aka, too lazy :P
#vrchat-general-2
safe prism
idk how to explain it better
you remember the shitty per-app volume control windows has had since forever?
it's better now in windows 10 1803
split plank
yeah?
safe prism
same place, see if it solves your problem
bright harness
when vrchat will add link for a video or a music?
opaque hawk
So windows can run aggregate devices now?
split plank
hmm... so you say I should be able to kind of change the output of a program in there?
would be awesome actually
rigid crescent
You can already add video and music
split plank
yeah, I'm wondering the same, can't change a thing in there
bright harness
@rigid crescent how to do it tho
split plank
nonono, I'm not talking about world creation (even tho I'll be having a question about that topic soon xD) I'm talking about the output to my devices from the game itself
rigid crescent
Find a guide on world making and follow it is my guess.
split plank
yeah, but if it was about the creation of a world, I would have asked in the respective channel... it's more an user oriented problem here than a world issue ^^
at least on my side
bright harness
you can create a world ingame or you have to use a different program?
rigid crescent
Oh thats for the other dude
You use unity.
Google vrchat world creation, probably plenty of guides.
opaque hawk
ask people on this discord because world creation tutorials are constantly getting out of date
split plank
yep rayen, basically everything you upload yourself in VRC has to run through unity first ^^
bright harness
oh, ok i do have unity but i never used it
rigid crescent
Yeah basically gotta learn using a guide.
I've been meaning to make s world, but I'll probably just mash some mmd stages together.
E z
bright harness
do i have to make my own 3d models?
split plank
I'm currently trying to build my own world... it's fun, but also quite hard if you kind of want to make a thing perfect where you don't have any Idea on how to do it xD
bright harness
or use someone's else models : D
split plank
it you're talking about avatars: you can create your own avatars from scratch, if you know what you're doing, you can use MMD models (requires blender and knowledge there) or just use models from RANDOM WEBSITE HERE, where most of them you can just load into unity and upload
(hope that's correct)
creating one from scratch without knowledge is almost impossible xD
bright harness
woah! that is a lot of work. (i think i'm gonna finish my world in a 2 to 3 years)
split plank
for avatar creation from MMD there's a tutorial on youtube from the man, the one and only TUPPER himself, might want to check it out ^^
rigid crescent
That's Tupper' s video isn't it?
split plank
on world creation, there are a couple good ones as well from the community
Edit: Cough!
rigid crescent
Yeah if you mean the painfully long but extremely informative one
But even that's outdated, still has some relevancy though
I'd just find a more recent one honestly.
split plank
for the base knowledge it's enough
bright harness
ok, i'm off now, see ya
split plank
OR, you can just watch a VOD of shonzo on twitch, because it's basically what keeps him alive xD
good night rayen
rigid crescent
Lol that guy
vocal shard
@split plank btw that website shouldnt be mentionned here
bright harness
what website?
split plank
oh? sorry, I didn't say anything then... gonna replace it
rigid crescent
Love the VOD of him complaining about a technique being dumb, then doing it and realizing it works. Favorite.
vocal shard
gib vod
rigid crescent
10/10
split plank
kay, replaced it xD
rigid crescent
It's an oldie now, lemme see.
vocal shard
ty
split plank
didn't know about that honestly, thanks for letting me know ^^
split plank
seems like it ^^ welp, I did bot's work in that case :P
rigid crescent
Oof it's gone, I think. Twitch mobile app isn't polite.
I'll check when I get home though. One is a clip and the other is a vod
vocal shard
arent VOD deleted after 40 days ?
split plank
well, I guess almost every stream he starts with a new avatar...
he doesn't say what exactly he's doing, but you have to take a close look on what happens, and the result of it ^^
bright harness
do i need unity to make avatars?
vocal shard
yes
bright harness
ok.
rigid crescent
You're better off watching tutorials than an experienced person making avatars on the fly, especially for the basics.
opaque hawk
The VRChat website has the version of unity you need
vocal shard
It would be nice to have my own custom avatar, perhaps even enough so to make one
But sadly people will just rip it, & use it themselves
that barely happens
if you are some big shots and get some sort of special effects
people dont care
bright harness
i never made a 3d model/object.... 
split plank
I'm planning on creating one myself as soon as I have more time, together with finishing my map I have in mind
yep, rayen, I'm in a similar position, but it's kind of a leap of faith, just try it, you will fail, but you will learn ^^
rigid crescent
No one is gonna rip your model for use. They rip it to see people's dumb reactions to having their stolen asset made avatars ripped.
None of these mmd assets are ours, and that's what most avatars are. I doubt anyone wants your model lol
split plank
I guess they (I didn't assume a gender!) meant like ripping it off of game files, rather than off of other people
vocal shard
Using any preexisting or edited model (MMD or otherwise) and porting to VRChat doesn't make the model yours to protect 🤔
If they ripped your avatar from VRChat, they'd be ripping a rip, so...
rigid crescent
Yep, people done understand that
split plank
yeah, I guess so. (riping it from vrc would be hacking and banable, I guess)
bright harness
no one knows who made the avatar, so they don't know who to credit
rigid crescent
Yes they do.
vocal shard
Hell if they rip a model from VRChat, more than likely it's an inferior version due to polycount optimizations anyway 🙃
rigid crescent
Parts usually come from deviantart, the mmd community almost always credits.
vocal shard
Grab from original source: 48k polygons
Rip from VRChat: 28k polygons 🤷
bright harness
what if, you add watermark on your avatar! 
split plank
if you really want to be original, you would need to start the whole thing from scrath, including rigging texturizing by hand, modelling, animations, emotes....
opaque hawk
“Credit 3DCG”
vocal shard
Yeah, what Mic_Sounders said. MMD community is notorious for having credits available and simply refusing to give credits were due
rigid crescent
Then you look like a tool for having a watermark
vocal shard
That's the funny part, 3DCG isn't a modeler.
split plank
Rayen, those watermarks only show who uploaded it, not who created it if we're being serious here
bright harness
just kidding XD
opaque hawk
It’s a porn game lol
vocal shard
I love the "credit to original owners" taglines.
rigid crescent
Lol
split plank
yeah, it's so descriptive ainnms xD
bright harness
and they never do it themselves
vocal shard
Essentially "I want to pretend that I'm giving credit so people will get off my case, but at the same time I want people to think I did most of the work"
opaque hawk
Maybe we can credit in our pedestal images
rigid crescent
The list or credits is typically long
Base, hair, various clothing creators
Jewelry, etc
Your average avatar would have at least 5 or 6 people minimum to credit.
vocal shard
Assuming the model is edited, yeah
split plank
I mean, the only credit I take for my own models is bassically the re-colouring of my hair and the work in gimp to redesign the clothes, but the model itself is the work from someone else
vocal shard
5-6 is manageable. When you start editing models from parts, you're looking at adding 2-6 more names more often than not
split plank
(that I'm grateful that they shared it)
vocal shard
i made my model from like 8-9 parts
rigid crescent
Sometimes they don't go with the original model
split plank
don't forget som possible custom shader creators
rigid crescent
So you've got your model meshes and your textures and textures. Credits aren't really feasible. I'm not against us judt continually ripping models from DA, but being worried about your stolen, unoriginal "work" being stolen is dumb
vocal shard
it's more the shaders and animations that you make
split plank
yep..
I mean if you're actually doing stuff yourself, then you can be worried about it being stolen, but honestly, most of the work most of the people do is change colors, and add a small thing to a dome model, so the only ones who should be worried about stealing are the ones who upload it for usage ^^
vocal shard
In some cases the credits are:
Base (typically from a game)
Eye Texture (sometimes edited/replaced)
Outfit (assuming it's not in 2 or more parts, this is being generous)
Accessory (typically at least 1-2)
Hair (obviously 1 or recolored from original model)
Shoes (if not included in outfit/base)
Physics (not always provided)
Facials (typically part of the base, but generally it's provided from a separate person)
Rigging (if it's a game rip, it's more than likely re-rigged manually)
This doesn't even include alternative styles/further editing.
split plank
exactly ainn
vocal shard
- Some MMD models have modified/replaced hair textures.
split plank
but in the end we shouldn't really be complaining, most of us are using precreated stuff ^^
vocal shard
I'm gonna call this the "average credits list". It can be a lot more for a HQ model or less if the model is just a recolor of an existing character.
split plank
actually, if we wanted to be fair, we should create like a gesture where we can hold a paper with all the credits that respective model has
vocal shard
if all the parts that you used are heavily modified that nobody could even recognize the originals, can i complain if someone steal it ?
opaque hawk
On this subject. Is there a VRChat community dedicated to creating model parts and accessories for VRChat avatar creators?
vocal shard
i dont think so
maybe on the japanese side
Rooster Teeth (at first, unknowingly) used heavily modified TDA models and everyone complained, but it depends on your audience.
split plank
aka, there might be, but I'm unsure due to the community being active but not extremely big
opaque hawk
And Red vs blue
vocal shard
A lot these days
split plank
well, let's be honest, every model by now is a customized version of a base model somewhere...
rigid crescent
Not true
opaque hawk
Bases are a great thing to work from, and they offer lots of flexibility.
vocal shard
Some bases are free to use
rigid crescent
There's streamers with actual custom models, as well as non streamers.
Full custom.
opaque hawk
I’ve gotten lots of mileage off of 1 tda base
split plank
okay, then let's go with most of the models
vocal shard
Then there's Tda, which explicitly says not to use it outside of MMD. But, that went out the window a long time ago. Even Crypton Future Media (the company that has the most say behind the Tda license aside from Tda himself) has used the Tda model outside of MMD, soo.....
Most people use Tda.
split plank
but in creation of a game you create like a base male and base female model, or even only one androgyneous model and go from there for your characters
vocal shard
I don't know if VRC users are aware, but most of the MMD community uses Tda and VRC largely borrows from MMD practices
rigid crescent
I've used a Rin base for a while, but I've swapped to using a Luka head on various bases.
Yeah, that's one thing I think Tupper mentions in his video.
I've seen plenty of cute full custom robots, they're usually the easiest to make since you can get away with more sharp geometry, but there's some good full customs out there.
split plank
I actually take a look at the terms of the uploader before using it (even if I have to translate it most of the times first to understand)
rigid crescent
I mean i look at it, I just ignore it lol
split plank
because if they don't want it to be used in vrc, you shall not use it in vrc.
vocal shard
I have a commercial use license for a specific base model.
But you don't need a commercial use license to use it, only if you plan on monetizing it somewhere.
But for all intents and purposes, I "own my copy" of the model.
split plank
nah, I actually would have liked to use a lot of models i vrc, but yeah, they explicitly said "not for VRC" so I went by it ^^
rigid crescent
Yeah I ignore that, ususlly they don't have the full rights to say that anyway.
I doubt any part owner's want it uploaded to vrc, but the person mashing them together more often than not has no right to request that
split plank
well ainn, if I would ever get to a point where I COULD use a model comercially, I would learn how to build one myself
but then again, the question is, as soon as you're streaming, you're technically using an avatar comercially
rigid crescent
It seems fun to learn, I plan on learning to model a few parts of my own
fervent scroll
A good place to start is trying to build missing mesh from models
atleast it was for me
rigid crescent
I dont think thats true, because there would be more legal issues with streaming any gsme.
split plank
@rigid crescent I actually know people who create that stuff by hand, and they don't want it in vrc, so yeah, even if it's not sure, I respect it ^^
rigid crescent
Especially people with face camd that wear brand logos they're not sponsored by
split plank
well, just go like 2 years back, where nintendo basically took everyone to courst who dared to stream their games xD
vocal shard
http://fav.me/d9geixi This is the one. Free to use anywhere for any purpose (except for NSFW stuff). They commissioned someone to create the base and released it because of all the license restrictions Tda actually has. For example, Tda models being illegally ported to VRChat but not being enforced. It's not exactly a big problem these days, but it's not a bad idea to be legally protected and to look more unique. Legally speaking, this is the ideal MMD model base. There's also a reasonable variety of head/face edits that are ALSO available for free.
elfin cloak
i have seriouse probelm with web payer in every streaming live and non live youtube world for 7 months of playing...from time to time i can wach and isten in some of vrchat updates but that is like a wawe after wawe it all goes in circle i strongly beliece that is not the case of my W7 64 SP1 (UPDATED) case and i try literally everything to download youtube dll,clear cache and email to vrchat support and nothing happen the screen still stays in white and without any sound,but on some world i can copy paste youtube links and it works in limited times but if i try to wach more it repeats the old url and it want accept new youtube url. why is that happen and can someone help me somehow with this problem please
split plank
oh wow ainn, that's acutally an awesome post that would need to get pinned ^^ if I'd search for a nice female model, I'd use it ^^
vocal shard
I don't wanna flood the chat, but searching for "MissMMDBase Face" will pull up all the results
split plank
so thanks ^^
vocal shard
There's also a male body edit floating around on DeviantART too.
It follows the same terms as the rest of the original model.
Aka free to use
split plank
wait, I actually do, starting next week... xD so I will have to look at it, and pay them the credits xD so thanks for the link ^^
honestly, if they put up the work for something awesome, they should get payed for it
vocal shard
I'm considering becoming a Vtuber after I get a full body VR setup up and running. VRChat is PROBABLY the engine I'm going to be using and making content about. I plan to do this on a separate channel than the ones on my profile to keep things tidy/organized.
Honestly, that I can thank VRChat for. VRChat + VTuber is the perfect mix.
split plank
like a vrc streamer who puts up a huge amount of work to create an awesome RP thingie ^^
vocal shard
Hayl yeah.
split plank
I mean, it's basically the same as having a TV show in the end
vocal shard
That and VRChat Machinima
median basalt
Just don't delude yourself into thinking you're a "content creator" by walking around public instances with a camera on
Lol
vocal shard
VRChat Machinima is so ideal, that I'm shocked that I don't see a lot of it
But content creators walk around public areas with cameras all the time.
What do you mean?
rigid crescent
In gonna do a parody of those tiktok videos, but it's a normie meme so I dont expect many people to get it lol
You're not creating content you're just streaming it at that point lol
vocal shard
How to become a content creator without a camera.
split plank
vrc rp isn't that far away from free tv, you have someone who creates the mask (model) you have someone who creates the story, and all the actors playing it, as well holding the camera at the same time... ^^
median basalt
IMO you're not a "content creator" if you just watch other people's content and film it.
vocal shard
Streaming IS content creation 🤔
median basalt
Lol.
rigid crescent
Content creators, to me, are people who participate and write RPs, events, etc
Lol
median basalt
I've seen a streamer perform comedy routines in public. That's content creation.
median basalt
I've seen writers hold massive Danganronpa murder mysteries
vocal shard
1 + 1 = 2....
rigid crescent
No, you're literally just a broadcaster if you're just walking around with a camera
split plank
don't worry Rokk, I would never think that.... but honestly, you create conted, if wanted or not, soooo xD
vocal shard
What do you think that means?
median basalt
Watching a stormtrooper toucan pull a lightsaber out at you isn't creating content
split plank
you're a content creator, even if no one wants it xD
rigid crescent
You're a broadcaster at best if you're just filming people and profiting from it
rigid crescent
I mean nothing against people who do it, they found a market and got their money.
But its not content creation
vocal shard
Content creation is the contribution of information to any media and most especially to digital media for an end-user/audience in specific contexts.[1] Content is "something that is to be expressed through some medium, as speech, writing or any of various arts"[2] for self-expression, distribution, marketing and/or publication. Typical forms of content creation include maintaining and updating web sites, blogging, photography, videography, online commentary, the maintenance of social media accounts, and editing and distribution of digital media. A Pew survey described content creation as the creation of "the material people contribute to the online world."
I fail to see how VRChat Streamers aren't content creators.
median basalt
tl;dr
rigid crescent
Some are.
vocal shard
I'll give some slack, that it's not usually elaborate, but look at Vloggers.
Same deal.
rigid crescent
So if I go around filming street fights I'm s content creator? Lol
split plank
actually, we are now at a point where people on youtube and twitch create better contend than hollywood could ever do. maybe not animation wise, but surely story wise
vocal shard
Technically yeah.
median basalt
A friend of mine hosts a VR podcast that I sometimes co-host or appear as guest on. That's content creation. Filming other people isn't content creation IMO
vocal shard
Look at the definition lol
fervent scroll
vocal shard
Content creation is the contribution of information to any media and most especially to digital media for an end-user/audience in specific contexts.
rigid crescent
Vlogging is content creation. That's not the same as sitting in publics and watching others be funny.
median basalt
If your only claim to fame as "content creator" is watching other people have fun, then you'll just fall into the same endless void as any other dead-end VRC streamer.
safe prism
filming other people and making it mildly entertaining or thoughtful is content creation
safe prism
it's just first person
median basalt
Even if you're technically a content creator by any definition, that doesn't mean people will be interested, and that won't raise people's opinions of you either
safe prism
do gopro videos not count as content
vocal shard
Literally what okano is saying
rigid crescent
Depends on the type
safe prism
just because it's content doesn't mean it's good :D
median basalt
I can already tell you're gonna be one of those types of streamers
vocal shard
Being a different medium doesn't mean it's not a medium to begin with.
rigid crescent
Yep.
vocal shard
I hold myself to a standard, so I'm not gonna be lazy about making content.
Running around with a camera is considerably lazy if you don't have something planned out. Some people have a plan with no script, and others have a script with a flexible plan. Me? Script + Plan, please.
split plank
yeah rokk, only taking other peoples work and basically talking over it isn't really work, but if you're actually doing something in a scene, if you planned it out or not, is creating that situation, therefore you're creating content
react videos arent content creation IMO, they're like content recycling
vocal shard
As much as I don't like it personally, WorldStarHipHop is a content creator by definition.
safe prism
platform
vocal shard
It's definitely not my cup of tea, but a definition is what it is.
I can agree with that, vect9r
I don't mind for the "commentator community" or the "react community".
rigid crescent
So you're going for the "well TECHNICALLY I'm a content creator because of the definition of content creator despite not actually creating resl content" route? Lol
vocal shard
I think they're a waste of bandwidth and server space, but meh.
safe prism
gonna say, if you wanna do something like this, just go do it.
make compelling content
nothing is stopping you
vocal shard
What's technical about it?
It's very literal.
And, define "real content".
Gamers create "real content" using fake videogame worlds/engines.
Look at Game Grumps.
fervent scroll
Seeking the opinions for your own justification will probably just leave you in a loop here forever
rigid crescent
Content you actually were involved with creating.
vocal shard
They're a great example of content creators.
rigid crescent
Yes, game grumps are comedians.
vocal shard
They hold themselves to a standard.
rigid crescent
Lol a standard
vocal shard
That's what makes them worth watching. If Game Grumps was as unplanned as most VRChat videos, nobody would give a fuck.
safe prism
not true
rigid crescent
They're usually unplanned. They sit and play a game and be funny...
What's planned abouy that
safe prism
^
also see the current variety streamer tops
like
they create compelling content from nothing
rigid crescent
And how are rape jokes and racist caricatures a high standard? Keep in mind I uses to love watching gsme grumps and thought those jokes were hilarious, but that's not s very high standard
rigid crescent
So you includes that sentence for no reason.
vocal shard
But they're definitely content creators.
rigid crescent
Everyone holds themselves to a standard. Their own standard.
vocal shard
^
safe prism
i don't understand where this is going
vocal shard
Markiplier has a standard.
fervent scroll
yeah same
safe prism
go make stuff
fervent scroll
its fun to watch though
rigid crescent
That's just superfluous to mention it unless you mean a specific type lol
vocal shard
PewDewPie has a different standard.
safe prism
go make stuff
vocal shard
Fred Figglehorn had a standard.
safe prism
talking about others making stuff isn't making stuff
rigid crescent
Ok so why say they have a standard as if it means something when everyone has a standard lol
vocal shard
I don't even like these guys
but I can still vouch for what they are.
No "technical" definitions needed.
rigid crescent
They're different than what we're talking about by far.
vocal shard
They're content creators.
rigid crescent
There are streamers that just watch other people be funny.
safe prism
why does this label matter
vocal shard
But I'm not sure you understand WHY they're content creators.
vocal shard
Typical VRChat videos aren't the highest caliber stuff, but is it stuff?
You get a Standard *!*And you get a Standard *!*Everybody gets a Standard !!!
rigid crescent
Because of a poorly labeled definition, yes.
vocal shard
A definition is what it is.
rigid crescent
They are content creators, by definition of the phrase. They do not actuslly create content.
vocal shard
If you don't like it, take that up with the rest of the internet. Go sign a petition or something lmao
rigid crescent
So what do I call them? Content creators that don't create content? Lol
safe prism
i'm a content creator but i don't care about that title. i'm a shoutcaster sometimes, a chill creative streamer other times. there's not a lot of like.. reason to be under the umbrella unless you're just really lazy. everyone can be one. not everyone can make compelling content. go make compelling content.
vocal shard
Remind me who "them" is again 🤔
fervent scroll
2018 folks
vocal shard
They are more like advertisers and Critics than content creators...
fervent scroll
👏
rigid crescent
Off the top I'd my head, roflgator unless that's changed.
vocal shard
How can someone be a content creator if they don't create content?
They are content creators, by definition of the phrase. They do not actuslly create content.
How is this even possible lmao
rigid crescent
Because by definition they are content creators due to uploading videos.
But they did not create actual content.
vocal shard
Okay, define "actual content".
So (Free) Advertisers, Critics, Real-time Broadcasters and Reporters count as content creators 🤔
I'll hear this.
rigid crescent
Creating something. Not just recording someone do something.
vocal shard
Also... We might be getting ruuubwhipped
fervent scroll
are these facts or personal views?
vocal shard
I guess the News isn't content creation either.
rigid crescent
If I sit in a pug and watch people rp, im not creating content. I'm just broadcasting someone's else's.
vocal shard
Literally what Hibby said
CNN, BBC, Fox News aren't content creators according to Mic
ok
rigid crescent
Uhh the news isn't the same either. Reporters are involved.
They report on events correct? They're involved.
vocal shard
But they're "just broadcasting someone elses"
rigid crescent
They don't just sit and point the camera at a building on fire.
vocal shard
Reporters talk and add context to the footage, yes?
vocal shard
Right.
rigid crescent
Ok, so that's not what I'm talking about lol
vocal shard
So what's the difference between a Reporter talking about a situation and a VRChat user doing the same exact thing?
fervent scroll
im actually curious to see how this ends
vocal shard
basically why I hate the term content creator for most vrchat YouTubers/streamers
If they were acting out things, Makin skits and such, yeah... But funny clip videos... Not really
I mean, I understand what he's saying, and I'm open to a new insight.
Nothing bad with that, just the name
vocal shard
Personally, I'm only okay with the title "Content Creator" because I make music and animations. It's a labor of love there, but I see VRChat as a lazy way out.
As is.
I hope to change that, even
Could we just call YouTubers, Streamers, News etc Content sharer's or something like that
Okay Rokk, feel free to change my mind.
median basalt
A lot of streamers sit in the Pug and watch other people do funny stuff, which is a major reason I don't like streamers
vocal shard
Do explain, Rokk. 🍿
rigid crescent
Or just call them youtubers and streamers lol
vocal shard
I agree with that.
rigid crescent
That's pretty self explanatory
median basalt
I also remember an instance where I was just hanging with friends
And then this streamer came in and screamed "OMG THAT WAS SO FUNNY CAN YOU DO IT AGAIN FOR MY STREAM?!?!?!"
rigid crescent
Me being funny is content. I created the content by being funny.
vocal shard
I dont know who any streamers are really... Lol
rigid crescent
You just recorded and distributed it
median basalt
And basically pulled half of us away into a new instance
vocal shard
Trendy YouTubers tend to do that as well, so I'm pretty non-mainstream.
median basalt
Never heard of him
vocal shard
Well, if I ever see that name, I'll stay away
rigid crescent
He's one thata been shoved in my face sadly
fervent scroll
vocal shard
What the heckken is that emoji
fervent scroll
is it over?
vocal shard
Jamie, what is that thing
,,,,,⟨\ /⟩
(っOω0)っ
wny one wanna play vrchat? dm meh
owo wat's this?
O.o mine?
@vocal shard one of the models of his ingame avatar...
OHHHH now I see it
median basalt
I have like two friends that are friends with Jameskii, a lot of times when I try to join on them I just get kicked to a new empty instance because I hit the instance's hard cap
Which would mean 40 people in the Pug
median basalt
40 people in any instance sounds like low framerate hell tbh
fervent scroll
Well guess its over, i was fully invested in some kinda climatic ending
what a let down.
now I'll never know what real content is.
vocal shard
🤔
PLOT TWIST: FAKE NEWS = CONTENT CREATION
jk
Ainn... On what are you viewing this discord server right now 🤔
Discord PTB on Desktop. I'm zoomed out slightly though
That's Purposely Misinformed Content Sharing=Fake News
That zoom-out must be causing some kind of blur
It could be my monitor
But tf do I know with my random assumptions...
It could be caused by anything
I'm using a TV as a monitor
Because I don't feel like forking out for a new "HD Display" when my "HD TV" does almost the same thing and I already own it
Only if I got a bigger display would I even bother
Huh... Neat
Soo... You are writing with a TV remote right now*?*
I'll take that silence as a no
rigid crescent
i used to use my TV when I was too cheap to buy a monitor, that was a while bback though
i really only used my computer to play League and watch anime back then though, so it was honestly fine
vocal shard
I have a desktop plugged into my TV via HDMI
I was posting in the avatars-mmd chat about the base I mentioned earlier
opaque hawk
Thanks for sharing Ainn
jolly pelican
anyone know what ever happened to playmaker?
jolly pelican
i see
Is there any documentation on how to make a death match system similar to capture the flag for a vrchat world? I understand the person who made the Murder! map has somehow implemented death, guns and the like..
rigid crescent
probably the same way CTF does it I would imagine
except without respawning into the gun room
i think there was a guide on how to do a CTF style map, but i cant seem to find it now
rofl that was another game my bad
vocal shard
Oooooh that would be a dream
Imagine a dense forest with places to hide, multiple paths to check for sneaky players, a few chokepoints and terrain... Could make for an awesome map. Of course, a dense forest might not be needed lol
idle elm
42
indigo fern
🤔
plush osprey
How many hours do u have in the game?
opaque hawk
350 I think
fervent scroll
wait playmaker was scrapped?
median basalt
Yes
vocal shard
the group of world builders who were testing it decided it sucks
vocal shard
I think it's a wise move to make a much more powerful vrc oriented visual scripting system
fervent scroll
Is that whats happening?
vocal shard
yes, it's a node based editor that gives you much more exposed unity components and logic options
quaint hill
Hey, quick question for all my VR chat streamers out there who have oculus
I’m trying to set up the first person stream window,, it’s just that the picture is very zoomed up… What can I do to fix it?
It’s not the stream camera I need help with, it’s the actual point of view perspective of the window itself… It’s all zoomed in, what do I do?
.
pls @ me xD
median basalt
World reviews are inconsistent as always
There's still "lag-free worlds" going public
indigo fern
rigid crescent
at least we keep seeing this gem "Some avatars are optimized, but others have an abusive amount of dynamic bones, materials, and meshes. Please optimize the remainder."
"Avatars have a large number of materials and a huge amount of Dynamic Bones. Very unoptimized. Please atlas before exporting for use in VRChat, and limit your use of Dynamic Bones to 30-50 transforms maximum. Additionally, do not use Dynamic Bone colliders (and if you do, limit them to 1 maximum)"
ooooh fuck
just flat out "no colliders pls"
opaque hawk
Wait how can I touch my ears then?
opaque hawk
Like I have that on public world avatars
rigid crescent
I guess it makes sense, less people will go through the effort of doing it themselves vs grabbing a world one, but there's also the "Avatars you want for vr" world that has touchable stuff
maybe they're working on stopping new ones and reviewing old worlds
opaque hawk
Maybe
rigid crescent
"10/18/2018 6:47:40 FRIEND GROUP BOX LAG FREE
Performance Issue
World is not lag-free."
opaque hawk
I’ll keep doing what I’m doing. I don’t think I’m the reason the rule was made, but Ill stop if I’m asked
Lol mic
rigid crescent
I doubt it was any one person, colliders just cause a lot of issues
opaque hawk
Thank goodness for the great world creators here. They have always been incredibly helpful
verbal belfry
!cache
opaque hawk
!cleancache
floral flaxBOT
You can clean cache by deleting everything within C:\Users\%Username%\AppData\LocalLow\VRChat\vrchat apart from output_log.txt and config.json if you have them
rigid crescent
217
10/17/2018 16:14:37 ~ Most Optimized World In VRChat ~ Other doesn't look like most optimized world in vrchat
opaque hawk
As soon as you use real-time lighting you already forfeited the title of lag free
sterile drift
Lightmap textures though 👌
opaque hawk
I joke, but there have been exceptions
sterile drift
How to make non-laggy realtime light
opaque hawk
If you are making a world feel free to use real-time lighting early in development. Just don’t publish with it
sterile drift
@rigid crescent Send me the documentation for these
I wanna see this sass the devs are denying these worlds with lol
opaque hawk
It should be pined in worlds
sterile drift
I'll look there then
rigid crescent
opaque hawk
Look for the public request doc
rigid crescent
now we just have to start yeeting that world with the full body avatars people use to dance with that has cloth hair, skirts, and colliders on the legs and probably head
all lag will disappear overnight
sterile drift
lol
rigid crescent
"don't have any colliders" sets a scary precedent for world declining though, not that I mind since I don't even use them on my personal avatar any more
median basalt
Yeah, that fullbody avatar world gives me aids
So much cloth and dynamic bone
FPS always drops when I'm with those people
rigid crescent
I genuinely hope they just get rid of it, they're just too popular for how unoptimized they are and need to be redone
sterile drift
I barely use Dynamic Bones at all, though even if I do, it's usually for something really small, and even then I don't really put colliders on anything.
I just have the script at the ready if I so need it.
opaque hawk
I use it a lot. I really don’t like having static hair and tails. Specifically hair longer than shoulder length
opaque hawk
Lol
opaque hawk
We are in the same boat no worries
sterile drift
MMD/PMX models do not really follow the rule of optimization
They're meant for animation
Not for use in a game
rigid crescent
yeah, they're just meant to be rendered in mmd
they're fairly easy to optimize though
sterile drift
Yea but
Think of how few people actually DO optimize their models in VRC
I'm not saying I don't fall in the same boat
rotund mountain
Well optimizing is only a good thing when you have a big world. It's not a problem to wear an unoptimized avatar if you are only 2 or 3 in a world.
opaque hawk
Yes, I literally just optimized a part from DeviantArt and reposted it on DeviantArt with 1/12 the polys
sterile drift
lol
rigid crescent
That's the issue with public world avatars not being optimized imo
opaque hawk
I see that part literally every time I’m on VRChat
rigid crescent
it's not just 2 or 3 people in a world since dozens are getting them from the popular worlds
sterile drift
Yea
rigid crescent
popular worlds are the worst offenders, not because they're worse than everyone else, but because the most popular ones are usually really bad
median basalt
I always make extra sure that my public avatars are optimized
rigid crescent
and also have a ton of people using it
median basalt
Kinda pains me that people aren't taking responsibility for the worlds they put out
And uploading stuff with 40+ materials
sterile drift
Yea I know you're really good with that Rokk
opaque hawk
So here comes the million dollar question. What can we do to change that?
median basalt
I'm not even that great at optimizing, I just atlas
rigid crescent
shut down more worlds duh
median basalt
Dynamic bone is something I gotta work on
Yep
Just start yeeting worlds that are unoptimized.
Don't just warn them.
rigid crescent
It would help to have more guides on importing even a basic MMD and how and why you should optimize, not just "its laggy"
sterile drift
"Oh unoptimized avatars? Ye'r gone."
median basalt
The SDK needs to show material and dynamic bone counts
And should start warning about them too
My first avatar was 117 meshes, the SDK told me it was fine because it's only 6k polys.
sterile drift
Yea
opaque hawk
Upvote my canny post on that matter
rigid crescent
lol
sterile drift
ROKK WHAT
median basalt
Yeah
indigo fern
median basalt
It was an Ace Attorney game rip
vocal shard
jesus why?
median basalt
Every single loose part was a separate mesh, and then twice that since I also wanted the mesh outlines.
vocal shard
that goes against every beginner tutorial
vocal shard
everybody says you should join into one body mesh
median basalt
Well, the SDK didn't
vocal shard
you knew that was cancer lol
median basalt
And I wasn't doing MMD's so Tupper's tutorial didn't help
sterile drift
lol
vocal shard
117 ...
sterile drift
Also my internet's trash rn
vocal shard
hats off sir 😊
rigid crescent
It's a good vid to watch but you cant assume everyone has
sterile drift
All of a sudden
median basalt
I mean roll eyes all you want
If you're a beginner and porting a random model
You're not gonna port a model using a tutorial that says "how to get MMD into VRC"
rigid crescent
I see "JOIN YOUR MESHES!111!!" but never the importance of doing it. Why should I bother? does it really cause lag? how? why?
sterile drift
Drawcalls
median basalt
Mesh renderers have some extra overhead
rigid crescent
I personally know that.
median basalt
But the real bad thing happens when you have the same material spread across multiple meshes
warm turtle
mesh*materials= drawcalls
median basalt
I only had 6 unique materials
But because they were spread over 117 meshes, that was 117 drawcalls
sterile drift
Yep
vocal shard
it's not just the drawcalls, it's a ton of stuff under the hood
idle elm
That's more than that back storage room you hate.
indigo fern
vocal shard
lol
sterile drift
I remember when I first imported a Xenoblade 1 model that I didn't join the meshes
rigid crescent
oh god nintendo models
sterile drift
It was like 32 or something
rigid crescent
all the meshes
median basalt
Yeah, mine was a 3DS model as well
I didn't know much about optimization back then
Of course, I did the right thing and fixed it
When I learned about it
The SDK needs to educate people on what is and isn't optimized
vocal shard
median basalt
Especially with avatars that are gonna be roaming around in almost every world
rigid crescent
wow that's a very specific meme
median basalt
You can leave a laggy world and never bother with it again
sterile drift
@rigid crescent I think the fact that it's the way the models were yoinked that separated the material points to separate meshes.
median basalt
@vocal shard lmao
rigid crescent
yeah a lot of ripped models are like that from what I've seen
unless someone bothered to join it before hosting it
median basalt
Actually I'm pretty sure those 117 drawcalls would only get way worse in the realtime lighting
opaque hawk
No I come to expect if I see blurry textures, I know it’s optimized
median basalt
That's my main gripe with realtime/mixed lights in worlds, people use them and then blame the avatars
opaque hawk
On clearly mmd stuff
sterile drift
I BLAME THE AVATARS
median basalt
Blurry textures are a thing of the past with the new atlasing tools
sterile drift
NOT MY OWN WORLD
median basalt
@sterile drift that's true in your case
sterile drift
Wait what?
median basalt
Since your world can't be that many drawcalls
sterile drift
Ehh it isn't
rigid crescent
I genuinely see no point in realtime lighting in worlds meant to have a bunch of people in them
median basalt
Yeah, same
sterile drift
Actually rokk
opaque hawk
No because unity still brings it down to 2k
rigid crescent
Horror maps, sure. They're usually meant for small groups
median basalt
@opaque hawk unless you set it to import higher which most people do
rigid crescent
but doesn't the Murder map have it?
warm turtle
because its stupidly hard to bake massive worlds
median basalt
Yes
vocal shard
dynamic bones scripts on each bone, dynamic bone colliders on each finger 😝
rigid crescent
and it has a 10 player cap, though plenty more than that play sometimes
median basalt
Maps like murder somehow get all the laggy issues
warm turtle
actually I don't understand why murder isn't baked
median basalt
If you're making a hangout with 20+ people you shouldn't be using realtime or mixed at all IMO
@warm turtle probably laziness or lack of knowledge
rigid crescent
Like, what's the thought process? What makes a person use real time lighting?
median basalt
Usually they just don't know about baked
rigid crescent
It has to be lack of knowledge, there's no reason you'd want your map to be laggy.
median basalt
I think murder could be a lot more fun if at least the environment was baked
Baked lighting also looks far better
warm turtle
atmosphere and a bunch of other factors
rigid crescent
They knew enough to make that map, which seems pretty complicated to be honest, it's odd that this was overlooked
vocal shard
you're gonna want realtime shadows though
median basalt
Mixed lights can work well if used responsibly
warm turtle
it really depends at the end of the day
for the case of murder, baked would have worked well
or
vocal shard
just don't use realtime GI, up to 8 realtime lights can be fine
opaque hawk
You want at least 1 mixed light. Everything else can bake
rigid crescent
man I'll bake it for him smh
rigid crescent
I'd leave my PC on overnight and bake it for him and send it back, e z
opaque hawk
I can confirm that baking sucks
median basalt
Baking didn't take that long for me but my world is simple
If you have tons of objects it'll take a while
opaque hawk
Though once I found out that some assets I bought had .01 real-time emission on by default. My baking time shrunk
vocal shard
How does somebody get demoted in vrchat from a trusted user to a known user
rigid crescent
ranks fluctuate
vocal shard
Ok ok thx
drowsy tulip
Can't seem to upload an avatar right now, anyone else?
sterile drift
@drowsy tulip Were you able to upload avatars before?
drowsy tulip
Yep
sterile drift
Haven't tried uploading anything as of late at the moment
drowsy tulip
Asset bundle upload failed
true sky
only thing is retry to submit the avatar again
tall ingot
Has anybody who plays this game regularly used more than one vr system?
vocal shard
Meaning, just having experience using different ones?
tall ingot
Yes
vocal shard
I've use the oculus rift, and windows mixed reality
opaque hawk
I’ve tried just about everything through GDC and other tradeshows
tall ingot
Lately I guess there was an update to oculus with that dash thing and I had thought that I switched to beta and for some reason I can switch back. I only did beta so I can switch off the grid in the guardian system walls. But in beta i feel like my computer runs slower with vrchat running as well. I
Will talk later; battery low
lucid jay
So i have a problem. i am stuck at 10frames in VR and Desktop mode
its all other games are fine its just VRChat
and i have tried everything.
lime umbra
Does your avatar have a lot of particles or a high texture?
lucid jay
Nope. its just VRchat.
tall ingot
Your frames go low too? Lately vrchat has been running rougher for me lately. And i wasn't sure if it was oculus or perhaps there was another update to the social app
ruby needle
are your drivers up to date? 
lucid jay
Yes.
tall ingot
I was in a midnight moonlit house world and even after i turned off thr mirror and stayed on the roof where at first I had decent frames my framerate will just gradually lower until it's unbearable; I could hardly sign; I couldn't tell if anybody could see what I was doing
lucid jay
i have more then a good computer to run it. even though it runs on a single core
ruby needle
It does not run on a single core. 😃
vocal shard
^
tall ingot
All these problems got me wonderinf if it would be any different if I had a vive instead; I hear that when using vive only steam vr and whatever game youre running is on the task bar
neon flume
The vive in general has less overhead. The lighthouse method of tracking require less computation than Oculus's IR cameras. I don't know what the impact of core 2.0 itself is though, I've been running the beta since I got my rift.
ruby needle
im not sure if it is less computative generally but with the vive the hardware does track it self and basically send just the coordinate data, while with oculus the pc does the calcualtions.
you could just as well make that via hardware but... well 
Correct me if im wrong
sterile drift
VRChat does not run on a single core. Honestly how this misinformation spread is beyond me, but it really doesn't.
ruby needle
people tentd to asmune because one thing is A that the other is B
for example: The loading screen that says Dont do NSFW in public, you'll get banned.
neon flume
Yeah now that I think about it I'm not sure, I've never benchmarked it (I wish I had a vive to test with). My assumption is that the cv the oculus is doing would be more difficult than the timing performed by the vive's trackers but looking it up now I can't find anything to back that assumption up.
ruby needle
no where do they say its allowed at all
vocal shard
Its never B, always guess C
ruby needle
but thats what most users make up out of it.
even tho that the TOS / Guidelines are absolutely clear
So when they hear it's mainly bound by the main cpu thread they asume its single core
which is just wrong
¯_(ツ)_/¯
neon flume
Yeah, my poor quad core is almost always maxed out in a full pug. That's definitely multithreaded.
ruby needle
if you're in VR the other VR things also utilise the CPU and ofc your system is also running
so even if some performance critical thigns are still tied to the main thread multiple cores can still utilised by the other things
tall ingot
Oh yeah, that makes sense. I just wondered since the vive doesn't have it's own app running that it would mean my pc would run better bc there are less things running
rough pulsar
The vive does have its own thing running, it's called SteamVR. 😛
ruby needle
There is that thing called OpenComposite which is kind of replacing the standart SteamVR and any non important parts and forwards to the oculus directly which does help with that
ofc you loose any Steam VR features
but thats a given 
i've been on it for a nearly a month i guess and so far im happy.
unfortunate for me is that the audio routing does not work 100% for me yet (at least with vrchat) which means ill manually have to route my audio to the rift and desktop (recording on separate PC and send of trough main out)
But thats a rather special szenario
still waiting for the promised native Oculus re-release for this year 
tacit plank
MelancholoyNeko, a few users have had that issue. One of my friends has it now and then but it's not permanent in her case.
Sadly, I don't know how to solve it, but I can at least confirm that it's a thing
(Being limited to 10FPS at all times, even when alone in a lag-free world)
ruby needle
"lag-free" 
yeah, it was some kind of steam bug
but im also not sure what the solution was 
tacit plank
By lag free I mean something like a plane floating in the air
So it's related to Steam? Interesting, maybe changing steamVR settings can help it?
I've seen it reported on here every few months, it's not a common issue but it really sucks for those that has it
rough pulsar
The only world that has any actual claim to the 'lag-free' name is the pure blue one by TCL.
rigid crescent
"Posters are too lewd, some show nudity. Overall not appropriate for public. Fine for private. "
The public world list say it's allowed though. @ruby needle
lime umbra
Does anyone know where to find the "pokemon snap xxx" Blaziken avatar (bikini version of course)? I tried rigging one myself since I couldnt find the room it would be in but it was way too much of a headache for someone whos only done avatar development for like 2 days.
tacit plank
Pure blue? So no skybox?
rigid crescent
oof
rough pulsar
@tacit plank when you spawn there's no anything. It's just you, and blue.
tacit plank
No collider?
rough pulsar
Just one box collider on the floor, no mesh, I believe.
tacit plank
Delta I found 16 other pokemon ones if that's any help?
Cool, that does sound like a fast world
Slow refresh rate, forced shadows off, custom render settings etc could make it actually improve performance with people that too
lime umbra
I looked in all the other pokemon worlds but it wasnt in any of them, i think its in a room with a bunch of other miscellaneous avatars too
rigid crescent
@ruby needle you also said it too. Who am i to trust if not moderators? https://puu.sh/BNQiK/555642917c.png
tacit plank
The guideline on the website says no nudity or sexually suggestive content
median basalt
VRC is mostly single-threaded though
rigid crescent
but multiple moderators are telling me it's ok to do in private...
It's a little confusing, and he said "nowhere does it say it's ok" when he flat out said it's tolerated
median basalt
All the CPU hogging shit can only run on the main thread for now, barring a few exceptions maybe. I'm not too knowledgeable on the subject
rigid crescent
and it says it's ok on the public world list, which i assume is run by moderators
tacit plank
So by the guideline's logic, 3 bandaids on a child avatar is fine for clothes
I'm sure mods wouldn't agree with me on that, though
median basalt
Rekt
rough pulsar
A general guideline is "Would this be acceptable at a regular beach?"
So a fairly revealing bikini? Sure.
Literal 2cm squares covering the essential bits? Mmmnaaaah
median basalt
Also lag-free worlds are apparently being allowed if you get the "right" reviewer that doesn't care
rigid crescent
Just pointing out that Fpaul is totally wrong lol
median basalt
Even if it's not lagfree at all
rigid crescent
"for example: The loading screen that says Dont do NSFW in public, you'll get banned. no where do they say its allowed at all"
tacit plank
I guess my point is, if the rules reflected what the staff thought a little better (or was consistent in the Discord, guidelines and ToS) I wouldn't have this grey area to think about
rigid crescent
Multiple sources, including tupper, say it's allowed. So "They" say it's allowed, assuming "they" mean mods
including Fpaul himself lol
tacit plank
So kid avatars can be nude? As seen on real beaches
rough pulsar
full on nudity is a no.
lime umbra
What kind of beaches do you go to?
tacit plank
Well, last one I went to was a lake, but yeah
rigid crescent
I mean if you wanna get technical there's certain cultures blah blah blah
but i know what you mean
true sky
@tacit plank i would probably report the user if they are doing that
tacit plank
Maybe some countries are different
true sky
thats just creepy
lime umbra
Europe
rigid crescent
When I ctrl+f the TOS, I see nothing mentioning "nudity" "sex/sexual" "nsfw" etc
ruby needle
one thing that a lot of people get wrong is that not only nudity or pornographic content can be NSFQ
rigid crescent
they might be using another adjective though
rough pulsar
I would also like to add while us discord mods tend to have a fairly decent understanding of the rules (I would hope) we're no authority on what is or isn't allowed.
That's down to those who do have moderation power inside VRC itself.
tacit plank
Website guidelines, search "nude"
rigid crescent
like Tupper, who also said it's ok
median basalt
I mean I'm not sure how much closer you can get, he's an admin
rigid crescent
oh i was under "legal"
median basalt
Problem is that moderation within the game and the Discord can be inconsistent
rough pulsar
VRChat has had a few unfortunately vague rules over the years.
median basalt
Just like the world review process
Whether worlds were marked as avatar world was solely up to how much the reviewer cared
rigid crescent
Just like how FPaul tried to point out that nowhere do they say it's ok despite multiple sources, including himself and Tupper and probably other Admin I didn't bother looking up, saying it's ok
tacit plank
"We can do anything we want, you don't have any rights, you grant us every permission we can legally get" etc etc
true sky
"Don't post anything which anyone can find offensive"
There is something someone will find offensive or claim it to be offensive
tacit plank
Like every other ToS, which isn't really legally binding for the most part anyways
rough pulsar
The best one was "Nothing illegal, in any country, anywhere"
tacit plank
That's a poor rule
rough pulsar
I really hope that one got properly reworded.
rigid crescent
LOL
tacit plank
It's funny, because the rules conflict
rigid crescent
did craig the intern write that up?
ruby needle
@rigid crescent cus i havent seen anyone saying its allowed
¯_(ツ)_/¯
and the TOS to me is very clear
tacit plank
You can't show skin or be gay, that's illegal in the middle east. You can't descriminate against homosexuals, that's illegal in the first world
tacit plank
The ToS is clear to you? What the fuck? Have you really read any of it?
rigid crescent
But....Tupper said it's allowed. You said it's tolerated, which means it's allowed otherwise you'd just say don't do it
ruby needle
you mean the screenshot you posted right
rough pulsar
Okay thank fuck that one is gone. It was just so far reaching it was stupid.
tacit plank
That's good to hear
rigid crescent
also I was saying I couldn't see anything mentioning sex, nudity, etc in the TOS
with a few ctrl+f terms
true sky
some of the ToS is understandable but the nsfw is somewhat vague
ruby needle
the screenshot you posted is hopefully not the thing you mean with tuppoer allowing it
cus thats not what he is saying
rough pulsar
https://vrchat.com/community
Select Inappropriate Content
Literally mentions nudity.
ruby needle
yes
rough pulsar
Item 3
ruby needle
Nudity and Pronography
rigid crescent
oh, not the TOS, that's why I couldn't find it
tacit plank
Everything is subjective
lime umbra
Erp in vrchat honestly sounds pretty cringe
tacit plank
Which leaves a grey area
ruby needle
behaviour can also be NSFW not only naked avatars and similar and that should be allowed as long as it is in public
tacit plank
But that's better than being overly strict
rough pulsar
TOS are somewhat different as that's more on the legal side of it, informing you of what data is collected, what legal agreements are present, etc.
rigid crescent
so the community guidelines say you can't do it....but the VRChat Community Manager says I can.
ruby needle
show me where he said it 
rough pulsar
The screenshots posted earlier
rigid crescent
tacit plank
TOS is just a copy pasted version of a legally formatted "we want all rights that we can legally get, and we take as many rights from you as we legally can". A cover-all-bases thing
ruby needle
sure thing but where does he say that its allowd?
rigid crescent
lol
median basalt
Paul
ruby needle
oh
median basalt
I'm sorry but you are being very dense about this
ruby needle
that one is diferent
median basalt
"Go hog wild" is as close to "it's allowed" as you can get lol
rigid crescent
go hog-wild
phrase of hog-wild
informal•North American
act in an unrestrained manner.
please stop
lol
ruby needle
just saw this one https://puu.sh/BNQmU/27cca5e8d7.png
tacit plank
It's kind of allowed
median basalt
Realistically speaking, if you're in a private world they wouldn't even know
rigid crescent
oh i linked a second
tacit plank
As in, if you do it, nobody can or will blame you for it, as long as you don't share what you do
rigid crescent
you also say it's tolerated, though like you said you're chat mod
true sky
public = no nsfw allowed
private = go nsfw all you want
What i got soo far
tacit plank
They don't want you to admit to doing sexual things in private world, stream it or otherwise give VRChat a bad image (like second life has)
rough pulsar
If a loli is naked in the woods, and there's no mods around to see it, does it break the rules? 😜
tacit plank
Do anything you want as long as you don't harm VRChat by damaging its image or cause other players to have a bad time (or leave the game)
rigid crescent
I feel like I trust the official community manager with the cute anime girl more
ruby needle
Still depatable what NSFW means, naked? or just NSFW behaviour?
median basalt
Cirno isn't cute lol
tacit plank
It didn't the last time I tried it Gallium. That was a joke, I don't have a forest
median basalt
NSFW is a vague term
ruby needle
yes
true sky
NSFW = Not Safe For Work
tacit plank
"NSFW" originally stands for "Not safe for work"
median basalt
They can't start defining literally everything down to a T
tacit plank
I believe Reddit started it? It's a pretty new term
rigid crescent
the context of the conversation that screenshot is from is about avatars
median basalt
Nah, NSFW has been around as a term for ages
rigid crescent
tacit plank
People usually label things +15 or +18, the work thing started when everyday people browsed the web for fun
rigid crescent
so, in this context, we are referring ot NSFW imagery on an avatar
median basalt
I know a guy who accidentally had lewd geometry and lewd textures under the clothes, reviewers didn't notice or didn't care for months lmao
On a public avatar
ruby needle
Fair enogh
median basalt
Getting clapped seems mostly random
rigid crescent
Yeah my texture has it but it's not used at all, I just yeeted it to be sure
median basalt
Yeah same
tacit plank
One of my friends forgot to censor their model, but you need to move your head into it to see anything, and at that point it's your own fault
rigid crescent
So, according to the official community manager that didn't let me continue to listen in on his spotify session, NSFW avatars are OK
in private
ruby needle
Interesting to see him post that but i hope you also understand that i will stick to the TOS/Community guidlines 
tacit plank
Okay as in VRChat can't or won't stop you
rigid crescent
You also said it's tolerated though.
true sky
i think there should be a section in avatar menu to store your content warnings
rough pulsar
In case it's unclear, the content warnings in the SDK do nothing.
ruby needle
it is actually a leftover
tacit plank
They're unused. Could put them to work though
Like, any avatars containing such tags are forced private and will have their preview image replaced by a questionmark
true sky
i cant keep up how many times i accidently press a lewd avatar when meaning to select another avatar that was safe for work
rigid crescent
my question is why would I tag it if i wanted to be a douche
true sky
just an avatar i use in private worlds
rigid crescent
or is it more of a "well you had a chance to mark it private" kind of thing so that it's easier to ban people for it
instead of having incentive of letting them off with a warning
tacit plank
A concern I had before VRChar home was "what if I crash when using a lewd model? I will start in the pub with it"
ruby needle
can always use a launch code
ruby needle
or worst case if you dont know that
never heard of it
you could delete it
you could also clear your settings which would send you to the tutorial room that resets your avatar
lime umbra
Thats why i just keep my home set to my private home room
ruby needle
many solutions
median basalt
I always had my own world as home world since it's lag free
lime umbra
Not that i even have any lewd avatars, bit still a good idea in general
median basalt
Before home worlds I used launch options
rigid crescent
I think my home is STormy Cave, but recently I've been having to redownload my home every time I log in, even if it was already downloaded
median basalt
Yeah, if the cache is full it will simply fail to store anything more at all
rigid crescent
so I'll probably be back to the default home since it seems preloaded
median basalt
You could clear the cache maybe
tacit plank
Stormy cave updated a few times in the last few days
rigid crescent
Well, that's the thing, this happened even before when it was still 70mb
rigid crescent
I'd have to load it, and one day I even cleared cache and a few days later I had to redownload it every time
yeah, it didn't have a new version for a while there
tacit plank
Oh, probably a bug
I've heard others mention it actually
Btw did you try what Rokk said?
rigid crescent
yeah, first thing I did was clear cache, it's been doing it for a while now
at least a month or two
tacit plank
Ah
Stormy cave dev just told me that the bugs should be fixed now
No more re-uploads needed
vocal shard
why has no one made a warioware map in vrchat
still lark
Wait, how am I gonna get beta notifications if I can't talk in that channel! :(
covert chasm
You don't need to talk to read. :>
You can use the command in any channel I'm pretty sure
@still lark go ahead and be a guinea pig, give it a shot in here
still lark
.iam Open Beta
potent sableBOT
still lark
oh my
covert chasm
Yep, I got lazy and used a pretty common bot
Don't worry, that module won't be enabled 😛
rugged kestrel
So I have a problem where I will join a world that has people in it and I can’t see or here anyone and everything is in place.
covert chasm
Are you on the right version?
still lark
If you open up your quick menu, what does the build number say?
rugged kestrel
@still lark it’s build 636
still lark
Yeah, we're kinda on 642.
covert chasm
You need to update. Do you play using Steam?
rugged kestrel
Yeah
still lark
.iam Open Beta
potent sableBOT
covert chasm
noice
@rugged kestrel Your listing on Steam should look like this. If you're on a beta, you might have "[open-beta]" to the right of the text, or something.
If you DO have extra text to the side, right click on VRChat, go to Properties, go to Beta tab, and set it to None.
covert chasm
yeah, since Discord doesn't let me limit who is allowed to mention a role (add MY feature, dammit, not all these other ones), it gives you read-only access to a channel that I'll ping for notifications.
civic plume
i cant upload i keep getting this error?
rugged kestrel
Ok thanks! I thought there was something wrong with my computer... again
ruby needle
oh nice
still lark
Read only huh? 😉
thorny lark
.iam Open Beta
potent sableBOT
potent sableBOT
still lark
Should work in any channel yeah? should probably tell people to use #general-media for now
covert chasm
hmmm
golden bluff
.iam Open Beta
potent sableBOT
covert chasm
maybe a botspam channel
ruby needle
im not sure if you do need a specific channel tho? you yould just make the role pingable
and ping em on a info update
covert chasm
Yes, but then anyone can ping that role.
lilac swan
still lark
@ruby needle Read what he said
golden bluff
Speaking of open beta what was that open beta push last night?
covert chasm
A small test
golden bluff
Oh
covert chasm
nothing significant
still lark
Exactly
covert chasm
I've asked for that feature for over a year
on every stream and Q&A tweet and etc
they always ignore it 
So instead I decided to hack together this solution
test successful i assume?
golden bluff
Works
still lark
Yes
civic plume
tupper do you own vrchat? 
still lark
wot
civic plume
owo
vagrant parrot
my dad is discord
still lark
@modern sand You troll.
civic plume
i have been trying since last night
modern sand
spooked ya
civic plume
ah ok