send pats
#vrchat-general-2
stone current
umbral reef
@tiny ginkgo Not from the touchpad/mouse
tiny ginkgo
What about up arrow
fierce girder
@stone current just wait till auto correct will turn your 'I'm back home' into 'I'm back hoe'.
We will see how fast you can edit then
tiny ginkgo
That works in Slack
stone current
tiny ginkgo
Oh no
vocal shard
Nevermind, the "unable to correct edit" was actually just my ISP pooping itself. I guess.
stone current
wow u cant put emojis when editing message on mobile
umbral reef
Tbh the slowmode here is something i can accept- the bullshit timer within #user-support-old is annoying as fuck though
Its legit imposible to properly help more then one person
stone current
wanted it 2 b 
umbral reef
And even when its just one... The odds are you still get that nice screenshake
vocal shard
You can't put emojis on edited messages on mobile?
stone current
noo
vocal shard
Wow...🤔
vocal shard
But im on mobile...
stone current
just vanishes 4 some reason
fierce girder
Or is it? 
stone current
theres no emoji selector
fierce girder
I just did it
lapis nebula
😀 I’m mobile too, well, ipad
stone current
the button to pick and choose emojis
fierce girder
I'm a magician though, so...
stone current
not there in edit mode
vocal shard
iOS ?
fierce girder
@stone current you have Apple, that's why
lapis nebula
Don’t use edit mode, typos are hilarious
fierce girder
Apple users 🚮
stone current
triggered
lapis nebula
Nothing wrong with Apple users, we just like stuff that “works”
stone current
vocal shard
Let's just agree all phones suck 👌
tiny ginkgo
Dont start that discussion
vocal shard
yup
tiny ginkgo
Ever
stone current
tiny ginkgo
No one cares. Talk about love instead
lapis nebula
Never discuss Politics, Religion, or Apple/Android devices
vocal shard
Only good phone is Nokia 3310. The old 2000 one.
stone current
talk about doggos!
lapis nebula
Wuff
tiny ginkgo
Teeeeeal I will murder you
stone current
stone current
its ruff bein a bork
tiny ginkgo
I will murder you with love
fierce girder
Missing permissions
stone current
uhhh
tiny ginkgo
fierce girder
Guess I'll have to restrict to written memes
stone current
mixed signals
vocal shard
Love for blood
tiny ginkgo
tiny ginkgo
I guess like a puzzle
stone current
is it just one on top and one on bottom
lapis nebula
vocal shard
They probably send their wallet to Discord to get privileges.
stone current
tiny ginkgo
👍:2:
:3::4:
fierce girder
tiny ginkgo
Yeah
fierce girder
That salt...
stone current
vocal shard
So that's basically an emoji collage.
stone current
stone current
vocal shard
Many dogs were shared.
tiny ginkgo
Did you ask all those dogs permission to share their private photos online?
stone current
i am dog
vocal shard
Dogs understand each other I guess.
vocal shard
Property of the government (tm)
stone current
stone current
unless is art or stocc photo yea
tiny ginkgo
I also doubt that just because something is a meme it's public domain
stone current
vocal shard
That is one #FFFFFF doggo.
stone current
i am a puppo
vocal shard
🚓 wooop wooop
tiny ginkgo
I have a good friend.. she's a vet
stone current
vocal shard
doggobunker.jpg
stone current
i wanna make a meme of this https://d348imysud55la.cloudfront.net/thumbnails/2940418688.thumbnail-500.png
tiny ginkgo
That's...
I don't hope that becomes a meme my friend
Sorry. I will have to put it down for the good of us all
stone current
i need to draw eyebrows on top of it
quartz basin
Yiff in hell!
spice surge
._.
quartz basin
It's only hell because you let it become one.
vocal shard
Plot twist: Hell turns out to be a Cool Place (tm)
stone current
xd
nobody perfect my dude so 2 wrongs dont make a right
snipes message to what lol
inner cape
sails is gay
tiny ginkgo
I wonder if that will ever be considered a compliment rather than an insult
I will greet the day with open arms
quartz basin
That is really not a nice thing to say!
vocal shard
its a word that has 2 meanings for most part. if take it the way i said it the old true meaning then its not an insult. but of course depends on the person 
stone current
it kinda is a compliement now
a lot of people are gay
and its not as rude as used 2 be
it being more acceptable
quartz basin
It's not a compliment. It's just a statement. You wouldn't take it as a compliment if someone calls you hetero.
stone current
am bi
tiny ginkgo
It's not about it being rude in the end it's about it being used as a derogatory slurr
vocal shard
inb4 a mod of some kind gets triggered
stone current
eee
vocal shard
id be becareful
stone current
inb4 tupper deletus pupper
umbral reef
_ helps _
vocal shard
Just say it and someone will probably offer to help
fierce girder
You can call gay = custom settings
Straight = default settings
spice surge
QAQ
vocal shard
Depends how advanced you are, and how complex the avatar is.... If you're looking for help how to make one yourself, check out #avatars-2-general
If you're looking for someone to make one for you, go to avatar traders discord found in #community-servers-old
vocal shard
Lol
tiny ginkgo
Interesting but I think you helped
earnest harbor
well dang, according to the api tool I should be trusted but I'm still known 🤔
quartz basin
Always rank yourself one down what the API is telling you.
earnest harbor
yeah but over 900 hours, 80 avatars uploaded and 4 worlds
quartz basin
Maybe you did something which deranked you.
errant vault
neat pasture
@mild acorn do u guys have the knuckles dev kit? Are u going to add support for them once they are released?
neat pasture
found it
earnest harbor
I love how people just assume I run around in cancer avatars lol, but no I only have 24 blocks against me thus far
quartz basin
No one made that assumption.
vocal shard
I asked this in the public channel but um has anybody experienced a sudden general frame drop on vrc? I just loaded the game and my frames is already at 12-14 versus my usual 80-90.
hi
earnest harbor
in vr?
vocal shard
i have a question
quartz basin
Checked your system load via task manager?
vocal shard
Desktop mode! And sorry, how do I check that?
can i ask it
I don't know what a system load is.
is it allowed that i look at other people privaate parts
quartz basin
@vocal shard Open the Task Manager and see what maxes out. Either CPU, RAM or GPU
Also Bill Gates, fucking what?
umbral reef
@quartz basin don't fall for the bait
umbral reef
Read the game rules
umbral reef
https://vrchat.com/community
This qna thing
vocal shard
@quartz basin It says CPU 20.5% and Memory 731.8MB o/
im using geforce now and not my pc lol
tiny ginkgo
@vocal shard do you know moral codes from regular life?
stone current
tiny ginkgo
They apply here. So behave. Ask first if you're in doubt.
tiny ginkgo
Wunderfluff don't confuse him
Just ask first before doing anything weird if you're in doubt
queen mango
tiny ginkgo
...
queen mango
I did not mean to send that
vocal shard
but i dont think geforce now has vr thing
stone current
L
vocal shard
then i need also new pcy
stone current
for hugs
glossy wharf
In private worlds anything goes
vocal shard
thot or princess
quartz basin
"It's only illegal if you get caught" -Sai
vocal shard
im trying to catch you
umbral reef
in private you can pet all the people without being judged
vocal shard
yes but where is privat
stone current
pet them in all places
vocal shard
im forever alone
stone current
glossy wharf
@quartz basin literally states on the loading screen that 18+ stuff are forbidden in Public and friends +
vocal shard
IK
quartz basin
I'm just fucking with 'ya
glossy wharf
I wish you did
umbral reef
sails x sai 👀 ?
stone current
at least u didnt forget 2 put the "with" there
quartz basin
Awww hell yeah. See you in 5 hours in The Void.
glossy wharf
Void club lmao
vocal shard
Omg im getting a laughflash im imagininng something
quartz basin
Private room. I wanna see you move those hips
stone current
i wanna c u move ur hand
glossy wharf
K dm me kappa
umbral reef
Its all about that two man world
queen mango
Occupied rooms 👀
quartz basin
Stop with the dogs!
glossy wharf
Sails break it down
quartz basin
If I break it down, I will break up with you.
stone current
never enuff ruffs!
umbral reef
@glossy wharf just use that dating website for vrc'
quartz basin
I heard rumors about it.
glossy wharf
Dude
quartz basin
Is it as bad as they tell the tale?
glossy wharf
Jokes on you ive been on it since day 1
umbral reef
glossy wharf
Vr l f p b o i s
fierce girder
VRC dating 
stone current
aka sinespace
fierce girder
Kek
glossy wharf
I wonder if my profile still exists there
stone current
jk
glossy wharf
LMAO IT DOES
stone current
giv link
glossy wharf
Uhhhhh
fierce girder
Well, go hunt those e-grills @glossy wharf
glossy wharf
stone current
quartz basin
Now I'm curious.
stone current
^
glossy wharf
Gotta go
fierce girder
Curious about dating people in VRC? 
umbral reef
Weak
stone current
wuuf
fierce girder
Well, people date trough MMOs as well sooo
stone current
oclac how aboot we both send hug
umbral oracle
I am [male shaderboi/female avatar/hoppou/loli] looking for [female mmd/loli]
glossy wharf
Reading through this makes me cringe, what did 9 month ago me think
stone current
vocal shard
anyone run into the bug where your mouse doesnt move ingame?
stone current
vr mastrrec
umbral reef
@glossy wharf Not enough d prob
vocal shard
Yes.
fierce girder
@umbral oracle what the fuck
umbral reef
@stone current no getting close to me while im sick
stone current
put on mask and protection
glossy wharf
Oml this is
stone current
vocal shard
._.
umbral oracle
Sorry that's first thing that came to my mind when someone says vrc dating :-p
quartz basin
I don't even think people look for females in VRC anymore. All they want is that fresh boipuccy.
stone current
u kno wat would be kool
if u could like load images onto a panel in vrc
like screenshots and pictures u took 4 example
so u can sho others
fierce girder
People are more like... It's okay as long as they have cute anime girl as avatar
umbral oracle
Should be possible to provide a url input box in a world maybe just like for videos
umbral reef
and dont talk
stone current
yea ik that but
umbral oracle
Mutes are always sexiest
stone current
how the hecc u gonna do that in vr
fierce girder
Full booty tracking
quartz basin
Mutes are fucking creepy. Stop waving your hand around like a spastic cunt!
stone current
also if a keyboard would show when using gui
umbral reef
gotta earn the money for those trackers back one way
glossy wharf
@quartz basin you made me spit out my fucking drink you stupid Idiot lmao
umbral oracle
Copy paste from window same as the video player works now
quartz basin
I hope it was delicious black tea.
stone current
we was thinking this boye wanted a wank but he actually wanted 2 have his vr drink filled
glossy wharf
I mean i actually bought mine for dancing
quartz basin
@fierce girder U havin' a fuken laugh there, mate?
fierce girder
It's like booking a room at hotel, asking for one big bed and leaving the room after one or two hours
umbral reef
Hhmmmhhmm yea sure sai
fierce girder
Business meeting they said
stone current
woof
umbral oracle
So I can lie in bed, playspace move up a few feet and for some reason bend my left leg while my right knee is facing up. That's just how I sleep
umbral reef
@fierce girder powernap 
quartz basin
In the whole span of one entire month where I had my trackers, I never did any lewd stuff or spread my legs.
fierce girder
@umbral reef suuure, with a lady assistant that will scream sing you a lullaby
glossy wharf
@quartz basin yea right erp-sails
stone current
while u pound them do their taxes
quartz basin
The fuck?!
umbral oracle
Never once lay down while in vr or even sit down cross legged? Lewd is relative
umbral reef
@fierce girder Jup!
umbral reef
@quartz basin We all know about your ERP adventures 😏
stone current
^
fierce girder
Having VR intercourse while having boyfriend irl and calling it just a roleplay, here we go!
umbral reef
'Dance' HmmmHmmm totally
queen mango
That don't seem wholesome
stone current
get on the pole at club rouge
fierce girder
@umbral reef it's called hip movement training
quartz basin
Check my Twitter Reeeeeeeee!
umbral reef
Too much effort as it aint linked to ya account
stone current
u know what would make more ppl go 2 the events?
less lag from all the ppl going 2 the events
fierce girder
But it's VRC we are talking about... Of course we are going to find some people that... Deviates from the... Common folks
umbral oracle
Belly dancing by wiggling the hip tracker in a circle
fierce girder
Oof
quartz basin
I've been to many ERP rooms. It's actually weird how people can get off to things.
umbral reef
Its meme worthy
quartz basin
And before you jump to comclusion. I was just in the same room. I didn't participate.
fierce girder
Sure
stone current
that wat they all say
stone current
umbral oracle
@stone current the ik update they rolled back should help a ton. Then there are just those very poor avatars. I literally went from 10 to 25 fps by blocking avatars on new years
queen mango
Just not in the voyeurism, no?
umbral reef
Just to watch them.. I see 😉
queen mango
Also, Lyuma.. could you update your "Send" quota? 2019 is here now
stone current
y tho
quartz basin
Why would people think their VRchat adventure is fap worthy?
umbral oracle
Better?
stone current
bc apparently it is
queen mango
That'll do
fierce girder
Either people who have half a million polygons or some cocky dudes with a crash gun @umbral oracle
fierce girder
Love people that when losing an argument they just pull out the crash gun and behaving like those edgy anime edgelords with op powers
stone current
bro i had this avatar from a public world
it had a seat with a rigid body
so u can throw random people into space
quartz basin
People argue in VRchat?
queen mango
Yep..
quartz basin
How do they do it? It's either mute people or someone with a really shitty mic.
twin jacinth
Poor Elire
vocal shard
There problems with the server?
vocal shard
No I'm trying to upload an avatar but I can't even log in through the sdk in Unity
fierce girder
I was adding to @glossy wharf's answer @vocal shard
vocal shard
Oh sorry
glossy wharf
Works fine on my end
fierce girder
I myself am just constantly shuffling avatar statistics in public worlds and insta block people's avatars
quartz basin
I am a walking bundle of sarcasm.
fierce girder
Game should have some options to hide unoptimised avatars
umbral reef
not sticks?
fierce girder
Like if someone have a red ! Then it should have auto block or something
Or other levels idk
queen mango
That would be a good expansion on the safety/security settings there
If only, they can get the code to run with minimal error there
Someone keep that idea until the devs cone back
quartz basin
The standards at which your avatar will reach the "poor" status are really harsh.
fierce girder
Safety system already works, one level account wise being the ranks of the profile
The other one should be avatar specific
glossy wharf
The rating sucks ass
fierce girder
But 9/10 when red !
glossy wharf
Its a bounding box cause someone uses an old marker
fierce girder
Then it's one of those super lagging one
glossy wharf
More like 1/10 its a laggy one
quartz basin
They should be more specific when they try to implement some sort of avatar ranking block system.
fierce girder
Lol no
quartz basin
Like blocking everyone who has more than 100 transformative dynamic bones.
queen mango
Yea no..
glossy wharf
They should just leave it as an informative system the way it is
queen mango
..and implementing a dynbone blocker is a big task in itself
glossy wharf
Its not at all
quartz basin
They already have it, though.
glossy wharf
Its literally disabling the component clientside
quartz basin
Everyone at distance has their dyn bones blocked.
glossy wharf
Thats part of dynbones itself
queen mango
Oh.. 
fierce girder
@queen mango then enjoy your PC processing that guy's avatar with half a million polygons, 200 dynamic bones, 67 materials and 17 rigid bodies until you open up your menu and shuffle the avatar statistics
queen mango
glossy wharf
Okay let me just show you how flawed the system is.
quartz basin
Summon the fur shader!
glossy wharf
A dynamic bone collider instantly sets you to medium, no matter the affected bones (which is the real performance indicator), whereas you can have a one poly model with a tesselation shader that will crash you and it will be at an excellent rating.
fierce girder
I don't care if it's flawed or not, some cases are blatantly obvious
glossy wharf
A marker will set you to poor instantly because of how it works.
Particles are counting towards polys
fierce girder
And what you are talking about is poor
glossy wharf
the sdk doesnt give proper feedback for dynbones so optimizing is flawed.
fierce girder
I'm talking about the super poor, red !
glossy wharf
Which you can also get with a marker on a big avatar.
fierce girder
Eh
glossy wharf
you can have 101 cloth vertices
fierce girder
Whatever, you will keep thinking of some 1 percent cases
glossy wharf
and get a very poor
umbral oracle
Sdk is easy to fix. Edit it to say DynamicBoneColliderBase instead of DynamicBoneCollider. Doesn't affect ingame
glossy wharf
Tupper himself said "keeping cloth to 500 verts per avatar is fine"
fierce girder
I will still have to spend 10 percent of my time in public worlds in shuffling the avatar list
And block people who are blatantly obvious
glossy wharf
I get like, one laggy avatar a day at best
umbral oracle
Yes one snail pen is very poor. It's just an advisory. That's why they encourage you to read all the stats instead of auto blocking
glossy wharf
Yes thats the whole point
its an informative system, it shouldnt be implemented with the safety system and auto blocking
that was the whole discussion.
glossy wharf
You said a very poor should be auto blockable
fierce girder
O b v i u s c a s e s
glossy wharf
the red !
umbral oracle
What I want though is a button to improve fps at any cost, and just go and block the worst avatars one by one or disable dynbones until my fps gets to 30
glossy wharf
How is the system going to be able to choose between obvious and not?
fierce girder
500 thousand verticles
quartz basin
No
fierce girder
200 thousands verticles
glossy wharf
Polycount is one of the least performance impacting things.
umbral oracle
As it is now I have to go to custom and turn off for all ranks when things get bad
fierce girder
300 dynamic bones
umbral reef
@fierce girder What is worse then? 200 transformed bones with a collider or me having 200K verts and 10 materials?
What would the system judge as worse?
fierce girder
You just fight with me for the sake of fighting
glossy wharf
Your way of thinking is just flawed, you re throwing random numbers in the room which dont make sense at all. When everything is optimized and you have 200k polys your avatar will barely have any performance impact.
fierce girder
You cannot protect a guy with 200k avatars no matter what excuse you will think of. unacceptable in public world. End of conversation
glossy wharf
As long as there is no average score, nor a really reliable way of actually getting the numbers, a system like this is not able to be implemented in the safety settings.
Yes you can
1 mat 1 mesh 200k polys has virtually no performance impact.
fierce girder
glossy wharf
You have no idea what actually affects performance. End of discussion.
fierce girder
Cool, thanks
umbral reef
Still- Can you answer my question then... Should i punish all who exceed things even if it does not cause lagg?
Because thats exactly what sai is arguing against...
But what is a proper extreme avatar then? Need concrete numbers
quartz basin
I've seen someone with with 500 dyn bones and 30 colliders
umbral reef
does 200K verts count?
What if someone has 500 transformed bones?
When does it trigger for bounding box?
fierce girder
Sure, avatar performance is a relative concept
glossy wharf
The system is completely bypassable by using a single fucking animator
fierce girder
umbral reef
Its not- Its math... Its facts...
fierce girder
Cool
inland jay
What i would personally like to see for avatar stats is a frame timing counter. So you can see how long its taking to process the avatar.
glossy wharf
^
Here we go, actual useful things.
What i would like to see is an average score combined with a frame timing counter, maybe even a drawcall stat.
umbral reef
We know that dynamic bones are worse then verts
We know transforms of those bones- even when not touching stuff calculate things worse...
Computers use math, not magic...
glossy wharf
Would be nice to see how many drawcalls an avatar has
fierce girder
Sure smarty 
umbral reef
@inland jay Would cause a fair bit of performance hits itself...
Atleast someone i talked to about this claimed that- Tbh got no idea myself if it really would but wont amaze me
glossy wharf
@fierce girder imagine being wrong but then being too stuck up and snobbish to actually realize how wrong and misinformed you are.
inland jay
It would
glossy wharf
Oclac is stating facts and youre just making yourself look like an idiot.
fierce girder
I said end of discussion and I disabled my serious mode, viva la my usual internet troll mode
inland jay
For a base system i think what vrchat has is fine but it wont be able to account for creative uses.
glossy wharf
im losing the argument because im misinformed so i start trolling. Yikes.
Agreed jet.
umbral reef
So your just confirmed your trolling because you dont know what your talking about and got angry because of it. Dope to know. Time to ignore you then for a while
fierce girder
Sure
quartz basin
Loving community where you'll be embraced by hugs and kisses!
fierce girder
Spank me harder
vocal shard
lag me daddy
umbral reef
Tbh id go fucking wet for a particle limiter but for avatar things instead.
Get me an option to block everyone with X or Y or Z settings.
And not then just 'Anyone above 500 transformed bones' but an actual if 2 colliders cap it at 500 bones, if 3 colliders cap it at 300 and ect
All client side blocking and ect 👌
vocal shard
Someone can be wrong. Doesn't mean one needs to crush them into dust. That just makes you an aggressive person.
that would be sweet, just scaling the bones
fierce girder
There is a point in the conversation, you know that both sides ain't let it go @vocal shard
That's the point where futhurer conversation has no meaning
vocal shard
tbh just turning off DB completely in busy rooms would be bliss...
fierce girder
But I'm just a troll, what can I know
umbral reef
@vocal shard If im wrong, i get explained and told im wrong and i start trolling. I totally deserved to be ridiculed and be laughed at for making myself look ignorant and a dummy.
umbral reef
Please explain what i said is not true then. Or atleast talk to me instead of ignoring EVERYTHING i said within the argument and jsut cherry picking other people there opinions...
vocal shard
Sending insults left and right doesn'T make you "better" than the person that is wrong.
fierce girder
Momma has always told me I was a bad boi
umbral reef
You have not even dissagree'd with me... That is the thing
vocal shard
Anyway, typical Oclac + Sai combo.
quartz basin
Cogito, ergo sum
fierce girder
Tense conversation. Maybe next time we will do better
glossy wharf
TyPICaL sAi anD oClAC CoMbO
glossy wharf
Ye sorry that we actually spent time on learning what impacts performance.
fierce girder
Nice
glossy wharf
Not in response to you melrin.
fierce girder
Tesch me your tricks one day
umbral reef
@vocal shard Since when do i argue for sai? Fairly sure i brought up way different stuff then anyone else?
But hey-
glossy wharf
Not like me and oclac frequently disagree or anything
umbral reef
No we dont :^)
vocal shard
You both reinforce each other when it's time to crush other people.
umbral reef
Reinforce? Please reread what it said. Take me and sai not as a unit but two people and then realize all i said had nothign to do with sai's arguments...
fierce girder
There is a state of human mind, the defence state, in which many things are considered as an attack
vocal shard
And I mean by crushing, venting your frustration. Sure the person can be wrong. Doesn't mean you have to be an asshole with them tho. Still a god damn human being on the end of the line.
umbral reef
I asked about things sai already asked with diffrent idea's
I asked about different subjects sai never touched upon
I gave idea's that sai never listed and to end it
The only thing sai agree'd with me upon within the above conversation where facts... (Its math, not magic)
quartz basin
What is a man?
glossy wharf
How to over exaggerate a discussion and its outcome 101
fierce girder
What is love @quartz basin
umbral reef
How was i an asshole? Please screenshot that shit then...
quartz basin
Oh hell no! Fucking ringing in my ear!
vocal shard
How to cause drama and then attempt to blame others for starting the drama
umbral reef
At worse i was extremely dry cut and blunt about it. But if someone is that sensitive i wish them luck learning anything in the world.
glossy wharf
what
fierce girder
Baby don't hurt me
glossy wharf
what are you even saying LOL
fierce girder
Don't hurt me, no more
quartz basin
I'm already swinging my head. Thanks!
vocal shard
You are just being an asshole to people because somehow your ego is telling you "ah ah ah, I'm right. They are wrong. Time to insult the shit out of them !"
fierce girder
I don't know, why you're not there
umbral reef
@vocal shard Screenshot the parts where i do it then
Your right now just making claims, im trying to explain things but unless you get me to see it actually i cant improve, your own ranting is making things only worse with the claims and we get legit no where
fierce girder
I give you my love but you don't care
glossy wharf
I didnt use a single insult but keep trying buddy.
vocal shard
Should I quote the "idiot" part ?
glossy wharf
Calling someone an idiot for saying that they are trolling after losing an argument, yeah you can consider it an insult
sure.
umbral reef
@vocal shard What about me? Where did i say dumb stuff like that then?
inland jay
Can we move away from this into a more constructive conversation.
vocal shard
Then you realize they started "trolling" when they saw it was a loss cause to attempt to argument with someone like you, Sai.
glossy wharf
Idk why teal has the need to attack us now after we just talked about the flaws of a system but sure.
quartz basin
What is a more constructive conversation? Talking about VRchat? LOL
umbral reef
I find it amazing how i am being judged for others words and actions 😂
inland jay
What would you like to see in vrchats future. Hows that for constructive.
umbral reef
God thats meme worthy shit in itself teal
rigid crescent
lol scrolled through, merlin 100% wrong lol
vocal shard
Indeed
glossy wharf
Mic dont say that teal is gonna jump you for being right
vocal shard
Doesn't mean to tell them they are idiot.
glossy wharf
Yea it kinda does.
umbral reef
@vocal shard Reread what i wrote- Then please reread what you accused ME of.
rigid crescent
then played the "prtending to be retarded" card
twin jacinth
This happens so often lol it's crazy
vocal shard
Careful not to say something wrong in this chat. Sai is going to jump on you so hard. To reinforce their little shit ego.
rigid crescent
ive been seein that too much recently
fierce girder
@vocal shard an asshole is a term used to describe the general mood of conveyed messages. It cannot be pictures or oftentimes described. Only swear words can
quartz basin
Well, to be perfectly honest. Even if you're in the right and totally slam your opponent. Calling them an "idiot" then totally neglects your whole conversation and makes you look like a prick.
umbral reef
I want you to retract the false claims you made about me or atleast say you where wrong about what i wrote.
rigid crescent
theres being wrong, which is fine
hasty wedge
is this a out of seasom april fools joke
twin jacinth
Yeah Mic, people misinforming then the regulars here comes with facts and shut them down, then they proceeds to get mad af and lash out on them
fierce girder
That's why attempting to picture someone the moood of the message is not possible if the person is not on the same track @vocal shard
glossy wharf
You can be wrong all you want but playing the "lmao im trolling" card just deserves to be called an idiot.
fierce girder
Ok
rigid crescent
being wrong, proven wrong, and continuing to argue? why do that?
fierce girder
I'm an idiot
quartz basin
It's called pride. I can tell you a thing or two about that.
vocal shard
Just know you might be actively ruining the day of some people, Sai.
twin jacinth
It's okay to be wrong, if you're wrong just accept the fact after being told so and doing your own research, playing it off as you're trolling is stupid, as Sai mentioned.
glossy wharf
If your day gets ruined by a person on the internet calling you an idiot in an argument you have other things to fix in your life.
rigid crescent
just admit you were wrong. it all could end with an easy "oh shit, really?"
twin jacinth
^
rigid crescent
but people drag it out
quartz basin
Never say you're in the wrong, always say you weren't in the right.
rigid crescent
then play the "prtending to be retarded" card like its a get out of jail free card lol
umbral reef
@vocal shard you reread the convo yet and what you accused me of?
vocal shard
Just the fact you are here arguing at the same time than Sai, that makes my point Oclac.
fierce girder
With enough experience you know that some arguments cannot be brought to conclusion. So you drop it
umbral reef
So I can not chat in his chat when others are writin
You actually the fuck just said that?
modern sand
#general-media thanks, you can also dm each others if necessary
umbral reef
my dude
twin jacinth
Haha Ruuubick, the legend
vocal shard
hey guys what's going on in here
fierce girder
Thanks 
twin jacinth
Don't tag the admins, it's a rule.
twin jacinth
kindred glacier
Hey
so tried to use a gamepad for vrchat
but ingame i just keep spinning around
even tough all buttons are mapped
acoustic ravine
What kind of gamepad is it ?
kindred glacier
A dance pad
vocal shard
kindred glacier
the spinning is the only problem im having with it
In joytokey i see upto 32 buttons even tough it technicly only has 10
acoustic ravine
Ha Joytokey, I used to play Touhou with that.
I think if the dancepad is causing some spinning, it might be because VRChat somehow thinks that there's an analog stick on the controller.
brave drift
Yeah any non windows made gamepad will cause spinning in vrchat from what I've tested
kindred glacier
like when i run joy.cpl and go to settings, it detects a X-Y axis
brave drift
If you launch vrchat through bigpicture mode though and open the steam overlay it gives you controller options that you can customize and override the default vrchat bindings that cause issues
brave drift
Is it spinning to the left and upwards?
make sure other inputs are disabled like joytokey
kindred glacier
just left
brave drift
Does steam detect the dancepad as the right thing?
kindred glacier
it detects as an xbox one x controlölöer
ruby needle
dancepad for vrc? 
acoustic ravine
It's like Guitar Hero controller to beat Dark Souls.
brave drift
Steam does support some dancepads but if it doesnt support the one your using idk how to setup then
ruby needle
you can play more with dancepads then you might think
if you really want to
but i dont know why you'd use it for VRChat 
dark narwhal
I do
kindred glacier
sticky buttons
ruby needle
is it 8 way at least? 
kindred glacier
yes
brave drift
I can imagine it would be fun in vr walking around by standing on the pads directions
acoustic ravine
Challenge: Play VRChat... with a steering wheel ! 😱
ruby needle
i should install vrchat on my cab 👀 http://shared.dj-fpaul.de/d181HFdkb.jpg
acoustic ravine
Bind the buttons to dance gestures. Dance in game ! 😂
ruby needle
ruby needle
a little bit
each pad is like 150kg the base i dont know. a lot. over 300kg
I had to break it down to all individual parts (the main unit) to be able to even get it in my basement safely with 4 people
acoustic ravine
So each pad is like a refrigerator in terms of weight. 😅
ruby needle
i documented it in german but it still has some better pictures https://www.vierpfeile.de/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=7666
Arcade hardware is very robust, but let us get back to the original topic 😃
languid beacon
Analog sticks can be centered wrong if they were tilted when plugged in
nocturne flame
Hello there you lovely lads and ladies
quartz basin
You're not getting my money!
fading flower
might seem weird but i have a request, if u have a elite astora knight model (from dark souls) that is cloneable pls hit me up i need em lmao
dire palm
when a hackers gets mad at u for blocking them 😂
steep turret
it's better when they try to crash you but they can't so they get all frustrated
patent tide
hello, a question, is there any way when I test a map from unity will be in desktop mode and not in steamvr mode?
vocal shard
just want to ask, anyone got Trusted recent and can tell how long it takes to get Trusted from Known User?
floral aspen
it's different for everyone
acoustic ravine
With full body tracking, earning that user status will be a piece of cake 😆
vocal shard
Is there a way to crank up the log level (debug level) in vrchat so that it's easier to capture what triggers logout bugs and such?
acoustic ravine
Would be handy indeed. 😮
vocal shard
I think so. Back when I ran garry's mod servers, I had to force core dumps and do network packet captures in hopes of catching crash clients, then do cpu intense iptables string matching to block them. It would be great to have a more developer approved method of capturing such things.
languid beacon
Got a picture?
dark narwhal
Is that the one with the flying colliders and can turn invisible
dark narwhal
Rip
fading flower
either that or my pc is garbag
also the invisible boi jester
have a name fir where its from?
dark narwhal
Yeah im not sure where the model is from. Looks like a legend of zelda thing but i dont recognize it.
dark narwhal
It looks dope tho
languid beacon
Jester is new Kirby game on switch
There’s also a different jester from Undertale 2. Lot’s of jesters
dark narwhal
Ahh oki
zinc solar
I think VRChat should PAY me to make avatars for people. I mean? I'm doing all the work and I ALLOW VRChat to host my art
twin jacinth
It screams ''Give me attention'' across the globe
zinc solar
:y
tiny ginkgo
Hahaha
zinc solar
Bored honestly.
twin jacinth
Oof
zinc solar
Unlike most of my friends on the chatting of the VR, I got to twerk soon. So now I'm stuck being bored
vocal shard
Guys, I should be paid for making edits to copyrighted characters and adding mere rigs.
tiny ginkgo
Why don't you do something else if you're bored? Unless you enjoy being bored of course, which is perfectly fine.
zinc solar
I lack motivation to do anything
near saffron
Mixamo rigs at best
zinc solar
You're right 'Vote4waifu' we should call it "Sarcasarig"
umbral reef
@zinc solar Why would they though? Its a neat way to instantly get VRC to stop being a thing
tiny ginkgo
I think it was a joke
zinc solar
:y
@umbral reef I can't make money twerking as shrek, and banging Hatsune Miku in a private world
vocal shard
Mixamo rigs take out all the fun.
tiny ginkgo
And yet we have streamers who do
vocal shard
But I'm just saying that because I work in the animation industry lol
tiny ginkgo
They literally make money by twerking as Shrek.. shit our world has peaked
zinc solar
Well, I got alexithymia so I honestly have a hard time faking my personality to be fun
zinc solar
I always sound monotone, and occasionally depressed no matter how hard I try
I can compare my voice and personality to a youtuber "Penguinz0"
tiny ginkgo
Yeah it's more about personality and a good use of voice
vocal shard
cloaked the thing is you need energy to give energy but you need to give energy to get it in the first place
tiny ginkgo
Where do we get the initial energy from though
vocal shard
its like money
umbral reef
Well why would you stream?
vocal shard
low amounts buil.d linearly, high amounts build at an increasing rate
if you want to learn how to throw your voice around learn how to sing to gain vocal control
memeing verbally through a joke feels similar to singing to me
Being a streamer sounds terrible. 90% of their streams are saying "thank you" for subscribers or completely ignoring the game to reply to chat. lol
zinc solar
Meh, I'm not interested in making money entertaining people who watch me like a monkies. I prefer physical twerk, and my twerk benefits.
tiny ginkgo
It was what I said Oclac
umbral reef
@vocal shard Guess you would stream for money and not the community...
tiny ginkgo
He said he couldn't make money twerking as Shrek but I pointed out (some) streamers are doing exactly that
vocal shard
Pfft, I'd avoid streaming in general.
tiny ginkgo
Which blows my mind
zinc solar
@umbral reef Everyone streams for money. They just pretend to love their community more to get more $$$$, so they don't loose their cash cow
tiny ginkgo
If I was streaming it would definitely be for money
umbral reef
Its a job after an amount of time and donations yes- But you can work for fun and build a community instead of twitch thot
Look at people like Kuri within VRC
tiny ginkgo
I would want to dedicate a lot of time.. more than I currently can with a 9-19 job
umbral reef
That fella for sure does not do stream for money
zinc solar
Does streaming give me 401k? Medical insurance?
vocal shard
you're gonna have to decide though
tiny ginkgo
There is a balance of course
vocal shard
if you want a bunch of stream sniper friends and fake people
zinc solar
I doubt in 20 years from now if I was a famous streamer right now I go to mcdonalds and say "My experience? I was a twitch streamer"
umbral reef
If you do it right you wont have to work for the rest of your life--
vocal shard
no you'd say "I leveraged bla bla bla to make x per year via the internet"
job interviews are about framing lel
tiny ginkgo
I don't think there's anything wrong with streaming for money either btw
vocal shard
yeah you literally just reword it
umbral reef
If i work a high pressure, high risk job that pays insane well once done right il do it myself for a few years- And then for fun ofcours.
tiny ginkgo
I use my talents for money
umbral reef
Give me 100K, il live like i do right now and invest it instead to get 'free' money
umbral reef
cdl?
zinc solar
Honestly trying to focus your life on the laziest form of work will all come crashing down in the future. Which is why it's the worst decision someone can make if they try to do it full time. Because sooner or later, their community will die, and they have nothing to fall back on because they would have wasted their life on streaming.
vocal shard
long haul truck driving starts you at 50k then up to 100k
and you can vr in the back of the truck
tiny ginkgo
I think trying to be a full time celebrity is a huge risk but ... It's s choice to try and go for it
Not for me though
vocal shard
not a lot of people want to do it so the employees have the power in the industry
zinc solar
Streamers are not "Celebrities"
vocal shard
well you can consider people vrchat celebrities
tiny ginkgo
We'll whatever you call it
zinc solar
They are "Internet personalities"
umbral reef
Tbh if i was not doing what im doing right now (what takes up almost all of my time) id be making yt video's and or streaming
tiny ginkgo
Sure
vocal shard
everybody knows who chipz is even i have an i dont follo wstreamer stuff
umbral reef
I still might do that as id be fun to make content and be creative but unsure what i want
umbral reef
1a : widely known a restaurant famous for its French cuisine. b : honored for achievement a famous explorer. 2 : excellent, first-rate famous weather for a walk. Guess a fair bit fall under this group
tiny ginkgo
Which can be scary
vocal shard
who the grey plate deskie shaggy who waltz up to you in japan shrine and screams N***** at the top of his lungs?
zinc solar
The only Twitch streamer I know and watch honestly is "Kibbelsnbits"
vocal shard
i like imabees youtube videos
zinc solar
Wtf is that definition for?
umbral reef
Famous...
vocal shard
liked well
umbral reef
You claim streamers aint famous--
They fall under that stuff though
vocal shard
that was a while ago back in like feb i'd rather just go onto vrchat than watch other people play nowadays
zinc solar
I once told her to stfu in the pub xD
vocal shard
lol there's a lot of subcelebriteis in different genres really
zinc solar
I didn't even know who she was at the time until a friend told me one day
zinc solar
Was a while ago, but I still remember it because I remembered this annoying girl, and I told her to stfu. Then a bunch of white knights attacked me. I told my friend, and he said she was some famous VRChat player or something
zinc solar
Except on VRChat, and people actually do count that as "loosing your virginity"
dark narwhal
More like loosing sanity
zinc solar
You never know. ERP is a popular, and creepy community in VRChat right now
But back to streamers
zinc solar
Well there are traps, or mutes who pretend to be girls
dark narwhal
vocal shard
mic on yo
zinc solar
Some guys can make a convincing girl voice, or use special programs to sound like a girl
I've seen both in action
dark narwhal
I like how many people trust a mute
vocal shard
i've known a few mutes who ended up actually being girls
so there's always that chance man
dark narwhal
Tru...butttt
zinc solar
I love mutes!!! Not for ERP, or relationships stuff. But I think mutes are always so cute how they have to express everything with gestures
dark narwhal
Some people think they all are just from first interactions
empty wharf
Mutes are usually great people to hang out with
dark narwhal
Until they have no pen...and they are on desktop....
woven steppe
find desktop mute... best mute
zinc solar
Yeah, I always love to jokingly make fun of them, and randomly make "take it away" jokes towards them
empty wharf
Kromia is one of my favorite mutes
vocal shard
that head shaking thing desktop mutes do when you pet them lol
empty wharf
Although we battle with animations all the time
dark narwhal
spinning intensifies
zinc solar
Pirate Sam, Taekwon, Tomokowulf, and MelancholyNeko are my favorite mutes
woven steppe
I'm running out of mutes
stone current
i am part time mute hmu
elder cipher
rapid dune
One thing I love about VRChat is how you can have a really great interaction with someone and never speak with them again.
I literally teleported to the campfire above the lobby with someone and then they drew a heart. Returned it and then we never met again.
elder cipher
That’s a big RIP
cold ibex
op
rapid dune
tiny ginkgo
It's nice
rapid dune
I mean I'm bisexual leaning towards men so I don't really care either way
Not really looking for a gf or bf
elder cipher
That’s a good way to think when playing this game.
stone current
i like how
vr users with voice have a good time
vr mutes haave a pretty good time
desktop users with voice have an ok time
but desktop mutes basically dying on inside
tiny ginkgo
The largest part of people I've met I'll never see again
cold ibex
yes
tiny ginkgo
And it's wonderful
stone current
friend them boyo
tiny ginkgo
I friend a few only... I tend to be too... Attached
stone current
frend me
cold ibex
nothing wrong about that tho ):
tiny ginkgo
I'm emotionally unstable in the end .. I always make friendships break
stone current
frend me [2]
tiny ginkgo
So I think meeting new people is good
New... All the time
You friended me floof
I won't lose a cute dog such as you don't worry
stone current
vrc
tiny ginkgo
Dm me your VRC name
stone current
^
dark narwhal
👀
elder cipher
The way I do it is, if I see the same person 3 times and have a conversation with them those 3 times then I add them.
tiny ginkgo
That's nice
elder cipher
Because you can add someone the first time you see them then never see them again
safe yacht
I just came across a crashing avatar that only managed to crash himself. Nobody else crashed and we had a good laugh.
tiny ginkgo
Now how will I accidentally meet you three times now...
dark narwhal
"Accidentally "
cold ibex
it happens dont laugh at the man ;'(
tiny ginkgo
elder cipher
Well I used to hop worlds a lot but I’m mainly in private’s with a group of friends
tiny ginkgo
That's how many people have it these days I've heard
elder cipher
Lol but you will run into the same person more than you think.
final vale
how do people walk in vr chat while using vr ?
like here per example https://youtu.be/oCe814aTDiw
modern sand
Full body tracking
tiny ginkgo
Looks like he is literally running though
elder cipher
They walk on something while in full body. I forgot what it’s called but it’s like a treadmill
But you can walk in any direction
modern sand
The running at the end is an animation
tiny ginkgo
Omnidirectional threadmill?
elder cipher
I think
tiny ginkgo
I meant the streamer
modern sand
Unless lolathon is suspended from the ceiling
floral aspen
if you just have fbt and walk on a treadmill it will just look like you are walking in place. There is nothing telling the game you are moving forward
tiny ginkgo
If he is on here you could ask him Zerker
elder cipher
I’ve see some people just walking around the Japan shrine stumbling everywhere and they would stop in front of people and stare at people then walk away
umbral reef
Tbh would not amaze me if lolathon was really suspended from the ceiling
stone current
no i think they ran with joystick
but moved their arms
cuz the bottom right looks like stream camera or a sim
not actual recording
but idk
woven steppe
what sort of walking are we talking about anyway?
rigid crescent
I men #badstuff lets you walk on the ceiling as well doesn't it?
tiny ginkgo
The video clip linked above ACH
languid beacon
Accidentally asking a desktop mute something that is not a yes or no question
stone current
wym they can shake their head
tiny ginkgo
But yes something has to move the avatar's pivot point
languid beacon
Not if it’s not yes or no lol
stone current
thats about the only form of communication they have other than emoji spam
yes if it is a yes or a na
tiny ginkgo
Most of the time s joypad or whatever
stone current
shake mouse horizontally or vertically
umbral reef
If we take away a option for mutes
stone current
ez
umbral reef
Will they be able to talk for themself? Or do we need to stick up for them
stone current
wat option
tiny ginkgo
What option
stone current
all the desktop mutes begging for chat just use mic
vocal shard
Protect the mutes. They are an endangered species
stone current
even if shitty probably better than acting like furniture
woven steppe
Or use TTS
stone current
^^^^^^^
rotund pike
lol
woven steppe
Or a pen
stone current
desktop users cant rlly draw
woven steppe
Yes they can
rotund pike
the struggle is real
woven steppe
It doesn't
Well really it only looks bad i the person isn't used to drawing with a mouse
but I've met those who can do that really well
stone current
yea but in desktop theres this grid snap
rotund pike
i had someone ture sign language lol. did not go well
stone current
so no matter how slow or how perfect u try 2 write something
tiny ginkgo
It can look good but... It's a lot more difficult
stone current
it keeps jittering
woven steppe
What grid snap?
stone current
the view turns in like tiny mouse increments
if u have ever veeery slowly moved ur mous
woven steppe
That only ever happens in some map's pens I've seen
stone current
u would see what i mean
woven steppe
if the pen is built into the avatar it doesn't do that
stone current
it snaps like ur moving the mouse on a grid
tiny ginkgo
Oí
stone current
ive played desktop for a while and the snapping always bugged me
if u watch videos of ppl playing also
u can see it if u look hard enough
tiny ginkgo
It's ok. You disagree on a subjective matter
stone current
unrelated 2 pens
tiny ginkgo
Let's find something to really fight about
stone current
am i good boye
tiny ginkgo
stone current
sometimes i have 2 restart my pc 2 fix this
basically tracking turns 2 absolute garbage
just randomly
like hands get stuck in place frequently and my tracking behind and around me is even worse than usual
and i got m4d so i restart pc and fixd
but still no idea y that happened
woven steppe
Are you talking about the pixelation? coz I really can't figure out what you're on about.
stone current
play on desktop and move mouse very slow
stone current
watch for it
tiny increments
i wasnt doing that myself i was just sliding mouse super slow
woven steppe
Oh that part
stone current
yea
woven steppe
I see what you're on about now... but that's hardly a hinderance to writing
tiny ginkgo
So small only a dog notices
stone current
it sorta is bc it makes writing a bit difficult
bc if u go 2 fast its a bit 2 jittery 2 read correctly
u also gotta like move 2 the side
2 make space 4 more letters
otherwise u just kinda write around urself
the grid is super annoying 4 small letters tho
but ye unless ur in pen world u basically furniture
woven steppe
could do it with a game pad for pin point accuracy lel
stone current
or have avatar with pen gesture and a pickupable thing
tiny ginkgo
Maybe you can play with a wacom pen
woven steppe
why would you need a pickupable thing?
woven steppe
My desktop pen is not on my finger
stone current
then ya for most avatars with pens
bc meant 4 vr use
ima go do virtual woofs now
elder cipher
Noice
woven steppe
If one's particularly animation savvy you can have a pen that writes things out for you without your input.