#vrchat-general-2 | VRChat | Page 605

umbral reef Nov 5, 2018, 2:50 PM

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Being a young age, not understanding how companies provide technical and user support and being selfish/ignorant ... @queen mango Its most often one of these that cause this

twin jacinth Nov 5, 2018, 2:50 PM

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This is a public discord, we're free to voice our opinion as long as it's sensible.

umbral reef Nov 5, 2018, 2:51 PM

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@fleet ice Then go to the email and stop wasting our time also 👏

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If you dont want to use the email- Feel free to block 99% of this chat

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As people will keeping 'helping' you

fleet ice Nov 5, 2018, 2:51 PM

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i makes no sense to feel adressed if you are not able to give an answer.... do you guys need attention or what?

quartz basin Nov 5, 2018, 2:51 PM

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Yes, lots of attention.

twin jacinth Nov 5, 2018, 2:51 PM

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🤦

umbral reef Nov 5, 2018, 2:52 PM

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But we did provide an answer 👏
The exact same one the admins gave a few msgs later even-

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I should quit using the clap emote 🤔

glossy wharf Nov 5, 2018, 2:52 PM

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guy keeps asking the same question over and over after getting an answer
people repeat the answer for him

"do you guys need attention" 4Head

umbral reef Nov 5, 2018, 2:53 PM

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I need attention yea :^)

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Im lonely

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Send food

twin jacinth Nov 5, 2018, 2:53 PM

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People here are actually really helpful and can provide the same answer an admin can in some cases, and in most cases as well the users will answer instead of an admin 🤷
If you can't deal with people helping you in a public discord you should, as mentioned above not post it here and take it via mail

quartz basin Nov 5, 2018, 2:53 PM

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taking a shit in a public place
ask why people look at him in disgust
still doesn't get it why people look at him in disgust

vocal shard Nov 5, 2018, 2:53 PM

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"people are racist ebcause they block me"

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yeah, i'm sure that0s the only reason they block you.

fleet ice Nov 5, 2018, 2:53 PM

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i dont need answers i can get from standard forms, this is not the sense of giving questions on a support email

quartz basin Nov 5, 2018, 2:54 PM

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I don't even know what he means.

umbral reef Nov 5, 2018, 2:54 PM

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If its pure about the support email, then we also gave you the answer
As they do not handle anything that happened within the emails in here

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If you want details about that send a new email

fleet ice Nov 5, 2018, 2:54 PM

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but nvm. end of topic

quartz basin Nov 5, 2018, 2:54 PM

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No! Don't go!

twin jacinth Nov 5, 2018, 2:55 PM

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My PaIn IS FaR gReAtEr ThAN YOuRS

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Insert pain face

queen mango Nov 5, 2018, 2:55 PM

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Either you learn it the easy way or the hard way.
You definitely don't wanna learn the hard way, not in here.

vocal shard Nov 5, 2018, 2:57 PM

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it's too late

twin jacinth Nov 5, 2018, 2:57 PM

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^

vocal shard Nov 5, 2018, 2:57 PM

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you are sure that he won't get any help for a lot of active users around here

fleet ice Nov 5, 2018, 2:57 PM

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@vocal shard ok my friend, did you ever play with a knuckle avatar and were blocked instantly without an obviously reason?? THIS IS FUCKING FRUSTRATING, there are player they life in bad habbits, and this is a serious problem!

quartz basin Nov 5, 2018, 2:58 PM

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What? Using a knuckles avatar is a solid reason to block you.

twin jacinth Nov 5, 2018, 2:58 PM

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There's an obvious reason for getting blocked with knuckles avatars and that is they've been used to harass users and generally annoying 🤷

fleet ice Nov 5, 2018, 2:59 PM

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@quartz basin are you kidding me?

vocal shard Nov 5, 2018, 2:59 PM

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i block knuckles avatars

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don't use a trash avatar that 90% of people hate

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or if you do, don't complain when people block you

quartz basin Nov 5, 2018, 3:00 PM

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You get triggered getting blocked while using the most cancerous avatar out there?

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This is your fucking deal?

twin jacinth Nov 5, 2018, 3:00 PM

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Omega LuL

queen mango Nov 5, 2018, 3:00 PM

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That was 9-10 months ago. Yet it's left a sour taste

fleet ice Nov 5, 2018, 3:00 PM

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this is an mainstream opinion about people they used this avatar in the wrong way.. use your own brain you victim

quartz basin Nov 5, 2018, 3:00 PM

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#metoo

twin jacinth Nov 5, 2018, 3:01 PM

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Still does not change the fact that's it's a dead meme and 90% dislike anyone who uses a knuckles avatar

quartz basin Nov 5, 2018, 3:01 PM

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You are welcome to use another avatar which is more appealing.

dapper stump Nov 5, 2018, 3:01 PM

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People can block you for whichever reason they want to and you cant do anything about it, get over it

fleet ice Nov 5, 2018, 3:01 PM

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useless.. no more time for this racists shit here

queen mango Nov 5, 2018, 3:02 PM

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Plus, it's really generic

quartz basin Nov 5, 2018, 3:02 PM

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Yes, disliking knuckles is now considered being racist.

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Knowing that I can finally sleep again

umbral reef Nov 5, 2018, 3:03 PM

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Pretty sure being a knuckle isnt a race GWcfcThonk

vocal shard Nov 5, 2018, 3:03 PM

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everything needs to be a race thing apparently

dapper stump Nov 5, 2018, 3:04 PM

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Love waking up early in the morning and start reading this chat, its such a great way to start of the day tbh. Very entertaining

vocal shard Nov 5, 2018, 3:04 PM

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hating a dead meme is being racist now people

umbral reef Nov 5, 2018, 3:04 PM

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Is sex a race? :^)

vocal shard Nov 5, 2018, 3:04 PM

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imma report you to the meme police if you hate on dead memes

umbral reef Nov 5, 2018, 3:04 PM

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Like is sexist racist? :^)

quartz basin Nov 5, 2018, 3:04 PM

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I'm just gonna clap twice and that shit is dead.

umbral reef Nov 5, 2018, 3:04 PM

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Ima drop this fast before i get clapped and #general-media 'd

vocal shard Nov 5, 2018, 3:05 PM

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oh yeah of course.

queen mango Nov 5, 2018, 3:05 PM

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Alright, move it to random chat, people

modern sand Nov 5, 2018, 3:05 PM

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Can y'all move on ?

vocal shard Nov 5, 2018, 3:05 PM

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let the community deal with a angry kid but then yeet them out of a channel when the shit storm stopped

queen mango Nov 5, 2018, 3:05 PM

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Oh dear

undone perch Nov 5, 2018, 3:47 PM

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Someone get on the Voxel Tower world I wanna play Hide and Go Seek

vocal shard Nov 5, 2018, 3:47 PM

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Hoi

undone perch Nov 5, 2018, 3:47 PM

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hi

vocal shard Nov 5, 2018, 3:49 PM

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Love scrolling up to drama

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Nom nom nom

lethal cedar Nov 5, 2018, 4:23 PM

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Is there discount on amazon on black friday?

rigid crescent Nov 5, 2018, 4:24 PM

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Yes

sterile drift Nov 5, 2018, 4:27 PM

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I always miss the fun ones. That Suiheisen guy LOL

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He's still in here so I still have a chance

rigid crescent Nov 5, 2018, 4:32 PM

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Yeah, I like to imagine how they can even function irl, assuming they do. Being dumb on the internet is one thing, but imagine saying shit like that to an actual human face to face.

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In real life. How can you even live after saying something like that unironically to another human being lol

vocal shard Nov 5, 2018, 4:34 PM

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they don't talk to "normal" people IRL i guess

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normal people would just laugh at his face

sterile drift Nov 5, 2018, 4:36 PM

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Lol

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I mean I would laugh too, and I'm not normal

vocal shard Nov 5, 2018, 4:37 PM

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a Knuckle getting angry because people are blocking him OMEGALUL

tacit plank Nov 5, 2018, 4:41 PM

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"Block avatar" would be better, unless he's also doing the knuckles voice and you don't wanna listen to it

vocal shard Nov 5, 2018, 4:41 PM

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i only block knuckle if they do the old routine

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"do you know de wey" and what not

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otherwise i can just ignore them

tacit plank Nov 5, 2018, 4:41 PM

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I don't think blocking just the avatar gives a penalty... At least it shouldn't. It's used a lot in the murder game map to make avatars show as they turn invisible randomly

rigid crescent Nov 5, 2018, 4:42 PM

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Blocking most likely doesn't either.

lethal cedar Nov 5, 2018, 4:42 PM

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discount on everything?=

rigid crescent Nov 5, 2018, 4:42 PM

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Blocking likely has next to no impact, if any.

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No.

lethal cedar Nov 5, 2018, 4:42 PM

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i hope they will make the 1070 cheaper

gleaming patio Nov 5, 2018, 4:42 PM

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would be fun if maps were allowed to force avatars but it'd require a lot of thought

rigid crescent Nov 5, 2018, 4:43 PM

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Not really, just a script

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or whatever an udon thing would be.

tacit plank Nov 5, 2018, 4:44 PM

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I think blocking has an inpact

rigid crescent Nov 5, 2018, 4:44 PM

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a noodle

tacit plank Nov 5, 2018, 4:44 PM

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Otherwise, how is the troll rank achieved?

vocal shard Nov 5, 2018, 4:44 PM

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blocking an avatar shouldnt do anything

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since alot of people are blocking them for getting more FPS

rigid crescent Nov 5, 2018, 4:45 PM

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Well, you msut need to be blocked by more than 250 people for it ot have any impact

gleaming patio Nov 5, 2018, 4:45 PM

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what i mean is, about people who like to be at a certain height or have full body @rigid crescent

tacit plank Nov 5, 2018, 4:45 PM

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That's also a bad system though, because you will get that sooner or later if you play long enough

rigid crescent Nov 5, 2018, 4:45 PM

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Oh, they just won't have a choice while in those worlds

gleaming patio Nov 5, 2018, 4:45 PM

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forced avatars should be full body compatible just in case

tacit plank Nov 5, 2018, 4:45 PM

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Say, 2000 hours, slowly getting more blocks

umbral reef Nov 5, 2018, 4:45 PM

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Caff- You ok?

rigid crescent Nov 5, 2018, 4:45 PM

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Could be x blocks in X time

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there's definitely more than one way to make sure that doesn't happen

umbral reef Nov 5, 2018, 4:46 PM

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You honest to god think all blocks just add up and even if you are the highest rnak BOOM ezpz untrusted?

gleaming patio Nov 5, 2018, 4:46 PM

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how long do you have to even play to get the gold rank, i havent played for months until like 2 weeks ago

rigid crescent Nov 5, 2018, 4:46 PM

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you can't , there isn't one

umbral reef Nov 5, 2018, 4:46 PM

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@gleaming patio No set ammount-

vocal shard Nov 5, 2018, 4:46 PM

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1500 hours

tacit plank Nov 5, 2018, 4:46 PM

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I don't think so, but it's a possibility

vocal shard Nov 5, 2018, 4:46 PM

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2500 for platinum rank

umbral reef Nov 5, 2018, 4:46 PM

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Tl;dr No one knows shit about this system beside rumors and guesses

vocal shard Nov 5, 2018, 4:46 PM

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4000 for diamond

gleaming patio Nov 5, 2018, 4:46 PM

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i think as an introvert i might be disadvantaged 😛

rigid crescent Nov 5, 2018, 4:46 PM

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also I'm 2k hours and only have about 20 or so people blocked, and about 5 or 6 are old room-crashes where they'd blcok the whole room to make sure they onyl crash one person

gleaming patio Nov 5, 2018, 4:46 PM

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thought its also based on friends etc

twin jacinth Nov 5, 2018, 4:47 PM

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the rank beneath purple?

rigid crescent Nov 5, 2018, 4:47 PM

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"it's a possibility" so is everything

umbral reef Nov 5, 2018, 4:47 PM

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It cna also be its just pure RNG

gleaming patio Nov 5, 2018, 4:47 PM

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i am currently, uh, "user"

vocal shard Nov 5, 2018, 4:47 PM

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MaidNoThanks

twin jacinth Nov 5, 2018, 4:47 PM

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i have 300 hours and i'm known

gleaming patio Nov 5, 2018, 4:47 PM

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i kinda just want my custom shaders to take effect

vocal shard Nov 5, 2018, 4:47 PM

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maidThatsMoreLikeIt

tacit plank Nov 5, 2018, 4:47 PM

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I just wanted to mentioned it in case they had designed it like that

gleaming patio Nov 5, 2018, 4:47 PM

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i mean i set up my avatar to work without them just fine so

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i dont look freakish apparently

rigid crescent Nov 5, 2018, 4:47 PM

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Well, I know a user with 2k hours and about 200-ish blocks, so i doubt it lol

tacit plank Nov 5, 2018, 4:47 PM

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Because knowing VRChat, some things are just poorly designed

umbral reef Nov 5, 2018, 4:48 PM

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Then you play a diffrent VRC then i do

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As they do dumb shit

rigid crescent Nov 5, 2018, 4:48 PM

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and as far as I've heard peopel talking here, everyone with the nuisance deserved it and it was immediately apparent why they had it once they unmuted them

umbral reef Nov 5, 2018, 4:48 PM

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But not retarded things

rigid crescent Nov 5, 2018, 4:48 PM

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but that's obviously only counting the "WHOA I SAW A NUISANCE!" posts I've seen here

gleaming patio Nov 5, 2018, 4:49 PM

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i wonder really if things like getting friend requests from trusted users could also have an effect, like the more seasoned user friends you, the more you ascend or something

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that it basically acts like a magnet

rigid crescent Nov 5, 2018, 4:49 PM

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Friends have too much weight on the system to be honest.

umbral reef Nov 5, 2018, 4:49 PM

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Again- No one knows
All we can do is guess and theory craft

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So its imo pointless to do

tacit plank Nov 5, 2018, 4:49 PM

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If your arms are too short, it's difficult to hear other people

vocal shard Nov 5, 2018, 4:49 PM

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I think it's a bit of a combined of the initial request... And how long you spend with those people. Regarding friends

gleaming patio Nov 5, 2018, 4:49 PM

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we all know as soon as it owuld be known people would be aiming for that

rigid crescent Nov 5, 2018, 4:49 PM

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Friends are one of the things you can absolutely tell has a lot of weight.

tacit plank Nov 5, 2018, 4:50 PM

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That's how VRChat works. So at times I go "you didn't design it in this way, right?" to remind the staff in case they actually did

rigid crescent Nov 5, 2018, 4:50 PM

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How do you know that's ever worked

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or mattered

gleaming patio Nov 5, 2018, 4:50 PM

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i hope the system ascends me soon enough

tacit plank Nov 5, 2018, 4:51 PM

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Friends isn't everything though, iris doesn't have the last API rank and she got enough friends to break the menu iris

rigid crescent Nov 5, 2018, 4:51 PM

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It's enough that people purging have immediately lost rank

gleaming patio Nov 5, 2018, 4:52 PM

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wait, so deleting friends descends?

rigid crescent Nov 5, 2018, 4:52 PM

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Multiple people have said they've lost rank while doing it, or while deleting avatars.

vocal shard Nov 5, 2018, 4:52 PM

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again

gleaming patio Nov 5, 2018, 4:52 PM

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:Kappa:

vocal shard Nov 5, 2018, 4:52 PM

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we dont know

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anything

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it's just speculation

rigid crescent Nov 5, 2018, 4:52 PM

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I mean it's not really speculation when it's happened...

gleaming patio Nov 5, 2018, 4:52 PM

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well this seems to be proof that it affects it somehow

umbral reef Nov 5, 2018, 4:53 PM

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Because we totally know if nothnig else they did effected anything at all

tacit plank Nov 5, 2018, 4:53 PM

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It is, but if you delete friends and lose a rank, that's a pretty good indicator that it's a factor

gleaming patio Nov 5, 2018, 4:53 PM

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i think they should have done it that if you unfriend and refriend someone, it doesn't do anything at all

vocal shard Nov 5, 2018, 4:53 PM

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yeah and i heard some people gaining rank by removing friends so 🤷

umbral reef Nov 5, 2018, 4:53 PM

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This system totally has one varuable that can effect anything at all 👌

rigid crescent Nov 5, 2018, 4:53 PM

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Oclac, if they're losing it immediately as they're doing it, it's probably it

gleaming patio Nov 5, 2018, 4:53 PM

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removing toxic friends maybe?

tacit plank Nov 5, 2018, 4:53 PM

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Interesting, did they delete low ranked ones?

umbral reef Nov 5, 2018, 4:53 PM

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So when that one thing changes for some users it and a result happens its 105% because of that and not other things

gleaming patio Nov 5, 2018, 4:53 PM

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oh it's all social credit haha

vocal shard Nov 5, 2018, 4:53 PM

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no

rigid crescent Nov 5, 2018, 4:53 PM

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Two people have come in wondering why they lost rank while purging their friends list or avatar list.

vocal shard Nov 5, 2018, 4:53 PM

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other known or trusted

tacit plank Nov 5, 2018, 4:53 PM

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Also they redid the system a few times

rigid crescent Nov 5, 2018, 4:53 PM

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Immediately after doing so.

vocal shard Nov 5, 2018, 4:53 PM

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some users too

rigid crescent Nov 5, 2018, 4:54 PM

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Not a few hours later, not a few days later, immediately.

tacit plank Nov 5, 2018, 4:54 PM

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User is low rank though

umbral reef Nov 5, 2018, 4:54 PM

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And plenty have done it without any results 👏

vocal shard Nov 5, 2018, 4:54 PM

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user is average

umbral reef Nov 5, 2018, 4:54 PM

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I know dudes who removed everyone for the shits and giggles to see if its true

vocal shard Nov 5, 2018, 4:54 PM

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the fuck you talking about

umbral reef Nov 5, 2018, 4:54 PM

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But lmao nah

gleaming patio Nov 5, 2018, 4:54 PM

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i guess it's black magic and it was not enough to break the rank even then

tacit plank Nov 5, 2018, 4:54 PM

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Most of my friends are known or trusted, I ahve very few who're below

rigid crescent Nov 5, 2018, 4:54 PM

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same

tacit plank Nov 5, 2018, 4:54 PM

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I've played with them for a while though

vocal shard Nov 5, 2018, 4:55 PM

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i only have known and trusted friends i believe

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i'm known user 🤷

rigid crescent Nov 5, 2018, 4:55 PM

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It's just 'natural' that trusted users gravitate towards one another. Even in public worlds I've kinda found myself mainly socializing with known/trusted even while their ranks are off.

vocal shard Nov 5, 2018, 4:55 PM

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got demoted in the middle of the week when i wasnt even playing like 1-2 months ago

rigid crescent Nov 5, 2018, 4:55 PM

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It sound silly but you can almost tell just by talking to certain people.

umbral reef Nov 5, 2018, 4:56 PM

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@vocal shard Nah you got me

rigid crescent Nov 5, 2018, 4:56 PM

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Like even joining a friends of guest, it'll be full of people with rank off that you definitely know are trusted and will even turn rank on if you ask

gleaming patio Nov 5, 2018, 4:56 PM

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yeah i think the system is aimed at gravitating people into social caste

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of some sort

rigid crescent Nov 5, 2018, 4:56 PM

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It's definitely not

vocal shard Nov 5, 2018, 4:56 PM

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what rank are you oclac?

twin jacinth Nov 5, 2018, 4:56 PM

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When you mentioned it Svel i mostly only have friends that's users and up

rigid crescent Nov 5, 2018, 4:56 PM

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It naturally happened before we even knew what ranks were.

gleaming patio Nov 5, 2018, 4:57 PM

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right but what if it still is

rigid crescent Nov 5, 2018, 4:57 PM

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It's not.

gleaming patio Nov 5, 2018, 4:57 PM

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i cant know of course

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maybe there's some way of recommending rooms to you with people of similar participation score

umbral reef Nov 5, 2018, 4:57 PM

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Pretty sure im the basic user rank unity_chan_dab

rigid crescent Nov 5, 2018, 4:57 PM

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There's not

umbral reef Nov 5, 2018, 4:57 PM

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Or well the rank you need to upload shit

vocal shard Nov 5, 2018, 4:57 PM

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NotLikeThis

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new user

twin jacinth Nov 5, 2018, 4:58 PM

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That's blue

rigid crescent Nov 5, 2018, 4:58 PM

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blue is cute

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i like it almost as much as purple

vocal shard Nov 5, 2018, 4:58 PM

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blue is best color tbh

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probably half my friends are blue..
O.o

gleaming patio Nov 5, 2018, 4:58 PM

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youll stay blue

twin jacinth Nov 5, 2018, 4:58 PM

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i don't like the known user color lul
I'd prefer red but that's reserved for admins :(((

vocal shard Nov 5, 2018, 4:58 PM

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jamie hanging out with the trash lul

gleaming patio Nov 5, 2018, 4:58 PM

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not serious

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i guess i am leaning out the window too much anyway

rigid crescent Nov 5, 2018, 4:59 PM

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Basically, a lot of the more established (as far as time played together) groups of friends found they were mostly all veteran/trusted when the beta hit

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It had nothing to do with the system moving people around or this or that

gleaming patio Nov 5, 2018, 5:00 PM

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i guess people on the same level just flock together as always

rigid crescent Nov 5, 2018, 5:00 PM

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Almost all my friends list was trusted/veteran along with a lot of other friend's lists, it's just how they set the weighting at the time

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and my list is basically still all trusted save for a few here and there that don't play as often

gleaming patio Nov 5, 2018, 5:01 PM

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most of my friends who i like talking with are trusted heh

umbral reef Nov 5, 2018, 5:01 PM

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Might explain why i gravitate to playing with trash :^)

gleaming patio Nov 5, 2018, 5:01 PM

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yet i am green

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reg user

vocal shard Nov 5, 2018, 5:01 PM

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Is messed up tho... Like I have 300 hours, and am trusted, while my friend who started the same time, (Oct 2017) with close to 1000k hours and tonnes of avatars is known...

gleaming patio Nov 5, 2018, 5:02 PM

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which points towards there being a weighing mechanic

twin jacinth Nov 5, 2018, 5:02 PM

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It's just a rank does not really matter if you're grey, purple or green tbh

meager solstice Nov 5, 2018, 5:02 PM

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^ true

gleaming patio Nov 5, 2018, 5:02 PM

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i just want enough rank to be able to show my creation

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tbh

vocal shard Nov 5, 2018, 5:02 PM

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nobody should care about ranks, this is true

gleaming patio Nov 5, 2018, 5:02 PM

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dont want to annoy anyone

twin jacinth Nov 5, 2018, 5:03 PM

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You should be able to rank up to blue pretty quickly which is the rank required to upload stuff and make it public

rigid crescent Nov 5, 2018, 5:03 PM

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Yeah it doesn't matter, just an observation

fleet ice Nov 5, 2018, 5:03 PM

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@sterile drift do you wanna more stuff to laugh about?

umbral reef Nov 5, 2018, 5:03 PM

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No one should care about ranks GWcfcThonk

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Then why the fuck are they a thing

vocal shard Nov 5, 2018, 5:03 PM

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^

gleaming patio Nov 5, 2018, 5:03 PM

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i am "user" rank and i can upload stuff, uhh

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what color was that

sleek bone Nov 5, 2018, 5:03 PM

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Russians and Public Instances

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ugh

rigid crescent Nov 5, 2018, 5:03 PM

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No one should care about them as a social standing

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Obviously they mean something.

gleaming patio Nov 5, 2018, 5:04 PM

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i think they're to ward off people who create accounts to be toxic

rigid crescent Nov 5, 2018, 5:04 PM

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they already can't upload

gleaming patio Nov 5, 2018, 5:04 PM

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and nothing else

twin jacinth Nov 5, 2018, 5:04 PM

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But in the end a lot of people do because it's a way to show off that you've invested time in the game

Visitor=Grey
New User=Blue
User=Green
Known User = Ugly af color
Trusted User = Purple

gleaming patio Nov 5, 2018, 5:04 PM

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right, but they could before

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a while ago

rigid crescent Nov 5, 2018, 5:04 PM

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a long time ago at this point yeah, before ranks were a thing

gleaming patio Nov 5, 2018, 5:04 PM

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i dont know how "being able to upload" and the rank system are related tbh

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if there was a lock before the rank system

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now people have to gain the trust of the system and of people before they can upload, and then before they can use more potentially annoying features

twin jacinth Nov 5, 2018, 5:05 PM

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The system has always been here just not visible to us in ranks
you've had the trust system since 2017 i think? not sure when they implemented it

gleaming patio Nov 5, 2018, 5:05 PM

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i dont know either

rigid crescent Nov 5, 2018, 5:05 PM

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THey already had to do that Sin

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months ago

umbral reef Nov 5, 2018, 5:05 PM

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nah not 2017

vocal shard Nov 5, 2018, 5:05 PM

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The ranking system has been in place for a long time. It was just hidden in the API. They just made it public knowledge in this update

umbral reef Nov 5, 2018, 5:05 PM

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far from

rigid crescent Nov 5, 2018, 5:05 PM

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the trust system was from like may-ish?

umbral reef Nov 5, 2018, 5:05 PM

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But it was a few months before here- just hiden and shit

gleaming patio Nov 5, 2018, 5:05 PM

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well i had like a 4 month hiatus a few weeks ago

vocal shard Nov 5, 2018, 5:05 PM

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Not 2017.. yeah

gleaming patio Nov 5, 2018, 5:06 PM

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or more

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it was def more

umbral reef Nov 5, 2018, 5:06 PM

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Only new shit from the update is being able to block shaders and animations from peeps

gleaming patio Nov 5, 2018, 5:06 PM

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i'm just not up to speed when it exactly appeared

umbral reef Nov 5, 2018, 5:06 PM

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As the rest of the settings dont matter

gleaming patio Nov 5, 2018, 5:06 PM

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for me it's still new

rigid crescent Nov 5, 2018, 5:06 PM

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It was May or June when they implemented it I think, just not visible.

vocal shard Nov 5, 2018, 5:07 PM

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may i believe

rigid crescent Nov 5, 2018, 5:07 PM

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Blocking shaders, animations, blocking single avatars, particles, sound...

vocal shard Nov 5, 2018, 5:07 PM

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still think it's funny how the in game ranks are named one rank lower than the actual API rank that shows in the system

umbral reef Nov 5, 2018, 5:07 PM

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I have still to find someone use shit sound or particles when they dont have a toxic material/shader

rigid crescent Nov 5, 2018, 5:07 PM

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I block all avatar sounds except friends

umbral reef Nov 5, 2018, 5:07 PM

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And if i want to no crash just disable all animations 👏

rigid crescent Nov 5, 2018, 5:07 PM

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until you get hit with that shoulder mesh

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lul

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toxic shader/material ecks dee

gleaming patio Nov 5, 2018, 5:08 PM

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i like that you can at least block certain things an avatar can include

umbral reef Nov 5, 2018, 5:08 PM

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Yea because everyone runs around with that shit GWoooKarenSugoi

vocal shard Nov 5, 2018, 5:08 PM

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shoulder mesh?

umbral reef Nov 5, 2018, 5:08 PM

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Totally a realistic thing

rigid crescent Nov 5, 2018, 5:08 PM

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I just don't want to hear their music or gun or avatar audio at all

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it's less to do with cancerous sounds for me

gleaming patio Nov 5, 2018, 5:08 PM

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i dont even have audio on my avatar

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never really went into it, people suggested me to add something for some override i have but i didnt do it

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i'm really afraid of annoying peolpe tbh

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being a nuisance is really the opposite of what i want to do

rigid crescent Nov 5, 2018, 5:09 PM

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it can be an interesting gimmick for a time

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"hey i can make this little version of my avatar dance on my hand while this song plays" but that's really the extent most of the time

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there's the purring and other various animal sounds, but most of the time it's just gimmicks, interesting ones sometimes, but usually nothing I feel left out by not hearing

gleaming patio Nov 5, 2018, 5:10 PM

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since i am a full body dumbass i tend to try to dance along if someone starts a song that has a beat to it lol

vocal shard Nov 5, 2018, 5:10 PM

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i have some animations that relies on sound to "feel" better

rigid crescent Nov 5, 2018, 5:11 PM

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if people are clamoring around something that could be interesting I'll turn them on, usually not though. I don't think most people are like me in that regard though, more people probably have them on.

vocal shard Nov 5, 2018, 5:16 PM

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Basically, I got user from my like 30 ish hours in the game (I got it before I hit 30, a little before that) and my time and my friends I've made

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I also spend little to no time idling, try to be not annoying

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Basically, just being normal

rigid crescent Nov 5, 2018, 5:18 PM

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I got New User on an alt after a few hours and just stopped using, it's so weird how people spend 40+hours not getting upload priveleges

sterile drift Nov 5, 2018, 5:21 PM

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Wait I got a ping from the fool LOL

inner cape Nov 5, 2018, 5:21 PM

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@sterile drift (1)

sterile drift Nov 5, 2018, 5:21 PM

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OOF

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Ya got me

inner cape Nov 5, 2018, 5:22 PM

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vrcthink

median basalt Nov 5, 2018, 5:25 PM

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@rigid crescent I played for roughly 5 days straight on an alt account before getting upload privileges

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This was before the trust system though

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I also friended like 20 people in that time

vocal shard Nov 5, 2018, 5:26 PM

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I just friend people I find cool

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My alt got new user in 4 hours

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ANd i find a lot of peeps cool

sterile drift Nov 5, 2018, 5:26 PM

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But yea @fleet ice you pinged me an hour later about something I said, which proves you're trying to find people who are talking about you to provoke an argument. Sorry, not having it. unity_chan_dab

median basalt Nov 5, 2018, 5:26 PM

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To me, it seemed like there was a minimum account age. I got nothing after 5 days. Logged in on that account a week later, had a message with upload privileges

sterile drift Nov 5, 2018, 5:26 PM

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The man had to like

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Scroll up

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And sift through

rigid crescent Nov 5, 2018, 5:26 PM

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I've mentioned it before, but I've got 5 hours tops on the alt, 1 friend (my main), and never spoke

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i got it on the 2nd or 3rd day.

sterile drift Nov 5, 2018, 5:27 PM

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To find a message of someone who didn't even participate in the initial conversation

median basalt Nov 5, 2018, 5:27 PM

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Some people use selfbots to alert when their name is being said

sterile drift Nov 5, 2018, 5:27 PM

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Eh probably but

median basalt Nov 5, 2018, 5:27 PM

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And some people just scroll up for something to argue about lmao

vocal shard Nov 5, 2018, 5:27 PM

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Yeah...

sterile drift Nov 5, 2018, 5:27 PM

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Yea but again he like

umbral reef Nov 5, 2018, 5:27 PM

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Gotta waste ya time on something

sterile drift Nov 5, 2018, 5:27 PM

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Had to sift through to find me anyway

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I doubt he had a selfbot

vocal shard Nov 5, 2018, 5:28 PM

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I just scrolled up to add something about the new system

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The rank system

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...

fleet ice Nov 5, 2018, 5:43 PM

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@sterile drift that's an interesting analysis, i did other stuff and didnt feel to take a look on this chat the whole time and now u give up

vocal shard Nov 5, 2018, 5:45 PM

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stop trying to start drama again for no reason
ruuubick said to move on from this

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yikes

subtle prawn Nov 5, 2018, 5:46 PM

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vrpill

fleet ice Nov 5, 2018, 5:47 PM

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until one of your favorite avatars will be abused by idiots and everyone starts to block everyone with this avatar, i'm pretty sure then the time of your crying will come

vocal shard Nov 5, 2018, 5:52 PM

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if your favorite avatars is a knuckle, you should really start to have better priorities in life

fleet ice Nov 5, 2018, 5:53 PM

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instead of hating knuckles, give me arguments against it

round bluff Nov 5, 2018, 5:54 PM

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ThinkingWae

rigid crescent Nov 5, 2018, 5:58 PM

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"one of your favorite avatars" huh? You mean the ones I make

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typically no one is using those lol

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I'll bite though, i love the bait.

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Most all of the people I see using it are annoying people who are trying to do the old Knuckles bit. It's annoying, so I block. E Z

fleet ice Nov 5, 2018, 6:00 PM

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but that is not my fail, so where is the reason to block me?

rigid crescent Nov 5, 2018, 6:00 PM

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Because most people using it are doing the bit.

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Saves me the trouble of having to hear it.

fleet ice Nov 5, 2018, 6:01 PM

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i dont care what most user do, you have to differentiate

median basalt Nov 5, 2018, 6:01 PM

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I don't block knuckles on sight, but I do block them if they start doing the same routine

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Knuckles are a very mixed bag. I've seen some really bad ones, and some really good ones. There's rarely an in-between.

umbral reef Nov 5, 2018, 6:02 PM

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If you hate being blocked why not just be something else?

fleet ice Nov 5, 2018, 6:02 PM

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your only arguments are the bad behaviors months ago.. thats everything....

rigid crescent Nov 5, 2018, 6:02 PM

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"months ago"

vocal shard Nov 5, 2018, 6:03 PM

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so we can't hate any nazi anymore since it was years ago i guess 🤷

rigid crescent Nov 5, 2018, 6:03 PM

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they're still around. I blocked two yesterday doing the bit and couldn't block 2 others i saw later because i was testing something involving my headset while my headset was off

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i block if i see them trying the routine, it's old

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possible before they even talk to me if i heard them do it across the room

fleet ice Nov 5, 2018, 6:03 PM

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if i ask you again, what is the reason to block me... your answer is the bad behavior of other ones.. but this has nothing to do with me

vocal shard Nov 5, 2018, 6:03 PM

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i'll block you if you do the knuckle routine

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otherwise i will just ignore you

rigid crescent Nov 5, 2018, 6:04 PM

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it's not even bad behavior to be honest, just annoying

umbral reef Nov 5, 2018, 6:04 PM

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Suik- If i dress like an spefic group that is known for doing X or Y
Im dumb for thinking the average user wont put me under the same group and expect me to do X or Y

ruby needle Nov 5, 2018, 6:04 PM

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People do that because they personally decided they dont want it, just like you decide that you do want to use a Ugandan Knuckles avatar.

Knuckles have a generally negative reputation due to how they where used and how spread it was. And that is how it is and i belive wont change.

fleet ice Nov 5, 2018, 6:05 PM

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again, it is not my fault if some russian kiddys abues this still with do you know the way shit.. be smart and differentiate

umbral reef Nov 5, 2018, 6:05 PM

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Its how all humans work 👏
You asumed we knew jack shit about moderation just because we dont have a fancy color
You are prejudge people so...

rigid crescent Nov 5, 2018, 6:05 PM

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Man way to generalize, russians aren't the only ones doing it.

umbral reef Nov 5, 2018, 6:05 PM

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And again- If you hate it this much, why not swap avatars...

rigid crescent Nov 5, 2018, 6:05 PM

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you're using it knowing the consequences, and continue to do so despite people here voicing their opinions oni t.

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Why do you care if people block you?

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They're strangers.

fleet ice Nov 5, 2018, 6:06 PM

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i dont care, you guys generalize the whole time

vocal shard Nov 5, 2018, 6:06 PM

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if you don't want to get blocked that much, don't use that avatar

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it's pretty simple.

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with how you act here, i'm fairly certain that people would have other reasons to block you

fleet ice Nov 5, 2018, 6:07 PM

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best answer.. feeling forces to dont use an avatar because of mistakes i never made... you are soooooo damn smart...

rigid crescent Nov 5, 2018, 6:07 PM

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OK so, why do you care if you get blocked

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why have this argument

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No one is forcing you to do anything.

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use whatever avatar you like as long as it's within the TOS, which Knuckles is.

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Why are you even upset if you don't care? why talk about it? what does the conversation solve if you don't care to begin with?

umbral reef Nov 5, 2018, 6:08 PM

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So you want to prove a point by using the avatar?

fleet ice Nov 5, 2018, 6:08 PM

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the fact is, besides bad behaviors of some random player, you dont have any good argument against knuckles... the player behind a knuckle could be your best friend but because of an habbit you just block him

subtle prawn Nov 5, 2018, 6:09 PM

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vrpill

umbral reef Nov 5, 2018, 6:09 PM

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Well, knuckles are a forced meme that resulted in plenty of bad light for the game and the community
The original creator of the avatar even wanted it to die down at its peek because of that

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Its just prejudge- Its the same what you have against us or the russians GWnanamiLaceShrug

fleet ice Nov 5, 2018, 6:10 PM

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but i dont block russians instantly, that is a difference

bold parcel Nov 5, 2018, 6:11 PM

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wait so let me get this strait. Suiheisen was blocked by mic for useing a knuckles avatar and did not have any bad behavior pertaining to it. he then later complained on here about being blocked on VR chat by a random stranger?
I mean I have my clay potato looking knuckle abomination and get blocked by random shubs all the time but I dont really kick up a fuss about it. I just shrug and move on

rough pulsar Nov 5, 2018, 6:11 PM

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Consider what the overabundance of knuckles felt like to the existing VRChat community at the time.
From my personal experience, it felt like a hostile invasion.
From that you can further understand why people react to it the way they do.

rigid crescent Nov 5, 2018, 6:11 PM

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". the player behind a knuckle could be your best friend but because of an habbit you just block him" that would literally never happen

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ever

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So, one more time for you Suiheisen. Why do you care?

fleet ice Nov 5, 2018, 6:12 PM

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yes, because of your prejudices

rigid crescent Nov 5, 2018, 6:12 PM

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why would I block my friend? I know their voice and username

ruby needle Nov 5, 2018, 6:12 PM

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thats how a reputation works @fleet ice

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This model has build up a negative reputation with a lot of players and currently still is often abused for meming and the like.

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And thats just how it works.

umbral reef Nov 5, 2018, 6:13 PM

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Also- I love how you blame us for doing the actions

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Meanwhile everyone here said they dont insta blcok anyone for just using an avatar

bold parcel Nov 5, 2018, 6:13 PM

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if someone is so repuled by a dumb jeelybean looking knuckle avatar that they will block there friend over even clicking on a knuckle, then theres an even bigger issue at hand

vocal shard Nov 5, 2018, 6:13 PM

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@bold parcel nah

rough pulsar Nov 5, 2018, 6:13 PM

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@fleet ice In your own words, what do you think of knuckles avatars, and the meme?

vocal shard Nov 5, 2018, 6:13 PM

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random people blocked him

fleet ice Nov 5, 2018, 6:14 PM

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i didnt say you block your friend, i said you would never make a person that is using a knuckle to your friend, because prejudices

vocal shard Nov 5, 2018, 6:14 PM

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cuz he was using a knuckle avatar

umbral reef Nov 5, 2018, 6:14 PM

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@bold parcel I guess you never played before the knuckle or even during the boom?

vocal shard Nov 5, 2018, 6:14 PM

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and he is not happy that people do whatever they want

bold parcel Nov 5, 2018, 6:14 PM

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Oh I did, but I didnt think much of it honestly

rigid crescent Nov 5, 2018, 6:14 PM

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Before I started blocking them and even had a "prejudice", I did not befriend a single Knuckles user whatsoever.

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I found them annoying for the msot part, but didn't like blocking people back just just because, now I genuinely don't care.

bold parcel Nov 5, 2018, 6:15 PM

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it was the driveing reason for me to make my own. mostly to look like a nightmarish imitation of them and then mock them to there faces with a monument to there "dead memeness"

umbral reef Nov 5, 2018, 6:15 PM

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Then you got lucky or are fairly denying of other users...
Because being unable to talk for a few minutes every hour you play in public rooms because a raid of knuckle happens is boring AF and gets hate made quickly

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And then being spit on GWoooKarenSugoi fun times fun times

bold parcel Nov 5, 2018, 6:15 PM

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instead the squeeker knuckles hated me and the older ones loved it

rigid crescent Nov 5, 2018, 6:15 PM

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also the only people dumber than knuckle users are the "DEAD MEME DEAD MEME DEAD MEME HAHAHAHA" people too.

bold parcel Nov 5, 2018, 6:15 PM

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^

umbral reef Nov 5, 2018, 6:16 PM

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So you bullied the knuckles Well- blocking them is just as bad then...

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Or atleast tauned them 🤷 How ya wanna call it

fleet ice Nov 5, 2018, 6:16 PM

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@rough pulsar my opinion about knuckles is the same like in my world i created "fluffles paradise" it is still an avatar you can be very creative with, and the most of our knuckle community dont care it is a dead meme or not, and we are not a part of annoying assholes

rigid crescent Nov 5, 2018, 6:16 PM

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So you all just happen to use the knuckles avatar and don't do the routine whatosver

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why is that so hard to believe 🤔

compact river Nov 5, 2018, 6:17 PM

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I have not seen a raid of any sort in a long time oddly

fleet ice Nov 5, 2018, 6:17 PM

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@rigid crescent prejudices

compact river Nov 5, 2018, 6:17 PM

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And i dont mind people using the avatar for knuckles

rigid crescent Nov 5, 2018, 6:18 PM

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Prejudice? quite literally all but two knuckles I've ever met have done the routine

umbral reef Nov 5, 2018, 6:18 PM

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@compact river Because the users often get hate for doing raids like that GWnanamiLaceShrug

rigid crescent Nov 5, 2018, 6:18 PM

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Call it what you'd like, but if 100 people with a Red and Green Striped Had spit on me, I'm not gonna trust the 101st to not do it as well.

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oh by the way

compact river Nov 5, 2018, 6:18 PM

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Iven seen lots of knuckles that are chill singing in the pug

rigid crescent Nov 5, 2018, 6:19 PM

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prej·u·dice
/ˈprejədəs/
noun
noun: prejudice; plural noun: prejudices

1.
preconceived opinion that is not based on reason or actual experience.

compact river Nov 5, 2018, 6:19 PM

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Not many toxic ones

rigid crescent Nov 5, 2018, 6:19 PM

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It's based on reason and actual experience

fleet ice Nov 5, 2018, 6:19 PM

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how often i have to repeat myself until you understand that it is not my damn mistake when randoms player abuse this? i saw enough player with a modified version of the admin avatars and they crash or annoy you very often... and know i have to block every of these or what?

bold parcel Nov 5, 2018, 6:20 PM

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I would say taunt or messed with. still do. and in my case. I dont do the click, or the spits. I have had a giggle from time to time by buding into a conversation when I hear the W word. and go with a retarded voice rather than the mock african accent while also holding perfectly normal conversations

and my other monster that looks like if donkeykong was wearing a set of ugandan knuckle skin spandex gets a voice akin to a dieing hippo and spouts the meme as I try to sound as pained and in agony as possible

rigid crescent Nov 5, 2018, 6:20 PM

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you don't, it's your CHOICE to block them

bold parcel Nov 5, 2018, 6:20 PM

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^

fleet ice Nov 5, 2018, 6:20 PM

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.......

rigid crescent Nov 5, 2018, 6:20 PM

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Just like it's my CHOICE to block Knuckles.

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You're free to not block them or to block them, it's a choice that you're given in VRChat.

fleet ice Nov 5, 2018, 6:21 PM

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you missunderstood the topic, the topic was not to have a choice, the topic was to get blocked instantly and losing a trust rank because of this

rigid crescent Nov 5, 2018, 6:21 PM

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you won't lose trust rank

fleet ice Nov 5, 2018, 6:21 PM

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I DID

rigid crescent Nov 5, 2018, 6:21 PM

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How do you know that's why?

bold parcel Nov 5, 2018, 6:21 PM

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what are the ways that you lose trust rank then?

umbral reef Nov 5, 2018, 6:21 PM

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The admins told you ya didnt 👏

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Stop being so dense my dude

rigid crescent Nov 5, 2018, 6:21 PM

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they've said "you might see a fluctuation in ranks while we mess with the numbers"

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it's in the patch blog thing

compact river Nov 5, 2018, 6:22 PM

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Getting block a lot does move you twards nuisance im sure that was the whole point of that rank

fleet ice Nov 5, 2018, 6:22 PM

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after random block, the next day i was back to known user, and i'm trusted user... and now trusted user again

bold parcel Nov 5, 2018, 6:22 PM

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Then it was just an unhappy coincidence

rigid crescent Nov 5, 2018, 6:22 PM

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It was most likely a coincidence.

vocal shard Nov 5, 2018, 6:23 PM

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you are trusted user

umbral reef Nov 5, 2018, 6:23 PM

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@compact river They stated in this chat before that just being blocked does not harm you- The system is made so it cant be abused

vocal shard Nov 5, 2018, 6:23 PM

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why do you complain lul

rigid crescent Nov 5, 2018, 6:23 PM

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People have witnessed ranks changing, if that one block is what did it, you would've immediately changed rank.

compact river Nov 5, 2018, 6:23 PM

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Then how do people get nuisance manually assigned

rigid crescent Nov 5, 2018, 6:23 PM

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so, now that your one reasoning is blown out of the water, what now?

umbral reef Nov 5, 2018, 6:23 PM

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@compact river Ask the devs GWnanamiLaceShrug As only they know

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All other users can do is guess

fleet ice Nov 5, 2018, 6:24 PM

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because you say it's coincindence without knowing it 100% you think it is blown? lel

vocal shard Nov 5, 2018, 6:24 PM

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but it is blown and we know it

rigid crescent Nov 5, 2018, 6:24 PM

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and you say it's related without knownig 100%

vocal shard Nov 5, 2018, 6:24 PM

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since ruubick confirmed it

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🤷

rigid crescent Nov 5, 2018, 6:25 PM

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are you saying that Ruuubick is wrong?

fleet ice Nov 5, 2018, 6:25 PM

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then neither nor, but still nothing is blown

bold parcel Nov 5, 2018, 6:25 PM

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Sui, chill. this was all a misunderstanding, just check through the update logs

languid beacon Nov 5, 2018, 6:25 PM

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Knuckles meme will always be special to me - wouldn’t have found VRChat without it

rigid crescent Nov 5, 2018, 6:25 PM

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Suiheisen, an admin told you that you were wrong

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it's blown

umbral reef Nov 5, 2018, 6:25 PM

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Its the reason i stopped playing really lul

fleet ice Nov 5, 2018, 6:26 PM

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but in general it doesnt matter, it is still a damn behavior of people to block someone instantly

rigid crescent Nov 5, 2018, 6:27 PM

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OH it does matter, trust me. you're wrong and don't want to admit it

compact river Nov 5, 2018, 6:27 PM

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Wat?

vocal shard Nov 5, 2018, 6:27 PM

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that's not your problem if they block you tho

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rainbowsway

rigid crescent Nov 5, 2018, 6:27 PM

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Yeah, why do you care this much if an absolute stranger blocks you?

vocal shard Nov 5, 2018, 6:27 PM

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shares popcorn

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take some

fleet ice Nov 5, 2018, 6:28 PM

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show me the Quote please where ruuubick was saying that

vocal shard Nov 5, 2018, 6:28 PM

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DeWey

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Knuckless

junior root Nov 5, 2018, 6:28 PM

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Good afternoon

vocal shard Nov 5, 2018, 6:28 PM

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lmao he blocked me

rigid crescent Nov 5, 2018, 6:28 PM

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"RuuubickToday at 8:29 AM
The system prevents that kind of abuse, so it was something else"

umbral reef Nov 5, 2018, 6:28 PM

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https://i.imgur.com/IhlJT4Q.png 👏 @fleet ice

rigid crescent Nov 5, 2018, 6:29 PM

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now what?

umbral reef Nov 5, 2018, 6:29 PM

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He is going to deny the photo

rigid crescent Nov 5, 2018, 6:29 PM

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nah he's gonna say it's not a real answer

vocal shard Nov 5, 2018, 6:29 PM

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or it's not proof enough

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or it doesnt matter

rigid crescent Nov 5, 2018, 6:29 PM

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yep, he's that kind of individual

vocal shard Nov 5, 2018, 6:30 PM

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https://d1u5p3l4wpay3k.cloudfront.net/dota2_gamepedia/5/57/Rubick_kill_02.mp3 @fleet ice 👏

rigid crescent Nov 5, 2018, 6:30 PM

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The announcement flat out said that we should expect to see changes in the ranks basically randomly.

vocal shard Nov 5, 2018, 6:30 PM

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doesnt matter

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it's racist, man

rigid crescent Nov 5, 2018, 6:30 PM

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lol racist

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yeah i liked that one

undone perch Nov 5, 2018, 6:30 PM

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I'm here and I made actual popcorn this is great

compact river Nov 5, 2018, 6:30 PM

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Y'all have ptsd

fleet ice Nov 5, 2018, 6:31 PM

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hm why ruuubick was not able to say something like this in my emails? why i have to start is again here until he said different words? weird

rigid crescent Nov 5, 2018, 6:31 PM

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Not really.

undone perch Nov 5, 2018, 6:31 PM

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In english please

rigid crescent Nov 5, 2018, 6:31 PM

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You got an answer, correct? Yes or no question.

compact river Nov 5, 2018, 6:32 PM

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Because they do t want people to know the systems so they will say all sorts of things

rigid crescent Nov 5, 2018, 6:32 PM

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and that answer tells you that the blocks have nothing to do with your rank change, correct? another yes or no question.

vocal shard Nov 5, 2018, 6:32 PM

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https://d1u5p3l4wpay3k.cloudfront.net/dota2_gamepedia/0/04/Rubick_deny_12.mp3 rubick rn

compact river Nov 5, 2018, 6:32 PM

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Than are generic af

fleet ice Nov 5, 2018, 6:32 PM

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yes, but this don't explain to me why i was 4 days back to known user after blocks

rigid crescent Nov 5, 2018, 6:32 PM

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Because the ranking fluctuate

vocal shard Nov 5, 2018, 6:32 PM

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anyone have probleme with Standing animation looping with the new sdk 🤔

rigid crescent Nov 5, 2018, 6:32 PM

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The announcement says that much

umbral reef Nov 5, 2018, 6:32 PM

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@fleet ice Why didnt you accept his answer when he gave it GWcfcThonk Same question

vocal shard Nov 5, 2018, 6:32 PM

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@vocal shard nope

compact river Nov 5, 2018, 6:33 PM

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I have not used a newer sdk in a long time its 2 much work replacing them

rigid crescent Nov 5, 2018, 6:33 PM

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You don't need an explanation of why you gained your rank, it doesn't change the fact that the block had nothing to do with it.

vocal shard Nov 5, 2018, 6:33 PM

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deleting a folder and reimporting an asset is too much work ?

umbral reef Nov 5, 2018, 6:33 PM

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^^

rigid crescent Nov 5, 2018, 6:33 PM

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I legitimately know someone with a minimum of 180-ish blocks that had Veteran status. Blocks do not matter, for the most part.

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or at all possibly

vocal shard Nov 5, 2018, 6:33 PM

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i know a dude with 2500 blocks

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personnaly i jusut downlaod the new sdk and my animation dont work anymore on vrchat

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still trusted

rigid crescent Nov 5, 2018, 6:33 PM

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exactly

compact river Nov 5, 2018, 6:33 PM

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Mine is working and im not testing fate

umbral reef Nov 5, 2018, 6:34 PM

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@vocal shard Legacy animations?

vocal shard Nov 5, 2018, 6:34 PM

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yeah

umbral reef Nov 5, 2018, 6:34 PM

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IF so- That aint because of the SDK

fleet ice Nov 5, 2018, 6:34 PM

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by the way, befor you start laughing because of the word racists, just look for the definition and compare it with the behaviors of instant blockers

umbral reef Nov 5, 2018, 6:34 PM

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But you not reading announcements 👀 As its explained somewhere in there

rigid crescent Nov 5, 2018, 6:34 PM

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"a person who shows or feels discrimination or prejudice against people of other races, or who believes that a particular race is superior to another."

vocal shard Nov 5, 2018, 6:34 PM

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legacy animation stopped working since september i believe

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i never seen that annoncement

rigid crescent Nov 5, 2018, 6:34 PM

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You're not another race.

vocal shard Nov 5, 2018, 6:34 PM

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OH NO

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PLz

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Dont tell me he remove it

umbral reef Nov 5, 2018, 6:34 PM

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Its gone gone ye

vocal shard Nov 5, 2018, 6:34 PM

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yes

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Omg

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legacy animations are gone

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whyy ??

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👌

fleet ice Nov 5, 2018, 6:35 PM

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"prejudice against people" is everything what you need to know

vocal shard Nov 5, 2018, 6:35 PM

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cuz people exploited it to fuck up the game

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that retard personnaly

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no

rigid crescent Nov 5, 2018, 6:35 PM

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LOL NO

vocal shard Nov 5, 2018, 6:35 PM

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it's a good thing that they removed it

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the exploit was pretty bad.

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i use it to just make move myu tail and some object on my character

rigid crescent Nov 5, 2018, 6:35 PM

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If someone is racist towards me for the color of my skin, it has massive societal impacts. My whole life can be changed due to people being racist towards my specific ethnic group. I can never EVER change the color of my skin, I can never be another race. There's nothing I can do, and I'm basically stuck with way and have to deal with people that are racist towards me as long as I live.

vocal shard Nov 5, 2018, 6:36 PM

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you are supposed to use animators for that

twin jacinth Nov 5, 2018, 6:36 PM

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You guys gonna get Ruubick'd again

vocal shard Nov 5, 2018, 6:36 PM

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that doesnt require legacy

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sorry, to bud in... But didn't Ruubick say to move away from the knuckles topic?

rigid crescent Nov 5, 2018, 6:36 PM

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on VRChat, if someone blocks me because of my avatar, I am free to change it. there's no societal or real world impact

vocal shard Nov 5, 2018, 6:36 PM

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wow rude jamie

rigid crescent Nov 5, 2018, 6:36 PM

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Equating knuckles "prejudice" to real racism is actually really rude

vocal shard Nov 5, 2018, 6:36 PM

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personnaly i can just see my animation with (lagacy)

fleet ice Nov 5, 2018, 6:36 PM

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nvm. this is a fight of different opinions what can never solved

rigid crescent Nov 5, 2018, 6:37 PM

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No, you're literally just wrong.

vocal shard Nov 5, 2018, 6:37 PM

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if he have a other way show me it lol XD

rigid crescent Nov 5, 2018, 6:37 PM

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but whatever

compact river Nov 5, 2018, 6:37 PM

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If you wanna be an ass hat changing avatars will not stop people from blocking you tho

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🤔

vocal shard Nov 5, 2018, 6:37 PM

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@vocal shard check the #animation channel and look at the pins to switch your legacy animation to normal animation

rigid crescent Nov 5, 2018, 6:37 PM

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Absolutely, but at that point it's not based on your looks, it's based solely on personality.

vocal shard Nov 5, 2018, 6:37 PM

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Teenosaurus rex

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@vocal shard if you want to make your tail move for example, you will need to put an animaTOR component on the root of the tail and animate it like you would do with a legacy animation

fleet ice Nov 5, 2018, 6:39 PM

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there is nothing wrong, you stopp being social because of prejudices.. this is can be the beginning of racism, and the mainstream is your leading and tell you every day "knuckles are the enemy, just block them" and you follow instead of thinking first

vocal shard Nov 5, 2018, 6:39 PM

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click click click

sterile drift Nov 5, 2018, 6:39 PM

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Oh I just looked back here uhh

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Well

vocal shard Nov 5, 2018, 6:39 PM

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...

sterile drift Nov 5, 2018, 6:39 PM

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I didn't care to read what was going on

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So I'm just gonna assume the same nonsense as before

twin jacinth Nov 5, 2018, 6:40 PM

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Drop it already, such a pointless discussion at this point.

sterile drift Nov 5, 2018, 6:40 PM

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Different subject, look at the Admins of the discord. They're a traffic light.

vocal shard Nov 5, 2018, 6:40 PM

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@sterile drift yes and even worse

sterile drift Nov 5, 2018, 6:40 PM

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their statuses

rigid crescent Nov 5, 2018, 6:40 PM

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Again, equating not liking knuckles to racism is actually really rude, it's like equating trust rank to castes.

vocal shard Nov 5, 2018, 6:40 PM

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since all "arguments" are basically non-existent from him

compact river Nov 5, 2018, 6:40 PM

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Just people being toxic just turn around 😂

sterile drift Nov 5, 2018, 6:40 PM

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lol

fleet ice Nov 5, 2018, 6:40 PM

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@sterile drift give one argument besides calling something nonesense

twin jacinth Nov 5, 2018, 6:40 PM

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Oh nicely spotted Lone :P that's pretty cool

rigid crescent Nov 5, 2018, 6:40 PM

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I 100% think before I block a knuckles, I'm in full control.

sterile drift Nov 5, 2018, 6:40 PM

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Everything's nonsense for me lmao

worldly comet Nov 5, 2018, 6:40 PM

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@fleet ice so, if you know that people hate knuckles and are gonna block you straight away, why are you trying to force it? You obviously can't handle being blocked, so why not use something that the majority of the VRChat community do not hate?

rigid crescent Nov 5, 2018, 6:40 PM

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I don't block them because other people do it, I block them because of my experiences wtih them.

sterile drift Nov 5, 2018, 6:41 PM

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Also Sui, you don't have to at me for everything.

rigid crescent Nov 5, 2018, 6:41 PM

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It's not the same as disliking an entire, real life human race

fleet ice Nov 5, 2018, 6:41 PM

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@sterile drift give an example and give me the argument, come one

rigid crescent Nov 5, 2018, 6:41 PM

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it has no real impact

vocal shard Nov 5, 2018, 6:41 PM

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vrchat = real life, mic

sterile drift Nov 5, 2018, 6:41 PM

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What if I don't wanna?

vocal shard Nov 5, 2018, 6:41 PM

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get it together cmon

fleet ice Nov 5, 2018, 6:41 PM

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because you can't

rigid crescent Nov 5, 2018, 6:41 PM

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~~you'd think so based on the hours~~

vocal shard Nov 5, 2018, 6:41 PM

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or maybe he doesnt care ?

rigid crescent Nov 5, 2018, 6:41 PM

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oooh classic 10 year old response

sterile drift Nov 5, 2018, 6:41 PM

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Nah I just don't think you're worth my time 😎

fleet ice Nov 5, 2018, 6:42 PM

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easy to say little boy

rigid crescent Nov 5, 2018, 6:42 PM

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lOL

umbral reef Nov 5, 2018, 6:42 PM

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Can we all just ignore eachother as this went from funny to sad to pathetic

compact river Nov 5, 2018, 6:42 PM

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Someone purge this

rigid crescent Nov 5, 2018, 6:42 PM

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You have a really poor personality, maybe that's part of why people block you.

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If i want to block Knuckles, I will. If i want to block those horrid full body emission mapped tattoo cat girls, I will.

vocal shard Nov 5, 2018, 6:42 PM

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yeah, this is just pathetic now

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I'd say it's time to move on from this.

sterile drift Nov 5, 2018, 6:42 PM

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Yep

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Agreed

twin jacinth Nov 5, 2018, 6:42 PM

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Agreed

rigid crescent Nov 5, 2018, 6:42 PM

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oh the cops are here :# im done then

twin jacinth Nov 5, 2018, 6:42 PM

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Svel lmao

compact river Nov 5, 2018, 6:42 PM

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Yall need to move on just being toxic does nothing

twin jacinth Nov 5, 2018, 6:42 PM

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fucking hell

sterile drift Nov 5, 2018, 6:43 PM

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Gotta convince Sui to move on though lol

rigid crescent Nov 5, 2018, 6:43 PM

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nah just ban him

sterile drift Nov 5, 2018, 6:43 PM

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Or that^

vocal shard Nov 5, 2018, 6:43 PM

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OMEGALUL

compact river Nov 5, 2018, 6:43 PM

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Dude chill

umbral reef Nov 5, 2018, 6:43 PM

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@vocal shard Oi get online

vocal shard Nov 5, 2018, 6:43 PM

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I just got home, lemme rest.

fleet ice Nov 5, 2018, 6:43 PM

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haha still can't give one example.. he just follows what other say

vocal shard Nov 5, 2018, 6:43 PM

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move on

rigid crescent Nov 5, 2018, 6:43 PM

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see? he's still going

umbral reef Nov 5, 2018, 6:43 PM

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GWtogaTheSaddest I got work early tomorrow so i cant play to long

sterile drift Nov 5, 2018, 6:43 PM

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lmao

twin jacinth Nov 5, 2018, 6:43 PM

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Can we get someone to warn this person so he stops please?

vocal shard Nov 5, 2018, 6:43 PM

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ok

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that actualy the same thing

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but

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Give me 5 mins.

sterile drift Nov 5, 2018, 6:43 PM

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He HAS been warned, that's the funny part tanabae

vocal shard Nov 5, 2018, 6:44 PM

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your using the animator

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yo

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ready the 👏

umbral reef Nov 5, 2018, 6:44 PM

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GWnanamiNaruLove Oki

twin jacinth Nov 5, 2018, 6:44 PM

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👏

compact river Nov 5, 2018, 6:44 PM

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This is in no way one sided thats the sad part

rigid crescent Nov 5, 2018, 6:44 PM

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Luckily his IGN is the same as his Discord one, easy block :3

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just throwing that one out there

vocal shard Nov 5, 2018, 6:45 PM

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no need

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you see a knuckle in-game

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just block it

twin jacinth Nov 5, 2018, 6:45 PM

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😂

vocal shard Nov 5, 2018, 6:45 PM

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lul

astral cliff Nov 5, 2018, 6:45 PM

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Someone say purge?

vocal shard Nov 5, 2018, 6:45 PM

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monkaS

compact river Nov 5, 2018, 6:45 PM

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Ya

sterile drift Nov 5, 2018, 6:45 PM

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Also Sui, I don't really know what you're on about with an "example" and I don't really care either.

undone perch Nov 5, 2018, 6:45 PM

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Crap I'm out of popcorn

sterile drift Nov 5, 2018, 6:45 PM

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If it's about the conversation that was going on, I really don't wanna waste my time scrolling up to read 238 messages

fleet ice Nov 5, 2018, 6:45 PM

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mimimi he is unpleasant and dont follow wrong mainstream opinions, block block block...

sterile drift Nov 5, 2018, 6:46 PM

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LOL

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k

vocal shard Nov 5, 2018, 6:46 PM

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aOMEGALUL

compact river Nov 5, 2018, 6:46 PM

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Its the ptsd man

vocal shard Nov 5, 2018, 6:46 PM

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oof

astral cliff Nov 5, 2018, 6:46 PM

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Aww shit chat is lagging behind on phone

sterile drift Nov 5, 2018, 6:46 PM

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Vietnam flashbacks

vocal shard Nov 5, 2018, 6:46 PM

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fortnut

twin jacinth Nov 5, 2018, 6:46 PM

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FPaul save us

sterile drift Nov 5, 2018, 6:46 PM

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FPaul finish typing

vocal shard Nov 5, 2018, 6:46 PM

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i wasn't even in 'nam

sterile drift Nov 5, 2018, 6:46 PM

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Plez

fleet ice Nov 5, 2018, 6:47 PM

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interesting how many people feel adressed

rigid crescent Nov 5, 2018, 6:47 PM

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lol

sterile drift Nov 5, 2018, 6:47 PM

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"Addressed"

umbral reef Nov 5, 2018, 6:47 PM

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Intresting you manage to get this many peeps pissed without doing anything really

vocal shard Nov 5, 2018, 6:47 PM

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he is being dumb

sterile drift Nov 5, 2018, 6:47 PM

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Without doing anything... Hmm

vocal shard Nov 5, 2018, 6:47 PM

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dumb people are easily annoying

rigid crescent Nov 5, 2018, 6:47 PM

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this might get a fat yeet, but i like when non-native english speakers try to argue with fluent ones

umbral reef Nov 5, 2018, 6:47 PM

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Almost makes ya think he did do something

compact river Nov 5, 2018, 6:47 PM

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Toxic af

rigid crescent Nov 5, 2018, 6:48 PM

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like obviously it's not their fault they can't speak english well

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but it's just funny

vocal shard Nov 5, 2018, 6:48 PM

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guys... Remember that WE were warned not to drag a situation out and meme it.... Time to stop

umbral reef Nov 5, 2018, 6:48 PM

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Nah guys, that cant be it. We are the baddies GWnanamiRemThink I think

vocal shard Nov 5, 2018, 6:48 PM

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agreed

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If ya'll wanna continue, move on to DMs

ruby needle Nov 5, 2018, 6:48 PM

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As Advert allready said, please move on from this topic.
This is for both parties.

umbral reef Nov 5, 2018, 6:48 PM

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GWnanamiKongouLewd

undone perch Nov 5, 2018, 6:48 PM

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I'm out of popcorn therefore the argument is over

vocal shard Nov 5, 2018, 6:48 PM

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Nobulli

umbral reef Nov 5, 2018, 6:48 PM

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dm's

sterile drift Nov 5, 2018, 6:48 PM

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Alright

undone perch Nov 5, 2018, 6:48 PM

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everyone begone

sterile drift Nov 5, 2018, 6:48 PM

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Dragon LOL

rigid crescent Nov 5, 2018, 6:48 PM

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ok so why does everything i read say i have to unwrap to texture paint, but i'm able to do it just fine

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without unwrapping

compact river Nov 5, 2018, 6:48 PM

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Begone t...

vocal shard Nov 5, 2018, 6:48 PM

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vrcmuted

sterile drift Nov 5, 2018, 6:49 PM

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vrcblocked

umbral reef Nov 5, 2018, 6:49 PM

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@rigid crescent Think it depends on the model

compact river Nov 5, 2018, 6:49 PM

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EXSGT

astral cliff Nov 5, 2018, 6:49 PM

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Windows shutdown

twin jacinth Nov 5, 2018, 6:49 PM

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So how is everyone doing on this fine Monday?
Worst day of the week

vocal shard Nov 5, 2018, 6:49 PM

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kannapolice

umbral reef Nov 5, 2018, 6:49 PM

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@twin jacinth Its monday

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Wont have to say anything else

twin jacinth Nov 5, 2018, 6:49 PM

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True xD

vocal shard Nov 5, 2018, 6:49 PM

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Moanday

rigid crescent Nov 5, 2018, 6:49 PM

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i'm just learning how to do it now since i've heard applying tattoos using it can be easier, so i guess pre-mapped mmds are fine

fleet ice Nov 5, 2018, 6:49 PM

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alright, if someone is interesting in a smart discussion without being offending and with arguments, write me a pm ;*

umbral reef Nov 5, 2018, 6:50 PM

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Oi advert- Its NNN

undone perch Nov 5, 2018, 6:50 PM

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pm*

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or dm

vocal shard Nov 5, 2018, 6:50 PM

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nnn?

rigid crescent Nov 5, 2018, 6:50 PM

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Not Nice November

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gotta be mean all month

compact river Nov 5, 2018, 6:50 PM

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Slide into those dms

vocal shard Nov 5, 2018, 6:50 PM

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o

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oof

umbral reef Nov 5, 2018, 6:50 PM

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Not doing a speficic action november yea

compact river Nov 5, 2018, 6:50 PM

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Rip

vocal shard Nov 5, 2018, 6:50 PM

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Oclac's never nice to me anyways

rigid crescent Nov 5, 2018, 6:50 PM

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oof

umbral reef Nov 5, 2018, 6:50 PM

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Wa!

vocal shard Nov 5, 2018, 6:50 PM

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instant delete OMEGALUL

umbral reef Nov 5, 2018, 6:50 PM

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Lies!

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Im always nice GWnanamiChiakiPout

sterile drift Nov 5, 2018, 6:50 PM

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Oclac getting the 👏

umbral reef Nov 5, 2018, 6:50 PM

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Ok that might also be a lie

vocal shard Nov 5, 2018, 6:50 PM

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Oof

umbral reef Nov 5, 2018, 6:50 PM

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But im mostly nice GWnanamiHikariPout

vocal shard Nov 5, 2018, 6:51 PM

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@umbral reef jump

umbral reef Nov 5, 2018, 6:52 PM

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Ya online then?

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Dont see you

rigid crescent Nov 5, 2018, 6:52 PM

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oh my god, texturing painting is amazing...

vocal shard Nov 5, 2018, 6:52 PM

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just loading

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@rigid crescent it is

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i started to texture paint like a month ago

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so easy

rigid crescent Nov 5, 2018, 6:53 PM

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~~if only everything wasn't mirrored~~

vocal shard Nov 5, 2018, 6:53 PM

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i mostly use texture paint when i combine multiple model so the skin color can match

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Lads

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Heyo

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Hey kindbot ^^

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Coming back to 397 new messages GWqlabsMingLUL

gleaming patio Nov 5, 2018, 6:56 PM

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On the topic of mirrored, is it bad if i just use negative tiling?

vocal shard Nov 5, 2018, 6:56 PM

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Not worth reading

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Lol

compact river Nov 5, 2018, 6:56 PM

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Dont read them unity_chan_dab

vocal shard Nov 5, 2018, 6:56 PM

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I don’t

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why would you use negative tiling ?

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Why would you think that I care about stuff like that?

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Jasyidk

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Exactly

gleaming patio Nov 5, 2018, 6:57 PM

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Because of writing on the texture

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It was mirrored

umbral reef Nov 5, 2018, 7:06 PM

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Whatt map is good to explore?

ivory folio Nov 5, 2018, 7:15 PM

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Lag free box vrcsmile

twin jacinth Nov 5, 2018, 7:15 PM

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LuL

umbral reef Nov 5, 2018, 7:16 PM

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Ez block

undone perch Nov 5, 2018, 7:17 PM

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Wait I can answer this one give me a minute to find the name

vocal shard Nov 5, 2018, 7:17 PM

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I’m counting

undone perch Nov 5, 2018, 7:17 PM

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White skyscrapers and voxel tower are HUGE maps

vocal shard Nov 5, 2018, 7:18 PM

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Good

undone perch Nov 5, 2018, 7:18 PM

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kinda barren, but it would be fun for hide and seek like I was suggesting

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But for real please someone play hide and seek with me

ruby needle Nov 5, 2018, 7:18 PM

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@ivory folio but it's "The Box" not cirPrise

ivory folio Nov 5, 2018, 7:19 PM

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:(

sterile drift Nov 5, 2018, 7:26 PM

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Lag free in the name = Not gonna be uploaded

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yuH

vocal shard Nov 5, 2018, 7:27 PM

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just write "eerf gal" and you are good to go

tacit plank Nov 5, 2018, 7:37 PM

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That electric sands world is interesting

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Takes... A while to explore too

neon flume Nov 5, 2018, 7:50 PM

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I was only there for a little while, definitely need to go back and explored it more thoroughly. The amount of detail is astounding.

somber cradle Nov 5, 2018, 7:50 PM

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was up

ruby burrow Nov 5, 2018, 8:27 PM

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'Sketchu Spring' has a nice little exploration element to it, with an unlockable secret avatar as recognition of said exploration.

sterile drift Nov 5, 2018, 8:27 PM

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Yep

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Also can anyone else imagine VRPill in a "You know I had to do it to 'em" pose?

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Like

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I just want a picture of that

kind anchor Nov 5, 2018, 8:35 PM

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im having some issues with vrchat atm, login takes around 10 mintues and none of my hotkeys works when im loaded even my mic toggle is not working

glass yacht Nov 5, 2018, 8:50 PM

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if anybody feels down and wants a laugh, here is my first attampt at rigging my cow av gen 1 way back XD warning, it is well and truly fucked https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/502553936998301727/509106839502192670/ogkaqupi86i11.png

tacit plank Nov 5, 2018, 8:51 PM

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Stormy cave too, but you have to use your head a bit

zinc nebula Nov 5, 2018, 8:59 PM

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I've been thinking of getting a headset should I get the htc vive or oculus rift?

woven stone Nov 5, 2018, 9:01 PM

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dont get it if you only wanna get it for VRC

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you WILL regret it

gleaming patio Nov 5, 2018, 9:02 PM

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only got it for vrc

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didnt regret

vocal shard Nov 5, 2018, 9:02 PM

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It's mainly to preference. Each has something nice than the other.

If you're wanting the most immersive controllers, go with the rift.
The vive is good for the upgrade path, and the ability to add trackers for full body, or switch to other headsets like pimax down the line

gleaming patio Nov 5, 2018, 9:02 PM

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most expensive game ever

woven stone Nov 5, 2018, 9:03 PM

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as long as they don't fix the glaring issues of every 3rd person running around with a crash, the only thing you will do is sit infront of mirrors

gleaming patio Nov 5, 2018, 9:03 PM

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valve is bringing the knuckles controllers at some point in the future (tm)

woven stone Nov 5, 2018, 9:03 PM

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or have fun at a danceparty before someone jumps in and crashes the whole lobby

gleaming patio Nov 5, 2018, 9:03 PM

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didnt crash for days

queen mango Nov 5, 2018, 9:03 PM

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Aren't they going to be expensive though?

woven stone Nov 5, 2018, 9:03 PM

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for days, is that an achievemnt?

gleaming patio Nov 5, 2018, 9:03 PM

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dunno

queen mango Nov 5, 2018, 9:03 PM

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Knuckle controllers are still relatively new

woven stone Nov 5, 2018, 9:03 PM

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it should be "I never get crashed because they fixed it"

vocal shard Nov 5, 2018, 9:03 PM

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Ok, we get it, you get crashed. I haven't been crashed in months, so not everyone has the same experience

woven stone Nov 5, 2018, 9:04 PM

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not "I didnt get crashed for a few days, seems good"

gleaming patio Nov 5, 2018, 9:04 PM

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no it definitely shouldnt be like that

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but it isn't as bad as you re portraying it

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which is not to say that we can let it slide either

woven stone Nov 5, 2018, 9:04 PM

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They are too afraid to ban all of the people having crashes which is like 30% of VRC population

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😄

gleaming patio Nov 5, 2018, 9:05 PM

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@queen mango i still kinda believe that valve will not make them as expensive as htc did their controllers

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some kind of faith left

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i think

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maybe it's foolish

queen mango Nov 5, 2018, 9:05 PM

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Hmm... Aren't they concerned with improving the game?
It's not that crashers are of any value to them...

vocal shard Nov 5, 2018, 9:06 PM

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There's more going on behind the scenes... They aren't "being lazy, and just not dealing with the situation"...

gleaming patio Nov 5, 2018, 9:06 PM

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i think it's also hard to determine people who cause crashes maybe?

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not sure

zinc nebula Nov 5, 2018, 9:06 PM

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i't also a free game

woven stone Nov 5, 2018, 9:07 PM

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@gleaming patio you pull out a gun to show it to your friend

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yu accidentally shoot your friend

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you still need to be held accountable for your action

gleaming patio Nov 5, 2018, 9:07 PM

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well do you know you cause crashes in the game?

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can you know

woven stone Nov 5, 2018, 9:08 PM

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Thats why there is private instances

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if you wanna fiddle around with animations and particles

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and can test it

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and lets be honest, most crashes are deliberatly caused

gleaming patio Nov 5, 2018, 9:08 PM

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it would be good if the game had a way to detect whose avatar caused it

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so the player can be knocked for it

woven stone Nov 5, 2018, 9:09 PM

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would be good if you didn't even have the ability to do it in the first place

gleaming patio Nov 5, 2018, 9:09 PM

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evne better, yeah

woven stone Nov 5, 2018, 9:09 PM

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give people a way to abuse something and it will be abused

gleaming patio Nov 5, 2018, 9:09 PM

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still, i won't like to lose the kind of freedom this thing offers in exchange for it

placid umbra Nov 5, 2018, 9:10 PM

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Deliberately crashing someone is obviously against the rules and is bannable

rigid crescent Nov 5, 2018, 9:10 PM

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what kind of freedom lol

gleaming patio Nov 5, 2018, 9:10 PM

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in avatar creation

rigid crescent Nov 5, 2018, 9:10 PM

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what kind of freedom?

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the type of freedom to make crash particle systems

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or mesh crashers

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because there's, to my knowledge, zero application of those things outside crashing.

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the only freeodom that would be lost is the "freedom" to crash people

gleaming patio Nov 5, 2018, 9:11 PM

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but can you filter them out among the valid meshes and valid particle systems?

rigid crescent Nov 5, 2018, 9:11 PM

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the difference is worlds apart

gleaming patio Nov 5, 2018, 9:12 PM

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often times the difference between exploit and legal input is only a few bytes

rigid crescent Nov 5, 2018, 9:12 PM

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uhh

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do you make avatars?

gleaming patio Nov 5, 2018, 9:12 PM

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why

rigid crescent Nov 5, 2018, 9:12 PM

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in the nicest way possible, it sounds like you don't know what you're talking about

covert chasm Nov 5, 2018, 9:13 PM

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It is obscenely obvious when a particle system/shader has been written for the explicit case of causing perf issues/crashing users

rigid crescent Nov 5, 2018, 9:13 PM

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It's like saying we'd be losing a freedom to have 50000000 dynamic bones on an avatar if they proposed a limit.

gleaming patio Nov 5, 2018, 9:13 PM

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well i've only practiced IT for 10 years professionaly, so maybe you can tell me

woven stone Nov 5, 2018, 9:13 PM

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@covert chasm THANK YOU

rigid crescent Nov 5, 2018, 9:13 PM

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oof, that's unfortunate

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10 years and you aren't able to tell there's a difference

covert chasm Nov 5, 2018, 9:14 PM

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If you had the freedom to send whatever packet you'd like, sure, a few bytes swapped around might cause weird stuff, but you don't, so...

queen mango Nov 5, 2018, 9:14 PM

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The results should be predictable

rigid crescent Nov 5, 2018, 9:14 PM

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There's a very clear line between "some particles that do the thing" to "9999999 particles compressed into a tiny ball"

gleaming patio Nov 5, 2018, 9:14 PM

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if it's really only about excessive numbers of things, then it should be easy?

queen mango Nov 5, 2018, 9:14 PM

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Not really...

woven stone Nov 5, 2018, 9:14 PM

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easy to abuse yes

gleaming patio Nov 5, 2018, 9:15 PM

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no i mean easy to limit

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but i'm sure that's not the only problem

rigid crescent Nov 5, 2018, 9:15 PM

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Just like the poly limit and the size limit ecks dee

covert chasm Nov 5, 2018, 9:15 PM

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10 years of IT should have taught you that any kind of engineering problem addressable as "easy" is, in fact, never easy 😛

woven stone Nov 5, 2018, 9:15 PM

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The problem is there is ways to just offset the limites

rigid crescent Nov 5, 2018, 9:15 PM

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Still waiting on the removal of the Cloth Physics script :3

woven stone Nov 5, 2018, 9:15 PM

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the limits should be hard coded no matter what

gleaming patio Nov 5, 2018, 9:15 PM

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i mean imagine there's such a thing as 10 bones parented in a circle and vrchat crashes from it

woven stone Nov 5, 2018, 9:15 PM

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and if you need more numbers let the devs give you those

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and dont fiddle with it yourself

gleaming patio Nov 5, 2018, 9:16 PM

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because the IK goes into an endless loop. there's no excessive number of anything

woven stone Nov 5, 2018, 9:16 PM

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but why would you need that

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except for crashing? 🤔

gleaming patio Nov 5, 2018, 9:16 PM

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exactly, but you would need to have another detection rule for that

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i think with as complex things as unity scene graphs there are unlimited possibilities of creating invalid data without having excessively much of it

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while you could probably fend off easy resource exhaustion things like "millions of bones" i'm sure going all the way is fighting windmills

vocal shard Nov 5, 2018, 9:18 PM

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talking about possible exploits in public discords is also not the best idea in the world

lusty folio Nov 5, 2018, 9:18 PM

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please

woven stone Nov 5, 2018, 9:18 PM

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oh please

compact river Nov 5, 2018, 9:18 PM

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These are very well know

woven stone Nov 5, 2018, 9:18 PM

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its not like everything has already been done

lusty folio Nov 5, 2018, 9:19 PM

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everyone who knows how to make an avatar crahser knows anything discussed in here

vocal shard Nov 5, 2018, 9:19 PM

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it's stupid

woven stone Nov 5, 2018, 9:19 PM

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its stupid that it exists

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yes

lusty folio Nov 5, 2018, 9:19 PM

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its not though

woven stone Nov 5, 2018, 9:19 PM

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I 100% agree

lusty folio Nov 5, 2018, 9:19 PM

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*not stupid to talk about it

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for 1 avatar crashers arent even really a problem at this point

woven stone Nov 5, 2018, 9:19 PM

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if noone ever talks about it, it never gets adressed

lusty folio Nov 5, 2018, 9:19 PM

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the safety system mostly dixed it

placid umbra Nov 5, 2018, 9:19 PM

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It's against the rules and it'd be good to stop discussing it in detail.

vocal shard Nov 5, 2018, 9:19 PM

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^

lusty folio Nov 5, 2018, 9:19 PM

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we're not discussing it in detail

woven stone Nov 5, 2018, 9:19 PM

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But when will those things be fixed tho

placid umbra Nov 5, 2018, 9:19 PM

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🤔

woven stone Nov 5, 2018, 9:19 PM

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🤷

gleaming patio Nov 5, 2018, 9:20 PM

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i was just lamenting on it on a very meta level to be honest

quartz osprey Nov 5, 2018, 9:20 PM

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if you know the unity version, just look for the unity optimizations and do the opposite in the script

lusty folio Nov 5, 2018, 9:20 PM

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I have been avatar crashed twice in my vrchat lifetime

woven stone Nov 5, 2018, 9:20 PM

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Just the basic fundamental problem of it existing is my problem

placid umbra Nov 5, 2018, 9:20 PM

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As always, exploits can be reported to moderation@vrchat.com or hello@vrchat.com

rigid crescent Nov 5, 2018, 9:20 PM

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no one reports is probably one of the big issues

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it's kind of a pain in the ass after all

woven stone Nov 5, 2018, 9:20 PM

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because there is no report feedback

tacit plank Nov 5, 2018, 9:20 PM

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They were just discussing invalid data in general, I guess. Staff already knows about these things

woven stone Nov 5, 2018, 9:21 PM

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even Dota / league and other toxic games have report feedback

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it at least tells you "something has been done against ONE person you reported"

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without a name

gleaming patio Nov 5, 2018, 9:21 PM

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how is your policy on finding out possible exploits on the official server (in a controlled environment, friends for example) to report them?

rigid crescent Nov 5, 2018, 9:21 PM

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even with it, it's a pain in the ass to do. if you got a reply saying "we got em boys" , it's still a pain to report at all

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that's why no one does it. they don't know how or they can't be troubled, they want to get back into the game

modern sand Nov 5, 2018, 9:21 PM

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@gleaming patio Anonymously at moderation@vrchat.com

rigid crescent Nov 5, 2018, 9:21 PM

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if i'm getting cursed out or see a hacker in Overwatch, click a whole three or four buttons

lusty folio Nov 5, 2018, 9:22 PM

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tbh

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reporting is useless without evidence

woven stone Nov 5, 2018, 9:22 PM

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its also problematic that reporting always comes with "DO YOU HAVE SUFFICIENT PROOF" well how, should I run shadowplay 24/7 while playing?

lusty folio Nov 5, 2018, 9:22 PM

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they can't ban without proof

woven stone Nov 5, 2018, 9:22 PM

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I feel like I have to monitor every second of VRc play

gleaming patio Nov 5, 2018, 9:22 PM

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i'm not into security research to be honest, but if i ever stumble upon anything dangerous i would report it in detail

woven stone Nov 5, 2018, 9:22 PM

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@lusty folio they can just look into it

lusty folio Nov 5, 2018, 9:22 PM

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not really

rigid crescent Nov 5, 2018, 9:22 PM

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in VRC, I have to hop out of VR, get on my desktop, grab my output log, find he website, type up the report, then send it

woven stone Nov 5, 2018, 9:23 PM

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so if a whole instance crashes, nobody can say how it happened, it just happened?
Can't even try to look into it.

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like i said, I got back to shadowplay and use that all the time

placid umbra Nov 5, 2018, 9:23 PM

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Output log emailed to the mod team

woven stone Nov 5, 2018, 9:23 PM

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because its the only way

tacit plank Nov 5, 2018, 9:23 PM

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Here is something malicious people could do, add a cloth component with default values.
It's not an exploit, but it's still an issue. Doesn't warrant a report though, since it's common knowledge

woven stone Nov 5, 2018, 9:23 PM

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we both know that there are ways to fiddle with the output log

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and that it is not reliable

gleaming patio Nov 5, 2018, 9:23 PM

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is there a good way to trigger shadowplay records from vr?

covert chasm Nov 5, 2018, 9:24 PM

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@tacit plank It absolutely warrants a report. If everyone assumes that it is "common knowledge", then it never gets reported.

quartz osprey Nov 5, 2018, 9:24 PM

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there is a report button in any world (choose any user andnchoose report to let a mod come into the world your reported from to check what is going on))

compact river Nov 5, 2018, 9:24 PM

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Dynamic bones on the hip bone

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Ooof

rigid crescent Nov 5, 2018, 9:24 PM

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I'm like 99% sure that button doesn't work TAnshi

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like they've said it doesn't do anything lol

gleaming patio Nov 5, 2018, 9:24 PM

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ive seen people use it and suddenly a mod jumped in the level

woven stone Nov 5, 2018, 9:24 PM

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@gleaming patio I never tried shadowplay with VR

gleaming patio Nov 5, 2018, 9:25 PM

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aight

woven stone Nov 5, 2018, 9:25 PM

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well that would be a nice change of pace

gleaming patio Nov 5, 2018, 9:25 PM

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i've actually seen in happening in person to be honest

tacit plank Nov 5, 2018, 9:25 PM

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Too many of any component is an issue, too big textures are an issue, avatars with huge filesizes are an issue, avatars with too many dyanamic bones are an issue, etc, etc, etc.
If the staff has uploaded any avatars themselves, they will know most issues

covert chasm Nov 5, 2018, 9:26 PM

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Sure, but how much is too many components? How big is "too big"? How huge is "too huge"? What issues? What happens? How many dynamic bones?

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You've done the research, you know the numbers. No harm in reporting.

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It helps us out 😛

tacit plank Nov 5, 2018, 9:26 PM

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Less obvious ones were reported though, like people putting scrips on avatars a while back, and using cameras, and using animations to bypass SDK limitations

covert chasm Nov 5, 2018, 9:26 PM

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even if its redundant, which it often is-- it helps

rigid crescent Nov 5, 2018, 9:26 PM

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Some semi-official numbers would be nice. We already know that 40 is the "suggested" max on dynamics just from the public worlds declined due to it

glass yacht Nov 5, 2018, 9:26 PM

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erm... avatar crashes ARE in fact still a very real issue, some have found way to crash others even with the new system,, and I have seen shader effects eye rape my screen several times in the pug from people I have even blocked for being disruptive

woven stone Nov 5, 2018, 9:26 PM

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but for real, one question, why don't you hard force the limitations the SDK has atm ?

vernal jacinth Nov 5, 2018, 9:27 PM

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Not even

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@glass yacht

tacit plank Nov 5, 2018, 9:27 PM

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And that's a good point too. To begin with, you could add limits to these things, but keep the limits relatively high. For example, if an avatar is above 100MB there's obviously something wrong

vernal jacinth Nov 5, 2018, 9:27 PM

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Or at least in my experience

rigid crescent Nov 5, 2018, 9:27 PM

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No to the shader thing, but yes, even with the trust system crashing is possible

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100%

gleaming patio Nov 5, 2018, 9:27 PM

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yeah shader effects that go throughough the whole level are still used pretty frequently

glass yacht Nov 5, 2018, 9:27 PM

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you have been lucky then

rigid crescent Nov 5, 2018, 9:27 PM

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that was most likely an issue with your settings or with the trust system applying those settings

gleaming patio Nov 5, 2018, 9:27 PM

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i hate the ones that make you go sick (in vr at least)

vernal jacinth Nov 5, 2018, 9:27 PM

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Oh yes

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ofc there are bypasses to the safety systme

woven stone Nov 5, 2018, 9:28 PM

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@rigid crescent its possible for people to just turn off your Trust settings

compact river Nov 5, 2018, 9:28 PM

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Im also wondering why the limits in the sdk are not inforced server side?

tacit plank Nov 5, 2018, 9:28 PM

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I don't know the cloth values, but I've heard that the default update rate is set super high

woven stone Nov 5, 2018, 9:28 PM

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@compact river exactly what I mean

gleaming patio Nov 5, 2018, 9:28 PM

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there are bypasses to the safety system?

quartz osprey Nov 5, 2018, 9:28 PM

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Lock audio assets etc to the rank level i would say (server sided check)

vernal jacinth Nov 5, 2018, 9:28 PM

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pretty much

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They fixed it

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but a while ago

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I can't explain it much

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since you wouldn't understand much

rigid crescent Nov 5, 2018, 9:28 PM

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lol

gleaming patio Nov 5, 2018, 9:28 PM

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try me

woven stone Nov 5, 2018, 9:28 PM

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@gleaming patio I wont go into detail, but yes, its possible to offseit it completely

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thats all i have to say to this issue

rigid crescent Nov 5, 2018, 9:29 PM

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you can already turn off audio assets by rank

vernal jacinth Nov 5, 2018, 9:29 PM

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^

gleaming patio Nov 5, 2018, 9:29 PM

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well, go into detail towards tupper then

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or something

rigid crescent Nov 5, 2018, 9:29 PM

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i have them all off by default on everyone but friends most of the time, never heard a single peep unless i chose to

tacit plank Nov 5, 2018, 9:29 PM

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That's a thing which should be reported, I think

quartz osprey Nov 5, 2018, 9:30 PM

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i mean even from being able to upload them through the sdk...

tacit plank Nov 5, 2018, 9:30 PM

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But I don't feel that reporting helps much, Tupper. I reported an avatar stealer back in January. He also teleported people and copied usernames. It took over half a year before it was fixed still

vernal jacinth Nov 5, 2018, 9:30 PM

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lo

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lol*

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the main problem right now is people getting logged out

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Which is being fixed right now

tacit plank Nov 5, 2018, 9:32 PM

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That issue is also months old

vernal jacinth Nov 5, 2018, 9:32 PM

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mhm

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but people find more and more ways though

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that's why it's sort of hard to patch

tacit plank Nov 5, 2018, 9:32 PM

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It's just invalid RPC calls isn't it?

vernal jacinth Nov 5, 2018, 9:33 PM

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um pretty much

woven stone Nov 5, 2018, 9:33 PM

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Modified clients in itself are a problem

vernal jacinth Nov 5, 2018, 9:33 PM

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^

woven stone Nov 5, 2018, 9:33 PM

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why are they local

kind anchor Nov 5, 2018, 9:33 PM

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anyone having issues on login and getting timed out atm?

tacit plank Nov 5, 2018, 9:33 PM

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Clients trust other clients too much right now I guess