yeah
#vrchat-general-2
vocal shard
umbral reef
and what does that change?
rigid crescent
makes me feel better though
vocal shard
they don't spread dumb rumors in the offical discord
where 50k people can potentially read stuff
rigid crescent
still makes its way into my discords though
umbral reef
Still- To ask it again
What can we directly change
We cant kick users- Most we can do is inform the one's who care and even that is a steep uphill battle
umbral reef
Then an big discord just says the opisite agian and lmao back to -2
@rigid crescent I mean all over VRC with anything
rigid crescent
ahh, basically nothing
make yourself feel better by insulting people
actually no, here's my flowchart
vocal shard
mitch murder is actually in this discord 
rigid crescent
lol im sure
queen mango
π π
rigid crescent
"it's fake. this is how it actually works." "WELL YA NEVER KNOW, JUST IN CASE"
umbral reef
The best we can do is be an free tech support but all we get is harassment for that π
Can be from hour long witch hunting video's or constant dms from strangers asking for help
Or being insulted flat out in this discord
rigid crescent
"YEAH I'LL STAY IN PRIVATES JUST TO BE SAFE" then i start berating
vocal shard
"people can fry your cpu and ban you"
"this has been confirmed"
umbral reef
So even within this small bubble we cant do proper shit 
vocal shard
never happened a single time
rigid crescent
yeah, the bans were temp bans
vocal shard
they werent actually
rigid crescent
he relog type
vocal shard
it was just a message in front of you
rigid crescent
whatever it was. it was the "just relog forehead" type
queen mango
You mean a force restart?
umbral reef
Gotta log back in the game though
vocal shard
they you had the logout with a warning message
umbral reef
So it was a bit more annoying
vocal shard
it was fixed pretty fast tho
umbral reef
But thats the past- The rumor will stay arund forever so lets not waste energy ranting
vocal shard
but it feels good to rant sometimes
rigid crescent
lemme see if i can find another
vocal shard
mitch murder
umbral reef
Be honest- We do that daily in here by now as we just scream into a black void of nothing
vocal shard
yeah i know it's pointless
but it makes me feel better at least
it's rare but sometimes we can get some random answer
umbral reef
On pointless shit or things we learn an day/hour faster then everyone else
vocal shard
i rsnted a bit about the over use of dyn bone and how the world are getting checked properly but it's not consistent
umbral reef
Woopie doo
vocal shard
and tupper actually explained a bit about why dyn bone is bad
so i guess it's good enough
literally any information is good when you have nothing most of the time
umbral reef
Meanwhile my question still got skipped π
vocal shard
too much detail to reveal i guess
umbral reef
My question was legit
"Oi tupper is there a place to request/give idea's for anything but the game 
Or does the canny count for anything and everything owned by vrc"
rigid crescent
he's making tik tok videos
covert chasm
also i have a present for you, its half-done because it doesn't have videos yet
rigid crescent
dont listen to him
covert chasm
@vocal shard https://docs.vrchat.com/docs/avatar-optimizing-tips
pinging you since you were part of the discussion too
rigid crescent
fat nut
umbral reef
I get that totally- Im not blaming you-
Its just when i ask anyone else we /can/ reach i get 3a4 different signals and answers...
covert chasm
Canny's the primary mode of "suggestion" comms
ruby needle
"do you want your avatar to be efficient"
I'd make it "To make your avatar efficient"
do people want it?
no
they are lazy
should they? yes
covert chasm
yes, its kind of a first draft
since y'all were askin
i thought i'd just post it up anyhow
covert chasm
np
ruby needle
ruby needle
i know 
vocal shard
rigid crescent
this is the first time in a while i feel like we've been listened to lol
since like...particle limit
vocal shard
true
umbral reef
Its a really nice document btw
Explains a lot of stuff clearly and short
covert chasm
its hard, because admittedly having lots of dynamic bones can be fun
but nobody knows how bad they are
rigid crescent
but yeah i know it's not a direct outcome of this specific conversation
covert chasm
(answer: they're REALLY bad)
rigid crescent
yeah, i didn't know til you roasted me/my friend
ruby needle
it's crazy to see how far people also go for colliders
rigid crescent
well, how bad at least
rigid crescent
yeah lemme find something scary
covert chasm
like
ruby needle
i had people literally asking be why i dont have a floor collider
so my tail does not sink in
and im like
rigid crescent
LOL
ruby needle
WHAT
vocal shard
lets me just get my 100 dyn bone and 12 colliders
don't mind me, just nuking the whole instance
rigid crescent
https://puu.sh/BTMHP/04356ffa9d.png check this one out
covert chasm
this is by no means scientific or technical, but: 100 dynbones ~= drawing, processing IK for, and processing voice for a whole 'nother player
vocal shard
what the fuck mic
queen mango
Nyaow! This is quite hard to catch up.
rigid crescent
yeah, it was a friend
umbral oracle
One suggestion: I wouldn't necessarily say "if you have more than 10 materials, look into atlasing". you should always atlas textures and materials. You should have a good reason for each material
rigid crescent
supposedly they fixed it when i shit on them though
ruby needle
what
covert chasm
one step at a time, Lyuma
ruby needle
is that
covert chasm
π
umbral oracle
π
rigid crescent
this isn't including the ones around the waist for the skirt
vocal shard
also can we correct the typo in the sdk ? thx
umbral reef
But having something like what you did earlier.
Saying / something / about X topic is being worked on (and its not about to get removed (the X thing) and ect so almost finished stuff) goes far with communication.
If we atleast know what is the focus of a part of the team we can quit ranting about it and inform users better also when they ask about it.. As all we can most of the time say or tell them to do is wait.
vocal shard
@umbral oracle CATS is warning you if you have more than 10 materials
people that don't know anything about optimization will use CATS, let's be honest here
so they will see that message
umbral oracle
ok nice to have the tooling be consistent
tacit plank
A simple "we're working on it" is nice to hear too
umbral oracle
ya at least most of the community goes through CATS so they are likely to see stuff put there
tacit plank
CATS has contributed a lot to VRChat I feel
umbral reef
What is big imo to know-
Any process is neato compared to radio silence
Teasers like we got on twitter are neato~
rigid crescent
i wonder how "against the rules" the scanner they use on avatars ingame is
or if they're just ripping it from the cache
tacit plank
Scanner? That's new to me
I'm fairly sure they're just cache ripping. Use CATS anti-theft and upload as private and laugh at their pitiful avatar stealing attempts
rigid crescent
i mean scanner is a silly word for it
covert chasm
Not possible without doing Bad Thingsβ’.
rigid crescent
figures
umbral oracle
Tupper, the documentation is really nice. Some of the stuff is widely known in the community but it's nice to have these things on an official source too.
umbral reef
@umbral oracle I suggest you take a peek at #public-world-request and then the list of what worlds get accepted and denied
Its fairly far from beng well known by people...
tacit plank
I guess you could copy the avatars memory block, but at that point you more or less deserve the ability to steal avatars... If you didn't just download somebody elses script of course
umbral reef
Its insane what some peeps try to upload in there public avatar worlds π
umbral oracle
ya I've been following that. It's good we are putting pressure on avatar creators to improve the overall quality
tacit plank
I like seeing what sounds like totally empty worlds or clones being rejected
covert chasm
@umbral oracle Thanks. Please use the "Suggest Edits" button if you have something you want to add or see corrected.
Or just DM me!
rigid crescent
add a bunch of insults, that's what I use to get people to optimize
usually works
umbral reef
Dming tupper 
queen mango
Oof
covert chasm
I don't want to bully, I just want to educate. People already want to learn-- they learned how to create avatars, so...
rigid crescent
true
covert chasm
sure
tacit plank
Officials can't insult people. You need the community to like the game, or else they will feel justified in doing things which harms it
rigid crescent
hire me i'll insult people all day
vocal shard
thanks Tupper, really great that you are doing this
umbral reef
Inb4 rokk writes a full book in tuppers dm's on things to be perfect
vocal shard
wouldnt surprise me
tacit plank
But yeah, you can redeem 1 free head-pat if I run into you in game Tupper
umbral reef
He is a smart cookie when it comes to stuff he likes so
rigid crescent
"Back in 2005, when unity was first launched..."
vocal shard
rigid crescent
smh tupper joins a world im hanging out with friends in and the orbiters just flow in lol
you wanna get a world populated, just have him join for like 5 minutes
vocal shard
getting patted by Cirno controlled by Tupper
empty wharf
Sign this petition to have Tupper give me a headpat
hasty wedge
i want tupper to freeze me like he does to frogs
tacit plank
Pats are the currency of VRChat, or so I was told by somebody who felt he had pet me long enough
queen mango
Nyaow! Gimme headpats, Tuppy
empty wharf
Gimme victims
umbral reef
This chat went #general-media style fast
queen mango
Ruubick is here too
umbral reef
cough i blame tupper for it but lets move
queen mango
Might wanna move to #general-media
tacit plank
I've never met Tupper before I think
rigid crescent
i've seen him through mutuals usually
rigid crescent
then the world is suddenly populated lol
compact river
really not even a pop in "hey guys dont do that"?
rigid crescent
i've seen a few
i think three or four?
tupper, blank name dude, ron, and a guy with a name i forgot
compact river
a year ago it was almost every day a few times a day
really made me wonder how they got anything done
tacit plank
I think they work harder now, but that might be worse on some areas too. Stress kind of ruins creativity
idle elm
They have always worked hard.
compact river
a day without seeing the pill snake or that other guy idk why i forgot was rare at one point
idle elm
Lots of stuff being worked on is all just coming together π
tacit plank
Oh, I don't doubt that, but they might not have time to take as much breaks anymore
Some updates ago I read something like "here you go, the dev team is off to sleep now"
umbral oracle
that comes from passion too, not just stress
tacit plank
That's true
vocal shard
hi guys im just coming back to VRchat i stopped playing it for a couple of months since last time it almost made my computer crash and i see that alot has changed since then and i had no idea that banning was a thing now and they've updated finger signs as well
subtle prawn
Welcome back and enjoy the show π
rigid crescent
how long ago did you play?
i dont think the core gestures have changed at all unless it's really been that long
vocal shard
somewhere around there
queen mango
I first logged on at that time
subtle prawn
The times of vr screenshakes in lagged words
queen mango
Back then.. Knuckles was fading out of existence, Minecraft UI scripts used to be a norm
rigid crescent
the hand gestures changed??
queen mango
Plus the earrapey version of their music
rigid crescent
oh maybe the old vive controls or something
subtle prawn
Yea vive stuff
vocal shard
also when i came back i went to the pug and i walked over to some dudes then the guy started yelling at me over my avatar and asked me to send *** pics and then he told me to leave and if i didnt he said that he's ban me from the server so i immediately left so idk whats up with that
queen mango
Predators
queen mango
That's probably like a sex predator/fearmongerer
vocal shard
why are they in the game
back when i used to play it all of this stuff didnt even exist
ruby burrow
Being able to get banned from the game has always been a thing, but some random chump threatening you with it has no power at all.
It's only for actual offences like sustained harassment, hacking, etc.
Unless that Pug instance was a friends or invite instance that he created, he can't even kick you, let alone ban.
tame wadi
how many hours of playtime do i need to upload a custom model?
ruby burrow
If someone is giving you grief and won't stop, just mute or block them. If they're using an obnoxious avatar that's spamming noise, particles or distortion etc, you can now also block their avatar individually.
rigid crescent
no playtime hours are required, just play until you get an alert that says yo ucan
ruby burrow
It's based on a trust score system with no definite known factors. Varies on how you play Axo, but for most it's around 24 hours. I got mine within only 10 hours, some others take 40ish. Overall, just play normally.
tame wadi
do you use a htc vive or the oculus?
ruby burrow
Vive, although that's definitely not related to upload rights.
tame wadi
do you know anyone i could buy a used vive off of for a 100 dollars or so?
tame wadi
what would be the cheapest i could pick up a vive for?
vocal shard
You should think about if your PC can run VR first.
ruby needle
if you are on the cheap look into WMR
tame wadi
with an i7 7th gemk
compact river
if money is a problem go with mixed or save up
ruby needle
WMR isn't even that bad 
tame wadi
WMR? go into detail havent heard of the term before
ruby needle
Windows Mixed Reality
queen mango
It refers to a range of VR headsets released under Microsoft.
Headsets are manufactured by Acer, ASUS, Lenovo, Dell, and HP
Spec requirements are lower than those on the Oculus or the Vive. Means you can use a laptop that has a 965M or higher. Screen resolution is higher, too.
ruby burrow
Personally I would either save for a non pre-owned Vive, or get a WMR yeah.
One problem with buying a used Vive, is that you're more likely to get one of the older models rather than the newer lighter weight version.
tame wadi
im tempted with an oculus but i heard the tracking is pretty bad for faster paced games
ruby needle
no 
vocal shard
oculus tracking bad!?! wtf no
tame wadi
i heard it freaks out when playing beat saber
ruby burrow
The tracking is near equal to Vive in most practical uses, but only if you buy additional sensors to cover the full range.
queen mango
It doesn't
ruby needle
maybe for a individual who has something wrong
but even for me with 2 sensors on 2.0 on a 360Β° setup
no issues at all
vocal shard
If you've set your sensor wrong, then that'll have problem with the tracking.
Otherwise, it won't.
tame wadi
black friday is coming around
queen mango
One of my friends uses it for Beat Saber and doesn't notice anything wrong with it
ruby burrow
Oculus sensors have a lower field of view, and a max range of 3m vs lighthouses with 5m.
tame wadi
how heavy are vive controllers?
ruby needle
i have done tests with my death spots with distances of ~4m to a single sensor vision
tame wadi
i heard they are quite heavy compared with the oculus
rigid crescent
same weight as rift
tacit plank
Vive controllers are pretty light
ruby needle
ofc accuracy with that is not the greatest but add a second and it gets way better
ruby burrow
Well it states the optimum range as being 2m.
vocal shard
the rift controllers just have a much better way of doing gestures and some other things
FPaul π
Have you heard of TupperWare?
It sometimes leaks
tacit plank
I play with 2 kilo wrist weights because my body is shit from sitting all day for years. It's still not a problem.
I play VRChat and not beatsaber, but it should be alright..
ruby needle
aaaaaand thats my cue to bed
vocal shard
No
compact river
LOL
ruby needle
till tomorrow
tacit plank
For real now, I'm off to bed
vocal shard
Bye then
rigid crescent
how to fuck your wrists 101 lol
tacit plank
Good night
tacit plank
well, the weights are on the arm when adjusted right
tame wadi
im thinking on the oculus rift as it isnt as expensive as the vive and still has most of the features
vocal shard
They're so close. It's to preference
The rift isn't bad at all
Some like the rift more
tame wadi
would i want to buy extra sensors?
vocal shard
Vives more for performance guys imo
tacit plank
They both have their advantages
vocal shard
Yes
tame wadi
does the rift have full body tracking options?
vocal shard
Rifts more for enthusiasts who donβt have the space
Rift does have them
Not on it's own
ruby burrow
Whilst it sounds like you're already on a budget anyway, it's worth mentioning that Vive can do FBT, whilst Oculus cannot. (Spare using a kinect, which is... well, kinect.)
vocal shard
Not First Party ones
tame wadi
ew kinect xD
rigid crescent
Rift full body costs about 260 more than it would cost if you bought a vive to start with
vocal shard
If you're on a budget, I don't think you should think of getting FBT.
rigid crescent
if you go the tracker route
tame wadi
i dislike built in headphones id prefer to use my steelseries arctis 5s
rigid crescent
yeah you mentioned budget lol
ruby burrow
Personally I believe the Oculus being touted as cheaper is actually a trap and misconception.
rigid crescent
You can get full body on WMR, I have 2 friends that use it and it looks and seems to work fine, i cant tell the difference
vocal shard
Vive is more expensive at first tho
rigid crescent
yep
vocal shard
Just the base systems, I'd recommend the rift because the controllers are better than the vive
What'd they use with the WMR to get FBT?
rigid crescent
more expensive initial payment, cheaper full body
tame wadi
black friday will have some good sales
queen mango
Uhh... Kinect?
rigid crescent
probably not tbh
vocal shard
Vive has a nice upgrade path is you plan to spend more tho
Rift is great for those who donβt wanna/donβt have the money to get into FBT/other things
tame wadi
ill save money till then and see
queen mango
Or probably Nolo, Advert
vocal shard
Vive is more of a long term investment
ruby burrow
Without a third sensor you're absolutely not getting the same playspace, and Oculus only comes with a pair a awful desk stands. If you want wall mounts or tripods you have to buy them sepearately.
vocal shard
^ You should be sleepin
ruby needle
and...
vocal shard
I was talking about FBT
ruby burrow
Oculus also requires the purchase of rechargeable batteries+station separately.
ruby needle
im sorry advert 
vocal shard
And other upgrades
tame wadi
i have a massive area in the middle of my room
rigid crescent
i wouldnt expect any black friday VR deals
loud quail
ok
tame wadi
its like 4 ft by 5.5 ft
vocal shard
That isn't a big space
ruby burrow
You're buying regular ones in that case, which is even more expensive... '-'
tame wadi
its a rough approximation
loud quail
but that one moment where you get unbanned by an admin but a mod abusing moderator bans you AGAIN UGH
tame wadi
its actually much bigger
queen mango
Go to shleep, Paul
loud quail
FUCK IM SO ANGRY
rigid crescent
lol
queen mango
Hmm;
loud quail
can we please demote Rob
queen mango
Something happen?
loud quail
rob is a stinky bad mod abuser
tame wadi
plus the only "hard" object in that space is my bed
rigid crescent
whomstve
tame wadi
near*
queen mango
Uhh, who's Rob?
loud quail
ronb is a immature kid who Plays roblodx
ruby burrow
Vive can use any space up to it's max. There's no minimum.
tame wadi
i can take a picture
ruby burrow
It only recommends that because certain games make use of it.
tame wadi
brb
vocal shard
Yeah, I'm just saying 4x5.5 isn't consider a "massive" space
ruby burrow
Ah right.
vocal shard
Closet time
tame wadi
i looked at it again and its more of a >5x7 ft space
vocal shard
No just saying thatβs probably the space heβs referring to
Like if I had to compare it to something
queen mango
Kinda outta context, tho..
vocal shard
Never is
ruby burrow
Mine is about 7 by 7, with 3 feet of open space above furniture on three sides. Super lucky to have it, by low income British standards.
tame wadi
ill say this it can fit my body lenght and width wise with a couple feet on one side and a few inches on the other
i can get an exact measurement if you want
ruby burrow
No need really, that space is certainly plenty enough for the vast majority of games.
tame wadi
the only thing sticking up above 3 feet are my dressers which arent in the way
loud quail
we all HATE mods who abuse right
loud quail
i know
rigid crescent
the obvious answer is yes
loud quail
man this server is hard to make friends in
rigid crescent
not rly
compact river
not really for making friends
tame wadi
worst comes to worst i fall on my bed in the worst spot hit the edge and fall on my headset and instantly blackscreen it π
rigid crescent
honestly you aren't moving a lot in most games
the playspace size really isn't that important after a certain point
ruby burrow
Depends on the game. Some really reward motion. But the playspace is enough all the same.
compact river
i only really had problems using the standing still setup and then i could still do most things
just a bit of a pain
ruby burrow
I'd love to have some kind of even spaced padded VR room in future.
queen mango
That may have to wait, Squish.
ruby burrow
My room is pretty safe overall, but the dresser does provide at least one set of hard corners to hurt myself on.
tame wadi
wait till your making >100k a year π
queen mango
Probably in a timespan of 3-7 years, that may come
ruby burrow
Hah, unlikely Axo.
queen mango
@tame wadi Heh, maybe a high-ranking job can do that
tame wadi
throughout the world wealth is distributed sooo unequally
queen mango
And so is anime.
ruby burrow
I wasted my early years and fell into a bad period. Right now I'm just happy to have something stable.
Can't imagine ever pursuing some high pay career.
tame wadi
getting a scholarship if you go to college is one of the best things that can happen to you
queen mango
Ever wanna study a language, or math?
I heard they pay a big sum for accounting and translating
ruby burrow
Besides, unless you do things just right, earning that much and still having free time tend not to go together that often.
queen mango
Or maybe a graphics designer?
tame wadi
im attending a trade highschool rn
and planning on going into mdet
mechanical design and engineering technology
queen mango
Ooh. Nice, but I think we're treading into random chat territory in here
ruby burrow
I did graphic design in college actually. But I was aimless and unmotivated, and got lousy grades. Worked to a good standard, but no where near enough of it. Scored bare minimum to pass.
Have kind of been ashamed of it ever since.
queen mango
Oof
ruby burrow
Wasn't enough to get into university, and graphic design in this country is super competitive. Without going to Uni, you're simply not getting in the industry.
Oh right, random chat, yes.
queen mango
Heh, kinda into it there
vocal shard
ok who else wants orange justice as a dance in vr chat
There's a bunch that already have that
For their custom avatars
vocal shard
I have no fortnight dances
Feels special
Lol
rigid crescent
i think a lot of people just use it ironically, i haven't run into many that use it and also play fortnite
vocal shard
Yeah
royal pond
I donβt use it and donβt even know what it is β€
vocal shard
I have a friend that does that in FBT. Lol
umbral nova
I don't have Orange Justice, I have the Default Dance but it's more because I have an insane bass boosted version of the audio.
Well
I do have Orange Justice but I never use it
I prefer Luigi's Negative Zone dance
rigid crescent
wait
indigo fern
default dance π
rigid crescent
give weegee pls
halcyon kestrel
cough reddit needs redesign cough
old scroll
@tame lagoon
kindred nacelle
I don't think I've ever had such an agonizing wait, not even as a kid
I'm doing a major computer upgrade and I've picked out a VR headset and the sale prices don't go live until Black Friday
rigid crescent
oh is someone actually doing a black friday deal for vr
opaque hawk
Iirc that one has a oled screen
safe prism
they're all OLED screens afaik
thorny lark
^
safe prism
p much every VR HMD uses phone screens of various quality and resolution
commodity products :D
kindred nacelle
apparently it has the best screen of any device
opaque hawk
no not all wmr has a oled screen
but the samsung one has a oled screen because they are the patent holder
vocal shard
Finally got the name change I've been looking for
kindred nacelle
Is oled a good thing akalink?
opaque hawk
yes, less light/color bleed between high contrast areas
more chance for burn in though
kindred nacelle
and what does HMD stand for
Head... media ... device?
Hard Mounted Driver?
High Mark Disposition?
kindred nacelle
gotcha
night lava
anyone else bored as almighty hell tonight on vr?
cosmic sentinel
Greetings, friends.
copper musk
subtle prawn
cold talon
The last thing you would want
Is to sound like burger King foot lettuce guy
But as it turns out that's what you might get
hasty wedge
queen mango
Is that from the list the VRC Team have?
queen mango
Hmm...
opaque hawk
its a sea of pick and yellow
I'm super happy. My world got raided, barely any frame drops. My work on optimizing it has been validated.
queen mango
There's only two reds
They're probably the more severe cases
One is listed red for depicting images of s----de
hasty wedge
censoring suicide?
hasty wedge
median basalt
It does
vocal shard
we're not allowed to put dynamic bone colliders?
wtf
but it will clip through our bodies
if we dont use colliders
no they won't
they never helped
use better settings
median basalt
You can have colliders, just be smart about it
vocal shard
you can have 1
median basalt
Colliders won't stop clipping anyway
median basalt
You can have 2 if you're smart about the colliders tbh
vocal shard
no it's smart
short haired avatars only now
:/
ysou can have long hair
but with less bone
median basalt
I have plenty of avatars with long hair that don't have a million colliders
vocal shard
as the "best canadian avatar maker" you shouldn't even complain about that
optimization should be your priority
median basalt
It also helps to separate chains for collider usage, so only the front of the skirt responds to the colliders for example
vocal shard
lol
rough pulsar
DB and its colliders are horrific for performance
If you're out in public with people using avatars from worlds, that's why your fps is bad.
median basalt
So much for calling me a "noob" lol
vocal shard
@rough pulsar gallium, did you see that ridiculous world getting approved ?
which 1
the russia 1
?
cant you ask them to forcefully remove those avatar
median basalt
293 scripts, 393 bones, 59 colliders
median basalt
On one avatar
median basalt
I know people who actually used to do that lol
rough pulsar
VEXPO 2018?
Also I don't have anything to do with world approval.
vocal shard
is it intentional or do they not know how to make avatars
vocal shard
can't you ask π ±upper to check ?
median basalt
If this shit still gets approved then why would they care anyway?
rough pulsar
A lot of users struggle to install unity
They don't know
astral cliff
Or they just wanted to make a walking nuke
median basalt
The SDK doesn't exactly set the right example either
vocal shard
if the guy is making all his avatars like that maybe he just doesnt know what hes doing
that or hes a troll
he probably knows
but don't care
queen mango
Or probably unaware that his avatar is making problems
vocal shard
is there a way to propogate each bone with a script automatically?
wdym ?
or do you manually add the dynamic bone script to each bone
lmao
umbral reef
Fairly sure you gotta add them manually
vocal shard
293 scripts...
umbral reef
Whats the best aprt of this all
compact river
o my..
median basalt
You can mass select the bones and add the scripts
Funnily enough this means that the amount of transforms affected is even higher
vocal shard
there are some tools that allow to copy paste component faster and easier
he probably did something like that too
civic plume
when u see a custom avatar and then later see it again on the person it was for XD
fucking big oof ur work got stolen
on a real note tho; i hate that
vocal shard
stolen or shared by that person
civic plume
just wanted to say oof coz i haven't in a while and i found opportunity
vocal shard
but okay i guess
inner cape
Inb4 it's just an mmd port of a model which isn't really custom
civic plume
althrough i have a photo of the guy so i could if i wanted
compact river
ooof
queen mango
Oof
vocal shard
Yikes
compact river
nop
civic plume
yeah i dont like the word XD
compact river
u did dis
civic plume
its deaf meme but its kina apart of out English lang now so eh
its like cnt but oof, i use it only when i really need too XD
vocal shard
I never used to say it... But when I joined here (and in vrc), I heard it so much that it became part of my vocabulary... 
compact river
it started as a joke... now we are here
umbral reef
@vocal shard I have that with oi 
Been with so many aussies online and gaming when i learned english that its part of my vocabulary
unreal bison
Can anyone help me with rift audio problem? I can't hear others in game but when i open up the oculus menu i can hear them
inner cape
Try switching your output device
unreal bison
i mean i can hear them on my rift when i open up the app menu but when i close the menu i cant hear anything
tried switching the output alr
vocal shard
π
±upper people:
release a documentation about optimization and why dyn bone is bad
also π
±upper people : yeah let me just approve of this world with avatars that got 293 scripts, 393 bones, 59 colliders
queen mango
Ouch
compact river
median basalt
Tbh event worlds shouldn't get exceptions like those
queen mango
Woulda been nice if they send a version of their world for Q&A testing
inner cape
compact river
hey i would like to host a end a world event with a kind of avatar >->\
its event so it ok right?
vocal shard
Someone wanted to go home early.... Gotta time those worlds submissions right. Lol
median basalt
Yeah me too, I'm calling it "Rokk's Lag Literally The Entirety Of VRChat" event
I'm gonna post some avatars there with a dynamic bone script on every bone in my armature
umbral reef
@median basalt Lets go make an event
median basalt
For real though, I'm glad the devs are taking optimization so seriously now.
umbral reef
then we can get all your avatars aproved and wont have to spend any time into optimizing thing
median basalt
Just yeeting unoptimized worlds
queen mango
And avatars
compact river
median basalt
Yeah
Public worlds definitely have more of a responsibility to optimize their stuff
vocal shard
the fact that it's an event worlds and get approved is dumb
should be the other way aroeund
So what's gonna happen with those "FBT avatar" world's....
be more strict with it
With all their collider madness
they seems to be more optimized than the average
when they don't use fucking cloth on the hair
the skirt is very low poly
vocal shard
yes
cuz most people are fat fucks that can't move
or they buy FBT when they have like 30 cm of playspace
vocal shard
well
some FBT user will just chill most of the time
and actually start moving properly when there is something happening
glossy wharf
Is this a personal attack
hasty wedge
Is this a personal attack
vocal shard
I have a friend who uses fbt to help animate their expressions. They're a mute
compact river
a rare fbt
glossy wharf
I have fbt so i can have it on my shelf and play desktop mode
vocal shard
civic plume
bust ur balls, come pay and learn in unity
Unity, More like Seperation !
*** kill my self ***
vocal shard
Yikes
civic plume
damn
compact river
oof
glossy wharf
Is this an idiot?
glossy wharf
Yes inDeEd
umbral reef
You know what we need in game
Make it so your own avatar renders 10x times while moving before you load in
And if you crash you get a optimization warning
vocal shard
Lol
glossy wharf
Does anyone actually know the api endpoint to redownload my future proofed avatars.
safe prism
look at the avatar api response, you'll see the asset url.
vocal shard
I've been running Funland part 2 now everyday for a week and .. i cant seem to get to release point because i cant stop adding more and more.. at this rate it will become a standalone lol
I'm also kinda worried about the filesize.. i think it will be okay but i havent even bothered to test.. because at this point i just know all my creations work.. because unity is so piss easy i cant make mistakes.. but still.. i try and fit all my ideas in one map and thats half the trouble
ocean bramble
The feature creep is real
vocal shard
Well... as for feature creep i've no idea what that even means.. but .. i have a horror map and a heaven/hell type feature going on
it's what Funland V2 was supposed to be.. but that was my first map so.. i've improved alot since then.
I cant wait to see streamer reactions though.. π
ruby burrow
Feature creep is kind what you just described, when it's hard to prevent yourself adding "just one more" feature after the other, and before you know it the project is feeling too big to ever be complete.
vocal shard
shit your pants is a small part of what i've done.
oh i see
sorry im not up to date with those terms.. thanks btw
My favourite horror title ever made.. the only game i .. dont want to play because it puts me on edge is dreadhalls..
vocal shard
so i recreated it in vrchat..
inner cape
Squishy you joined bm but haven't talked much 
vocal shard
I love the name squishy.. it reminds me of porings from rangarok online.. yah know.. slimes.. like that VR title that was made ages back.. its cute lol
cold talon
Wait squishy is in bm?
ruby burrow
Hah. I've been enjoying it too honestly. Certain people say my name like I'm a puppy or something.
Is nice.
vocal shard
It is π
cold talon
What's all this bm Im hearing about?
inner cape
cold talon
I'm interested
vocal shard
well.. i cant post pictures here so will do so in worlds so you .. get what i mean
its something i have as a plush on my bed.. and something i will always love.. cuteness off the scale for me lol
cold talon
Ah yes of corse
vocal shard
ruby burrow
@inner cape I talked a bit immediately after joining, but have been either distracted or busy thus far honestly.
lavish sequoia
Hot
inner cape
I've noticed
ruby burrow
Also, I've not found myself a suitable maid dress just yet.
cold talon
π gotta be perfect π
ruby burrow
It's only been a day or two hasn't it? '-'
ruby burrow
Honestly I'm in too many discords by now. ^ ^;
ruby burrow
Nine VR-Chat related ones now. Plus everything from before.
vocal shard
I think im the only person to of done this.. but, apart from map creation.. rides and whatnot.. i also do audio editing and making my own.. and so i kinda.. made a backlog story within the horror place itself.. with my own voice but by using a certain pitch and reverberation to create a character i randomly thought of... why havent i seen anyone else do this yet? just wondering really..
We all use our voices in vrchat mostly so why not use it within a story feature you build on a map?
inner cape
Cause people are shy
cold talon
My voice in a map
inner cape
And don't know by how much you can edit it
vocal shard
Well.. i use Goldwave to edit everything and have been using it since it was alpha like.. when windows 98 was around.. still works great even today.. so as for changing elements.. there is nothing in this world you cannot change
umbral reef
@vocal shard Most users are low effort users
vocal shard
you can make your own voice sound like anything and anyone.
umbral reef
Look at the avatar worlds being denied within #public-world-request
Should make clear the standers vrc users have
near saffron
Seeing that list makes me want to game end
vocal shard
Well.. most of the people i know are way more than low effort but .. what was said about shyness i guess could be a thing.. with me i dont care i take the piss outta myself all the time because it really doesnt matter at all
its just a thing.. to create a story.. do all the jobs at once of a developer and a artist in terms of audio i think is quite an accomplishment so i force myself to do it.
inner cape
Creating a yt series in vrchat and listening to my own voice while editing is 
umbral reef
If people are too shy they legit can drop a msg in most group discords and find someone wanting to help
vocal shard
Ah i got over that thing about old recordings years ago
i used to hate watching myself on old repeats..
but in the end it doesnt really matter.. just think of that old you as someone else.. lol
inner cape
Current me is enough
near saffron
I canβt even take hearing my self through someoneβs echoing headset
inner cape
To make me feel uncomfortable
vocal shard
Well.. there isnt anything im shy with in this world tbh.. i can talk about any subject without giving a shit
i think its just part of aging tbh
vocal shard
Even if people gave you negative reviews and took the piss out of what you said.. its still like/dislike functionality is the way i see it.. and you are still recognised regardless
so you haven't really lost anything lol
Look at all those nasty clickbait reviews on youtube.. they get more hits than anyone..
ruby burrow
The thing I find weird about hearing myself in peoples videos, is that I suddenly notice my accent.
vocal shard
just a nice lil example
inner cape
Oh yeah, can relate squishy
I don't notice my accent much when I talk cause I've gotten too used to it
vocal shard
Hmm.. well its abit hard to not notice my accent as im an Essex guy from england.. so i sound as common as common gets π
ruby burrow
It becomes bizarrely obvious to me, despite hearing it from others from my region all the time.
inner cape
And yesterday the first thing I was asked by a random person was where I'm from cause I sound like english isn't my first language
Aka have a thicc accent
vocal shard
Haven't heard you speak yet squishy.. so i can only imagine
im seeing an image form though of an attractive high pitch voice.. but that could just be my warped imagination.
inner cape
vocal shard
Ah Ghosto- i can sorta relate, i get confused with an australian all the time
astral cliff
Something I always find awkward is when I hear myself in a video talking alongside others and realise how fast I speak
vocal shard
Yes.. speaking fast is apparently a sign of anxiety.. but i do suffer with that.. so i cant really denie it
inner cape
I can speak with a somewhat clear British accent but I can't be bothered, so I just speak in a lazy manner, which is more of the accent I have from my first language
vocal shard
but thing is.. its a trait that is also present within your mind.. you think fast/talk fast so really your one step ahead.
brb
astral cliff
Apparently we naturally talk fast where I'm from but then nerves cause me to speak even faster so quite often people hear me speak and haven't a clue what's being said XD
vocal shard
Yeah nervs set us all off.. depends on your state of mind and mostly who you are.. me i have something quite rare plus anxiety and so i dont do much but the same process each and everyday.. i dont see the world like most do apparently.. so i spend my time everyday.. have for years now.. the same repeating pattern
so creating content is just really something i've grown into over the period of about 20 years give or take.
astral cliff
Think putting things into a way for others has always been awkward for me due to being introverted so I avoided it and kinda resulted in finding it difficult since alot of the time I haven't much of an idea what others are talking about due to being pretty out of the loop
vocal shard
Heh.. yep that sounds like me
I still dont understand meme's or anything else of the like.. i grew up playing on a sega master system for god sake
gimme retro anyday lol
astral cliff
Did some 3D modelling back in college but dropped it after due to not really having any use for anything but then found VRC and been trying to relearn everything I knew 8 years ago cause I was like "Aww yeah now I can make those things actually do something" then realising I haven't a bloody clue how to do any of it again XD
I began on my dads Amega and Commodore and went along from there, pretty weird thinking back to being a kid and somehow knowing how to play X-Com Apocalypse
vocal shard
Mate unity's piss easy.. i started off with no tutorial and no help.. and it took me a year to master it.. and honestly i came from so many other engines in the past.. like quake engine old unreal engine 1.. i've just worked myself up the ladder.. but truly, i find unity to be source engine all over again.. well except the fact that source engine in terms of gmod is much better.. if users could parent in game.. can you imagine how good that would be π
I can give you a UI with the ability to spawn from a menu.. any item you wish any mod you wish.. but i cant give players the ability to weld or parent..
without that it isnt fun
unreal bison
do people unplug their vrheadset when they're done or just leave it?
astral cliff
Been doing "ok" with unity going by the amount of time I've actually managed to spend in it, between work and usual life stuff I don't get much time to mess about with things, manage to get avatars in, been working on some worlds but they usually reach a snag and end up left for awhile and was learning to animate some stuff
I usually only have my Rift plugged in when I plan to use it since my PC keeps opening Oculus anytime it's plugged in at all
unreal bison
oh I see..
vocal shard
I only use my headset for development.. like the DK2.. psvr under trinus.. or the dk1.. so wouldn't know tbh lol
unreal bison
π
vocal shard
Obviously i use a CV1 nowadays but it seriously lacks the power i require
astral cliff
Don't know if the Vive acts differently but I have the CV1 Rift and it tends to open the Oculus software anytime it's plugged in and repeatedly opens it if I close it
safe prism
if the sensor inside the HMD is triggered, the oculus app opens
vocal shard
Yeah your correct it does
safe prism
vive does not act the same, no
vocal shard
Also unity loves to switch over your master to oculus headset and when you switch back to speakers it refuses to channel through speakers unless restarted
astral cliff
Quite possible that cat hairs are causing it to constantly open Oculus then XD
vocal shard
Well.. the lib wrapper is the solver there with old runtimes π it still works today
safe prism
if literally anything substantial to IR light is in front of the little shiny dot, yeah
vocal shard
you dont need oculus home to run an oculus lets not forget
astral cliff
Wait, I don't need Oculus home open to use it on Steam VR?
vocal shard
lol..
Oculus home is just an app.. it launches under the runtime
the runtime is a seperate function so no
unreal bison
I always just start vrchat instead of anything else
astral cliff
Please report me to the nearest commissar
vocal shard
oculus home hooks with runtime.. thats all
hold on.. i actually wrote a guide for people back in the day on my own steam account
i can just link you π
astral cliff
π Sweet
vocal shard
It will also allow you to run every single demo ever made and extract all those assets..
most abandonned projects..
yet still have massive functionality
astral cliff
Though I think I'm probably way behind with VR stuff since not many near me have VR, I only know 1 person and maybe a few others from cons
vocal shard
Mate VR is just .. 2d but 2 monitors that allow your brain to think your part of the action ignore the fact that its even vr to start with π
its all the same on a monitor
thank christ for building on a monitor.. UE4 allows you to use the editor to build in vr.. its buggy as hell
astral cliff
Think 3DS lets you do stuff while using the vr headset aswell now, never tried it yet cause I think it would be awkward as hell
vocal shard
Read my "more info"
Basically.. there were thousands of really good things developed during the first stages in vr and in the DK2 and below we was limited to terrible resolution and dots all over the screens.. nowadays that isnt the case.. and those demo's have hundreds of assets unused in todays world.
and thats why they are fun to extract and use.. because the developers gave up on those projects.. and yet the models are really good.. even some way to good for 1080p to be honest.
Which also brings up another discussion for all of you who do map like myself.. dont even bother upping your texture resolution within unity from 2048 and climbing because in vr you will see 1080p regardless
it only affects monitor output.. so dont waste your precious upload space π
safe prism
supersampling tho ;-;
vocal shard
Ah i dont even need external programs mate i bypassed all that ages ago.. i use Yobi3d for everything nowadays.. their servers can convert any file format mostly..
up to i believe 40mb.. so thing is 40mb say per upload.. most models dont exceed that..
so whats the point in getting 3d studio max or maya or cad.. its literally a waste of time.
https://www.yobi3d.com/3d-file-convert for all those interested.
astral cliff
I use 3DS to make things I can't find around or to edit them
vocal shard
Certain models that are totally unique.. like DAZ are an exception in my opinion.. unless you have a blender plugin that supports it
Well.. with yobi3d there isnt many files you cant convert.. and the file conversion is rocket fast
astral cliff
I've been trying to make things that closely replicate those from X-Com Apocalypse but between the ingame art, cover art and ingame ufopedia art not matching it's kind of a case of try blending those together and winging it XD
vocal shard
and as for animations.. i make all mine in unity alone.. and i hear of people going on about maya this maya that.. i have the largest theme park in vrchat and i did it all with basic unity animation.. so i dont see the point in doing anything else
I can literally turn anything in this world into a ride..
so i have unlimited models as you can imagine.
ruby burrow
Saying that you'll only see 1080p because of the display resolution is only true if you never get closer to the texture than it taking up your exact screen dimensions.
vocal shard
It's not about distance factor over resolution scale.. sure what you say is true.. but i will give you and example..
how do you change your vrchat username
i have a cylinder.. in 2048 its 5.2mb and its of a theme park its great detail.. yet when its in 4096 or above its 30mb.
there is zero compression there.
Funland is massive due to texture resolution.. each animation like the donkey kong coaster as an example is 300mb.. massively crunched to 40mb.
but even still.. if you dont lower your resolution.. you will suffer..
safe prism
please give virtual textures
ruby burrow
I agree that there's normally no need for high res textures. It just comes across strange the way you said that.
vocal shard
Well.. speaking from experience.. i created funland with the user in mind and .. everyone's experience
Can anyone help me in #avatars-2-general
ruby burrow
Like, fill your view with only one quarter of a 1080p texture, and then up it to 2048. There's absolutely a difference.
vocal shard
i thought it was all on animations.. but due to imported vs actual size.. its obvious.. its like .wav and .ogg vorbis.. there's massive compression
median basalt
Doing animation in Maya or Blender is far superior for more complex models, such as humanoid rigs.
And animals etc
I would not recommend animating objects in Blender or Maya though
No point in that
vocal shard
I can do any annimation in this world on unity alone with minimal effort..
i turned an entire video which spanned for 5 mins in HD into sprite sheet animation that i created in unity for a laugh and then synched audio to compensate for offset.
safe prism
you can do anything with minimal effort once you've done it a hundred times :x
vocal shard
That was my first attempt actually.
unity is just source engine
i see absolutely zero difference...
the learning curve is the same.. its why there are so many indie developers now
Cant upload screenshots here.. but i can atleast link a preview of my new park here..
gah... need a better source
umbral reef
Using lightshot 
astral cliff
I can already feel my vertigo kicking in knowing I'll jump on those despite having difficulties at heights XD
vocal shard
there we go
Everything is animated as per usual seeing as i dont have udon.. and this is one "island"
there are multile islands with multiple rides and features..
decided to split it due to congestion of users.
astral cliff
Is that one of those drop towers at the far end?
vocal shard
Yeah lol well.. actually your seeing one..
the other is no grav toggle with a ridigbody that launches you into space..
to another island π
astral cliff
RIP me
vocal shard
No grav is easy on animations due to camera control.. and as ruuubick said IK being the issue not the station..
but the chair Bug has never been fixed
its honestly a kick in the balls to me because i enjoy building theme parks..
astral cliff
That where the avatar sinks into the chair?
astral cliff
Been quite awhile since I got ingame so not sure if I've ever noticed it beyond the jetpack type things
vocal shard
I created a third party camera using standard assets first person camera.. basically what happens is.. you activate the trigger and .. your avatar gets thrown into the background.. while from your perspective even in vrchat you are a 1st person camera.. it worked perfectly but like this no other user of a certain ride will see you..
but it proves that its due to avatars and nothing else
astral cliff
Ah, would that be why there are times on the other funland rides that the camera seems to fall behind outside the avatar?
vocal shard
Also as for VRC_Chairs using "Stand up" as an option is completely broken
as it will allow you to exit station but you will be completely frozen
Yes thats exactly why
and thats also why im extremely frustrated
i even offered to pay tupper.. or someone else over there to fix it
because .. i like creating rides.. even if i dont bennefit financially i like creating content and so.. i need working rides.. its really that simple
astral cliff
Originally I thought it was just my GPU couldn't keep up causing the camera to fall behind
vocal shard
I believe its to do with the collision matrix of an avatar to be honest.. see.. the thing is if you are on a moving platform while standing the same will happen.. and normally within unity.. an avatar or a player will become the child of the parent once they stand on a moving object.. within vrchat that isnt possible due to script functionality disabled.. and so we have users who cant do even the basics like riding an elevator..
For certain rides.. like the Gravitron as an example.. i need people to be standing while i simulate speed over gravity.. and i cant do that if the child aka avatar doesnt become part of that parent
instead it will throw you miles away and bug out your camera.
astral cliff
Hopefully Udon fixes that when it arrives
vocal shard
God man i hope so.. because.. im suffering lol..
astral cliff
Guess that also renders my idea of dropping players into a different part of a world using drop pods awkward since the cameras will be trailing behind
vocal shard
i build what i do for you guys.. and yet.. it gives me satisfaction to see others happy its the only reason i build
and yet its hard to do when things like this are present in the code..
portal pods would require packets being sent from client so.. movement from client manually to take a portal.. i dont think it would work with dropping a player from the sky on a portal.. i mean.... there is a way but it would require movement from third party.. like an animator controller that pushes them in that general direction.
I also have a way.. that will work for portals besides that by using constant force a simple unity design.. and yet would work
astral cliff
My plan was to have them in a space ship then the drop pods with chairs in them and a button and the button sends the pod to the surface section of the world but if the camera trails it would probably be really odd
vocal shard
hell you could even use a spring to do that too
ah well.. you will be good.. trust me i can tell you right now..
its to do with rotation more than position..
most of my rides are position changes over rotation..
rotation is the issue thats what causes the avatar to become unstable.
astral cliff
So just launching them straight downwards might be fine?
vocal shard
yep that will work
trust me.. the proof i have.. someone used a portal on my pirate ship
and it teleported everyone.
lol
astral cliff
Now to wreck myself with vertigo constantly testing them XD
vocal shard
Well.. you will be in a better place than me man.. i have to test all these crazy things before release.. its why i put that sign up in the original funland to begin with
if they want a seizure .. on their own head be it.. lol
astral cliff
Hopefully Udon makes some progress and helps fix the issues the rides are having cause it would help open up to alot more varied worlds and things to do, for now I sleep and then work out finishing a few things before beginning dropping people from space XD
vocal shard
I look forward to it man.. i miss the days of gmod when we used to suck up people's creations and store their creations in data cache while hovering around in spacebuild..
thats possible here too!
lol
umbral reef
Atleast for now we are getting improvements with performance
vocal shard
what with avatars?
umbral reef
Jup
umbral reef
Forced worlds to be optimized-
Proper going to inform users
Not being able to play a world with more then 10 users isnt fun anyway