i'm kind of sick Jamie, i was on vrchat but everyone was in privates again =_=;
vocal shard
peak glacier
had a convo at 2am with a squid with emojis as tentacles about his divorce
livid gull
uhh... O_o
heavy dawn
🌈 VR is a whole new world
... and that, is the Killean experience! [insert red panda pic... oh hey, there's @livid gull 's icon]
heavy dawn
What do you like?
cursive skiff
When you do find people that actually chill about serious topics it’s really fun
stoic halo
finding chill people in general is
cursive skiff
Nice yeah.
Like my right hand man, if I need rubs he got me, and also he is cool to talk with
livid gull
i like sculpting stuff, i might practice some.... kind of want to find a good reference
heavy dawn
@vocal shard @vocal shard The agoraphobia thing is reminding me that I read something about ADHD recently that there's part of it about rejection dysphoria supposedly being WAY MORE INTENSE and I FEEL THIS HARD. Rejection has always felt like a panic attack for me. Full body freezing up fight or flight response.
But I have always made up coping mechanisms for my weirdness throughout my life. Life hax FTW
I also just really enjoy being weird.
livid gull
Just be you, i don't know you well since we just met but you seem interesting and nice 😛
heavy dawn
I basically haven't asked a single person out since I was in elementary school and was rejected and laughed at. In public I always think people are laughing at me but rationally I know they don't even notice me or care. 😓
But I keep going out and doing things so it just happens that other people like me enough to ask me out instead. I think it's really unfair that I don't make that effort myself but it feels so paralyzing.
cursive skiff
Eh I’ve kinda lost the feeling for relationships myself been through a few rough breakups so... Not feeling all that great and trusting of people
Which is why I mess with my gf so much right now just to have fun and enjoy life.
heavy dawn
Opening myself up was so worth it though. Deeply in love with my partner.
vocal shard
@heavy dawn The worst is when you get used to that
heavy dawn
@vocal shard That's one of the reasons the beginnig of Up is instant tears for me. Our relationship is kind-of like that, except I'm not a stick-in-the-mud. Just so very involved in each other. It will be VERY SAD the day one of us dies. But that melancholy feeling can be a source of joy too. Enjoying the memory.
vocal shard
So love is a real thing then ?
heavy dawn
Well, what I'm talking about is a situation where we both really care about each other, and want to make the relationship work. So we are both interested in compromising in order to reach a situation we both want. Also we support each other and say encouraging things to each other each day. It makes it so the days when it's hard, or boring, or frustrating to get by. I think the other thing is lust. We have that too, but also the state of being interested in the needs of each other.
vocal shard
Woah, didn't know this thing was real @heavy dawn
timid musk
For the first time in a few months I was able to hang out with people like I usually do. Im still pretty restricted because of where I live and what I can afford internet wise but it's nothing I wasn't used to dealing with. Got to hang out with friends and meet new ones it was great. This last update was a good one for me allowing me to do what I always used to do.
still niche
Relationships just happen. Just like life they are random and unexpected. The more you socialize the more likely you'll meet someone very few people stay or end up single.
heavy dawn
@timid musk Yay! I'm so glad! ^-^
still niche
No point in worrying.
vocal shard
I'm not worrying, i just don't believe in love
still niche
Especially if your a gamer. All you do Is talk to different people with similar interests.
cursive skiff
@vocal shard love depends on how cynical you are,
still niche
Love exists. It's all around you.
heavy dawn
I would say to make a -really- happy relationship you have to figure out how to 1) identify what it is you need in any moment of your life or if you have needs that are not being met, and 2) be able to communicate what you need in a way that isn't insulting to others. If you can do those two things, you can work through almost any rough spot.
cursive skiff
It really depends.
heavy dawn
Now I'm thinking of that Haddaway song
WHAT IS LOVE? BABY DON'T HURT ME. DON'T HURT ME. NO MORE~ 🤣
vocal shard
I thought people only got into relationships to have sex/kids so.. 🤷
cursive skiff
In my eyes eh, love is a thing that goes away after you perform adult actions I’ll leave it at that for sfw reasons
still niche
I'm always singing that song!
I can't get it out of my noggin
Those are s***** desires not love lol.
heavy dawn
Especially after that Let's Play of Don't eat the mushroom.
steep turret
dunno me and the wife just clicked. minute I saw her for th first time I went 'fuck I'mma bout to marry this gal:
heavy dawn
@steep turret aww!
steep turret
and my swinging days were over, lol
still niche
heavy dawn
That's huge... being in the right time of your life to be right for each other.
still niche
Congratz
vocal shard
I'm still confused, love exist ? Like it really do ?
steep turret
she's a huge booger and I love her to pieces
still niche
I'll be honest it's really hard to find someone you really love 100% without having to compromise
heavy dawn
You can like all the same things and be besties but if you aren't like... interested in learning about this other person and what makes them happy, and sharing yourself too, then it's just a temporary thing.
still niche
So congratz
vocal shard
I know that love exists.. I experienced it when I was much younger.. there was one girl from primary school I loved.. I was only a kid but I always thought of her when I went to seniors.. never had contact after the switch.. when I was teens I thought about her all the time.. and so I looked her up online because I had a dream about her the night before.. the dream turned out to be an ill omen.. as I found out that on that night she died in a car accident.. she was the driver and she had a head on collision with a guy he was killed outright too.. all I had to go on was a why do I always get these feelings or dreams when it's to late.. I'm. Not saying I could of changed fate but I don't truly know why we dream of people only to find out they have passed later... it's pretty cruel if you ask me.
heavy dawn
ToT
still niche
Sounds like a reddit story 🤔
vocal shard
I'm really happy for you guys though, You've found someone that makes you happy and all.
I think i won't ever be able to understand that, and only because of things that happend
heavy dawn
Omega! I want to give you a hug man. That's so sad.
dreamt about being angry about parents being dead before my dad died when I was 12. I don't believe in preminitions. It's just a co-incidence. But that was weird.
vocal shard
It's no reddit story.. her name was Vicki coe.. she was on a website called gone to soon... her mother was in school with my mother.. they was friends and I didn't know until later.
covert linden
@vocal shard you will finf someone who too can make you hapy
still niche
Konix this might be harsh, but man up. Live life and don't think about it. Relationships are so common you won't be saying that for long. It'll just happen.
vocal shard
- happy
covert linden
Its called a typo
vocal shard
Typo needs to be corrected
covert linden
My phones positioned weirdly bc my chargers broken ma
vocal shard
- man
still niche
Mine too =P
covert linden
Mostppl have the brain capasity to read past my typos lol
vocal shard
@still niche Man up ?
still niche
If you'd lady then I'm sorry.
heavy dawn
I think xraygamer was trying tough love. But it's true. I think if you keep meeting new people, and if you open up yourself, eventually it will be a happy situation for you.
vocal shard
Lil thanks but honestly this is not the first odd thing I've had happen.. I believe I do know why this is.. in a sense even as a kid I had odd things happening to me my parents took notice and couldn't work it out.. I've had mediums tell me that I have an ability.. I'm not a spiritual person I've always put my faith in science.. but my experiences have shaped me.. just like us all really.
dapper stump
Question is how many times can you get fucked over before you give up on those happy thoughts :p its rough if youve been unlucky
vocal shard
Beauty ?
covert linden
Ok but try having that mindset when you have depression.
Yes thats the mindset of someone who is PAST. The depression and are able to just think past however depression is a pit thats not as simple as hope to get past
still niche
I would rather get screwed over by people I wouldn't ment to be with. The faster you get through these Relationships the quicker you can move on and find the one
vocal shard
Beauty is in honesty.. on the surface is only skin deep.. a person's mentality is far more to consider than the look of a person.
heavy dawn
@dapper stump It sounds like you've been through a lot too. Toxic positivity doesn't help either, I know. (When people say man up or just get through it, it sometimes doesn't help address the actual problem.)
What does help: learn more about yourself. Learn why you feel certain ways about certain things. Maybe talk about that with people you trust. If you know yourself, and what you need. That's the only way to break out of a self-made prison of isolating ones self.
vocal shard
The real question is: Can everyone recovers from stuff like this ?
covert linden
Being depressed is a terrible pit and feeling of hopelessness and lonliness, And if you have it you probably shouodnt even be dating because itll destroy you further.. Its not a simple recovery qnd so its not just manning up. Ok you can br happy good for you but people with that mental condition cant say the same, becausw thars what the illness prohibits.
Not everyone can recover from things thats why theres ptsd
still niche
You know I met a girl that I talked to like 2 days into vrchat, so I don't see the difficulty in just meeting people, you know.
covert linden
Ok you dont but theres also peoplr with severe anxiety
steep turret
anyone can recover from anything. just takes the will to do so
heavy dawn
Shotgun method works eventually.
vocal shard
And if you loose the will ?
steep turret
don't lose it
still niche
Konix, yes. Why? Because everyone goes through it.
heavy dawn
@vocal shard Well then, I hope we can be friendly enough to help you have the will.
steep turret
easy as pie if you're determined enough
covert linden
Just because you can do something doesnt mean everyone can, its the hard reality. I went from introvert to extrovert extremely quickly and now im social but you get those people who hide wanting to talk
What if youre too afraid of fixing the problems tho
I know I could work past my ptsd and be ok but im afraid to not hav ptsd for my own safety
still niche
Then make the effort. Things won't change unless things change. Hard but true.
steep turret
very well said