#vrchat-general-2
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its a l i v e
its a guy!
people who go up the stairs 16 steps at a time ๐ค
i can go down 16 steps at a time
same
S l o w m o d e p o g g e r s
@umbral reef
@glossy wharf
wa
im bored, help me
what the fu
I've read that, at least on Oculus Rift, the Steam VR interface takes up ressources.. Do you know if it's possible to start VRC in VR mode outside of Steam?
did that really just get automodded
wait what?
whatever

@tiny ginkgo I think there is a way, its not recommended though.
Oh okay. Do you know why it's not recommended?
Pretty sure you need to unplug your monitor to be able to run it in vr outside of steam
or it just straight up refuses to run in vr and only runs in desktop mode
Oh wow
you could also try running it straight from oculus home?
OpencOMPOSITE
I tried OpenComposite but I don't think it supports VRC
You can play Steam games without using SteamVR.
And if I start it in Oculus home it boots Steam
It does
Oh really?
I used it myself
Then I must have simply done something wrong. I will give it another shot.
isnt opencomposite that super unstable steamvr bypasser that doesnt support most games
It worked splendidly for me.
im thinking of selling my trackers
well if it can just get me in the game I don't need all the SteamVR extras. I am craving performance optimizations
Sometimes my "window" into VR simply hangs and my hands lag around.. It's crazy
It's useful if you want to use 3 touch controllers.
If it's the dashboard that's giving you trouble, you can kill it in your processes as well.
syn, why does your name sound familiar
The Steam VR dashboard, Syn?
Hm I think it's Steam VR as a whole.. That's how I read it, that it's an unnecesarry layer on top of the Oculus SDK
i mean its a layer that integrates the oculus into the steam system
giving you options to use stuff like advanced settings and playspace mover
and things like ovrdrop
Its a useful layer for the majority, and the performance increase from disabling it is minimal
Okay, if the performance increase really is minimal I will let it stay.
I just want to do everything I can to avoid these crazy "freezes" i'm having
!cleancache
You can clean cache by deleting everything within C:\Users\%Username%\AppData\LocalLow\VRChat\vrchat apart from output_log.txt and config.json if you have them
tried this?
Hm not after getting VR. I used to do it on desktop every two weeks or so
sai question
how much do you think you should sell a vive thats like new with every thing and three trackers
Yeah I'm messing around with the supersampling also. It's a home built spec with 1060, 8 gigs of ram and a fast enough cpu. It runs all other applications super smooth so I'm only messing around with VRC (my favorite app ^^)
8gb of ram is probably where you are bottlenecking, what cpu is it
so 720 for the whole thing? i was thinking 600 in total
I'ts an i5 clocked to 4.2 ghz
or 650
yeah thats probably your bottleneck
bottleneck?
just start at max and gradually drop the price
Not you i answered nassachi
oh ok
Sean, you put your price always higher than what you wanna sell, people will message you and go with a lower price, then you go down a bit from your higher price
and you keep going until you have them at the price you wanted.
ohh ok
why tho
it might simply be a hardware issue although it runs other games on ultra (Witcher etc) without trouble. Maybe going to 16 gigs of ram could help VRC since it seems like a lot of the textures are huge
im just thinking of doing it b/c i dont have the time to get find people to re rig all my stuff and i enjoyed rift more, so i was thinking of going back
do a mixed setup
^
keep vive as backup
ehh, i dont really have the money to be wasting to have both since im paying off my laptop
you might wanna keep the vive for when the knuckles come out
I can sit in Oculus home and just pick stuff up and decorate for hours.. I love those knuckles
-only have vr for vrchat and even then, i rarely get on-
Yeah then it's a little expensive to have lying around..
Nassachi, not talking about the oculus controllers, we are referring to valves in development knuckles controllers.
ive played vrchat for over a year and i only have near 500 hours
Yeah I know but I assume they will be a bit similar in feel to the Oculus ones ye??
just from the name at least
-i also cant put screws in the wall so the vive sensors arent usable
But Sean maybe the best idea is to sell it, and then if you want to join again next year or the year after, maybe there's new hardware out there
You can probably use M3 Tape
That's how I hang my Rift sensors on the ceiling
the hells that
It's just double sided tape basically, but it's super strong
if its hard to get off the walls or leaves a mark i cant use it
that... looks umcomfertable
i like the strap.
The ergonomics on that look amazing
It's always a little uncomfortable to throw stuff with the Rift Knuckles
they are super comfortable.
whats the middle thing between buttns and controll sticks suppost to be
and the tracking of your finger movements is fucking amazing
where you rest your thumb
oh
will it work with the vive though?
yes
sweet
thats coming out anytime soon though righ?
yeah no, im not the patient type
Knuckles controller will come out with the Valve HMD.
Plot twist, they will not be compatible with either Rift or Vive.
welp
Considering how long until a Valve HMD might be a thing im prolly gona be ready for an upgrade
can't wait for a HMD where Pixels aren't visable .-.
oh for the vive?
@quartz basin they are compatible with the vive, thats literally what developers use for it right now.
For now.
<.< >.>
And it will stay like that, its a steamvr solution.
i found a cool looking phone
It's probably trash.
Uh, let me judge your phone. Which one do you want to buy?
i dont really wanna buy it, since im never buying a new phone till this current one fully breaks
but it is this https://aermoo.com/products/aermoo_smartphone_m1
Everything appears to be solid. You may get some complications with several apps due to the MTK chipset. Also the Camera really isn't great.
i dont use apps or camera's xD
I am still waiting for a good linux phone
im not a phone person, my phone is just to make the one call a month and to do the rare text
No idea why you would get such a rugged beast, then.
i like the look of it and the sos function of it
All phones need a sos function nowdays right?
idk?
but that phone has a button to where if you hold it dwn for like 7 seconds it sends out an sos
O h what could go wrong
Sos cant help you without signal
I dont know what sos service is it
it must be somethign like 911, if you dont have coverage you can still call 911
people use satalite phones in the middle of the woods for emergencies
Oh usa stuff cant talk there then
But prob is
Looked at the specs
But waterproof is a lie
Its water reppeling
i never had the water proble
have had my phone for two years, havent dropped it once or damaged it
it still looks like new xD
Yeah i dont get why ppl say waterproof tbh
they should say water resistent, but not waterproof
Yeah
but yeah i dont much like phones, i only have mine for work calls practically
-time to hax heartlexx's phone-



@elder quartz

perhaps somewhere in the future because I'm out now
damnit
I also realized they changed the timer from 30 to 5 seconds
@gaunt scaffold every android is a linux phone ...
?
you said you are waiting for a linux phone
every single phone with android is a linux phone
i know my phones made by htc other then that idk what it is

hi ghosto
Yo
when do i get your love
๐
<.< at least i aint asking for your love sai
can somebody get this man some hugs, love and pats..
yeah
@glossy wharf yes but i mean for different kernel
??????????????????
linux phone but not the linux kernel
so not a linux phone???????
Should have said so welp fu ma phone that just corrected
When im back from work il be more specific to hard to write on a phone.
Sorry for the confusion
moo
What i mean is a unfucked version of the kernel
oh
android is literally a proper linux kernel and if you make your custom rom its unfucked.
if you want linux on a phone but not android you basically want linux on a phone but not linux.
soo, have no phone
Uh i dont want to explain it rn way to hard
Atleast to properly explain it withput throwing alot of questions and confusion around
If you want actual linux on a phone, check out Sailfish X on some of the sony xperia phones. :V
gallium
yes
check out ubuntu phone which was ditched.
how much would it cost to go on a date with you
what the fuck
$14.50 and two live cows.
more like, an exspensive way to not feel odd going to the movies solo
just pay a person to go with you
@glossy wharf i finally remember why your name sounds familiar
hm
its a weapon
hm?
sai, its a martial arts weapon
kinda odd looking one, but i remember seeing a person use it
oh sai is kinda like a hand held fork-ish weapon
its a dagger with two extra spikes yes.
but that has nothing to do with my name cause its just short for sairenix LUL
oh
nah
I'd probably go for #8888 myself, if I were choosing one.
why
I like 8
Sure
(>^_^)>
yay

Squichy join stick gang!
Should i make a stick gang bodypillow
?
<.<
Anyone else not able to load into vrchat right now?
its a prolem with their networking currently
Like, I get the spinning vrchat logo and then it just sits on the background with nothing
Ah
Guys I need some help... I uploaded an avatar yesterday with some special effects but that day most people saw it. Now no body sees it and they said because my rank is new user. But how did people see it yesterday then>?
And another question, How do I change my name in-game?
If it's friends they can see, usually friends have everything on regarding shaders etc
if they're friends they can see it, everything unblocked for friends
But it was some random people I didnt knew
if they're not your friend, they'll have to click you and hit "show avatar" to see all features
In presetation room
they could've just had certain features unblocked then
me personally i have everything off for everyone except friends, or i just turn on individually if i wanna 'check it out'
But people said they have everything on and still cant see it
look in the mirror, can you see it? lol
I can see it in my own hand
And sinds yesterday it worked im kinda confused. Because I use light for it and only Known users can use that
tell them to click you and hit "Show avatar", that'll make sure everything is on for sure
no, everyone can use every feature
But so normaly no one sees my special things/
Yes, until you rank up
and thank god ^^
but spoiler alert, most people have it blocked on higher ranks aswell
like me
by default, no, but people can set them however they like
i dont know a single person that uses default safety system except new users.
Blocking things 4heae
usually trusted users are the first ones to abuse those since they can lol
Too be fair its Meg from dbd with a flashlight that I use to kinda blind people
What can I say im a toxic survivor
Why would you ruin your own vrc experience
Sai I remember the argument was "BUT NO ONE IS GONNA TOUCH THE SETTINGS!!?!?"
what
back when the trust settings were first announced
Who said that
How do I turn all that off?>
the entire argument was "no one's gonna change the default!"
Lol nice joke
wha
@rigid crescent well it's worse even then we expected
Instead of peeps turning it off they turn it up even more
I mean that's not really bad. Odds are they would've outright blocked you instead.
Now no ranks are safe ๐
idk i dont know anyone that blocks everything except for a few discord peeps here
anyway gotta go eat some foods.
Bring me some also
But guys I just made my account what do I change in the settings so I see everything?
Go to Safety
when i say i block everything is with the exception of the 1st 2 options ofc
I only block audio & particles because they're annoying.
but mainly coz my pc is crap atm, next week will be a difrent story
same Gallium.
gona do a massive upgrade, then ill have shaders on by default as well
What you planning on getting?#
i5 4690k -> R7 2700x | GTX 970 -> RTX 2080
right now my cpu dies on vrchat lmao, my cpu hiting 100% all time while the gpu chillin on 30% lmao
16gb ddr 1600mhz, gona grab 16 DDR4 3200
its on a custom loop @ 4.5ghz
any cpu dies on vrchat at the moment. Even a fucking threadripper.
really? FeelsBadMan xD
Still, 970 to 2080 is gonna be a nice upgrade
Depends
but im sure ill notice a difrence with the cpu change as well
the one i have allrdy deserves to be put to sleep haha
If you can get better single-core perf out of it you'll notice something.
Plus when some future updates hit you'll get more from that too.
lol i just decimated something for the first time in months
Did you use planar decimation on a deforming mesh?
Because you better not have ๐ก
@rough pulsar version change will help a lot as VoIP is off main core
it was on my shoelaces
Yeah, that's gonna be great. And I've heard IK's getting booted onto its own thread at some point, which is gonna be amazing
and i used collapse
VoIP is getting better or? coz it's allrdy sweet
It's not sweet at all lol
at one point, the IK and the VOIP were the two worst problems for alg
Ok, it's allright p:
that was an old post from 2017 though, not sure how accurate it is now
IK's still pretty intense.
VoIP is loads of overhead performance
Same goes for most networking
Ik is so heavy because of calculations
Would be nice if they switched to Steam Audio
So many great features, reverb, occlusion, etc
``populated rooms being laggy is actually a combination of (in rough order of severity):
Inverse Kinematics calculations (the program that guesses, given your hand/head position, the location of the rest of your body)
uSpeak networking overhead
Photon network handling
Dynamic Bones overuse
Draw calls from too many materials/unmerged meshes
``
Pretty much yea
No
Great thing about IK & VoIP improvements are we have nothing to do, nor can we really fuck it up.
Like DB, Materials & Meshes.
not using FBT is one thing ๐ @rough pulsar
it's a joke 4head

they do cause more lag in the IK department
I hear noises about the IK improvements mean FBT has about the same cost as regular IK so you can take my trackers form my cold dead hands
that would be sweet
Final ik beta 
7 trackers, hurry up VRC
7? owo
Fbt improvements are already in the beta so far I know
elbow elbow knee knee foot foot waist
Knees and elbows?
Please, don't make me spend even more money lmao
That will make tracking so freakin accurate
Yea and laggy
Elbows would be more useful than knees (both are nice though) because of how much the wrist can move compared to the ankle
for dancing i can see knees being a thing
fbt is unncessary
Any ball or roll join should be tracked
Just make a tracking suit
And flip? Joint should not
We can use it for guessing how far a legg is bend
But things like shoulders and hips ain't easy
welp, ill be happy to just get my 3 trackers, don't think ill ever get more if it ever becomes a thing
you already bought them heartlexx?
im thinking of selling my trackers
oh i thought u said yday u were desktop, my confusion then
Send me them
nah that was probably someone else
how can u be willing to sell them xD
They are trash
im gona be dancing none stop once i get mine
i never used it b/c my avatars arent rigged for them
For 4 hours you mean? @safe marsh
and i cant be paying people to re rig all my models
i mean, thats usually the ammount of time i have to play per day so im fine with that battery life lol

thinking of selling them for like 200 for all three xD
but i heard ppl saying they have the same battery life as the controllers
in which case i usually use 50% on 1 go for the most part
Imagine having to stop playing because you have to charge your controllers
This meme was made by Oculus gang in collaboration with desktop gang
also

even if it is 4h, im totally fine in doing a break after that time lmao
Imagine having more than 1 wire on you
This meme was made by the oculus gang
i just wanna sell my trackers and vive stuff and buy oculus again
Imagine having the most expensive yet simultaneously the worst controllers
yeah
This meme was brought to you by Oculus, WMR, and literally anything that isn't the Vive
More companies should start making controllers, we need competition. There's a ton of headsets coming out but no new controllers
why ppl hate the vive so much, i love mine lol
i liked oculus much more
They need to make their shit open source for once so we can use oculus controllers with whatever
Because it's overpriced lol
ive had a lot of problems with vive
The vive controllers are legit complete ass
The headset is okay but too expensive for what it is
like needing to make the thing work even harder to not have glares everywhere
The only upside is that it's on the OpenVR platform and that the tracking doesn't need USB ports, but you pay almost twice as much money

like in vrchat i need to have oversampling at 70% for i wont be annoyed by glares
Hello
Oh yeah, I set my supersampling to 1.8x and it's a lot clearer that way
I think that's the default though
if i dont oversample this happens https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/438959119920136225/445804496476569600/unknown.png?width=674&height=664
@safe marsh
they have the same accoun open on three different instances
Or a modded client
If they're on desktop they probably just opened the game 3 times
yeah
wont that kill your cpu gpu and your memory?
i thinkthe most ive seen is someone have 8 open at once
Not on desktop and not if you have plenty of power to spare
I did it with like 5 clients a while back
must have a really powerful pc to do that
Yeah I did it with VR and one in desktop
one way to combat lonelyness, go into a empty instance with a bunnch of you
it's pretty surreal when you do it in VR
i didnt even know could open multi clients on one account thats weird
I've never been able to launch two instances in VR, unfortunately
Never such thing happened to me sean
I might need to try OpenComposite
i cant run anything else if i have vrchat open
ouch
it's fun as a first time gimmick, most people don't know about it
join your friends, then join in VR
self serving
That is SO sad now that i think of it holy crap
wtf
just to trick people
Definitely done seen people do that
-licks jiff-
I do it so i can talk to smart people for once 
Lmao
I ran two instances yesterday to test world objects in 2017
Have a good rest, Sean
Does your pickup work now
RIP, I found a nice model I wanted to use but it's been taken down
oof a YYB mashup of PD outfits
that's rough. Well, if you like the outfits those are easy to find lol
I'll have a look around for them
should be an easy find, their names are alongside the model
You can easily find the PD versions, just not the YYB since they changed their rules for YYB models
Yeah, fair enough
I might be able to just do that myself then
Shame
The YYB stuff look pretty good, I should try using them more
But I feel like Noenoe shaders might not do them justice, could try Xiexe's
I wish YYB models were more appreciated by the MMD community.
Yyb stuff is hard to find now
Everything is just bland TDA
To be honest they look better and smoother than TDA
Since redistribution is rip
Yeah :/
I mean it didnt stop people from redistributing Frankensteined tdas
They're not as dorito as TDA
So you might find some
Well YYB is still similar to TDA rule wise, minus not being able to redistribute with PD outfit designs from my knowledge
Tda is also not allowed to be redistributed
Yes? lol
I actually have a YYB morphable base downloaded.
Im having fun in vrc @vocal shard
Hmm ok that means its good
Yyb is less strict even, but people take the no redistribution more serious than on tda it seems
Idk i dont have a problem with tda, i usually edit the shit out of it anyway
PD is still smoother than TDA, since I jsut dislike how sharp TDA is design wise
Yeah it's mainly the face area that gets me for PD, even for anime it just feels so alien, and the lips are just off to me
That and they lack teeth
I don't like the PD faces
They're kinda off without the PD shaders, at least they feel like that when they are outside PDFT
Xiexie or something that uses the sphere mapping can help it out
I know someone that uses the PD Teto and it looks fine ingame
Apparently there's also shaders out there that can use .sph
I know an edit of Cubed's exists which does that
And having the proper toon shading capability helps too
hi does anyone want to rp in vrchat?
[hard thonk]
maybe ๐ค
what sorta arpee are we talkin here fella
I would.. I have my RP sock at home.. but Iโm at work
Oh.. your just a troll.. nvm then
Lawl
Now we are talkin
ofc, rp groups exclusive af they dont ask in official vrc lol
the players haven't realized yet
uwu someday rp sama
i do want to try vr rp sometime but i don't have an actual vr setup yet
Only if you accept my love
d o n t t a k e t h e b a i t
ok
she's not even throwing in bait
4 chat mods all afk, feelsvrchat man
she's throwing in the whole rod
@ruby needle ay ezpz time to work man
@ruby needle
joined right on time as all others are ded
Oof.. That's another time period there
uwu lets stay nice peeps so we can show chat mods senpais we're good on our own
Oof learning how to create avatars from scratch is gona be a long ride q.q
@vocal shard .. letโs throw down
honestly though, i've never done non-structured rp
what sort of cancer are vr chat rp groups made of
๐ค
snuggles up
okay i'm not interested anymore (^:
were u truly ever interested tho xDDD
hands potato a hot chocolate ๐ซ
in an idealistic way
noms
vr has some really good rp potential
it's like live action without the cost of getting everyone together
and far more potential flexibility
@lilac swan You then as you just popped up- Mind reading up in chat and applying the right punishments?
Lol
da fuq is happening now
No chat mods are online or active at all ๐
FPaul is active it says though
Paul is I think
Yo.. Iโm at work and Iโm reading chat
Oh well
Shrug.. What now?
i'm always at work ๐
there wasn't even any drama in the chat, i thought a mod was being poked for something personal
And thats the end of it~
Welcome to this chat
Okay.. Wtf? These network timeouts seem to happen randomly
did i miss something
I expect the rest of the world to conform to my way of thinking and
same
same
Wait you guys are mocking us pinging the mods? lmao?
Just a hope that he sees this
and looks up the chat
and does something
I must have someone blocked bc I only see you pinging, Oclac
I only pinged once at the top inbetween
No wonder you dont notice it if 20 minutes have passed since we first pinged staff and nothing happened...
Wat?
available near 24/7 to read chat uwu no life club
^
no oclac
i'm actually autism, i have no idea why you're pinging mods ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
i really feel like i missed something
Well.. You heard of Cupcake chan, yes?
I can tell this immediately sounds like cancer (^:
I think Iโve seen her around
I have a question.. do you need full-body tracking for you to make it look like you're jumping up IRL?
Yes
mhm
So you can't do it without FBT?
well you can jump, but
not at all
flip your model, do hand-stand jumps
Your avatars toes wont leave the ground

just gotta jump high enough
or put your arm bones in your legs
Or really good jump animation in a world with jumping enabled
Ouch..
the same instance or difrent instance?
not sure if it still has to do with connection issues, i havent had them for couple days now so i dunno
It's probably hackers, stay out of the box
There's a new modded client going around for a couple of weeks that can log you out
I keep freaking crashing whenever I change avatar in my favorites list.
Getting really annoying.
I have to restart steam every time too, because when it crashes it forgets I have 2 hands, and puts my right controller as my left hand.
Swap your hands?
Oh oh oh
Ok what you do is you trun the controllers of and turn them back on
Starting with the right controller if not try it the other way round
Iโd have to remove my batteries for that to happen. Faster to just restart steam.
Sometimes vrchat gets it wrong and won't get it right until it's restarted
I'm sorry :/ it's easier for Vive I gues
Doesnโt help to restart the game. I have to restart steam or the game will keep my right hand as my left.
But crashing every time I wanna change avatar from my fav list really is a bother
Itโs a very recent problem
Cloth components on any avatars?
I hate when vrchat derps out and swaps my hands xD
No idea.
Its the only thing i can think off myself Gallium
I dont know the lingo.
So my left will become my right and vice versa
But if I go to the world and change, I donโt crash.
There's a known bug with disabled cloth components on avatars causing crashes in the avatar menu
Is it an avatar you uploaded or just use?
If you didnt upload it, have you made a contact with Vrchat support yet providing the avatars name, world, location and ect so they can check it out themself and if needed remove it?
Still would be nice to favourite our own avatars
Yeah I know people with hundreds of avatars
Or cases where there's 3 variants you regularly use and would like them easily accessable rather than doing the endless list scroll
And up to 5 favorites
Like a hashtag system where you can group them like friends?
Itโs not my avatars.
Theyโre on my fav list, as I said.
3 avatars means we still visit worlds, I guess. 5 would be nice but yeah.
Yeah people are complaining that you can only favourite 3
I remember the times when my tracking would fuck up and I would have to go back to a world to get it to work properly again
People complain about anything and everything...
The day they got avatar favorites was the day someone complained it was only 3 favorites in here...
For only a low payments of 2.99 you can get 5 favourites
Iโd pay it
I like the limit, it helps rotate out declined world avatars
Otherwise they'd just stay in rotation even when the world goes down.

Yeah hate when that happens
Can we just do an 'oops' remove all avatar worlds beside the recently accepted and have only optimized avatar worlds ๐ ?
5$ a month for morenslots
Yes, exactly. When the world goes down, you can still use the model
But if you've only got 3 favorites, unless you never favorite another, they'll eventually rotate.
I went from seeing subcom everywhere to not seeing it nearly as much a few weeks after it was down
lol that's ok I block user-uploaded subcom avatars too ๐
OMEGALUL
I mean I don't block the player lol I just know they're some of the worst popular ones. Those and the full body dancers are insta-block
Why block full body dancers?
Because they're, as far as I know, terribly, terribly unoptimized avatars.
I don't block people who dance, I jsut block the avatars of the people who use a certain world's avatars.
the only one thqts rlly rlly bad is the one woth cloth on the hair
Yeah, that entire world's avatars lol
Or billion dynamic bones and more then two colliders...
not all of them use loth hair
cloth on the hair, and the skirt, and the colliders, etc
You mean donut's world?
I have no clue, they all have the same outfit tho
Yeah donut
Then yeah
There's people with average pcs that drop 10FPS looking at one of them lol it's worse that it's popular too, there's more people in them
especially the cloth hair one
Please don't block me senpai; I only have two dynamic bones, one mesh, and two mats ๐ณ
TWO mats?! BLOCKED
U HAVE ONE MESH?

two bones? pls tupper ban
I have around 27 dynamic bones 25 bodies and 27 materials 
wat
๐ญ I knew I should have just put them together. I'm sorry I'll go use a flat plane from now on
25 bodies?
I am an unoptimised hoe
the thought of 25 meshes gives me chest pains
Wait until you see what I do with colliders xD
my model is optimized its only 27 materials 164 dbone transforms 17 colliders 1 cloth componet using 7k poly
and that's why I wish they'd add a "meets performance standards" setting lol
Just auto-hide avatars that don't meet the normal requirements
there is this guy in The Box going around and logging out people somehow, he just press a button and you are logged out, i met him yesterday as well
yeah, gotta report him, not much else you can do
report him then on moderation@vrchat.com and send the outputlog
no point in reporting 
well, i dont remember his name cuz he logged me out the second i was reading it
No point in reporting
why
He'll just make a new account and will use a VPN to surpass the ban
Implying playing with a vpn is any fun
and doesnt take months to download some maps as they are insanely large
the box is 0mb
"Never report, they'll find a way around it." best logic
no one likes using a VPN lol
Some will, not everyone does.
XD
Iโm hoping that me blocking people does have an effect on their trust. Cus man do I have to block or hide people who are so called Trusted users.
Optimize your models. Just because your model doesn't drop people from 90 to 20 instantly doesn't mean it's laggy
@safe yacht I know someone who is blocked by hundreds of people and is trusted
I am learning how to I promise XD
I feel like those shits need to be fucking punished.
I just learned how to do avtars 2 weeks ago
So fucking sick of the Trusted users always always always being the people I block or hide. The rank means fucking nothing worth of trust.
Itโs people who make their own avatars and upload them, which clearly makes them Trusted by the system.
Its legit not hard to optimize
Loud, visually painful avatars to look at with terrible and disruptive effects.
Just DONT do stuff
Dont add more then 2 colliders and DONT throw dynamic bone scripts on everything
And all the people Iโve caught talking about how they crash people, are Trusted users.
Dont use cloth components and TADA
Ezpz
Same that you should not use models with more then one material unless you have a reason for it
And dont have more then one mesh ๐
One material one mesh means you cannot change / add shaders different textures
was reading something saying dont report, report them, they annoy us with having to log back in, annoy them with making them make a new account and use a vpn :^)
blocking has little to no affect on trust rank btw Dream
People don't get caught because not many people report
i said unless you havea reason for it
If you have diffrent shaders of example hair- You need two materials and ect
I have to use a mix of noe noe and flat lit because of how it does itb
But the second one shares the same shader and settings- Combine it
Why do you need more than one mesh?...
Cat does it for free and even does it properly
Materials matter for shaders, not meshes.
Meshes too
No...
Yes
You're 100% wrong.
only materials matter for shaders, meshes can be combined :p
also you just started 2 days ago how are you going to tell me anything? lol
@vocal shard you don't seem to get how texture atlasing works
If you create a new material you can add it to the body
ah 2 weeks, sorry
All about that UV mapping
You need one material for every different shader or shader configuration you are going to use. Textures are irrelevant in this.
I dunno how to UV map
So, I have one mesh. Somehow I use 6 different materials and shaders just fine.
Hacker ๐ก
For a normal avatar, there's no reason to have multiple meshes
My avatars usually have 2-3 materials
Cats can do it for you
I realised 2-3 days ago that I can separate it by having a texture
So I do that now but before I would use separate bodies to have different shaders etc on different parts
Because reporting is a chore. You have to gather evidence and put it in an email.
We need better ingame moderation tbh
I just want these twats to get slapped on the hand so they behave.
The biggest issue right now is the logout modified clients though
I mean if mods just played th game theyโd see all this shit themselves. It wouldnโt be difficult.
Honestly I prefer to be loged out rather then crashed
just email support 4Head
@rigid crescent unless you want to be this world https://i.imgur.com/DPY3Bqi.png
I think you would be disappointed though, it's not against any rules to have particles or sounds on your avatar
where there is literally too many skinned meshes
that one gave me the sweats
You think mods don't play the game Dream?
It made me convulse
A material lays a texture onto a vertex group on a mesh. So really you just need your mats to be assigned to the proper vertex groups and your mats can have several textures on them depending on the shader properties.
guess they forgot to merge the materal at 1st then saw it was on purpose when 47 avatars had over 1k dynamic bones
The mods play the game but there's not enough of them. I have literally never seen a moderator ingame, and I hang out in public quite a bit. It doesn't help if all of your mods are only active during US working hours
I think materials are based on faces, not vertices
1 mesh.. up to 10 mats.. a few dyn bones and your good
I use spheres on my shader, so I typically separate my atlases into 3 things. Hair, Cloth, and "Shinies"
hello
and Skin
cant have a problem with 1 mesh, 1 material, 1 dynamic bone
I call them vertex groups bc thatโs how I unwrap

Then from there on I branch out to stuff that I might want specialized. Usually eyes. I've been hitting 7 max on a normal avatar
I need 2xhair, face, transparent texture, normal texture, left eye, right eye
Mods shouldnโt be seen, thatโs what helps catch people.
I like using an additive sphere on eyes
What.......
i wonder if i should do optimized mmd avatars that are 1 material ๐ค
Yeah I know I am converting my avatars to materials
Dunno if Iโm at 1000 hours yet but Iโve never even heard of mods being in game.
Both eyes can go on one. Hair can go no one.
Mods are ingame quite literally every day
they're regular players with friend groups just like you or anyone else lol
Weird how nothing happens then...
Both eyes can't go on one as they are two different colours
Atlas your textures and they can.
Hair uses would textures
2
theres a blender plugin, u can combine the 2 dif textured materials into 1 and use 1 material for both eyes
its ez to do to an mmd model
I guess they don go to public worlds. Or donโt think itโs a problem and just want us all to block or hide the avatars of the disruptive people, instead of actually punishing anyone. Which would render the trust system meaningless if all you can do is gain trust.
you can do it to any model
I have two different colors on my eyes and they're one material.
@vocal shard you seem to misunderstand texture atlasing
You ONLY need a new material if you are changing the shader. In your case, you could get away with 2 materials. One for everything, and another material for the transparent parts.
If you want the eyes to be two different colors, turning them into separate materials is not a bad idea, but you still gotta atlas after that.
To merge them again.
Turning them into separate materials allows you to put them into different places on the UV map so you can actually have two different colors
What does atlasing do then 
It bakes all of your textures into one texture
There's an automatic tool for it even
But I do it manually https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h01fZH1eu0k
But some of my textures aren't in blender
I use different textures for body and face
you can import them in blender
As I said I just started
And I realised that I can use mats rather then bodies I started using that
It's not like I purposely do it
I'm just new to this 
https://docs.vrchat.com/docs/avatar-optimizing-tips best place to start
Thank you 
when your vrchat gets timed out, is that because you was kicked from the world or just a shitty pc?
usually network related
Doesnt "timed out" usually mean no response from the server in most games
yes
ok thx
"I have a dream, where users on VRChat will not be divided by the color of thier nametags, but by the content of their character"
I have a dream where shit like that isnโt copied and pasted over and over
Do you have an opposition
Emailing them and or making a canny.io post?
Aka the stuff where they take feedback and actually read this stuff
When did I say that I didnt email
Depends what staff ๐
The matter isnt wether the staff is doing there job or not
It's that vrchat users are being divided by color. Doesnt that remind you of something ๐ค
How I eat MnMs?
No
lol this classic convo ๐
CMYK wide format print process?
That im not color blind?
Haha
Let me guess your a known user / trusted user so it doesnt bother you because your on top and you get off to that.
to be perfectly honest, I'd hide my color al lthe way down to visitor if i could, just to prove a point
The only users I have muted is visitor
Got off to that? nani?
Everyone else is avatar shown + unmuted
Im just a regular old user.. kind of a really easy rank to get
I have an alt that's new user that I like to get on to get to just "get away"
im on it almost every other day and only go to publics, ive got no friends added on it intentionally
The only people who would oppose a one color for all rule in a non competitive environment are Trusted users.
What's the reason for muting visitors? ._.
You cant tell me one reason colors are important other than to flaunt it in everyones face
It serves no purpose
Idk.. maybe as a safety ranking system so that there is less cancer in your face to prevent new accounts from having malicious avatars that blow your face away
I never said to get rid of the safety system
He safety system is great
But there is 0 purpose for the colors
colors make it less confusing
How would you differentiate between the safety ranks if not with color?
@ruby burrow they tend to be very toxic
You dont
If a friend is like they cool I unmute them
That defeats the purpose of the safety ranking system
The only color change should be devs- friends
If you already have your safety in place for certain ranks why do you need to see the color of the nametags other than to subconsciously discriminate low ranked users
why u so mad? annoyed you can't annoy ppl with ur cancer avatars i guess?!
Ah.. I see what your saying.. so everyone is green.. but their individual ranks are not visible
Whay?
what if they added an option to turn the color displays of everyone on and off locally?
Heartless you dont even know what's going on
Good. Nothing you have said so far is productive to the discussion in any way
Dont oppose opposition I just oppose ignorance
i'm fairly happy with the safety system c:
VRChat has been a much more pleasing experience.
ITS THE NAMETAG COLORING THAT IS AN ISSUE
the only reason why i like having colors shown is for testing purposes
I play with nametags off :3
write in bold, i can read it better
otherwise, i agree that colors should be hidden
well, i usually have name tags hidden lol
That's not the issue
muh draw calls
User will still have a rank. Just not visible
and what's the matter with the rank then
he doesn't like the colors showing
So if the user is A NEW USER They will be the same color as everyone else. Just thier avatar features will be hidden
Some elitists do discriminate between colored tags.. but I feel itโs exceedingly rare
Or if you are trusted
You will be the same color as a new user. You will just have more avatar features shown

it is pretty rare, my alt account is still new user
i like the colors c: it's nice knowing who is older and more experienced and stuff
You are trying to make it seem as if it isnt a problem at all. To keep peoples attention off it.
Let me guess
Trusted User? @safe marsh
Listen here, i am not trying anything, i like it, that's my opinion, you don't have to agree.
Okay
The amounto f problem it is is very insignificant.
OH and spoiler: I have my name set to trusted literally all the time
tbh if people are elistist about their ranks they were never worth talking to anyway
LOL im mean user
And no, i am a green youngling, and never felt descriminated or anything, now if u gona be one of those that run around being abnoxious and what not and thinking u are funny looking for 'the wae' then you do you.
that slip lmao. I have it set to User almost all the time
Oh my god
LOL
Your'e so ignorant
"Let me guess, a TRUSTED user eh?"
"No I'm green."
"W-W-What?! N-No you're....you're just ignorant!"
I don't care what rank you are (except visitor ) if you being a tw*t you get blocked no matter what colour
Trusted is nothing impressive
yeah @graceful timber why you discriminating against us trusted users
you shouldn't care about visitor either lol
So it doesn't feel different to have it
I didnt say she was ignorant because she was green
i just have escalation of privaliges for ranks personally
I dont care what you are as im open! But if your new and still learning this game i dislike you!
@topaz panther my experience has proven otherwise. It's not rare
yeah, nearly all my friend's list is trusted
i treat everyone equally, actually i like to pay attention to grey ones since sometimes they even have questions and stuff.
Heck, people are using the trust system as a means to just block all visitor avatars due to performance reasons
People would comment on it when they saw vets before that rank was removed, but about 50% of the users I meet are purple, so why would I feel that it's anything special?
@tacit plank .. is have to disagree.. Trusted users usually put a lot of time and effort into the game
Not everyone is like you
your experience as one person doesn't make it any more or less rare
@rigid crescent I shouldn't but I had more then enough trouble with them
@rigid crescent tell that to Rehx then
Anyone else constantly getting kicked to the log in screen?
I do always feel a little sad when after hours of talking to someone they add me as a friend and say "Oh! You glow?"
@median basalt Iโm sorry to hear that.. ๐ฆ
LOL
Why is it that when people say "there is no elitism" you take them as gospel, but when I say "there is", you suddenly switch into "you have no proof, it's anecdotal!!"
Trusted users are everywhere, they're the one I see the most
trusted abusers more like!
Because there's more people that say they didn't experience than say they have?
lmao this is so wrong
Off to ask in another chat then
I do in public too, but that's because my friend start the instance and their friends join on them





