nameplates have been profiled more recently, the impact should theoretically be insignificant
#vrchat-general-2
weary bison
vocal shard
but yes, right now, turning them off is a boost
rigid crescent
Lol closed beta is a meme now
vocal shard
they heard people moan about them here 😉
rigid crescent
Look at this update:3
glossy wharf
Cant wait for ik to finally be back to being calculated client side then synched.
ruby burrow
Worth keeping in mind that despite using multiple textures, all nameplates share the same materials since they're an integral part of the client.
rigid crescent
"Guys this beta was the longest closed beta we've ever had 8 hours open beta is fine!"
vocal shard
the IK stuff distributed turned back on would be sweet for a bunch of reasons
ruby burrow
So whilst the other parts may stand, you're not loading 30x20 materials or textures.
glossy wharf
Batching doesnt work like that though.
rigid crescent
That short time was the most fun I've had in a while since all my friends were excited to actually be able to not tank in big publics
vocal shard
I really think the drawcalls are peanuts compared to other stuff on your screen, checken if people are on your friendlist every frame ... another story
weary bison
draw calls are the easiest thing to fix on an avatar, but 10 here and 10 there is proportionally insignificant compared to the overhead from the rest of what goes into rendering and moving an avatar
rigid crescent
Just turn off avatars forehead
weary bison
minimizing them is just really good practice
glossy wharf
Im pretty sure that drawcalls are causing the big cpu overhead, they get rendered fast by gpu but get passed back to cpu rather slow.
tacit plank
And people with literally 2000+ dynamic bones calculations
glossy wharf
But yeah, other stuff obviously affects it aswell, cough cloth, cough dynbones
tacit plank
Had to hide a friends avatar
weary bison
you can view render time in the profiler, compare it to dynbones, world scripts and other stuff
vocal shard
after spending more time in the profiler and looking and nsight graphs, some drawcalls are really insignificant compared to others
glossy wharf
Yes ive done a lot of testing a good while back
me and anubis were some of the first people to do manual atlasing without the tupper method cause it didnt work for us, we tried to do a lot of optimization before cats implemented a lot of optimization feautures.
Ive spent a lot of time looking at my profiler in unity lmao
tacit plank
The current rating system doesn't mention texture size, avatar file size, shader complexity, etc
rigid crescent
2000 calculations, surely those would be taken down right caffeine:3
glossy wharf
@tacit plank hard to analyze compiled shaders.
rigid crescent
unless it's a 5.6 world
vocal shard
the rating system is far from finished
glossy wharf
its far from good aswell.
rigid crescent
Rating is a joke at the moment.
weary bison
it's gonna be tweaked here and there
tacit plank
True, but generally pretty means expensive
vocal shard
idk, it's already making people change their thinking
ruby burrow
File size would be a nice thing to know, even just during upload.
rigid crescent
It got pushed with so many known exploitable issues.
tacit plank
Big bounding box shouldn't give very poor... But probably at least medium, as it prevents culling or whatever
weary bison
a lot of the severe stuff on avatars is really simple to fix
vocal shard
I'm sure they will tune the weighting and predictions more
viscid seal
Yeah i hope bounds affects ratings less
weary bison
I'm not a fan of the bounding box thing
rigid crescent
In it's current state it only helps people who are already informed and misinforms ones who aren't.
glossy wharf
Imo the performance system is just the devs being too lazy to introduce hard limits and get the community to shame each other.
tacit plank
Merge some bones, merge opaque textures, merge all meshes
ruby burrow
I agree with 1001 on that. I know a lot of people that have turned round and considerably improved their avatars due to the new system.
glossy wharf
I know a lot of people who have done a complete 180 and stopped optimizing completely cause their colliders alone would put them to poor so they dont see a reason to optimize their other stuff higher than poor anymore anyway.
ruby burrow
The ratings themselves are far from perfect, but it's brought a lot of valuable awareness regardless.
tacit plank
I think that there should be a rank above very poor, or at least a way to tell "very bad" apart from "10 times above very bad"
rigid crescent
I'm somewhat in that boat Sai
glossy wharf
its a double edged sword to the max.
weary bison
the real double edged sword was introducing dynamicbone to the game in the first place
ruby burrow
"Lazy to introduce hard limits" You really think that would be a good idea at this stage?
distant charm
Well the goal isn't to directly restrict freedoms, the best method is to guide users without taking away too much from them.
rigid crescent
Why bother making everything excellent/good if one thing puts me at medium?
tacit plank
If it's the worst 3 values averaged, you could have 100k dynamic bones and everything else being perfect, and land on a combined value of around medium
vocal shard
you can still upload a monstrosity, don't forget that, just not on public pedestals and you might get asked to swap to something lean when you're watching a movie with 20 ppl in a room
ruby burrow
What would you personally set the limits to? It'd incite riots.
glossy wharf
@ruby burrow No it hink its a thing they missed over a year ago
rigid crescent
No one wants hard limits lol
weary bison
I'm hype for a possible dynbone alternative in the future, whatever form it takes
tacit plank
Basically, if you're past the "very bad" limit by multiple times, it should count for more, so that averaging won't save a model with 80+ materials, or 200 dynamic bones with 15 colliders
viscid seal
I heard the creator of dynbone is in the team right?
weary bison
no
rigid crescent
If they weren't so lazy/selective removing publics we'd be in a much better spot
distant charm
That's a hard nope
viscid seal
Oh XD
distant charm
Dynamic bone was never meant to be used in VRChat
rigid crescent
But there's a thousand other poorly foresighted things they could've done to prevent the state we're in now
glossy wharf
To be fair avatar performance was good for a bit, then they introduced cloning and shit went downhill real fucking fast again
vocal shard
making snail markers make any avatar very poor is very oof, but having huge bounds is not great either
rigid crescent
No it wasn't
ruby burrow
Mandating strict limits would be the lazy option, not the other way round.
They've opted to give the community a chance to moderate itself and foster a better culture for creators.
distant charm
^
queen mango
I've not heard of that happening before..
ruby burrow
The creator of dynbone is some random lone Chinese indie dev.
tacit plank
Huge bounds might make collision checks scale badly?
glossy wharf
@ruby burrow They half ass opted to giving the community a chance without providing proper documentation on their side on how to optimize things.
The vrchat documentation is lacking in big big parts.
tacit plank
Just a guess. In general "very poor" is harsh for a marker though
glossy wharf
You have to somewhat provide documenation if you allow everyone to upload content unmoderated to your game.
ruby burrow
It's literally just a cheap unity plugin that became popular, and got too big before the devs realised what they were looking at.
glossy wharf
Theres no excuse.
vocal shard
normal games have dynamic bones like most avatars have only in cutscenes when there's one player model onscreen .... it's really supposed to do a handful of xforms at most
rigid crescent
We didn't even have real optimization info until November
glossy wharf
^
tacit plank
Tupper made a nice video on optimization, he should do another one think
rigid crescent
Despite the dead horse I've beaten about Tupper providing plenty in 2017 November
weary bison
tup is love
rigid crescent
There was next to no official attempt to inform the community about optimization despite the team knowing about ways to help
weary bison
he's still doing stuff
vocal shard
the dynamic bones code itsn't bad or slow at all, but it does bottleneck the engine a little due to being completely outside of unity skinned mesh rendering
glossy wharf
And the 8 hour beta for the avatar performance patch was the biggest joke ever aswell, that was handled so massively poorly
vocal shard
so it needs to wait
queen mango
And there was DynBone video made by Tupper that I found while searching the web.. Date points back to Oct. 20, 2017
graceful timber
Howdy
rigid crescent
The thread he posted about DB, IK, etc was from November of 2017. You're telling me the team was so short-sighted that they couldn't drop a few "hey too many DB is bad guys...." throguh official channels/guides until LITERALLY a year later? What excuse is there for that lol
queen mango
Oh hi there
rigid crescent
I hate beating that dead horse so often, but it's one of the things that really gets me about how things have been handled
graceful timber
See I can explain my name
glossy wharf
There is none, its poor laziness
weary bison
I mean
glossy wharf
I mean mic we know that they are lacking in proper communication skills when things are going on so its no surprise
weary bison
two weeks ago tupper made a video on dynamicbone
rigid crescent
Now we're at the point where unoptimized avatars are pretty normal and people never had those fundamentals drilled into them the same way they did for basic creation.
glossy wharf
two weeks ago
rigid crescent
Two weeks ago.
graceful timber
Okay so serious question alright
glossy wharf
And the year in between nothing happened, theres not a single official thing
queen mango
Yea.. I heard. Jamie Vatarga told about that to him
graceful timber
If someone makes an avatar against tos, and uploads it as public. And many people clone it
ruby burrow
graceful timber
Will the people who clone it get banned?
glossy wharf
No
graceful timber
Or only the creator
glossy wharf
The creator gets the punishment.
ruby burrow
I know this only came recently, with the system update.
queen mango
Creator, sorry
viscid seal
Wyatt, the creator eill get banned
graceful timber
Okay phew
vocal shard
dynamic bones and having a fuckton of bones being bad was no secret, everybody knew
weary bison
@graceful timber case by case basis, usually no if the users are oblivious
graceful timber
So I have no worry
ruby burrow
But it's not like there's still nothing. That page is linked right next to the upload button.
glossy wharf
@vocal shard except only the few who cared about it enough did
so about 2% of the community
graceful timber
Unless you knew exactly what you were doing.
vocal shard
that's it, people figured it didn't apply because nobody cared
graceful timber
And a mod picks up on that
glossy wharf
Because there was no official statement on it
viscid seal
Pretty much wyatt
rigid crescent
We didn't get optimization guides til November of 2018. THere's a very informative but unofficial VRCats thread where Tupper talks about issues like Mats, DB, the IK, etc and it's from November of 2017. That's an entire year with next to no focus on helping the community understand optimization. I didn't even know DB were an issue until a few months prior when tupper was roasting people for having too many DB in a friends+. No one bothered informing the community. They just gave "creators", who are 99% jsut people who've never touched unity or blender before, tons of tools and power with no information behind it besides "Press these buttons and get avatar!"
vocal shard
and it's fun shaking your avatar in the editor screen and watching everything bounce and twirl
ruby burrow
@graceful timber Uh, I would say despite that thing about the creator getting punished, I wouldn't advise running around as naked Hitler thinking you're invincible just because you didn't upload it.
graceful timber
Yeah obviously
The cloning has been a problem since it's very easy to spread toxic / against tos avatars.
rigid crescent
Add Blueprint ID blocking, let creators disallow cloning on a per-avatar or per-world basis, punish cloners properly. OK, avatar cloning is fixed.
ruby burrow
You're very likely still to be held accountable for any obvious bannable things that you've wilfully chosen to use.
glossy wharf
I think the cloning feature could be improved by making it so only avatars from approved public worlds can be cloned.
TO prevent unoptimized and malicious shit.
rigid crescent
That's probably pretty hard to do.those IDs aren't connected whatsoever
queen mango
@graceful timber Man, you seem to know a lot about this stuff.. you've been observing that stuff for months now?
viscid seal
Cloning feature is fun but it has annoyed sone workd creators that wanted specific avatars to be rewards
glossy wharf
It would also give a lot of people more motivation to create worlds.
covert linden
I love the cloning because now I have a tiny pikachu loli that says pika pika.. its soo cute...
vocal shard
I'd rather have a really open and powerful SDK and peer pressure/community moderation than some stupid 'skyrim' type avatar menu
or you get shitty low effort worlds just to put the avatars there
graceful timber
I've been here for shorter than people think
weary bison
you guys actually experiencing issues caused by the ability to clone?
glossy wharf
@vocal shard that get denied.
weary bison
just curious
ruby burrow
"'I think the cloning feature could be improved by making it so only avatars from approved public worlds can be cloned.
TO prevent unoptimized and malicious shit."
I agree with this.
weary bison
haven't seen much myself
rigid crescent
Mostly malicious avatars, Noe
glossy wharf
@weary bison Yes in masses LOL
covert linden
My friend cant even click on people Noe, the menu wont pop up
queen mango
None so far, Noe.. but I have an issue with the safety system regarding showing avatars in the instance
rigid crescent
The wooper, the ybot, tons of meme avatars with screenshake, particles, zoom effects, etc. THey're extremely common
queen mango
I have to reload the instance for that avatar I want to see to load
graceful timber
2nd that @rigid crescent
weary bison
@covert linden send an email to support@vrchat.com if it persists after restarting
glossy wharf
the amount of kkk, nazi and laggy avatars from larens world that has been taken down for being unoptmized, the amount of earrape, the amount of annoying shaders ive seen since cloning was introduced
covert linden
@weary bison Okay thank you
glossy wharf
holy shizzle dude.
ruby burrow
Whilst it's fun being able to casually upload something as public and instantly give it to friends, it really seems to bypass the entire point of curating avatar worlds.
graceful timber
Larens world is down
weary bison
damn okay
glossy wharf
Theres some gems in there aswell, but theres so much annoying shit running around too
graceful timber
Yeah @ruby burrow
viscid seal
Oh the idea for public world avatars only is interesting
rigid crescent
the big bird, the racist dot avatar, the "Teach me how to dougie" penguin, TONS of stuff
glossy wharf
the big bird was funny at first though lets be real
rigid crescent
Avatars like that are funny until everyone is using them
weary bison
yeah all I've seen is people having fun, sometimes raids but usually the avatars have been tame
vocal shard
I haven't seen any of those ... just fun avatars spreading between friends
covert linden
I met the person who made the bigbird, at least he claimed to. He said he let people clone it by accident
graceful timber
Sicko mode knuckles with extremely cancerous chromatic Aberration
rigid crescent
If it was an accident all he has to do is hit "Private" in the SDK.
graceful timber
Yeah
viscid seal
Its the chair stacking avatars I see cloned alot XD those are always fun
covert linden
I dont remember the username of who it was
queen mango
No probs much.. I had fun cloning as a Warhammer 40K soldier
glossy wharf
Graelyth put it on public himself, not on accident.
vocal shard
@viscid seal 
viscid seal
XD
ruby burrow
Well, the suggestion wouldn't actually stop them having that fun, so long as the avatar came from an approved world.
glossy wharf
^
covert linden
Probably wasnt him then
queen mango
And joining others in purging he---y... joining in on the fun
glossy wharf
I think i might write a canny post about it
rigid crescent
It's true people are having fun, but the issue is it's also at some people's expense since not everyone wants to see that shit
graceful timber
Yeah
astral cliff
Someone say purging heresy?
rigid crescent
This was suggested day 1 and ron mentioned a lot of difficulty in connecting world and avatar IDs, basically to the point that it'll never happen
viscid seal
An avatar block feature would be nice
queen mango
@astral cliff Umm, yea
rigid crescent
"Guys if you don't like me spamming particles and bass boosted audio just leave publics" Yeah, no.
graceful timber
Bring back block avatars by default as a single button too
ruby burrow
It would inhibit my own ability to casually share silly side avatars, but I could deal with that. Can just make a private avatar world for friends instead.
rigid crescent
Blocking avatars by Avatar ID is really the best way to solve it, or at least bandaid fix it.
covert linden
That just pushes more people into privateworlds
graceful timber
Yeah
glossy wharf
BLocking avatars by id sounds really really nice actually
weary bison
yeah that'd be cool
true sky
i have some avatars that are public and had to set a disclaimer in my world as people were gesture spamming the crap out of them
graceful timber
Blocking avatars by reputation
rigid crescent
Imagine all the shitty world avatars you could block!
graceful timber
How many people have hid that avatar
ruby burrow
You wouldn't stay in the private avatar world. It's be just for giving stuff to friends, same as before cloning. '-'
glossy wharf
no more larens avatars 
rigid crescent
Honig I know you're trolling but it happens in worlds without mirrors lol
graceful timber
Ties into the blueprint id
covert linden
I myself am always in privates and publics unless I am lonely but if I go and its people everywhere killing my ears I wont stay
true sky
then start crying when they get kicked/mass blocked
graceful timber
Certain avatars will be blocked by default by the reputation of that avatar
rigid crescent
Not worth it at the expense of others. Ever.
covert linden
Tbh mirror playing at the pug is better than killing my ears and lagging me
prisma plover
And after a while everything gets blocked and everyone are wondering "What happened ?". 🤔
covert linden
Like vrc is a social game for a reason, I join worlds to talk and tell lasagna puns
rigid crescent
I've been sitting at tables in the pug and other places and still get my shit spammed by bass boosted garbage from public avatars
graceful timber
I really enjoy some crazy toxic material sometimes. It just fills that spot. But not in publics. Usually only with friends.
rigid crescent
That falls back to the overuse issue. These memes are normally funny, some are hilarious
true sky
i have no problem with earrape and screenshakes, but gets old when its a looping gesture and the user goes afk
rigid crescent
but when EVERYONE starts swapping to that avatar it gets old fast
What's social about bassboosting earrape zoom shaders?
true sky
i would probably irl
vocal shard
usually annoying people and annoying avatar go together, and without the avatars they're still annoying 😄
ruby burrow
Something else to note. Disallowing cloning of public avatars not from an approved world, would also bring back the ability to distribute special avatars to friends without the risk of them suddenly going viral if someone accidentally leaves their cloning setting on. A lot of people want that back. '-'
covert linden
Ok so youre saying everyone who goes to the pub should be drinking?
rigid crescent
Like I said, it happens in worlds without mirrors, it happens when people aren't at mirrors
ruby burrow
I know people who really miss that.
covert linden
I dont go to a pub irl and spam music on my phone and jump around
graceful timber
Have you seen the adult miku with the gun that you can toggle the laser beam that makes everything bass boosted
Blue/red versions
Have you guys been to club VGL Yet.
covert linden
The major part is the earraped music
graceful timber
It honestly blows the void out of the water
rigid crescent
you can use your little bullshit "real life" pub logic but it goes both ways. Going in to a Pub spamming music on a speaker at 90000 decibles while in people's face is also not socially acceptable
So you're still in the wrong lol
covert linden
^
ruby burrow
Being able to give out avatars with more dramatic special effects to trusted individuals, and control exactly who got them, without the risk of their creations setting the Pug on fire via randos.
viscid seal
Yeah VGL is really well made, the one by Varneon right?
graceful timber
Who plays vrchat with the mindset of "hey. I'm gonna be exactly how I am in real life."
rigid crescent
What....
vocal shard
what mic said, it being vr and not irl doesn't mean anything goes, it's a social game
rigid crescent
What kind of logic is that? lol
vocal shard
👀
hidden spear
Anyone know where your account credentials are stored in the files of the sdk?
covert linden
Bad logic
graceful timber
They arent @hidden spear
covert linden
Youre assuming we cant hear?
rigid crescent
Yeah all these retards in public worlds lol
graceful timber
It uses the unity cache
vocal shard
I got tinnitus from irl clubs 
rigid crescent
There's zero excuse for people who choose to go into rooms with the intent to be disruptive "for fun", it's just inexcusable
graceful timber
Not the sdk
covert linden
If people are blasting music and effects, ESPECIALLY effects, it harms vr users eyes
And sometimes my avatar music is 100% up because some lolis make cute sound effects and I forget
vocal shard
oof
covert linden
Its all not ok just because you wanna have fun
vocal shard
those lolis are part of the problem 😉
covert linden
Like so do mirror users and their fun is mirrors
rigid crescent
Go show your friends "XD FUNNEEE MEEEEME" off in a corner somewhere, and while you're at it actually make sure it's a smaller localized effect
if it's not, just don't do it
ruby burrow
NAS avatars... >_>
rigid crescent
In friends+ it's kind of a different story, but in publics there's really no reason for it
covert linden
^^
ruby burrow
Global over boosted sound the lot of them.
graceful timber
That moment when you are getting spammed with animations and your oculus menu freezes
vocal shard
^
ruby burrow
Screen darkening, distortion etc.
graceful timber
vocal shard
all the screenspace stuff gives you a headache after a while
rigid crescent
None of that stuff affects me as strongly as it affects some people, to me it's simply annoying to varying degrees
ruby burrow
Depending on how bad, it generally just locks you in place and makes you effectively blind.
vocal shard
but so do badly optimised avatars
ruby burrow
You can't really do anything.
covert linden
I went to a ugandan knuckles map with doki once and the effwcts got so bad I couldnt see and was lagging, literally 7 users were using effects and I couldnt get out easily.That isnt ok for any map
rigid crescent
Like I don't get headaches or dizziness or whatever, it's really just a bother so I block people who do it
graceful timber
There are a few avatars that have gone public that over render the menus
true sky
@covert linden which one?
covert linden
Which what?
true sky
uganda map
covert linden
Oh idk the main one I think
My friends and I go there once and awhile for shits and giggles
ruby burrow
I only get headaches etc from particular kinds, but otherwise it still makes it very hard to do anything.
viscid seal
Dont safety settings help against these avatars?
vocal shard
they do
true sky
yeah, that map is pretty bad shape rn even with broken realtime lights
ruby burrow
It's not like desktop play where someone can say, "Lol, that's crazy", and then look away to eat some snacks.
covert linden
I dont have that reaction because I lag and cant get out
ruby burrow
In VR you're just stuck there looking at unintelligible garbage, unable to hear anything but distorted rap music.
prisma plover
Eating with a VR headset on. Challenge. Accepted.
covert linden
I have an oculus lol
You cant just say its ok so you can have fun, and just tell people not to get vr sucks to suck
Idk The oculus wont work for me, But I know people who have fallen over because its too dizzy
ruby burrow
Safety settings can help, but I don't want to wash out my game with standard shaders just because of a few trolls and kids.
So you have to identify, select and block them reactively.
graceful timber
Notice how it's impossible to rip a world from vrchat. How did they do that? Apply that to the custom avatar system
rigid crescent
It's not that bad for everyone, it just depends on the person
covert linden
I have safety settings off
rigid crescent
It's not impossible lol
ruby burrow
At least until you recognise the avatars in advance.
graceful timber
Its difficult
rigid crescent
Mmm I don't think so
graceful timber
I've never seen someone rip a worls
rigid crescent
Because it's obvious when you do it vs when you rip an avatar
graceful timber
Oh yeah
vocal shard
Do u have a pc that can run it ?
rigid crescent
If I rip an avatar and strip it for parts/prefabs, which is typically why it's done, then it's not as obvious as if I ripped the Pug and tried to reupload it
covert linden
Petting lolis is worth it
ruby burrow
VR is absolutely worth it, but it's an awkward time to buy in.
covert linden
Mylaptop run it butmy laptops also an ass
vocal shard
It’s been pretty fun so far for me, u should get it
ruby burrow
New stuff just around the corner, but we don't know what yet.
rigid crescent
"just around the corner" if you mean waiting a year+ then yes, by all means miss out on something for fear of missing out on something else
You can play other VR games
ruby burrow
There's always the option of getting a temporary mid point headest like one of the cheaper WMRs.
vocal shard
It’s a system that runs a lot of games
@cold saddle the rift just dropped in price again though, $350-450
covert linden
It was on saale I got oculus foe 470
boreal plaza
I really hate those screen shaking disorting ear raping lag causing cancer avatars. I cant do anything at all anymore and it iscrazy disorientating and annoying. Having your whole view full of bullshit is just pure cancer. But then the fun gets even more when some desktop users join the fun and copy that avatar. Not thinking of how damn disturbing and sickness causing it can be for vr users because its "just fun"
ruby burrow
The Lenovo Explorer is down to only £199 in my area now.
covert linden
CAD
graceful timber
Temporary Ban 4 Years.. Oh phew, at least its only temporary.
covert linden
I got it for the physical affection
graceful timber
I didnt get banned
true sky
:)
graceful timber
It's just a joke.
vocal shard
Fly to America and buy it here lmao
rigid crescent
@boreal plaza THat's what we're talking about. If they added blueprint ID blocking, you'd instantly block-avatar on anyone that copies said avatar, from then and forever.
ruby burrow
Send your money to Elire and get him to ship you one from Peso land.
vocal shard
graceful timber
It really cant be that hard to make the menu in vrchat non overrenderable.
boreal plaza
That would be heaven @rigid crescent
rigid crescent
when you said middle europe for some reason my first thought was middle-ages europe
covert linden
LOL
vocal shard
Lol
ruby burrow
Time travel shipping is pricy.
stark swallow
Tupper’s new model looks like if Cirno was from Neptunia
rigid crescent
bass-boosted lyre music
vocal shard
lol
ruby burrow
An Oculus Rifte costs at least 13 crowns. You could buy a horse for that.
graceful timber
Is tuppers avatar optimised?
vocal shard
very
graceful timber
His new gen cirno
stark swallow
Yeah
rigid crescent
It's Medium if I remember right
graceful timber
I've never met him and want to it's not fair
ruby burrow
Last I met him I think it's was 1 mesh 1 mat 0 physics.
vocal shard
^
rigid crescent
I mean he's a normal dude
graceful timber
I know
stark swallow
People already ripped his model
mystic vector
i need people who are willing to be a tv presenter. young . please join virtual tv studio and dont rouch anything please.
vocal shard
is that you, r kelly?
stark swallow
What
vocal shard
'you wanna be in showbusiness?'
ruby burrow
I read that as mirrors.
covert linden
Can an avarar be a mirror or hold a mirror?
covert linden
Thought so, i dont want one just curious
vocal shard
you can fake it by just having cameras render to a texture
they still are, but friends only
ruby burrow
Yes. Currently only for friends though.
graceful timber
I wish they would make it so you could toggle nametags on your vrchat camera
ruby burrow
What for? '-'
languid beacon
My most wanted feature is for hidden nameplates to show up whenever your menu is open, for quick checking.
viscid seal
Squishy, i have screenshot walls in my worlds
So having nametags visible is something i like
graceful timber
Yeah
viscid seal
But steam screenshots are low quality
ruby burrow
Mhmm.
graceful timber
Very
ruby burrow
I usually only use steam screenshots for snapping crashers.
graceful timber
Nowadays there are no snapping
ruby burrow
Or for recording a name for whatever other reason. Usually with photography quality not being a concern.
graceful timber
You piss off a crasher and then you go home without even knowing who it was 🤷
viscid seal
And people who visit my worlds like it too, when their nameplate is visible
languid beacon
@viscid seal. Open your stream camera (not photocamera) and then take a steam screenshot. it will take a screenshot from the camera's perspecitive, and it will go in your steam snapshot directory, but it will be higher quality due to the stream camera being activated
languid beacon
@cold saddle yes it's the alpha background filter on the camera
ruby burrow
True. Although I do still prefer how crashers these days are a bit more subtle, and not quite so brazenly egotistical.
viscid seal
Adeon are the nametags still shown?
languid beacon
greenscreen or transparency background, whichever works better for you
ruby burrow
They used to sit around the Pug as their favourite haunt, and just act like a mafia getting to decide who can enter.
viscid seal
With stream camera style screenshots?
languid beacon
@rough nymph it will take a steam creenshot of whatever the stream camera saw. i do'nt remember offhand if nametags are in the stream camera view
@'d the wrong person oops
viscid seal
Ah ok, i'll test that out at somepoint although i use oculus client mainly now
graceful timber
Yeah
languid beacon
But basically Steam screenshots just printscreen the actual VRChat window, which is low quality except when the stream camera is open
graceful timber
But still
viscid seal
Yeah an option to toggle names would be great regardless
languid beacon
yes
rigid crescent
Yeah, it's pretty spotty
graceful timber
What's the specific policy on lewd nsfw content on vrchat
ruby burrow
Roughly the same as real life rules.
graceful timber
Cause I've seen avatars with questionable....uh
......:toys'....on them
ruby burrow
Keep it behind locked doors and no one knows it's happening.
Do it in the Pub, and you'll get locked up.
viscid seal
Nsfw is allowed for private instances only
graceful timber
It's a spotty topic. Just like in real life
ruby burrow
General rule of thumb is simply asking, "Might someone report me for this?"
viscid seal
The loading screen says this rule btw wyatt
rough pulsar
- Live streaming, advertising or publicly sharing content that is sexually explicit in nature or simulates sex acts is not permitted. Doing so may result in moderation action being taken against your account up to (but not limited to) banning of the offending user account depending on the severity of the act in question.
- Pornography & nudity is not allowed.
So things like merely pulling out a "questionable toy" is fairly unlikely.
If you run around harassing people with said toy, you're more likely to get called up on it.
graceful timber
Ah
alpine crater
ruby burrow
Technically... it's not "allowed" in private. It's just not explicitly disallowed.
rigid crescent
People need to realize that just because you broke the rules does'nt mean you'll automatically be caught
graceful timber
People ARE gonna do it. You cant stop that without enforcing moderation in private worlds which people would not like. Vrchat is one of the only way for people who wanna do that stuff can.
rigid crescent
Rarely do people report others, stream or otherwise.
ruby burrow
The main thing about private instances, is that no one but who you allow to know can know it's happening, and thus it's outside of the devs concern or power.
It's just about protecting the public image and legal liability of the game is all.
rigid crescent
I mean even if they did moderate it, what are they gonna do ?Quit because they can't erp? doubtful. We've had people claiming everyone would quit over dozens of other actual issues and here we are hitting 10k on a random weekend for no reason
ruby burrow
Which is why you're not allowed to stream or broadcast it, even from private.
ruby burrow
Lets imagine your heated erp session somehow developed into a ridiculous friendship breaking drama, that pissed off a participant enough to want to take you down.
That's the only way you might get in trouble for whatever happens in an invite only. ^ ^;
Oh! Except for NSFW avatar icons. That can theoretically get you. At least one person in this discord claimed they got banned for that once in the past.
rigid crescent
Yeah, and even then they'd have to incriminate themselves
lyric light
the "Good Samaritan law": "if you're doing it in good intent, you can't be punished by anyone"
ruby burrow
"I was only spreading the love officer. These people need love!"
"Just put the blanket on and get in the car ya crazy pervert."
rigid crescent
lol that's a bit hopeful
lyric light
but this law only works if you try to save someone, or stop someone from being hurt. :/
dire thicket
What's the place you suggest vrc features or things again?
prisma plover
The Canny: https://vrchat.canny.io/feature-requests
dire thicket
Thank chu
prisma plover
👍
quiet perch
Does anyone know if you can attach a vrc camera to a tracker? Both Oculus and Vive?
vocal shard
the trackers are mapped to IK bones and you can attach a camera to any bone, is that what you mean?
quiet perch
No I mean that the camera found in the VRChat menu
vocal shard
ah the personal cam, other than picking it up I don't think so
quiet perch
Ah okay, might try making a canny suggestion and see what people think
rough nymph
@languid beacon I thought I was special for a second. No one ever @'s me. NO, DONT @ ME.
true sky
is it me or now people joining in worlds and blocking everyone 🤔
rigid crescent
just you lol
frozen trout
So my idea for touching avatars in a new way works and it's glorious. 😄
true sky
been in the box a bit to find some people to report and there was a vote kick on the one who blocked everyone
#forevertheyarealone 🤷
stark swallow
If you hide someone’s avatar it only applies to the person, so if another person clones that same avatar their avatar wouldn’t be hidden. That should be changed
rigid crescent
Yeah we were talking about blueprint blocking earlier
THere's some decent arguments for blueprint blocking being the default, that way you can just Show Avatar on friends and others who you do want to see using it, but there's probably some weird logistics to that. Odds are if you're blocking the avatar your problem is with the avatar itself, not the person.
rough pulsar
https://vrchat.canny.io/feature-requests/p/blocking-specific-avatars
there's a feature request for it
so upvote it if you think it's an important thing that should be added
median basalt
We need ID blocking and in general, avatars should only be cloneable if they have been approved inside a world
So much unoptimized or malicious stuff is being spread around lately, the Frozone is back too
I've seen avatars with 54 meshes and 2700 dynamic bone transforms, then watched in horror as half the lobby cloned into it and had to hide all of them
rigid crescent
THey've mentioned attaching worlds to IDs being somewhat difficult
or not possible with the current infrastructure
zinc solar
Yo
rigid crescent
"Avatars are not linked in the database to a world"
stark swallow
Also there should be a Cloning for only friends option instead of having anyone have it
rigid crescent
That'd probably require a lot of extra work too, but that's from what little i've heard of them talking about blueprint ids and what they are/aren't associated with
If you only want a select few to copy it, either tell them that and share in private, or just give them the unity project, or upload it for them
stark swallow
It would be more convenient if you can share a model with your friends quick and easy like that
I feel like it would be a simple thing to add
median basalt
Yeah but it wouldn't have to work like that necessarily
They could have the optimization bot also set a flag on every avatar it checks which then makes it cloneable
vocal shard
a
rigid crescent
A flag for what?
median basalt
A "can be cloned" status
boreal plaza
@frozen trout is there going to be a video and/or tutorial again? I am very interested :3
rigid crescent
they can barely have the bot check an avatar correctly though
zinc solar
Vrchat is full of creeps
median basalt
Just block or mute them
covert linden
Whaaat no its not
rough nymph
VRChat possible to find love?
covert linden
Yes
rough nymph
I wanna fall in love just for the sake of falling in love. And only in VR love, not for real love.
Have like shy quiet girlfriend to follow me around aimlessly and be by myside.
umbral reef
Thats called a pet
indigo fern
that is a pet
umbral reef
Or a robot
rough nymph
Well, not quite because I want to grope her too.
dark narwhal
thats called success
rough nymph
You can't grope your pet. That's just weird.
umbral reef
Thats sexual assault
dark narwhal
you do u man
covert linden
Ok but thats not real love thats fake love if its vr only
So youre not falling in love at all
indigo fern
just find some mute desktopper then
covert linden
You cant fall in love only online its not how it works
umbral reef
And you would not love someone if you want to just grope them and have them follow you around like a pet
covert linden
^
umbral reef
That is FAR from love lmao
That is plain abuse IMO
indigo fern
right now the market is saturated in mute desktoppers, so go wild i guess
umbral reef
Lmao true tho
indigo fern
zinc solar
Don't look for love in VRChat
rough nymph
So you can't pretend VR love is real, completely separating VR from reality?
covert linden
Its called a mobile loli
Pretending tho is different from falling in love
I can pretend to eat doesnt mean im getting full
dark narwhal
i pretend to love myself
rough nymph
I want to fall in love with a character, not a person beyond the character. Is it possible?
zinc solar
Lots of people like to hide their appearance behind an attractive Avatar.
Everyone trying to be sexy on vrchat
dark narwhal
to be fair knuckles avatar are pretty hot
indigo fern
ok, it really sounds like you should find a mute desktopper 
rough nymph
Is it possible for two strangers to be perfectly committed to each other in a VR game, without real life committment?
umbral reef
Im already sexy irl so no need for that online 
indigo fern
covert linden
I mean you can genuienly fall in love in vr not a big deal cloaked
dark narwhal
Nx just need some rp
covert linden
^ he needs that erp
umbral reef
@rough nymph Technically yes- Realistically no your looking for a robot my dude
zinc solar
Don't look for love in Vrchat @rough nymph
rough nymph
Is there AI built into this game that I can build a relationship with?
covert linden
Not all people
zinc solar
Where you trying to go with? I'm curious and worried about what you're trying to look for
umbral reef
Im both an asshole ingame and irl 
!
covert linden
Idk what fake people youre with but my group of friends is all real
covert linden
You seem to hate every aspect of vr that youre blinded man
rough nymph
Is VRChat mostly played by crossdressers and traps?
covert linden
But like I have a genuine friend group, Ive known some out of game for awjile they all act the same. Maybe different for confidence reasons but theyre not hiding their idenity
umbral reef
But cloaked= When is someone not fake then?
proud tulip
is it possible to do something good like find friends and get some pats and hugs in vrchat as mute desktoper?
rigid crescent
why do you continually fall for their bait
just ignore them, let them spew bile, and move on
covert linden
@proud tulip yes
umbral reef
Its fairly hard but why could ya not
rigid crescent
you should know by now this is all they do
indigo fern
mute desktopper 
aww yis
zinc solar
Vrchat is played by some weebs,
Otaku, socially awkwardness, people looking for social interactions, and others
covert linden
But you play
zinc solar
I don't spend my entire life on this game.
empty wharf
I for one value having my identity secret
rigid crescent
Remember the last....dozen or so times they've done it?
zinc solar
Too busy with IRL stuff and jobs
rough nymph
Is there currency in this game yet?
covert linden
I do but I wasnt involved so I assumed it was just being extra
@rough nymph lolis is currency
dark narwhal
sometimes in vrchat i pretend like my hands are real
zinc solar
No, but there is Vrchat prostitution
rough nymph
Is it free?
rough nymph
What's the point?
vocal shard
@zinc solar whaaaaat
zinc solar
I guess helps people bust a VRNut
vocal shard
Is that serious
rough nymph
A virtual nut?
vocal shard
...
zinc solar
Yeah there's actually some people offer Erp 4 money
vocal shard
...
rough nymph
Ok that's weird. Well, I don't want a prostitute loli, I just want a normal one to follow me around and meow at me.
covert linden
Make an avatar with a loli on the shoulder
rough nymph
But then she would be dead, because I can only control me, and if I'm control me, then who is controlling her?
vocal shard
@rough nymph I follow random people. 🙂
rigid crescent
bait talking with bait 
rough nymph
Do you? You would be all I ever wanted!
zinc solar
Quiet Mic. Having a casual conversation
covert linden
Double the bait talking..
indigo fern
zinc solar
You're one to talk. I scheduled a date and wanted to surprise you by not telling you and you never showed up
rough nymph
And Mic thinks everyone is a troll. Probably has the tin helmet with antannae and aluminium suit thing going as well. Clearly they are being pursued.
vocal shard
...
zinc solar
Hey no need to make fun of people
dark narwhal
Im a troll
covert linden
No youre a goblin
zinc solar
Mic is actually very active
indigo fern
im a verified shitposter
dark narwhal
Mic ur cool
zinc solar
I'm a verified complainer
umbral reef
@rigid crescent Join the game 😠
Same for you @indigo fern
rigid crescent
It's pretty easy to tell when someone is trolling, but if you're not NX then I'm concerned for your well being and you should let your parents know there's something troubling you.
rough nymph
Trolls are like the Illuminati of the internet in this day, I suppose that's enough to fear them.
zinc solar
Mic that sounds like you're insulting him
rough nymph
I'm in my mid 30s.
covert linden
Mic has a fair point
rigid crescent
dear lord
covert linden
Oh no. Fbi..
rough nymph
You're being awfully condescending toward someone you don't quite know! It's endearing.
vocal shard
@rough nymph ... Wat
zinc solar
I like how you guys complain about me complaining about Erp and you say don't judge. But now it looks like someone is judging this guy's age?
covert linden
He mentioned lolis..
rough nymph
I have a love for people who love to hate, it's never-ending entertainment and amusement.
zinc solar
:y
proud tulip
ok so how to find friends who will give you headpats as mute desktoper?
vocal shard
...
zinc solar
People have their Kinks. So long as it doesn't turn into IRL stuff I don't judge
twin jacinth
Be cute HarDKitty
dark narwhal
do u know how to make avatars Hardkitty
covert linden
Havent you kinkshamed many times in this chat cloak
zinc solar
Anime glorifies lolis way too much with 90000 y/o lolis
vocal shard
Middle-aged men are actually more fun to hang out with. Mature, great sense of humour, and less drama.
tiny ginkgo
Mid 30s, guy
zinc solar
Yeah but it's only for Erp, and I have a valid reason
proud tulip
no i dont want to learn SDK.. but i do have kitty avatar
umbral reef
@twin jacinth Also in what world are you 
Tried to join ya b ut you where not in the world even though the friendslist said you where (world list didnt so)
tiny ginkgo
Hey there 
rough nymph
On the flip side, Bad Dragon is a thing. Have you seen the size of those things?
covert linden
Erp is illegal if its underage
rough nymph
If you don't know what a Bad Dragon is, I will heavily advise you not look it up.
dark narwhal
tone down the sexual stuff guys
umbral reef
Yeet me an invite then dude
vocal shard
... ... ...
subtle prawn
Just think of a really mean Spyro
zinc solar
Ash you don't know much do you?
covert linden
I know legalities
tiny ginkgo
But Doki
dark narwhal
Hmmmm
covert linden
Doki is a potato
dark narwhal
cuddling isnt sexual Nass its okay
tiny ginkgo
But I'm na...
zinc solar
I once came across a 14 year old girl who openly ERPs with an 25 year old guy during one of my commissions
rough nymph
Most of you are older men. Let's just get that clear here.
tiny ginkgo
Naturally tall
covert linden
Cool cloaked bht its also illegal
zinc solar
Apparently it's not so long as it's in vrchat.
vocal shard
What's "ERP"
covert linden
Whaaat im not an old man im 18 in some days
rough nymph
Erotic Role Play
vocal shard
...
covert linden
15 days nowww
zinc solar
It's basically people air humping on this game
vocal shard
Is that even allowed
covert linden
No
languid beacon
Yeah when I hide an avatar, I want to hide that avatar. If the person switches out, I would prefer I see their new avatar than they stay hidden.
tiny ginkgo
Sure it is in private worlds
rigid crescent
i think it has a canny
dark narwhal
it does
tiny ginkgo
Just don't go making lewd stuff at some strangers in pubs... Welp I think it's like real life!
vocal shard
I'm sure those middle-aged men who takes advantage on underaged girls has a broken marriage to fix.
zinc solar
Mic you ready for tonight's date?
dark narwhal
👀
rough nymph
Well, that subject went serious.
tiny ginkgo
Doki will you go on a date with me?
rough nymph
Good job.
dark narwhal
sure
dark narwhal
ez mode bois
tiny ginkgo
Yay! I don't have a broken marriage but I'll cuddle with you anyways
dark narwhal
tiny ginkgo
vocal shard
...
covert linden
rough nymph
How many of us here are true weebs, and how many are phonies?
dark narwhal
shh u saw nothing Ash
tiny ginkgo
Don't worry about Ashs. I'm your new date
prisma plover
Well... my experience today in FBT: FBT started spazzing out like crazy and being stubborn to fix. Right in the middle of a dance. Great.
rough nymph
To become a true weeb is no simple task.
tiny ginkgo
I'm a phony btw
dark narwhal
oki
zinc solar
No I'm going out with ash after Mic
dark narwhal
phonys are cuties
covert linden
😱
tiny ginkgo
Amazing!
zinc solar
After mic and ash date, Doki is next
vocal shard
...
tiny ginkgo
Oí!
dark narwhal
yus
covert linden
AAAAAAAAAAA
rough nymph
Can you date me, silently?
zinc solar
Sure
dark narwhal
im building my harem
vocal shard
...
dark narwhal
sooo Avysse...
vocal shard
Harem ... Heard that word before.
proud tulip
who is "phony"?
vocal shard
I think it's an anime genre or somethin.
proud tulip
what is it?
dark narwhal
My vrlife is an anime genre
tiny ginkgo
A... Harem
umbral reef
Frikandel broodje @twin jacinth
dark narwhal
superhero
tiny ginkgo
I thought it was just us...
covert linden
Doki has a big harem
rough nymph
A Harem (noun): a collection of things the owner would like to needlessly violate and torture
tiny ginkgo
dark narwhal
Its okay ash is just a housewife
tiny ginkgo
I thought I could make him ditch you
vocal shard
...
tiny ginkgo
Omg I did not say that
covert linden
GASP
indigo fern
covert linden
tiny ginkgo
vocal shard
.
covert linden
Nass do u wear socks
zinc solar
Me and Ash will have a date in my Karaoke bar map.
covert linden
I dont go to bars
tiny ginkgo
No I don't I wear stockings
zinc solar
rough nymph
Do you wear garter belts with a lock and key?
covert linden
Man ur gonna get clapped if a mmod sees lol
covert linden
No
tiny ginkgo
Oh
covert linden
Nx
vocal shard
.
covert linden
Secret
tiny ginkgo
@dark narwhal I think Ashs is being mean
covert linden
NO
dark narwhal
She is just confused
rough nymph
Yes?>
vocal shard
🤔
tiny ginkgo
Help me
rough nymph
I mean, hello, this is not who you were talking to, but someone else.
tiny ginkgo
Hey someone else, I hope your evening is well
rough nymph
Same
tiny ginkgo
O whatever time you're in
rough nymph
Same as your
tiny ginkgo
Well have a good evening then.
vocal shard
It’s 1:38pm for me 🙂
tiny ginkgo
vocal shard
.................
tiny ginkgo
Avysse do you need a hand with all those periods?
vocal shard
..no
rough nymph
btw, you didn't hear anything coming from somewhere else in your home just now did you? Who puts a vase right here, jesus...
tiny ginkgo
You're dropping them all over
Well seeing as I'm alone just me and my wine I do hear things
But I'd welcome any company be it ghosts or even.. Cloaked Schemer
zinc solar
What's wrong with me? Because I don't agree with the creepy side of VRChat? Because I'm against what people use for peer pressure?
rough nymph
That's a shame, I was expecting you would say you had a sig sauer buttoned up and ready, now I feel like a prick for bringing this missile cannon
tiny ginkgo
You're the meanest person on here and I like it
covert linden
Vrchat is like my escape for once im not alone so if people say its shit and everyones fake its kinda mean
rough nymph
Who said that?
zinc solar
Not mean, I'm generous and friendly. Lots of people love me for me, you honestly don't know me outside this general chat
rough nymph
Those are illegal words.
tiny ginkgo
You are absolutely right
rough nymph
Who is absolutely right?
tiny ginkgo
Maybe I will some day
Cloaked
I'm not sure about the cannons .. I'm not good with violence
rough nymph
Nassachi, listen to me, whatever they said to you, don't forget that you have to be the best you can be.
Don't give up, my friend.
vocal shard
... Nice
tiny ginkgo
Wah that's a lot of pressure
rough nymph
It's a cold and lonely dark world out there. Bring your cloak.
tiny ginkgo
Heehee
zinc solar
Ow the edge
rough nymph
gives you a jewel-hilted dagger.
zinc solar
Don't RP here
tiny ginkgo
I'm afraid to joke with Schemer he will just get serious with me and say mean things
vocal shard
E d g e
zinc solar
Nah, I'm laid back. Stop thinking you know me
tiny ginkgo
See?
rough nymph
I think I might not know you Cloaked.
covert linden
I agree nass
rough nymph
Your favorite color is gray?
dark narwhal
Id date cloaked
zinc solar
covert linden
Thats because youre making a big harem
dark narwhal
tru
zinc solar
Too lazy to make a Harem.
rough nymph
Why are you making a harem? Why do you not already have one established? Do you know how much time has lapsed since the definition of a Harem was brought into existence?
vocal shard
I'm the type of person who would drown a fish.
dark narwhal
i had one....
vocal shard
woah
covert linden
Leah id join ur harem
dark narwhal
hi leah
rough nymph
I thought everyone had at least twelve Harems by now.
vocal shard
Ur already in my harem
tiny ginkgo
Drowning a fish?
covert linden
Oh really? Awesome
zinc solar
VRChat Harems are kinda stupid. It's like people watch so much anime, they need to turn everything into a hentai version of it
covert linden
I thought I was your prsonal hoe I didnt knkw I was in a harem
tiny ginkgo
Or men
dark narwhal
mmmhh men
zinc solar
VRChat Harem = one girl, and several mutes/traps
vocal shard
and women if you wanna be cool like me
covert linden
@zinc solar no dissing our harems. Also leah and I are friends outside of vrchat so dont succ my toes
rough nymph
Invite me to your ERP Harem if you must. I'll bring the drugs candy and we'll have a real party.
vocal shard
@zinc solar I'm mute.
covert linden
Leah ily
dark narwhal
im mute
rough nymph
Mutes are the best traps.
vocal shard
Can't afford a mic.
tiny ginkgo
What about the traps?
vocal shard
traps are best
tiny ginkgo
covert linden
Agreeed
vocal shard
Wait ... Mutes = traps?
rough nymph
Mute Trap > Loud Pretentious NarcissistTrap
vocal shard
I've actually never spoken in here so this is nice
zinc solar
Almost a lot of mutes are trap
covert linden
I invited you so long agooo
zinc solar
Perfect excuse
covert linden
Ill just tag you more when funny shit happens
vocal shard
.... ummm
rough nymph
That sounds sweet.
covert linden
Like when people ask if anyone here plays vrchat
vocal shard
It's okay ily @vocal shard
tiny ginkgo
That's why I love mutes
rough nymph
Well, do people who work for Nasa actually go into outer space?
Or do they stage the whole thing
tiny ginkgo
You just accept them as their avatar
vocal shard
Computer stuff
rough nymph
Bottom line is, people who play in VRChat could be faking it the whole time.
rough nymph
When someone in VRChat tells you they love you, its all lies.
zinc solar
You just found that out?
vocal shard
I love everybody you're just mean
covert linden
I know couples who have been together and met IRL. Through vrchat
zinc solar
Sure
rough nymph
Were the both straight males?
covert linden
Maybe you only like the gross side of vrchat since u talk about it so much
zinc solar
Nah, I just find the 'gross' side disgusting and unhealthy
rough nymph
The Dark Side of VR Chat?
covert linden
Searching for negatives
zinc solar
It's called ERP
opaque hawk
There is a dark side
zinc solar
But out of that topic
rough nymph
What's wrong with that?
vocal shard
I love everybody
covert linden
Leah ily more
vocal shard
No ily more
covert linden
NO ILY MORE
opaque hawk
I agree with cloaked but I try not to say it
rough nymph
Sometimes when two people love each other very much, they rent a hotel and they play videogames with each other for hours on end.
vocal shard
I don't mind any side of vrchat as long as I'm having fun.. That's really all the game is there for isn't it
"Several people are typing..."
zinc solar
In my opinion VRLove is hard to define because you love the avatar the person represents and the personality they attached to it. As most people usually compel a persons appearance based on a digital voice, and small interactions
covert linden
I agree leah
vocal shard
This used to be a dead chat 10 mins later woah
Is there a reason ... Why almost everyone here is edgy
I love everybody platonically
covert linden
Idk I vrchat dated and there was a lot of video calling and like actual stuff its legir the same as any other online relationship?
Leah my cousin dmed me bc she wa concinced you loved her romantically and i laughed so hard
covert linden
I know I TOLD HER THAT
zinc solar
Ashs stop bringing up the excuse of "Well I know this and that happened ONCE, that means it happens all the time"
vocal shard
ITS NOT A PHASE MOM
covert linden
@zinc solar I was in a group with dozens of other couples tho?
vocal shard
Y'all realize this is a stupid argument to have right
zinc solar
Makes me question how every counter argument is "this happened"
covert linden
Probably true I just need cuddles leah
vocal shard
Yes of course ily
covert linden
Ok perfectill send u some cute gifslater ;)
vocal shard
They're just arguing about if you actually can love someone over vrchat
I love my family over VRchat
rough nymph
I am the reason why everyone here is eggy. I brought these chickens, and they can't stop popping these eggs out of their bung, who wants a chicken for a pet, not to make soup and crackers? Only one hundred billionths of a penny!
dark narwhal
i love my avatar...
zinc solar
It's like you saying "people never really get pregnant on this game" and I say "well my friend was pregnant when she met someone on this game"
covert linden
Thats nothing like it..
vocal shard
Is this all about Online Dating?
zinc solar
Ehhh, poor example. but close.
vocal shard
I don't really think other peoples love lives should really matter to you if it's not your relationship..
@zinc solar that is not close at all
rough nymph
Get pregnant, and being pregnant are the same exact thing?
vocal shard
dating in VRChat?
You can love someone.. If you really stop being judgemental and calling everyone a trap
zinc solar
it's accurate though
vocal shard
Its not tho
rough nymph
Sex in VRChat causes the stork to come before anything happens, so maybe its not possible.
covert linden
No because people date when they meet on vrchat THEN branch out..
zinc solar
I bring something up and apparently Ash experienced almost everything from "my friends" perspective.
rough nymph
Do you feel lonely sometimes...? I do...
vocal shard
She said people can meet after having dated on vrchat for a while. That's not even close to "getting pregnant in-game"
covert linden
I dated on vrchat wym
zinc solar
:y
rough nymph
What if she got pregnant from the video game itself
vocal shard
lol thats impossible
rough nymph
While she was sleeping at night one night, the video game...erected arose and assaulted her
zinc solar
Only bringing up because anything I bring up you counter with "WELL MY FRIEND DID THIS"
covert linden
Because I know people, But I also know I dated in vrchat
zinc solar
Makes you question the legitimacy
steep turret
what a conversation lol
zinc solar
Sure you do
vocal shard
She dated on vrchat herself and had a good connection with the guy she was with.
covert linden
Its better than your "random strangers do this!"
zinc solar
all we have is your assurance
rigid crescent
🎣 you're doing it again ash
vocal shard
Like I said, this is a stupid argument to have.
rigid crescent
lol
covert linden
I am a fish but I dont like people who dont have common sense
zinc solar
Mic, you too. Assuming everything I say is bait.
rough nymph
Who is having an argument? It looks like a bunch of people are just talking about a bunch of things.
vocal shard
"Are you even real"
"I think you're not"
"Ok if you're not a catfish send a pict"
So people are arguing about Online Dating.
steep turret
fish and bait were brought up so close together I assumed this was a conversation about dishing
rigid crescent
It's easier if you ignore it and let them be wrong, that way they have nothing to talk about.
covert linden
Pics or it didnt happeb
steep turret
fishing
vocal shard
It seems like cloak and ash are having a disagreement over something that doesn't really matter in the first place
dark narwhal
the internet doesnt exist change my mind
steep turret
that's the best disagreement
covert linden
Crap u rite ^
vocal shard
lmao
rough nymph
VRChat is Online Dating 2.0
vocal shard
wait what
zinc solar
Ohh yeah "let them be wrong" because you need your 'safe space' of thinking everything you think is right.
rough nymph
Not only do you get to talk, but you get to go to bed together anywhere you want.
dark narwhal
myspace but with lolis
covert linden
Omg perfect
vocal shard
I didn't know
tiny ginkgo
Hahaha
covert linden
The internet is just a big web of lolis
tiny ginkgo
Ohboi
vocal shard
Ash some women are grown-
zinc solar
covert linden
Are u sure
rough nymph
Is lolis a bad thing?
covert linden
Darn
dark narwhal
grown as in big lolis?
vocal shard
yes big lolis
rigid crescent
It's not a safe space, you are just literally wrong.
rough nymph
Lolis are a good thing. They are an excellent tool to bust predators and lolicons alike.
tiny ginkgo
doki let's sneak off and erp while they argue
covert linden
Am I a big or little loli
dark narwhal
oooohh
zinc solar
Whatever helps you sleep Mic.
dark narwhal
oki
rigid crescent
ok
zinc solar
Yeah, lolis are bad. I had a few ERP commissions for loli avatars
covert linden
I help mic sleep
vocal shard
anybody wanna rp or talk with me in VRChat?
rigid crescent
I don't sleep 👌