Well, they hacked their client to be able to do that at the very least
#vrchat-general-2
tacit plank
Blocking avatars doesn't stop any network traffic
I guess it to make worlds sync properly between players... But blocking others don't stop them from crashing you, logging you out, changing your avatar, sending friend requests, etc.
rigid crescent
Yeah, blocking doesn't matter for anything but mesh/particle related crashes
and some people can unblock themselves, assuming that hasn't been fixed
languid beacon
Yeah sounds like this all needs dev fixins
Until then, change who you hang out with I guess, unfriend necessary social connections
languid beacon
Never for me.
rigid crescent
Yes, not for you, but the majority is done in public worlds.
languid beacon
And public doesn’t matter much if you joined a friend you joined who they joined, who joined who they join.. unless you are just joining random public worlds
rigid crescent
Yes, as crazy as that sounds, people join public worlds...
tacit plank
I only get crashed in publics
rigid crescent
And people join friends in public worlds. That still means it's happeningi n public worlds it doesn't matte who your friends are in them. there's still other people there
languid beacon
I’m saying joining randoms va joining a friend who happened to be in public
It’s different
rigid crescent
Yes, it's a 2 or 3 person difference lol
languid beacon
You can get the same bad crowd over and over
rigid crescent
20 people in a pug. I join 4 friends. 15 are randoms
tacit plank
Lesser known public worlds, and any friends+ worlds are fine for me though
rigid crescent
it's silly to try and turn it into a numbers game. Yes, im less likely to be crashed just because there's slightly fewer people, but it's really not that huge of a difference
earnest harbor
you see, devs had 2 choices, give us a more secure game or update unity to 2017... you know which one they went with -.-
tacit plank
I guess it's because I'm not friends with assholes, and not frinds of friends of assholes either
rigid crescent
It's not that black and white, but nice try there
languid beacon
It’s more the people you hang with
languid beacon
If you join a friend and crash maybe don’t join that friend lol
languid beacon
Try it
rigid crescent
We're talking about public worlds
tacit plank
In a friends+, you have a point. In a public, the population will be random
earnest harbor
yeah, because there tottally isn't a huge security issue in vrc @umbral reef that's been complained about for nearly a year now.
rigid crescent
What "security" issue ?Being logged out?
tacit plank
If it's a friends+ world, true. If it's a public, any asshole can join it
earnest harbor
going to a world with a few friends and there are 4 crashers sitting in a corner who were doing their own thing until one of them shoots out particles and you block them
languid beacon
I don’t get what you don’t get. Giving up
umbral reef
Crashing from particles isnt security tho really
umbral nova
Security =/= Crashers
rigid crescent
You're saying that avoid joining certain friends if you're crashed around them. That's not even the topic
umbral reef
The logging out and ect fully is
earnest harbor
good job taking what you want from what I said.
rigid crescent
lol shut up dude we understand perfectly that there's an issue with crashers. That's hardly a "security" issue though
umbral nova
Security is more like if you're getting something stolen or if someone is somehow transferring data to you
earnest harbor
No, I was forcibly logged out 4 times in a row after blocking one of them for shooting out some particles
languid beacon
Maybe stop joining that world after the first crash
vocal shard
Reinstall @scarlet fox
tacit plank
In friends+, you will join friends, or friends of friends, etc.
If your friends don't hang out with bad people, friends+ are basically always safe
indigo fern
why'd you keep going back is a better question lul
languid beacon
Exactly
earnest harbor
the glaring issues where worlds and avatars can be stolen from the cache?
tacit plank
If you join a public, your friends don't dictate who might join it
umbral nova
Cache ripping can't be helped
rigid crescent
i don't see that going away any time soon
languid beacon
Solution: don’t join friends in public
earnest harbor
it can actually
umbral nova
There is literally no way cache ripping can be solved
languid beacon
Or pick different friends
tacit plank
I can solve it
rigid crescent
People are crashed just as often in randoms as they are joining friends, please just stop
earnest harbor
but dev time went into 2017 unity over security of our hard work
vocal shard
I love me some public 👌
rigid crescent
your point is absolutely garbage
atomic tusk
if there's one thing I really like with the move to 2017...
rigid crescent
Very few people don't 'deserve' their "work" stolen. The only people I feel pity for are the actual 3D mdoelers.
atomic tusk
it's our animations not getting stuck when we sit down with an animation active
rigid crescent
everyone else is a thief, myself included
earnest harbor
@umbral nova you are aware that theres a thing called encryption, yes?
tacit plank
Generate a unique ID for every avatar. Save everything to disk, but minus that ID from the first 32 bytes in the file.
When you load that avatar next time, apply the unique ID to the data again
umbral nova
@rigid crescent I'm a bigger thief than you
indigo fern
Encryption 
tacit plank
They will have stolen 99.9%, but that data would be corrupted
rigid crescent
Eevee with his nintendo models, me with my TDA, people with their kantais, etc. All thieves. We don't really deserve our work being protected. The few who DO make their own things are the ones I feel bad for ,but I've met so few complaining about cache ripping compared to the people who just port MMD stuff
umbral nova
@earnest harbor Encryption can only go so far. People can crack it, then word he's out
tacit plank
You can't crack encryption
umbral nova
That's how it goes for most games actually
atomic tusk
we're not even supposed to use the TDA base in vrchat
tacit plank
Unless you find a way to save the key or something
umbral nova
Did TDA himself say that?
earnest harbor
wew such misinformation and ignorance, I'm outie..
vocal shard
That's gross, wear a t-shirt @earnest harbor
umbral nova
Also whenever I see "waifu"
atomic tusk
I believe he did
umbral nova
I think of the waifu2x program
rigid crescent
I thought you were done, and yet you're here typing? lol
umbral nova
mmmmm
vocal shard
I got my username from much Saltybet playing.
umbral nova
Mic I think he has some words for me lol
tacit plank
waifu2x is amazing
umbral nova
Really is
tacit plank
No better use for 2 trillion CPU cycles than using new AI technology to make anime titties bigger
Or, in my case, lolis bigger
umbral nova
I use it for 3DS textures
rigid crescent
It's just a fact honestly. Most of VRChat avatars are made with stolen assets, or at the very least assets we aren't supposed to be using in VRC. I really don't feel bad for anyone, including myself, who gets their avatar stolen. It's not even a big deal. All you did was mash some shit together. The people doing their own modeling by hand and having their work stolen are the ones I feel bad for, they actually put in real work.
earnest harbor
Honestly, the toxicity from the pair of you is sad.
rigid crescent
ok, cheer up soon m8. later.
umbral reef
@earnest harbor Encryption still means it has to be unlocked at one point...
So it would sadly not solve all the problems just add an extra step into getting them
rigid crescent
hopefully he means me
umbral reef
Best thing you can do right now is to disable future proofing and use Cats avatar protection
rigid crescent
Yeah that's why I don't even think it's worth the resources to try and solve it right now, at least not that urgently
umbral reef
Most people who steal avatars cant be assed to work enough to fix that stuff-
Even though its fully posible as that stuff has been cracked so far i know
atomic tusk
if you use the avatar protection it breaks shadowmaps if you use them
umbral reef
They /can/ solve it though
But it takes a full system change really
woven steppe
just make your avatar too complicated to use by anyone who doesnt know how to run it
umbral nova
@atomic tusk Doesn't that work on shape keys?
Using the avatar protection is useless
vocal shard
You stole my Master Chief© recolor with a some waifu from some copyrighted anime's head on it you thief.
umbral nova
I'm just saying that now
atomic tusk
and you shouldn't be using future proofing anyways
rigid crescent
Yeah, that basically summarized all my rant, Waifu
earnest harbor
@umbral nova @rigid crescent perhaps you shouldn't go for personal attacks in the future?
umbral nova
Personal?
vocal shard
👍
atomic tusk
future proofing just makes you spend more time uploading and makes unity crash
rigid crescent
I thought you were leaving...
umbral nova
Lmao
woven steppe
my avatar will go into infinite altitude increase the moment you move unless one of the colliders are disabled first.
atomic tusk
I used to crash while uploading every third upload or so sometimes even after the first try
umbral reef
@atomic tusk It also provides more stuff (what makes it load longer) and gives peeps who rip it more stuff
atomic tusk
ever since I disabled future proofing no more crashes
rigid crescent
I also don't recall any personal attacks, but what do I know?
vocal shard
I got a few Crashes, but I realized that meme is old.
umbral reef
@earnest harbor But how would encryption work then according to you?
As we might be wrong but unless you explain it we will never know for sure or be properly educated about it
vocal shard
😏
rigid crescent
I mean I do recall you calling us ignorant when we're actually pretty well versed on how big of an issue it can be, but that's the only personal attack I saw.
earnest harbor
just an idea and encryption wouldn't be easy to implement in the slightest
median basalt
Encryption can be broken if the algorithm is broken or if you find the key somehow
halcyon kestrel
My computer ran into a blue screen
median basalt
And it would have to be decrypted by the game at some point
halcyon kestrel
Wtf
rigid crescent
it wouldn't be, and it also isn't worth the time to implement it just to protect some MMD stuff, at least not at this stage
umbral reef
Well- We need to unlock the encryption locally
What means we have the key somewhere in the end
umbral nova
@median basalt Remember how fast Pokemon Let's Go got decrypted?
twilit sluice
Hey y'all, I'm getting my Vive on Thursday and was wondering if anyone had any useful alternatives to putting screws in your walls.
ruby needle
light stands
atomic tusk
loads of command strips
rigid crescent
ruby needle
well if you have something to mount that on
rigid crescent
(I haven't used them or know anyone to use them fyi so)
crisp ruin
literally just lots of gaff tape
ruby needle
no
languid beacon
Solution: use an avatar no one wants to steal
umbral nova
Ez
twilit sluice
Alright, I'll look into it, thanks for the suggestions
umbral nova
Use an avatar that's just a Unity cube
rigid crescent
i've seen a blender cube stolen as a joke lol
it was a friend taking it from a friend
umbral nova
Lol
woven steppe
really... just have an avatar only you know how to use.
umbral nova
@woven steppe Good idea. Let me just use a Project Mirai DX model
crisp ruin
when people steal my avatar i upload one with a shader that causes instant vr sickness to the user under the same avatar id
rigid crescent
I mean all it takes is removing the collider, not really difficult
umbral nova
Those things are stupid complicated
rigid crescent
What happens when they cache rip it?
umbral reef
@crisp ruin That worked months ago- Right now they can just steal the unity files and reupload it themself...
umbral nova
@rigid crescent If they try to yoink the collider?
crisp ruin
welp then im fucked. people havent stolen my avatars lately. i usually use the one i uploaded to piblic
umbral nova
Or the Project Mirai model?
rigid crescent
the shader thing was what i meant
merry gale
Does anyone know if VRChat supports fingertracking?
crisp ruin
no
twin jacinth
most likely not
woven steppe
nope
crisp ruin
it would be cool tho
merry gale
Yeah with the new steamVR knuckles that would be awesone
rigid crescent
It's on the "to do" list
woven steppe
itd be most useful if you can actually interact with things with your fingers
rigid crescent
Until they fix the hinge joint thing, that's a pipe dream sadly
merry gale
Atleast there is hope for it
woven steppe
could try holding a game object with fingers with colliders.
though itd probably just glitch out
rigid crescent
yeah, it most likely would
stone current
which would be better to play in a running animation
running in the 90s or that song from rocky
indigo fern
She's a maniac
rigid crescent
can you create your own avatarID? i always wondered that
languid beacon
The best content in vrc is original content. It shines above all the game rips mmd models. Made-for-VR content is tiers above and it’s wonderful. But it only takes an artist hearing even the hint of “your content will be stolen” and they will simply walk away from vrc and it will be less for it
small wing
Important service announcement, your sound sources could be better. https://vrchat.canny.io/feature-requests/p/stereo-audio-source-on-avatars
Leave an upvote on this if you agree, we need this feature.
ruby needle
yeah
split the track in the left and right channel
and use 2 sources
that are placed in a stereo configuration
thats how you do it in a 3d enviroment
umbral reef
7.2 sound tho 👀
opaque hawk
Object based audio will always be better overall
small wing
That doesn't work right either.
languid beacon
You can’t have your cake and eat it too. You can’t be spatatalized and stereo
small wing
There sometimes is a latency when sound sources are triggered. and having more than 1 source is just resource taxing in itself.
languid beacon
It doesn’t make sense
What does a stereo sound clip to your immediate left sound like?
ruby needle
in reality, if you have sound from one origin its always gonna be mono no matter if you place 2 speakers at the same place.
it would in my eyes hurt the enviroment a lot more to do a "2D" audio
phase cancellation issues is more a issue of the audio track it self.
languid beacon
I kind of can see it as the audio version of a billboard sprite
Maybe that world work
small wing
So you are saying that you prefer running more than 1 source and eating up resources?
Because a 2D source could be positioned locally to not displace based on position.
umbral nova
@languid beacon Speaking of audio and billboard sprites
small wing
Placing 2 sources seems redundant.
covert linden
2d audio would suck
umbral nova
I wonder where you got that idea
covert linden
I like being abl to hear when people whisper in my eeaaar
ruby needle
2D audio ruins the 3D enviroment and localisation
umbral nova
I just have 2 audio sources running if I place down music and a dance somewhere
Beats having 2D audio
languid beacon
2D audio feels annoying in vr to me
ruby needle
even in reality if you turn sideways you'd have the audio from the side and not the same as before.
umbral nova
People can just walk away if people have a problem with it
ruby needle
it's just not how it works .
tidal aspen
I like 2D audio if it's like a club or w/e and the music is generally supposed to be everywhere
languid beacon
Yeah I want to hear the Audio fall to one side when I turn my head it’s like a form of releaf
umbral nova
Or block my avatar like they always do, not even considering turning down avatar audio
small wing
You guys are aware that 2D sources can have falloffs right?
ruby needle
but it isnt Dafirex
languid beacon
It’s not the falloff that’s the issue it’s it not panning when you turn your head away from the source
stone current
ye but 2d falloff is mono
opaque hawk
This conversation physically hurts me (is sound designer)
small wing
2D falloff isn't mono at all.
umbral nova
Roll, I actually wanna know how 2D falloff works
ruby needle
@opaque hawk ikr 
umbral nova
I'm gonna be gone from today until next week though so
I wouldn't put it to use until then
languid beacon
2D falloff just lowers the volume as you walk away ? It’s kinda simple.
umbral nova
Yea
languid beacon
You can’t tell which way to walk away but if you do it lowers
small wing
@umbral nova You automate the volume falloff range and when the faloff hits zero you disable 2D and blend into 3D
stone current
if sound not supposed 2 be 3d then falloff is just gona use volume multiplier for both channels
3d falloff is gona use that and dot product or something to determine sound direction and manipulate channels accordingly
opaque hawk
Music should be 2d and keep the falloff range low
small wing
Finally
languid beacon
Disagree
small wing
someone understands
opaque hawk
Don’t need to hear people across the map
stone current
i.e. leftchannelvol = vol*distcalc*(dotprodleft*0.5+.5)
languid beacon
2D audio sucks
opaque hawk
Don’t 3D music. It ruins the stereo mix
vocal shard
I'd never block your avatar @umbral nova if that makes you feel better.
small wing
Keep the source 2D (meaning stereo is preserved) and falloff the volume based on distance.
ruby needle
akalink pls
vocal shard
Same to you Adeon.
small wing
that is all we need to avoid phase issues
stone current
for 2d it just allvol = vol*distcalc
languid beacon
Use. Two. Audio sources.
stone current
or set up speakers like u would irl
languid beacon
Exactly
ruby needle
if you go to any place you'll never have that @opaque hawk thats just not how it works
small wing
Setting multiple sources in an array would cause latency issues and add to the overhead in the scene.
ruby needle
there could be a component like there is on worlds with players
small wing
For proper stereo you need phase to hit without latency issues.
ruby needle
wher the player component has separate speaker components
opaque hawk
2D has many practical uses, but it’s the exception
languid beacon
There is no such thing as 2D audio in the real world. If they are playing stereo music it’s just two audio sources
ruby needle
what makes stereo stereo is the placement of speakers.
its 2 synced up channels
or not, cus sometimes stereo impressions are done with tiny delays between 2 channels.
But thats not important here
languid beacon
Yes so just set up two speakers and you get natural sounding stereo in vr
Still will sound the same as if played on a real big stereo setup
Especially when you walk up to it or walk away
ruby needle
but even tho you have set up 2 peakers lets say at your pc, if you turn sideways from those two you get a mono sound as one ear gets both and the other gets the same a tiny bit laters
languid beacon
That’s natural
ruby needle
Thats how it world in 3D and how it's supposed to work in VRChat aswell
so a "global" 2d source is absolutely wrong.
small wing
Get rid of the phase cancelation and use 2 channels and i'm happy, I dont care how it needs to be set up. I just care about the phasing issues.
If a sound source needs to be fixed so that rotation doesn't move it, then so be it. But as of now everything is muffled and distorted which is horrible.
languid beacon
That’s why I said 2D stereo is like a billboard sprite where the left channel is always on the left no matter which side you look/listen to it from. It’s like a sprite always turning to look at your camera
small wing
What's awful?
ruby needle
Adeons
small wing
I cant see blocked messages
languid beacon
Yes it’s bad
small wing
Custom css
languid beacon
I’m just saying that’s what it would be
ruby needle
Fair enogh.
And for yours Rollthered its also not how that works.
Even if the same place would play both channels separately you would get phase cancellation
small wing
You would get phase cancelation IF you had mono headphones at that point.
Which i dont see how anyone in this current year would be using mono headphones.
ruby needle
no
thats not it
lets say this is the listener O [] [] and these two speakers are on the same spot
but play back in stereo
you'd still get the cancellation
because thats how that works.
the acustic waves still overlap and cancels out each other
small wing
The speakers are on my ears though? I dont undestand if you mean in game sound sources or irl.
ruby needle
so you would need to virtually place the two speakers like that []O[]
ruby needle
does all come down to a waveform
cus in the end what we are doing is 3D Positional audio
because thats how this game works.
spiral flax
FileNotFoundException: C:/Users/Jonas/AppData/Local/Temp/DefaultCompany/Emo Len/customAvatar.unity3d does not exist
Can anyone help me?
ruby needle
so digitally the wave forms get mainipulated on how they would sound on your ears
which comes to the same result
overlapping waveforms
and cancellation
But thats how it works
in the game
but also would in reality
thats the point of it.
small wing
Saying all this is like saying it cannot be done, but it has in many games before.
ruby needle
No thats not it
small wing
I dont understand your arguement when all i say is the phasing is an issue.
ruby needle
if the original audio file was mixed correctly with taking phases into acount a mono mix would sound good
so the origin of the issue is the audio file
but we only deal with that issue once both channels overlap, wether it is a mono playback or becomes mono based on playback position
small wing
But we are talking stereo here, and stereo has nothing to do with frequencies canceling out when played properly.
If it were mono then sure.
ruby needle
Okay, what is stereo to you?
small wing
I'm completely focused on why having mono sound sources on avatars sounds so bad in this current state of the game. Stereo would fix the perceived phase issues to the point of it not being as much of an issue for most people. Aside from say, people listening to a youtube video on their phone of VRChat gameplay.
ruby needle
stereo wouldnt fix it until the channels are played back from different positions
small wing
Pretty sure this conversation is going nowhere.
I would keep explaining, but you're making it pretty hard to.
umbral reef
Lets just remove all sound from vrc 
civic plume
eh so tired
umbral reef
Sleep 
ruby needle
I know what you want i belive. But i want to explain you why that isnt how it works.
The solution just isn't as simple.
small wing
If i could call you in discord and screen share everything to show you I would.
civic plume
i can’t it too late now gotta work lol
small wing
I would go as far to explain how phase works and explain how to mitigate specialization, but you seem to have focused more on what would "need" to be done to fix it as opposed to what the issue is.
languid beacon
I usually have sound sources off for non friends 😄
civic plume
i leave everything on
small wing
Im more focused on the issue, i'm not VRChat. I dont do all the code or decide how something is fixed. I'm only providing the issue..
ruby needle
Yes.
And i know the issue and why its a problem for you
But i tried to explain why it's not as easly solved as with playing it back in stereo.
Because the magic word is 3D Positional Audio
coral steppe
how can i be that the pictures that i took in vrchat, those are gone now?
neon flume
They should be in your user directory/pictures/vrchat
coral steppe
i had a seperate folder there and that folder is completely empty
small wing
Key word right there. "Not as easy". But still i feel its well worth the canny post.
If what you are meaning by stating that is that its not worth the effort, that seems like something the Devs would decide.
ruby needle
no, not woth the efford isn't at all what im saying.
umbral reef
@coral steppe did you delete the game or anything like that then?
As files should not just vanish...
ruby needle
if you really want to know the issue and want to waste some more minues on a call, im available 
umbral reef
Calling fpaul 
small wing
Alright, add me and i will give you a call in a few minutes.
coral steppe
I am sure that i did not delete them, i have only 110 pictures left, for some reason
small wing
I will prep my examples in FL to show you some of the problems and how they could be solved,
Just sent you a request
@ruby needle
ruby needle
didn't i send one allready 
small wing
I block friend requests and dm's because of spam
ruby needle
Ah
small wing
had to add you instead
civic wigeon
Is the favorite world list gone?
gloomy fossil
hello how i can found furrys avatar on vr
umbral reef
I assume you want to find an avatar world with them instead of uploading it yourself?
civic plume
to be honest are we ever gonna see that favourites tab again lol
rigid crescent
probably
umbral nova
That the first time I've seen someone ask in this Discord about "furry" avatars
indigo fern
umbral reef
Those dam furries and there diffrent life style and stuff then me 😡
umbral reef
sending
languid beacon
Is there an eta for 70K uploads
I have a few slightly-above 20k things to upload now
atomic tusk
most of my models before decimation are between 20-25k
umbral reef
The open beta has to happen first for it
floral quiver
My unity project keep freezing then gives me a crash error everytime i launch it when i import the vrchat sdk. And when i delete the file out of the project and reopen it it launches fine. Anybody know whats up?
Is my unity itself corrupted cas my pc froze near the end of installing unity the day i did it
umbral nova
Most of my models are under 10k lol
Then there's a Tesla costume which is somehow above 11k
Even though his original outfit is around 7k something
rigid crescent
i usually just hit 30-40k
languid beacon
Everyone I find tends to be specifically like 23~26k
umbral nova
Weird
neon flume
Yeah nearly all of my models started at under 30k with the exception of a few with very quality shoes.
languid beacon
I wish material swap worked in mirrors so I could just not trigger meshes active and keep everything as one skinned mesh render
umbral nova
All the MMD models, man.
neon flume
It works for others right? One of my models changes colour based on gestures and it works for everyone except me.
languid beacon
Yeah everyone but yourself
I wanna see it work for myself tho so I just make them separate skinned mesh renders
Which isn’t as optimized but it’s important to see what everyone else sees to me
umbral nova
@
Adeon's being unoptimized mmmmm
neon flume
shun
umbral reef
👏 'd
umbral nova
Inb4 I'm actually banned for pinging no one though
vocal shard
Rip
rigid crescent
umbral nova
H m m
vocal shard
vrchat is more fun with htc vive, i am guessing?
opaque hawk
depends who you ask
vocal shard
Depend...
languid beacon
I prefer oculus because it matches your hand poses
neon flume
It's fun on all platforms, from desktop to vive pro 😄
solemn oriole
I prefer Rift
vocal shard
I know a fbt vive user who prefers his rift he says
I have been thinking of getting some sort of vr headset just to play this game!
languid beacon
vocal shard
Any of them are great. Just go with your budget
languid beacon
I use oculus with vive trackers I prefer it over full vive
delicate stump
Does that work well?
umbral reef
Imo no game is worth 300+ euro minium if you already havea good enough pc
If you plan to play other VR games and ect
Ow man- go for it sure! Vr is awesome!
vocal shard
woah... those hand movements seem good with the oculus
umbral reef
I prefer the vive myself btw
But hats mainly because i use it for non VRchat games also...
neon flume
I'm on Rift + vive trackers too, I think I'd prefer the vive setup if I were starting from scratch (minimal interference etc) but it was cheaper for me since I already had the rift. I'm biding my time to switch to knuckles anyways.
umbral reef
And shooting a gun is way neater with the vive of the 'grip' style then
Even though shooting in vr is shit 👀 Unless its a pistol
vocal shard
Yeah the rift has the best hand presence controllers. Vive are more like guns which work better for other games
umbral reef
Rift hands are better for VRchat- Worse for most other vr gaes
As with most games you dont use all fingers even...
rigid crescent
Any specific reason?
vocal shard
Ok cool ^^
languid beacon
Major selling point for me for oculus is dual analog sticks
rigid crescent
A lot of people lean towards it just for the hype.
languid beacon
Walking and turning just feels better to me with analog sticks
I don’t like track pads
rigid crescent
actually yeah Jamie lol
I mean it wasn't hype, but the "consensus" was that Vive was just better, this was waaaay earlier in the year
vocal shard
Yeah. And vive was always raised as the best .. but now the rift is more popular
rigid crescent
I mean I got mine free so no buyer's remorse but i imagine most people would like the save that extra $150 if they can
languid beacon
Knuckle controllers may shift me to vive in the end, depends on how well they work on VRChat (if they only do gesture detection and don’t broadcast individual fingers I probably won’t bother with them, touch controllers already do that very well)
I also prefer removable/replicable batteries over charging things
Dead battery pop it out and keep going
rigid crescent
you're FBT+Rift aren't you?
languid beacon
Yes
umbral reef
So far its just trigger tracking so same as oculus
rigid crescent
with trackers, or xbox
languid beacon
Trackers
umbral reef
But there is a canny for finger tracking
languid beacon
I’d go vive for fingers
umbral reef
Xbone tracking is shit though---
The middle group option is beter but i forgot the name
solemn oriole
the new unity is 2017.4.15f1 right?
rigid crescent
Knuckles are lighthouse things, which you have since you have trackers.
languid beacon
Yeah but at that point I have constellation tracking just for the headset might as well get a pro and have everything in the same universe
rigid crescent
Yeah that's the right version
neon flume
Afaik you can actually use the vive controllers* with the rift, you just need steam controller dongles. The knuckles should be similar
rigid crescent
they are
neon flume
I think the only benefit to using vive controllers with the rift would be less interference with the vive trackers. Or I guess if you love the vive control layout 🤷
median umbra
p
umbral reef
Not really- At best it would cause no interference and at worse just more...
languid beacon
I experience no interference between 2018 trackers and rift stuff with 1.0 9 led lighthouses
None whatsoever
Not even point blank
languid beacon
I wear my hip in the back so I stop slapping it
heady coral
Did vr just crash??
rigid crescent
5.4k people on, probably not
languid beacon
But yeah I saw a twitter post from a vrc dev and the knuckle was just detecting which of the standard 8 hand poses you were closest to making and animating like that. I don’t want to complain but touch already can do that so I wouldn’t bother getting them if that was release behavior
rigid crescent
yeah probably just a stepping off point. i cant imagine its really on top of the "to do" list right now
tidal aspen
I believe they're working on a better implementation, heard it from a friend though
languid beacon
!online
floral flaxBOT
There are 5390 users in VRChat currently
languid beacon
Looks alive to me
craggy hinge
I heard you like dynamic bones.. would be a shame if someone would 
it
vocal shard
Hmm?
ancient kindle
morning ❤
vital pier
ㅇㅅㅇ?
vocal shard
where be people getting the tsumiki model-
earnest ermine
having a poor rated avatar for putting dynamic bones in my hair means only the weak people will block me
don't think we don't know how to weeeeeed em out
near saffron
amount like that is overkill
earnest ermine
I don't have dynamic bones in the hair for my main avatar lol
vocal shard
🤔
earnest ermine
whatisjoke
sullen escarp
the weak should fear the strong
earnest ermine
many a frame has dropped in fear of my presence
hey mic can you say "you literally deserve to be blocked lol" again but just that so I can ss it
rigid crescent
You literally deserve to be blocked lol
earnest ermine
you put yeah before it!!
rigid crescent
there you go
earnest ermine
ty
vocal shard
ty
rigid crescent
i kinda want this too for my avatar...
screenshotting my own posts, i think i hit a new low
vocal shard
muahahahhahahahahahha
earnest ermine
ss someone else's post for your avatar texture
vocal shard
Lol
earnest ermine
@rigid crescent you're getting blocked for that one
rigid crescent
earnest ermine
this is so sad
languid beacon
I don’t block anyone I just hide avatars
earnest ermine
no one else will
opaque hawk
it appears everyone and their mom uses the "hangout" tag on their world.
languid beacon
It’s a popular word to search for when you want anything except avatar worlds
Or games. Just social
rigid crescent
uuuuugh i wish i could upload multiple avatars at once
solemn oriole
WHOA calm down there
languid beacon
I think you can if you have two projects open
rigid crescent
https://puu.sh/CiLHp/84ea9f3614.png ;-; the offline text is never gonna go away
sullen escarp
lmao
errant vault
Oh
empty wharf
If only I was cool enough to be on Jamie’s friends list.
dark narwhal
If only i was cool enough to have to scroll to see my entire freinds list
glossy wharf
@empty wharf ur gae
empty wharf
Removed @glossy wharf
rigid crescent
glossy wharf
Okay b u d d y
dark narwhal
Oof too real 4 mi
dark narwhal
^*RINSE
sullen escarp
gangweed
vocal shard
someones crashing people in public pugs
Gotta be more specific
o sorry
There’s plenty of those guys, sounds like old news
stiff tree
When isn't that happening
covert anvil
floral flaxBOT
There are 5574 users in VRChat currently
umbral nova
Looks like it's dying
indigo fern
Game's dying confirmed
civic plume
how?
weary lantern
everything dies eventually
vocal shard
rip
indigo fern
Borger > burger
vocal shard
burg > borger > burger
indigo fern
weary lantern
bargour
civic plume
the high wave of popularity has died. the game doesn’t, people will still play and do stuff. it’s not like one day VRCBot will say 0 users playing
vocal shard
burguette
umbral nova
@civic plume I was meming
civic plume
i know
umbral nova
Look at #vrchat-general-1
civic plume
i was being a typical meme killer
umbral nova
Ohlol
floral flaxBOT
There are 5660 users in VRChat currently
civic plume
if it said 0 users i would get scared
so wait has server issues returned or what? @umbral nova
indigo fern
Not sure if it completely left
Some people are getting random black screens on entering worlds, and not the usual kind where you can see the mic icon
I still get timed out randomly too, but it is better than that one time a while ago
civic plume
hm this is strange. it’s like vrchat is hacked
i don’t get network issues, in fact i had my network go through my UPS and that caused some issues so i made a bypass and now i never get disconnected but idk this is just strange
rigid crescent
that's been happening, never stopped
pretty sure since the update. when they were helping in support basically all theyd tell you/are telling you is to email them about it
civic plume
i just hope they get this stuff fixed before my pimax arrives
alpine crater
civic plume
that’s unity 2017 i think
i find my cpu doesn’t bottle neck as hard with my titan v anymore, quite happy now 💜💜
vocal shard
Hmm? I was pinged?
pure hemlock
Is anyone else getting blue screen of death a lot playing the new vrchat update?
umbral nova
whodis
silent aspen
what happened to the favorites page?
weak coyote
Is there anything we can do about how our arms keeps resetting or not syncing with other users?
civic plume
@pure hemlock whenever you get a bsod search up the stop code
pure hemlock
It doesn't have any code on the blue screen
jovial vortex
Is anyone having trouble logging into vrchat. I keep timingnout on loading screen.
wraith hamlet
anyone know any worlds with a police avatar, cop car with siren, ect?
jovial vortex
I don't remember the name of it but there is a world of cat people cops.
tall ingot
🕷
umbral nova
k
vocal shard
been a while since i made avatars, is there anyway to test them in vr without uploading yet?
No
feelsbadman
wraith hamlet
tx Honig
civic plume
@pure hemlock then it’s not a blue screen, all blue screens have a stop code at the bottom of everything.
patent tide
Hello, a question, is it normal that with a GTX 1080 on a map with about 20 people (but all with the avatar disabled) the game does not go to more than 50 frames?
quiet river
@patent tide its a cpu intensive game
patent tide
oh, okok, thanks you!
clever osprey
Sometimes you have to, especially if there's a movie playing
hollow umbra
Video worlds ew
sleek bone
Close beta next version
"You can now copy any Public Avatar that another user is wearing as long as they have "Allow Avatar Copying" enabled in the Settings menu! See an avatar that someone's wearing? Want to try it on yourself? As long as it is a Public avatar and the user in question has "Allow Avatar Copying" checked in their Settings menu (enabled by default), then you can just click them, click the button on the right in your Quick Menu, and you're good to go!"
vocal shard
Mhmm
covert linden
I hate that
covert linden
Any estimate for the release
vocal shard
Maybe a couple months... Its still got to complete the closed beta cycle... Then open beta
covert linden
Awh that sucks
civic plume
ash^-^
mighty galleon
monty
mighty galleon
ve?
mighty galleon
nice
civic plume
gonna do some vrchatt
mighty galleon
gl
floral flaxBOT
There are 5290 users in VRChat currently
mighty galleon
dk ive not played for a while
civic plume
i play as much as i can
i don’t get bored i get excited
1300hours later still feel the same
i’m home
i’ll be back
quartz basin
It's just that public worlds became so god damn cancerous with the disconnects and stuff.
mighty galleon
laying
civic plume
owo bed time?
civic plume
vrchat?
mighty galleon
rarelu
civic plume
im on
brave furnace
Does anyone know a theme park world, with rides/coasters/ect?
raw storm
Amusementpark
civic plume
Themepark DS
idle nova
civic plume
just hit 1400 hours 💜
raven silo
It is again possible to place chairs on avatars! Use this to create things like car avatars, carry around people in your hands or on your shoulders-- anything you can think up! Please note: This feature is prone to weirdness and may act strange. For best results, try to mount the chair on your avatar such that the "head" location (as in, where a standard-sized occupant's head will be when sitting) is as close as possible to the Bone/GameObject the VRC_Station is a child of
rigid crescent
more excited about the IK stuff, wow
quartz basin
After all these days, I never figured out what IK actually stands for.
rigid crescent
inverse kinematics
it's what makes the rest of your arma body move despite the game only knowing where your hands and head are
and stuff like that
quartz basin
So no more twisting elbows and shoulders?
rigid crescent
the only thing that changed is how we transmit it, so probably still
raven silo
they update ik be better performance
rigid crescent
instead of me calculating everyone's, which is big boi processing power, everyone now calculates their own and sends that info to everyone else
olive mulch
yeet
quartz basin
Oh wow, sounds like a massive performance boost.
rigid crescent
Yeah, basically the IK is what makes 20+people rooms laggy even when everyone has an optimized avatar, which is almost never
I'm not sure if this is still true since I learned this a long time ago, but the IK is the heaviest hit on performance outside of extremely unoptimized avatars
I wonder how bad, if any, synchronization issue we'll see now that it's all transferred between users though
quartz basin
Hopefully they also add an option to automatically block unoptimized avatars.
olive mulch
doibt it
rigid crescent
With the way the system is now that's not really a good idea, you'd be blocking avatars that don't have a hit on your performance whatsoever
median basalt
Yeah
raven silo
mostly like any avatar to many dynamic bone might be in yellow and red lol
umbral reef
Tbh- Cant you just spoof your IK then?
rigid crescent
is that an issue?
median basalt
Hacked clients could already spoof their hand and head positions
Now they can probably say "dude look at my twisted elbow lmao"
Not a large concern
quartz basin
I just want to block the really unoptimized ones.
I still have to figure out why this game is now maxing my GPU all of a sudden with nothing going on.
olive mulch
i dont have that problem
indigo yacht
@quartz basin gtx 1060 6gb on 100%-90% when in empty world alone looking at mirror
rigid crescent
yikes what
olive mulch
big oof
quartz basin
Yeah, I only use an RX 480 myself but I never had problems with my GPU playing VRchat.
indigo yacht
i5-8600k usage 40%-60% mostly in vrc
olive mulch
i don’t even look at how much it uses
indigo yacht
then again oculus been havign way too much problems recently
glossy wharf
Are you using the oculus store version
glossy wharf
What overlay crash? I have not had any issues with an overlay crash with my oculus
indigo yacht
didn't see any difference in fps or stats when tried oculus store version
my oculus ''dash'' the overlay time to time opens but i still see vrc normaly i cannot move my avatar from joystick or do any handgestures have to kill the game from task manager
indigo yacht
1 british friend had same problem during friday / saturday evening
umbral reef
@glossy wharf gib me a profesional looking letter type within words 
glossy wharf
@umbral reef wha
indigo yacht
in vrc i open oculus dash also known oculus overlay then i hear that opening sound but it dosen't show up so youre in between overlay and vrc but your hands are criple you can move them left right but you cannot click anything you cannot do hand gestures and only way to get rid of that is killing game and oculus process from task manager
umbral reef
I need a letter type that looks good
And as your way more creative with editing and stuff im asking you for a fancy letter type 👀
glossy wharf
@indigo yacht That happens quite a bit, thats when it tries to load the fullscreened oculus home in dash mode, you have to wait until the oculus logo shows up and then double click the oculus home button
indigo yacht
i assume oculus just pushes half working software updates what i wouldnt wanna download in first place but since oculus decides to download that already for you what you can do ?
glossy wharf
this only happens if you spam the oculus button twice or thrice in a fast matter of time.
No this is not a bug, this is an intentional feature
to launch the oculus home frome within any application
@umbral reef Can you be any less precise
what style are you looking for
umbral reef
Shit i can throw on a poster to invite business peeps
Im making an invitation letter
indigo yacht
so it wasen't abnormal when i couldnt see oculus even restarting itself when my hands went criple and i waited over 5min first time when it happend
glossy wharf
Yes that wasnt abnormal.
The oculus home within games is fucking garbage but is intentional behaviour.
i have yet to find a way to disable that shit its so annoying
umbral reef
Use the vive :^)
quartz basin
I really hate the vive controllers.
quartz basin
Also everyone recommends getting the deluxe head strap for the vive to have a way better comfortable fit.
Everything about the Vive is just too expensive.
umbral reef
Tbh- What would be the best way to get good guns within VRC?
Do you guys think just adding a locked third point to your shoulder/head works
Or more real life copies instead so its more stable also
errant vault
Oh
floral flaxBOT
There are 4329 users in VRChat currently
elfin forge
is there a reason why the vrchat page isn't working for me? tryna download the sdk
rigid crescent
odd, it works for me. i just logged in now to check
try VRchat.com or vrchat.net, whichever one you arent using
indigo yacht
@elfin forge try different web browser ?
elfin forge
imma just get someone to send me the unitypackage for it
tried on chrome and normal internet too
twin jacinth
Delete your history/cookies and shit in the browser
might work
quartz basin
I just realized I never merged my Steam and VRchat account. is it actually safe to do so without losing rank?
merry gale
You can risk losing rank
ruby needle
If there is no goals to achieve from that like old friends or so, I wouldn't do it.
quartz basin
Alrighty, thought maybe it could boost my trust rank.
umbral reef
The odds are slim of it doing that anyway
ruby needle
Afaik it can make you trackable via steam Id
So, I just wouldn't do it if there is no real benefit to get from it
indigo yacht
i personaly don't wanna combine my steam with vrc
it's enough people can track what i do in vrc i dont want let people also see all games what i have and so on
twin jacinth
I combined with no problems and increased my rank from Known (Just hit it 2 days prior) to Trusted
glossy wharf
depends on how much trust score you have on the steam account i guess
quartz basin
I do have quite some time invested in the Steam account
twin jacinth
Well i had 350-400/350-400 on both accounts when i merged them
As well as 10-20 friends on steam i didn't have on my vrchat account
queen mango
13 hours I think, and 4 friends
quartz basin
I think 200 hours and 50 friends.
vocal shard
?
twin jacinth
Might* make a difference Sails 200 hours and 50 friends is a lot
civic plume
i feel sad now 😦
unity crapped its pants and deleted its self of my hard disk and now im scared because with computer i beleive that if it happens once.. it will happen again 
this is bullshit
queen mango
twin jacinth
Backups
ez fix
civic plume
no unity itsel!
why would you back up the actual unity client
what im curious as to why it completely erased itself
mighty galleon
your drunk self did it
twin jacinth
no idea never experienced it before
civic plume
i dont care. if it happens again im getting a new harddrive considering my ex kept beating my poor girl
mighty galleon
?
civic plume
oh boy i hope i dont find another 180gb of data corrupt again like 5 months ago
mighty galleon
you've had a relationship before?
mighty galleon
im just surprised you've dated
mighty galleon
idk, i didnt think you'd be dating or anything
civic plume
well im not anymore
mighty galleon
finding a way not to sound rude on this is hard
civic plume
im going to repeat what i did from january 28th when i came here to keep myself happy ^-^
no its fine
just not talk about it
swamp can you dm me pls
mighty galleon
lets talk about oclacs feet fetish?
mighty galleon
he seems like the kinda guy that'd like feet
umbral reef
Wha?
mighty galleon
damn thought this could fly low
glossy wharf
read uP OMEGALUL
umbral reef
What sean the fuck
glossy wharf
umbral reef
I like loads but feet aint a thing
mighty galleon
i think you would
glossy wharf
He has a dragon mama fetish
mighty galleon
for lking purple and orange
glossy wharf
HAHAHHAHAHAHAA
mighty galleon
:3
mighty galleon
bye bye feet lover
civic plume
tags tupper
everyone runs
glossy wharf
@umbral reef Its fine we dont kinkshame here, even though your dragon mama fetish is kind of hitting too close to home.
mighty galleon
yeah
i think it plays in with his feet fetish since dragon feet are huge in their dragon form
glossy wharf
yeah this is where im gonna go
mighty galleon
i wish you luck mama
umbral reef
I don't have mama dragon fetishes 
mighty galleon
being wholesome?
glossy wharf
@umbral reef Yeah right 
umbral reef
And I don't have a feet fetish also
mighty galleon
monty whats your age again?
civic plume
65
mighty galleon
good
queen mango
So.. you're probably the oldest regular in the discord.
glossy wharf
64
civic plume
what a brilliant number
queen mango
Suuure, Sai.. Like his pfp wouldn't tell that he isn't in his 60s.
mighty galleon
he's actually the age of elire
queen mango
👀
civic plume
OwO
safe prism
I’m younger than all of you
civic plume
you must be 14
safe prism
I’m 23
mighty galleon
okano so young
civic plume
you lied!
queen mango
Dude.. I'm 16.
safe prism
you took something I said seriously
mighty galleon
monty didnt you know, the older you are the younger?
safe prism
This is already a problem
umbral reef
19 bby
mighty galleon
its why 60's is prime
umbral reef
In feburarie 20booii
mighty galleon
im 21 next month oclac
queen mango
I'll be 17 in Jan. 25th
mighty galleon
elire is such child
queen mango
Biologically, yes.. somewhat of a child, but can get serious sometimes.
mighty galleon
idk why but when i imagine elire saying he can get serious i can then see him argueing over which ringpop is the best
queen mango
umbral reef
I'm mentally a retard kid :^)
mighty galleon
oclac, remember ringpops?
umbral reef
Wa?
mighty galleon
do you not?
umbral reef
Nope
mighty galleon
darn
umbral reef
Fuck man I'm getting triggered here
I'm supposed to get a call but the person ain't calling
mighty galleon
ouch
glossy wharf
@umbral reef You dont have to be ashamed cause of your dragon mama fetish, just dm me about it im sure we can work something out
civic plume
wish colliders werent so buggy uwu
mighty galleon
wish we had some mama sai~
rigid crescent
https://puu.sh/Cj0QW/93dadfe087.png lemme put this on my wall of shame
queen mango
Aww.. why kink shame?
mighty galleon
do it mic
civic plume
aw
umbral nova
Mic please do it
queen mango
Do it, bb.. Kink shame me.
fading osprey
@upper oriole you might just have to play the game to find other Italians 😃
upper oriole
and into vrchat, how can i find italians?
queen mango
Oh, uhh.. should we also post a canny for an Italian language channel?
upper oriole
do i must say all the time pizza mafia berlusconi?
mighty galleon
def not italian
mighty galleon
mic was a wall of mics
twin jacinth
OclacWAT
You have birthday the 20th of february?
queen mango
Oof. Something wrong?
twin jacinth
My Birthday is February 20th
never met someone with Birthday on the same day as me
nothing wrong just cool
queen mango
Okay....
Well, have you heard of city pop?
That's a music genre originating from Japan in the 80s till the 90s
I saw that, Eevee
mighty galleon
monty
umbral nova
Noyoudidn't
umbral reef
@twin jacinthnah I got the 12th
umbral nova
Bring back reactions to General mmmmmm
civic plume
yes
umbral reef
@glossy wharf big bully
mighty galleon
become woman monty
twin jacinth
Oof disappointed
mighty galleon
since when?
mighty galleon
no
civic plume
yeah 💜
mighty galleon
like real grill?
twin jacinth
True
Sure
queen mango
Have you heard of city pop?
twin jacinth
City pop?
Nope o:
What is it?
queen mango
It's a music genre originating from Japan during the 80s to the 90s.
umbral reef
We maybe should yeet to #general-media before we get bullied to it
mighty galleon
bully oclac's feet fetish into random
umbral reef
😡
safe marsh
upper oriole
which are the best games into vrchat?
civic plume
yeah im gona go to #general-media
queen mango
I think he meant by games inside VRChat
umbral reef
Ow im blind 😎
But then its battle disk and battle disk and battle disk
twin jacinth
listened to a bit of it now not really my style of music >.<
queen mango
Oof.
queen mango
I do like the style of it, fits my music tastes unusually well since I mostly prefer VGM and oldies music.
upper oriole
i'm new, what do you do into vrchat if you don't have friends inside?
quartz basin
You make some
safe marsh
You make friends
twin jacinth
I mostly listen to piano on youtube, like anime songs and some classic and umh
Animer she is pretty good
I love the sound track from kimi no na wa
queen mango
Ooh! Piano music!
twin jacinth
Yes!
never get tired of it, i can listen to it all day \o/
queen mango
Btw.. I missed the old VRChat loading screen. It's a pretty nice theme.
civic plume
i keep having bad dreams
mighty galleon
nvm then my method will cause more
civic plume
lol
mighty galleon
just sleep through them , each time you wake up force yourself bac to sleep, you'll get used to them sooner or later
civic plume
but its the same one for 8 months
mighty galleon
oh then thats b/c somethings been bothering you
re-accuring dreams are usually caused by something and lots of dreams have signs what to
civic plume
#random chat