vrchat-general-2

[woven steppe]

but collider mechanics aren't glitchy at all

[cold talon]

sure ok

[woven steppe]

I mean I don't know what sort of flight you'd want... Colliders already allow you perfectly controlled ascent and decent, hovering and zooming around at half the speed of sound.

Perhaps the only thing missing is roll control.

[cold talon]

there's a map that has flying chairs, but i really cant remember its name, something like that

[delicate stump]

those with trails?

[cold talon]

yep yep

would need some joint magic to make it work, but i think its doable

[median basalt]

@woven steppe Tupper didn't see the value in sitting on your own chairs so he closed it altogether

I doubt it was even discussed

Chairs would allow for easier stable hovering

And you can fixed joint it to lock it in the world etc

[cold talon]

well he said we can do i with colliders so if thats true im ok, but it would still be cool to selfmount

[tiny ginkgo]

Self mount...

That's an interesting concept

[woven steppe]

mountception

[cold talon]

btw that would enable teleporters

[woven steppe]

Also why am I the one pinged about the sitting on your own chair thing when that's not even what I was talking about?

I was specifically asking if someone's put one on a fixed joint yet so it stays on one spot instead of being constantly on yourself

[delicate stump]

goku teleportation

[woven steppe]

nothing about that suggests I meant sitting on one's own chair

[dark narwhal]

Im gonna attempt to make a world that uses different base models with chairs attached so that people can be accesories on the avatar like puppets with visemes or be the arms themselves. Having 3 people control one model sounds like a fun time

[woven steppe]

A crew served avatar...

[dark narwhal]

Imagine a player with a player being its arms with another player being a puppet on said arm

[delicate stump]

lol

[dark narwhal]

And with the new avatar sharing i can just hand out peices on the go to extend the crew

[cold talon]

https://imgur.com/IUIcjH6
ok i just need 21 players

[dark narwhal]

Just gonna run around with one arm till i find a left arm....

[idle cipher]

is anyone getting random crashes

[woven steppe]

no

[idle cipher]

hmmm

[woven steppe]

What I have run into are some connection problems but that sorts itself out after a few tries

[vocal shard]

i can't even log in still

get the ciruclar login loading thing just goes a little then jumps to 100% and then the vrchat spinny thing shows twice then it repeats

[west cobalt]

Hi

[vocal shard]

in losading loop. im drunk. whats going on guys?

help

[sweet agate]

same im on loop

[vocal shard]

well crap

wanna see my bf. I'm sad now

[digital spire]

in loading loooooop

[fallow gulch]

i am loadloop boi at the moment

[true sky]

we found a strange bug

if we overclone, everyone is frozen on our end

[stuck leaf]

time stopped

[true sky]

mhm

[sour willow]

Blackscreen upon trying to load the game is happening to me and two others

[grave dagger]

How are vehicles now that seats have been improved?

[still lark]

@true sky You're thinking too small, try again. :P

[woven kelp]

@true sky yer just happened to us

[true sky]

ERROR: Corotine couldn't be started because the game object "players" is inactive what i was spammed in console

[fiery sentinel]

Anyone notice that the recent update also broke any and all flying avatars?

[still lark]

Literally everyone got that issue

Also @fiery sentinel Don't use rigidbodies and you'll be fine.

[true sky]

happened when we cloned like crazy

[fiery sentinel]

I don't make em' myself I just love to use them

[true sky]

#clonefest

[still lark]

My group was just chatting and it happened, it's because photon died most likely

RiotingSpectre, Wanna try my flying avatar? Add me, IGN is my discord name.

[true sky]

it was kindof funny ngl

[viscid seal]

not all flying avatars

just some methods don't work thats all

as a side effect to some changes

[glossy wharf]

@fiery sentinel mine still works

[vocal shard]

@vocal shard i had the same thing happen drunk last night lol its high ping

https://vrchat.canny.io/bug-reports/p/cant-even-login-now-201844

[vale epoch]

Oh, what method doesn’t work anymore?

I have a flying avatar I’d like to continue using, and plans to make more

[still lark]

I believe rigidbody colliders no longer work correctly (or at all?). also mesh colliders are removed from avatars so yeah.

[vocal shard]

you just need to update the game. close steam and reopen. It fixed it

[vale epoch]

Perfect. Mine didn’t use rigidbody colliders. I was using a parented object

[vocal shard]

tried

yeah i cant get on

its does a infite loading and black screen

[fiery sentinel]

@vocal shard same here

[vocal shard]

now im getting logging in then it loads then logging in again then load wth going on

omg i got in

[fiery sentinel]

Omg me too

[agile holly]

Probably just VRC things... servers maybe need some tweaking for the new update / patch

[fiery sentinel]

Yeah probably

[alpine glacier]

same here as well

[pliant prawn]

"The devs are aware and are looking into it" - The Game

[lapis nebula]

I wonder if I am able to test worlds created in Unity though while it is dead

[ruby needle]

the testing still needs to log in so if that does not work you cant test worlds offline.

[small wing]

the loading screens needs one of those target practice guns from VRC home lol.

nb4 someone says its a bad idea even though i'm clearly joking about loading times

[vocal shard]

im getting pretty nostalgic about feb and march

when you couldn't log in every few weeks

they'll fix it tho just wait it out

[lapis nebula]

I just get this image of Santa's Elves rushing all over the Server location, trying to suss out what the issue is

[pliant prawn]

Yeah wait until after Christmas since they pushed out a broken update right before they go on holiday break

[golden horizon]

"we want vrchat to be a safe and fun experience for everyone"
creates system where it's easy to identify and witch hunt people who's avatars may cause any lag at all making it a very unsafe and toxic enviroment

[still lark]

If people witch hunt you, report em. ez

[rigid crescent]

witch hunt how

what will they do?

[candid acorn]

Bully and harrass you for having a "poor" or "very poor" ranking

[rigid crescent]

most users have that flame

[true sky]

ive seen some abuse it and use it as an excuse to tell everyone to block you

[candid acorn]

Report what when tupper and company have literally encouraged it in the name of you optimizing your avatar

[rigid crescent]

encouraged it?proof?

[umbral reef]

If people start calling you bad things for not having an optimized avatar report them
If they block your avatar that aint harrasement my dude

[golden horizon]

This isnt going to be encouragement. This will end up with a lot of people leaving the game because they are new avatar creators and are going to be harassed or bullied for having an avatar that isn't fully optimized

[candid acorn]

no other system
Working on the games optimization is a good alternative. The ik change they've made is another.

[true sky]

if people tell me to fix, i will, but over a good rating can be annoying

most is good or medium

[rigid crescent]

thats unsubstantiated ninja

[vocal shard]

atlasing is in the tupper tutorial and dynamic bone colliders and shit are extra effort

[rigid crescent]

people said that about trust too

[vocal shard]

get a thicker skin honestly learn how to meme on people cause it'll help you in real life not getting bullied and your feelings hurt

[small wing]

https://vrchat.canny.io/bug-reports/p/void-club-crashing-when-joining-audio-freeze

[candid acorn]

This kind of ranking system, along with the trust ranking, are well meaning, but ignore the reality of human nature and how people behave socially

Online especially

[golden horizon]

We're lucky that the trust system worked out so well. But this is a new level to that

[small wing]

oof i said it again

[umbral reef]

@candid acorn Please list what they should optimize then?
Because fyi- the game is fairly optimized right now

[golden horizon]

Exactly Flame

[vocal shard]

people already meme on grey plate deskie lepricuan players

[candid acorn]

Why don't I force you to just buy a new pc?

[rigid crescent]

because it assumes all avatars are public

[golden horizon]

It's not wrong to force people to have optimized avatars. It's wrong to display it to everyone who will not be helpful to you and only chastize you for having one that's unoptomized

[umbral reef]

Have you actually seen peeps to that without them memeing?

[vocal shard]

but on the flipside i want to know who to block their avatar because i've done it before where i find a foxgirl with 9 tails with 10 bones each where i block them

and i get 20+ extra frames

[rigid crescent]

exactly

the stats help

[vocal shard]

yeah people on vrchat aren't assholes like you see people being on irc and discord and stuff for the most part cause the human to human interaction makes them more empathetic

[rigid crescent]

my only issue is people who know better and dont improve

[golden horizon]

And that's fine, and not everyone is going to be toxic about it. But there will be an influx in user reports for harassment and people leaving the game AND discouraging new avatar creators because of toxic events

[dark narwhal]

Stop...Get some help

[still lark]

I haven't heard IRC in a long time. lol

[rigid crescent]

just like people predicted with trust system

[vocal shard]

someone who's going to be toxic to you would be toxic for any other reason really

[rigid crescent]

didnt happen

[vocal shard]

IRC = 90s vrchat lol

[rigid crescent]

being a newcreator is easier than ever

[golden horizon]

True, but this gives toxic users a new reason to be toxic to anyone and not just because they noticed you

[dark narwhal]

Ew learning

[vocal shard]

atlasing is easy and at this point the CATS autoatlas has improved a ton its button clicks

[umbral reef]

Tbh- Being a new creator has never been so easy...
Cats made most optimization laughable easy to do

[golden horizon]

You do have to learn, but you can't be perfect you're first time

[vocal shard]

optimization is literally just don't have more than 8 materials don't have dynamic bone colliders have maybe 8 max dynamic bones

yeah optimizing isn't like how it was back in februrary

[small wing]

psshhh. get on my level an 3d model ur shit.

[ivory lantern]

I find it funny when people say they’d optimise their avatar if they’re asked. But that’s literally what the SDK and CATS asks for but most people bypass it

[small wing]

yall are lazy if you think optimizing is hard.

[rigid crescent]

trusted with unoptimized =/=new user unoptimized

[vocal shard]

or when your friend brags about how he atlased to one material while his hair swings around with its 30 bones

[golden horizon]

Most people are new to the program Audio, so it's not always lazyness. It's learning and understanding how things work

[dark narwhal]

Does the optimization stat account for derendered objects

[ivory lantern]

No it doesn’t

[covert linden]

I cant rid of many bones if theres hidden chains because I dont have a mouuuuse

[still lark]

derendered. lmao

[dark narwhal]

Prerendered

[ivory lantern]

I have a model with 3 extra meshes but it only registers the one that’s active

[umbral reef]

@vocal shard One collider and ~35 transformed bones are fine imo
But going above that stuff is indeed most of the time if you spend enough time

[vocal shard]

new avatar makers will learn faster and if they would cry or have breakdowns for something like being memed on like that then vrchat's too dangerous for them anyway

[golden horizon]

There's a thin line between meming and bullying.

[small wing]

they all use shitty prefabs anyways.

[vocal shard]

yeah i'll be honest i've ran around with 40 bones in my hair in pugs and still got good frames but im sure if there was 20 of me it'd be bad

prob

[golden horizon]

If you're not going to help someone or give pointers or advice then don't meme them. If you don't know them especially

[rigid crescent]

@vocal shard bigbrain. thats what people dont get

[small wing]

Meme me daddy.

[heavy timber]

cant load in, it just goes back to the loading screen no matter if i go to the set or default home

[floral quiver]

Did anybodys VRChat not disconnect. But everyone freeze and audio like u disconnected

[vocal shard]

honestly you need to learn how to deal with bullies if you ever want to hold a good job or do anything IRL

[small wing]

!online

[floral flax]

There are 6517 users in VRChat currently

[rigid crescent]

its a group effort. we lag together or thrive together lol

[vocal shard]

vrchat's good learning experience

[golden horizon]

Only if you call me daddy one more time @small wing

[vocal shard]

on how to meme on people when they try to meme on you

[small wing]

@golden horizon okay mommy 😩

[rigid crescent]

👀

[golden horizon]

Ugh. The magic is gone now

[small wing]

Calculated.

[vocal shard]

yeah sounders like i noticed if you go to meetups where its experienced avatar makers or whatever the frames are usually down to like 15 with 30 of them in a room

cause they're used to being lazy and leaving their 20 mats on with their 700 skirt colliders

[rigid crescent]

yuppppp

[vocal shard]

and get away with it in pubs

[rigid crescent]

hit up shonzos world yet?

[golden horizon]

I hate that I have to render everyone on multiple floors in the pub.

[vocal shard]

i need to is that an avatar world i think i've seen them on people

[rigid crescent]

https://puu.sh/CkWUM/dadafeecad.png

yes

[vocal shard]

oh woah

[golden horizon]

Shonzo makes some good avatars

[rigid crescent]

no

was that sarcasm?

[vocal shard]

yeah they're nice avatars art wise

[still lark]

I hope it was

[small wing]

Would be a good feature for VRChat to implement their own occlusion volumes tbh.

[vocal shard]

it was the same with subcom wasn' tit

[golden horizon]

Art wise, exactly

[rigid crescent]

yup

[small wing]

Unity occlusion takes forever to bake sometimes

[golden horizon]

Amen Audio

[vocal shard]

i have my own opinion of littlemouse im not going to talk about but even if her avatars weren't my aesetic they were nice but

had the same problem

[rigid crescent]

artwise? most are unedited rips

[small wing]

I have opinions too lol

[floral quiver]

I guess vrchat has gone down. Cant load worlds

[shut star]

Servers are fucked

[vocal shard]

lol everyone who's met her does

[candid acorn]

Shonzo, isn't that the jiggly heaven guy

[rigid crescent]

or slight texture edits.

[small wing]

She stole content from 2 of my friends and sold it aftermarket.

[rigid crescent]

yeah him

[vocal shard]

yeah i'll say it then she's a bitch if you don't worship her she'll try to shit on you

i know the people who dcma'd her

[small wing]

I would say more, but its against the rules to hate speech in here so rip.

[vocal shard]

and it makes me reeeeeeeeeeeee when i see uploads of mmd models form deviantart with avatar world logos spinning above them

[small wing]

Oh trust me, i went to school for 3D modeling and it pains me too.

[vocal shard]

thats a grave sin in my book like wtf are you thinking doing that

[rigid crescent]

https://puu.sh/Cl8Q0/1f67eb8919.jpg lol

[median basalt]

@rigid crescent damn, I had a hunch Shonzo's stuff was unoptimized

Was hoping that world would break in 2017

[umbral reef]

@vocal shard If you know the owner of the mmd's just dm them about it
Get them to do an dmca claim (easy formats online for it) and giigle while there shit gets taken down

[vocal shard]

i might even do that

[rigid crescent]

report it

[small wing]

Although i forgot to boole my main model

[median basalt]

Why does it not surprise me that subcom turns out to be a hive of stolen content lmao

Their avatars look just like crasher avatars too

[safe prism]

.-.

[queen mango]

Yea.. try checking their avatars in the performance statistics

[rigid crescent]

hes been circumventing upload and tupper said theyre taking that more seriously

[queen mango]

It's pretty bad

[vocal shard]

i bet she uses the shaders from those giant crasher gang shader packs that kill draw cycles too

Damn...

[small wing]

frick now i gotta go to an appointment but i wanna roast mouse

sadbois

[candid acorn]

Most mmd authors have no legal ground to stand on considering they don't often own the original characters they base mmds on.

[median basalt]

Subcom has only 2 avatars in their new world, they are advertising the other unoptimized models and giving links to where you can get them

Is that allowed at all?

[small wing]

nope against the law

dmca

[queen mango]

Oof.. That's another update you missed, Jamie.

[candid acorn]

I'm pretty sure the law doesn't work that way...

[stray mesa]

I’m sure Flame is right

[floral aspen]

I noticed that as well Rokk

[candid acorn]

If I'm a mmd author, and I make a model of an anime character, I don't own that outside of basic fair use stuff.

[vocal shard]

its arguable if MMD author rules stand up in court cause they're tda derivaties (tda even said, don't use my models in anything other than vrchat and vrchat pretty much runs on TDA anime girls)

yeah like flame said

[umbral reef]

@candid acorn You dont own all rights but do own the basic fair use rights
That does not mean any person can steal that work of it though

[still lark]

@vocal shard Reword that please. :P

[vocal shard]

lol

[rigid crescent]

13 mats https://puu.sh/Cl8Vg/7543d5fd6b.jpg

[vocal shard]

"That puush could not be found."

[candid acorn]

See I take issue with that. Because many of these mmd authors are just petty that either
A. A gaijin is using it
Or
B. It is being used for vrchat, when they are fine distributing it for mmd

[queen mango]

Oh.. right. Your laptop

[rigid crescent]

https://puu.sh/Cl8Ww/2f2f3f3ea5.jpg

[vocal shard]

yeah i'll be honest i've used quite a few mmd models for frankeinsteins and stuff

japanese ones not for gaijins... deviantart don't upload ones...

[rigid crescent]

13....why

[vocal shard]

those avatars are from back in like january aren't they

[candid acorn]

Plenty of mmds I've seen. Freely downloadable, but with the "don't use outside of Japan" and/or "don't use for vrchat" bits in the description

[vocal shard]

i kinda give him a pass

that worlds historic

[umbral reef]

Dont almost all have that by now 😂

[vocal shard]

yeah the virgin killer foxgirl got taken down.... the kemonos got taken down you have to ask around for them now

that tokiko one

[still lark]

All but the last 2 seikis were taken down.

[median basalt]

I don't think anyone deserves a pass just for being an old world

[rigid crescent]

https://puu.sh/Cl8ZF/92650b30fc.jpg

[median basalt]

Just take the world down and tell him to fix it IMO

[rigid crescent]

his newest

[still lark]

It's still public, so the rules should be used against it.

[rigid crescent]

he has been avoiding reup since they started declining

[vocal shard]

9 colliders

[shut star]

Speaking of which i think my favourite thing is the MMD creator Filn. She took all her models down because people were editing them and using them for VRC yet if she actually credited the people properly that made the parts she used you could easily re-create specific models of hers given like 5-10 hours. Most of her models even use Len as a base XD.

I like her models but not her attitude.

[vocal shard]

yeah thats the thing they're using other peoples stuff... it's inconsiderate

[hollow tendon]

cool that i'm probably gonna get blocked for an avatar that has a single right that lists it as "unoptimized"

[vocal shard]

if i made mmd models for deviantart i'd put them under GNU or something

[candid acorn]

A lot of mmd authors are pretty pretentious. I can swallow custom models, but tda bases? Come on.

[rigid crescent]

yweah, mmders break just asmany rules as we do

[still lark]

I find that really funny about the MMD community, some creators do exactly what VRC people do and those people are like ewwugh VRC people are doing it!

[shut star]

Legit my GF created En which is a model of hers in 4 hours with nothing but stuff from devient art.

[hollow tendon]

and avatars that the sdk says are "poorly optimized" for no reason

[vocal shard]

will you get flagged as unoptimized for having 65k polys?

[rigid crescent]

jinomu is one of the few that i respect

[shut star]

@vocal shard No

[vocal shard]

nice

[umbral reef]

@hollow tendon you can find out why-

[hollow tendon]

yeah but i don't have the model anymore. so i don't have a choice but to keep it uploaded

[pliant prawn]

Was there ever a conclusion on how snail marker affects avatar rating?

[candid acorn]

Pretty sure negatively

[hollow tendon]

i just have the ring that is apparently the end of the world

[candid acorn]

Because it's a constantly active trail renderer

[vocal shard]

wait aw

[shut star]

Yea pretty bad

[vocal shard]

snails marker will put your score down?

[pliant prawn]

Does it have a genuine perf impact tho?

[shut star]

It affects bounds and well my rating is very poor

and no on the perf impact

[vocal shard]

mutes rise up and revolt

[shut star]

XD ^^

[hollow tendon]

and it looks like basic head swapping isn't allowed now unless you know how to use blender

[pliant prawn]

Kinda, yeah. My main is 1 mat, 4 bones, no colliders, everything in the green

[shut star]

You could do this in unity?

[safe prism]

isn't allowed

[shut star]

Headswapping

[pliant prawn]

But bounds in red from snail so lol fuck you very poor

[safe prism]

no one's stopping you

[candid acorn]

Consider this: you know on large maps how you look up and see trail markers up in space?
Yeah. That's how those work

[vocal shard]

even then blue don't be one of those guys you see with an extra standard shader body sprouting out of their head running around

lol

[hollow tendon]

lol what?

[tiny ginkgo]

Sounds like we need a screenshot of that

[shut star]

I always used blender for my models because if you put objects on your models like hats guns ect its gets laggy real quick

[pliant prawn]

@candid acorn I'm not sure what youre getting at

[vocal shard]

i dont got any pics of it but its the lazy way of headswapping where you have both bodies still in and the head's body is just tposing if you have the avatar shaders off in safety

[raven silo]

any with collider and dyanmic bone and cloth make it poor stats

[shut star]

Also I have a few screenshots of the snail thing in the sky

[vocal shard]

its funny to see

[shut star]

Yup like oh whats that its moving to

[candid acorn]

The way snail markers work, is by placing the trail extremely far away, and then snapping it to your finger when you use it

So it is basically always active

[pliant prawn]

Ah I see

[candid acorn]

And very far away

[vocal shard]

is there any other way to do it?

[raven silo]

trail use alot cpu to

[hollow tendon]

adding a head in unity has never dropped frames for anyone around me and now according to the sdk it's gonna melt someones pc

[shut star]

I don't like that it affects the rating. I have never heard anybody complain about snail markers in VRC and I have been playing since January

[candid acorn]

Which may or may not affect bounds

[raven silo]

anything make alot work cpu have poor rating lol

[candid acorn]

But does count as a trail source which puts you down

[vocal shard]

blue i've seen people get really autistic over having multiple skinned mesh renderers

i'd still do it with guns though anyway but it uses up extra drawcalls

[candid acorn]

Well, I don't think most people care about props. The issue is when it's stuff like "oh my avatar is 67k with 5 meshes at all times"

Like, actually, a lot of Japanese avatars

[vocal shard]

yeah like me and sounders said earlier its a group effort

[candid acorn]

The kind you can buy on booth are not optimized

[hollow tendon]

i can understand optimization needs to be a thing but for anyone like me whodoesn't know how to use blender this is completely stopping anything i was doing

[vocal shard]

it'll be fine if you're running around in the pug with 5 skinned meshes but get a bunch of you in a room and ohg od 15 frames i wanna puke

@hollow tendon avatar editing is a super good way to get into blender, it's not like you're making worlds from scratch or anything.. and it introduces you enough

[raven silo]

cat plugin make it easier

[vocal shard]

you might even start wanting to learn the rest of blender. it looks scary but it's really as simple as it can be for what it does blenders a good program

[hollow tendon]

so now untill i learn blender for 20 hours i can't make anything

[pliant prawn]

Is there on optimized way to use snail or any kind of marker with an avatar then? Or do mutes just take the big D?

[hollow tendon]

or even optimize the ones i already have

[candid acorn]

Well this all boils back down to the basic breakdown of the ranking system should at least be an average, or at best, be much more lenient on shit like polycount

[vocal shard]

nah just follow a tutorial with your own avatar and copy what they're doing

[umbral reef]

its 20 button presses and tada fairly optimized

[vocal shard]

you'll get it in no time

[shut star]

I remember doing models for 6 months at first then eventually I decided to make worlds and I was already familiar with blender and unity

[raven silo]

perfect avatar are mimiuem 4 material 1 skin mesh

[vocal shard]

frankensteining is the easiest thing ever

[candid acorn]

You can have a 1 mat, 1 mesh, no dyn bones, on all counts optimized model, but it's 70k poly so you'll get poor or very poor.

[vocal shard]

as soon as you get a few thing sdown like selecting mesh by materials, using c for cursor select all that

[hollow tendon]

i can't realy follow a tutorial on weight painting when every model is differant

[vocal shard]

if you go up to 70k polys you're messing up though anyway

[raven silo]

weight paint it skill need to learn take time to master it

[vocal shard]

you don't have to weight paint until you get into a weird scuff or whatever

Hello

i mostly just prawl around deviantart for models and splice them they're already weight painted

[ruby needle]

@candid acorn no 70k goes up to good.

[vocal shard]

i dont really have to touch that part of blender a lot until i find something i screwed up or th emmd author scuffed

[hollow tendon]

yeah but i cant really go in and slap a head on something like in unity though

[raven silo]

you have to change weight on skirt to limit of 4 bone

[vocal shard]

how do you even do that in unity

[raven silo]

make sure weight paint on leg correctly

[candid acorn]

I mean, they are updating the limit to that. But the point is that polycount isn't that big a deal performancewise until you get to absurd numbers.

[ruby needle]

but you cant expect to get the best ranking if you dont care and try your best EVERYWHERE

[vocal shard]

guys trick with skirts is dynamic bones on the side and weight paint on front and back maybe one bone or something front and back

that's the advice i got given by 4chan vrchat autists

[candid acorn]

It shouldn't be such a hard breakpoint on performance ranking when the devs themselves say it isn't as big a deal as stuff like ik and bones

[vocal shard]

and they know what they're talking about

Hmmm

[ruby needle]

its more then fair and very good leaves still more then bofore with uo to 32k

[umbral reef]

Fpauk entertain me im bored

[hollow tendon]

so even though the raised the poly count averything needs to basically look like garbage to get the greenlight to upload

[vocal shard]

it doesn't have to look like garbage

[ruby needle]

"isn't as bad as" mean not nothing and for the very best rank it's more then fair.

[vocal shard]

Not true at all blue

even the most beautiful avatar with high res textures and stuff can be optimized

[rigid crescent]

ovr 70k, flame

[vocal shard]

optimizing is being considerate to other players

[raven silo]

@hollow tendon they dont stop upload

it just give red star if it poor

[rigid crescent]

its a community effort, yes

[vocal shard]

Like people are considerate these days...

not optimizing is like not showering yeah you can do it you wont get arrested but people are going to smell you

[ruby needle]

only the 70k poly limit stops and thats more then thre times what it was before.

[vocal shard]

@cold saddle you got sattelite internet?

[rigid crescent]

some people are. i use an optimized in pubs

[vocal shard]

or high ping?

[raven silo]

higher ploygon effect your score to

[ruby needle]

and anyone should be able to reach 70k without it looking crap

[vocal shard]

huh

I don’t use my main avatar in public because of theft

photon is dc'ing people for high ping now and it does that

[ruby needle]

@raven silo yes over 32k means no more very good but that is correct.

[rigid crescent]

its not farm internet, i have 70ping and get looped

[vocal shard]

colo its harder to get your avatar stolen in public than in private imo

cause they have to look through a list of every avatar the game loaded that isn't even labeled

Well private worlds it would be people I know and trust

and when they take it they lose the shapekeys... also if you click the security feature in CATS

[hollow tendon]

also literally anything of mine with dynamic bones is now unusable because of the new limit

[vocal shard]

they can't take it unless we're talking the modified clients

[dark narwhal]

theft isnt really an issue anymore pretty much got patched out

[candid acorn]

What limit

[vocal shard]

but even then thats not permanent you can get them banned easy

[umbral reef]

How is it unusable? Fairly sure you can still use it

[hallow trout]

so this is a constant issue im getting with vrchat right now https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/513159136352010240/525701872024158238/unknown.png

[vocal shard]

Ahh well I still kinda don’t trust it at times you know

yeah the only way you can thief you lose the shapekeys (heh ryhmed) and anybody who's lazy enough to thieve probably can't make shapekeys

[hollow tendon]

too many bones between the dress and hair

[vocal shard]

Even if it is safer

You can still get good score with dynamic bones...

[candid acorn]

Thing about theft lately, was it was basically people abusing the cloning feature on hacked clients before there was an option to disable cloning in live

[analog canopy]

Anyone know how cloth physics get seen with the optimization system, if at all?

[still lark]

@hallow trout Only when closing or all the time?

[dark narwhal]

I dont even think ill shoot for a great score just above poor

[hallow trout]

every 10mins are so

[raven silo]

@vocal shard only get banned if doing malicious

[rigid crescent]

poorly, whisper

[vocal shard]

yeah colo just make sure you click that security feature or whateve rits called in CATS

yeah yeah

[hollow tendon]

i'm not saying its impossible. it's just that for people like me who aren't great and everything in vrc its the end

[candid acorn]

Pretty sure cloth physics are probably ranked worse than bones because they require separate meshes

[vocal shard]

I don’t really care about the stupid score thing anyway

[rigid crescent]

"the end" how

[vocal shard]

you can have pretty much unthieveable avatars now unless the person puts enough effort to shfit though a bunch of random meshes in ninjaripper

[analog canopy]

One separate mesh to be fair, still funny how poorly rated the default avatars are though

[median basalt]

@candid acorn nah, they already count meshes

[candid acorn]

They can't steal your avatar if you set it to cloneable :^)

[rigid crescent]

look up guides, or just ignore the rank

[hollow tendon]

i don't have much time to pour into learning all the ins and outs of blender. it took me almost a year to get to where i am in unity

[raven silo]

@candid acorn dont want people take sent it private

[vocal shard]

@vocal shard yeah in CATS click copy protection

your stuff's safe trust me even in public nowadays if you do that

[dark narwhal]

Flame was makin a joke lol

[burnt frigate]

is there a tutorial for adding seats?

[rigid crescent]

then dont learn i guess? following guides is simple

[vocal shard]

I don’t like to use my avatar in public because people are mean

That’s another reason

yeah yeah i've seen it

[dark narwhal]

Is it a furry?

[vocal shard]

Yes

[candid acorn]

🤔

[vocal shard]

furries are fun as fuck tho and nice from what i've seen when they've shown up around me

[rigid crescent]

damn

[candid acorn]

Hmmm

[dark narwhal]

Yeah i could see that

[vocal shard]

@vocal shard awww that’s great

[still lark]

I just can't shake the cringe. lol

[rigid crescent]

furries in vrc are some of the most tolerable onrs ive ever met

[vocal shard]

Seee^^

[dark narwhal]

People just hate furries from preconceived notions

[vocal shard]

furries know how to party

[rigid crescent]

i wish they dodnt get shit on

[vocal shard]

I wish people would just leave us alone like who care what someone is into let them be them

[tough girder]

Good day is Vrchat having a server issue

[rigid crescent]

mostly just memes that turn into bullying, like gingers

[vocal shard]

@tough girder you got satellite internet?

[rigid crescent]

yeah alaska

[dark narwhal]

Poor gingers

[vocal shard]

Wait

What about Alaska

https://vrchat.canny.io/bug-reports/p/cant-even-login-now-201844

[tiny ginkgo]

You're absolutely right @vocal shard

[lapis nebula]

Could be worse, a Ginger Furry

[vocal shard]

upvote this as hard as you can

[rigid crescent]

"Furries are the gingers of the internet"

[candid acorn]

I know a furry in my friend group. We bully him all the time. But he's chill. It's mostly meme ribbing. Like "don't make me get the spray gun"

[vocal shard]

That’s rude

it really depends if its bantz like the tone

[rigid crescent]

i mean if its your friend its different

[vocal shard]

not necissarily bullying like i've seen it cause i was around truckers

you can tell if its someone trying to bully you or just take the piss out of you

If it’s your “friend” wow

[rigid crescent]

uhhh

[candid acorn]

Honestly he generally hangs with us to escape the furry community. So take that as you will

[lapis nebula]

look, you think you have problems being a furry or a ginger, try being a creepy fat guy with a t-shirt offering Loli's free rides, oh, erm, hang on, that's me

[vocal shard]

Sorry

[candid acorn]

It's mostly bantz

[dark narwhal]

I judge people by their panties...is yhat an issue?

[rigid crescent]

my friends all clown on eachothr lol

[vocal shard]

yeah when he says the spraybottle thing he wants his friend to continue the joke not like feel bad

[rigid crescent]

its in good fun, never serious

[rough pulsar]

Context is everything. We give a friend who uses a furry avatar endless shit about it, but we all know it's a joke.

[tiny ginkgo]

Hehe. Don't worry about it Colo. People can banter in friend groups.

[safe prism]

pantsu game is REALLY important

[dark narwhal]

Lel

[rigid crescent]

id never say that to a stranger, out of context

[dark narwhal]

No pantsu

[vocal shard]

when i was in trucker training someone made a joke that i was going to go home and jack off and i ran with it and everyone liked me more for it but i could tell it was memeing, another guy there would actually try to fuck with me and i could feel it; its different

Well try telling that to some others @rigid crescent

[candid acorn]

I pull out my Watergun avatar and spray him with it. He takes it all in good fun

[safe prism]

omgcutepanties as an online handle isn't just a quip

[vocal shard]

@tiny ginkgo you right:3

[modern sand]

#general-media ty

[vocal shard]

if you ever want to have any sort of high paying job around guys you have to learn how to bantz or you will be labeled an outsider

[rigid crescent]

i mean

[vocal shard]

its just life

Umm I have a great job

The fuck

ive only worked shit jobs and jobs around masculine guys i hated it but

[modern sand]

#general-media asking twice

[vocal shard]

I work at a hospital

[tough girder]

Hoe they can fix this shit

[vocal shard]

theres a certain way of interacting with dudes that involves being witty and ready to bantz back

oh true rubick

[candid acorn]

Or at least being able to take bantz

Not everyone is good at it, but having a sense of humor about it is important

[vocal shard]

If someone is going to try and start shit with me in person I’ll definitely defend my self haha

vrchats a good place to learn it

see on topic lel

Just because I’m a furry don’t mean I’m some weak ass person

[raven silo]

https://vrchat.canny.io/feature-requests/p/rewarding-avatars-that-use-optimization

people want this we got it lol

[vocal shard]

people are apes in a certain way they're more than that but a lot of the behavior is based on social stuff; its not evil just the way it is they just want to know that you're competant enough to protect the group if a lion storms through or something and that you aren't going to get angry and lose your stuff if there's pressure on you anyway we should go to random if we ant to talk about this

[rigid crescent]

LOL JAZ

[vocal shard]

@rigid crescent Gingers don’t have souls LUL

Anyone else here getting a loading loop?

yes

[woven steppe]

sometimes

[vocal shard]

Hey VR Pill, how you doing?

[candid acorn]

Like infinite loading screen?

[rigid crescent]

nice meme pill

[woven steppe]

not in the last 3 hours tho

[rigid crescent]

lol i am

[vocal shard]

Doing well thanks. Yeah sometimes as well here

The severs are having problems don’t even try right now

[floral quiver]

Sometimes

[woven steppe]

So I guess mine's fixed itself

[vocal shard]

i'll try again now

That’s something off my bucket list I guess

[raven silo]

yea that bug was in open beta

[vocal shard]

Convenient timing

i have satellite internet so https://vrchat.canny.io/bug-reports/p/cant-even-login-now-201844 <- i think mine is this

[rigid crescent]

i just got it. as we speak

[vocal shard]

Will make status post in a few

[raven silo]

need force self logout in app file

[candid acorn]

Because infinite loading screens are a problem I've encountered before but find impossible and too unpredictable to replicate

[raven silo]

basic delete the save for login

[vocal shard]

@raven silo fix??

where where where

appdata?

[rigid crescent]

pillll join on me, thr avatar scan still busted

[woven steppe]

This is amusing

[vocal shard]

I tried 7 times got in then a few minutes latter everything was freezing over and over then it crashed @vocal shard

[woven steppe]

VRChat is literally giving me positive feedback the less clothes I activate on my avatar...

[candid acorn]

🤔

[vocal shard]

yep still looping

[candid acorn]

Makes you think.

[warm turtle]

your telling me you don't have one mesh 🤔

[vocal shard]

i might go obs this and upload it

[woven steppe]

I can hit good rating... but my avatar ends up NSFW

[dark narwhal]

Lol

[woven steppe]

but that's the good thing of having an avatar that can undress and redress

[vocal shard]

Neos VR

[candid acorn]

Silly bladewild, do you glue your clothes to your skin? 🙃

[woven steppe]

in different clothes

Fully clothed very poor

[floral quiver]

Im not getti g login loop but i am randomly disconnecting. It will be fine then everyone will freeze in the room U can hear them and Ping is fine 189 to 224 like usual. And then disconnects

[vocal shard]

you can shapekey that cant you

[woven steppe]

swimsuit... medium...

[tiny ginkgo]

Vrchat really does mirror real life

[dark narwhal]

Hotglue does wonders

[candid acorn]

I think the answer is to just run around naked. I approve of this course of action

[dark narwhal]

No panties???

[woven steppe]

you could shapekey clothes changing if you put them on a gesture but I prefer to put mine in the emote slots (which I never use for anything)

[vocal shard]

ah true

[candid acorn]

And you can't say anything because very good status :^)

[floral aspen]

awww man, I missed VRPill
Haven't seen him in forever

[candid acorn]

The moral dillemas

[woven steppe]

I didn't go full nude tho

[vocal shard]

lol tidus

[candid acorn]

Aww

[woven steppe]

I do still have pantsu and bandaids on the nips

but good rating

[dark narwhal]

He may still be here WATCHING

[vocal shard]

Can’t wait till the teslasuit is out fully

[woven steppe]

very green

If you know what I mean

[pliant prawn]

@woven steppe my friend thank you, I never thought to use emotes for that

[candid acorn]

👌

[vocal shard]

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/4c/4e/a5/4c4ea5db2fd9745848a2e769a0f878c8.gif

best tidus meme

[woven steppe]

My gestures are filled with flight controls, facial emotes and the intangibility so I couldn't really put my clothes changing there

[vocal shard]

how do you make the gestures stick after the animation's over?

i mean, emotes

[dark narwhal]

U dont

[woven steppe]

need to change some bit of code in the animation

open it with visual studios

[dark narwhal]

Wait thats a thing?

[candid acorn]

Theres workarounds for it.

Legacy animations were one way people were doing it

[woven steppe]

Of course it's a thing... what do you think I'm using?

[vocal shard]

huh

open the .anim?

[woven steppe]

yeah... rip legacy

many old avatars of mine ded

[candid acorn]

Now I think there's a specific add on I think

[vocal shard]

i've heard of people using their emote list to switch between sets of gestures

[dark narwhal]

Nani i need this in my life

[candid acorn]

I've seen people use emotes to place a world prop

[woven steppe]

basically it's some complex roundabout process...

should be a tutorial here or there but I sort of just derped around on my own to figure it out

Requires multiple meshes tho

[dark narwhal]

Boi im made of meshes

[still lark]

There's a nice editor script made by Xiexe for making Inventories.
https://github.com/Xiexe/VRCInventorySystem
Possible to do different clothes with it too.

[woven steppe]

which should technically reduce your optimization rating... but If I load my avatar without clothes on... I count as good... then I just put clothes on afterwards lol

[vocal shard]

is it true if you want to hvae two avatars under the same "avatar" you have to use rigid bodies and move it like a puppet

[woven steppe]

the rating sometimes updates... on the fly... sometimes it doesn't... I don't really get it at the moment

[dark narwhal]

Just gonna have my avatar derender by default except 1 poly

[woven steppe]

but generally... if it cooperates I could selectively change my avatar's optimization rating

from good... medium and very poor... can't go poor unfortunately

nor very good

I need animators for this shit

[dark narwhal]

Ima try for medium

The people need a middle man

[woven steppe]

I have also solved my pen problem

a few hours ago my pen would instantly turn me to very poor but using the same system I fixed it

[still lark]

I'm going to die if you use derender one more time.

[pliant prawn]

Please elaborate

[woven steppe]

http://prntscr.com/lxzlfp
Swimsuit on... without writing anything with my pen yet

http://prntscr.com/lxzlpb
Pen used and deactivated

[raven silo]

@woven steppe it just bounder box

[woven steppe]

yep

[pliant prawn]

So what's your fix then?

[woven steppe]

I fixed it by uploading with the pen disabled... (like the actual game object that's the pen, not just the trail renderer) and then have every single animation on my avatar set it to active.

[dark narwhal]

Ohh thats the stats menu. Thats cool

[woven steppe]

There's probably more elegant solutions but I've not found it yet

[dark narwhal]

I would say make it active in your idle but when i try stuff like that i sometimes messes with my model

[woven steppe]

I've got it active on idle as well since idle counts within "every single animation on my avatar"

http://prntscr.com/lxznej

On NSFW mode

[dark narwhal]

Ok thats what i did for a pen on one of my models i think

[woven steppe]

Basically I will not kill the frames of those who I decide to spend lood times with...

[umbral reef]

[knotty smelt]

Anyone know how to show the new playlists. I just have a blank page titled playlists

[woven steppe]

"Oh you want me fully clothed?" *puts on halterneck and skirt.... Boom Very poor

[dark narwhal]

[woven steppe]

In my case at least (not sure how common this is) VRC is giving me positive feedback for having less clothing on... Unfortunate

[umbral reef]

Is that bad 👀 ?

[woven steppe]

Coz I'd get blocked when I'm fully clothed for being rated very poor... and I'd get blocked when rated good for being NSFW

[vocal shard]

@woven steppe that's how the snail marker works, it creates a huge box with an animator so the writing doesn't get culled

[pliant prawn]

You're doing God's work

[vocal shard]

everybody with a marker has that 'problem'

😐

[pliant prawn]

So what's the actual performance hit of the snail marker?

[woven steppe]

My avatar's in a weird position... and I still haven't even implemented my BDSM kit

[vocal shard]

it's just a trailrenderer, comparable to a simple particle sys

[astral pollen]

Can we have the favorite bar back for worldz>.>

[vocal shard]

the penalty is for the bounds of your avatar, not the marker

[median basalt]

Are you sure the purpose of the marker being far away is so it won't get culled?

[vocal shard]

they think you have a world sized avatar

[median basalt]

I thought it was so you could stop writing without the writing disappearing

[pliant prawn]

So is it a legit reason to nuke an avatar's perf rating then?

[vocal shard]

yes, that's how snail explained it

[knotty smelt]

@astral pollen we have playlists now but I cant get them to work either

[vocal shard]

and yes, when you lift the pen it becomes invisible because it travels at high speed

[woven steppe]

When your boundery is very large that means you're always rendered by anyone viewing a part of your avatar's "boundery" correct?

[unkempt cliff]

Has anyone experienced their descriptors seeming to be pushed forward in-game? For some reason, despite my descriptors being in the middle of my eyes, the sphere being a bit submerged with the surface of the face, if I put my fingers which are human sized near my face, I can see the inside of them. This never happened before from what I could notice as I could never even get my hands that close to my face because of the headset. Yes this is a repost from last night but the conversation went too fast and I don't think anyone replied. Thanks in advanced for any helpful replies.

[floral aspen]

thats right ACH

[woven steppe]

So I'm not surprised a big boundery is penalized

[vocal shard]

@unkempt cliff did you switch to oculus ver

[unkempt cliff]

Yes

[vocal shard]

@woven steppe you will always be considered to be rendered, you will be culled by other objects etc though, so no

ive heard weird stuff like that happening with the oculus version

in a completely empty world, yes

[unkempt cliff]

Damn, that sucks. I like the oculus version, I don't have to have steamvr open but this is kinda bothering me lol

[vocal shard]

@median basalt the purpose is unity culling particle systems it deems least important, with the bounding box like that it probably will cull other particles sooner

afaik

[dark narwhal]

I have to use steam cause sound doesnt work when i try occulus version

[vocal shard]

Tfw I'm too lazy to switch to the Oculus version even though I have an Oculus.

[dark narwhal]

Its faster using oculus

Cause u dont have to set up steam vr

[vocal shard]

If you use the oculus dash a lot while in game, I recommend staying with the steam version.

[signal thunder]

what raises the skinned mesh count on so many peoples avatars?

[uncut gyro]

motherf*king perfect

that new stuff just broke all of my avatars

even dynamic bone script

[cinder totem]

Bird, isnt that just when they dont merge their meshes and are skinning them all with materials? Or do I misunderstand that terms meaning

[signal thunder]

idk lol thats why im asking but maybe that is why

i dont have the issue but like most avatars that im seeing in public worlds that come from avatar worlds have that bringing their avatar rank down

[woven steppe]

unmerged meshes... yaes

[signal thunder]

well that and a shit ton of materials

[rough pulsar]

@signal thunder It's just people not joining their meshes for whatever reason.
And the fact that 99% of MMDs use ridiculous amounts of materials, even for the same textures & shaders because why

[signal thunder]

its like people dont use cats

[vocal shard]

But cats are cool. They roll around and are dumb

[signal thunder]

lol

[woven steppe]

@still lark That inventory thing makes doing what I spent two weeks pulling hair out trying to make work so much easier. TY for showing me this

I don't actually use Cats much

[still lark]

Happy to help.

[rough pulsar]

I've seen MMDs with about 5 textures and the upside of 20 materials, where half of those are basically duplicates. And are actually applied to the model.
I imagine part of it is due to how some MMDs are modular in terms of outfits & accessories and also due to them not needing to be rendered in under 11ms at a fairly low resolution.

[woven steppe]

Possibly the only feature I use cats for is eye tracking... that's it

[still lark]

MMD models actually have a crap tonne of materials, it's just CATS combines the same texture ones.

[signal thunder]

damn, yeah cause anime avatars should be the most optimized avatars if people just combine their damn meshes and materials

literally like 2 or 3 clicks in cats now it blows my mind so many of these are from avatar worlds

[rough pulsar]

They should be, and often even those with combined meshes & materials will still be classes as poor or lower because having 90 dynamic bones is 150% essential and cannot be reduced ever because reasons

[woven steppe]

Atlas stuff.. actually a therapeutic thing to do

I find playing with UV very fun

[cinder totem]

A nicely atlased materials list...oh what a happy sight =v=

[tawny elk]

I saw someone with 150 meshes

[cinder totem]

How the...why

[ivory lantern]

Is the game still running into issues while logging in?

[meager solstice]

I believe so

[woven steppe]

especially the part where you put some seams about and make a new form to the uv because the one it came with doesn't make any sense

[tawny elk]

It was the little things on their clothes adding meshes

[stone current]

i usd 2 hav models with 80k poly and 5 dynamic bone and 4 material but still more optimized

[woven steppe]

because there's 5 dynamic bones lol

[stone current]

yeet

[woven steppe]

not 250

[rough pulsar]

If all your textures are the same size (or close) a texture array also works nicely, assuming you can make a shader to handle it.

[tawny elk]

It was like 128k and 150 meshes or something

[cinder totem]

And 50 colliders :p

[woven steppe]

I actually do have 50 colliders

but they're all disabled

[ruby needle]

what

[cinder totem]

[stone current]

poly limit is joke tho

[woven steppe]

I'm too lazy to upload many avatars so I strive to put everything in ONE avatar

[stone current]

wat lol

[woven steppe]

Perhaps the only thing I've not done yet is have multiple hairstyles in one avatar

[tawny elk]

Would be a lot of dynamic bones

[woven steppe]

Can't have dynamic bones if you don't have the asset

That used to be my story when I first started

[vocal shard]

I saw a dynamic bone on an avatar's waist last night and regret seeing it.

[tawny elk]

My hand needs a dynamic bone

[cinder totem]

Brb gonna make hair with each individual strand having a bone chain and dynamic bone that. All your frames belong to me.

[tawny elk]

Every strand needs to be its own mesh

[cinder totem]

No, wait, better idea...cloth physics the hair

[woven steppe]

That's what I do

[dark narwhal]

Cloth on my entire body

[tawny elk]

Very poor everywhere

[covert linden]

Cloth mesh tongue

[woven steppe]

to simulate hair physics of certain hairstyles I find cloth to do it better than dynamic bones

[true sky]

^

[covert linden]

My first model actually was rated good im so proud

[woven steppe]

Dynamic bone hair just reacts too slowly

[tawny elk]

My first model was rated excellent

[dark narwhal]

Tongue with 6 types of lighting effects

[covert linden]

I mean I didnt optimize it at all

[signal thunder]

my main avatar is excellent only because i removed extra bones i wasnt using

[tawny elk]

The rest of them are medium or poor

[woven steppe]

the worse part of dynamic bones for hair or clothing is the fact that the more you add the smoother it looks... but the slower each bone reacts to movement...

[covert linden]

Shoulld I add cloth physics to my skirt then what

[vocal shard]

My avatar is the best because it's literally a low poly model from a 2000 game.

[covert linden]

I have like 10 dynamic bones moving on thr skirt

@vocal shard My other one before rhe update is the same, old game model so its only 9k polys

[tawny elk]

Mine had 19k and it was probably the crappiest rig I've seen

[vocal shard]

Low poly squad.

[woven steppe]

If you know how to set it up... you could make a really convincing skirt with cloth physics

[covert linden]

My current loli avatar has 60k tries

I definately dont know how to set it up

[polar bone]

So when are we getting the 70 k tri limit

[covert linden]

Yesterday

[woven steppe]

yesterday

[vocal shard]

Yesterday

[woven steppe]

read announcements plox

[fringe glade]

how 2 optimize ya yeet https://niyah.eu/i/65157.png

[covert linden]

Omg so much colliders

[fringe glade]

actually there is 7 colliders :^)

[covert linden]

Thats still a lot

[fringe glade]

But yeah, radius on each bones to make it collide.

[woven steppe]

http://prntscr.com/lxznej

[fringe glade]

Not really, I don't want my tail to travel my body or my hair to do the same, same goes with the skirt.

[signal thunder]

just heard some people in a pug with obvious crash avatars complaining about people being able to clone them. i guess most of these avatars are public and shared with people? they wouldnt slip through the cracks on public avatar worlds would they?

[woven steppe]

I only use dynamic bones on my tail

[polar bone]

So this whole time mods didn't give any shits if you modified the sdk poly limit

[vocal shard]

You're gonna collide with other people's opinions there, buddy.

[fringe glade]

ikr

[woven steppe]

One doesn't even need to modify the sdk to upload an avatar above 20k before

[vocal shard]

Using a crash avatar on a crasher

Mortal combat

[polar bone]

So what are your guy's opinions on avatar copying

[signal thunder]

i think it's fine and there shouldnt be an option to turn it off

[polar bone]

I think it's fine, but it should be on a case by case basis not a toggle

[vocal shard]

MOORTALLLL KOMMMMBATTTTTT

[dark narwhal]

The thought of copying a crashers avatar and accidentally crashing the crasher...

I wouldnt feel bad

[polar bone]

Like it shows a notification that someone wants to copy and you let them or deny it

[vocal shard]

That I enjoy salt from people saying you stole their stuff even though it's from a copyrighted game.

[signal thunder]

if you mark it public that should be the only check for if you can clone it tbh

[polar bone]

Nobody ever makes anything original

[signal thunder]

otherwise mark it private

[vocal shard]

Now that’s an over exaggeration Mr. Doon

[polar bone]

what if you have a private world that only your friends go to and get avatars

Yeah it is

[vocal shard]

Neato

[cinder totem]

Then disable avatar copying off of you from the menu

[vocal shard]

You can disable it from the settings menu

[polar bone]

Yeah I know I was talking to bird

[storm estuary]

So in the last few days i have experienced my account jump between a "Trusted rank" status, and "Known User" status. What the hell is happening? One second i am trusted, the other i am known user again. Its as if the game cant decide if it should promote me or not???

[vocal shard]

So that people can’t even copy you

[signal thunder]

thats what crashers do apparently, thats why it should be allowed. so all the kids who have access to those worlds are deterred by having to actually do something

[fringe glade]

hahahaha

[vocal shard]

So there is an option to disable avatar copying so that people can’t copy ya avatar

[fringe glade]

No, it should be disabled per default.

[woven steppe]

Hey... I personally make my own props... taking partial advantage of my engineering past...

[fringe glade]

I have a friends who does avatar and upload them as public but in a private world
and this stuff allow others people to copy avatar from a private world being favorited

It is actually straigh up retarded, change my mind.

[polar bone]

My opinion is that there avatar owner must click yes for each person who wants to copy

[fringe glade]

^ that.

[polar bone]

@fringe glade I agree

[dark narwhal]

Thats a neat idea Doon

[signal thunder]

imagine getting spammed that much though

[fringe glade]

This idea have been on the canny since the first day we heard about it. They pushed the update anyways.

[polar bone]

Like it pops up a notification saying "____ wants to copy, yes no'

[signal thunder]

i guess they could set it to reject all requests

[vocal shard]

i think they broke favorite avatar because its not working anymore

[atomic tusk]

my god people are so lazy about merging their materials

[dark narwhal]

I could just appear like a normal notification

Like an invite

[polar bone]

Yep

[signal thunder]

IKR @atomic tusk being in the pug and seeing all these unmerged meshes and materials made me sick lol

[woven steppe]

I am grateful of not being affected by many of the problems that seem to be running rampant with the new update

[fast dawn]

and there could be a cooldown on sending clone requests

[dark narwhal]

Reject all requests would just be non cloneable

[signal thunder]

especially on these avatars that definitely dont need them

[polar bone]

It only takes two clicks in blender

Why don't people do it

[woven steppe]

The only bad experience I've had in the new patch is some connection issues

[vocal shard]

Two many clicks

[woven steppe]

but that's fixed itself 4 hours ago

[signal thunder]

what im wondering is how these avatar worlds got published with such shitty avatars

i thought avatars were taken into consideration in the world review

[atomic tusk]

and they wanted to pin the all the blame on dynamic bones :X

[polar bone]

I mean I'm kinda guilty too, some of my avatars have 2 meshes and 4 materials when it could be 1 mesh and 2 materials

[signal thunder]

dynamic bones are actually laggy af though

[atomic tusk]

all my base avatars have one mesh one material outside of animations

not as much as when you got people running about with 30 materials

[signal thunder]

maybe not looking at one person but when the whole room has dynamic bones

[atomic tusk]

GAH

[signal thunder]

oh yeah the material thing for sure

[pseudo bobcat]

[polar bone]

Yeah like it's fine to maybe have one or two extra materials but I've seen worlds get denied with avatar in the 140+ range of materials

[vocal shard]

Need ultra detailed panties

[woven steppe]

So anyone else have an avatar that can selectively change their performance rating?

[cinder totem]

I need a different material for each individual poly

[polar bone]

No

[dark narwhal]

4k panties

[signal thunder]

im only talking about the public avatars that have like 14 materials and unmerged meshes, like 4-5 materials i dont think is a big deal

[fringe glade]

8k textures ez

[polar bone]

Dynamic Cloth 100 materials 4k animated panties

[signal thunder]

lol

[dark narwhal]

Now im excited

[pseudo bobcat]

i saw an anime with 800k polygons and another with 700+ dynamic bones last night

[polar bone]

What

[signal thunder]

good god

[dark narwhal]

They aignt cute if they dont lag u

[fringe glade]

Talking about 8k textures, time to crunch compress mine.

[signal thunder]

that anime better be kawaii af

[vocal shard]

Inb4 someone uses those 8k panties on a loli

[polar bone]

*actually is Ugandan

[dark narwhal]

I could put a video shader on my panties

[vocal shard]

Ufxifxcti

Phone

[polar bone]

Can shaders lag you?

[signal thunder]

yeah

[woven steppe]

Just use bandaids

[dark narwhal]

hahahahaha yes

[signal thunder]

tesselation

[woven steppe]

I use them

[fringe glade]

shader are litteraly a way to crash people. lul

[dark narwhal]

Nah tess isnt really that bad

[polar bone]

But what about a normal shader

[fringe glade]

@dark narwhal bet ?

[cinder totem]

Shaders can definitely lag....those fur shaders shudder

[polar bone]

I have a shader that I stole from shader toy that renders a 3d fractal

[dark narwhal]

Tess is only really bad when applied to many meshes

[still lark]

XSFur is pretty good for performance fur shader. 😏

[woven steppe]

just make fur out of polygons

[fringe glade]

300k poly we go

[dark narwhal]

Something like itterations in a shader is worse

[tidal aspen]

Tessellation is bad if it's set too high

[signal thunder]

which is usually the case

[polar bone]

Have you guys ever seen "gangs"? Imagine being so dumb that in your in a gang for vrchat

[dark narwhal]

Lel

Too soon

Jk

[vocal shard]

gangs? like Westside Story?

[atomic tusk]

started blocking avatars with over 20 materials and I gained like 10 fps

[floral aspen]

I've heard of them, never seen any in game though

[vocal shard]

lol

[opaque hawk]

I’m not in a gang, but I am in a VRChat cult

[polar bone]

[vocal shard]

what do gangs do? have pat offs with other gangs?

[woven steppe]

a gang? you mean just a group of friends?

[signal thunder]

lol

bloods and crips rejects come to vrchat for a new life

[tidal aspen]

fear our epic crasher gang with our EPIC prefab crashers 😎

[polar bone]

So I'm technically in one, because I'm in their discord. They get so riled up when someone steals their signature shader even though it took me like 5 minutes to recreate it but better

[subtle prawn]

[woven steppe]

I was expecting gangs to do something like ask you to pay protection money or something

[signal thunder]

well it's a good thing you said that in the public chat on a discord theyre probably all on mr doon

[polar bone]

It's literally just a screen space shader with colored alternating lines

[signal thunder]

gangs are just an rp thing

[subtle prawn]

Not when they take things serious

[signal thunder]

i want to see some thing really make an impact like... like a vr religion

[polar bone]

praise cirno

Tupper will be our leader

[woven steppe]

not bloody likely

[signal thunder]

a vr cult

[polar bone]

was Ugandan knuckles technically a cult?

[opaque hawk]

Nah

[signal thunder]

idk theres elements to a cult they have to have

[woven steppe]

popular avatar a cult?

[signal thunder]

there needs to be symbols and strict ritual, memorization of some kind of catechism

and it needs to be something you like really believe

[woven steppe]

cult of Tda bases

[vocal shard]

the cult of nepstack totems

[polar bone]

Are you guys ready for it to come back on January 1st

[woven steppe]

I don't mind

[signal thunder]

ill take knuckles over crashers any day

bring them back in masses i say

[polar bone]

I'm gonna embrace it for a day

[opaque hawk]

Kind of actually, yes

[polar bone]

just for one day it will be funny

seeing all the creative ones people make now that all the people that joined because of the meme know how to make avatars

[opaque hawk]

The entire community comes together with their ironic knuckles avatars

[vocal shard]

Akalink, were you the one on in the pug last night doing hide and seek or whatever it's called?

[opaque hawk]

That was me

[vocal shard]

Wowie

[polar bone]

now kiss

[opaque hawk]

It’s called sardines

[vocal shard]

Yeeee

[opaque hawk]

Smooch

[vocal shard]

😘
That was fun.

[opaque hawk]

It was very fun

[vocal shard]

I was one of the Medabots.

[polar bone]

so does anyone here know more than basic modeling in blender

[floral aspen]

you probably won't find anyone with that knowledge in here. Might check in #avatars-2-general or check the vrc traders discord

[vocal shard]

I graduated in animation, most my skills are useless here. lel

[floral aspen]

why? You could make some dope animations for vrchat

[woven steppe]

I model in sketchup... not blender unfortunately

[opaque hawk]

I use pmx editor

[polar bone]

In pmx editor do you just model vertex by vertex?

[opaque hawk]

Sort of

[polar bone]

Is there any kind of subsurf?

[opaque hawk]

You can’t sculpt but you can multi select and scale and all that

[polar bone]

Hmm

[opaque hawk]

I’m trying to graduate to blender

[polar bone]

The thing I like about blender is the proportional editing. You can move one point and it smoothly moves the one around it, rather than having to move each vertex

[opaque hawk]

I feel like I’m working in ms paint sometimes

[vocal shard]

Best art program.

[polar bone]

@opaque hawk check blender gurus beginner tutorial, it's really good

[earnest ermine]

knuckles is a pretty optimized avatar innit

[polar bone]

Yeah

[earnest ermine]

let's only use that

the second wave

[polar bone]

modern problems require modern solutions

[opaque hawk]

Thanks

I found him before I just have a hard time setting through any video tutorials

I’m looking forward to blender 2.80

[polar bone]

Yeah the grease pencil looks cool

[pseudo bobcat]

getting timeouts and connection fails atm

servers dying again?

[woven steppe]

had that 5 hours ago now

seems to have fixed itself for me

[polar bone]

they're always dying wdym

the servers are kept at a nice 280° Fahrenheit, enough to roast a hotdog while playing.

[woven steppe]

my UI can't seem to decide if a friend is online or offline

[pseudo bobcat]

every time i try to change world it relogs me in with a connection fail 1-2 times

[polar elm]

I think the servers are haveing issues

I would just wait it out for now

They will fix'em

[woven steppe]

how many servers does VRC have?

[polar elm]

They probably use alot of services ontop of the servers like aws/photon and cloudflare

[woven steppe]

Actually on second thought... I may just be one of the lucky ones that actually get in and not experience these connectivity issues now (had some bout 5-6 hours ago)

[median basalt]

This new update took some load off the IK, but slapped it back onto the networking twice as hard.

As I predicted lol

[dark narwhal]

wish me luck i just opened unity...time for a 15 hour unity grind

[small wing]

15 hours?

Making a world i assume?

[vale palm]

pretty sure its a knuckles

[vocal shard]

[safe marsh]

15h in unity? I took 6h alone in blender modeling 2 butt cheeks 2 days ago

[vocal shard]

lmao

[misty urchin]

[vocal shard]

and this shows where humanity is advancing in so fast

[safe marsh]

gotta put effort where effort is required

[vocal shard]

indeed. if got to make something. might as well do it good at least

[final patio]

Is there a way to disable safe mode? I keep triggering it by mistake

[timid musk]

lol I do that too

[frail escarp]

Does anybody know a world where to find avatars with chairs?

[woven steppe]

Nope...

probably too early

[frail escarp]

what i already saw some avatars with chairs on it

[rigid crescent]

personal ones

[frail escarp]

no , they weren't personal

i could become it

and i saw a few people using it , but when i click "creator" it shows just the creator that hasn't made any worlds

[rigid crescent]

you can set perdonal ones to cloning

[woven steppe]

you do realize personal avatars can also be set to public right?

[rigid crescent]

yeah, he just made it shareable

[frail escarp]

Yes , i do , but i saw the avatar with the chair was getting used by many people

[rigid crescent]

ok, so again

the avatr is public, not in a world

https://puu.sh/CldtA/637617c297.png this is my personal

not in a world, yet its shared

[frail escarp]

So it does mean that the goat got famous by cloning