Yes.. well there's often a valid reason for that and its down to most using cloth
#vrchat-general-2
vocal shard
I think i'd rate cloth worse tbh..
tacit plank
Bones and bone positions are just expensive to calculate. As are colliders. The CPU cost probably doesn't grow linearly either
umbral reef
You can think that- But its not how it works... Both are flat out really bad
Cloth can be often even better if its used right
tacit plank
World components also seems rather poor... Some maps show 50000 calls per second just for syncing things
umbral reef
It /can/ also be worse
But the uneducated user can go more wrong with dynamic bones faster
This is from te approved VRC worlds
vocal shard
If we are talking colliders.. lets discuss disgusting mesh colliders due to miserable failed imports from other file formats and invalid vertex and triangles all over the place
umbral reef
People upload this stuff so often
vocal shard
more and more issues unless you have a tool that scans and auto corrects 😄
tacit plank
393 dynamic bones with 59 colliders?
vocal shard
When i recreated Half life 1 in vrchat.. there was over 80k issues alone with the vertex.
queen mango
If my math is correct, then 23,187 is the total number of dynbones
umbral reef
And see if world crashes happen when jumping into a room
vocal shard
i had to remake entire sections due to it.
queen mango
👀
tacit plank
Maybe a Blender script could fix it?
vocal shard
Mesh colliders are the enemy.. never use them.. dont even think about it..
umbral reef
^^
tacit plank
True
vocal shard
recreate the mesh yourself.. save time save performance.. save lives.
queen mango
Save computer lives
umbral reef
Like shit- We should make a list of avatar creators that shitty optimize there stuff just so i can preblock them 👀
tacit plank
In that map with tall grass and a barn in the middle of the field, which also has a mine nearby, stepping on the shovel will crash people due to lag
vocal shard
Over 30 worlds get denied because of performance issue but that 1 gets approved because it's an event hall even though they have an extraordinary amount of colliders and they said it goes FAR BEYOND any kind of limit.. Gotta love the blatant favoritism VRChat devs seem to have
tacit plank
It's probably a high-poly mesh collider shovel
umbral reef
@vocal shard We already bitched about it- And we all find it retarded
We honestly should just start using that avatar hardcore
vocal shard
Box colliders are ftw.. and you will never have issues.. also stick a zero friction on your physical to stop assholes from cheating on your maps.. especially if its maze related 😉
vocal shard
I have to go back and remake over 30 avatars tbh I'm not too happy either
tacit plank
Oh, you can put zero friction on things?
umbral reef
Well- Optimize your stuff before hand then
vocal shard
?
Yes zero friction stops them climbing walls.
As does ice.
They're old avatars I didn't know I needed to and there was lack of information about it when I made most of them so I assumed I was okay
tacit plank
Btw, would zero friction make the map run faster due to not having to calculate friction, or slow it down because you'd have to add physics components?
vocal shard
Surface properties are a vital functionality.. especially when your me building a dam pinball machine
umbral reef
Well- If thats the case i get it and that sucks.
But most avatars worlds right now are new things
And the information has been out there how bad some things are during the user boom really
Before hand it was fairly bad indeed
tacit plank
If you need mesh colliders, duplicate the thing you want colliders on and decimate it until just before it breaks. Then make it invisible and use it as the collider
But just 5k polygons on a mesh collider can half your FPS if you collide with it in a specific way
vocal shard
I can spawn a Cube.. and stretch that cube into any shape in this world.. anything you can think of with one objects.. and i will never have invalid vertex or triangles everywhere due to how the tool works..
its a life saver.. and there's no models out there i cant fix thanks to it.
lol Most of the meshes people use unity splits into segments because its over 65k
its funny.. and that should tell people all they need to know really Ad-void.
The easiest way to fix a model like this.. is to import to blender.. then deparent it.
then check each part.. which takes alot of time 😄 but still it works
That ferris wheel i used in funland originally had 20 parts.. then i de-parented it and came up with over 100 parts..
in the end i modified the entire thing and stuck a sprite animation on the front wheel to make it look more authentic.. issues solved. lol
tacit plank
For my stuff, I seperated it and merged it manually to parts of 40k. If I let Unity do it, it splits it totally random at worst
vocal shard
In general.. you can turn anything 2d into 3d.. withsprite animation alone.. i've turned rides from 2d into 3d by using a double sided shader and then simply animating it.
tacit plank
And a random split will mean that all the colliders overlap
vocal shard
the fizesilve is microscopic.
tacit plank
That sounds cool though! You should do a tutorial on it
vocal shard
Tbh i can but i thought it was preety obvious how it was done.. i mean..
im a retro gamer so.. i've had ideas.. for certain projects i will re-create in unity.. like streets of rage as an example
tacit plank
I didn't quite follow. You're animating the thickness of a shader outline?
vocal shard
i would like to do all genesis games really.
tacit plank
That sounds cool btw, but you might want to use your own assets for some of it, due to copyright concerns
brb
vocal shard
2d is single on one side.. all you do.. is create a 2d ui sprite.. paste it onto a 3d background like a cube.. fade the cube and make the cube double sided with transparency or fade.. and then as for physical you insert colliders on certain aspects you will animate.. simply by using a sphere in the centre of the sprite.. say a ferris wheel or big wheel.. animate the sphere and .. it works and its double sided..
its 2d to 3d.. and it simply works.
its stupidly easy to do and i dont honestly know why people use all they use nowadays in terms of vertext and models.. i can do all that with a sprite.
Graphics do not make games..
gameplay makes games.
Oh caffeine, trust me i know 😃 but the thing is.. in terms of sega.. they are onboard for such projects because it gives light to old titles..
and i can recreate any game made in 2d and use within unity with spritesheet animation.. i dont need script.. back then it wasnt script it was animations in sprites.
I exported over 25k frames from a 2 minute 4k video from youtube.. and i got it working under a sprite renderer as my first project just for a joke really in unity.. but it caught on.. all that i had to do was synch the audio to the video.. and it took a while but it worked perfectly.. i have a video player made out of sprites, with perfect transition.
brb myself 😛
tacit plank
Oh, that sounds cool! But how many drawcalls does such a thing use? I imagen fade to be semi expensive.
And that's really impressive! How big is the filesize? No matter the format, I imagen that 25000 4k textures are expensive. And you can't use tricks like in regular video compression where only the changed parts are updated, right?
vocal shard
hehe you know what i find ammusing.. i was the first to do it apparently yet.. nobody here took much notice
i knew it was big.. and yet nobody seemed to care or even bat an eyelid
it was a small filesize because of compression..
25mb 25k frames.. not even joking around
and it played like a normal video but under a sprite renderer
I've always wanted to re-create old games retro wise in an unptodate engine.. and unity is so dam easy that.. i can think of no better way to show off what i can do than to recreate those titles that we played as kids like final fight streets of rage and more.. all in unity..
and its Very easy to do.. those dumps are very easy to come by
I spoke to lakuza about it originally.. i proposed a way of recreating it.. and was told by others its never been done before simply my mechanics
so i know it would work but im a solo project developer and .. its not that i dont have the time.. i really do.. its just that i want this project to catch on so others realise how easy it is.. so the old is brought into the new.. we shouldn't forget our roots in life.. we are now because thats where we came from after all.
tacit plank
4k textures, 1kb a piece? that seems wrong?
vocal shard
Nah they was not 1kb a piece.. they was about 100kb a piece.. i used a video extractor out of it that extracted all frames each m/sec
tacit plank
And I think that most people just don't know of your feats. Your work is amazing, you should show it off more
vocal shard
it worked just like the origjinal.. if you like i can do so again
my first video tutorial on it was .. well.. i was extremely excited you could tell i made myself look like a fool lol
but the thing is.. i never realised it was that easy i questioned why nobody had done it before
tacit plank
Being excited is not bad. If done well, it only rubs off. It's tons better than being monotone for speaking
You could also stream your work
vocal shard
I would give.. anything in this world.. to do that but im on adsl 2.0.. with all i can do in life im severely limited in connectivity
and thats due to the fact that im rural england.. in a village that was built in the 1100's
tacit plank
Oh shit, no rich people in the area that you can convince to pay for fiber lines?
vocal shard
haha.. the funny thing is.. the people round here are loaded.. manor houses with a hundred rooms and such.. such as spains hall up the road to me..
tacit plank
Satellite might be faster in your case, not sure
vocal shard
thing is they all have good internet.. but .. my location is finchingfield.. its known as the prettiest village in essex.. and its all grade A listed buildings
by law they cannot be touched..
tacit plank
Surely they must have better internet? It's basically essential by now
vocal shard
historical reasons..
and so digging up the road is a massive issue to lay fibre line
tacit plank
If they have good internet, there should already be fiber right? It just needs to be extended to your house then
vocal shard
Your correct..
the exchange is only 15km from me
yet they have proposed the change and in 6 years not one single change
tacit plank
That's probably quite costly still. But they can't hold it back forever, internet will be a human right soon
vocal shard
I've lived here since 2012.. i moved away from london.. we all moved away for a better life
we sold.. many properties to get here
but the internet here.. is beyond aweful
safe prism
sell more properties and build a better internet
tacit plank
Is the general pay in the area good at least?
vocal shard
Yeah.. well.. the thing is since we moved in the wiring was beyond bad.. they was still using an isdn connection then lol.. we stripped out the bell wire.. which is massively known for picking up RF band due to no shielding.. had all wires replaced.. but its still bad regardless
safe prism
if you can get line of sight, drop fixed wireless down
cheap af and can throw gigabits
sell to neighbors
vocal shard
It's not about the place so much .. i live on the B1057.. its a B road.. and very similar to an A road in the uk.. in other words countryside miles of it
and so running a line underground here is very costly for them
tacit plank
Know the feeling. the people who lived in this house before us illegally messed with the power. A 10 amp line had a 17amp safety, fit with a screwdriver
No grounded cables in any parts of the house, lol. But good luck
tacit plank
You should make worlds to show off your skills and add a patreon or something 😛
vocal shard
... thats a serious bodge artists job .. jesus lol
tacit plank
The house is terrible. Recently I lost power because something inside the wall melted...
Also, you can sell assets online. Many Japanese people do it on booth.pm
vocal shard
Well.. i already have the largest theme park ever created so i though that would be enough.. but .. i decided to make better so.. Funland 2 is on its way
its a .. theme park.. a horror map and more all in one
split between segements of different islands..
its unique because.. i have learnt alot and .. with the optimisations i have its totally unique and makes my original look terrible
tacit plank
Oh, nice!
If it runs at decent FPS and most people can understand it, it should get a good amount of people
vocal shard
Oh it will guaranteed, mostly everything but the animations are static.
you will never have issues hehe
tacit plank
Fun gimics also help to keep people in your world
tacit plank
Nice
vocal shard
no need to bake 😉
tacit plank
Haha, that's a plus!
vocal shard
unlit = no shadows..
tacit plank
Helps the filesize too
vocal shard
so im all good
oh god yes definetly
i edit my own audio with goldwave like i said earlier.. but i also edit .wav and turn it into .ogg
i dont trust unity's compression of .ogg
it makes a massive difference
tacit plank
But ones world is not always used as intented. Sometimes people stick around for hours just because they are trying to build a tower with your props, or because they found out that they can throw chairs with people in them, or other similar things
Yeah, don't trust Unity to do anything
vocal shard
put it this way.. 4 mins of.. really good binaural audio = 25mb in .wav.. compressed by unity to 16mb.. then taken out of assets put in goldwave and reduced by using .wav to .ogg.. compression is 3mb! not even joking.. i mean thats incredible.. and yet when put back to unity it compressed it even more 1.3mb!
exactly the same quality!
tacit plank
Also compression is not always good. Sometimes filesize is less important than the CPU time spend decompressing it
vital rune
you knoqw
tacit plank
Lol wow, that's strange
vocal shard
In VR we are talking 3d audio and audio offsets.. equalisers.. and spatial all by software
vital rune
doesnt sound like a tactical advantage in pvp maps
vocal shard
we dont require high quality as such.. if pop and click.. hell i can edit that i can make anything sound professional with max compression
tacit plank
I think it's to avoid burn-in or whatever it's called. The mic symbol is probably already stuck for some people... There should be an option to move it sideways a bit lol
safe prism
the mic symbol has some mitigation on it already
the scanlines
it's not just for show ahah
vital rune
I thought the mic symbol was just a 2D overlay
tacit plank
Oh, I'm glad they took it into account!
safe prism
overlays are the problem
vital rune
its just a 3D model
vocal shard
Tactical advantage in pvp maps? please.. your talking to the very person who's recreating UT2K4 maps in VR
lol
safe prism
anything that stays in one place will make the OLED pixel really enjoy staying that position
vocal shard
and now that i have health and weapons.. we are talking a complete conversion
tacit plank
The reason we had screensavers ages ago, and how they got their name, is because colors sometimes stay in the screen if they're shown for too long
So you need variance
vital rune
I wonder if actual weapon viewmodels like in any other FPSes would be possible
tacit plank
It shouldn't happen much anymore with newer screens, but it seems to be possible for the vive
vocal shard
Dump .unr to .obj scale and texture.. music.. sound.. pickups.. piss easy
now we have health bar modification and more..
we have unreal tournament..
vital rune
the stock red hurt screen kinda annoyed me
tacit plank
Filetypes are a pain. I have one program which can handle .x files with about a 80% success ratio. It's 2002 software
safe prism
make it better
vocal shard
and its not ut2k4..
vital rune
also
safe prism
ree
vocal shard
People want istagib matches.. back when people had skill. 😛
vocal shard
Which version? i have the one with 7 discs cdrom.. and the one with 2 dvd roms.
safe prism
i played an office tournament 2 years ago owo
vocal shard
im a meber of the UT2k4 clan.
safe prism
i just have it on steam idk
vocal shard
since the very start..
safe prism
i think we played ut gold or whatever
vocal shard
back then known as =-Jet$stream=- there's not much i haven't done on that.. i've been in so many community's you would be honestly shocked
tacit plank
That's such a 2004 usernane lol
vocal shard
Still .. much after that i got involved in private servers.. i ran everything from ragnarok online/pristontale/healthbreath/runescape/rose online/everquest/Rf online... the list goes on
vocal shard
Indeed 😉 custom content and great unless you ncsoft and a pain in the ass lol
Ncsoft lost so many customers to us they took our wemaster to court.. they got the FBI involved
tacit plank
Lmao, how did that go?
vocal shard
thankfully.. us developers were leftout of the mess.. but still.. good times up until that point
Well NCsoft said they lost millions.. none of us know if thats true obviously.. but thing is they ran their servers absolute shit.
where as we with L2J had everything
so we bennefited with massive player count and an incredible amount of fun for players
tacit plank
Cool 😄 I think they lost millions because they were incompetent then
vocal shard
Well that and they charge stupid subscription fee's
Private we didnt have that or pay to win..
back then we didnt allow for players to become gods based on money..
everything was equal
my lil brother has been on at me forever to recreate siementech's helbreath in unity
when i told him a few months ago what i was doing i guess he didnt expect all i'd done.. until he saw it and was blown away.. now he whatsapp's me with stupid requests daily
about recreating games in unity..
doesnt even think about copyright lol
tacit plank
I see 😄 and lmao, you can probably make a living on doing things like that
vocal shard
Yeah.. trust me i get told that from him all the time
tacit plank
And with Udon, get it into VRChat too. Probably
vocal shard
thing is though.. .. i have a silly amount of ideas.. and how things work in my head.. yet im on my own so..
its hard,.. i have a silly amount of creativity but i cant do it all alone in life because.. well.. im alone for one lol
tacit plank
Look into automation with scripts I guess
And you could easily join a dev team with your skills. It might not be a project you're too interested in though
safe prism
expand knowledge until you're at the edge of the universe, because that's how far we've come and as far as we'll ever reach. staying in one spot in total comfort isn't a way to live.
tacit plank
I'm not in comfort to begin with, and being knowledgable about things helps me feel better about myself
safe prism
mhm
i'm comfortable in uncomfortable
the chaos of seeing or thinking of something, saying "oh neat!" and immediately doing it
regardless of difficulty, because somewhere in there, i'll have learned something
vocal shard
Well... I do all of what they do in one.. not ego.. simplistic view is i have no job, i cant work with what i have,.. so i simply existing to please others as vague as that may sound
so i just build and build.. all that i see in my imagination..
and so.. for anyone to envy me.. dont because you wouldn't like this life just saying.. the same repeating pattern daily for years on end .. theere is no fun in this.. i do this because im bored shitless mostly.
That and i must admit.. if someone say's you cant do that.. and i do it anyways.. for me its like a hurdle because for the most part i take into consideration that these people mostly have an education or studied.. i did not i taught myself everything i know today.
safe prism
i don't super enjoy pleasing others with my work
i wanna make myself happy almost always
safe prism
my perspective is finding it in everything
vocal shard
Mine is being with the person ive yet to meet and fall in love with.
since thats never happened..
i am who i am.
umbral reef
@vocal shard I work in a field where there legit is no one with the right education at the top
School does not mean anything at all if you dont have motivation
safe prism
education doesn't equate to skill
education equates to being taught at about a certain thing that requires skill (and possibly having good resources to build it)
vocal shard
Oclac i respect that.. it's just that.. the places i went to school in caused me to .. do things i regret in life..
civic plume
owahh
vocal shard
not proud of it either.. just saying.. some people go down a dark road
civic plume
personal stuf! keep it to dm 💜
vocal shard
i advoided it and ended up alone
and from this.. this is where i am today.. and dm? pff fuck that
haha im way past that i could care less what i say in public
umbral reef
At worse we need to jump to #general-media if we keep up non vrc topics
civic plume
suit urself bud
vocal shard
my anology is.. your all gonna be dead one way or the other same as myself
so who cares?
umbral reef
Talking about VRC
Anyone knows if there are like high production video's out there about anything 
Or some music video stuff
vocal shard
Why does caring about that part mean so much.. its a small narrow perspective if we all end up the same way
civic plume
jesus fuck here we go with the daeth is coming soon, live ur life and push the word death out the way
im out
was coming to say hi to peeps ill do that tomorrow morning
umbral reef
Life is suffering 👏
Make it less bad and then help others 👏
vocal shard
haha im not talking about that at all
umbral reef
@civic plume Well how are ya doing then man
Im wasting all my time here instead of working 
vocal shard
Honrstly.. im 35 years old and have just had a bad life .. nothing much other than that
vocal shard
simply put i see things from a perspective of you live you grow old you die 😄
simplicity itself
umbral reef
Im tempted to give advice but at the same time- Because of this chat and VRC i have been missing an hour of well needed sleep every night for the past week by now
so im not gonna do it 😂
vocal shard
BUT HERES THE THING.... whille im alive.. im gonna make rides that mess with peoples heads
and i will influence their thinking
umbral reef
Tupper owns us all though 
civic plume
oh fucks sake
civic plume
first 5 people to ping tupper i give 50 bucks too in their currency
kidding
goodnight
this is wierd
chat mod
vocal shard
I knew tupper as .. another user back in the day.. and i respect what hes done.. yet i still pick at his tutorials because i know differently
and so its okay to compete guys..
its like AMD and intel users..
umbral reef
Also- I can just ping him in ghosto's server as tupper is now in there :4head:
Cant ban me in there :GWnanamiSenjoSmug:
vocal shard
everyone knows AMD is superior.. 😉
umbral reef
Ask @inner cape
civic plume
love u tupper dont ban
umbral reef
I managed to shitpost tupper into the server 
umbral reef
He muted it already though
civic plume
darn
vocal shard
I've been here.. since the very start.. ignore the fact that good old Omega has not god a beta tag.. there's a dam good reason for that
and its best they dont know 😉
umbral reef
And no bullying tupper anymore as he delivered neat work with optimization stuff yesterday 👌
vocal shard
DJ Ogre is the original person who brought me into this community.
civic plume
he did?
vocal shard
yep.
civic plume
i beat him with my love
umbral reef
Yea- Lemme dig it up
civic plume
thanks 💜
umbral reef
Or well- You cna look in #public-world-request as they are hammering down on avatar worlds
and (time to find the link, 1 second)
civic plume
good
vocal shard
Back when kneasox was active before the ban 😛
umbral reef
vocal shard
The first place i visited in vrchat was kneasox's bar which was a strip club..
and it influenced me into creation.
umbral reef
Its a draft so far- If you have feedback you can dm him if its serious or if its not your thing to dm can submit and email to hello@vrchat.com OR easier- Click suggest eddit on that website
civic plume
are these new limitations on the sdk, eg. max Skinned mesh renderers 1, or 2? then we cant upload? and idk max dyn bones and what not
vocal shard
The best way to reach Tupper is to spam his twitter so his phone goes mental.
just saying 😄
umbral reef
Nope-
Its just the rules avatar worlds ahve to enforce
And we have an easier way to educate some users now instead of getting called a racist for telling someone to not use 300 dynamic bone scripts 
civic plume
oh so this only goes for avatar worlds?
umbral reef
Its an start
vocal shard
Simplistic rules dont break 20k cap and use common sense
umbral reef
20K is dumb lmao
umbral reef
Just combine materials, dont go above 64K poly's and try to limit dynamic bone scripts and the bones effected by them
tacit plank
I follow rules that make sense, when they make sense
civic plume
alot people dont
umbral reef
And limit colliders
civic plume
if your good at optimization then dont even bother lmao
vocal shard
Yes.. well i use a default avatar.. seeing as im a map creator i could care less what i look like mostly
umbral reef
Ezpz- You now know how to optimize stuff
and most cna be done by using Cats plugin in blender
And by not doing things 
Wowie what hard!
jolly kelp
Oclac big gay
tacit plank
And I limit materials and dynamic bones, even though I'm allowed to overuse them
umbral reef
@jolly kelp 
Says who :^)
tacit plank
Point is, trust your own judgement if you're knowledgable
civic plume
i express myself through my avatar and my worlds and i push past that shit. i am free you aren't
jolly kelp
Me
median basalt
I express myself too, and "myself" wishes to have a lag-free experience
Therefore I am considerate in how I make my avatars, and that counts 10 times as much for my public ones
jolly kelp
What no man. I'm busy
civic plume
i never said my expression is make you crash mate im gonna get triggered if you assume once more
umbral reef
Weak
median basalt
???
civic plume
im kidding 💜
jolly kelp
I'm from phone I can't join you
umbral reef
Evne more weak
civic plume
i know how to optimize an avatar properly just like all the other pro's and thats that
im going to bed
bye bye guys 💜
jolly kelp
You're weak
civic plume
Ok
jolly kelp
Bye 😊
tacit plank
Sometimes, rules are made by people with less experience or knoweldge than yourself, or people who just have bad judgement. In those cases, trust yourself more
umbral reef
Oki
civic plume
:p
jolly kelp
See I told you!!
civic plume
wait
umbral reef
I gotta eat healthy man, so if i can get some peaches i wont pass
tacit plank
If you have a sense of ethics and what's right or wrong, you shouldn't even need to read the rules of the area you're in, because you will be following those that make sense automatically
civic plume
why is every russian always the bunny avatar.. why not something else. its always the same 
jolly kelp
I prefer nectarines
umbral reef
Bunny?
umbral reef
@jolly kelp Its all about them vitamin gummies
vocal shard
The original russian avatar is either that tank with the song built into it that annoys everyone.. or knuckles...
jolly kelp
Oh yeah I love sintetic gummies
civic plume
Goodnight
vocal shard
night night 😛
umbral reef
Nighty monty
civic plume
💜
queen mango
Good night, Monty
umbral reef
But pixel boi- How ya doing
civic plume
night elire 💜
jolly kelp
I'm working that's why I said busy
vocal shard
im eating something lebeled off as a scampi and its a crab stick... not sure what ito say.. it has the texture of rubber
vocal shard
its not
vital rune
so with this avatar thing
not only public avatars would be strictly enforced with the optimization rules
even your own personal avatars....crap
queen mango
They're gonna have to go with this until a better rule is made
vocal shard
does anyone ever ping another user?
queen mango
Unoptimized avatars are really getting out of hand
vital rune
most of my personal avatars are unoptimized out the ass
well not THAT unoptimized
but mainly on the material side of things
queen mango
@vocal shard Yes.
vital rune
strangely tho I hardly seem to use them thanks to avatar favoriting
vocal shard
I wanted to show a video to a friend of mine, who's name is toxic?
I know he's here in this chat.
or at least somewhere.
jolly kelp
Oh yee suc on these 12 materials mmm @umbral reef
queen mango
🤔
vocal shard
thanks Amanagi.
civic plume
when i first got my avatar it has 62 materials XD
umbral reef
@jolly kelp Ban
queen mango
Np, but one more thing... Try not to ping Admins or anyone in the VRChat team when it isn't an urgent issue or serious emergency
umbral reef
Look at my twitter pixel to see how hard im working 
umbral reef
Its a robot 👀 So it counts for my job
But nah- I got asked to do an presentaion over robotics
And i cant drag 25K machines around in my car
but i can drag this fella around
and a USB of video's from the others
Also this is #general-media before we get yeeted
jolly kelp
Who needs em amirit
frozen trout
Probably getting tons of messages
umbral reef
They can just disable dm's from this server
ocean bramble
Yesterday I started updating cats to Blender 2.8. For anyone interested, here is how the UI will look like: https://i.imgur.com/xB0EbEX.png
umbral reef
Ow my 
safe prism
you're the world's greatest blenderer
ocean bramble
ocean bramble
I don't really like that it's on the right side now
ocean bramble
Yes, only those transform options are on the left
glossy wharf
thats so fucking weird
ocean bramble
But other than that I like it
vocal shard
Is the menu stuck to the right side?
ocean bramble
Yes
vocal shard
Haven't used 2.8 at all
vocal shard
That's gonna be annoying.
ocean bramble
2.8 is not usable for making models yet
queen mango
It may take some time to get used to
umbral reef
Advert look at my twatta 
vocal shard
Twatta?
umbral reef
vocal shard
Gib boye
vocal shard
I'll raise it like its my own-
umbral reef
Oi- Its my job to raise them
And educte them
Make them smart enough to do my own work!
tame wadi
I should start using blender
I have an idea of how to use it but i have no idea how to rig
Or add animations
umbral reef
Animations are mainly done within Unity though
sterile drift
Now I'm actually really wondering what Blender was thinking when they thought "Hey let's redesign the UI."
umbral reef
"Lets make it even less user friendly "
tame wadi
So its like switching from fusion 360 to solidworks
Im in for a bad time
Solidworks has one of the most aids ui
gleaming patio
these tiny looking version jumps in blender always change so much
tame wadi
Another thing about solid works
Crashes galore
Its old versions were stupid unstable
The new ones are better from my experience
gleaming patio
well, it seems like solidworks is a lot more stable if you use certified(tm) hardware
mellow herald
I like french fries.
gleaming patio
xeon and a quadro
gleaming patio
i dont know
tame wadi
I think launchimg it with a 1060 is a little overkill
gleaming patio
like HiCad with their completely INANE activation system
tame wadi
Ill just run it off my cpu
gleaming patio
or megacad with their also inane activation system
tame wadi
Whats the worst hardware posting experience youve ever had?
gleaming patio
posting experience?
gleaming patio
you mean like, bios POSTing?
tame wadi
Yeah
gleaming patio
it working when it pretty much wants to
i hate errors that appear and disappear on leisure
tame wadi
Some motherboards are aids to post on
gleaming patio
built a ryzen rig for someone just lately
tame wadi
Ryzen 3?
tame wadi
O nice so a little higher end
tame wadi
Oh
gleaming patio
and then turned off for good
tame wadi
Not nice
gleaming patio
i told them to buy a seasonic
quartz basin
For what purpose?
gleaming patio
they saw a coolermaster 50% off psu, bought that
gleaming patio
i put in the coolermaster psu
DEAAAD
🤷
said i told them to just buy a seasonic
there you go
gleaming patio
someone ruined it and sold it off instead?
tame wadi
😂
gleaming patio
honestly, you know what the i9 is in my opinion?
tame wadi
Only reason i would buy an i9 is for the ridiculous amount of ram
gleaming patio
the ryzen 2700x is not that much worse than an i9
tame wadi
Dual i9
tame wadi
Hmmm?
gleaming patio
dual i9 with 400w cTDP
tame wadi
Uff
gleaming patio
how about containing 800w of top usage
tame wadi
Wanna hear a better joke?
gleaming patio
xeon phi?
gleaming patio
how about intel GPUs :haha:
gleaming patio
wew
you know whats a good one too
i9 7900xe and i9 9900xe is the same processor
gleaming patio
i heard that one on irc lately
"i bought a 1200w psu so i can still use it in 15 years"
gleaming patio
how can it get any better
safe prism
9980XE is just soldered on
safe prism
i9 was 6th gen but numbered 7
tame wadi
Ahhh
safe prism
HEDT has always been offset by one
safe prism
6900K wears 6 but it's broadwell not skylake
5960X wears 5 but it's haswell not broadwell
4900K wear 4 but it's ivy bridge not haswell, etc
tame wadi
I got my laptop for such a good price
It was 900 dollara for a 1060 16gb ram i7 8700 and 144hz monitor
I gtg
weary cypress
Is vrchat good? i mean i have been playing for a quick 1 hour
cant quite find anything
either my world doesn't load anymore
or i just crash
and it happens after somebody say something and then i realized they it's repeating XD
tame wadi
My teacher in next class hates phones so cya guys
umbral reef
Are you running it on a litteral potato meph?
weary cypress
umm... 34gb left of storage ? XD
umbral reef
On both drives?
umbral reef
Hmm should be enough kinda
umbral reef
EU peeps are about to hop on and stuff yea
weary cypress
that's great, just that most of the rooms are like 300 people but there's like 3 lobby only
i just wanna do my daily routine of being a waiter in great pug again @_@
but then... i have some issues where i cant pick things up and etc
and one of my controller's trackpad is not that responsive anymore
gleaming patio
fuckin vive trackpads jesus
gleaming patio
they take steam controller technology which works well in steam controller
weary cypress
and no i didn't punch a wall or drop my controller before
gleaming patio
htc really did a disservice to people with the controllers
umbral reef
Mine broke from hitting the wall but some nice pushing it fixed it
weary cypress
man i mean vive , oh yeah it's vive , premium
but then it's like
what the hell man
my controllers...
gleaming patio
so premium but then it's like they just apply the cheapest build
gleaming patio
the steam controllers dont have the same problem and they use the same touchpad tech i presume
umbral reef
Tried to get in contact with them yet about it?
weary cypress
unfortunately no , mine is shipped from other country as my country doesn't make vive
gleaming patio
yeah then you send it away to them
weary cypress
and well i will just assume that they going to charge double the price to fix it anyway
gleaming patio
and there you go, no more vr for 4 weeks
weary cypress
i mean it doesn't bothers me
just ... joking , i shake my controller more than i actually play the game
gleaming patio
no it's pretty real
i'm glad valve is intending to produce their own controllers
even though the steam controller does feel flimsy somehow
weary cypress
volvo making controllers?
inner cape
Ginger, what time is it for you?
inner cape
Holy
weary cypress
i usually gets on at night cause my parents wont be here as im using my entire living room as my play area
weary cypress
not really actually
inner cape
Rip shleep
inner cape
Huh
weary cypress
Umm, as in like serving people drinks and food
weary cypress
i have been watchin them for 10 minute straight , they're just staring at the mirror
afk
inner cape
Don't look at them
weary cypress
or there will be that one person with full body twerking
inner cape
Mirror people are pretty stupid
weary cypress
and everyone surrounding that person
inner cape
Mhm
weary cypress
or no lag box if i want to crash my game
inner cape
Very stereotypical of a pug
weary cypress
i find desktop people more enjoyable
weary cypress
they talk a lot
and jokes
around
like throwing things
but vr users doesn't throw things
gleaming patio
because throwing things in vr is mostly broken tbh
weary cypress
or there will be that one person be like
gleaming patio
they just fall down
inner cape
It isn't
weary cypress
''hey your shaders is wrong , your avatar sucks , there's this and that''
like points out every single thing
inner cape
If it falls you're doing something wrong
weary cypress
and i was like , im new to making avatar.
inner cape
weary cypress
then i got blocked
inner cape
Ow damn
umbral reef
@weary cypress just tell them there avater has to many dynamicbones :^)
inner cape
LUL
umbral reef
Also feel free to add me Ingame
Same nickname as on here
weary cypress
or there will be this one person that's really afraid to go to public world or the person might get crash so enable safety
inner cape
That would prolly be true
weary cypress
while i only get crash twice
vocal shard
I need someone that can help me with an animation
weary cypress
i didn't use the safety feature till now
gleaming patio
@weary cypress i like you, can i add you
umbral reef
@vocal shard #animation
vocal shard
I'm trying to use the ink effects shown on bendy
weary cypress
if i crash then crash cause like , hey
im not sacrificing 10 people , so that the one only person that crashes me wouldn't be able to crash me... right?
i dont know
just my opinion
umbral reef
Haven't crashed yet and I got no safety stuff on
weary cypress
even when i go to presentation room or anywhere , people with desktop interacts with you
gleaming patio
ive had some weird crashing two days ago
weary cypress
or anyone else more than a vr user does
gleaming patio
just froze for no reason when a friend left for another world
weary cypress
well i mean crashing or anything , so be it
every game have flaws >.>
just that i dont like the fact that people are so afraid of public worlds
so usually i just turn into a user and just wanders around
20% of the time people just block me
cause im a user
this is what have became >.>
glossy wharf
The VRChat Experience
weary cypress
my friend as a user , actual user on vrchat , half of the people cant see my friend.
inner cape
Yo ginger, if you want a nice public experience, you should hang out with oclacs group
inner cape
That's fine
weary cypress
i dont understand youtube vrchat content
it's so different
youtube vrchat is like the game
and when you play vrchat , that's the reality
umbral reef
It's fake friends shit and the best moment of a full day playing
glossy wharf
Youtube VRChat is groups of people that have separated themselves from publics to be able to enjoy the game
and most of it was back in feb when vrchat had the big hype
weary cypress
im having a hard time enjoying the game
glossy wharf
Yes because most publics are just cancer.
Welcome to the VRChat of late 2018 and not early 2018
weary cypress
ugh
gleaming patio
"to be able to enjoy the game" heh
weary cypress
can i just rollback time
to january
where im a desktop user
where the game is so fun
im not going to lie but ... it felt like a different game for me
gleaming patio
my problem with that is that the comfort zone gets too boring for me
inner cape
I wish I went to more publics before
weary cypress
80% of my friends are desktop users since january
now everyone is vr users
but guess what
they dont talk anymore , they just stare at the mirror touching each other
gleaming patio
LOL
weary cypress
i mean i stare at the mirror too but then it's like
gleaming patio
ive done that, talk hours to friends
weary cypress
not for the next one hour
glossy wharf
People in publics are just boring now. They all sit in front of mirrors staring at their shitty avatars and being mutes and when they have vr they dont even fucking use it for social interaction or any stuff they would benefit from.
they just erp
weary cypress
that person says no microphone
gleaming patio
too real, just being in love with yourself is too easy
weary cypress
i was like , you're using a v i v e
and then i was like alright , im just going to talk to myself
glossy wharf
The amount of mutes in the game is too much now
glossy wharf
cant even fucking have a conversation at all anymore
gleaming patio
at all?
weary cypress
i think having vr is like making you wanna be mute i dont know
no offense, mute users are fun
but they just dont interact that much anymore
glossy wharf
i only play desktop now so people know im up for talking shit and having fun.
weary cypress
i dont know how to explain
but i think im going to put my vive aside
and use desktop mode instead
glossy wharf
I bought fullbody and literally did that
weary cypress
it's more fun that way
gleaming patio
ugh i didnt know i now belong to a group of self absorbed assholes by doing vr
glossy wharf
i enjoy the game so much more in desktop mode
just talking mad shit to people and getting funny reactions
then having a fun time together
gleaming patio
i dont get how you couldnt do that in vr
weary cypress
when you can move your arms and stuff doesn't mean you are unable to talk >.>
glossy wharf
^
weary cypress
that's what i wanna ... tell everyone
like okay i understand , you wanna be mute , it's fine
But then
glossy wharf
I personally prefer desktop as its easier to still talk to peeps in discord and also singing is easier for me in desktop
weary cypress
wait
glossy wharf
so thats why i do it
gleaming patio
because when you can move your arms you have a substitute for actually talking to people, a sort of sign language
glossy wharf
Nah its actually VRMirror
weary cypress
then interact with sign language then
gleaming patio
anyway this conversation is three people talking past each other
weary cypress
not just stare at the mirror
gleaming patio
and BOX
glossy wharf
and B O X Mirror edition
gleaming patio
is one of the most popular maps
weary cypress
like there's that one guy twerking alone on the mirror in great pug , i walk up and he asks me , hey is my twerking good? wanna see?
i was like so you bought all these just to twerk to the mirror
glossy wharf
Yea those people get the
"I'm more disappointed than your parents would be if they saw that"
weary cypress
oh yeah can you imagine no lag box , huge mirror with 10 + people?
staring at mirror and not talking for the next 20 minutes?
yeah.
glossy wharf
Good times.
glossy wharf
I do
gleaming patio
you know, i am personally actually trying to be a more interactive person, but i have a kind of shyness or introvertedness that puts me off
weary cypress
ya know , youtube videos are like edited or scripted
it looks fun
but when you actually get on the game
it's so different
rough pulsar
No lie, I bought three vive trackers so I could twek and generally shake my ass in VR
Then I justified the purchase by actually playing with the SteamVR API with them and made a (nasty) motion recorder in blender.
gleaming patio
the other day i played uno with a friend in vrchat lol
glossy wharf
i am disappointed.
gleaming patio
he murdered me but it was so fun
weary cypress
i dont know how to explain >.>
twerking is fine , i dont really mind
just that ...
i felt like the game have changed or something
rough pulsar
VRChat has changed a lot over the last two years
glossy wharf
gleaming patio
the game changed into a more accurate representation of real life with an anonymity veil basically
general appeal and all
glossy wharf
Makes game where people can interact with people from all over the world representing themselves as any avatar they choose to upload
People use it to have online sex and be annoying cunts <
DELETE THE GAME
rough pulsar
I do miss the days where you didn't actually need to friend someone to guarantee seeing them again.
You could wind up in the hub, have a fun time with some people, leave and come back a few days later and run into them again.
glossy wharf
so?
weary cypress
now everyone is picky
sterile drift
An entire Uganda with VR?
gleaming patio
people use it to throw away their veil of communication
their... socialness
and just be themselves but turns out being themselves means being like any other ass
glossy wharf
idk when i got my vr i still talked shit but i also flung my arms around like an idiot.
weary cypress
now it's like when you ask a person to be friend
that persons doubting you
literally >.>
weary cypress
like everyone is so hostile wtf
gleaming patio
actually never had that
glossy wharf
And im like, yeah nvm just decline
sterile drift
I mean it's more like for me I don't accept it if I haven't met you before
Not as a safety thing
More that I have a ton of people already
weary cypress
i talked to this one person just now , for like 20 minutes straight , having interacting and stuff
inner vale
Guess I'm still too new. I accept a lot of friend requests, lol.
gleaming patio
so you need to meet peolpe twice randomly to accept their friend
rough pulsar
That's why I only accept (or send) FRs after I've had some kind of meaningful interaction with someone
Which also lets me get a feel on what they're like as a person
rough pulsar
Shockingly, VRChat being a social platform requires social skills.
sterile drift
Again that's how I am Gallium
weary cypress
it's like you caught a rare legendary pokemon if someone talk to you on vrchat
rough pulsar
Haha, you haven't met me.
Mention a subject I know about or am interested in and good luck getting me to shut up
inner vale
Yep. Especially about my Pokemon avatar. ^^
glossy wharf
ALso anyone wanna be my co star wars cantina band members
sterile drift
Sukotto lmao
glossy wharf
im finishing porting them today and i need more members
sterile drift
Is that bashing me
inner vale
No, I really have one. Zoroark
sterile drift
Oh I thought
glossy wharf
Some are just insecure
weary cypress
it aint real life
sterile drift
Sukotto you should see my Pokemon avatars
civic plume
so you know how i said i would sleep...
sterile drift
I get bored sometimes and I just create trainers.
tame wadi
Bacl
civic plume
i haven't XD
sterile drift
Out of the existing parts
tame wadi
Back*
weary cypress
or firs thing first is ''are you a male or female''
sterile drift
ECKSDEE 👌 
gleaming patio
it's making me insecure as fuck and not wanting to talk if no one aknowledges my existance
lol
rough pulsar
@weary cypress Sometimes it is legit social anxiety, fear of looking like an idiot or some other insecurity.
Then there's some who legit don't have a working mic, they're rare.
There's also a few (very few) who are unable to speak.
sterile drift
hUH?
weary cypress
Ahh
inner vale
For me they come up and go "Oh cool a Pokemon/Zoroark!"
sterile drift
For me people just ignore me
weary cypress
but i find these people cool where they have a vive but says that they dont have microphone
and convince me that they really dont have one
civic plume
i walk into convos and make friends
floral aspen
I've met a user who was unable to speak. It was interesting trying to interact and communicate with him
sterile drift
It's great when you wanna talk to people and they just pass you by.
glossy wharf
@weary cypress wanna be my mom
sterile drift
And you're too awkward to engage in the first place
glossy wharf
civic plume
ansswer me!
weary cypress
all i want is just roleplay and have a roleplay family >.>
civic plume
XD want to be friend