vrchat-general-2

[rigid crescent]

probably idk

never saw it

[woven steppe]

spreads like a virus lol

you start with one and it multiplies

[frail escarp]

Also .... Does avatars that was having chairs in old days , get the chairs back automatic?

[rigid crescent]

no

gotta rework it

[frail escarp]

That's sad

[rigid crescent]

takes 2 seconds

[frail escarp]

That's not much sad

[vocal shard]

so what you just drag the chair prefab onto the avatar?

's amature?

[languid beacon]

Where can I get a copy of VRChat’s fallback shaders? I would prefer just to use them to make sure my avatar always looks the same even when they fall back to them selves

[median basalt]

You sure you have to rework old chairs?

[opaque hawk]

Anyway to limit the avatar size that can use the avatar chair

[median basalt]

They use the same component

@languid beacon you can't.

[opaque hawk]

I want to make a baby carrier

[stone current]

fallback is standard shader .-.

if u use any shader other than the standard builtin unity shaders (idk about all the nature and whatever shaders) it will be a custom shader and changed to standard when shaders are disabled

[median basalt]

@stone current not entirely

It can also fall back to VRC's internal toon shaders

But the toon ramp used on those makes it look a lot like standard

[gloomy sequoia]

Anyone else unable to save avatars right now?

[sullen escarp]

pretty sure the toon shaders it uses are also the standard asset ones

hold on, lemme check what asset package it was in

[tacit plank]

If you have a mesh where half is transparent, what does the fallback look like?

If it's nude, will I get blamed?

[sullen escarp]

probably

[stone current]

it uses same albedo/diffuse color

[sullen escarp]

okay yeah, the toon fallback shaders are in unity's "Effects" asset package

[stone current]

and mode is set based on whether or not its transparent

but if its nude it shpuldnt be on vrchat anyways so

.-.

[woven steppe]

I think its about the clothes

[sullen escarp]

as for all the other shaders, you can download those... at... lemme find the link

[stone current]

at least in public

[sullen escarp]

https://download.unity3d.com/download_unity/5d485b4897a7/builtin_shaders-2017.4.15f1.zip

[woven steppe]

if your clothes suddenly turn transparent if someone turns off shaders... then thats like almost nude

[tacit plank]

It's only nude of the entire shirt is transparent

Right now, it's half of it

[sullen escarp]

you can always just rename the shader so it gets a fallback that works

[tacit plank]

But I guess nude is fine if there's no geometry at all. Sadly the nipples are slightly visible

[sullen escarp]

delet

[tacit plank]

That would break all shapekeys

[woven steppe]

since I upload my avatar in underwear and then just wear clothes as I see fit... if someone disables my animation... Id just be always in underwear

[tacit plank]

It has a shapekey to make the boobs smaller. If I mess with vertx in a key, the whole body will morph into a ball

[stone current]

re texture then

[sullen escarp]

select vertices
blend from shape
fixed

[stone current]

and smooth sculpt it on basis shape key

u can also just separate it from the mesh

fix and then join it back

[sullen escarp]

retexturing is probably the fastest fix tho tbh as long as they're not like pointy

[stone current]

smooth sculpt

[tacit plank]

They are

[sullen escarp]

oof

[stone current]

b0i

[median basalt]

@tacit plank select the vertices and press P to separate the selection into a new mesh

Then delete the new mesh

That's the way you remove stuff without breaking shape keys

[sullen escarp]

ooh, noted

[stone current]

smooth sculpt and retexture :(

[tacit plank]

Are you sure? They're currently moved due to a key

Blender is weird man

[woven steppe]

alternatively... just cover it better

[stone current]

bro if u sculpt it smooth in basis shape key it will stay that way for all shape keys

[woven steppe]

bandaids are easy

[stone current]

and its just gonna smooth it out not delete or add anything

[median basalt]

@tacit plank yes, you can always separate stuff into new meshes safely

[tacit plank]

Cool, thanks!

[median basalt]

I usually separate into a new mesh, delete shape keys then do my edit work

Or just separate and delete if I need it gone

I never delete vertices directly unless I know for a fact that the entire mesh contains zero shape keys

[stone current]

i do it bc i make my own shape keys'

[median basalt]

Including not removing doubles

[stone current]

[woven steppe]

just dont have holes for nipples or crotch... almost worse lol

[sullen escarp]

extra holes

[stone current]

https://giphy.com/gifs/ZdwMK4xJfX0lO

[woven steppe]

punctured mesh

[median basalt]

I actually had NSFW geometry and textures on one of my avatars for a while, I never noticed

Speed-patched that real quick once someone found out

And temporarily broke the model due to scaling changes lmao

[woven steppe]

just keep away from work

[sullen escarp]

exposed

[vocal shard]

theres avatars in public worlds that hve modeled vaginas under the clothes

i mean public avatar worlds

[sullen escarp]

report the world

[supple sedge]

What exactly does the new "playlist" feature do?

[vocal shard]

snitches get stitches yo

[ruby burrow]

I found out how to extract models from the RTS game Supreme Commander. Got a rather silly WIP going...
https://gyazo.com/2ebc2267d954dea954534fd09e6c25f1

[sullen escarp]

@supple sedge same as the favorites, but you now have 3 lists and you can rename them

[supple sedge]

I see, three different sections, thanks

[fringe talon]

playlists does not seem to function for me...

[supple sedge]

But so far they don't seem to work for me

[opaque hawk]

I am guilty on not catching modeled v probably good I’m not looking there

[ruby burrow]

Aeon "Galactic Colossus". For scale.
https://gyazo.com/8cb7f3e79d638fe549acb224067bfe90

[fringe talon]

its just blank

[supple sedge]

Same

[sullen escarp]

it's probably a bit scuffed right now

[fringe talon]

also i do believe that the galactic colossus would be way bigger beside a human

[silk axle]

in terms of the new VRChat SDK, did anyone get else just a prompt to "Clear Cache and PlayerPrefabs"?

[woven steppe]

actively looking for "accurate anatomy" seems weird

[vocal shard]

Keep getting timed out, my ping is fine. Help. Please.

[fringe talon]

also after the copy avatar function came in there is so many people using bad avatars in public...

[woven steppe]

not new

[opaque hawk]

They were always bad

[fringe talon]

well its worse i mean

[supple sedge]

By the way, I know the favorite tab for worlds is not showing, but is there any way I can find my favorite ones? Like through the website or just wait for a fix?

[fringe talon]

worse than it was

[opaque hawk]

How do you know it’s worse?

[woven steppe]

you mean old favorites?

[supple sedge]

Does a world I favorited 4 days ago count as old? If yea, then yeah

[woven steppe]

well I found mine by scrolling down

[fringe talon]

because after the update all the popular public worlds had like 3-5 shader/earrape avatars each time i mean i might have been really unlucky

[supple sedge]

Hm. It wasnt there yesterday

seems I can see it now

Thanks regardless ~

[opaque hawk]

Sounds like bad luck

[woven steppe]

ui lag likely

[supple sedge]

Yep

[woven steppe]

hell my ui said a friend was online... and offline at the same time

[supple sedge]

Lmao

[woven steppe]

got a pic of it in #vrchat-pictures

[fringe talon]

also i dont think people will care about the avatar ranking in general because there is more poor and lower avatars than greens anyways

[opaque hawk]

Maybe, too soon to tell

We have only had 24 hours to react to the new system

[woven steppe]

I like it

[fringe talon]

i dont mind it but some aspects of it does not make any sense

[opaque hawk]

Like what?

[vocal shard]

it needs more mustard

[opaque hawk]

I’m curious

[fringe talon]

bounds size is one thing

[woven steppe]

mainly because I find it amusing that Im encouraged to wear less clothes lol

[opaque hawk]

Bound size is interesting

Because that effects occlusion

[woven steppe]

there was a discussion about that earlier

actually a number of discussions... by different people...

[fringe talon]

i can imagine

[vocal shard]

I like the new update.

[opaque hawk]

My biggest gripe about it is it inadvertently affects mute players with snail markers

[woven steppe]

I somehow catch them as they happen lol

[umbral reef]

Imo they should just remove that dam bounding box rule 💤
Its dumb anyway for performance and just ruins the markers big time

But they should not judge most things or atleast not judge it the same as other things

[woven steppe]

fixed mah pen... now doesnt turn me planet sized...

[opaque hawk]

But on the flip side if a bunch of really laggy avatars with a huge bounding box is a disaster

[vocal shard]

But I liked you planet sized.

[fringe talon]

not only that but it also captures things that is not visible to begin with unless they use the emote/gesture that activates it

[tacit plank]

How did you fix it?

[woven steppe]

Id rather not elaborate when limited to my phone...

[tacit plank]

Ah, fair enough

[vocal shard]

Ach stopped eating rice.

That's how.

[median basalt]

@tacit plank he probably moved the marker closer

[tacit plank]

It's in my hand, but when I click erase, it moves it like 99999 units off screen

I think that's the only way it can delete text again

[median basalt]

Erasing it should be as simple as just disabling the trail renderer

Also

Snail marker comes with an animation that enables the pen as soon as you load

I think if you just delay that animation by like 0.4 seconds it'll be fine, no more huge bounding box

[sullen escarp]

that might depend when the bounds get calculated

[woven steppe]

my solution probably achieved that but in a more roundabout way

[median basalt]

It gets calculated on load

I checked

The calculation code is so damn rushed

[sullen escarp]

ok yeah, if it's only once and on load, that should work

[median basalt]

It can actually happen again if you look at your own avatar preview

[woven steppe]

I simply made my pen's game object not exist until the first time I use it. then it stays existing

[median basalt]

But that means only you will see yourself marked as poorly performing

Animator logic?

[woven steppe]

pretty much

[sullen escarp]

ah, smart way to do it

[rigid crescent]

ive been in vr since beta endd

kill me

total time, ive been on vrc for 23 hours

beta start til now

[sullen escarp]

if you die in vr, do you stay in vr? 🤔

[rigid crescent]

ask in #user-support-old :3

[sullen escarp]

ok

[polar elm]

If i take the headset off you'd you die?

[sullen escarp]

:OOO

[polar elm]

It would be extremely painful

[sullen escarp]

4u

[opaque hawk]

I’m already drifting between realities on a couple hours a day.

How mic?

[rigid crescent]

i slept in vr

[opaque hawk]

Not uncommon

[rigid crescent]

3 or 4 hrs with a friend, so i never left the game

[umbral reef]

I secretly always sleep while playing VR
I just sleep talk a lot and move my findgers also in my sleep 👀

[sullen escarp]

wonder if anyone's moved their bed and kitchen into their vr space yet to enable constant playtime

bathroom too i guess

[opaque hawk]

Just upload my brain. This will be in my will.

[sullen escarp]

hell ya

[umbral reef]

inb4 a virus happens and your brain gets stolen

Or your brain wont work with the internet anymore as its too old

[sullen escarp]

anti-virus OP

[opaque hawk]

Yo I may actually do that

[umbral reef]

Just dont die early though then my dude

As we are still yeaars away from that type of technology

[tacit plank]

Why is everyone cheering for the new atlasing?

The colors are way too dark on it, I can't use this

[opaque hawk]

If I die 70 years from now they have that long

[umbral reef]

Dont say that too hard- Our understanding from the brain is kinda sad if you compare to what we need though

[rigid crescent]

"new" atlasing?

[umbral reef]

Most tech is being fairly limited thanks to parts- We need some new smarties in this world to make new ways of tech thats cheap but faster

[opaque hawk]

We will see asteroid mining in our lifetimes

This will greatly reduce the cost of tech

[umbral reef]

Well- Most of the 'future stuff' peeps are claiming we will get in 10 years are already being used so
Who knows what might happen

[tacit plank]

Yes, the atlasing in material combiner 2, used with CATS

[rigid crescent]

has to do with shader settings

[tacit plank]

It doesn't mess up the texture anymore, but it changes the colors to some that I can't use

It's a cycles render with like 50 nodes per material, please tell me I don't have to mess with that

[rigid crescent]

iunno

#user-support-old tbh

[tacit plank]

Model looks fine, and I have the materials externally, they look fine too

[opaque hawk]

Newest update fixed the albedo color issue

[polar elm]

Imagine self flushing toilets. Now thats the future

Like imagine giving ancient civs a self flushing toilet and they fight wars over it

[atomic swallow]

I love the updates performance. Going from my usual 90 fps to 45... it's great.

[opaque hawk]

Report that give your specs to the devs

[tacit plank]

My avatar's bounding box is tilted 30 degrees... But it's atlased a bit

[vocal shard]

ok lets see if they fixed log in loop

[opaque hawk]

Welp lol

[sudden agate]

dumb question

what is ik??

fullbody?

[covert chasm]

Inverse kinematics. Anyone with VR uses it.

Given a number of points, IK tries to realistically pose your body so it matches those points.

[pulsar bluff]

do we need an SDK update with this patch?

[covert chasm]

No.

[umbral reef]

Also known as bodytracking 👀

[pulsar bluff]

sweet

[sudden agate]

oh hi tupper, have you noticed the weirdness with the eyetracking and fullbody torso movements lately?

[covert chasm]

yes, we are aware of them

[sudden agate]

is that something that'll be fixed in the future?

[covert chasm]

yes

[vocal shard]

tuptup login loop isn't fixed

[pulsar bluff]

sad the IK optimization was rolled back, but i'm super happy you guys are working on it, tackling the performance stuff

[vocal shard]

fyi

[covert chasm]

@vocal shard Yes, we're aware. We didn't put it in the patch notes because we did not apply anything in this patch to fix it.

[floral sierra]

butt stuff

[covert chasm]

Once we do put something in a patch to address it, then the patch notes will say as such.

[vocal shard]

true true

[paper cloak]

Just FYI, particle systems with emission turned off are still counted as "active particles" lel

[umbral reef]

Will you guys ever make a force update thing within the game?
Or atleast a global announcement so that peeps update 🤔 ?

[paper cloak]

updates are handled by steam, not the vrc team

[vocal shard]

wouldn't that involve extra bits being sent

[paper cloak]

they can't force your steam to close your game and update

[sullen escarp]

they can prevent getting on if the version is wrong tho

[umbral reef]

They can atleast yeet an global notification towards all users online

[paper cloak]

sure, wouldnt call that a "force update "thing tho lol

[paper pecan]

Someone found a way around spoofing the polycount on runtime apparently

[muted wharf]

Just out of curiosity, is the issue with avatar anims breaking with more than one animation on an object active at a time a known issue already?

IE: having ears, tails, and maybe a shoulder companion animated will cause only one thing to be properly animated, and the rest will be broken in some random way. The animations all work properly in the avatar menu, and it's been an issue for as long as I can remember on vrc.

[umbral reef]

Well yea- I named it really wrong. Thats my bad
But having atleast something ingame making clear peeps should update would be fairly neat

[north axle]

Is it true that this was the shortest period of open beta testing by VRChat so far?

[umbral reef]

@paper pecan There are loads of ways to bypass the stuff right now...
@muted wharf Might want to check the canny.io for it and if it isnt in there make a new report please!

[tidal aspen]

It was like 12 hours max

[muted wharf]

Was only 9 hours iirc

[opaque hawk]

7 hours

[sudden agate]

the new materials and shit is nasty imo

[opaque hawk]

Maybe 8

[sudden agate]

i hate how you can see avatar things

[umbral reef]

Why? People should optimize there stuff

[floral aspen]

Why?

[sudden agate]

because its only colliders and particles which make people lag

materials and poly dont impact it heavily at all

[sullen escarp]

idk i love seeing that some friendly person has 200 skinned meshes

[tidal aspen]

if that was the case they wouldn't put the limits in

[muted wharf]

@umbral reef figured. Wasn't sure if there was a workaround for it so wanted to ask. I'm away from internet access on my devbox for a few days and I wanted to have proper examples and repro steps since I used to work as a QA Engineer myself.

[paper pecan]

I think its good to optimise. To be honest with you nobody is stopping you having your animation avatars just upload two versions like everyone else does. Want really sweet laggy hair physics upload one that you can go into friends + with

[floral aspen]

Materials can cause lag though, as well as unjoined meshes. Not as much as dynamic bones and colliders, but they still contribute

[sudden agate]

its like

[vocal shard]

colliders are a grave sin

[sudden agate]

"ya lets judge this person on their materials"

[sullen escarp]

there is literally no reason to have more than 4

[floral aspen]

^

[umbral reef]

@sudden agate Not really-
Particles do most of the time just as less 👀
But dynamic bones and cloth + there colliders are REALLY harsh

But there is no reason to not combine materials or meshes Its legit being lazy if people dont.
If everyone does it properly it still has a bigger effect of it boosting performance

[sudden agate]

some people dont like atlasing

[vocal shard]

anyone who has more than 4 materials is being lazy

[sullen escarp]

some people can't click a button i guess

[vocal shard]

atlasing is fine theres literally a button to do it and if you wan tto learn it its easy when you get the process down

[umbral reef]

Its pressing a button within blender- People should not be bad human beings

[paper pecan]

This is the SAME argument everyone had with the trust system. People arent going to care about it in a week

[floral aspen]

CATs literally does it for you with one button press

[vocal shard]

yeah i was bitching about trust hardcore now im in love with it honestly no more crashers

[supple sedge]

I favorited an avatar, doesn't show up in Favorite Avatar

[sudden agate]

i like seperate materials

easier to use shaders and texture

[vocal shard]

do you do it so you can edit the textures

[jovial ivy]

frisky do you really think crashers will disapear now ?

[vocal shard]

shaders yes but textures if you manually atlas it you can select the texture islands in gimp and color change them like that

[paper pecan]

Atlas 👏 your 👏 mats

[stray ether]

hello

[sudden agate]

no

[jovial ivy]

there can be optimized avatars that are crashers xD

[sudden agate]

i won't atlas!!!!

[vocal shard]

@jovial ivy no they can log you out because proton is a sick dog that needs to be put down

[umbral reef]

If you refuse to do it dont bitch about the system

[sudden agate]

[sullen escarp]

idk how anyone would enjoy having more than like 3 materials tbh, it's gotta be hella monotonous to change shaders on all of those

[floral aspen]

Then prepare to be shamed

[vocal shard]

but less of those prefab script kiddies can even use that compared to the ones that have tesselation crashers

[sudden agate]

im ready

[subtle lynx]

What's the IK system? :Y

[floral aspen]

And possibly auto blocked

[umbral reef]

@sullen escarp If you do some dope af animation shit
But then your a bad human being for wanting to run with that avatar in public instead of a properly optimized one

[sudden agate]

gets shamed on materials and having non atlas

[umbral reef]

@subtle lynx Tracking of the hands and head stuff

[sudden agate]

great system

[vocal shard]

i want my frames

[halcyon kestrel]

its cool u can look at ur Avatar stats

[subtle lynx]

oh :Y

[vocal shard]

lily atlasing is super easy

[subtle lynx]

that all?

[umbral reef]

Tbh- Even without the system i would shame you HARD for it

[muted wharf]

Is there a way to Atlas specific materials rather than just the entire damn thing? I don't know if CATS got updated to do that or not, haven't done any avatar stuff in a couple months

[raven mulch]

👀

[sudden agate]

i dont like atlasing

[tacit plank]

CATS can do it now, yes

[umbral reef]

@muted wharf cats can combine just specific materials

[vocal shard]

its not scary you can edit the textures either before you auto atlas in blender or you can just manually atlas and have the texture nice and spaced out and organized so you can edit it there

[sullen escarp]

you can do cool animations without needing to go over the top with stuff, but depends on the animation of course @umbral reef

[sudden agate]

takin away preference out of blender smh

[vocal shard]

why dont you like atlasing its easy

[tacit plank]

You tick the materials to combine and press "save atlax", then export and apply the baked texture. Super easy with new CATS

[rigid crescent]

damn, had to reverse the IK

[vocal shard]

anyway even if you have 8 materials thats fine

[sullen escarp]

literally just save, atlas, export, then close without saving

[umbral reef]

@sullen escarp I had to use 6 materials once for an animation (that i scuffed the day after so all the work is lost )
But even then, its just 6 and not 15 like most have

[vocal shard]

just no colliders or 100 bone hair or anything imo

[sullen escarp]

oof

[floral aspen]

Yeah that's pretty disappointing about the ik Sounders

[umbral reef]

Right now i use 2 as i wanted a diffrent shader setting on one of my avatars

[tacit plank]

Sadly, some of the materials changed color when baking... But I'm down to 5 now. Should give a better rating in game

[vocal shard]

2 is ridiculously reasonable tho

[muted wharf]

@subtle lynx IK is Inverse Kinematics, which is basically calculating where body parts should be based off of a few given positions. IE: Calculating where each part of your arms should be based off of where the hand trackers are.

[sullen escarp]

most i've ever used on a model is two materials, and i've done some super weird shit with shaders in the past

[paper pecan]

Protip for those who don't know how to do emission without separate textures:

• duplicate the texture
• take duplicated texture into photoshop/sai/gimp/any art program
• everything you do not want to have emission black
  -save
  -stick that duplicated texture into the emission slot
• done
  this is ten times easier with 1 texture like holy hell you know how much effort it is to do that for multiple materials? Too much save yourself the time and do it on the 1 atlas.

[vocal shard]

click eye

ctrl L, new material, assign

devils advocate lol

[sullen escarp]

save, atlas, export, then close without saving

[jovial ivy]

the only thing i dont like are unjoined bodymeshes

way worse than mats

[vocal shard]

[rigid crescent]

also what Alease is describing is Emission Mapping, if you want to find a guide on it

Mapping in general works this way, or in a similar fashion

[paper cloak]

fun fact, emission works by adding color to the final return value AFTER lighting calculations are done. So if it reads a black pixel, it's just adding 0.

[rigid crescent]

Whew, im out of VR. I was in VRC for about 24 hours and in VR for 14 of them lol

[vocal shard]

those days

[paper pecan]

Thats the main argument on the material front its not hard to colour things in its pretty therapeutical.

[subtle lynx]

@muted wharf Thanks! That sound rlly cool

[paper pecan]

Im about to change my hair on my model I want that good ranking

[rigid crescent]

dont wanna reduce my bones any further, Poor for me ❤

[jovial ivy]

Poor and Proud ❤

[near saffron]

[opaque hawk]

The current ranking system confirm my theory. People gravitate to low performance avatars. My worst performance avatars are also my most popular in my world

[near saffron]

Low rank = likely to be more interesting

[opaque hawk]

its low rank because bounding box

[vast tulip]

Fix the bounding box?

[near saffron]

Alot of mine are low just cuz of rigid bodies (like doing multi leg or arm avatars)

[vast tulip]

These are things you can control

[opaque hawk]

Yeah, I have to figure out how to fix it on the snail marker

I’ll figure it out 👍

[rigid crescent]

they don't gravitate to them intentionally though, they're just typically the most aesthetically pleasing due to hair most of the time

Outwardly, dynamic bones are really the only thing you can really detect. there's no way to tell if something is 6 materials or 60

So realistically it's either a coincidence, or they like the hair, or it's a popular character/mascot/whatever

[opaque hawk]

Maybe a little bit of all of that

[rigid crescent]

Yeah, to say it's related to unoptimization though isn't really something that's even possible

purely coincidence. People would gravitate towards those shitty black and white world avatars or shonzo's even without the 2500 collisions LOL

[opaque hawk]

I just find it funny it keeps happening to me.

[vocal shard]

Idk where to put this but is anyone else having an issue with avatars loading? the loading bar disappears and people tend to stay as the blue man for a while.

[rigid crescent]

It's more like popular avatar world creators are, on the whole, kinda lazy, or lacked the knowledge. It's easier to make an optimized avatar than to go back and fix one that is not.

[raw lagoon]

how can i put chair to my avatar ?

[ruby frigate]

So, rank has been reset and all my avatar faves have gone, is that normal?

[opaque hawk]

It is not normal

[ruby frigate]

this is only since maybe tuesday

[rigid crescent]

No, hit up #user-support-old and they'll probably help you

THat's weird

[vocal shard]

That is weird and kinda concerning

[ruby frigate]

oh no hang on...this might be my mistake

[vocal shard]

The loading issue was happening last night, if the person switched avatar they would load in

[ruby frigate]

Got it back

I've not seen the log in screen in so long I forgot I had both a VR login and a steam one, except I don't use the steam one but they both have the same nickname

[gloomy sequoia]

Still having issues favoriting any avatars.

[unkempt cliff]

I wish the game would just alert non-updated players to update

or reboot the game for them

to update idk

[tacit plank]

There we go, "good" rating!
I could go for "very good", but if I atlas the eyes I need to spend quite a while fixing the colors

It's a catgirl, in an atlas, so I called it Catlas

[craggy hinge]

[cold talon]

[rigid crescent]

https://puu.sh/Clit3/a15c7dffd2.png It's nice being able to have people clone me, now I can do......clone stuff

[neat ferry]

Is there a bug report or something in here?

[cobalt tulip]

welp the game randomly disconnected

my PC is finally in my room so I can play without bothering anyone

[covert linden]

Anypne wanna come on vrc and carry me around

[vocal shard]

[safe marsh]

[covert linden]

Nobody on here has chairsss

[vocal shard]

[safe marsh]

Oof is chairs becoming a thing? I didnt log yet

[vocal shard]

Yeah chairs on avatars are back

[viscid seal]

but theres an issue with chairs right now

where they can mix with triggers in the world

[covert linden]

There is?

[viscid seal]

they sometimes share the same ID as world triggers 😛

[cold talon]

oops

[viscid seal]

so if you click a button you might teleport to someones chair

[cold talon]

shit happens

[covert linden]

I just wanna be carried ;-;

[digital sparrow]

I like how Private avatars can still be cloned. Nice feature

[vocal shard]

Did you experience this? @digital sparrow

Because that should be impossible as stated by tupper

[digital sparrow]

Private is set by default in the sdk when uploading. All avatars are private, et people can clone

[vocal shard]

Private avatars are not allowed to be cloned, only public....

[covert linden]

Ive tried to clone private ones. You cant.

The option remains grayed out

[digital sparrow]

I can clone avatars I gave to a friend, as private.

and other people can clone his

[vocal shard]

It's no different than before... They solved avatar stealing a while back by making private and public avatars saved differently... Even before this update, anyone with a bit of knowledge could go in and copy the id of a avatar set to public. But private could not.

[wet warren]

Anyone having problems favouriting there avaters?

[ivory folio]

is it normal that a lot of animations/gestures appear to be client side now?

[digital sparrow]

There are only 2 options when uploading: Private and Public.
Private is the default option, Ive never touched it since theres never been an eed so.

[ivory folio]

so only you see it

[covert linden]

Then double check and make sure its off in settings because like ive tried to copy some and it doesnt let me at all..

One glitch ive seen is avatars beingstuck in tpose

[vocal shard]

That's now, but older avatars are set to public by default if they were uploaded before the private/public was added

Some of my earlier avatars were set to public by default. If they go into the sdk, they can change it to private

[stone current]

i wonder if private avatars have any more copy protection

all ive known it to do is disallow pedestal and public usage

[cold talon]

so all avatars uploaded before the private thing can be stwollen

[stone current]

u can always change that

[vocal shard]

The blueprint id is hidden differently.

[stone current]

its called content control panel

or whatever it is

content manager panel something like thay

"manage uploaded content" idk

either way u can toggle that

i wonder how many polygons until it lags as much as 30 materials

[queen mango]

Dunno.. could be tens of millions.

[stone current]

cuz one avatar i saw from v Rc mmmmoooooddssssn

was in a world too

had 32

and they were all some toon shader or a glow shader

ya like my friend has around 90 something thousand polygon avatars

and ive been with them in games

and then theres people with dozens of materials that join and the world owner kicks them

but not my friend bc not laggy

[rigid crescent]

Can we download the default avatars?

[stone current]

arent they all from mixamo

and some are uploaded on vrc MOODs

[cold talon]

when you reach this number of polys https://imgur.com/hG2FhJO

[rigid crescent]

im not seeing ad ownload

[humble geode]

Some of the default avatars are not optimized. For shame.

[stone current]

that glitch happen in all rockstar games

there was a version of the default avatar

that was subdivided like 10+ times to 280k polygons

on there

[sleek pecan]

Man oh man

the comments on the steam announcement for the new update...

either its bad or people have really unoptimized avatars

[digital sparrow]

Nice avatars in larens world: 2000+ colliders

[vocal shard]

Why?

[digital sparrow]

Most R* rips have <20k polys Ive seen and still look beyond anything mmd

[rigid crescent]

Yeah those Black n White world avatars are all block on sight

[vocal shard]

Despite it's flaws, it's still my favorite vr game and nothing compares to it

[rigid crescent]

Most of the problems are pretty minor, to be honest. It's mainly just server issues and logout clients

People thought it was the end of the world when the trust system dropped. People would quit, people would shun all new users, blocks everywhere, etc

[median basalt]

Well, it has certainly changed the VRC landscape for the worse

[tiny ginkgo]

The "controversial update decisions" are mostly controversial for hardcore users who spends a lot of time discussing them. Wouldn't you agree? Not connection issues but all the avatar stuff and such

[rigid crescent]

Nothing. A few weeks of memeing, just liek we're doing now with the performance ranks, then back to normal

[tiny ginkgo]

I assume the large majority of users only feel a handful of the stuff in their day to day life

[rigid crescent]

Other than that, no significant impact.

Yeah, that's true.

Well they quit for no reason lol userbase went up

[umbral nova]

!online

[floral flax]

There are 6693 users in VRChat currently

[rigid crescent]

dumb people making dumb choices, honestly. userbase, since the trust, went up each month with this month probably being messed up due to all the server problems

[median basalt]

The trust system has added zero value for me or my friends so far

Rather, the ability to block individual avatars has added value

[frozen trout]

i'd love to block avatar's by ID

[median basalt]

Just like the new performance system. The ranks are useless, the detailed performance breakdown is nice.

[vocal shard]

i guess there's another way to steal avatars now. i got two of my models stolen

[median basalt]

@frozen trout yes, I agree.

[frozen trout]

so i can just block all Black and White and Shonzo stuff

[rigid crescent]

"Steal avatars" nope nope nope nope nope nope nope

[median basalt]

Usually when I block avatars, I don't wanna see that avatar.

[umbral nova]

Blocking by ID

[rigid crescent]

Avatar stealing was already a thing

[cold talon]

can we get a uuuhhhhhhh block avatars by optimization?

[umbral nova]

Wish I could

[rigid crescent]

can we uhhhh no, because the ranking is bad

[cold talon]

thats the idea mic

[umbral nova]

Bahka please no lmao

[rigid crescent]

oof

They're pretty against that

[cold talon]

80% player base blocked

[rigid crescent]

that too, no one would use it because it means blocking almsot all avatars

[cold talon]

poor boi #15 present 🤚

presenting with a polycount of NaN (NaN)

oh wait, im very poor

time to switch gangs i guess

https://imgur.com/hG2FhJO

[umbral nova]

I want to know where I lie

Poorbois or neighbour

[sleek pecan]

I'm on poor because I have a single light

a single light

yet, if I had it hidden behind a animation it doesn't care

[umbral nova]

S i n g l e

[sleek pecan]

L i g h t

[umbral nova]

@sleek pecan Just make it play upon avatar awake. Ez

[pliant prawn]

as much as I dislike the raking system I do really appreciate the detailed performance breakdown. it's make me think about dynamic bone usage a lot more than I ever would have otherwise

[cold talon]

lIgHtS aRe VeRy PeRfOrMaNcE hEaVy

[sleek pecan]

yeah, I might set up a animator for that but tbh I dont really care about the raking

why can't VRchat just used deferred lighting it would fix everything! /s

[median basalt]

It's only visible in the quick menu at least.

[sleek pecan]

I like the showing it to other people thing imo

the rating... not so much

make it more lenient imo

allow things like a single light

[umbral nova]

V2 will hopefully have a weighting system

[sleek pecan]

?

[pliant prawn]

then V3 will have the auto-block by performance rating

[cold talon]

have it make the average instead of lowest one

@pliant prawn YES PLEASE !

[pliant prawn]

fuck off

[umbral nova]

Lmao

[cold talon]

ouch

[sleek pecan]

🇭🇲

[cold talon]

ok back to the topic we go

recovered form the shock

[sleek pecan]

how does recovered form the shock?

[cold talon]

ok well wait for you

[queen mango]

Still shaking?

[umbral nova]

I love that Jamie maid emote

Lmao

[cold talon]

oh shit almost posted a forbidden emote about shaking

that was a close one

[umbral nova]

H m

[queen mango]

Really close...

[umbral nova]

I want a sweat emote mmm

Discord do it

[cold talon]

elire knows which one
got 2 people banned for posting it

[umbral nova]

Or VRC discord

I know too Bahka

[queen mango]

What? I didn't know..

[stone current]

[umbral nova]

T'was the two Gs

[cold talon]

dafuk what is this australia?
lone knows and elire doesn't
you are in the server elire you should know everything

[vocal shard]

funny that most people with poor avatars are trusted users lol

[stone current]

cuz the ranking system just kinda gave random ranks

based on playtime and avatar count

so if u uploaded like a crapton of bad avatars

u still got a good trust rank

[rigid crescent]

that's uhhhh

[cold talon]

ummmm

[rigid crescent]

extremely incorrect m8

[vocal shard]

lmao

[queen mango]

[stone current]

no

one of my friends played for a while before the trust ranks came

and they had over 50 unoptimized avatars

some lagging extensively

and someone he knew had about the same but also crashers

and they have a trusted user rank

[rigid crescent]

So?

[stone current]

so it doesnt make sense

[rigid crescent]

Yes it does. Optimization of avatars have zero impact on it

[stone current]

exactly

[vocal shard]

[stone current]

but it doesnt make sense because

[rigid crescent]

amount of avatars probably didnt have much, there's people with like 3 i knew who were trusted

[stone current]

now trusted users who are supposed to be trusted

[rigid crescent]

im sure it helped, it does say so i think. "uploaded content"

[stone current]

have a bunch of crashers and crap

[rigid crescent]

mainly due to people not reporting, yeah

[stone current]

so the trust rank is almost meaningless

[rigid crescent]

yep, that's true.

[stone current]

only thing i like about it is ability to separate friends from other ranks

cuz disabling things for noobs isnt really helpful unless theyre all going to bad avatar worlds

its like the trust system is inverted

the people you most trust are more likely to have just a lot of avatars and some having a lot of bad ones

[viscid seal]

i disagree with that

you're always gonna get bad apples in each rank

[stone current]

yea i get that however

[viscid seal]

doesnt mean trusted is more likely to have them than normal user

[stone current]

when the system was implemented

people who uploaded before the system kinda followed that trend

but there are still people yea

who like just favorite every crash avatar they find in worlds

but idk i just seem to notice it more in hgher ranks

[viscid seal]

well with the 2017 update and stricter review checks

[stone current]

i don't have anything blocked

[viscid seal]

those kind of worlds will hopefully decrease

and if you see any, they should be reported

[stone current]

should be easier to catch now

with the clone avatar thing

[viscid seal]

yeah, especially with author visible

[stone current]

cuz u can see ^

[rigid crescent]

Do your part, report those worlds 👌

[stone current]

then u can report both the world/avatar owner and the avatar user

[rigid crescent]

I should make a propaganda poster

[stone current]

make it like those communist ones lol

back from the red scare

this but in context: https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/rsz_fnrywxd.png

like vrchat menace report sights of laggy bois

[cold talon]

[cobalt tulip]

VRChat started paging to my HDD

Seems like 8GB aint enough anymore

[devout lynx]

sup

[rigid crescent]

anyone have the red exclamation point as an image?

[devout lynx]

Ok so what the green,yellow, and red marker by their usernames are for?

[fast cypress]

@covert chasm animations don't show in mirrors

[vocal shard]

Im having trouble with favoriting skins, anyone else?

[brisk umbra]

@devout lynx that shows if the avatar is optimised or not

[vocal shard]

@devout lynx you mean the new icons to tell how optimized your avatar is?

[umbral reef]

@fast cypress please don't ping the admins for non emergencies
Also it's a older and known bug. Please look on the canny next time...

[fast cypress]

I said it cause I don't care

[vocal shard]

[umbral reef]

You realize the only results are nothing happens or that you get kicked for it and nothing happens?

[storm stag]

Rank demote

[umbral reef]

Hype?

[bronze sun]

is there a way to have a snail marker without getting poor rating for bounds?

[umbral reef]

Right now no

[bronze sun]

😦

[umbral nova]

@fast cypress Animations don't show in mirrors

Also Tupper isn't part of the dev team so why are you pinging HIM?

[devout lynx]

humm?

well some user avatars take time to load?

[umbral reef]

Because he is a dumdum

[vocal shard]

this has probably been brought up before, but, i wonder if VRC team raised the polycount limit to 70k knowing that they're saving usage with the new IK system. So now that it's gone, i wonder if users will have a hard time with more high poly models

[rigid crescent]

Nope, probably not

[floral field]

why can i show avatars or fav avatars?

why?

[umbral reef]

@vocal shard poly's almost add nothing tho

[floral field]

and my question is ignored :c

[inner cape]

Because

Why would you be ashamed of your favourites

[floral field]

im not ashamed

[inner cape]

Sounds like a you problem

But I cannot tell for sure

[floral field]

a me probled or a tuba problem?

[inner cape]

He deleted his msg

Whoever it was

[empty hull]

where are favorited worlds?

[glossy wharf]

Have been replaced with playlists

[empty hull]

How do I get to my own?

[glossy wharf]

Bottom of world lsit

[empty hull]

Considering the last thing there is Recent worlds, do I have to re-favorite my worlds

[glossy wharf]

Probably yea

[rigid crescent]

damn, really?

[empty hull]

eyah

[umbral oracle]

No, they should show up. Add a new world to favorites (i had 32/96 before) put it in world list 2. Then world list 1 shows up called my-worlds

[empty hull]

maybe idk

By the looks of it I have to refavorite all the worlds and put them in a playlist for them to show up even though they say they're already favorited

[tough dew]

MORE

[opaque remnant]

We've upped the maximum number of Favorite avatars from 3 to 16

[tough dew]

UPDATE

[floral aspen]

Billy May's Voice: BUT WAIT THERES MORE

[distant charm]

16 favorite avatars

[rigid crescent]

EVEN MORE RELEVANT https://puu.sh/Cln4B/31ee1a21bd.png

[tough dew]

yo update another time cuz I think my avatar’s arms breaks whenever I navigate through the menu

[vocal shard]

I wonder who the main programmer is for VRChat

[neon flume]

Wew it's been a busy few days for the devs

[umbral reef]

@vocal shard They got a full dev team so...

[vocal shard]

o

[opaque remnant]

i'm really happy about that, since i've met a couple people so far with personal avatars that they set to public so people could use them, but favorite slots got really tight fast

[rigid crescent]

Does this update fix the looping? I know it mentions network stuff, but Iunno

[hoary ridge]

Vrchat team really pumping out the holiday avatars

[rancid vessel]

Yaay its about time we get more favorite avatar limit!! Thanks Tupper!!! 😄

[hoary ridge]

Updates*

[vocal shard]

pumping out the updates

[tacit plank]

I think the IK change stressed their network

[hoary ridge]

Whoops

[tacit plank]

So, it should

[rocky blaze]

am sorry 16?

lol would have been fine with 5 haha

[versed rampart]

This is getting awesome😃

[upper fox]

I hope the new IK system opens up the opportunity for custom mocap solutions in the future

[fossil oasis]

16 favorites 😄 Thank youuuuu

[vernal forge]

16 favourite POGGERS

[floral aspen]

Zim the new IK optimizations had to be rolled back

[umbral oracle]

No excuse now not to have ridable avatars in everyone's favorites lists. Let the avatar tower construction begin

[upper fox]

I know

but it sounds interesting

[tacit plank]

Careful with stacking dynamic bones chairs

[floral aspen]

and technically its the same IK we've always had, it's just calculated locally

[tacit plank]

If you have too many, and they're too laggy (sync incorrectly) it will wobble more and more

And bam, everybody crashes

It's also not fun to be the top guys, every frame you will be rotated differently

[twin jacinth]

Shit there's been a lot of patches today

[rancid vessel]

What does playlist under social do?

[vocal shard]

Playlist is like favorite's, but you can share it with friends

[civic plume]

so there goes IK updates. they cant handle the load :/

[twin jacinth]

lol 90% of all players have poor performance on their avatars
Feelsbad

[grand zealot]

because the system is garbage

[queen mango]

Did they amp up the favorite avatars to 16?

[vocal shard]

Yep

[queen mango]

Jesus.. And I thought 3 is okay...

[vast tulip]

wow thats a big jump

[queen mango]

People will never truly get satisfied

[umbral oracle]

I would have been happy with 4 . They could have milked the updates for months or years. Like the level cap in WoW

[faint jay]

avatar favoriting dosn't work now but kool i can tech. have 16

[civic plume]

the avatar perf ranking is bad. the way its done needs to be fixed

[covert linden]

I wouldve been ok with 5 xD but thats ok

[distant charm]

I've actually been wanting more favorite avatars for a while. I'm glad this came out of nowhere lol

[covert linden]

Yeah my friend isnt even able to favourite anything

[faint jay]

inb4 10 up-dates in one night

[left summit]

did they remove favourited worlds or something?

[civic plume]

something that will never get adressed again is the damn fucking crouch animations and prone

[opaque remnant]

they changed it into a playlist system, the favorite worlds, but even though all my old favorites are still listed as such, i seem to have to readd them

[tacit plank]

Prone is good for panty pics

[civic plume]

yes but the animation for it

[umbral oracle]

@left summit favorited worlds are not gone. They are called playlists now. Your worlds should have been migrated to a list called "my-worlds" but many people are seeing glitches

[left summit]

I can't seem to find anything called my worlds either so rip

[devout lynx]

Ok so how to restart steam to have updated versions?

[gloomy sequoia]

Still having trouble favoriting avatars.

.-.

[opaque remnant]

simply exit steam and start it again

[gloomy sequoia]

Swear if I have to uninstall and reinstall... Again...

[golden violet]

so many updates... my night just got ruined because I joined a bit late and my friends refuse to update their game and I can't see any of my friends...

[gloomy sequoia]

Damn.

[faint jay]

okuu if you dont come back soon things will happen to your body

[vocal shard]

gimme veteran rank back

[golden violet]

wat..

[vocal shard]

instead of adding more poop into vrc

[queen mango]

Mann... I don't think a lot of people would want that.

Could divide the players even moreso

[vocal shard]

remove social ranking system, thanks.

got blocked bc my avatar is poor yikes good update

[rigid crescent]

Fix it then?

[vocal shard]

^^

[rigid crescent]

My avatar is poor and i dont care if i get blocked for it lol i made the choice to use an avatar that may, in large groups, cause lag. i do my best to change out of it when im in publics though

[queen mango]

There are two courses of action for that, B-ken.. One is to optimize, the other is to take the complaint to the canny.

Your choice...

[vocal shard]

All my avatars is on medium, I can't be arsed If I get blocked or not.

[queen mango]

Medium seems fine..

[opaque remnant]

if people enjoy talking to gray avatars because you have 1 polygon over the limit then that's their choice

[blissful meadow]

Anyone else unable to favorite avatars? It doesn't have to your list

[vocal shard]

For some people Good/Excellent is the only thing they accept lmao

[sleek lintel]

@blissful meadow No it isnt working for anyone

[blissful meadow]

Alright

[sleek lintel]

They failed it

[faint jay]

they failed this city

[sleek lintel]

lol

[vocal shard]

on rock and roll? 🤔

[queen mango]

👀

[sly veldt]

@umbral oracle @left summit that is correct. a Private Playlist is the favorite world row now. And they should still be there in playlist 1. You have three lists. You can set them to private, friends or public. Yes, there's minor issues but we'll fix in a week or so.

[sleek lintel]

What with favourite avatars? @sly veldt

[queen mango]

There are 16 now.. Were the players demanding that high of a numer?

[rigid crescent]

Is there anything in these updates recently that would've messed up skyboxes that use video? Before the update it was fine, but now not so much.

[swift zodiac]

cause i have a bug like everyone else i bet where i can't fav anything o3o

[sly veldt]

@sleek lintel hmm? Please explain. Give details if you can

[tacit plank]

Hey it's cerealguy. I remember that comic becoming a meme
And yeah, a few people are having issues with favorites

[sly veldt]

Favorite what?

"a few" ?

[swift zodiac]

avatars @sly veldt

[sly veldt]

details and specifics

[sleek lintel]

@sly veldt VRCHAT updated so you can have 16 avatars who you can favourite. But dosen't work, they disappear

[sly veldt]

To exhausted to guess when issues are reported in fuzzy ways. thanks.

[sleek lintel]

Okey

[sly veldt]

yeah, I've heard some reports of users not seeing fave avatars.

[tacit plank]

Favorite worlds not showing up (this might be fixed, it has been reported for some time) and recently not being able to favorite things.
Haven't seen any technical information. Maybe people just forgot to load the model before trying to click the favorite button or something

[queen mango]

Oof.. Been busy all-day with the updates, Ron?

[sly veldt]

@tacit plank "recently not being able to favorite <things>"? what things

Worlds, Avatars, Friends?

[sleek lintel]

Avatars,

[swift zodiac]

nah my friend made this avatar i want fav and its loaded in then i click fav and it is not showing up

[tacit plank]

Avatars for sure, don't remember if the others were mentioned. And people usually don't provide any more information than "I can't fav"

[swift zodiac]

under my fav list

[sleek lintel]

They disappear after you favourite them.

[swift zodiac]

mhm

[sly veldt]

1. Playlists have some issues. We'll fix in Jan

2. Favorite avatars going missing has been reported. We'll fix in Jan

[rigid crescent]

_>

[sly veldt]

3. Favorite friends is not affected

[empty wharf]

Basically, don’t worry people they’ll fix it in due time

[sleek lintel]

...

[rigid crescent]

Ron who's got the most VRChat hours, spill the beans

[sleek lintel]

In jan?

[empty wharf]

That’s next week

[tacit plank]

I saw a screenshot some months back of a Japanese guy with 4k hours

[rocky blaze]

christ 4k?

[rigid crescent]

I think one of my friends has 6k, lemme check

[empty wharf]

Lmao, don’t forget New Years is like Tuesday/Wednesday

[sleek lintel]

Depends where you live

[empty wharf]

Either way, jan is next week

[queen mango]

2 weeks, Vein

[tacit plank]

But at that point it's just people who AFK or worse (pay for those steam hour generators or whatever)

[sleek lintel]

Not really

[rigid crescent]

Yeah, he's got like 6k by now. ive got dms from back when he was at 5k

[sleek lintel]

It's like 9 days to Jan

[vocal shard]

January is fine, let them get some holiday rest

[empty wharf]

Nvm yeah two weeks. That’s not long. Don’t get your panties in a twist

[rigid crescent]

No he's 100% playtime. He's in VR almost every waking moment that he's home.

[sleek lintel]

😛

[empty wharf]

Patience is a virtue

[tacit plank]

Oh, nice! Must have some big battery banks

[faint jay]

when rolling back a broken update is not an option, smh

[sleek lintel]

@empty wharf Yh

[rigid crescent]

he's got an occulus so i guess he just swaps batteries every few days

[tacit plank]

I really need to sleep. Laters.
They rolled back the IK changes which made the network unstable in the first place Kibs

[oblique crescent]

lol

[tacit plank]

Oh right, occulus is a thing

[rigid crescent]

when they rolled back a broken update already @faint jay

[oblique crescent]

what made them decide 16 is the appropriate number?

[sly veldt]

me

[empty wharf]

Solid number. And it’s like more than 4 times as many as you could have before.

[faint jay]

@rigid crescent need a roll back to the befinning

[tacit plank]

Everything has to be power of twos

[opaque hawk]

I was cloning avatar and thought "hey would be nice now to have a higher fav count" thank you Devs!

[sly veldt]

I was enjoying cloning and cloning stuff with seats. I wanted to save more of what I saw. There were tech and future design reasons to limit before but I pushed the limit up.

[rigid crescent]

How far back do you think?

[faint jay]

alpha

[rigid crescent]

Should we roll back before the panic button? lol

[faint jay]

plz

[empty wharf]

Keep it rockin’ Ron 👌

[tacit plank]

I'm off for real now. And nice work to the dev team!

[blissful meadow]

fix avatar favoriting

[empty wharf]

Lmao.

[celest hawk]

Oof. They'll fix it in Jan.

[sleek lintel]

xd

[empty wharf]

🔪

[sleek lintel]

hahahahah

[royal basin]

Favoriting is like the least of the problems they needed to fix

[elfin ether]

Awesome! Instead of adding 3 now 16

[celest hawk]

What's the worst?

[empty wharf]

Time for me to get on VRC and see how horribly laggy my avatars are.

Hopefully not

[sleek lintel]

Yh

[royal basin]

The worst was fixed i think, involving scripts not working on worlds

A lot of people were upset and a lot of worlds broke

[jagged sedge]

I was hyped about the chairs but realized the sdk still limited model height....

[sly veldt]

@royal basin that's a grand generalization and incorrect for the most part.

There were some specifics. Edge case stuff.

[empty wharf]

Yeah idk about any worlds breaking

[royal basin]

Err what i meant to say was the instantiate script broke from what i know

Im not too good on worlds so i'm just repeating

[marble solstice]

16 favs! thanks, devs! 😍

[royal basin]

So uh sorry flr any misinfo

[sly veldt]

Fair enough. Lot of things though are like that old game of telephone

[empty wharf]

Ron is proud of that number

[sleek lintel]

xd

[empty wharf]

16 everything from here on out.

[sly veldt]

Soon I'd like to add in a new and update thing to the menu. So people can get realtime updated info and news on issues and resolutions

[jagged sedge]

That would be great

[sly veldt]

Lot of misinformation gets passed around and morphed

[celest hawk]

Oooo...\

[empty wharf]

Did you guys ever add that label that would tell you if someone was toxic, like blocked a lot and kicked a lot?

[jagged sedge]

Btw Ron do you know if the player height will ever be increased or no plans on that?

[sly veldt]

I've seen and played giants in VRChat that are massive. I have one I made.

[spiral fog]

vrchat is not leting me favorite avatars

[celest hawk]

It's a universal thing.

[sly veldt]

@spiral fog details?

You can't favorite any of them. They have to be public. The user has to have the clone setting on.

[jagged sedge]

It would have required to break the sdk tho and I don’t think you can with this new sdk?

[sly veldt]

Do you mean, the list is not there?

[oak venture]

i think a lot of us are having that issue

i have been too.

[celest hawk]

If you click an avatar and try to favorite it. It won't let you.

[sly veldt]

You can't favorite any of them. They have to be public. The user has to have the clone setting on.

[spiral fog]

yes and it say i favorite 1 but i go back it say 0/16

[celest hawk]

Oh.

[sly veldt]

Try favoriting a default avatar

[oak venture]

basically you click favorite and it looks like it has gone through, will say 1/16 and all, but if you exit and go bakc into the menu, or put on another avatar, it doesnt show up on the list and goes back to 0/16.

[spiral fog]

i did it doing the same

[celest hawk]

Wait. The user as in the avatar maker has to set them as Public or is this something the Player can tweak in their options?

[oak venture]

even with default avatars

[celest hawk]

To fix the favorites "Bug"

[oak venture]

doing the same thing.

[spiral fog]

yes

[sly veldt]

@celest hawk user has to set to public. user has to have "allow cloning" on in settings

And that's not to fix a bug. that's how it functions

[celest hawk]

😐

[oak venture]

i cannot favorite any avatar.

[celest hawk]

Well then...

[sly veldt]

the bug I'm hearing most about it is that the favorites list is busted

that its not showing up

[oak venture]

yup pretty much.

[celest hawk]

When I played, I saw it. I was just confused as to why I couldn't add any favorties.

[sly veldt]

Right. So adding favorites is broken. Not cloning

[oak venture]

yeah,

[spiral fog]

yes

[celest hawk]

Yee.

[oak venture]

i havent had anything involving cloning being an issue.

[celest hawk]

I haven't even touched cloning yet to be honest.

Still something I have to mess with.

[sacred bough]

No avatars I favorite are being added to the favorites list after I updated. I already emptied my cash and reinstalled vrchat and still nothing. Is anyone else having this issue?

[oak venture]

yes

[celest hawk]

Everyone is.

[vocal shard]

Cloning makes distributing avatars much easier and more organic, and it's easy enough to disable.

[swift zodiac]

cloning works fine at least what know of 😮

[oak venture]

ive also heard something about it not being a problem with steam users.

[sick cobalt]

[swift zodiac]

it is just faving the avatar that is busted

[oak venture]

but it definitely is an issue in vrchat id users.

[sick cobalt]

alot is going on in this chat

[celest hawk]

Yep.

[queen mango]

I'm surprised that VRChat has seen a lot of updates this year.

[celest hawk]

We're just letting the Devs know what's going on.

Well they did 3 today.

[queen mango]

And probably more the last several months

[sly veldt]

@oak venture do you have more details? do you mean steam accounts or vrchat accounts on steam?

[vocal shard]

rip hentaihaven

F in the chat bois

[queen mango]

Now's not the time..

[swift zodiac]

@sly veldt so i think she means the avatar faving only works for steam users and it busted for vrchat accounts with out knowing it

[civic plume]

F

[vocal shard]

F

[queen mango]

Eh? It seems to be working that last time I used them..

Well, during the Open Beta..

[oak venture]

i mean steam accounts, but i am not truely sure where i saw this detail.

give me a moment

i cannot find where someone said it

but yeah, basically what cereal said

unless a steam user says otherwise, thats what ive heard.

[sly veldt]

I just tested on steam account and it's working

[spiral fog]

i talking to a friend and she useing a vrchat account and it work for her

[oak venture]

yeah. working for steam users i guess then

[spiral fog]

but i useing one to but not working for me

[oak venture]

im using a vrchat account.

are you sure your friend is using one?

[spiral fog]

yes and i am to

[oak venture]

okay.

im not positive then

[sly veldt]

possible fix inbound. thanks everyone

[spiral fog]

ok

[sly veldt]

I got lucky and some vrchat team still around and not too crispy. Might take a while to deploy and propagate. Like a couple of hours or so. So sit tight.

[vocal shard]

👌

[oak venture]

thank you

[languid beacon]

What are you doing go on vacation

[sly veldt]

Play Dreams Creator Alpha (I am friends with founders of Media Molecule) and lots of making the musics with synhts

[umbral oracle]

Dreams! Is it getting released soon?

[sly veldt]

I don't know

but I have the alpha

[umbral oracle]

If there was anything that would get me to buy a psvr it is that

[rancid vessel]

My favorites are missing.. I can't view playlist of worlds either, I added a world and it shows up but still the game is suggesting 30 are favorited but can't view them 😦

[oak venture]

oh? an avatar just favorited for me

[rigid crescent]

hey ron where can I get the Sue avatar from the defaults?

[near sky]

Rare announcement from Ron 👀

[umbral nova]

Yes

[sly veldt]

mm hmm

That avatar stuff should be fixed. let me know

(give it a few mins for things to deploy)

[umbral nova]

Also thanks for saving me from that ping that I still had from Tupper

[rancid vessel]

Ron should i report my bug i am seeing to support@Vrchat?

[umbral nova]

it wouldn't go away

[sly veldt]

Can people go check their favorite avatars that were having issues?

exit vrchat and stuff first

@rancid vessel yes please. you can tell me here too

[near sky]

Been working perfect on my end; but I'll make a mention if I do have any issues

[rancid vessel]

@sly veldt basically what is happening is, I can see what I favorite like right now, But the other 30/96 that i had favorited before the update can't be seen on my end. (World Favorites)

[sly veldt]

@spiral fog try it out

@rancid vessel worlds or friends?

[spiral fog]

ok

[rancid vessel]

Worlds :3

[sly veldt]

Playlists have a few issues. Make three playlists and migrate stuff into each

Playlists are a hugely complex feature that we didn't manage to totally debug but they do work for the most part. The idea is to gather bugs over christmas break and fix in new year

[spiral fog]

it fix ty

[sly veldt]

@warm ember that'll be $5 please

[spiral fog]

lol

[vocal shard]

Ok cool. Thanks for letting us know ^^

[fallow field]

If you haven't been told already, I haven't been able to add friends to any of my favorites list

[vocal shard]

whoa

any1 know how to fix broken bases

[earnest vortex]

Dont drop the base too hard.

[vocal shard]

never dropped them

[earnest vortex]

👉 😎 👉

[vocal shard]

the tracking is so bad

why vive is so terrible

if only oculus made full body tracking

[near sky]

Vive tracking is pretty damn accurate

[earnest vortex]

OH!! base stations!! ok if you have ANYTHING reflective in your room. it's going to reflect the light

[vocal shard]

htc would be done for

i have blackout curtains

[earnest vortex]

get rid of anything that would bounce the light around.

[vocal shard]

i use tripods

[earnest vortex]

are you sure your movments aren't causeing a slight shift in the stations?

[near sky]

Yeah. I had a picture frame I had no idea had Glass over it. I'm Oculus, but it changes things. Given Vive's use of lasers I imagine impact could be greater there

[vocal shard]

you know if oculus made trackers it would be better than vive

Why?

[near sky]

[vocal shard]

'vive is terrible

Why?

[near sky]

[earnest vortex]

well you have the stations on tripods. Your movements might be causeing vibrations that are amplifying their way up your tripod

[vocal shard]

losing tracking when a wire goes into FOV of the base

[crisp ruin]

vive tracking is better than oculus? thats the one thing that it beats oculus on

[vocal shard]

thats pretty bad

impossible... oculus has the best tracking

ive never lost tracking with oculus sensors

[earnest vortex]

the calibration on the stations is veerrrry sensitive

[vocal shard]

🤔 so if you block the base station... You lose tracking... Wow that's suprising

oculus doesnt lose tracking when wires go into FOV

[near sky]

Image-based infrared tracking is heavier and has more inaccuracy. I enjoy Oculus' product more, but data backs Valve's tech as far as I've ever known -even over larger area

[rigid crescent]

"when wires go into fov" neither does Vive, sooo