vrchat-general-2

[small wing]

😡

[safe marsh]

Meh, i am gona move on, time to give head pats in vrc

[median basalt]

@rigid crescent do you have the numbers on that then?

[tacit plank]

Only the veteran rank is fairly rare, and you can only see it on the API now

[rigid crescent]

Nope, meaining both our arguments are irrelevant and we're back at square one where neither of us are right

[median basalt]

If you're gonna make a claim like that you should show some stats to back it up

[rigid crescent]

So you stop saying you're righ tI'll stop saying I am :3

[graceful timber]

Moral is. Remove colors. Have a non visible ranking system.

[median basalt]

The people who say it doesn't exist at all are dumb because one anecdote can prove that wrong

[umbral reef]

@small wing Tried to stuff within #vrchat-support yet?
And if so, try using a vpn for a second to see if that fixes it

[iron seal]

do you have a single fact to back that up :denton:

[sullen escarp]

"show me your statistics of this not happening"

[rigid crescent]

You uh....you got any numbers to back that up?

[small wing]

sure thing, lemme just buy a vpn

[umbral reef]

Also lets ask it like this
Would there be any negative change to revert all user colors back beside from friends?

[rigid crescent]

colored names look nicer when i have them on

[topaz panther]

Well.. ima go eat lunch.. I’ll leave y’all with this very important message that will define your experience in VRC..

you are a product of those you associate with

[umbral reef]

@small wing Or youknow dont be a asshole about getting help and use a free one as its temporary anyway

[median basalt]

@umbral reef yep, elitists would have to do more thorough checks before blanket blocking a group of people

[umbral reef]

"They look nice"

Ok anyone else wants to try?

[small wing]

easy block

Ooclac being a douche

[sullen escarp]

when pride month comes around again, can we change all nametags to rainbows?

[small wing]

👌

[median basalt]

Oh look, that's another name call you can add to the list @umbral reef

[graceful timber]

Thanks @umbral reef . At least you read it properly and didnt throw it out of proportion saying I wanna completely get rid of the safety

[median basalt]

I wonder when the mods will step in 🤔

[rigid crescent]

The only thing I've really ever heard towards it is people seeking out more "experienced" users for help with stuff.

[umbral reef]

Eh- That doesnt count as its not bad

@median basalt You seen the server of what i posted today?

[median basalt]

The trust system simply limits content creators that aren't trusted and it creates a toxic environment where elitism thrives

[umbral reef]

None showed or responded at all even after the fact

[iron seal]

how do you pronounce ur name oclac, is it Ok-lack, or Orc-lack

[neon flume]

Awk-lack?

[rigid crescent]

cOnTeNt CrEaToRs

No one is limited. No one is Limited. No. One. Is Limited

[sullen escarp]

oak-loch?

[median basalt]

And I mean content creators as in actual creators, not "strimmers"

[rigid crescent]

If I don't want to see your fucking animations I should NOT be forced to

[umbral reef]

@graceful timber I have to say i am in favor of the idea because i have seen and faced being blocked/muted for being a simple user while everyone else in a instance was higher ranked...

And mainly because i see no negatives for removing them beside on friends

[neon flume]

O-clack?

[umbral reef]

Ok-Lak

[median basalt]

Having anything on you blocked by default is being limited, jump up and down some more but we already had this discussion ages ago.

[sullen escarp]

👌 lock?

[rigid crescent]

Look, all your argument says is that I should be forced to see things I don't want to see.

[median basalt]

What if you had to edit your registry to see avatars below trusted users? Would you still be saying the same thing? "Nobody is being technically limited, stop forcing people?"

It's the same thing except more severe

[umbral reef]

@rigid crescent We dont want to change the ranking system or how it works
All we want is the visuals on the name tags changed

Are there in your opinion any drawbags beside it looking 'bad' (subjective opinion)?

[rigid crescent]

I don't wanna see your particles. I don't wanna see your animations where you dance with some anime girls. I don't want to see it. I'm not interested, and on the off chance I am, I'll show your avatar.

[graceful timber]

No. The argument is. The safety system will be intact just not represented by colors.

Shaders will still be blocked for users.

Etc

[iron seal]

the users will be known by their character, not their colours

[rigid crescent]

Rokk's argument is that I have to absolutely be forced to see anythnig anyone chooses to present to me, malicious or otherwise, because cOnTeNt CrEaToRs

[median basalt]

Thanks for dodging the question my dude, I guess that proves you don't have an answer. The new system limits people.

[umbral reef]

@brisk bone Would removing the colors on the nametags be a problem? And if so what problems would arise?
The same ranks are still blocked so that wont change

[topaz panther]

Also.. just a note... with the safety setting you could still tell who is what ranks solely based on how you set your safety settings

[median basalt]

I put forth a hypothetical scenario that is essentially the same system we have now, except more severe and less accessible

[umbral reef]

@rigid crescent Yea nice for him now quit derailing the argument because you cant argue about it...

[rigid crescent]

What? You're asking if I had to do something similar to the particle limited to see below trusted

[median basalt]

Which is "You can still see avatars below trusted but you have to edit your registry"

[umbral reef]

Please just answer the question i asked as im legit wondering

[median basalt]

Would you still say that doesn't limit anyone even the slightest bit?

[graceful timber]

Same

[iron seal]

it'd be nice if blocked avis were made into default avis instead of the weird blank man

[median basalt]

"You just have to edit your registry, we're not limiting you because you can change it locally!!"

[rigid crescent]

Oh, like I said the main thing I've seen said is people looking for trusted users when they've got questions about shit like they would on this discord if there were "Hey im here all the time" roles, but that's really it.

[graceful timber]

Okay

[sullen escarp]

lol all blocked avatars become nicole avatars

[umbral reef]

Vrchat itself is a game not a support-
If those people really cared about getting help they would find this toxic acting place

[sullen escarp]

no more blocking out of sheer terror

[graceful timber]

Changing it locally wont solve the issue of trusted users blocking visitors

[rigid crescent]

THat's a really poor argument against that already not vital point, but ok...

[graceful timber]

The people who are the problem want the colors. Obviously

[iron seal]

invisible people talking is even scarier

[rigid crescent]

If I wanted help ingame about something, like I had a question about the game, I'd ask someone I knew was experienced.

If I don't know an avatar thing, I ask a friend who knows. If i don't know a solution, I ask someone who's more experienced. If it's in the moment, of course I'll ask ingame.

[umbral reef]

So i find that personally a fairly weak argument if you compare it to the odds of new users being blocked/muted/ignored for there rank and enjoying the game less

[sullen escarp]

time to make a canny post to replace gray blob avatars with cute lolis

[graceful timber]

Still havent answered @umbral reef s question

[rigid crescent]

I'd like a custom "Default Avatar"

[iron seal]

i hate those massive vehical avis

eating up half the map

[rigid crescent]

It'd be a lot more enjoyable for people who do have to block avatars but hate the grayman

[graceful timber]

Okay

[vocal shard]

I don't ignore people and I'm trusted

But you give me a reason to block you

I will because I don't deal with bullshit

[graceful timber]

You are the 10% @vocal shard . Dont say a problem doesnt exist just because a few people

[umbral reef]

But Mic
Beside users potentially having to ask full rooms for support instead of picking who they want for help.
What drawbacks are there to removing the visual part of the trust system while keeping the technical things in place (aka remove name tag colors).

Same goes for anyone else, i legit would love to know and have my mind changed

[tacit plank]

I block some shaders and custom animations, but that's it

[topaz panther]

You can still tell with the colors off

[umbral reef]

As right now its more an eye pleasing thing what is objective (as i dislike the rainbow...)

[rigid crescent]

Oh nothing that's what I was saying

[vocal shard]

My friends are the same

[rigid crescent]

I said that was really the only thing I've heard for it

[umbral reef]

@topaz panther Is that a drawback though? Imo thats a reason to do it even...

[vocal shard]

I don't know who you have seen that ignored people

[rigid crescent]

It's harder to decipher who is who, Fez.

[topaz panther]

Yes

[graceful timber]

@topaz panther of course you can

[topaz panther]

You can still discriminate

[tacit plank]

If people ignore those of lower ranks... Do you want to talk to them to begin with?

[rigid crescent]

That's been my argument from the start.

[umbral reef]

Its not about IF we should have a trust system
Its about the colors of the current trust system

[iron seal]

yeah if people are being rude over such petty shit they werent an interesting person to begin with

[umbral reef]

God sake- You guys legit ignored my question and only reason trust system?

[rigid crescent]

It weeds out the shitty people. If you're going to block me due to my rank, why would I want to interact with you? It quite literally makes you a bad person.

[graceful timber]

Okay

[median basalt]

That's an easy thing to say, but that's not the only reason people blanket block lower ranks

[tacit plank]

I don't usually start conversations with visitors myself though.
They usually have bad mics and they're in Desktop mode. They're just difficult to talk to. You can't really pet them either because they usually have safe-space on.
But I have nothing against them personally

[median basalt]

There are good people who simply have been lead to think they can't be safe if visitor voice is on

[graceful timber]

Is that a reason to oppose oclacs proposition

[median basalt]

If half the lobby has me blocked as a result of this change, it doesn't matter how good those people initially were or not.

What matters is that this change made half the people block me

[graceful timber]

EXACTLY

[median basalt]

(Hypothetically)

[topaz panther]

This whole conversation is about the color of the name tags.. changing the colors will change nothing

[pale hull]

I love helping visitors in the hub that have no idea what they’re doing there

[umbral reef]

And its derailed again 👏 cool

Can we just remove the game flat out?

[graceful timber]

Having colors changes nothing

[rigid crescent]

I really need an entire day where I just disprove this by hopping from pub to pub on a spanking new account and counting the mutes i have

[vocal shard]

You are a visitor for like 5 hours

[median basalt]

I have a friend who's still visitor because he can't get anyone to add him

No pre-existing friends

[pale hull]

Honestly what I’ve noticed is a lot of purple users with crash guns and shit

[rigid crescent]

LOL but how is my account a new user with 0 friends?

[sullen escarp]

can we just make remove colors from vrchat and make the whole game grayscale?

[topaz panther]

@graceful timber you literally just contradicted your entire argument

[rigid crescent]

Im confusion

[graceful timber]

No I didnt

[median basalt]

He has a handful of friends but has been visitor for ages

[topaz panther]

You did

[median basalt]

He doesn't get blocked manually and doesn't use obnoxious public avatars

[graceful timber]

No

[median basalt]

He just starts out mute for at least 10% of the lobby every time

[topaz panther]

You said “having colors changes nothing”.. so what’s the big deal?

[umbral reef]

@topaz panther He is against the colors...
So saying they provide nothing extra to this system is him not contradicting himself..

[rigid crescent]

Then that's an issue with the system. I have 0 friends on my alt and I'm a New User and got it within about 4 or 5 hours.

[graceful timber]

Rehx is the most counter productive person here oh my lord

[rigid crescent]

Rehx, you're like listeinng to half the conversation

[topaz panther]

He literally just said.. “having colors changes nothing”

[graceful timber]

Yeah

[tacit plank]

Rokk is his mic terrible or does he sound like he's 12?

[rigid crescent]

Removing colors causes no problems. Having colors causes problems. THat's his argument.

[topaz panther]

Right.. it’s a complete contradiction

[graceful timber]

What the fuck

[rigid crescent]

Having colors does not change how the system works. It works the same. THat's a true statement.

[topaz panther]

^

[rigid crescent]

But it changes how people act.

[umbral reef]

But take care chat
Everyone is acting extremely childish, cant even stay on topic and just changes things to there own "ow this".
Provides subjective opinions constantly and refuses to even accept anything the 'other side' says.
Starts nitpicking words being said instead of the broader idea and argument

[rigid crescent]

that's what he's saying.

[topaz panther]

Right

[umbral reef]

Legit a grade 5 school class can argue better and have it be more grownup then this

[topaz panther]

So how does changing the color of a tag stop discrimination

[tacit plank]

Because VR people are nicer to play with in general

[umbral reef]

No wonder people refuse to do anything but ask for tech support within here

[rigid crescent]

REMOVING the tag stops it is what he's saying.

[tacit plank]

Easier to interact with

[vocal shard]

Ooh ooh we talking about rank colours!?!

[topaz panther]

But it doesn’t

[rigid crescent]

and why do you think that?

I'm not even against removing the colors outside of some corner cases that I agree aren't a huge deal.

[umbral reef]

_Reads my msgs

Thinks two seconds about what saids

"Ow lets try following the arguing rules!"

Does a 180 the second msg_

[topaz panther]

If I have visitor avatars blocked on default then I know who they are regardless of their tag color

[umbral reef]

Dudes please....

[sullen escarp]

"demolish desktop users"

[iron seal]

my queen, i dunt feel so good....

[rigid crescent]

It's not just about blocking them Rehx...

[graceful timber]

Okay

[rigid crescent]

He's saying they're treated a certain way due to their rank, also they're blocked.

[topaz panther]

Right

[umbral reef]

This is why an active chat mod team would be nice
They can stop this shit and get chat to be less negative and circle jerking

[rigid crescent]

Dude shut up we're having a discussion, you're the only one chimping out

[tacit plank]

I disagree

[vocal shard]

There's this first impressions thing... Some people unconsciously will change how they view someone based on small details. A colour that lables a person can do that

[graceful timber]

WHERE IS PAUL WHEN WE NEED HIM

[tacit plank]

You need mods to regulate and stop regular discussion? That's not healthy for a community

[sullen escarp]

"too many people are typing, we need chat mods"

[umbral reef]

@tacit plank You legit provided nothing but your own personal opinion and experiences to the conversations...

[rigid crescent]

That brings up a point I'd consider. Since we've already got the colors and people "know who to avoid", the ones simply avoiding Visitors and the like will most likely just block them "to be safe"

[iron seal]

press f for paul

[elfin plank]

I'm visitor rank, but I'm the friendliest person there is 😂

[rigid crescent]

if we swap to a colorless system

[umbral reef]

@tacit plank Beside that insulting has happened and namecalling? Nah they should never act /s

[tacit plank]

I have almost 1700 hours, my opinion and experiences are worth quite a lot

[topaz panther]

I’m fine with the tags being whatever color or lack there of.. it doesn’t affect my view or play style.. I can tell your rank with name tags off just bc of the safety system itself

[graceful timber]

Good 4 u.

That's it

[tacit plank]

I don't see any insults, people are taking this discussion fairly well. No rules are broken really

[topaz panther]

Tag color isn’t a problem.. the community is

[rigid crescent]

OK, what would a Visitor look like to you?

[pale hull]

If they’re I gnoring people for their ranks, just don’t talk to them lol. It’s rare you’ll find people who ignore based on what colour you are

[vocal shard]

Gray bot muted

I think it's more for people who are newer to the game. They get the impression that only some are "trusted" and people have visual indicators... It can be a bit much.

[topaz panther]

Default avatar.. voice on

[rigid crescent]

ok, what does a new user look like

[tacit plank]

You could tell new players apart before colors were added. Default avatars, desktop mode, Russian characters and Steam account numbers were all things that people would subcounciously judge you for

[topaz panther]

Avatar on.. voice on

[rigid crescent]

and user?

[umbral reef]

@topaz panther So having no name colored name tags isnt a drawback?
The system still functions, people who want be selective can put effort into doing it prehand (aka blocking ranks fully).
For the people who care a bit less and just block basic functions- Wont it help them prevent bias?

[vocal shard]

Everything on except animation

[topaz panther]

Avatar on, voice on, avatar sound on

[rigid crescent]

ok, so now you cant tell the difference between a user and a new user

[vocal shard]

Right up to trusted

[topaz panther]

Sure I can

[rigid crescent]

and if their avatar doesnt have sound?

Because not everyone has constantly active sound.

[tacit plank]

Removing colors will only make it more confusing. Unless they replace it with numbers. But then it would be the same no?

[topaz panther]

Then they are a user to me

[rigid crescent]

OK, so like I said, you can't tell the difference. Kinda proves my point.

[topaz panther]

But for me it doesn’t matter bc I don’t care what your rank is

[umbral reef]

Unless you block direct visual things like materials (whats pointless... as you can just block animations if you dont wanna crash...) or if they are fully blocked.
You wont see the difference between ranks

Why is this a bad thing?

[rigid crescent]

I still want to see people's blendshape animations, that's part of why

[umbral reef]

@tacit plank Within the menu's and ect they can keep the color
those are not called nametags afterall...

[pale hull]

Imagine levels instead of colours

[rigid crescent]

ears moving, tail wagging, smiles, etc

I just block particles even though no one even uses particle crashes any more, i just odnt care about particles

[umbral reef]

Thats not what gets turned off though with that setting if i recall right

The only thing it should change is the hand animation

[pale hull]

I block everything except for voice and avatar for everyone

[rigid crescent]

oh overrides

[topaz panther]

The solution I’m guessing is to make it so that you can’t discriminate between knowing who is new or not

[iron seal]

im a level 20 vrchat user

[sullen escarp]

bruh you're not even level 30 yet?

[topaz panther]

Which is the backbone of the safety system

[tacit plank]

Orlac, what are you even suggesting? Do you want colors removed while keeping the current system in place?

[umbral reef]

Yes

[dark narwhal]

Ill trade a bit of discimination for a much safer game

[vocal shard]

Wtf

[umbral reef]

Like multiple people have stated before
We want EVERYTHING the same BESIDES colored nametags

[tacit plank]

"We" being you, I suppose

[vocal shard]

That's just stupidb

[rigid crescent]

yes lol

[dark narwhal]

Ya i didnt know i wanted lvls till now

[vocal shard]

No offense

[sullen escarp]

New Rank: Semi-trusted
Shows shaders on half of the mesh

[tacit plank]

People would just start judging more on avatar appearence

[rigid crescent]

also im checking now, i think it does turn off all animations

[umbral reef]

@tacit plank I should have done this earlier but 👏 https://i.imgur.com/BSH1FFY.png nothing lost within this chat

@vocal shard And why is my suggestion stupidb?

[tacit plank]

People want to avoid newer players, the safety system just makes it easier to find them

[vocal shard]

It's roughly shows how long someone been playing longer

It's not just Oclac, i and a a few others were quite vocal about removing the colours and keeping the same safety system when the ranks first came out...
(Maybe we're just a vocal minority... Idk)

[tacit plank]

Because they will remember the moments where a big default avatar walked over to stand on them, and started talking russian in a voice much louder than the rest of the sounds you have encountered that day

[umbral reef]

I dont see any drawbacks of removing it so this is why i have been asking for them... If there is one or multiple ones that are big i will change my opinion asap

[vocal shard]

I like that because I know by that people will be able to help me with certain things more

Due to being in game for longer

[rigid crescent]

yaeh, someone has a navi and i turned anims off and it was static, and i turned thme on and it moves

so it's all custom animations

[dark narwhal]

Ew

[umbral reef]

@vocal shard Just because i use a product more or spend more time making friend does not at all mean im more advanced with it

Its an logical fallacy people make often

[tacit plank]

That's what new players are connected to, and what people are trying to avoid. People don't dislike new players, they're just worried that it's a crasher or troll or somebody not worth interacting with

[dark narwhal]

Not all about whether u are advanced its more about if you are safe to be around

[umbral reef]

And does changing the colors of there nameplate change that? The same blocking system still counts...

If you dont trust a rank enough to be around them you have them already pre-blocked...

[dark narwhal]

Gives people a clear idea of what they are blocking

[umbral reef]

A rank given my a system that is unknown in its actions?

[rigid crescent]

"safe to be around" most crashers seem to be known or higher

The ranking didn't, the ability to block particles and whatnot did

[vocal shard]

^

[rigid crescent]

If your only option was "particles on, particles off, or "Show Avatar" for users" you'd have particles off all the time anyway just to be sfe

[umbral reef]

I wont deny that the ranking system helped with preventing overall crashing and ect

But i feel it also prevents new users from getting into the game and making experienced friends.
I for sure would not have gotten a friends list like i have right now if the system was always like this...

But i also feel that can be prevented if its a tad harder to instantly pick them out
What only now happens because of the name tag colors

[ruby burrow]

I'm going to chime in, in support of the idea of removing tiered nameplates visible over players.
It's not a beneficial thing for the game. Encourages flawed and negative pre-conceptions about players.

[vocal shard]

Just leave it in the social page imo

But it doesn't need to be viable to everyone

[umbral reef]

All that happens is that we cant pick out people on there ranks and dont apply our prejudge and bias towards any rank as squishy said.

[ruby burrow]

I mean just for example, visitor rank is incapable of having a crash avatar. The majority of crashers are trusted rank.

[rigid crescent]

Yep

[dark narwhal]

True

[umbral reef]

Ofcours jamie, that might be best.
If you really wanted to find high ranked friends you could still hunt for them or check fast how experienced someone is

It just prevents bias from happening instantly for a large part of the community

[ruby burrow]

And yet we have people here acting like visitors are a foremost threat to them, whilst also saying they give trusted users free reign.

[umbral reef]

So why are we so harshly against the idea or removing the colors?
I dont see big drawbacks compared to the gains we can make?

[vocal shard]

The same thing people say about visitors getting picked on can be flipped around too. Some are jealous of trused ranks and will pick on them too

[tacit plank]

I don't mute or block avatars on any ranks. I just avoid starting conversations with people who give me a bad expression

[umbral reef]

So for the 6th time.
What are the drawbacks to be against it..?

@tacit plank And you can still do that just fully on there avatar instead of both there avatar and rank

[topaz panther]

That’s prob the best part about the system.. just being able to turn off whatever you want/need off

[rigid crescent]

You'd still be able to do that.

[tacit plank]

You do the same thing in real life. You can tell who's likely arrogant, or aggressive or just hard to deal with by their looks. You sometimes guess wrong, but you're usually right

[umbral reef]

And that is a part of the system taht will still work even once name plates are all the same (beside from friends or ect. I find those extremely useful as it was always a pain looking for friends until the change)

But do you guys understand why we are in for removing the colors now?

Also- The fuck... Look at the top right
No devs or admins

[vocal shard]

O.o

[rigid crescent]

they sleep

[vocal shard]

They've officially abandoned us now...

[dark narwhal]

Cause of the remove admins from discord movement to stop discrimination

[rigid crescent]

lol

[dark narwhal]

Sorry chat mods ur next

[umbral reef]

But mic, il ask you direct then instead of in the group
You get why we are for no colored name tags now? You atleast understand our points?

[rigid crescent]

No I've always understood why, I've just been in the camp that it's not a huge deal.

[umbral reef]

Im not saying its something they should instantly do and give the biggest priority
All i am saying the colors are not neato to have and should be removed once they can

[rigid crescent]

I'm not against it at all though

[umbral reef]

Those are two BIG different things

[topaz panther]

I honestly hope they do change it. There will still be discrimination just based on some other factor. But if it satisfies the masses then who am I to argue.

[rigid crescent]

Yes, and they'll be on things out of people's control

instead of something easily avoided and less widespread.

[umbral reef]

This sounds so much different compared to 20 minutes ago

[rigid crescent]

I can't help someone not liking my avatar's face, or my voice, or my username, or any of the other factos of discrimination

because there's not 10 people chiming in at once

[dark narwhal]

Or one sided shader...sigh

[rigid crescent]

Like name something people would discriminate against Rehx

[umbral reef]

Why you think i said fuck it untill i noticed some people yeet'd after my comment

[topaz panther]

Shaders

Names

Decimation

[umbral reef]

You cant deny how it earlier went was fairly toxic and negative compared to right now where random's could even chime in (even though we are circle jerking right now but eh--, they wont flee atleast)

[dark narwhal]

Cough cough ..personalities

Was it toxic?

[topaz panther]

Could prob do without the sexual references tho

[rigid crescent]

and those things you listed? All out of people's control, for the most part.

I can't help that you don't like my name, or don't like the way my avatar looks (assuming its not intrusive), or how I decimated

[topaz panther]

Shaders and Decimation are totally controllable

[rigid crescent]

I can't help YOUR tastes

[topaz panther]

Right

[dark narwhal]

Lol Rehx we cant save them all

[topaz panther]

We can try! 😓

[umbral reef]

@dark narwhal Name calling, not listening to each other and just repeating your own point without asking for more information or going into a topic, derailing the topic as much as possible
Fairly toxic imo when it comes to arguing.. Or lets say fun or useful are leaps away from chat then

[rigid crescent]

I can't help how you feel about these factors. You're your own person. Don't like my shader, you're free to block avatar, but the issue with the colors showing is that it provides a pre-conceived notion about others

"They'll find something else" is a poor argument. Should we have just never tried to stop crashers back at particles because they moved on to other things?

[dark narwhal]

Oh yeah some one called ur idea stupid...i forgot about that

[rigid crescent]

Should we just stop trying?

[umbral reef]

Blocking for decimation? Hu?

[topaz panther]

Not saying that.. I agree with you completely

[rigid crescent]

It's called reaching lol

[umbral reef]

@dark narwhal Not my name calling- Saying stuff is stupid isnt stupid 👀

[topaz panther]

@umbral reef it would be for lack of proper decimation

[dark narwhal]

Im lost

[topaz panther]

Like mesh mashing

[umbral reef]

Owww like that

[tacit plank]

If you remove colors, you will confuse people. They won't know which avatars have bad shaders, and which are blocked due to their rank

[dark narwhal]

Meshstache

[vocal shard]

i feel kinda abandoned.. i been waiting for help from them for almost 3 days and i want to freaken log in i feel like i wont be bothered with for my issue heh

[rigid crescent]

yes they will

it shows above their head what you have blocked that they're using

[umbral reef]

How wont they know?
As mic said and you cna still check there ranks...

[tacit plank]

Oh right, I forgot about that!

[umbral reef]

@vocal shard What was the problem you emailed them about?

[topaz panther]

@rigid crescent my only argument is that if everyone had the same color tag, you could still mostly tell rank, and thus discriminate. But for newcomers they likely won’t know a ton about how the ranking system works so their first impression would be better as you said.

[rigid crescent]

You can, but it's significantly harder to do. it's all about making things more difficult for bad people

[tacit plank]

Giffany can't log in

[rigid crescent]

they now have to go through the annoyance of going through every users in the room to check if they want to be a prick

[vocal shard]

how both my accounts are stuck in unauthorized mode for 3 days now

even tried a different pc and nope

[topaz panther]

IP ban?

[rigid crescent]

One argument I do have against it, and really the only possible big issue I can think of, is now the people who were just dicks to them will block them outright.

[vocal shard]

dont see why i didnt do anything wrong

[umbral reef]

@topaz panther But you do agree the bias will be less direct and harsh for most of the community?
Because all it does then is make something less bad instead of gone

[vocal shard]

Unauthorized isn't a ban. It will say you're banned

[topaz panther]

I do agree

[rigid crescent]

If there are really all these people who treat people poorly due to rank, why wouldn't they just default block them?

[vocal shard]

i just want a reply if its them or a routing issue or possible modem thing so i can move on lmao

[umbral reef]

So its not a perfect solution but a refinemend what comes to what i said earlier
Its not something that should be THE new change we NEED but more something that would be nice to get

[rigid crescent]

Ddi you email them?

[topaz panther]

Name tags all being the same color will help the situation but isn’t a cure for it.

[rigid crescent]

There's no cure for it.

[umbral reef]

And mic- Plenty do right now and as we cant solve that (its the whole point of the system) why not try to break the bias of some groups being only bad

[topaz panther]

There is.. but nearly impossible

[rigid crescent]

You can't fix people. just because you can't solvea problem doesn't mean you shouldn't mitigate it

[dark narwhal]

The cure is to play a in a private lobby all by urself

[vocal shard]

yeah i think im being avoided i sorta was awkward when i was explaining it but i messed up some of the order of things wanted me to do so i think im paying for that

[rigid crescent]

Just follow their instructions...

[vocal shard]

did reply but i said didnt work so far nothing sense

[rigid crescent]

Ah i see

[umbral reef]

@vocal shard Have you tried to use a free VPN yet or if posible change your IP?

[vocal shard]

i dont really like using free vpn's dont really trust those

oh well ill just wait it out as usual

[umbral reef]

It is a way to find out what is exactly a problem
They are not something you should use long them at all and once your finished you should delete it properly

But some routers change there IP once turned off long enough (few minutes) or a call to your ISP might help

[topaz panther]

If we built a stronger and more positive community and worked together it might help spawn more collaborative environment

[umbral reef]

Well- A group tried to do that with this discord

We got a "K, tnx for feedback. We will talk about it 👋

[vocal shard]

eeps

[umbral reef]

Back even though we wrote like a book worths of problems with solutions and examples and represented a group of over 25 people

But hey- Atleast we got a reply... So that is something for once

[vocal shard]

we need more elins

[umbral reef]

We need more Fpauls, Adverts, Jamies, CtrlSchiftGo's, Hotox's and tuppers within this community

[vocal shard]

ikr

[umbral reef]

Im FAR from perfect but i atleast care about this place
Might show it a bit too much at times but atleast im not here just to argue and insult users or throw my opinion but to play tech support and make friends

[vocal shard]

which is fine yeah. i mean i can sound kinds impatient or snippy or awkward but sadly just way ive been born as

[umbral reef]

Its more aggressive/passionate and upfront really
With some people in here i am extremely impatient because they are a black spot of the community

[mighty galleon]

hi

im awake now

[umbral reef]

Also lets jump towards #general-media if you want to keep talking
Because i can feel ruuubicks stare at us for not talking withi the right channel

[vocal shard]

i can feel the stare it burns

[agile holly]

So, does anybody else just randomly like maybe once or twice get logged out of vrchat, like it sends you to the login window and you have to type everything in again? I also noticed this only happens in lag-free box world and maybe the pug.

[umbral reef]

There are people who can log you out instead of crash within the game
They are (hopefully) working on a fix right now

And most crashers and bad people go towards those two maps so that explains why its mainly in those...

[agile holly]

Ok I kinda suspected that lol but it just didn't happen often enough for me to think somebody could actually log people out.

[brittle hawk]

heyy

[neon flume]

ahoy hoy

[vocal shard]

i really want to smash my face into spikes now

[mighty galleon]

<.<

just find a random guy

[vocal shard]

O.o

not that just really embarrassed now is all

[clever pecan]

I feel like there's an uncomfortable sexual subtext in this conversation and I'm not sure if I want to be involved.

[vocal shard]

no i mean actual metal spikes nothing weird like that

[clever pecan]

I'm sure YOU meant it that way. I'm not sure about SEAN

[vocal shard]

just a saying for when i feel like an idiot lmao

[clever pecan]

Either way I just had my wisdom teeth pulled so I'm probably not very subtle right now.

[vocal shard]

eh it happens im just social awkward i dont mean any harm of course

well im off have fun

[mighty galleon]

just to clerify, i keep metal spikes in my room

[vocal shard]

[clever pecan]

Nothing like a litlle bit of self-impaling after work

[vocal shard]

now i really am going to go now lmao

[clever pecan]

Either that or you have a Messiah complex 🤔

I don't have anything weird in my room like that

I just cover the walls in foam like a SANE person would

So they don't get hurt, of course.

[mighty galleon]

i have one of those spikes you use to keep paper together that you donr need

you can see them in resturuants

[clever pecan]

I just imagine you putting a railroad spike on a stack of 15 prints of the communist manifesto to make sure it doesn't topple over.

[mighty galleon]

no not that type ayme, it a spike you have standing up, and you puncture paper with it, like reciepts you dont need anymore, not a paperweight

[clever pecan]

Oh the ones you can impale your own hands on when you get tired of playing League of Legends

[mighty galleon]

yes

[clever pecan]

Sweet. How many fingers do you have left?

[vocal shard]

His avatars have no hands

[mighty galleon]

counte, 1..... 2....3.... 11

[vocal shard]

[mighty galleon]

true

[clever pecan]

Well at least you have spares

[mighty galleon]

I use Jamie's hands sometimes when I need to grab things

[clever pecan]

Is it like... A psychic thing?

[vocal shard]

Eh?
O.o

,,,⟨\ _ _ /⟩
(っ• ω •)っ what's this*?*

[clever pecan]

I don't know.

I don't know what this is

[graceful timber]

I still dont understand why people think that removing colored nametags will make the game a less safe environment

[mighty galleon]

sometimes theres just some foods you dont want to touch, so i use jamies hands

[clever pecan]

The colored nametags hardly changed anything for me.

[vocal shard]

☝

[graceful timber]

For you

[vocal shard]

They kinda told me who was who

[clever pecan]

Just because you have a janitorial job, Sean, doesn't mean you can just use other people's hands for everything

That's messed up.

[graceful timber]

Yeah and that makes you prejudice

[vocal shard]

And they made me aware of who was more likely to drop an n bomb more than others

[graceful timber]

What?

[clever pecan]

I did end up making some classism jokes about the colored nametags

[vocal shard]

No, like drop a N hard R

LIke fill in the blanks and you'll see why I like the ranking system

It's not about us... Most of us are high enough ranks if wouldn't affect us. But i have seen friends with lower ranks ignored because of the colour... Granted the people ignoring were probably jerks, but the fact that it was based just on a colour says a lot

[clever pecan]

On the other hand

[graceful timber]

You do realize that if someone drops the n bomb. You block them.

[clever pecan]

I'm more likely to approach gray characters and chat to them

Because I want them to feel as welcome as everyone else.

A lot of them seem a little lost 😃

[graceful timber]

You wont be banned for solving your issue as long as you arent supporting it

[vocal shard]

Why would you block someone for dropping the Ningen*?*

Well, that's a different story for me. I'd rather stop it before it happens. I stream on Twitch, and I've noticed people pulling more N bombs out in pubs, where I do stuff

[graceful timber]

I've had a 1 on 1 with a twitch representative about this.

[vocal shard]

Not block, rather mute

[graceful timber]

Yeah you get the point

[vocal shard]

I'd rather be safe than sorry

If you announce you're streaming... You're kinda asking for trouble

Than banned

[clever pecan]

Woa truth

[vocal shard]

Here's the thing, i never announce that I stream, i only do it when I feel like it's good

Vrchat doesn't need to be harshly unharsh, it needs to be more unharshly harsh...

I don't force it down people's throats, fuck that

[graceful timber]

You wont be banned if you mute them. Dont make it a big deal it's what they want. How hard is it to understand

[clever pecan]

Just make sure it's on 18+ and you don't support it

And Twitch won't bump ya for it

[mighty galleon]

Excuse me I am not a janitor I'm a pizza maker

[vocal shard]

Some have the "on air" sign and stuff like that. Lol

Ohhh, I won't get banned for muting them, I know that

[clever pecan]

Because they too know that you can't help the things other people say.

[vocal shard]

@mighty galleon no you're Sean

I'm saying that because some people have been banned over N bombs being dropped from others

[mighty galleon]

I am pizza maker!

[graceful timber]

Exactly @clever pecan

[vocal shard]

Again, better safe than sorry

[graceful timber]

Yeah

[vocal shard]

I understand how Twitch works, no need to rereview the ToS for me

I don't see pizza maker on your name, so youre not pizza maker*!*

Partially understand how it works, I may add

[graceful timber]

You will be banned if

1. You do nothing and laugh
2. You proceed to say the words yourself.

[mighty galleon]

Raahhhhh

[graceful timber]

It's not an instant ban. If you show you do not want it on stream by muting it or leaving there will be no issue.

[vocal shard]

Thanks VRChat Lover, I totally didn't know that before

In other news, ERB is back

[clever pecan]

Oh dear

[vocal shard]

Oh..

[mighty galleon]

Erb?

[clever pecan]

I never have good memories of the revival of shows.

[graceful timber]

It seems like you didnt because you just said you automatically block visitors by there nametag color

Because you dont want to be banned.

[vocal shard]

Epic Rap Battles

[mighty galleon]

Never heard of it

[clever pecan]

K1ndbot, a tip on being charismatic and approachable: Don't just respond in a snarky way telling people that you already know. That's a great way to immediately shut down conversations 😃

[graceful timber]

Blocking mass amounts of players with no reason should be punishable.

[clever pecan]

@graceful timber I disagree, it's none of VRChat's business who you block or not :/

[graceful timber]

It makes the trust system alot more inaccurate

[vocal shard]

Jesus Christ man, I said I like the safety system because I can disable certain things based on what their rank is. Visitors, for me, are more likely to drop N-Bombs. Therefore, I rely on it

You aren't addicted to YouTube, so I Figured... @mighty galleon

[graceful timber]

Okay

[vocal shard]

They revived ERB? Ohhhh Jesus Take the wheel

[graceful timber]

Use custom block. If it's only visitors you dont like block there voice automatically

[vocal shard]

oof

[graceful timber]

Tell me why you need a nametag color to show that

[vocal shard]

I said I block certain parts

rip those poor visitors

irl Tony Stark vs the Zucc

[graceful timber]

Dodged question

[vocal shard]

Jesus man, nametag color is synonymous with rank

[graceful timber]

Tell me why nametag color is useful other than seeing what you already have blocked.

[vocal shard]

tfw you low key get salty if you even see blocked shaders in a vrchat video

Better safe than sorry

[graceful timber]

The rank system is great

[clever pecan]

I generally keep everything off. I like to live on the edge!

[graceful timber]

But

[vocal shard]

“ ”

[graceful timber]

The visible colored ranking system is more problematic than usefull

[clever pecan]

If anything bad happens, I always have the safeword.

[vocal shard]

I block everything for New Users and Visitors except for voices. Avatars are enabled for Users and above

Same. Safety system is completely disabled for me

[mighty galleon]

I have almost everyone's shaders, animations and sounds turn off

[graceful timber]

Okay

Tell me why you need a nametag color

[vocal shard]

I enable everything for friends, but that's it

[umbral reef]

Just to make it clear
He isnt arguing for removing or disabling a part of the trust system beside a visual queue that adds potential bias towards groups of users

[vocal shard]

@umbral reef Thank you

[agile holly]

I only turn off particles sometimes if I see some sketchy ppl

[clever pecan]

@umbral reef And I agree that it doesn't add a lot. At least give us the option to turn it off 😄

[umbral reef]

The same safety settings still count
Ranks still show within menu's and accounts and blocked things never got talked about

[mighty galleon]

Oh I also have particles turned off

[graceful timber]

No option

[clever pecan]

Except for new users! I like approaching them and having a chat about their expectations.

[vocal shard]

Best way to do it... Only block trusteds :P

You can turn it off on your end

[umbral reef]

@clever pecan I am honestly in favor of blocking it by default. But all the power to toggles

[vocal shard]

XD

[graceful timber]

Because the elitists will keep it on obviously

[vocal shard]

And enable everything

[clever pecan]

@umbral reef Agreed 😄

[vocal shard]

So yea, there's ya "off" option

[umbral reef]

But we everyone got that and agree's the system of having colors within nameplayes adds nothing but protentional bias? If so lets drop it-

We are just running repeating the same thing while all meaning the same thing in the end.

[vocal shard]

around and around and around we go

[clever pecan]

With maybe exception for the newbies.

[graceful timber]

I hope this has come to the vrchat teams attention by now

[umbral reef]

It has not- I can tell you that for sure

[clever pecan]

Although I guess it kind of depends on the person they first encounter...

[mighty galleon]

I say oclac is a potential bias ruiner, I say we need go nurf oclac

[vocal shard]

There's already a canny for it from when ranks were first added

[umbral reef]

Unless you email it towards them or make a canny.io post explaining it you wont even get a responds from them let stand an acceptance of what been said

@vocal shard You seen how they handled our complaint...

[vocal shard]

Send them an email if you want it to be heard VRChat Lover, versus bitching about it to us

[graceful timber]

That's what you call a robot company

[vocal shard]

Yeah..

That's what you call a company

They can't immediately solve your issues, since Issues require time to solve

[graceful timber]

Yeah

[vocal shard]

lets cool it down guys

[clever pecan]

Now kiss.

[graceful timber]

Slowmode does that enough

[vocal shard]

Lol

[umbral reef]

No its a company that likes to logg things properly and have everything in official places

If a company does not tell you they only accept information from there official places they are flat out lying and just smooth talking you.

[polar elm]

Vrchat team has alot going on and are extremely busy

[clever pecan]

Decisions like these require: Meetings, plans, scrum planning, changelogs, and update

[vocal shard]

^

[mighty galleon]

jamie go kiss oclac

[vocal shard]

yes, planning and basic planning

[empty wharf]

I’ll do it

[vocal shard]

VEINHELM

[empty wharf]

Ye

[graceful timber]

"I understand, but we use the email for official documentation. We need you to contact us through there." ~Tupper

[vocal shard]

MY MANNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNn how are you

[empty wharf]

Oh Kind, I have a new animation

[vocal shard]

Dude

Show me it later, I'm gonna get smash so I probably won't be on

[umbral reef]

I aint lewding anyone sean

[vocal shard]

You do some amazing fucking things tho Vein, don't kid yourself

[empty wharf]

Aight. I’ll probably be on 3-6 hours from now

[clever pecan]

@graceful timber They probably do that because they can link e-mails to trello stories or their own issue management system.

[empty wharf]

Yee

[clever pecan]

It allows complaints and new feature requests to be handled properly.

Without any slipping through the cracks

[graceful timber]

Makes sense

I understand now

[umbral reef]

Also VRC lover, i am FAR from a fan of how things are myself and how we need to reach them about anything.
I can write a whole essay on why i hate it and another one on why i dislike it
But that does not change how it works and if we want them to change things we need to play by there rules

[clever pecan]

All companies do this actually. No matter where you contact them with a complaint, they usually ask you to make a ticket on their website

[graceful timber]

Yea

[vocal shard]

Yea, they have to think about things

[graceful timber]

I'd just like to see some more officials getting into this conversation

They know more about the system than any of us.

[vocal shard]

the missing context is that all the official steps for some of these complaints were all done months ago, and recently as well... Some things are.... put aside for latter

[graceful timber]

Uh. Have you not read oclacs messages.

He expresses my point better than i do

[umbral reef]

The main reason this stuff needs to be on email is because important things take big changes
And big changes means they have to ask higher ups for support
And having proof of users wanting change is the one way to get internal things going at all really

[clever pecan]

Who?

[umbral reef]

@brisk bone You havent heard what I started?

[subtle prawn]

Randos

[clever pecan]

Anyway, I think there's more important things to fix... Regarding performance stuff. If that's possible

[vocal shard]

@brisk bone Here you go sir, here's a medal. This community is exactly how you said it is

[graceful timber]

Fez werent you saying that the ranking system made the game much more playable

[vocal shard]

Thank you for getting that out man, that's how I feel as well

VRCHAT LOVER STOP STARTING ARGUMENTS THAT YOU PULL OUT OF

[umbral reef]

I been ~~training to become a pokemon master by ~~ collecting regulars that want change within this discord
We got a neat list of over 25+ regulars by now... So pretty much everyone

And if i had that power i would do it fez-

But odds of me being banned pulling that off is insane 👏

Ow no- We play there game though

[vocal shard]

when people get together, great things happen, which is why we shouldn't debate rather have a nice discussion

[umbral reef]

We just have a large group to represent instead of just my opinion

[vocal shard]

Collecting people and sending an email isn't the right way?

[queen mango]

Holy shit. What did I just come into?

[umbral reef]

Il be happy to send you the email we provided- Its not childs play

[graceful timber]

I can get a couple streamers

[umbral reef]

Streamers dont give a fuck about this discord

[vocal shard]

The streamers don't come here...

[graceful timber]

Not just telling them. But giving them the idea

[vocal shard]

Streamer here, I just haven't fucking metnioned that I do since I don't fucking cram shit down people's throats

[ancient thicket]

Is anyone good here at Unity?

[umbral reef]

And we have a few--
But we dont want to cause a shit storm as the odds of some people being banned for causing it is bigger then i want to risk myself 👏

[graceful timber]

It's a discussion

[clever pecan]

In a game about community

[vocal shard]

I prefer people to enjoy VRChat nicely, I'm not gonna cram my crappy Twitch stream down someone's throats all for the name of a follow

[graceful timber]

If anyone gets banned after a generally educated discussion then theres an issue

[clever pecan]

The big influencers hold the most power 😃

[vocal shard]

VRChat straems are about the people you meet, not you ranting about stupid shit

VRChat is VR Social Space

[umbral reef]

@brisk bone Mods cant punish if they arent active

[ancient thicket]

I have a Problem with Unity atm, does annyone work well with it?

[vocal shard]

i think this is all getting misunderstood and people are drawing their own conclusions

[queen mango]

Jeez.. I think this is starting to get really heated up here.. 🤔

[umbral reef]

And if they are active enough to see them- Good, we got some left over chat earlier today when none replied and users who need some warnings 👏

[graceful timber]

@ancient thicket

[umbral reef]

And they can shush this down

[graceful timber]

Sure

[vocal shard]

yuh

[graceful timber]

Way back when this started I dmd tupper and told him to read the vrchat general chat it's getting pretty interesting

[queen mango]

He didn't see it, did he?

The dms, that is...

[vocal shard]

yea

He has Do Not Disturb on for a reason

[queen mango]

Well, I had some concerna regarding chat moderation, after what happened here last week.

[feral ginkgo]

Anyone else experiencing constant timeouts in the game?

[queen mango]

Hmm.. Who's still testing the Open Beta?

[rotund wren]

@feral ginkgo yeah

[runic reef]

yup

[queen mango]

Same here

[rotund wren]

My friends are having the issue right now they're constantly timing out. I haven't yet.

[umbral reef]

Nothing you can do about that sadly right now

[feral ginkgo]

Is admin team aware? Do we ping them in such situations or what?

[umbral reef]

Just sit tight and wait it out

[rotund wren]

They're probably suffering from another DDOS attack. Once the migration sets in you guys should be fine.

[feral ginkgo]

DDoS protection though..

[umbral reef]

Ddos protection means flat out blocking ip's though
What can cause this

[feral ginkgo]

Not in 21st, no

[rotund wren]

Yeah they're is protection but sometimes when an attack is sent it may take a few moments for the protection to detect it is an attack and start the migration.

@umbral reef that is not how it works

[feral ginkgo]

Lucifer that I'm aware of, yeh

[vocal shard]

DDoS protection doesn't outright block a large amount of data/stress, it may be able to divert it/block part of it, but not entirely

It's more of an insurance thing than a definite safeguard

Right?

[umbral reef]

Normally? No i know that doesnt work like that.
Within this team? I honestly wont be amazed if what i joked happens with the amount of users unable to connect from the same locations... And the second they change ip's/vpn can play again 👀

[rotund wren]

They basically receive a lot of traffic and the protection sorts through it and migrates the traffic that is the attack else where. Very basic description.

[feral ginkgo]

How is cloudflare doing it anyway?

I forgot but last I heard they had some good mitigation tools

[vocal shard]

Basically, DDoS protection is like taking a beam of light and redirecting it while still being hit by it

Bad comparison, but yea that's what I can gather. Don't quote me since I'm pretty sure I'm off

[rotund wren]

I think cloudflare is doing pretty good for sites

not sure if they work with anything else

[vocal shard]

Cloudflare is pretty gud

[umbral reef]

I know cloudfare shares suspect to other servers also so they are easier to defend again next time

[vocal shard]

Gotta agree

[umbral reef]

What else they do and use compared to others- No idea

[rotund wren]

OVH has some really good protection if vrc ever decided to open up some servers in europe so we don't have 200pings 😦

[vocal shard]

Well, a lot of peeps use em, so they must be doing something right. Amen

God damnit, getting time outs again... this is why i quite vrchat 1 year ago and still have server problems :/

• quit

ops yeah lol

Sorry mate, had too

[umbral reef]

@vocal shard They went away but returned recently

If you joined 6 months ago all was aye owkay

[vocal shard]

i thought i can make a solid comeback lol

and then this Q_Q

FeelsBad

[tawny pendant]

is anyone else just timing you all the time?

[naive crypt]

yeah, timeout every 1-2mins

[graceful timber]

Meep why you do this

[queen mango]

I saw that

[queen mango]

Dunno.. I was able to connect fine today

[feral ginkgo]

yah

another one

[digital sparrow]

Does vrchat use Ghost Connections to simulate activity i.e. fake playercount?

It always says theres like 7000 people playing but theres rarely enough worlds populated to make it 7k

[queen mango]

Most probably so..

Then again, maybe not

[earnest harbor]

Haven't seen active players sitting at 7k in a long time, only see it at 2 or 3 k which seems a lot more likely

[digital sparrow]

I mean steam says its 6-7k on a daily basis. But the ingame experience doesnt reflect that

[vocal shard]

Most are in private worlds though. According to steam charts, 7k average and 8-9k on the weekends is what it reads

[earnest harbor]

Is that average concurrent, or unique players?

[digital sparrow]

simultaneous

[safe marsh]

the pug,presentation,box alone are average 1.5-2k ...plus a bunch scattered around, i dunno , id say 3k-4k is what it feels real

still i see the same faces very often to be such a high number

[digital sparrow]

I see the same people everyday, pretty muc hregardless of world

[safe marsh]

touché lol

[vocal shard]

But it dropped to 4k when we had server issues... 🤔

I thought steam charts just counted how many accounts were playing vrchat at the moment. Nothing running through vrchat servers or anything. Just what steam sees as users with vrchat open

[nimble mirage]

man unity is so damn slow

"I thought steam charts just counted how many accounts were playing vrchat at the moment. Nothing running through vrchat servers or anything. Just what steam sees as users with vrchat open"

That's what steam charts does.

If someone has the process open on their computer steam will mark them as playing it.

[digital sparrow]

Dont think that many people run the game from the vrchat client outside of steam though.

[nimble mirage]

Some might, especially those using sandboxed clients for whatever reason.

I don't know why people would, other than that, so it's a good point

[vocal shard]

Some oculus users run it outside of steam for better performance

[digital sparrow]

I never noticed any additional performance outside of steam with my Rift.

[vocal shard]

Idk, i just know some do. FPaul does that

[rigid crescent]

Most of them are in friends+ And private.

That's why it appears to be so few.

Probabky more in friends+ than private though

I mean I see the same people in friends+ a lot of the time because many friend groups connect, even if coincidentally.

And obviously the private rooms people join are most likely your on your friends list.

[flint plume]

Can you play vr chat outside of steam

Like a different app

[umbral oracle]

Kind of. Vrchat supports url handlers so you can start it from the browser at vrchat.net - if you use vr, steamvr will still open steam. If you play desktop mode it shouldn't be required if you login via vrchat

[sour furnace]

is there smooth movement for Rift? As opposed to the arc movement

[rigid crescent]

its on the settings

called holoport, turn that off

[fluid prawn]

yo, idk where to put it. When I go on the VR Headset I get really shit ping and disconnections but on desktop I get my normal stable ping

[mighty galleon]

oh, do you switch from the vr to desktop via button often?

that happens on my vive

[vocal shard]

Oi... What happened to Sean?

[mighty galleon]

someone typo's my name, i am now a new person

[vocal shard]

XD

[fluid prawn]

I have WMR. I usually open the portal, then the WMR for SteamVR, then open VRChat

[vocal shard]

You shouldn't need to launch wmr for steamvr. That's just supposed to be installed and left alone and not opened. Just let steamvr run

I start with everything closed, and just launch vrchat from steam. Then the wmr portal and steamvr open on their own

[fluid prawn]

Hm

But sometimes the boundary is lost and needs to be tracked again but I'll try it a bit later

[vocal shard]

You can launch the portal first, and then launch vrchat from steam, and steamvr will open on its own. So that way you know the boundary is set

[mighty galleon]

lauching a portle keeps making me think you have a portal gun

[vocal shard]

Lol

[signal thunder]

would be cool to have an animation like that for putting portals down

[hollow umbra]

When people sees my avatar, they always say “drop the portal”

When there is a huge 3d watermark above my head

I don’t know if these people are illiterate or blind

[vocal shard]

Probably just figure you have it favourited and its easier for you to drop it

[hollow umbra]

It’s a private avatar

[vocal shard]

Ok... You didn't specify that in your comment

[mighty galleon]

jamie

[vocal shard]

Eh

[mighty galleon]

can i get in your vacation

[vocal shard]

tis for me. N me alone!

[mighty galleon]

ok

[vocal shard]

Lol

[mighty galleon]

was worth the ask

[vocal shard]

👌

[earnest harbor]

Oh, he wants in your vacation, that's hot.

[mighty galleon]

and i want IN your mind

[earnest harbor]

But should ask in pm over general

[mighty galleon]

nah

if ima do it, better do it in public

[vocal shard]

why me

Lol

[mighty galleon]

b/c you're still the discord pet

mine specifically

[vocal shard]

[mighty galleon]

dont you remember?

[vocal shard]

nope! Totally. No idea what you mean

[mighty galleon]

@umbral reef

isnt jamie the discord pet, for everyone can pet him

[covert linden]

I can confirm but im not oclac

[ember forum]

pat pat

[mighty galleon]

wait ash

how long have you been a part of this discord

[vocal shard]

🤔

what did i do to deserve this... I just try to be a nice guy

[mighty galleon]

-claims jamies as my child-

i shall now teach you in the ways of dean

[flint plume]

Is there a way to use avatars from a private world?

[mighty galleon]

-claoms juvia as secondary waifu-

[flint plume]

Juvia is a great waifu

[vocal shard]

You need to have at lease new user rank and be playing on a vrchat account, not a steam account

[flint plume]

Alright

[mighty galleon]

she is good waifu b/c she is kinda like a stalker yandere

[flint plume]

If i make a vr chat account do i keep my skins?

And yes

[vocal shard]

You can upgrade your steam account to a vrchat account by pressing the upgrade button in the settings menu. It will transfer your friends, trust rank, and i think favorites... I don't know about favorited avatars though

[mighty galleon]

jamie serious talk though

what name do you think suits me

[flint plume]

Thank you

[queen mango]

What have I just read above?

[fleet ice]

interesting read

[sleek bone]

Why so many russians in public instances

[pseudo basalt]

They're all over free games

[ember forum]

vr is expensiv doe

[pseudo basalt]

Most I see are in desktop mode

[fleet ice]

im not saying all but a vast majority of them i've encountered are rude

[pseudo basalt]

Here we go

[fleet ice]

lmao unless you're on their good side theyre chill

[earnest harbor]

So if you're on their bad side they're not chill.... what?

[fleet ice]

ah, dw didnt think this'd be a sensitive subject lol

[ember forum]

wat

[true sky]

today has been the best day ever

found a mirror world

[fleet ice]

sounds trippy

[true sky]

@foggy raven your a legend for best mirror

[foggy raven]

lol thanks

[true sky]

all i ever need in a video game

[foggy raven]

i will add link for the creators logo and 3d logo later

[true sky]

i do have a model in my test map with the logo spinning on top of them 😛

bring the experience with you ;D

[vocal shard]

are vrchat registrations down? my friend cant create an account for some reasonm

[umbral reef]

What isnt working then?
Does he not get any conformation email, does it not allow him to get to the page?

[vocal shard]

the cogwheel is just spinning around on the registration page

it wont stop, and he clant click Create Account

[umbral reef]

Has he tried on another browser yet?

[vocal shard]

yes

[umbral reef]

I cna acess the register page just fine

[vocal shard]

try to create an acc

[umbral reef]

Does he use .net or .com?

[vocal shard]

the cogwheel is spinning and wont stop

[umbral reef]

The cogwheel for chose a username?

[vocal shard]

yes

and email

[umbral reef]

They both work fine for me...

Get him to clear his cookies for all VRC pages

[vocal shard]

he sent me an gif and its realy just spinning an nothings happening.. https://i.imgur.com/LqSJuQa.gifv

[umbral reef]

Again, did he use the .com or .net
And asking again to be sure, he did try it on diffrent browers right (firefox, chrome and ect)

[vocal shard]

he tried: firefox, chrome, edge and he cleard all cookies on all browsers

he used .net and .com

both not working

[umbral reef]

Then i have no idea- Only thing i can think off is him using a vpn or something like that
But everything works fine on my side with and without vpn so

[vocal shard]

hm..

[umbral reef]

Why is it that we can see the amount of private users within a type of world on the website but not ingame
Ingame we get the total of all users private and public

[subtle prawn]

I wish it didn't show the private users. What's the point of telling me how many are private if I can't interact with them anyway
Show public count only!

[true sky]

Plus private count is quite inaccurate

1 joins and it's near 40 people in private

[queen mango]

Means, for every 1 person in private, there are 40 bots.

Is it not?

[true sky]

It's an estimated amount

I don't remember how many when there is 1 in public world

[scenic drum]

ok just got on vrchat some dude walks up to me and goes "on behalf of our game i hope you enjoy your log out" and it booted me from the game and i had to re sigh nin

[ember forum]

[small wing]

Sounds like internet terrorism to me. 😩

Typical script kiddies.

Get on my level and code a autokey that lagswitches your internet whenever someone messes with ya. 👌

"can't mess with me when im not actually online"

[hollow surge]

🤔

that's
that's not how sessions work

[safe marsh]

[twin vessel]

Shut up roll

He's been a general nuiscance in every discord he's in

[umbral reef]

Being mean to him in here wont help though...

[twin vessel]

Idk, seeing him angry is fairly good entertainment

[umbral reef]

Do it somewhere else then please~

[twin vessel]

I fear he'll get angry regardless

[queen mango]

Roll?

Well.. He has seen some stuff.

[signal thunder]

sounds like ptsd

[queen mango]

Well, no.. It's just that he has seen this situation pop up a lot around him.

[dark wadi]

@umbral oracle @crystal crag sorry to ping you guys but wanted to follow up on audio settings test. Using 96khz 16bit stereo mic -> virtual audio cable 1 @96, 16, st -> virtual audio cable 2 @48, 16, mono-> VRC using virtual mic input... worked without bad distortion/clipping. karaoke'd for like 5 hrs straight without anyone complaining

think the 16bit / 48khz is the ticket

[umbral nova]

If there were users named 96 or 48

[dark wadi]

[umbral oracle]

@dark wadi how do you get multiple virtual audio cables? Just curious. I'm surprised you can't do it with one

[dark wadi]

used an old paid VAC program i had to make two: https://vac.muzychenko.net/en/

but yeah may be able to with one- just was having trouble for some reason! thats my next goal....

need to karaoke was greater than need to perfect hahahaha

[misty hound]

🥚

[umbral oracle]

Still a nice find. Your audio hardware is too good for vrchat haha

[crystal crag]

@dark wadi hey thanks for letting me know!

[vocal shard]

hey guys i finished a avatar in unity how do i go about sending it to a friend so they can upload it. i tried going into my project file and dragging it from assets to mediafire then sending them the link. it didnt work

[fringe talon]

export your project and scene as a unitypackage

[vocal shard]

how do i go about doing that

[fringe talon]

https://i.imgur.com/UuBfIt5.png

just remember to save your scene first :P

and you basicly select what you want to export

like i guess your friend already has the vrcsdk on his side so you dont need to package that with it

[vocal shard]

thankkk youuuuuu i just sent lady deadpool through discord 🙂

[fringe talon]

np

[vocal shard]

Could someone help me with finding the Openvr input emulator.

Cant find it

[rough pulsar]

@vocal shard check pinned messages in #full-body-tracking, links to it and fixes for latest SteamVR changes

[safe marsh]

man yday someone was doing some crazy stuff, that person literally made the avatar jump and grab onto my shoulders

how the heck does that even work o-o 2000iq full body skills? so confused lol

[cinder totem]

Very careful room positioning irl and something to jump onto at the avatar position like a couch or bed

[vocal shard]

😋

[safe marsh]

owo

[vocal shard]

When someone blows over the mic behind me i can feel the air

Or if someone is sitting on me

[safe marsh]

Oofie

nice brain u have

[vocal shard]

Lol

[safe marsh]

I can feel touches pretty much everywhere but that's it

so i abuse cuddling OwO

[vocal shard]

😋

[stiff tree]

Avatar collision and haptic feedback when

[safe marsh]

my brain is fucked up enough to get me tricked into believing im feeling it

[woven copper]

Is possible to change the name of an acc? >-<

[safe marsh]

but that would be awesome lol

[stiff tree]

Touching people in VR just seems weird to me because you go right through

[safe marsh]

do u have phantom touch?

[vocal shard]

😋

[stiff tree]

What's that?

[safe marsh]

Coz if u do, all u gotta do is practice the 'no cliping' part of it

oh, and find the right person

some people just know how to cuddle in the 'same frequency'

Phantom touch is when someone touches you and your brain tricks u into believing u are actually being touched...me for example, i feel the area warm up / get tingles

[shy apex]

I have 100 hours in Vrchat now :D

[vocal shard]

Ill have 2000 hours eventually

[shy apex]

Jebus

[stiff tree]

I just became a user

What exactly are the thresholds for the different ranks?

[vocal shard]

Hours friends avatars worlds

Get alot of each

1300 hours xD

[earnest harbor]

801 😄

[olive mulch]

yeet

anyone alive?

[stiff tree]

Yes

[olive mulch]

cool

#vrchat-support ?

[stiff tree]

#world-development might be faster for a response

[oblique knot]

I'll repost there, thanks.

[sterile drift]

@vocal shard Hours don't matter.

If it were a person like me who plays this game nonstop, they'd get rankups in a heartbeat

I started at the beginning of this year and I have 3,152 hours now

[vocal shard]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/499657029976195085/521080264944779265/47572884_10215063618078067_7535439903727812608_n.png

[umbral nova]

Excuse

#general-media @vocal shard

[stiff tree]

I have a new avatar to request now

[umbral nova]

aPot, have you considered joining the VRC Traders discord?

[stiff tree]

What do you guys trade

[umbral nova]

@vocal shard Also to further this, you technically don't need worlds either. I currently have no published maps for VRChat.

And aPot, it's a place where you can comisssion artists of all sorts to make you an avatar.

Don't expect it to be free though

...or cheap

[stiff tree]

Thanks for the info! But, I was joking when I said I had a new avatar to request. Was referring to the picture MJA posted

[umbral nova]

O h

Well regardless, the link to join VRC Traders is in #community-servers-old

And by artists, I mean that. There's all sorts of things people create there. 2D illustrations, actual custom 3D models, and shaders

Again, don't expect that stuff to come cheap

[vocal shard]

@umbral nova spreading misinformation to prevent people from getting veteran 👌

this guy knows

[umbral nova]

L O L

[burnt frigate]

anyone else getting constant disconnects?

[umbral nova]

Far from it

I have Trusted

[vocal shard]

cant let the normies get veteran

[umbral nova]

And no worlds

[stiff tree]

So it's just friends and avatars?

[umbral nova]

Alright buddy w/e you say

@stiff tree Nonno each factor does help

[vocal shard]

i guess its trusted* now

[umbral nova]

Except for hours

[vocal shard]

hours friends and avatar uploads

upload 100 avatars in 1 day and you will get trusted

[stiff tree]

Gotta friend them all then

[umbral nova]

Hours for rankup is misinformation

[vocal shard]

Nobody knows for sure... So anything said that is unofficial is speculative... Although it might be accurate

[umbral nova]

@vocal shard Also not true

Low effort avatars aren't counted as such, at least I believe

[vocal shard]

Some things that were stated was that things like mass friending will not boost ranks faster ...

[umbral nova]

And if not, spamming uploads can restrict uploading rights too

[vocal shard]

upload an avatar... then add a hat to it... upload again put a different hat on it

add a sword

[umbral nova]

Low effort lmao

[vocal shard]

[umbral nova]

What was I thinking making all these Pokemon trainers

[vocal shard]

just mkae a bunch of pokemon trainers and pokemons

[umbral nova]

Could've just made a bunch of TDA edits

Honesty though it's kinda hard to create a custom Sun and Moon trainer

[vocal shard]

just do headswaps

[stiff tree]

Just change the skin color

[umbral nova]

Not the putting them together

[stiff tree]

100 different colors

[vocal shard]

make a bunch of weird avatars

[umbral nova]

But actually texturing them correctly

[vocal shard]

use heads as body parts

[umbral nova]

I mean I make weird avatars all the time

Jamie can confirm

[vocal shard]

so to counteract some comments about needing tonnes of content... I'll tell my stuff..
I have 450 hours, about 30 avatars, and 3 private maps... And am trusted... So those are all lower than what most people would say is required. I think a big part is who you spend time with and how they interact with you. Like if you are with a bunch of people in public maps and you get friend request and aren't being blocked/kicked, that might have a big part of ranking up faster... Since the whole point of it is your "trust"

[umbral nova]

Also I just thought of this. Kuro, how can you accuse me of spreading misinformation when technically even the devs themselves don't fully know how it works?

[stiff tree]

what

How would the devs not know?

[umbral nova]

Also yea, what Jamie is saying makes sense too.

aPot, the devs probably shoved it out of their minds after coding it so they can't abuse it themselves

Not sure who actually made the algorithm

But Tupper himself said he has access to the code, he can view it any time

He just chooses not to so he can keep the system vague

[stiff tree]

So the devs have to rank up themselves?

[umbral nova]

Not necessarily

[vocal shard]

Devs have their own rank

[queen mango]

To distinguish themselves from us

[umbral nova]

Well they DO have their own rank but they usually just show their player rank instead