Is that headset any good?
#vrchat-general-2
wispy moat
covert linden
Yes, @vocal shard uses it and likes it
vocal shard
i want to make friends around my age that are not complete mutes and use crashers and stuff lmaoo
lyric light
well... it is "mixed"
wispy moat
Also, the cheapest Oculus Rift headset I can find is for 400 on amazon
If I could find one for 300 that'd be sick
lyric light
where i live it cost 1,000$+
covert linden
@lyric light where do you live..?
wispy moat
It's 450 on the site though 
covert linden
@wispy moat riftt is the best you can get for vrc comfort wise, if you cant afford that the next best is wmr
lyric light
can't say. :/
covert linden
Strange jt has american prices for you
wispy moat
It says €450 euros.. But I swear I remember being able to get one for €300 in 2017
lyric light
it's converter into USD to be 1k. :/
lyric light
i'm talking about the "HTC Vive" btw
covert linden
The pro is 1k
lyric light
yup... and the only VR headset in the entire country...
polar crown
When i try and join the mmd dance stage world, the game freezes for like a minute and then kicks me to home
wispy moat
@covert linden Can I get touch with WMR though?
covert linden
@wispy moat wym touch?
@lyric light I doubt the pro is the only available for your country, if the pro is available the regular 500$ headset should be too since its the same country
lyric light
nope... i've looked... -_-
wispy moat
oh well like controllers, cuz I only see headsets on the site
wispy moat
Watching a review right now, the Acer one doesn't look too good
should probably just save up and get an oculus
covert linden
Watch the kne I sent
Oculus is the better choice if you can afford it, I have one
@lyric light looked on the vive website itself?
lyric light
in a way, where i live is a black spot, nothing is going thru here...
i'm even one of the only few english speakers here... -_-
(i've only seen 5 people that speak it)
. . . sigh... if i just got a bit annoying, then i apologize. :/
vocal shard
What's up
rotund pike
o/
coarse wyvern
is there any way i can turn down graphics on vrchat so i get less lag when using a vr headset
night wedge
for real?
rotund pike
lol
vocal shard
yerp
rotund pike
his avatar is in vrchat
rigid crescent
He was on not too lnog ago since he did another video about it i think
languid beacon
Lag Free Box be like https://i.imgur.com/o73yoEz.png
vocal shard
i feel like the chuknuckles is going to be a new meme lol
I'm starting to see it everywhere just like how ugandan knuckles started in 2018
rigid crescent
it's been a thing for like 2 weeks at this point im pretty sure
rigid crescent
It's already going up, we hit 10k again last weekend for no reason whatsoever
sullen escarp
i think it hit 11k at some point on new years
rigid crescent
and 11k the a few days before that for new years
sullen escarp
ninja'd boi
hasty wedge
rigid crescent
assuming they can log in 
hasty wedge
🏃 ミ
covert linden
Yeah pretty impressive
vocal shard
Pretty sure this time last year knuckles was much bigger. Don't think chungles is going to hit same level
sullen escarp
lol
covert linden
Im happy about that.. I just like normal knuclles..
dark narwhal
hmm i thought we capped what we hit back then
rigid crescent
does the bot only track Steam?
also Pewdiepie's video was just yesterday so the 10k is unrelated
dark narwhal
well takes time for people to get the game
vocal shard
Didn't see too much of an increase in traffic from PewDiePie video
covert linden
I miss the knuckles
rigid crescent
This weekend could be interesting.
dark narwhal
and the pants
covert linden
I need the pants
coarse wyvern
Is there any way i can turn down graphics on vrchat so i get less lag when using a vr headset?
covert linden
@coarse wyvern enter through steam and hold shift when yoy press play
vocal shard
you can turn down vr graphics in your vr settings
covert linden
Then change it to desktop low or vrlow
coarse wyvern
I've held shift when pressing play before and nothing has happened
dark narwhal
can you change it in properties?
sullen escarp
hold it down until the game opens
covert linden
It should pull up a control page. Makr sure to hold it as long as mage said
dark narwhal
thx
flint ore
dark narwhal
coarse wyvern
willow dragon
I find it very comforting to have my head patted and hair played with irl, haven't played enough vrchat to decide if it feels the same in desktop yet
dark narwhal
u may be dissapointed
willow dragon
Without vr I am dubious of how real it'll feel but hey some semi-real pats are better then none at all
willow dragon
My ex used to play with my hair a lot, bittersweet memories
covert linden
My ex didnt know how to touch people well so it felt weird
willow dragon
Oh at the start we were both awkward as hell but we spent 2 years together so by the end they were like pats from an angel
wispy moat
Huh, game randomly said "disconnected" and threw me out of the server. First time getting this. Is this just me or?
Stuck on a black screen now.
willow dragon
Might of been someone being malicious
hollow umbra
Always check task manager
wispy moat
rip
willow dragon
F
hollow umbra
When someone is attacking me, it’s usually directly towards my cpu or ram
There a huge ram or cpu spike that causes the whole game to freeze
novel crown
anyone else having issues saving and unsaving avatars?
lyric light
you mean the favorites list?
novel crown
yes
lyric light
then also yes, didn't change for two days, then it did on it's own.
rigid crescent
everyone basically has the issue
lyric light
looks that way...
stone current
why do launch links open another tab of vrchat
umbral reef
@rigid crescent im from europa ye
rigid crescent
oh someone was asking about finding a VR headset there but that was hours ago
prices or somethin
umbral reef
varies per eu country anyway
vivid pecan
has anyone here ever seen a Ricardo milos model in vr chat?
tiny ginkgo
I hope the day will never dawn
tiny ginkgo
Litt
mighty galleon
come play dark souls 3 with me someday
vivid pecan
@tiny ginkgo is that supposted to be a edgy quote?
mighty galleon
lol
tiny ginkgo
It's not really a quote is it
tiny ginkgo
I didn't play Destiny after maxing my char in the first. I lost interest. I heard the 2nd one should be better but I never got to pick it up
vivid pecan
what is it then a edgy comment?
tiny ginkgo
Hye are you okay my friend?
vivid pecan
I’m good
tiny ginkgo
Happy to hear
vivid pecan
you?
mighty galleon
hmm what other multiplayer games do i have....
tiny ginkgo
I'm decent as well thank you
vivid pecan
nice but not going to lie your name and your profile picture reminds of people that you usually see on tumblr
tiny ginkgo
I'm not sure what to say to that.
mighty galleon
nass you perv
mighty galleon
ill let hyetime explain
vivid pecan
well to be honest tumblr has lots of types of people that you don’t want to know
vivid pecan
well brother we have things in common we are both doing ok
and we both don’t want to know nothing about each other
queen mango
👀
undone ruin
so its like 8-9 hours before itll let you upload custom content
vivid pecan
ricardo milos pic not obvious enough
mighty galleon
i always thought nass was into women
mighty galleon
what else am i gonna say i dont know all the pronounces people are these day
mighty galleon
ok
tiny ginkgo
I'm just messing with you, you can say what you want my friend
mighty galleon
ima call you a whatchamacallitthingymabob
tiny ginkgo
viral yacht
Anyone having lag with un-favouriting avatars and them still being there? I’m trying to favourite new ones but it’s not working
stone current
wow the weight painting on this avatar is bizarre.. https://i.gyazo.com/49edb85bc90986dcee93049548311199.png
rigid crescent
everyone. favorites are bugged
umbral oracle
@umbral oracle favorites are delayed by a few hours yes (I like I now show up when you search for everyone)
queen mango
umbral oracle
just give it time
umbral oracle
[note to self]
queen mango
But yea.. API's havin a bit slow time right now
It didn't seem to happen a lot, few months back
quartz basin
Have you already done your 100 push-ups today?
long venture
tiny ginkgo
That makes me ill to look at
mighty galleon
<.<
cosmic sentinel
Hey buddies, i think there was this one space station world with avatars of cats wearing space suits
has anyone heard of it?
elfin holly
BITCH LASAGNA
long venture
theres an odd bug like getting stuck in menu mode not being able to move and such
umbral oracle
Yeah if that happens you have to rejoin the instance. They made that easy: open menu in worlds tab, hit the top left button with the current world, and simply press Go
slow canyon
So people are managing to bypass safety settings to display stuff on your screen, crashing the entire lobby
mighty galleon
thats always been a thing
slow canyon
Interesting
umbral reef
Doubt it
Big odds it's someone you don't have fully blocked
dark dagger
Is widows 10 update are safe?
umbral reef
Unless an avatar is fully blocked they can crash ya
slow canyon
They can also teleport you to them repeatedly
dark dagger
I heard someone's steam VR broked
umbral reef
@dark dagger windows 10 is the most safe one
And I heard Europa is going to build a big space robot
(both are just claims and both are prob wrong)
mighty galleon
oclac
umbral reef
Sean
queen mango
I don't see red
queen mango
Hello there
vocal shard
Ssup
olive mulch
cheeki breeki
rotund wren
Glad to see you got an appropriate name Oclac 😉
umbral reef
queen mango
Haven't been seeing ya much, Luci
rotund wren
I got irl work now :(
mighty galleon
<.<
rotund wren
Yeah plus I'm taking some time away from vrc after a year of almost every day active it finally burnt out for me
rotund wren
Sorry almost 2years now
rotund wren
That and I'm tired of being logged out by small pp users ;)
queen mango
Yea.. that too
inner cape
how do you even find them 
inner cape
just, don't go to the damn box then?
queen mango
It's basically a DC client hotspot now, as I've heard
rotund wren
They're also in pug and pretty much every public world
olive mulch
y do people always go to the box
queen mango
inner cape
I go to the pug very often, basically spend entire days there, I barely get shit
queen mango
Only lotsa people looking at the small mirror
vocal shard
I go to the box to look at the mirror
queen mango
Isn't there a better mirror at the NieR: Automata Flowers map?
rotund wren
I think the mods arnt bothering to do much right now because a huge percentage of the game is now using the hacked client most thinking they're being white knights of the game and only doing it to toxic users but that's just making the client more popular so they're doing just as much bad as the ones using it for malious attacks.
Banning so many people who depleat the number of players. Most of them are trusted users using it. I think they're more focussed on patching the ability to do it instead which is fair enough they got rid of crashers that way with the trust system settings
vocal shard
I just use the safety settings
queen mango
As if there are many moderators in the game in the first place
Because of the sudden explosion in players, mods may have found themselves in a pitch.
dull mesa
well I still find crashers all the time
rotund wren
Most of them are the discord mods and they have to take picture and post it in their private discord to get the user banned. So there is still a process and they can't ban on the spot
dull mesa
yeah which sucks
analog schooner
Speaking of moderators, I came across a worrying situation a few minutes ago.
rotund wren
I think it would be best to allow world creators to assign users to be mods to their worlds. This way there is way less stress on the mods and world creators can keep their world clean and played as meant to be played
queen mango
That may be better in theory than in practice
analog schooner
I didn't get a glimpse of who did it, but I started glitching around one of the worlds. Then I was thrown out of it and a loud ear-piercing screech with an image containing a link showed up.
Thankfully it wasn't grotesque
queen mango
Imagine the PTSD you might get.. 
analog schooner
Not gonna lie, little bit too afraid to go back on VRchat
inner cape
um wot
umbral reef
@rotund wren What would you think about a more of a trust moderation system
that if you are well known and 'trusted' you get a better and faster way to report?
(With a guide to learn how to properly report and ect naturally then)
inner cape
what are you afraid of
analog schooner
Loud ear-piercing screeches
inner cape
analog schooner
And what could be potentially dangerous
rotund wren
They'd have to be super strict with it. I've seen trusted users in friend groups with some mods be meliousius when they're not around. For example Sombie.
umbral reef
Im not talking like official staff. For example how the current senior chat mods have an way to instantly report someone.
And its ofcours not fool proof but once there would be enough in public pugs there becomes a higher risk of doing bad stuff in public. Because there is no risk of doing bad things in public right now
rotund wren
I think that the report system in game should also work as a kick if 50+% of the room has reported a user it obviously means something is wrong and they should be removed from that instance
umbral reef
Could be abused big time though if its automated
rough pulsar
Do remember that the senior chat mods are users the vrchat team generally trust, vs 'trusted user' as a rank which is defined by some vague algorithm.
umbral reef
@rough pulsar What i meant is also about hand picked users but larger scale
rotund wren
Oh yeah we're talking about the actually trusted users in game determined by the system
rough pulsar
Oh yeah them too, (shush, I've just woke up)
queen mango
The hierarchy unfolds even further.
rough pulsar
VRchat's userbase is large enough now the degree of direct interaction between the vrc team and the userbase is very different compared to a year or so ago.
umbral reef
But for example
Get some world creators, avatar makers, community owners, streamers ect (Even if i dislike that im listing those). Extra information on how to exactly report a user.
Give clear cut rules for when something is reported right and not to them.
You first off get motivation to report them as well.. Good proof means higher odds of getting the filth out. And you get a trickle down effect.
Or normal users who reports load. That they get 'marked' so there reports get processed faster because they are 'trusted' with reporting.
Ofcours they need the same proof, still need to email and everything. But it gets split from the "Oi Oclac#5566 said i was mean 😢. Help me please!"
"I got crashed in The Box around 12:00 am! Fix this stuff!"
rotund wren
Eventually though there would be so many with that it would just end up as flooded as the current. Unless they strictly regulate it
umbral reef
Thats the whole point of it
If someone reports shitty even after being guided. Remove them from the list and no re
queen mango
Speaking of which.. I was once warned by a moderator in that talent show that doesn't exist anymore..
It was 5-7 months back
I dunno who.. but he has a reason
rough pulsar
I think a fully functional reporting system in vrchat itself would help.
Like you click report user and at some point it asks for evidence and pulls the camera out.
hasty wedge
thats just the instance master elire 
rough pulsar
private->friends+ instance creators can issue warnings I think, and world owners can in any instance/type I believe.
queen mango
I deffo got a warning message from the moderator in that map that time
Complied and left, never to visit that world again
analog schooner
Sorry to interrupt by the way but, has anyone ever come across a grief where someone puts a static image on your screen?
queen mango
I had those a few times
umbral reef
Yes- Go into the user list and start blocking peeps one by one to see who is it and make sure to report there avatar
analog schooner
Unfortunately I couldn't figure out who did it
rough pulsar
You can also fire off safe mode (both triggers & grips, something else on desktop mode) and show avatars one by one until you see it again
queen mango
Tbh.. I use safety/security mode to hide avatars that would be a big oof to my framerates.
Since my laptop's a bit low-ended these days.
rough pulsar
Same, when I'm on stage at improv I block all avatars and show just who I need to see.
It's not ideal but it generally works.
queen mango
Speaking of that, I seem to have a problem with the show avatar option. The user's avatar I want to see doesn't load in for me
And I may have to reenter the instance to see it
analog schooner
By the way, not sure if possible but are there plans to implement tools to prevent hacks similar to VAC?
umbral reef
Well... What would they monitor for?
Hacked clients? Just prevent them from using the exploits they use instead...
Crashing? Well imposible pretty much to clear without false flags
safe prism
this game doesn't have a competitive aspect
analog schooner
True
safe prism
there is no reason to prevent hacks outside of griefing
there is nothing you can't just reopen the game to fix
rough pulsar
Main problem is the inconvenience of it all. Having to restart vrchat and rejoin whoever you were with.
umbral oracle
Yes show avatar will often leave people permanently as blue loading guy until you reenter - but rejoining the same instance using the worlds menu does fix that
World -> top left button -> go. Usually is pretty fast
rough pulsar
The only thing you can really lose from having to restart is if you were with some cool people and got crashed before you friended any of them.
queen mango
Yea.. that's the issue with that option
rough pulsar
That and your dignity.
rough pulsar
Well, you can but it requires work and understanding the output log a little.
queen mango
Was talking about the majority who aren't aware of that
zinc solar
umbral oracle
!outputlog And self restraint against reopening vrchat before you have time to copy the output log
floral flaxBOT
You can find your output log at C:\Users\%Username%\AppData\LocalLow\VRChat\vrchat named output_log.txt
zinc solar
!online
floral flaxBOT
There are 5780 users in VRChat currently
zinc solar
Scrubs
queen mango
Umm.. isn't there that VRCBot on the side already?
queen mango
Swipe right
umbral oracle
Hmm? Works fine on ios.
queen mango
Swipe left, you'll find it
zinc solar
Too lazy
rough pulsar
too lazy to swipe, but not enough to type 4 keystrokes 🤔
zinc solar
Want to take this outside?
queen mango
No.. bed
zinc solar
Buy me dinner first
rough pulsar
THEN AGAIN there was that time I set up remote access to a PC that was 5cm outside of reach just to turn the volume down
umbral oracle
Let's take it to my dreams. I'm about to fall asleep then I'll have at you
queen mango
Laziness always finds a way.
umbral reef
@rough pulsar Should have gotten a stick and slammed the pc as thats less effort
zinc solar
Sometimes I get too lazy to sleep or too lazy to be lazy
rough pulsar
Didn't have any sticks within reach
and I absolutely didn't want to stand up to be able to reach the volume control
umbral oracle
It's always me typing out lengthy responses to messages on my phone, while sitting at my desk with discord open on the computer in front of me
queen mango
Basically me in a nutshell
Not bothering to play Red Alert 2 if there's a good convo going on right now
zinc solar
I need a good game to buy
I'm looking for something that's like a strategy game. You know build forts and try to defend your base
Something like "they are billions"
analog schooner
Plants vs Zombies?
queen mango
No, CnC Red Alert 2
zinc solar
It's kind of funny I've had two Witcher 3 for two years and I've never played it yet
I'm still too lazy to play it
queen mango
It's a 2.5D RTS video gane developed by Westwood Studios
safe prism
i have every assassin's creed yet i've never played any of them
same for a lot of AAA games i have
all 3 witchers but never played any
am i broken
zinc solar
I'm so bored, I need a fun game to play and I really love to play strategy games or something like Roller Coaster Tycoon when I build my own place.
safe prism
planetary annihilation if you wanna go the RTS route
sanctum 1/2 for tower defense fps
queen mango
Well, I have all 4 Uncharted games.. but I never play them much
Plus, The Last Of Us
safe prism
x4 for grand strategy
uh uh
rise of industry for logistics/production strategy
planet coaster is amazing replacement for RCT series
interplanetary for this really weird planet-to-planet warfare strategy game
queen mango
PlanetSide 2, for massive combined-arms battles
safe prism
cities: skylines if you like city-building but it gets WAYYY depthy
oh ayy
i'm admin of the ps2 discord
queen mango
👀
safe prism
c:
jade stirrup
queen mango
May I request permission for a surveillance view on the Discord, okano?
queen mango
Nvm, I got in
inner cape
tacit plank
Can adding yourself cause issues?
queen mango
I.. haven't tried that out
inner cape
@tacit plank no
lyric light
k...
tacit plank
K what?
lethal summit
crashed today with 100% safemode off because fo those idiots with modded client
tacit plank
You can get crashed with safemode on too
lethal summit
yes
even some of the stuff like particle effects you can still see them (even u have them disabled)
and finaly he decided to kick everyone out....
kicked out with no message...the hackers are here (since he saw that the crashing didnt work on us...)
earnest harbor
welcome to the poorly protected game of vrchat
umbral reef
That's something we theorized on how to do even before it got implemented @safe prism
safe prism
someone with a lot of time figured it out
umbral reef
Same that there are shadere that look shit when blocked
safe prism
i don't think it ever leaked
rigid crescent
lol if there's a shader that looks like shit or a "unblock me!" shader, I'm more likely to just block the avatar altogether
safe prism
xd
lethal summit
spamming so fast till your game crashes.
so.,..no matter what safety u use....it cannot block that
if they cant crash u.. they just kick u
rigid crescent
oh i remember that
lethal summit
they have more ways to kick u out
a kick with no message or vrchat is not responding message
or some times blank screen (but then you cant join any map until u restart the game because of that message on the blank screen keep poping up)
jade stirrup
queen mango
umbral reef
@jade stirrup we really should get you some clothes
languid beacon
The trust system is broken, more and more I’m hearing that people are actually getting green user full rights and blocking features on known and trusted because those are the people that normally crash
quartz basin
Always record yourself to get those cunts banned.
rigid crescent
No reason to block anything but animations on anyone
languid beacon
I never experience anyone crashing anyone
median basalt
@rigid crescent I've seen people that were bold enough to put crashers on themselves that only activate if you have animations disabled
I haven't seen any avatar crashers in an extremely long time, only modded client users as expected
rigid crescent
Yeah, well that's the extreme, extreme minority tbh
so it's almost a non-issue at the moment
median basalt
Haven't seen any recently either
I remember it being a thing when it just came out
rigid crescent
I'll see a model-based one every so often, but yeah it's a lot less common since it's just a waste of time these days.
languid beacon
I really believe the crasher kiddies are really limited to who hang with and in what worlds. If you aren’t in lag box or presentation, you probably won’t get crashed.
median basalt
I never visit the box
rigid crescent
I'll go if I have friends there, but that's about it.
rough pulsar
Avoiding the box is generally a good idea
native plank
Preach
median basalt
I especially avoid public ones
vocal shard
DEUTSCH???
rigid crescent
Yeah, public ones are jsut flat out a waste of time. I'll hang out in a Public Pug since a lot of friends visit them, but for the box it's usually just Friends+
languid beacon
Avoiding the box is a good idea, but not Avoid the Box, that one is actually really good
rough pulsar
Box Avoid Game I believe it's called, fun & frustrating
queen mango
I haven't tried out the world yet.. what's it do?
rough pulsar
You have to get through a corridor with moving boxes, and avoid touching them.
Each level gets more and more ridiculous, it's great
languid beacon
Ok it slowly becomes bullet hell its a platformer at the start lol
queen mango
I should try it out when I got time tomorrow.
Right now it's 11:13 PM
And I still don't wanna sleep
languid beacon
The final level is a full on choreographed song which is awesome
languid beacon
Avoid Box
If you bring friends I recommend sticking to the same level otherwise you’ll see different things. Every level re-uses the same corridor
queen mango
No I meant the song at the end
polar bone
rigid crescent
so? lol
polar bone
He was avoiding you
languid beacon
“Honig is off it’s safe to play my game now”
queen mango
polar bone
zinc solar
Sub scrubs and scrubbettes
I just realized, any avatar with the super crown is a trap.
tiny ginkgo
Hi meanie
rigid crescent
No they're not
tiny ginkgo
How are you?
zinc solar
Yes it does
Browser turns into a girl, boo turns into a girl, goomba turns into a girl, uganda knuckles turns into a girl
rigid crescent
Uhh
zinc solar
It's basically a trap crown
rigid crescent
its canon use is turning a girl into another girl
zinc solar
Only for one character
bright trail
basically it’s up to interpretation
zinc solar
everything after that is a guy turning into a girl
safe prism
are they traps if they didn't want to be a guy in the first place
zinc solar
Needless to say, I'm calling all avatars with the crown a trap
queen mango
zinc solar
rigid crescent
My avatar is a girl and my version with the crown is a girl 🤔
bright trail
well, except for the ones that were previously female right?
polar bone
What if you put the crown on a girl
zinc solar
So a trap
polar bone
Do they become male?
queen mango
She becomes even more of a girl
zinc solar
A reverse trap?
safe prism
a double girl
rigid crescent
The canon use of the crown is on a girl
zinc solar
I've seen some male versions of characters with the crown
rigid crescent
it specifically turns you into peach
bright trail
but that makes no sense. the crown is a peach crown
queen mango
Since the Super Crown is basically a girlifier
rigid crescent
or Peach-ish
safe prism
feminize the world
zinc solar
But everyone use it as an excuse to be a sexy crown
bright trail
unless peach is secretly a trap then it’d just be girl^2
safe prism
put the crown on earth
polar bone
Put the crown on Marth and you get lucina
safe prism
lucina is bae
zinc solar
Ohhh shit!!! new conspiracy!! If the crown turns you into peach, then does that mean peach is not her tru appearance?
queen mango
Though I've seen a small comic strip where Mario cuts down a lot on his weight and buys some girlish clothing, complete with long hair wig
bright trail
that’d just be a genderbend crown not a peach crown
safe prism
this is how it works
zinc solar
What if the crown is put on a trap?
safe prism
that's not a conspiracy it's LITERALLY canon
zinc solar
Like, give felix argyle a crown
queen mango
And apparently violates some things.. like his nose and moustache being just an attachment
polar bone
Guys let's put the crown on princess peach
safe prism
oh yeah i know that one
peach won't give the crown so he just becomes a girl the hard way c:
safe prism
she i guess uwu
queen mango
But ey.. that's not gonna go away so soon unlike those with the Super Crown
bright trail
i feel like reproductive organs wouldn’t be altered but uhhh. up for interpreting i guess
polar bone
No
zinc solar
If you put the crown on pill?
safe prism
why wouldn't they
viscid seal
its just pill with unity chan hair
bright trail
currently remembering that weird comic about preggo bowsette yikes
safe prism
why does it matter
bright trail
bc trap or no trap
zinc solar
Put a crown on tupper, turns into a buff male cirno
polar bone
Am I the only non anime pfp here
safe prism
you're putting too much stock in genitals again
rigid crescent
you're a meme pfp, that's arguably worse lol
bright trail
if it turns you into a full on girl then there should be a like... bowser crown
rigid crescent
but bowser doesn't wear a crown
bright trail
that way girls can become dudes. ez
zinc solar
Turns you into a turtle
rigid crescent
there's the bowser suit from Mario Party but that's about it
zinc solar
Mic, you must make a buff male version of your avatar with the super crown
rigid crescent
why would I do that lol i don't even use the super crown any more
zinc solar
Well, I mean I was going to do that
modern sand
#general-media pls
polar bone
sowwy
polar bone
No
bright trail
even a girl turned into .. girl squared?
queen mango
I'm still surprised they haven't made a full-blown trap avatar with a toggleable Super Crown appearance on him
safe marsh
Super Crown? owo
languid beacon
Lesser known Fun fact. Worlds can change your avatar to any blueprint the owner knows at any time without your interaction or for any reason. Fully Working super crowns are possible.
ruby frigate
🤔
vocal shard
That sounds epic
Does anyone wanna play VRChat with me later? None of my friends play it because they don’t like it without the VR Headset
polar bone
@languid beacon what do you mean
languid beacon
@polar bone The avatar pedistals is just a prefab that triggers UseAvatar OnInteract. But you can call UseAvatar from any trigger you make yourself, not just OnInteract, and not just on a pedestal.
jade stirrup
Yeah some clothes would be nice during this cold weather coming, @umbral reef
languid beacon
So it example you can make a banhammer that turns people into copies of the grey blocked avatar when they get hit with it lol
polar bone
Why hasn't anyone don't that
Also that would be perfect for an infected type game mode
languid beacon
Not many people know worlds can do it also I’m not 100% sure it would be accepted in a public world
polar bone
That's what I think
languid beacon
Changing peoples avatars without their input might be against the rules? Idk
Harmless fun though as a gimmick in a private world
zinc solar
Hamburger or Hambooty?
lethal summit
wonder when vrchat gonna fix those crashes
im kinda tired of these crashing right after ive joined the sv
torn nebula
Changing people's avatars would be really annoying for FBT
lethal summit
once my safety avatars is on...i cannot reverse it back till il reconnect on the map or game restart
languid beacon
I think eventually fbt calibration will be manually invoked instead of happening automatically on avatar change. At least, I would really love it to not happen on every avatar change
Most of my avatars have the same skeletal structure and only the skinned mesh or props change
rough flax
SJW settings? 
Don’t worry I use them to, but only to help my frames
Back in my day, we had no safety settings, and all the avatars in the world loaded in a pedestal!
languid beacon
And we had to upload our avatars in 6 feet of snow.
tacit plank
A year ago there was basically no crashers
Some morons would make their avatar bright enough to remove shadows from the entire void club, but at worst they'd take off a few FPS or blind you
languid beacon
I’m surprised there can’t be an analytical solution to this. Like, see which accounts seem to be consistently in instances with lots of disconnects
tacit plank
That would probably harm users with weak internet connections
But yeah, there should be multiple ways to easily find possible trolls
tacit plank
And honestly, the system already knows which avatars are shit. I saw an avatar with 500k polygons earlier
It was on a new user, so he probably found it on a world (or got it with a hacked client)
The avatar creator was a trusted user though
languid beacon
A person being crashed will be in fewer instances where a crash happens then the crasher themselves so
stone current
yea but theres also unrelated crashing
like physics bugs in a game that someone could exploit to cut frames to 5%
languid beacon
Yeah but I’m sure patterns would emerge
I think you could get pretty confident data
stone current
honestly report-what-u-dont-want is probably good enough but people just block crashers instead of reporting them
which is somewhat reasonable but also kinda devoids the idea of getting rid of trolls
tacit plank
Mods should compile a list of most blocked avatars (this is not difficult to do) and have a look at them
stone current
unless u manage 2 rank them 2 nuisance
languid beacon
A person with a bad connection would only disconnect themselves
tacit plank
Chances are they will find a lot of trusted users with shitty and malicious avatars
If they actually started banning, people would fear consequences. Right now nobody gives a fuck, because you have to be very unlucky to get banned even if you're teleporting around or using avatars which are heavier than the world itself
languid beacon
I think they do track interaction with avatar blueprints. If a blueprint gets lots of blocks I think they do get data on it I mean if I made the system I’d make it that way :p
umbral reef
They do punish the creator for it though with bans... @rigid crescent
tacit plank
They need to do two things though:
Check avatar worlds every now and then, especially if they're uploaded with placeholder pedestals
Ban the creators of horrible avatars (malicious ones, not those just slightly above the limits)
rigid crescent
yeah they need to start wiping 5.6s
tacit plank
People have no idea how the game engine works though. I've even had to hide avatars of friends
20 dynamic bones is fine. 100 is probably tagged as very poor, but I don't mind it. But why do people use ones with 2K+ collision checks in big public instances?
Also saw an avatar with 86 materials yesterday
obsidian cedar
sup weirdos
rigid crescent
They need to just start checking 5.6s and privatizing avatars instead of just removing the world
or remove the poorly optimized ones outright
tacit plank
And I honestly don't know how many bans they do, but there's plently of trusted users with crash avatars and hacked clients. The rate of people becoming trusted seems to be bigger than the rate of bans, which makes no sense
rigid crescent
Oh absolutely, I've heard of more people being banned for "social" issues (harassment, off-color humor etc) than ones banned for modded clients, crashing, etc
tacit plank
And I think that you should be allowed to use whatever avatar in private instances, even if they're poorly optimized. But if they're used in public and hidden/blocked a lot, lock the avatar and give them a warning or something. I think there's a setting in the API which stops avatars from being used in public actually
obsidian cedar
banning people for edgy jokes is the most stupid thing ever
languid beacon
Why is it always the edgy people who have a problem with rules :p
prisma plover
Who knows what's going on in the mods heads.
opaque hawk
How edgy we talking here?
willow dragon
Rules are a manifestation of the establishment and edgy people hate the establishment
languid beacon
To be fair harassment should be a bigger deal than crashing people.
tacit plank
If people are rude to you, you can block them
languid beacon
I mean both are bad and against the rules but harassment really is worse
tacit plank
If somebody decides to join you and crash you for hours on end, you're basically fucked
languid beacon
Crashing is a bug that can get fixed
prisma plover
You can block them... but that doesn't mean they won't find a new target.
tacit plank
It is, but it's not fixed, and at the moment it gives assholes power over others
rigid crescent
Harassment really isn't worse lol
tacit plank
Whereas being rude doesn't
rigid crescent
mute, block, they're gone
tacit plank
Harassment is subjective to begin with
tacit plank
Crashers are too. And crashers can get a whole instance at once
thorn otter
Hacks and crashing is much worse and enables harrasment on an almost unmanageable level imo.
prisma plover
Now I wonder... do the mods or dev team even listen to this channel ? 🤔
tacit plank
I agree with that. I don't have to care if people are rude, but if somebody crashes the whole instance, I have no way of defending myself, because the game lets them
A few of them, sometimes
prisma plover
As in, how often ?
languid beacon
Yeah they read it
tacit plank
Not sure
thorn otter
Apparently you can be logged out now too which is a whole other level of trash.
umbral nova
The servers detect use of modified clients, for better or for worse. Even that system is flawed, but it's there.
umbral reef
@prisma plover They dont
languid beacon
Take note of which map you got crashed/logged out on and avoid that map in the future
languid beacon
Your crasher is less likely to meet you again
umbral reef
And evne then- Unless its urgent, your voice is big enough or someone high up gives a fuck to push your comment or idea. It will be read and ignored
prisma plover
@umbral reef So I guess complaining about crashers here as absolutely no purpose except venting.
umbral reef
Right on the kisser
umbral nova
Luhmaou getting crashed. What is this, March 2018?
thorn otter
Honestly I'd pay for an account to play if the price was right to keep edgy teens from risking their cash.
umbral nova
"On the 20th of April, many rogue avatar stealers have plotted on 4chan to invade VRChat and yoink your models"
carmine nebula
XD
umbral nova
Anyone else remember that lol
carmine nebula
Nope, because I didn't start VRC till after that
umbral nova
The good old days of blueprint stealing
carmine nebula
Lul ecksdee
rigid crescent
panic button for the streamers lmao
tacit plank
You can still do that though, eevee?
prisma plover
Actually is the in-game panic button combo still working ? It's been a while since I last used that thing.
rigid crescent
Still works, it jsut sets your trust system to "fuck everything"
then you have to reset it all im fairly sure since it changes your custom settings
tacit plank
Why doesn't it just change to "maximum" instead of fuck your settings?
languid beacon
Maximum is pretty safe but not the same as the old panic mode
Old panic is no avatars except friends
So it uses custom to replicate it
earnest vortex
Hey so Unity just announced they are blocking all services of SpatialOS which is the Cloud Service multiplayer. Does this means Vrchat is blocked?
earnest vortex
If VRchat doesn't use SpatialOS for it's servers VRchat wont be affected.
but if Vrchat Does use SpatialOS servers will shut down.
@covert chasm or @vocal shard Is VRchat affected by this?
opaque hawk
I don’t know what vrchat uses for gameplay. I speculate it’s Citrix
prisma plover
Oh god, I rather not ping the admins.
umbral reef
Guess unreal engine instantly sounds a lot more attractive to loads of devs...
prisma plover
I wonder how developed is the VR support for Unreal tho 🤔
opaque hawk
I can only speculate
umbral reef
Unsure- But all i know is thousands of devs just started to see how much work it would be to move projects onto other engines...
earnest vortex
@prisma plover You can build things while in VR using Unreal
covert linden
Uh oh..
prisma plover
Would VRChat run tremendously better on Unreal ? 🤔
Wait what I am asking, anything runs better than Unity 😂
covert linden
I think itd be laggier and need higher specs
earnest vortex
@prisma plover Unreal has a CRAP ton of optimization tools.
no, Fortnite runs on Unreal and you have 150 people in the same environment accross multipe devices with minimal lag. IT has better optimization tools
if used correctly
odd lava
I think it is not wise to compare title which is developed with huge team on highly skilled developers to user generated content
Likely most popular online game atm 🤔
earnest vortex
@odd lava Im showing what it's capable off. The high end.
anyone can make a crap unoptimized game
odd lava
If you would look at Unity 2018 demos it seems very performant
covert linden
Pls never call fortnite"high end"
You could at least explain the engine through spyro..
prisma plover
Actually... what would be the game that pushes the limit of the Unreal Engine the most ?
earnest vortex
@covert linden if you know anything about networking and synching and getting multiple devices on the same game. Fortnite is a technical achievement in that regaurds
dark narwhal
No
covert linden
Yes
vocal shard
No not affected by it
earnest vortex
ok thank you @vocal shard
prisma plover
And the World was saved that day.
covert linden
Ruubrick likes it when I tag him about lounge pants
prisma plover
Didn't know Fortnite was developed by Epic Games themselves. Since they also make the Unreal Engine itself... yeah it's probably relatively optimized. But it's still Fortnite 🤢
covert linden
Yeah we dont talk about fortnite
umbral reef
Tbh the Fortnite before battle royal was kinda neat
odd lava
Unreal tournament development was killed by Fortnite, saddest day ever T_T
umbral reef
And its the reaosn it ran so smooth form the get go...
It was made with having 4 plays, spam buildings with thousands of monsters spawning
prisma plover
@odd lava I guess they put Unreal Tournament aside to focus on the cash cow first.
odd lava
Obviously, but it is sad nonetheless
prisma plover
I wonder what will be the next popular thing after "battle royale" games 🤔
odd lava
Hopefully arena shooters 😂
vocal shard
hipsters will start up counter strike 1.6 lan parties because it's so retro
tacit plank
Good times though
prisma plover
Digs up Quake III from the pile of old PC trash.
dark wadi
How about lan parties in vr same location- zero ping and full body physics irl hahaha
prisma plover
Full contact fighting in VR. 😬
dark wadi
Digs up quake I frim older pile of trash
prisma plover
Are you sure if was a pile of trash, or a pile of gold ? 🤔
dark wadi
Liked tribes better haha
prisma plover
But yeah actual LAN party in VR. When you lose you can throw your CRT monitor at the other dude's head. 👌
dark wadi
Everyone gets padded armor and rubber edged weapons
prisma plover
And those padded walls like in psychiatric hospitals.
prisma plover
In VRChat ? The main problem is the lack of collision detection I think.
prisma plover
Just need scripting support and then people will just go crazy.
prisma plover
😆
The main problem if collision was enabled between avatars would be that if someone would be kicked in the face and fell down in VR, they could possibly loose their balance IRL too. Resulting in potential injuries.
dark wadi
Sounds like motivation to not get hit but yeah maybe disclaimer entry room... Hmm
rigid crescent
Disabled by default, done
tacit plank
Bigger issues is that your pings will make you have like half a second of delay between eachother
tiny ginkgo
Did you try Blade and Sorcery?
Single Player thing, but even in that, which actually tackles the entire fight club thing well, it feels... Odd
dark wadi
Pings... Whoever thought a few milliseconds would cause so much strife
tacit plank
That said, I wanna touch people... I didn't word that well, did I?
vocal shard
👀
rigid crescent
If only we could still touch other avatars hmmm @frozen trout
dark wadi
Will try it haven't nass
polar bone
Just go to their house and give them headpats in person
lapis nebula
I try and touch people, well, lolis, but, they keep running away
dark wadi
Or position a pillow in their location and pat lol
tacit plank
But in real life they're not 10 year old girls
lapis nebula
True
tacit plank
And head petting real kids is frowned upon if they're not closely related
polar bone
So that's why everyone runs away from me
prisma plover
Not to mention IRL, a kick in the crotch is always a risk.
tacit plank
Not that they can compete with 2D cuteness
lapis nebula
Unless they’re 10 years old and smoke 40 benson and hedges cigarettes every day
@prisma plover to me, a kick in the crotch is foreplay
prisma plover
vocal shard
Ok... This is getting... Odd..
lapis nebula
Welcome to VRChat
vocal shard
prisma plover
Was going to say, oddness is your forte, until you hear the cops.
tacit plank
Joking around for the most part, if I did anything to get me on a watchlist I wouldn't advertise it
prisma plover
I'm on a watchlist.
The suicidal tendencies watchlist.
🤔
tacit plank
People don't want to die, they just want a good life
prisma plover
Indeed. It's just "a good life" often cost a lot comes at a price.
tacit plank
"A good life" is not being very sick, disabled or in pain
stone current
a good life also mean ignoring everyone whos wrong and understanding everyone whos right
tacit plank
Going crazy is usually caused by feeling bad in the first place
prisma plover
Would you agree that there's a certain amount of randomness and factors that are not possible to control in life ?
tacit plank
Yeah, like getting in an accident or something
prisma plover
Or not being able to find a god damn apartment that doesn't cost you a kidney ? 😅
tacit plank
My point is that people are usually sad about problems they can easily solve
stone current
tacit plank
Having a small apartment is not a reason to want to die
tacit plank
That makes sense, but you can still move. Look for other homes, maybe even in other cities. Or live with a friend, etc.
Your situation can suck, but as long as it can technically be solved, I don't see the point in suicide
lapis nebula
Btw guys, gals, and everyone else in between, just fyi, irl I’m nothing like a big fat creepy loli catcher, i may be fat, but, I’d never ever entertain the idea of doing anything rude or perverse to any minors, it’s just a laugh role playing as the VRChat token lolicon, I hope I’ve not caused any offence or upset
tacit plank
Keep fighting. And if that fails, change mindset, find inspiration somewhere, think about stuff, etc.
Good luck with everything
tacit plank
It's funny, your looks change how you're judged
lapis nebula
@stone current shhhhh, you’ll give away my cunning plan to lul them all into a false sense of security
stone current
wat about me i need pats
lapis nebula
Cow pats ?
tacit plank
Be good looking and stare at girls tits and you're a "player" or some other positive word. Be fat and ugly however, and you will be seen as a creep.
Even if everything else about you is identical
stone current
well that universal
prisma plover
Meh... women...
stone current
wamen make ramen 
prisma plover
Meh... humans...
prisma plover
Now do not attempt to mate with dog! 🤢
vocal shard
errant vault
Make that ranem
stone current
make it eminem mixtapes
errant vault
Use as eating contest
queen mango
We really can't eat food in VRC..
stone current
yea u can
queen mango
Only the simulation of it
prisma plover
Would be cool. Actually taking a bite of an apple in VR
stone current
gestures / tool + real apple
tacit plank
I've eaten pizza while being in VR. Didn't even get any on the headset, but I can't say the same about my face
queen mango
@prisma plover They had that once with the fruits on the second Hub
errant vault
Your character gonna have survival stats
stone current
ur character is dead wait till ur next life for revival
magic osprey
website is down
vocal shard
And make Headpats a form of currency. Lol
queen mango
We need a headpat counter too
errant vault
Yes
stone current
omg i wuld be rich
magic osprey
nevermind, it's back
stone current
look at this good boye https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-EpvGNu6Gg0
queen mango
Track the number of headpats to be converted to VRC dollars
vocal shard
- vrchat is gone -
stone current
enjoying his pats
errant vault
Oh yeah Mr krabs
prisma plover
If the VRChat dev team received 1 $ per headpat given in-game, we would probably be running on Unreal Engine now.
vocal shard
if vrchat was gone. I panic
have you not heard
unity made cloud hosted games on their engine illegal
errant vault
Huh
rigid crescent
ok
prisma plover
Meh, they are probably just updating the site.
tacit plank
I'd look for something else where I could be a little girl in VR multiplayer, and then I'd realize that there's only VRChat right now
vocal shard
actually i'm not sure if it affects vrchat
errant vault
Damn
rigid crescent
it doesn't
prisma plover
It doesn't. VR Pill confirmed it.
vocal shard
oh neat
vrchat isnt real
Since unity worked with vrchat to get the 2017 update... I think they're fine with it
its all in ur head
errant vault
It's a mirage
prisma plover
Unity losing VRChat would be very detrimental for their reputation imo.
errant vault
I'm still staying with that game engine for my ai project
errant vault
Have you heard of the high elves?
vocal shard
i mean the whole situation is already detrimental to their reputation
rigid crescent
It'd be fine, something else would just take its place
vocal shard
Roblox 2
rigid crescent
VRChat's existence is the sole thing preventing any other social spaces from taking off
queen mango
Unity being used to make cheap games is the stigma the engine's been receiving for a long time
vocal shard
if it were to actually happen i wonder what the devs would do though
rigid crescent
So if something insane were to ever happen, we'd have a replacement fairly soon
queen mango
I'm afraid it's gonna be validated sooner or later
vocal shard
no its not those games would still be as dead even without vrchat
i doubt they would be able to switch over to a different engine
rigid crescent
A lot of the reason they're dead is because there's an alternative that has name and presence
stone current
u cant just copy and paste things to and from one to the other
vocal shard
i don't care what the term is
stone current
unless they are just like common assets like models
rigid crescent
that alternative being VRChat
vocal shard
no if it wasnt for vrchat there wouldnt be nearly as many vr players
tacit plank
Other "social spaces" are shit
stone current
and would require complete rework of the character system
prisma plover
The VRC dev team took months to move to a different version of the same engine they are already using. Moving to a completely different engine would probably take a decade or something.
stone current
well theres rec room and stuff
tacit plank
There are other VR games, but what's the point if you can only be a default, plastic looking model?
rigid crescent
I'm not saying if VRChat never existing, I'm saying if it just magically disappeared tomorrow.
vocal shard
people are probably jsut not going to play vr games then
stone current
theres High Fidelity but its garbage compared to vrchat
vocal shard
There's enough vrchat direct clones that there would be a "vrchat reborn" or something
stone current
and its also released sooner i think
rigid crescent
lol the community would absolutely move to something else
vocal shard
also its possible that its going to dissapear just like that one day eventually when companies decide to bring out good vr games
rigid crescent
There's no doubt about it.
prisma plover
Somebody could start a VRChat Reborn project on Unreal Engine. It's free too.
rigid crescent
People playing VRChat don't care about "good vr games", they care about the social interaction and fun. No one is playing this game because it's a "good game" lol
languid beacon
Unity was developed for ease of use and low barrier to entry rather than optimization think no one would disagree with that.
errant vault
The people who were still logged in vrchat would be transported to another world as their vrchat avatar
rigid crescent
They play it because it's "fun", that's it.
vocal shard
not bcs its a "good game" bcs its the only game
stone current
HF is opensource apparently https://github.com/highfidelity
rigid crescent
If this game shut down tomorrow, they'd just move to another social space. You can already have MMDs in High Fidelity as far as I know.
It would take some time for people to adapt, maybe a few months, but the community would settle
tacit plank
Cool! Just Googled high fidelity though, and while there appear to be a few custom avatars, there's not a single loli
languid beacon
If you know the ceo of HF you should have no interest in hf. Expert at making new startups and abandoning them
prisma plover
It would not have the familiar, ease of use of VRChat. People would just abandon it.
errant vault
VR Hub
tacit plank
It looks like Sims 2 or something too
stone current
yea High Fidelity released about a year before VRChat
vocal shard
There are better games for sure. Can we even classify vrchat as a game?... But vrchat has the backing, history, and community that makes it so strong
stone current
it has a marketplace and is basically SecondLife but VR and shittier
but its not that bad
rigid crescent
You seem to underestimate the dependency a lot of people have on this game
tiny ginkgo
We should make our own VR Club, with blackjack and hookers
prisma plover
Suddenly no more VRChat ? HTC would be "slightly" pissed.
tacit plank
Can you make your own avatar in it?
stone current
rip FBT
languid beacon
HF will get abandoned as soon as ceo wants to chase the next trend he does it historically
stone current
yea u just upload it to the marketplace and sell it
its not like sinespace where u gotta wait weeks to upload some crappy content
u can also upload it as private content
rigid crescent
There's even guides for High Fidelity MMDs
tacit plank
That sounds cool, but I can't see a single loli avatar, or even a pretty avatar
vocal shard
people are not going to play other social games if it isnt as easy to customize their own avatars and have furry / anime / meme avatars
stone current
its very similar 2 the way u upload content for Tower Unite
tacit plank
Maybe I'm Googling it wrong
prisma plover
^
vocal shard
Didn't high fidelity come out in 2016? How was that a year before vrchat?
rigid crescent
Except it is as easy, they have their own SDK and whatnot. Just upload it yourself.
stone current
vrchat says 2017
vocal shard
On steam. Vrchat came out in 2014
queen mango
VRChat may have existed as far back as 2014
vocal shard
Before steam
queen mango
Small world.
rigid crescent
I'm not going to link it, but literally google "high fidelity mmd"
vocal shard
and not just avatars but also worlds, and how you move around in game
queen mango
That's the Steam version
languid beacon
VRChat existed in dk2 days
vocal shard
Vrchat was ported to steam in 2017, but you could play it in 2014
stone current
yea but it wasnt popular apparently
i havent heard of it until the steam release
where was it released
errant vault
Can't wait to use Udon
stone current
cuz i cant find anything about it
prisma plover
High Fidelity is too clunky on the whole setting up avatars, worlds, instances, etc. The average VRChat player wouldn't put the effort to setup all the stuff I think.
rigid crescent
Again, to say everyone would just "disappear" is silly. People are too dependent on this game, and anything remotely similar, assuming the absence of VRChat, would see quick success.
errant vault
Who knows what kind of ai battle I can make
rigid crescent
MMDs are literally all you need
stone current
yea ppl will prob just stop playing or go to HF or something
umbral reef
Discord gets a VR mode once VRchat dies :^)
stone current
its not like SL or something where being there makes a pretty large difference
vocal shard
no it wouldnt first of all it would need desktop implementation, then the people actually switching with vr to a different game would be a very low amount
prisma plover
But then people would realize what HF is and be like "Meeeh... time to move to something else I guess."
stone current
cuz some ppl have jobs and 'homes' in SL