#vrchat-general-2
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On the Rift or WMR, starting any program that needs SteamVR should automatically try to launch it.
can also make a tiny steamvr/openvr app to launch it for you if you're.. uh.. that's a terrible idea :D
"browsing incognito"
You can open VRChat from oculus dash as well
No need to start steam
Oculus dash tries to pretend SteamVR games are native titles now
Maybe one day Big Picture will pretend that it never existed and we can just use normal mode
Just installed a 1080ti and now my VRChat runs at 9 FPS on desktop but perfectly fine in VR mode, anyone know the cause/fix for this?
when I open task manager it isn't using any resources at all so it seems like a FPS lock
your main monitor is plugged into your GPU and not your motherboard, right?
correct
I don't think it's running on the iGPU tho
my 8 year old ThinkPad can at least run the loading screen at 60 FPS
GPU drivers installed? possibly reinstall them?
I'll try a reinstall
Need.more jumpscare world like hortor darkness world
I used to get the 9fps thing on desktop every so often. It would consistently open that way no matter how many times I restarted then it suddenly worked
yeah a reinstall did nothing
F
oh I figured it out
it happens if you don't have any audio devices plugged it
Weird, but I’m intrigued
I got the wireless adapter so the vive headphones aren't connected while it's off
0_o
THICC
keeps saying feet are below origin point even though i raised the avatar in rigging screen
help
i need to let the world see this
no
maybe not
maybe yes
not enough people cater to the more niche xenophiles in vrc
its mostly furry characters or centuars
sometimes you need the extra thicc monstoristy
I have yet to see a centaur but okay
centaurs are pretty rare but there's a world with them i think
oh wait I'm thinking harpies and naga
I just made a scylla
Anyone know how long it usually takes support to get around to answering tickets? I literally can't play VRChat at all atm, it crashes as soon as the game loads a world for me, doesn't matter how many people are in the room or not. I'm using Oculus with a I7 7300 and GTX 1060 6gb Max Q Design, it's a smaller gaming laptop, I never use to have very many crashing issues and now it's just plain unplayable.
If I see a horrific thigh monster I know who to blame
can someone just remind me of the vrchat overrides?
the parameters for the app
nvm gottem
Is there a max of people you can add on a VRChat friends list? And if you add someone, does it randomly delete someone else if you reach that max? Asking for a friend.
I know someone who has over 900 friends so idk
He wants to know if its confirmed or not from devs.
I don't think the devs have ever said whether or not there is a limit
thicette working splendidly
also
why does nobody mention the fact using the d3dx9 launch option can crash your game on an igpu system?
or the fact you can use -force-d3d10 as a flag despite it not being listed due to "Skipping a few on the table that run on 10.x runtime, Not useful..."
-force-d3d9 also crashes my game with a critical error constantly, unable to create runtime library
cus, you are not supposed to use them anyway? 
and its all your own trial and error stuff
Rin, whta ARE you tryna do? lol
Rin doing Rin things 
hallo why Loli's Avatar World is not available anymore?
Hello, like many times this Discord is not for support 
If you have not updated it (in which case it will not be public untill you resubmitt it and it gets aproved again) then you propably had something on it that isnt completely fine with the rules.
FPaul it's probably not his world
In that case, Likely getting updated.
NPF, like Paul said, the world is likely down for updates.
If you still have the World ID you might be able to join of that while it's in re publishing process
you'd need to create a join link from outside the game for that tho
yeah i know but he tought that that world is mine and that i wounder why is haha my world is not in public yet
but thanks for trying to convince me and ty for help
Hmm... He forgot that it is his world?
idk but thanks anyway
You CAN make a join link, but you can also make a steam launch setting to shove you in that world
ty
Just a quick question how "lewd" may a avater be?
does anyone have some sort of reference
As lewd as you want in private worlds
There's not really any definable line. Just got to use your best judgement.
It can go from an anime succubus avatar wearing [REDACTED] clothing to an avatar that is wearing clothing that doesn‘t cover the [DATA EXPUNGED]
There's no magic algorithm designed to seek out lewdness, so ultimately it's based on reports, and what people would feel the need to report.
Avoid any nude/lewd avatar preview icons. Avoid being recorded/streamed going over the top. And keep it toward more private audiences.
As long as you follow those, you're probably fine.
yeah the odds of you having any action taken against you if it's never seen outside a private world is pretty much zero
It would be possible to track down lewd avatars, because some use the nsfw tags when uploading
Also, avatar names. But banning people for doing things in private instances would be a bad move
from last infos, those 4 check boxes doesnt do anything actually
just remember, in an uncontrolled environment, there can be kids as young as 8 seeing you
do you wanna contribute to what a pre-pubescent kid is exposed to already on the internet
kids have been banned once they turned out to not be 13+
🤔
Like if you want to be lewd, fine, but use your best judgement and don’t be lewd in public
just because the rule says something doesn't mean people don't break it
otherwise why would the rule exist
xd
you never solve a problem that doesn't exist
this is what they say about nsfw content https://i.imgur.com/ypF5EyR.jpg
The 4 checkboxes are logged
gib proof
One of my friends tagged his world as NSFW, or at least the world API told me so. It has been a while, but I don't think it's removed as a feature yet, just unused
It's tracked obviously
Otherwise they wouldn't still be checked when you updated the world/avatar
They're just unused, it's stored in their database
You can go and look for yourself if you want
And yeah, that's what I meant. The checkboxes still technically do something
how many hours for trusted user?
It’s not based on hours. The secret to being a trusted user is a intentional secret
ah
do i actually have to do something specific? or just keep uploading and meeting friends?
Nah just be play the game and be kind to others
I did so yes
okay thanks
Love the new Emoji's in game 😄
When i join alot of the halloween maps i get stuck infinte losding screen
friend made an account, can log in on the site, but not in-game
is there a wait before you can log in?
Shouldn't be no, not that I know of.
Check his email maybe, for any verification stuff perhaps. Has been a while since I did it, but I was in pretty much instantly.
So I just logged into VRChat for only a few minutes, and the first thing I did was test out the new crouch and prone positions.
The crouch position makes you look a little derpy, especially with bigger avatars. At least as it seems to be for me.
@queen mango I just scrolled up and saw [REDACTED] and [DATA EXPUNGED]. Do you look around the SCP wiki sometimes as well?
Is anyone else having an issue where world downloading is suddenly slower?
suddenly? 🤔
In small worlds with only a few mb it's taking me forever to download
Yeah before it was way faster
oh, I have a lot of places where it gets to 100% and just sits there not loading
and a few where it sits at 0% forever
both situations force me to restart
if you disable/re-enable your network card, it fixes itself
you don't need to close the game, usually, just do it while it's loading, then bail to home
and try again
usually what happens is home also fails to load
and then I go to default home, and then that fails to load
yeah, if this fixes it, that's not a problem
just need to kick it to load another world
because it'll stop dead :D
restarting is actually less work than dropping to control panel to disable a network card :/
can be
dash->Quit App->click launch from Steam
oh, that's a different issue then. a much more fun one
@safe prism you mean like disconnecting from my internet?
ye
Here's hoping that works it's being so fucking annoying
I shouldn't be waiting this long to get into the pug
you should use those new portals that don't have a loading screen (lel)
yo i was a trusted user and i got deranked ranomly apparently
im actually confused
like ive done nothing for a derank and i was trusted since the public beta
this actually makes me mad
nvm it was a glitch... thanks bruh
I tried disconnecting my internet and reconnecting but I'm still having the slow downloading issue D:
rip
Does anyone else know what might be causing vrchat to download slowly? My internet is pretty fast literally everywhere else on my computer.
I was just on vrchat on FBT and I tried to sit down without looking and I fucking missed the chair and hit my head on the ground. I landed straight on my elbow
Thank god I didn’t brake my headset
Congratulations! 👍
Try not to injure yourself again, I say as a person who has mashed his face into a wall and other furniture while in VR.
Wow, yeah my elbow is in pain, I loosened a little thing on my headset so it’s all wobbly though
alright i have a question
in playspace on vrc how do i teleport back to my original position?
Playspace mover?
yeah, forgot the name there hah
No idea ¯_(ツ)_/¯
In the readme, there's instructions to set up the return to original position. Then you just press both grip buttons at the same time and it resets
You need to start the program using a custom line of text that assigns a button to be your reset.
kk ill check it out
Else you can't.
Are you using Vive or Rift?
Make a shortcut on the desktop or something
i'm using WMR
I've no idea what command line that needs then.
Oh
In that case, use this....
./PlayspaceMover.exe -l 2 -r 2 --resetButtonMask 4
To start up the program using Windows power shell.
Or otherwise follow the instructions on the website to setup a permanent shortcut with those settings.
alright, ill try to set it up now
If you want the reset button (assigned to double grip), and also the ability to fling yourself and come back down with gravity, you can use this one...
./PlayspaceMover.exe -l 2 -r 2 --resetButtonMask 4 --physics
Oh, though actually leaving the ground requires FBT.
I dont need gravity, but i put ./PlayspaceMover.exe -l 2 -r 2 --resetButtonMask 4 into the code and it still didnt work
i have fbt
like i made a shortcut, put it the code in, then i put it back in the playspace mover folder
Are you entering that line into the Playspace Mover window whilst it's running, or into Powershell whilst playspace mover is not running?
Ah
while its not runningh
I've not bothered with shortcuts yet. Don't have FBT so rarely bother with PSM.
I've just always started it from powershell thus far.
ah
If using powershell, be sure to open it from the folder containing playspace mover.exe, or otherwise include the file path in the line you enter.
wait one question, while using playspace mover, moving around, does your name follow you?
or does it stay in place while you're moving
I think.... it does. Not 100% certain, due to mentioned rare use of it.
I've only ever been able to use it with the "fake trackers", which are too much hassle to get working most of the time.
hope it does, dont really need a reset aslong as my nametag follows me
cant really tell unless i have someone with me 😂
One quirk of it, is that if you drag yourself up into the air and try to move normally, you will snap back to the ground with your hands in the air.
Well, I'd always want the reset personally since I play standing, and thus want to avoid the walls.
Yeah true. I'll try to set it up tomorrow when i have more time.
Having a misleading play boundary is kinda scary.
Fake trackers can be pretty silly honestly
I just turn them on through Playspace Mover and I just turn my whole body upside down
I just can't get them to work consistently.
Neither can I but I would use them more as a joke anyway
Speaking of trackers, time for me to go put mine on and hop into VR.
But see if the steamvr beta works for me first.
fake trackers are actually very good for sitting on chairs, moving your legs, got it for 12 dollars so very good for the price
Oh you mean like an actual thing
Sometimes I can manage to get them to spawn in a way that they lock my legs into a static slightly knees bent stance, that works fine.
But 4 times out of 5 they just attach to the legs/hips in a broken way that drags them through my own skull when I try to move the playspace.
I was thinking like Playspace Mover's fake tracker option where it just slaps feet and a hip on you that follow your head.
yeah same squishy, not much of a problem for my avatar right now though\
they have that? whats the point ?
Same LoneEevee. I'm referring to the ones that can't actually move you and are only software. Not Kinect or anything.
Delaney, they're more for other games that require it
Not necessarily VRChat
But you can use it for VRC
oh i was talking about kinect haha
It allows your avatar to leave the ground, as if you had FBT.
I would use Kinect to VR or whatever it is, but then I'd have to actually take my Kinect and USE it
Like
Without FBT, your feet are locked to the floor no matter where your playspace goes. Causing you to stretch instead of float.
I don't feel it's worth it
Plus I assume most of my avatars aren't okay for Full Body.
I've noticed it with a lot of my Pokemon avatars.
I've used the fake trackers a few times purely to be able to climb people.
Fake trackers?
They generally look pretty janky even when working perfectly, but when used on a short avatar with the right shape like Kanna, the locked leg stance is much less noticeable.
And you get to enjoy climbing more people that way.
I've had great fun with them, but it's also taken me over half an hour of repeatedly rebooting Steam-VR to make them work in the past.
when you move with psm, does your name tag follow you? @vocal shard
Every time you turn them on, it adds three imaginary trackers to Steam-VR's list. If they don't work right, they get stuck in the list even after being turned off, which confuses the game.
Can confirm name tag follows your head when playspace moving
I don’t know what logic they use but it seems to follow the head bone
This makes me want to do an animation where the head just detaches and wanders off, taking the nametag with it.
I don’t know, it’s weird it definitely follows you when play space moving, but when my hip tracker screws off my name tag just stays where I should be
So I’m really not sure what logic they’re using
It probably follows the players actual viewpoint, rather than the head bone.
Makes sense
The bone attempts to stay inside the headset at all times, but can sometimes be separated. Is probably it.
I really wish we could adjust the Ik targets relative to our devices
Especially touch controllers
@maiden hound from my experiences, it doesn't follow. It follows your position on the ground. But it doesn't raise or lower
I have absolutely seen name tags up in the air
alright, that makes sense
🤔
My friend always uses fbt with psm, it never followed... So idk
I'll just go buy FBT so I can test this out. :v
Well I have FBT and PSM so I’m just going to go do it right now
Because I feel like I’m going insane now
No fair.
Except I can’t see my own name tag unless I trust what’s in the mirror
What if everyone in the game conspires to skew your findings?
They follow the origin of your avatar
I swear I’ve seen people flying around with their name tags in the air I’ve never seen them just sitting on the ground
Not anything on your armature
So I assumed mine was doing it too
Hmm. I've never asked people where my nametag is when using the giant avatar.
Nameplates also have the property that it adjusts to your viewpoint
Giant avatar does follow proper height
I only mention that, since if you manually adjust the bounding box, does the game know how big your avatar actually is?
OK that makes sense
Not necessarily adjusting to your viewpoint constantly that it'd be moving with your head, just the model's native viewpoint.
Basically the nameplate is locked at that point
Yeah you can screw with name tag height by messing with the avatar but I don’t know exactly what aspect it controls it
I have seen avatar is with incorrect name plate Heights
As far as VRChat is concerned, your armature and mesh is just a little extra thing to it
All it's concerned about first is your viewpoint
Right
Everything else follows the head, hands, and if you have them, trackers.
Yeah. I've seen insect avatars that had their nametag pushed into the ceiling.
It’s a cheap annoying nameless trick people do
Lol
I feel it would be more because the insects are generic avatars and people don't realize they can put the viewpoint much lower than they actually do.
And still have them function properly
And comfortably.
Nah, these things had their nametag out the top of the Pug ceiling. Way high.
Was clearly for deliberate effect, to make them seem more like real bugs that were hard to track.
Does scale IDP checkbox in avatar descriptor actually hook into anything because I’m feeling like it does not
I don’t think that changes anything in VRC
Glorious
Oh wait
I don't think IPD scaling is a thing unless you somehow change your arm length after upload
I'm assuming anyway
I’m not sure now
IPD is scaled to your arms, so say you had a model with really long arms, everything would look really tiny.
Oh...
No way to force worldscale bigger than it should be For your wingspan I guess
That sounds interesting actually. '-'
Basically the distance between your viewpoint and your hands
Since I have a model with long arms, that I'd love to be able to have the hands in the correct positions.
Scale IPD Should your IPD scale with your avatar height
Although if that works, it might feel too weird to actually use casually. Still curious though.
With your avatar height? hm
Yeah
Arm length is a factor too though, I've seen avatars with stupidly long arms and everyone looks like ants.
Hmm. So, you can't set it, but you can toggle scaling?
Yeah one annoying thing is that "Real User Height" used to change worldscale from your head position, but now it scales from the floor, so the floor stays the same height as you adjust Real World Scale... while that makes sense, the only real way to adjust the floor height and have it be inherent to the avatar, is adjust the wingspan.
Yep
Meaning... small avatars would have greater than usual IPD scale, whilst in tall ones you'd feel like a normal person sitting on a giant?
Makes it really annoying to make avatars that render the floor at the right spot, heh
One thing to note as well, if for some reason you had an avatar with an arm longer than the other, the IPD will scale to the longer arm.
...That seems like the most annoying avatar ever
I've only seen such avatars as memes.
I guess it would apply to like, Doomfist from Overwatch if he's in
Haven't really seen an actual avatar that was taken seriously with such an arm
Wait till you see Ballas from Warframe.
Ridiculously long arm
Someone might have Doomfist, but they must really have gotten used to it.
I need to test this stuff. Is tricky to get my head round it.
Thanos, even
Fortnite model? If so, aren't the arms scaled the same as well?
I think some Tf2 avatars are like that I think
I've seen all the TF2 models, all have consistent arm length
I'm really interested in trying to figure this out better though, since I have this... https://i.imgur.com/9FHHL0V.jpg
As an avatar.
But yeah the whole "change worldscale without changing floor height" can be seriously trippy if you adjust it way higher or smaller than it should be. gives you alice in wonderland syndrome when you look at your hands lol
Tryna think of one of the TF2 models that might have a longer arm than the other
@sterile drift Heavy Weapons Guy?
Since technically all real user height does now is change IPD
Except with the flaw that the "grab point" is actually located where the arm joint meets the giant hands, not at the end of the hands near the fingers.
Heavy still has consistent arm length
I've seen the model
It's when you have an arm longer than the other
Again, I've only seen such avatars as memes, none that actually are something taken seriously
What determines the grab point?
So like something scaled really stupidly
Is it the tail of the wrist bone?
Not really the tail, in Blender, the tail and head of bones matter
But in Unity, it's just the head bone
@languid beacon Yeah, the wrist bone.
What part of the wrist bone?
So it's basically the base of the wrist
Or not the wrist bone
It's actually controller position technically
If your arms are really short for some ungodly reason, you can still reach out farther in real life and grab the object.
Well yes but that's more or less what I mean, what controls the exact IK target of the VRChat hands
I'll screenshot
Because my hands are waaaay in back of my controllers and I don't know how to fix it without screwing up my IDP
which will then mess up my floor height
which as a full body user i really need that to be right lol
getting this all exact is a mess
it would be easier if IPD scaled with height
Oh what controls the IK target of the hand is the controller itself too
Now how far it goes is another beast, since I've only seen the IK properly though Xiexe's skeleton thing
The red ring indicates my actual hand position. The area objects snap to when held.
Oh that's what he meant
Yea that's basically it
That is, if your avatar is still following your IK
Oof, so no way to offset the IK target from the controller
Nope
yeah getting my arms and hand size right worked fine but now my hands don't really grab my VR controllers, so picked up items float in front of my hands and my hands are kind of back on my real life wrists
Also if you offset your avatar from your IK in any way, you will be able to grab an object from much further, and when you get back to your avatar, it'll still be really far from your hand. I can demonstrate that to you some time, Adeon.
which also has the side effect of making my arms slightly slack
For me that model as it is right now, basically operates exactly like any other avatar with normal length arms, except that the hands are gigantic. My reach is less than it appears to be.
You can tell I talk a lot more formally when typing in text, or at least in a public space in text
People always ask me to pick up stuff from the floor. It's embarrassing to tell them I can't reach it. T-T
ha
yeah trying to get my floor height right was due to never being able to pick stuff up from the floor
now that I have full body, it was due to needing to actually put the trackers on my avatar's feet and not shins
if you bind your trackers to your shins because your feet are below your floor, it'll look fine until you sit... then you'll be floating lol
Lol
and I think everyone types differently than they talk
where can i go to find friends to play fortnight with?
Fortnight discord
scared to join one
Also nite
Funnily enough in casual conversation in text I'm way more loose and silly than even in casual VRChat conversation.
Suprised there is no battle royale mode in VRChat yet
Eggplant Joy 100 Fire
I'm maybe the opposite. In text I can get more snarky/argumentative than I like to be, or would ever be in spoken conversation.
Lol
@languid beacon Hasn't caught on yet in here.
Don't give the world creators ideas, they will do it. You should see the stuff people have already pulled off.
Even as someone who's never built a map, the more I think about that the more it feels scarily doable.
It's so doable at this point
Well maybe not right now
But many tools are rising up very quickly
Honestly the Murder map made me realize you can do a lot of logic in maps that I didn't think was possible. I haven't looked into script triggers at all.
I've been focusing on avatars only
Same here
The murder map is a miracle
I've made simle things using the SDK, it's almost impossible
You can't do logic like if statements, you can't read any information about players, etc
You justh ave enabled objects, disabled objects, triggers and animations with some number of states
Doesn't it sound similar to what the Source engine can do?
Give it a go if you want
Have you seen the logic machine the Murder map uses?
In the spawn room, walk to the far end and poke your head through the wall.
There's some kind of physically rendered ball machine behind the wall doing stuff.
No idea how it works, but there's a load of yellow and red balls in a tube flying back and forth.
Any work arounds with flying?
want to fly just put collider on your avatar hand push the collider in our body
or make make platform on collider stick then keep walking on the platform plane you made on it
<.<
it seems they fucked the microphone system now...
someone complained my mic lag
now im hearing 3 peoples mic lag
wtdf
like get ur shit together, do some dev testing im happy to dev test u kno >.>
Always blame others first and then try to fix the problem only you have.
Oof unexpected bugs man
you just don't clap your hands and its fixed you have to find the fault of the bug then find a way to fix it without fucking up something else, test it again and then you can roll it out but theres a lot of time where bugs are not detected in the testing phase, it's normal >.< AAA companies have this all the time
find a game that had no bugs on release or patch, it's really rare.
Lmao

Is anyone getting extremely high lag
Weird my ping is really high today
Maybe aha
this the most ping ive got since February when the game got flooded
the days of server wide crashes and forever loading screens oof
Sup everyone, just letting you guys know Dead Space VR is still going to be released soon along with HDS: Halloween map!

VRChat Dead Space VR indeed.
I've been working on it for 2 months, but put on hold for Halloween.
nice man
There were a few leaked images and footages due to someone leaking the World ID.
But its good now hehe.
heh
dumb question, but with eye tracking is that a thing you need to buy and install or does oculus come with it?
That's just standard, how you setup your avatar.
I mean its not standard sorry.
But if you follow the avatar guides, included with CATS (Blender) it will work.
CATS can be a real mixed bag
on one hand it can be useful
but at other times it would just wreck all your progress
lol i made my avatar constantly lock to the players camera locally, its funny xd
Really depends how much you use CATS, never had issues with it.
no i purposely did it
:p
@vital rune How can cats wreck all your progress? 
Belatedly... Wtf is a "2890ti gtx genforc"
We're still in the 1000 series, let alone the 2000 series or 2800s. ^ ^;
Granted, having a super advanced GPU from the future crammed onto a current day motherboard probably wouldn't work at all, so... eh.
Aren't we not in the 1000s if there's 2080s?
Are those released now?
Yeah they're like 900 bucks
Also we do have 2890Tis already, here's proof https://www.trmesports.com/products/yehlex-ops-2890ti-graphite-junior-badminton-racket
Oh, well scratch that then. I'm clearly not paying attention. I thought they were coming soon.
Oh shit. How many gigglebites has that thing got? ._.
12 GIGARAYS!!!
Hit all the tennis things
Wow 26 bucks for a 2890ti, not bad
Yeah, might buy a few for mining
"Yehlex OPS 2890Ti Graphite" It's got to be powerful with a name like that.
I'm gonna mine so many TennisCoins
But can it run Crisis?
ive noticed that when my steam is on VRC takes awhile to DL some Maps and avatars
But when steam is turned off and i play VRC via exe it seems to return the net speed
im not downloading anything in Steam not since the VRC update yesterday
6 mega rays
u seen the z390 gigabyte mbo’s? their tier names is absolutely hilarious
you can play without steam?
I'm pretty sure I get kicked from like two worlds per day for stupid reasons
I wonder if that's gonna get me put as a trouble user
Because most of the times like I said it's completely arbitrary and or stupid reasons
some people just get upset at my crusader avatar
Ask me to change it so I just start deus vulting
Well rather they get mad at me and DEMAND I change it
Do they demand you change it though or ask you to change it...
Demand
Quite pissily too
My god can a man not crusade
The world these days
This time they got mad that I was way better at being mike pence than them in the halloween town map
Lmfao those keyblades
They shocked me so I zippidy zoppidy doobity boppitied them until they couldn't stand uppity
I want a Mike Pence avatar with electricity particles buuuut I also don't wanna get banned
Oh Goodness Gracious Adventitious
Mike "Electric Fence" Pence
Ok this is so sadly random, Alexa play:
BFG Division
BFG Division is better anyway
But is it better than the Spanish Inquisition*!!?*
yes
whenever BFG Division starts playing
headbang warning
and a insumountible temptation to rip and tear demons
uncontrollable
If you're pissing off enough people to get vote kicked, and frequently to boot, that's 100% your fault and yes, very likely to get you demoted or marked nuisance if you keep it up, since multiple people are guaranteed to be blocking you for it too.
I have a friend who likes to use the crusader avatars, and he gets the same reaction from people fed up of the braindead memers that often spam it around public rooms. Rather than deliberately noise spamming them in response like a child, he just says something along the lines of, "Don't worry, I'm not gonna spam or anything" and people treat him just fine from then on.
Squishy get over yourself I don't do any of that shit
I only piss with people who are either inconsiderate, attempting to interrupt a conversation rudely because they don't understand social queues, or are acting as if they are an authority on how I get to have fun because muh avatar is offenzibe
And even then I'm not toxic when I do it, I just go off on them like an adult by telling them they need to grow up and that they have no right to barge in on a conversation they are not a part of, or I will antagonize them for being disrespectful and entitled or which ever
If anything I prefer to refrain from vulgar language and stick to real people, not NPCS who can't form any advanced cognetive thought. But sometimes you just can't help but walk in on a bunch of insane drones who can't cope with realistic and non-suckup behavior
how do you even get kicked? lmao
I almost never get kicked
Dude
I'll put it this way
I grew up in a loud household
My inside voice is the akin to your yelling voice
I have no such thing as a low tone it just
I don't have one, very loud household
So when I talk I can get loud right
Some people really don't like that and think I'm screaming so I get kicked
That's the majority reason
I have literally never been kicked.
Perhaps I'm crazy, but my money is still on you being the problem, not everyone else.
Turn down your mic then, while not the best solution, it'll help.
Nice, that probably means you either don't have autism or don't come off as a screaming asshole to the cultist gummybears who often times populate the great pug
Breh
My mic is an ASMR mic so if I turn it down nobody hears me
Cool I'm not talking to you
LOL
It's a public Discord
Sure but I mean
If you want 1 on 1 chats so much then go whine in DM's.
Doesn't mean I have to involve myself with you
Ok, then don't.
no survivors
woah darling nobody's whining here it's just banter
🤔 🤦
I think we just got an example of why he gets kicked so often
Yea no
Nah, I definitely am being polite. I'm not insulting or attacking anybody.
You might think you act normal for your social behavior
But in the normal normal world what you just said is pretty toxic
"cool" = sarcasm
Just because you dont call me an fuck wit does not mean your being non toxic
Then that word is arbitrary and holds no meaning
this isn't a debate discord my point is that I'm not a miscreant
Can we call a vote to kick in here? 😉
Calling someone an 'Darling that is whining because its just banter' after telling them in a public place they cant partake within a conversation isnt proper social behavior
Oh stop being absurd that's not what I said or implied at all
@still lark that would require a majority vote I think, good luck getting 13k people to vote on anything lol
Reminds me of the good ol' KF1 days in servers that broke the player cap
It would be extremely easy to not dogpile a socially awkward person
But you chose to do it anyway
Shame on all of you
Yeesh
Yeah, that's exactly what's going on here.
Comin in hot
@median basalt What If I said chairs will be readded if > 50% vote? :D
Sure, but you're still referring to a ton of people that way
Um, yes it is
@regal folio Social awkward?
I think he was referring to some kind of avatar he's seen in the pug or something?
Im not sure what you are seeing but im fairly sure this person is properly capable of talking
What is it with people using their "disabilities" as shields against criticism?
Just because they're not in here doesn't mean it's not toxic
Regardless, he's got an exceptional talent for picking fights with rooms full of people.
Aye it does because I'm not referring to or attacking anybody here
You're using the term toxic very broadly
@sacred dove nice hypocrisy
Clearly this individual is not the type to get along in large social settings
You keep using the word "here" and it's a big 🤔
They've probably been like this and had difficulties with it their whole lives
Good thing about VRC is that it gives you a very safe environment to practice social interaction in.
And here you are, around five of you, just pogging on him when he made no such effort to start this fight.
You all need to stop.
"I grew up in a loud household" might be an excuse for the first day on VRC or so
Cant deny i used it broadly but still- What you said comes over fairly aggressive and negative.
You could have phrased it so much better and not have gotten any flack from it
@regal folio bully hunters incoming
Now THAT'S toxic.
Thanks
And its an behavior of speech, you cna change that or accept not everyone in the world thinks its normal
Alright how about we do this instead since nobody here knows how to control themselves
<@&397642795457970181>
Im myself am really blunt and upfront about things. I know when and where i can be like this and when i have to act diffrent
This needs to stop pronoto please
Well I mean they're not wrong
It doesn't really seem like a good excuse. I have had autism my entire life and I adapted.
Also nanachi your honstly insulting the dude by now with what you are saying imo... Your making this FAR from better
ahahaha
Your autism could be leagues different from mine
You're just projecting quite rudely your own experiences onto my own
I'd like to remind you that a few years ago, I was considered on the low-functioning end of said spectrum.
Congratulations on making such a strong effort to overcome it
This game has done wonders for my social interaction practice, but it requires a learning attitude of some sort.
👌 Glad that works for you
Are we still going
The problem is, your thought process seems to be "I have autism, therefore I cannot overcome this. I'll continue my behavior."
That's not what I said at all.
So, are you actively working on your loudness problem then?
Listen if you're curious to my... FUCKING TELEMARKETERs
Okay
anyway
What if I told you that the problem is physical
My vocal cords don't have a quiet setting it sounds like a dieing gurgling cat when I whisper
Because that's quite seriously how it is
Yotsu- I think rokk is getting that a bit wrong but it is what nanchi was kinda implying...
But again- What you said came over aggressive and negative.
Nobody said you had to whisper
¯_(ツ)_/¯
You can phrase things diffrent even while yelling to make it sound less /that/
How do you figure
The mic settings have plenty of adjustment range. No matter what kind of mic you have, there's a level for it.
And for the loudness- You can try looking into more hardware options. Programs like voicechangers can also lower the dB instead of just change it.
Well see that's better, if you're gonna wag your finger at someone don't just berate them give them real criticism
Yeah, could always just turn your mic down
You might sound a little "clippy" at first
As in, your mic will clip a bit if it's not very high quality
Since you're still going past its maximum and then lowering it artificially
But it should work
There's no such thing as being stuck between only two options of yelling down peoples ears, to suddenly being mute.
More specifically, it's more likely to do with how you said you react to people asking you to tone it down.
Nah I never said anything about how I react to them telling me to tone it down
"Could you not _____" > does it more in retaliation
Is not a good way to get along.
I told you how I react to them wimpering about my chain mail
Same deal.
If they don't like your spam avatar, the response is not to deliberately spam them.
can you take this to DM's since only both of you are at each other's throat ? thanks
I don't think we are anymore
Also squishy don't substitute your reality for mine, this isn't a spam avatar\
I know what one you're talking about
It was more him and everyone else spare that one well intentioned guy. But yeah, I'm fine to drop. I already had until just now again.
That was the one from a LONG time ago that would spew out the crusader symbolism
right?
@ruby burrow You ARE talking about that one right?
I mean like violent particles
There's a bunch of them. Could be any.
Not just the particles, but the loud booming voice ones are very common.
All it does is have a sword and two tracks that activate a set of flare eyes
It plays power wolf at a very reasonable volume
but only when you turn on the gesture
Oh my what have I missed here?
No particles just the flare eyes and power wolf and a little bit of red lighting from the face
nothing spammy or obnoxious unless I were to just spam the music and run inside of people to make it louder
which I never do because that would be degenerate
Made by Exozze
if someone dont like any part of your avatar, he can just block you
block the avatar
or block any of the effect
you should just ignore those people or block them yourself
getting kicked like that won't affect your trust score
Ah you reckon?
or just barely
Pizzaguywalkingintoroomonfire.gif
Hahahaha
Kinda?
yeah alright alright
Thanks man for answering my initial question
people have so many tools to block someone's avatar and they still complain all the time for simple stuff
Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
I'm not gonna change it because you don't like it when you have tools available to deal with it
Especially when I'm doing nothing abusive
Yeah I never even block or mute I just hide annoying peoples avatars unless they have a loud mic
I mean sure I oppress nekos by existing in the same spaces but that's completely different
Oh I have no idea what this is about but I can already tell you are fun at parties
But they do use those tools... And you complained about them
No, they just complain to me and make demands instead of just reasonably blocking my avatar
Never happens
Also @languid beacon I'm fucking HILARIOUS
True. They really should be blocking you silently.
Extended exposure may result in an unfortunate tumor but
give me an hour and you'll have a ball
Fahaha
But then again you only see/hear about the ones that don’t do the normal thing and just block you without you knowing about it. You may only be seeing the loud minority.
@sacred dove You should be silenced for having a 4chan reference!
What
No.
Yotsuba originates in a manga called Yotsubato!
My name is taken from that
Not 4chan
Four chins.
It's also the only name I've really been comfortable keeping for more than a while
Doesn't matter. Same was the thing with Pepe and now look where he is.
Before I had this I was constantly changing it
YOTSUBA IS SACRED AND IF YOU DARE UNDERMINE HER INNOCENCE AND HOLYNESS I WILL HAVE AT THEE WITH THE FURY OF A THOUSAND WEEBS
Undermines
I should DM you that one particular Doujin fron ShindoL.
lul
; ;
Pepe is unfortunate. Why couldn’t a Ctrl Alt Del character have been repurposed as a hate icon instead of Boy’s Club?
Then loss could be banned instead.
Are you insane? His crap is not even entertaining and banning someone which sucks has no purpose.
It was more a random jab at Buckley heh
xd
he tried to take pepe back by killing him but little did he know nobody gave a rat about the canon
Boys Club was never good
--^
Yes sir
that's fine
🐈
Are you some sort of moderator?!
Epic usernames yes
Anyway
My name is sacred and innocent don't you dare meme me
Hey @weary bison you know those pillars in the sky in the home map
Any idea if those are just the skybox
Because
they look so real you could touch em
Is Noe the creator of NoeNoe shaders?
I tried flying out there once, seemed like they're just textured on
yes I do shader stuff
there's a bunch of things in the old (bright) hub you can fly out to that are actually modelled
Your NoeNoe shaders aren’t whitelisted on trust system 😦 love them though
there isn't really a whitelist anymore, it's a somewhat complex fallback system based on shader name and properties
Oh I had no idea they dropped the whitelist concept
I'll be updating NoeNoe shaders to work with it a little better in the future
I knew about fallback but thought there was a whitelist too
Hey noe
I'll ask you
I get kicked from rooms maybe twice every couple of days for stupid reasons
How likely is this to hit me would you say
as far as I'm aware, not much if at all
I assume I'd have to have been crashing or using a cunty avatar
me and my friends kick each other all the time
You have to try much harder than that for your trust rank to go down rather than up
So it's arbitrary at best
yes
Alright that's good to know
i could just gather a group of idiots like me and mass votekick people in random worlds
just don't wear a glowing snapback and you'll be fine :^)
Lol fuck those things
this is only from what I've seen though
What are the hotkeys to show stuff like logs/frames/etc in-game? I remember it being a thing, but don't remember what buttons to press. -_- Or maybe it was a beta-only thing?
menu + 4
eh doesn't really matter you can just press 1-5 till you get the info you want
pretty sure the log output is 4 though
ah nvm it's 3
4 is networking stuff
Keywords being “you have to try”: unless you are in serious denial, your trust rank won’t go down unless even you agree you deserve it
It won’t happen from random bad luck
I think they get a baseline for that kind of stuff
When the trust update came in they said ranks may shift around as the system learns so they are doing heuristics for sure
I still think it favors account age too much. So many old trolls who haven’t played for years coming back in as trusted
Year
Seriously
I've been on for a long ass time
I'm not even known
That kind of pisses me off
Account age isn't taken into account before a certain time period I think
i'm known user
where EVERYONE had them
i played mostly before the trust system was a thing
so i guess i kinda got fucked there
I feel like a certain account creation date before a certain point just got slammed to trusted regardless of log time
i started playing around july 2017 🤷
I played whenever dk2 came out
And those are the people I’m talking about
The people who have not played since then but are coming back are auto-trusted heh
I started around march of this year iirc?
Actually
Maybe just before knuckles was a thing
Hey does anyone know where the busty adult kanna avatar is
the one with furry arms and legs
I wanna show my friend this thing
I would not care so much about trusted if it wasn’t the only way for non friends to see custom shaders
That's the main thing for me also. The shaders.
I may have found it..
And not because of looking shiny without them, but because I've got a few fun avatars that rely on them for their effects to not be obtrusive.
Nani the hecc. Everyone can see anyones shaders. What are you on about homie?
With the shaders, it's just a cool subtle effect, and not something a single person ever complained about. Without the shaders, I become an obnoxious giant collection of opaque grey spheres.
Thus, I basically cannot ever use that effect in public now, or else risk getting blocked and hampering my progress towards trusted.
Plus... I just don't like annoying people, regardless of whether they do or don't block or whatever.
Being blocked causes you to not be trusted?
Let me just create a cabal of blockers
Smart joke
Only speculation.
good system
It might not.
I'm trusted and I'm sure for sure blocked by at least 5 people mang
They use whatever means they can to determine if you are annoying people. Don’t worry about the trust system, worry about not annoying people. That’s the point.
But nuisance rank and such has got to be earned somehow. I suppose it's possible that the trust score cannot go down, and accumulates positively only, but that would somewhat reduce it's value in actually restricting spammers and such.
The system isn’t perfect but that is the spirit of what it is trying to achiev
Ranks can go down
Trust may not but ranks can
I don't really agree with the trust system, but it can still be worked with.... What I am completely against is people using it to block, voice by ranks, and that mutes can't write anymore. Making them unable to communicate at all.
Oh shit...
Yeah losing finger painting is a big deal
Mutes get the fat blocc from me a lot. Never trust someone with no voice.
What reason could you have to block a mute? ^ ^;
Especially mute streamers.
I like mutes. They 90% of the time are more animated and fun to watch than the rest of us who just stand and talk
Keeps my cache clear of avatars that I would otherwise never interact with. Thays about all.
I have a friend that's fbt mute. Just a joy to have in our group
Mutes are generally the least intrusive and easiest to get along with types.
I remember a lot of people being upset about losing their only way to communicate
Vrc isn’t that accessible in the first place so it must suck
At least they can still friend each other
I enabled shaders for blues
Tbh. Why the hecc would you join a social network without a solid means to communicate?
Keep sounds and lights to trusted (even as a known)
some people like importing models more than talking
I just turn the entire system off
Like signing up for Facebook and only talking to others through text jpegs
So just because you can’t speak you feel you shouldn’t play VRChat? Hello?
Hated it from the start
Do you realize how stupid that sounds lol
Yes.
lol
same as you jamie, i turn the system off
we can block specific avatars now, more than enough for me
Just particle limiter
Although i woukd wholeheartedly agree that text communication through an in game messenger would be a wonderful addition to the network a sa whole.
Yeah
Tbh text comms shoyld have been introduced in 2016
I think they need to make sure that text isn't annoying tho. Like no giant text bubbles over people's heads
Mah immersion
like a comic book lol
Lol
I think keeping it to the UI would be better
I’d be ok with text comms for current world only, local space only (match voice range) and no DM’s
No text bubbles or whatever
hi
It’s d be OK with text bubbles I just don’t want vrc to turn into a text game
....
I’m fine with it as an accessibility thing
Thing is... for desktop users, text over head makes sense... To vr, it's distracting, and constantly have to look up.
Also typing in vr takes too long
A lot of people currently on voice would leave voice if they could text heh
True
I don’t want that
Lack of text is what make me talk in the first place
Mhmm
People are more real on voice
A built-in TTS system perhaps
But being in character is easier in text tho
They are also less likely to be dicks heh
Rather than fucking with several programs to route 3rd party software into the mic device
go to vr to try to build social skills without being judged IRL
only use text because too scared of even the smallest iota of human interaction
Wowie
Lol
I have mute friends that are like that more for the character than being scared. They also have voice account where they will say anything. So that's not completely accurate
dudes
just be me
be able to sound like a believable female
naturally
with zero effort
also a dude ify ou choose
While mute, they are really active, climbing stuff and act cute. With voice... Mostly stand and sh*t talk. Lol
People can be so vapid and vain even in VR. Wild. Just the human condition i guess
You’d be surprised. I came from Second Life it’s a world of shy people who hate the day it got voice chat. Ditching it for vrc was a breath of fresh air with people actually talking
SL... Oh god
Heh I am a SL vet I was there for over 11 years kill me
I probably bullied Adeon at one point
I wont kill you, but I'm blocking you in Vrchat.
That’s fine lol
And nah trolls never left the starting areas same with VRChat just don’t go to presentation room or hangout house and it’s troll free
The only thing in SL I thought was weird were biker gangs
Probably should switch this to random chat lol
I see VRChat as everything SL should have been
It was lit
Lose the dumb name and embrace vr but they wouldn’t do it
Over the years I pressed for : custom skeletons, custom shaders, mirrors, mocap, vr support. They never do it then comes VRChat doing everything I told them to do lol
Vrchat is really easy to create, upload, and interact. Unity is perfect for this app
It also doesn't cost $400 for a avatar unless you WANT to bypass the incredibly easy creation of one with a few tutorial vids.
Although. Mo education of Vrchat has to happen in some capacity at some point im sure.
239 hours in vrc but something as simple as walking in sansar makes me ill they are doing something foundationally wrong
I meant I’m used to vr at this point
Ah yeah
I’ve also only been in vrc for 2 months
I will rake in hours fast lol
I ditched Second Life for this

Plenty of time
I will say my biggest complaint is complex logic is much harder in world creation for VRChat than it is for SL. SL’s scripting language was very polished and I just want a text editor and a function library.
I was an administrator for a rust server for about u months. Basically taking care of parents children in a videogame. All of whom were about as easy to interact with as angry knuckles from february in Vrchat.
It was horrid.
7 months*
100 crybabies mad they got raided. Whew... Anyways ueah
SL has also been around for Well over twice as long.
I wonder if we will ever get more modern unity stuff? 5.6 is pretty old now.
Clueless in that department. Never used Unity until VRC

