umbral oracle
Ingame floor being wrong is due to vrchat's attempt to correct for avatar body proportions
if you have long legs you might be in luck as many MMD models tend to have exaggerated legs. I would suggest following this video (as posted in #full-body-tracking ) for properly proportioning your avatar: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IqUVFuSD5a4
velvet quarry
Try the X or Y Bot default avatars, as I believe they have the best human proportions by default.
tacit plank
I will try, thanks! I think it's my playspace itself though
umbral oracle
you can try room setup again just to check. it's quick
but I thought the same until I found the reason was vrchat's response to incorrectly proportioned avatars
also check that your ingame height is correct
twin jacinth
I have the same problem with the floor being too high up but i think my bases are 2M above the ground
is there a fix to this? pretty annoying when you can't reach down to certain items
tacit plank
I've done the room setup a few times already, it's always above the ground
finite kraken
do they email u if your world has become public?
umbral oracle
(for correctly proportioned avatars, it should be correct...for incorrectly proportioned you may also be able to go with 4-5 feet and you will then need to adjust your playspace y offset each play session in advanced settings. quite the can of worms to open)
velvet quarry
I would try one of the verified proportioned avatars first to check if proportions is your issue before messing with your playspace
tacit plank
My theory is that the playspace itself is 2 meters tall, and since the lighthouses are at 2.2 meters, the playspace will float
stone current
i think its a problem bc u can either have
umbral oracle
since you know already how to upload content I highly recommend trying to upload your own propertioned avatar. floor will be correct if you get it right. Please try with X-Bot and Y-Bot default avatars to see if it is better
stone current
inaccurate tracking or u can have inaccurate movement
bc if u base tracking on percentages
then hand and foot meeting not same in vr
umbral oracle
again--vrchat shifts the ingame floor based on which avatar you have
stone current
stuff like that
velvet quarry
@finite kraken The VRChat team does not contact you if a world gets made public, but you are able to check its status in this public spreadsheet:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vShHzuZzQwULCu7KmWFGMj640oNRYH-M_N1BD30nRF5F9eqGYcLF0E-CTf48RE8qzAzDmv9eqJsdpma/pubhtml?gid=1122762578&single=true
stone current
but if u base it on actual data
it is more close to what ur doing irl
but in turn has issues with messed up proportions
tacit plank
I likely set it up wrong though, sometimes I have to tab seated play twice to get the correct height
umbral oracle
For non full body it can also be normal to have floor wrong. seated play has no effect if you are full body.
tacit plank
I will try the bot avatars though, thanks!
finite kraken
when i first got the spread sheet i boomarked the page and when i wen't back to check it i got the submit a world soo thank u for the link
stone current
yea for non full body i just used steamvr floor fix
and it seemed to put my height about right for almost all avatars
umbral oracle
feel free to post in #full-body-tracking - some more knowledgeable people frequent that group. But please consider uploading your own avatar and trying Kung's tutorial
twin jacinth
i use the floor fix as well but it never puts it at the right height
It's always 10-20CM over the ground
tacit plank
Some updates ago, I'd float above my avatar until enabling seated play, which would fix it (despite me standing up), it's probably still configured wrong even though it seems to work
umbral oracle
which makes sense because most avatars are probably designed for people 5-6 feet tall at most
so your floor will be 5-6 feet below your head
or something like that--the details are more complicated . can't say I fully understand
it's something to do with ratio of arm length to hip-to-head distance
cold talon
Just make your irl legs longer ez
tacit plank
Being 10-20cm above ground is not a problem, but my trackers will be in that space, so I'm wondering if it would even work..
Thanks for the info btw! I do have long legs as well
umbral oracle
it will work, but not well, especially with such a big diference
stone current
umbral oracle
most people have the problem that their legs float off teh ground when they crouch and the knees are way off. you will have the opposite issue that you sink into the ground
stone current
yea set the height appropriately but if u change it u run into that issue
umbral oracle
if you want to use other people's avatars, you will have to uncheck lock Y in Advanced Settings and regularly holding the menu button to shift your playspace up and down as needed, as well as messing with your ingame height going as far down as 5 feet maybe. And if you do all this you will have tug-of-war where your arms will literally pull your ingame head to the wrong spot causing you to see the back of your head and look like you are leaning
stone current
wait where is that
umbral oracle
I do wish vrchat would internally reproportion avatars (basically scale specific bones in the armature) so as to be more accommodating to people who are not able to upload their own content
stone current
in steamvr?
umbral oracle
https://github.com/OpenVR-Advanced-Settings/OpenVR-AdvancedSettings/releases - the latest version from a month ago has this feature
tacit plank
Oh cool, thanks! And couldn't they use the default avatars tracking, and then make the ingame avatar move the same way?
stone current
and move playspace so that ur at eye level
tacit plank
Kind of like how I imagen it would be to pilot a mech
stone current
yea but theres an issue
umbral oracle
since you are literally a walking contradiction, it will be up to you to decide how to express each of your body poses most precisely
stone current
currently its based off of real world locations
so if u grab ur foot u grab ur foot
if u don't do that u get more accurate rotations
but most of the time u can no longer grab ur foot on both sides
so its a tradeoff
umbral oracle
you will not have it perfect: the default floor height chosen by vrchat works pretty well actually despite floor being at the wrong height... but if you intend to lie down you might want to change it to prefer arm tug-of-war over incorrect floor height
tacit plank
Hmm, yeah, I guess things would be off. Oh well, I will just have to get a job
stone current
mindshow does the proportions thing for example
tacit plank
Then I can affort to risk it
stone current
when u move ur arms around it moves characters arms same way
umbral oracle
oh you don't have FBT yet?
stone current
as opposed to using actual location
umbral oracle
You know how to upload content - so if you upload your own avatars and fix them you will be fine in all cases
tacit plank
Nah, just considering it. Just Vive VR for now
umbral oracle
ah ok
tacit plank
Yeah, I have like 150 avatars
umbral oracle
it's worth it if you like to dance or interact on a slightly more intimate level: lie down next to other people, sit on the floor around a campfire. Dancing is literally the thing that sold vrchat to me so getting FBT was a given
umbral oracle
ah re-upping 150 would be tough, but you can still do the old tricks of messing with ingame height and dragging the playsapce up/down when you need to use those... and have your go-to- avatars be correct proportions
stone current
like 3 or 4 years
umbral oracle
oh all of our current vr tech is going to be obsolete in a few years.
stone current
yea
umbral oracle
we just keep moving with the times. that's what bleeding edge is about
umbral oracle
but it will hopefully also get way cheaper as it becomes more and more commoditized
stone current
so in a few years (if its not overly expensive and its supported) it would be probably cheaper and better than vive trackers
and would also be usable for people who arent using vive
so that would be cool
u know what would be really cool also
tacit plank
I really want it already
stone current
if u could resize limbs to proportions in vrchat
tacit plank
Kinda poor though
stone current
like u push a button and it automatically does a bit of proportional scaling
umbral oracle
no offense to htc, but I have my doubts vive will be a thing in a few years..as much as I hope and pray oculus does not take the cake
tacit plank
Also, my avatars are lolis, adult proportions would look bad
stone current
yea vive trackers gona be obselete
umbral oracle
lolis are pretty good for people in 5-6 foot bodies actually
umbral oracle
better than most mmd avatars. I encourage you to try a TDA based mmd model. those are really tall and might just work for you
stone current
can also just
move the bones down in blender or something
and use some sort of measuring tool to compare
or image
high precision with plugins for unity
umbral oracle
I think the issue for caffeine is that x 150 times
stone current
vrchat devs: 
umbral oracle
which I understand...also might be hard if those same avatars are in public avatar worlds
tacit plank
I doubt you've even seen most of my avatars, they don't use common bases
umbral oracle
you can't really tweak your public avatars to match your body and nobody else's
tacit plank
I'm fine with updating some avatars though
stone current
unless proportion scaling was a thing
umbral oracle
oh I mean more as a demonstration
I don't quite understand why they can't do proportion scaling...unless it breaks meshes that are already rigged
stone current
ye
umbral oracle
they use armature scaling for other things like making the head invisible
stone current
it would be slight adjustments
umbral oracle
seemed to work fine in the YAMI Funhouse
stone current
and could change percentages
but problem is that
would also have to resize whole armature
cuz root would need to have new offset
umbral oracle
no, only bone structures that need it
umbral oracle
root is hips, so let that be the origin. then you tweak Spine length, then tweak Left and Right Arm
stone current
or both legs and arms relative to hip and spihe
umbral oracle
you counteract the scale change at the next level of the heirarchy
rotund surge
What time is that event going to be for Europe?
umbral oracle
basically the same things Kung's video suggests
stone current
scale armature X and scale everything in armature (but legs) to 1/X
at least the Y component
queen mango
@rotund surge Which event?
umbral oracle
@rotund surge If you intend to join events,I encourage you to visit the pinned messages in #events and join the discord there. Events don't always contain enough information to join them in this discord
stone current
the bots embeds show local time don't they
umbral oracle
Yes basically Wulfe
rotund surge
It says 2:00am UTC what time is it in EU 🤔
umbral oracle
I believe so because they use a local url fetch or script to get the time
stone current
its a google embed
so its put inside the calandar html
where it grabs the embed info from
rotund surge
I’m in work I would google that if I was at home on PC lol
orchid lance
I imagine those people who use just images as avatars are basically like those weird roblox rp server things where you just load a random picture you found on roblox
stone current
u mean like the 2D MLP rp thing
orchid lance
Yea
queen mango
Philippine time is around 5:04 PM here, Jug
stone current
theres only one that i found funny
its a loli on one side and when they turn around its the to catch a predator dude
best avatar 2019
orchid lance
I miss old school roblox before it became just money and censor every thing
queen mango
@stone current The literal trap 
stone current
characters more realistic and customizable
rotund surge
It’s 10:05am in Slovakia lol. If it’s going to be 2:00am (british time) that event then no event for me lol 😭😂
stone current
more tools and better lighting engines
queen mango
Oof..
orchid lance
How that better
umbral oracle
I kind of want to make a canny on the armature scaling thing...would be really nice if vrchat took care of scaling automatically to fit users of all body sizes. The hard part will be a calibration system to know where you attached your trackers...especially the hip tracker since some people put it higher, lower, on the side etc. But then they could do calibration once globally rather than per avatar switch
stone current
and its becoming more of an
queen mango
It will be around 7:00-9:00 AM when it starts..
undone ruin
Are there any plans on supporting Linux?
cold talon
Roblox is getting better
Or not
umbral oracle
When roblox has shader support...
orchid lance
I want a version of roblox where your allow to say what ever you want or just a more teen central roblox because the censor ship is annoying
umbral oracle
like user shaders? or like they provide some nice standard/toon lighting and let you pick from a dropdown
stone current
its because its meant for young people
umbral oracle
well that also allows it to be inclusive
stone current
they also get money from child friendly sponsorships
cold talon
13 plus, rated E for everyone 
stone current
they want it to be accessible for young audiences but still a very powerful platform for development
which is fun bc u get to make money off of lil 8 y/o without paying a cent
orchid lance
I'm not saying remove censor ship I saying add a teen mode to it where it isn't censor ship hell
stone current
totally worth it
all of it is mostly free like if u wanna make a game it doesnt cost anything
and theres a exchange rate for robux now
so u can convert earnings off lil boyes into $$$$$$$
cold talon
If there was a teen mode all 8yrolds would enable it
umbral oracle
When you have 8 year olds in roblox with rainbow outlines, backward hats and color separation screenshakes, then I will declare vrchat dead
stone current
lmao
cold talon
stone current
roblox supports vr but nobody likes roblox vr
cold talon
Implying vrc isn't dead already
stone current
its terrible support.. really really bad
tiny ginkgo
There is a lot of people like that Lyuma, for some reason. Like those overly colored backwards caps with guns and tons of weird shit going on
stone current
yea it is
umbral oracle
vrchat is a precious place. it's doing well and growing. but there's always risk that some mass market platform with poor but extant vr support and limited customizability will gobble up the market
stone current
unless u make ur own little controller for vr in roblox studio
bc the way roblox handles it is awful
u can still rewrite how most of it looks tho
just a lot of effort that i dont wanna do
cold talon
Second life vr 
orchid lance
Remember when that roblox animator wasn't known as a pedo (forgot his name he had a big red head tho) but as a roblox animator
errant vault
Rogur
cold talon
orchid lance
How does one import roblox models to vrchat
umbral oracle
see, second life is powerful but I feel like it suffers from the same customization problems other platforms have. also they try to squeeze everyone into a single euclidean plane which limits construction possibilities (not to mention making people pay Linden Dollars for increased Avatar Bounds)
stone current
not cut and sliced up like in the game
second life is laggy as all hell
but people have virtual jobs and land there
tiny ginkgo
I read that as Roblox esports wulfe..
stone current
wat
tiny ginkgo
stone current
bork
orchid lance
I just want import random homestuck models to use
stone current
ive imported a rovlox avatar before
errant vault
Make them
umbral oracle
Have you looked on deviantart? they have lots of that type of content though maybe not in a good format
orchid lance
But unity is confusing to me
The whole importing models to vrchat is confusing to me
umbral oracle
you should be using Blender to build the model and get it rigged properly. have you gone through blender?
errant vault
Tutorials are FREE on YouTube
orchid lance
Uhhh no... Haven't used blender..
stone current
heres my character, i payed for it without spending a dime on robux or roblox at all... https://www.roblox.com/users/161815003/profile
earned it all through devving and when i used to trade
stone current
its cool tho
how u can spend no money at all on it
and u can still earn money
but if u want actual money from it
u gotta wait till u have enough robux to cover the cost of OBC
orchid lance
I wasted a lot of money on roblox tbh.... When I was young
stone current
buy OBC, and then trade ur money
u get profitssss
yea no i never used any of my money
i get paid for making stuff and from game profits from games i co owned or owned
orchid lance
Night
stone current
and bc i don't get enough to pay back for OBC
i just spend on stuff in game
or on sound assets etc
orchid lance
Also I met 2 of my friends on roblox
umbral oracle
@orchid lance please find the original model or import the fbx into blender rather than unity to start with. if you are able to do that then people might be able to help you in #avatars-2-general
stone current
🐶
umbral oracle
skipping blender is going to cause you trouble and leave you without the tools to fix it
stone current
yea and also
i wonder if u can fix material combiner
to apply the materials so when using .blend import it doesnt not use them
orchid lance
I actually have 2 friends that I made on roblox when I was a kid and we're still friend
umbral oracle
using blend import directly into unity?
stone current
yep
umbral oracle
I've never had that work
errant vault
Use FBX
umbral oracle
just make fbx use meters and import at 1.0 scale
sullen escarp
.blend is slower iirc cause unity has to convert it to fbx internally upon import
umbral oracle
I find blend files to be huge compared to fbx, and I usually keep them outside my unity project
stone current
otherwise i like it
yea but it only does that once
once its imported all updates are much faster
and i don't need a fbx if i have a blend
umbral oracle
anyway can't really help you but I find materials to be wrong a lot of the time even when importing fbx.
stone current
i just delete the original files and use the blebd usually
umbral oracle
you just need to set the shaders and material properties yourself
stone current
no thats not the issue
umbral oracle
or you're saying it has the wrong number of slots or something?
stone current
if i use material combiner for atlasing
it doesnt actually use those
it uses the pre-combined materials and submeshes
so even if i replace them
it won't work
and i have no idea why
when i export to fbx it works
but not as .blend
everything else is fine for me tho
umbral oracle
that sounds wrong, espeically given blender is able to import it fine
it does leave the old mesh and materials in the data block
stone current
yea i can re open blender
cold talon
Oh you have unity opening the blend file directly? Doesn't it import the light and camera too?
stone current
and see it there
umbral oracle
but unity should be looking at the scene graph
umbral oracle
you can delete the light and camera from the default scene
umbral oracle
well blender import would have to work first...it always freezes for me
umbral oracle
I end up killing blender process and move on
vocal shard
vrchat working fine for everyone?
stone current
u will see every time u open blender its there
but in unity not using those materials
using the old ones
i got it to work only one time
umbral oracle
if you expand the blend file does it show all the meshes?
stone current
thats probably bc i messed with material layout in blender
umbral oracle
it might just not know which one to use...the old data blocks are still there
stone current
they werent there in blender
like how u can select materials u previously used
when adding a new one
umbral oracle
also if you are stuck go and Purge All from Orphan Data
umbral oracle
(dropdown on top right next to Search, -> Orphan Data -> Purge All appears on the right side of the search box but usually hidden so drag the right section of blender bigger
stone current
ok I'll try that next time i get on can u dm me that
umbral oracle
stone current
is orphan data basically
data without a reference to any particular object
also it doesnt import the atlased materials only the old ones, idk if related
umbral oracle
it's stuff not used by any object, so like old meshes, old materials
stone current
but yea ima try that next tim
cuz i really really
do not like using fbx
imo like
errant vault
Rogur
stone current
1 it an extra file 2 not in same place as my blender file 3 i need to have copies of all textures and etc so blender and unity can see them
what i do with blender files however
1 in with all other assets 2 uses textures directly from the folder 3 easier to edit and update imo
umbral oracle
yeah..my workflow sucks atm too. I don't have an answer for this
stone current
like if i wanna edit something
umbral oracle
I'll often end up manually copying texture files around
errant vault
I still stick with fbx
stone current
i can just open in blender in where my assets are
stone current
with fbx i have to go searching around my vrc folder
errant vault
What if your unity project gets corrupted
umbral oracle
it makes sense---just the reality is most people use fbx so you might hit extra issues with blend
o... didn't even know that was an option
safe prism
it keeps my unity project clean
stone current
if it gets corrupted ur assets likely arent the issue
umbral oracle
though I do like the ability to easily pop open a texture and edit it
safe prism
and i can just re-export from blender
umbral oracle
hmm true
stone current
ye
umbral oracle
nice idea. I'll have to check that out
stone current
i just never do that so i can edit them
safe prism
you can still
stone current
i make everything easily accessible and in the same folders
i hate having to spread my stuff around everywhere
safe prism
unity extracts them out
stone current
so i prefer the .blend workflow
safe prism
but it's just not centralized
i've never done it centralized though, i make so many variants on things ;w;
umbral oracle
first I have to solve the fact that I save a new blend file for every little edit I make. Many of my avatars accumulate 20-30 blend files on them
I'm the type of person who will use a new save slot for every event in a game
stone current
cant u just save 1 or 2
sullen escarp
i do that with my blends too
umbral oracle
well I've had to go back before and fix something from an earlier file
like oops I removed doubles on the face
stone current
o i usually save about 4
and if everything is a-ok
i delete most of the backups
i typically never screw anything up
so its just force of habit
umbral oracle
ah true, like I will know when something is ok. but when I used to decimate my models to ridiculous levels to hit the 20k poly limit I would often mess somethig up. All those hours I spent eliminating stuff polygon by polygon
sullen escarp
stone current
oof
all mt avatars now have only
1 blender file, 1 scene, textures folder, materials folder, all source assets and data backed up or removed entirely
umbral oracle
😃 that's pretty clean
stone current
i usually keep the links around in like a note in blender tho
or i throw the models into cloud storage
umbral oracle
you would not want to see my Unity Project (singular)
stone current
bci don't want to waste my memory
median basalt
For models that I do edits on I have too many blend files
stone current
i also use 1 unity project
median basalt
Like 15 on my recent projects
stone current
but the characters are sorted by date
median basalt
I have every model in a separate Unity project
sullen escarp
why would you make a new project just for a model?
stone current
must be a pain to load lol
sullen escarp
i don't want to know how many VRCSDKs you have lol
median basalt
@sullen escarp so I can mess around in one project without breaking everything else
sullen escarp
ooooof
stone current
u also waste a lot of memory
sullen escarp
yeah but like
median basalt
Svelsien broke like 10 of his avatars because he kept them all in the same scene and the same project
stone current
every project has tis own assets and imports
safe prism
and also if you name it (or anything) starting with a ., unity won't import it
median basalt
Yeah I know, but my folder structures are unorganized enough as it is
stone current
yee
median basalt
I have all of my public Touhou avatars in the same project though
stone current
make a backup of the project too in case it does explode
i wish u could link assets tho
like instead of having assets in the project
u create a linked folder so all of them share assets
median basalt
I messed around with Final IK and Playmaker in the past. Those projects are now pretty broken. If I kept that in one "main" project, it would be broken too.
stone current
or so that they don't break when corruption happens
umbral oracle
okano, no idea. What I do is
File -> Save As -> kotori_new_hybrid_halloween6fixweight2.blend (actual file name I pulled out)
median basalt
Playmaker adds editor keywords that break the VRChat SDK
stone current
lol
sullen escarp
i'm sitting comfortably in "New Unity Project 5", but i don't bother separating anything lol
stone current
i just save with simple names
median basalt
If I make a new version of an avatar with the same model I generally keep it in the same project though
stone current
project: "VRChat 2019"
folders:
...various assets
"Avatars"
"some date identifier"
"name identifier"
charactername.blend (for open recent in blender)
charactername.scene
"Materials"
"Textures"
stuff like that
and thats all for just 1 avatar
nothing else stored on my hard drive
i say that bc cloud
bc holy hell the sources for these are so large
all like dozens of mmd and fbx and blend scenes and unused textures and whatnot
median basalt
Oh right
stone current
they took up so much space that i just shipped them 2 the cloud
median basalt
I have a sample project with the VRChat SDK, Cubed's and Noenoe Shaders, Dynamic Bone and Muscle Animation Editor pre-imported
I just copy that project and rename it if I need a new project
stone current
ya but if u wanna edit old thing
gotta re update them cuz not linked assets like i said
median basalt
Currently working on my own PBR Surface Shader in amplify, currently it supports all the features of Standard but I wonder what I should add to it
Yep, some unity 5.6 projects I had to delete the SDK and reimport
median basalt
Standard has heightmaps I think
stone current
does urs have a option for it
median basalt
Yeah
median basalt
You mean emission?
stone current
so not just the glow in the dark effect
umbral oracle
scrolling emission on standard :0
stone current
no emissive glow
median basalt
Oh, you mean like extra bloom?
stone current
like a neon brick in the dark has glow aorund it
median basalt
That would be a bit out of scope I think, that's up to the world to decide
Forced bloom is a bit out of my skill range
stone current
bc it looks more natural than just glowing in the dark
look what the MT Glow shader does
umbral oracle
xiexe's has emission only for low lighting (well doesn't work for spot/point based setups)
stone current
and try to see
median basalt
MK Glow seemed identical to emission for me
stone current
no its not i think
when i use emission on standard it doesnt glow for me
not as much as MK Glow does
umbral oracle
you could always add support for toon ramps 😃
stone current
or lighting ramps in general
median basalt
On top of the PBR stuff?
Noenoe PBR has that but I'm not sure how useful it would be. I like the idea though
stone current
instead of lighting being min(castingmagic,directionaldot)
median basalt
I tried making my own toon shader once, it looked amazing in Unity but was always super dark or super bright ingame, it also trusted the light color a little too much
umbral oracle
I think xiexe's was designed around that concept: surface shader designed for toon. kind of joking but you can still try it out
median basalt
So I'm sticking to PBR
stone current
it would interpolate along the ramp by that value
median basalt
Don't have to do the lighting myself
umbral oracle
makes sense. good to keep things simple
median basalt
I think I can do a Half Lambert with toon ramps though
Or whatever they call it these days
stone current
u can do phong also
median basalt
The toon ramping Noenoe does
stone current
i think phong is basically just a dot product between normal and lighting direction
median basalt
Ideally I'd like the toon ramp direction to follow the light direction, but fallback if there is no light
stone current
also used when doing direct specular shine
with hardness (phongexponent) and intensity (phongboost)
i think its like
diffuse*dotclamp + specular*intensity*dotclamp^hardness
something like that
thats what i used for my own raytracer thingy
it was pretty fast but also i think it was a bit too expensive
it used CSG but it would always compute all shapes regardless of their data
median basalt
Thanks for the tips
stone current
dotclamp idk how u do it in shaders
but pseudocode basically like lightingdir:dot(normaldir)*-.5+.5
bc when light is facing normal its 1
and facing completely away (parallel) is 0
vocal shard
Do video playing worlds allow urls/videos from places other than youtube?
rough pulsar
The player backend is youtube-dl so anything that supports should be playable, at least if the site serves a video using codecs unity can handle.
vocal shard
Thanks for the info Gallium
errant vault
Oh
quiet river
@vocal shard some do yes I have seen tons of other video sites work.
vocal shard
Thanks Fankie
My friend kept trying more places and I think did manage to get one other site working
queen mango
Feels like I need to catch a breather
Btw.. incase for returning VRC'ers, there's a new map where you dodge red boxes..
dark narwhal
Name pls?
covert linden
Doki we literally went there together xD
marsh reef
when you fix your code and it works 
queen mango
Woah now.. that's a Pepe emoji you're using..
Someone in this Discord didn't want them here
stone current
if u get a job in moving u do that also
that game kinda annoying tho
the levels difficulty is so bad
like u get a medium level then a lvl 999 crook impossible level
marsh reef
no pepe?
queen mango
Yes, no Pepe
twin jacinth
#rules
16. No emoji, icons or pictures/memes that are widely associated with hate speech, or are highly inappropriate (such as Pepe)
stone current
000f
marsh reef
pepe is inappropriate?
stone current
do not whip out the pepe in this server!!11!1!1
twin jacinth
Yes, and it's a rule you have the risk of being kicked if you do use it being aware of the rule
stone current
use ugandan pepe minecraft frog
marsh reef
i still dont understand why its inappropriate?
stone current
hillary clintoad
marsh reef
??
stone current
i like how bc pepe was put on racist meme it was made hate speech
like if no other mem was put to racism and the like
but ye legaly a hate symbol now
umbral reef
npc
marsh reef
so the government says its a hate symbol and it's illegal?
stone current
adl does
queen mango
Technically, some NGOs declared it illegal to use the emoji now.
stone current
ye its just established
queen mango
It had to be done
stone current
its not enforcable
marsh reef
is the adl a government organization?
queen mango
NGO..
stone current
it illegal to own drug / non persp meds but not to be high
unless dui but yea it not directly enforcable
it just is a hate symbol now
marsh reef
sorry didnt know i was breaking the law
queen mango
Well, this is just your first warning of the day..
stone current
but in court anything can be used against u
so if u r high doesnt mean they cant use that
queen mango
Remember not to repeat the same mistake twice
zinc solar
stone current
stone current
marine
queen mango
Nothin' fancy, Cloak..
marsh reef
so should i report discord servers that use them?
stone current
no
queen mango
No
queen mango
It's the servers themselves that can decide to enforce it.
stone current
u just should not use it bc its an established hate symbol
marsh reef
but i thought it was hate speech?
stone current
kinda like its ok to say terrible crap about he government
queen mango
Hate symbol
marsh reef
oh ok
stone current
yea its not allowed here bc its a hate symbol
zinc solar
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queen mango
marsh reef
why would the government allow hate?
queen mango
stone current
because its freedom of speech
umbral reef
@zinc solar im your biggest fan!
umbral reef
@marsh reef to not limit rights?
stone current
ur allowed 2 say whatever u want
zinc solar
Well freedom of speach only applies to US or something. Although I'm too sleepy af to think straight
stone current
but everything u say can be used against u in the court of law
queen mango
It would be best to look all of this up, in the internet
stone current
and there are laws to protect against verbal harassment and the likes
again ur allowed 2 say whatever u want
umbral reef
@stone current does not mean it wont be thrown out instantly
stone current
but ur actions may have consequences
yea people can enforce their own kinds of "do not say this to me" or "in here"
but the government cant really
zinc solar
If I'm allowed to say whatever I want, that doesn't stop people from getting offended, or taking what I say as a threat/harm towards others
queen mango
stone current
cuz government does listen xd
inb4 fbi watchlist
yea u can
but someone can report u 2 the authorities
zinc solar
yeas
queen mango
What did I just say about warning you not to get too political or something?
umbral reef
You would be slapped for disturbance of peace then
stone current
not rly
umbral reef
This is technically not political btw 👀
zinc solar
Meh, I'm not a person to give crap about polotics, religion, or people who want to make 20 different genders and say they're a fish.
stone current
based on what u said and previous behavior or etc
they can investigate and may be able 2 interrogate
marsh reef
i just didnt know the rules
zinc solar
Run me through on why this is a discussion though?
stone current
woof
zinc solar
fair enough
queen mango
@zinc solar It started when Adaro posted a Pepe emoji
vocal shard
pepe is hate speech hurr durr
queen mango
Woulda been it to tell him off, but he just started asking more questions
stone current
ye we were telling y and about rights and watever
zinc solar
Pepe, is not hate speech. Just idiots turned it into that
stone current
na its been marked as hate speech by the adl
not allowed
l00k it up
and in rule it say (like pepe)
zinc solar
Well, I know it was hate speech or something because people used it to support trump
stone current
no that wrong
and make no sense considering trump is president
was something about supremacy and increase in racist/terrorist usage of it
zinc solar
No before the elections. Pepe was heavily used as a political meme for trump
stone current
u can read about it on adl
yea but thats unrelated
at least compared to the main reason
steep turret
our president is a giant frog in disguise, omg
zinc solar
well here's a video i remember seeing on the topic
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lyEQCYnYbyU
Might be relevant
woven steppe
modified my pfp again
woven steppe
it's a Y
queen mango
queen mango
Those are thigh-highs 
zinc solar
I don't give a crap, people get offended with a piece of toast buttered, calling it sexist. I'm not going to get into stupid politics saying a meme frog is hate speech. OOOOHHHH but people can have fun joking around with Nazis and racism but NOOOO we have to stop everything when a frog is mentioned.
zinc solar
(And yes, some people actually call buttered toast sexist)
umbral reef
@zinc solar you npc. -20 social points
zinc solar
Meh
zinc solar
Everyone is so sensitive nowadays. Thinking the world has to be perfect for them, and hurdle up in their safe space. BUT when reality is put into question they just get angry and cry to their friends
covert linden
Arenr u sensitive about this topic bc you seem pretty angry so that makes u the sensitive one
zinc solar
dark narwhal
hi cloaked
stone current
i want cooki 2 no fair
vocal shard
are u assuming hes angry rn boi
zinc solar
All I know is Kayne west is going to be president in 2020, and that worries me.
queen mango
dark narwhal
Ash will make u cookies
stone current
soy boyes smh
zinc solar
Yo Doki
covert linden
NO I WONTA AAA
dark narwhal
rip America 2020
covert linden
Cloaked how many egirls u got
vocal shard
america is already rip what u mean
stone current
10 hr loli breathing
zinc solar
Wtf is an e girl?
stone current
more like 10 year of loli breathing #legal
covert linden
What isnt an egirl
dark narwhal
u
covert linden
Its legal for 12 more days shshhsh
languid beacon
“Box Avoid Game” is a fun platformer/bullet hell game world. But then there is the meta-game for people who are trying to avoid being logged out or crashed, called “Avoid The Box”
stone current
or avoid box avoid game
zinc solar
Ohh, looked it up. Nope, none
covert linden
Oh ok what about ebois?
stone current
look up rainbow sausage
dark narwhal
owo
zinc solar
None
stone current
dark narwhal
Ill be ur eboi...or girl
covert linden
No u wont
zinc solar
I treat everyone equally, never go crazy over every girl I meet online and change personality just to impress them.
stone current
o ok
dark narwhal
you dont have to change for me
stone current
how u gona date if u don't go on date with regular people then
dark narwhal
is it working?
covert linden
I do
languid beacon
Schrodinger’s gender
zinc solar
If a girls annoying I tell her to stfu, if she's casual and laid back I'll convo if ever comes up.
covert linden
Thats girl abuse
stone current
can i get pats my shler
languid beacon
Gender is in a state of superposition until they accidentally open their mic
stone current
or their zipper
languid beacon
Then the probably wave collapses
zinc solar
I already have a girlfriend, so I don't get my hopes up and desperately try to find a girl online
stone current
covert linden
Me 2
twin jacinth
Should be If a person
Or aren't you for equality, Cloaked 👀
Everyone is to be assumed a boy in a video game, until proven other wise.
covert linden
My gf is pretty cute doki agrees
stone current
i a person but a dogo
dark narwhal
Ash is a guy i swear
languid beacon
🖊
covert linden
O no Iam??
dark narwhal
🍒
stone current
does sponge bulb live inside u
covert linden
I must be a trap cuz I didnt knw
umbral reef
Jufo is totally a girl though
dark narwhal
no u
stone current
doki doki characature club
twin jacinth
,-, yes oclac
dark narwhal
doki doki harem club
twin jacinth
Or else i wouldn't be in bed with you
stone current
i haven seen any of u on vrc
inner cape
what the fug
stone current
i am becom sadness
queen mango
Oof..
inner cape
do u use a furry avatar?
queen mango
stone current
when will u learn
zinc solar
Lets all meet up in VRC right now!
queen mango
Ghosto..
stone current
that actions have consequences
twin jacinth
We had a meet up this weekend though
covert linden
I wish but im in class
stone current
^
zinc solar
I will make a celebrity appearance
stone current
i busy do a learn 2 bork
education: learn 2 bork but do u evr actual learn a good bork no
inner cape
you havent answered my question mr doggo
stone current
y
inner cape
🏃
stone current
[Y] [N]
queen mango
I'll try to get on early.. but I've got another school seminar to attend tomorrow.. maybe at 9:00 AM it may start
covert linden
Ill play with u and ur ebois in february cloaked
zinc solar
stone current
[🚨MERCY]
[🗡 FIGHT]
[
DOG]
zinc solar
You ruined it doggo
stone current
no u
zinc solar
also stfu already ash
queen mango
zinc solar
queen mango
That was rude.. 
zinc solar
stone current
which 1 was rude
zinc solar
Me
queen mango
Telling Ashs off
pastel ginkgo
inner cape
Cease the faggotery
continue ruining it
just shut up
#general-media
covert linden
No u
inner cape
your choice
covert linden
I wont stfu because you like being angrylol
inner cape
im not angry
zinc solar
Well, getting annoyed with the kids coming on making small insults at the same time trying to act friendly and casual. Has gotten bothering to a point that some people are starting to harrass me in DM
inner cape
what u mean
languid beacon
I’ve only recently started seeing you discord people in VRChat
stone current
FRIEND
LOVE
LIKE
HATE
ADORE
umbral reef
👏 happy 👏 times 👏
stone current
"you people?"
covert linden
"Kidsc
stone current
languid beacon
You people and dog
covert linden
I wanna meet you in vrc adeon
zinc solar
I tried reporting some of these people to admins but no response
stone current
me?
stone current
dark narwhal
lol
stone current
dont toucha my spaghet
zinc solar
just the people who harass me in the DM over arguments in here
stone current
universal sfw rule
queen mango
@languid beacon I've probably encountered you for a brief while with Lone in Noe's Cardboard Box..
umbral reef
@zinc solar wait people legit do that shit?
stone current
more like noe noes home
covert linden
Ive only met doki, jamie, oclac, anf mic in vrchattt
stone current
jk jk jk jk jk
twin jacinth
Disable dm's then cloaked, problems solved
sad that they do it though
zinc solar
@umbral reef yeah, insult me in DM. Already blocked 3
umbral reef
I legit havent gotten those yet 
zinc solar
Most of it is because of the ERP stuff I argue about
inner cape
stone current
wana erp~ owo
twin jacinth
Who dm's someone for that 
to insult them
Nani
inner cape
I hear erp, i load my gun
twin jacinth
Faith in humanity lost
stone current
inner cape
lUl
stone current
got u covered (insert sprite cranberry emoji)
wana SPRITE CRANBERRY *speakers explode in the distance*
dark narwhal
zinc solar
Actually the main avatar I'm using right now is a giant can of sprite cranberry xD
pastel ginkgo
zinc solar
Anything is a meme
pastel ginkgo
except for big chungus
zinc solar
I could turn Elire into a meme if I wanted to
stone current
u mean bong chogos
zinc solar
stone current
i mean bun bun thanos
zinc solar
zinc solar
Bad luck brian is my favorite meme
stone current
my favorite meme are my dogo friends
languid beacon
I was about to leave for the night and I saw a Nanaungus behind me and said “yup I’m out” and logged off on the spot. Excellent end to a day.
zinc solar
Parents get a divorce
none of them want custody
pastel ginkgo
or u see uganda mickey with a keyblade
languid beacon
Nanichi chungus
zinc solar
Todays meme are just forced
queen mango
Nanachi Chungus?
twin jacinth
For god's sake please don't
queen mango
Someone commence Exterminatus upon this forsaken land
stone current
zinc solar
stone current
nooe
languid beacon
I had an idea for a world to just let you mix any two avatar pedistals and get the result. I’d have to make every combination in advance but it would be worth it
queen mango
Ship?
languid beacon
But then I realized I’d have to make things like Nikei Chungus and I stopped
queen mango
By the Unum.. more Chungifiers?
stone current
u can like make a script that creates em
silver bobcat
Want a sprite crab rave
prisma plover
👋
Trying to fix an avatar proportions for FBT, but then I realized my RL proportions are like "wtf genetics what have you done ?" weird and the avatar now looks weird. 😅
median basalt
Proportion rescaling is tough because it can look weird
Especially if the torso and head are still the original size of the model
Ideally you would rescale everything down to regular human proportions, but that ideal often clashes with the very idea of anime-ish models.
prisma plover
I have a stupidly long torso, so if I scale down the long anime legs, they end up being as wide as a whale. 😅
prisma plover
Yeah like scaling them down on the X and Y axis maybe 🤔
Slightly irritating: Having to upload the entire model for every small tweak I make with an upload speed under 1 Mbps.
median basalt
Turn off future proofing if you haven't already. @prisma plover
prisma plover
Oh what does that do ?
median basalt
Future proofing packages your avatar into a unity package, then uploads that too.
It's sorta like an online backup system as you can retrieve future proofed avatars
But it seems stealers can also retrieve your model that way, really easily. And it makes the upload a lot slower
And on top of that, they don't even give you a download option officially.
vocal shard
Is it just me or some server issues?
When i join on some friends im sent to public lobby (new) instead.
prisma plover
Ah I gonna disable that right away. Also I think I will just use good FBT avatars that are already made. Custom fitting an avatar to my body looks like a plan for somebody that is into masochism.
languid beacon
No need to future proof if you have your own backups
prisma plover
Automatic backup on an external drive. 👌
vocal shard
No need to future proof if you backup the backups
languid beacon
VRChat is probably not going to use the backups themselves ever, it was from when doing a recompile of all content was feasable. Vrc is too big for that now
vocal shard
languid beacon
Like I can’t imagine how long it would take for them to recompile everything that’s been uploaded
safe prism
future proofing is also super prone to crashing unity
median basalt
Yeah, I guess that makes sense @languid beacon
@vocal shard the lobby might be very full. Happens a lot if there's a well-known streamer or youtuber in the lobby
If the playercount is twice as high as the max playercount, you cannot join the instance at all
And get sent to a new one after black screening for a few seconds
vocal shard
I dont remember being in black screen, just loading in then being sent to new public instance.
And i dont think the instance is that full, since its sleeping world. Whatever
prisma plover
Holy moly disabling future proofing reduced the upload time by like 1/3 or something. 👌
languid beacon
Yeah the unity package is much bigger than the actual compile
Which is weird to me usually source is smaller
Would anyone miss it if figure proofing just went away? Like what is the Benifit? Using an undocumented unsupported download if you lost your original? In exchange for: longer uploads and easier for hackers to steal... I say just remove the option.
Or disable it by default at least
prisma plover
Just don't be an idiot like me and leave "untitled.fbx" as filename for all your avatars. 😅
Cause you end up with backups with 362 "untitled.fbx"
languid beacon
Check the directory hopefully you named the projects reasonably? :p
prisma plover
"model1" "model2" "model3"
😅
languid beacon
RIP
prisma plover
😆
languid beacon
Even better: start saving the blend file from rghtbbefore you first converted it to fbx
And learn to not break your prefab so you can update the gameobjects later with a newer model without starting over
median basalt
I always keep blend files
languid beacon
Remember why you had to break your prefab and do it ahead of time in blender for your next revision :p
prisma plover
Or even before even importing anything in Blender, there's always PMD/PMX editor.
languid beacon
Ah I don’t work with mmd much
My stuff is more or less uh. Slammed together Frankenstein of assets made to somewhat look good together
prisma plover
Actually put textured stitches where the different bits meet. 🤔
You now have a true Frankenstein creation.
vocal shard
Do VR users have the ability to sprint?
languid beacon
Oculus yes with analog sticks. Vive no idea probably though
vocal shard
So it depends on the what platform
nimble linden
We dont have a sprint option but we have variable speed (oculus thumbsticks) and max speed is same as desktop sprinting speed
vocal shard
Wasn't quite aware of the sprinting part but had read or heard that there isn't a simple button click or way to crouch like there is for Desktop users unless I'm mistaken
languid beacon
They have different ways of accomplishing the same task
vocal shard
Since VR users are generally intended to have the physical ability to crouch themselves
nimble linden
No there isn't, for VR but you can crouch URL or sit down, or use play space mover to crouch
languid beacon
In vr you just crouch irl
vocal shard
Thanks for the info > w O)/
My friend just got a headset and is currently experimenting
languid beacon
It would be weird to have the floor come up to meet you in r with a fake crouch
nimble linden
Not that crouching does much, it doesn't change your hitbox size
vocal shard
So, A trusted user just went around with a crasher attempting to crash several users.
Then quickly left
Oof
"trusted user" 👌
languid beacon
I’ve heard multiple reports of people setting known/trusted to less permissions than user.
Due to how often crashes are purple
umbral reef
@vocal shard make sure to report the dude
rigid crescent
Just keep animations off, setting anything else low is silly lol
Unless you want everyone to just look ugly and shaderless
Or desperately need to see their ears move
languid beacon
I look better without shaders tbh . I wish I had a copy of my fallback shaders
vocal shard
assuming there arent any bad apples in trusted rank
also, i couldnt report him because I didn't catch his name quick enough
fading flower
if an avatar has no animator does it tpose forever??
umbral reef
If you don't set it to humanoid it will tpose yea
languid beacon
Still I keep hearing people adding more restrictions for higher ranks. Makes me think I should start setting my tag to green.
sullen escarp
@languid beacon you can download unity's default shader sources
and the toon ones i think are in the effects standard asset package
languid beacon
Thank you! ♥️
Man I’m drooling over some 2018 components how long do you think until LTE 2018 exists
I need that rotation constraint, would mean no more rigid body shenanigans on avatars
sullen escarp
i think udon will probably come first
rigid crescent
maybe no more boxes, seems like that's the only place I even get DCed
vocal shard
there has to be some site handing out free exploits since I keep seeing them very frequently
rigid crescent
well yeah
vocal shard
even a little squeaker kid had one.
rigid crescent
that's typically how things spread lol
vocal shard
yet these users roam and never get punished
languid beacon
Yeah just stop going to lag free box no more disconnects.
Or hang with a different crowd
I usually get this feel for which crowds have the script kiddies and remove those connections
But for real they only seem to hang out in. Box
indigo fern
stoic halo
ok i heard u can ban people from your worlds
how do i do that so i can ban this one crasher one of my friends is friends with
safe prism
you can't ban them, only kick them. kicking locks them out for an hour.
rigid crescent
^
stoic halo
one of my friends is banned from MMD Dance room or whatever
after about 2 minutes they get the "kicked" message
stoic halo
idk the owner of mmd dance room
empty wharf
I don’t think you can ban someone from using your world if it’s public
Almost positive
inner cape
if they get kicked, they can't return to the instance for an hour
but they can go to other lobbies of that world
vocal shard
Perhaps there should be a Karma counter that adjusts based on the number of lobbies kicked from and let the world owner set a karma threshold.
rigid crescent
that;s a terrible idea 😄
summer pasture
royal vigil
