do you have vive or rift? not sure if that matters. I heard STEAM VR causes frameloss with the rift for some people
#vrchat-general-2
trail rapids
viral yacht
Tbh I think my frames lie sometimes. Like it’ll say I’m only getting 30 FPS yet I have 0 lag what so ever
thick flare
what is your definition of populated?
viral yacht
I have Vive
raven silo
max vrchat can handle maybe 10 people with no particle,dyamic bone one material
in world
trail rapids
Steamvr has a mode that tries its best to make lower framerates not bother you
I mean Steamvr
viral yacht
Populated to me would probably be, I don’t know, roughly 17+
long venture
Populated to me is 20
long venture
At around 500k poly your frames start to die
trail rapids
yeah I'm usually in 20+ rooms but not everyone is in one spot
thick flare
though i didn't pay attention to the frame rate
viral yacht
Yeah I really can’t tell you what it is
long venture
At 1.5mil it drops to 20 fps
viral yacht
Like I said, I’ve tried everything, even replacing the cpu fans yet nothing works
vocal shard
What about the game graphics settings?
trail rapids
I'd wait to replace the 1060, the 1080 will probably come down in price soon
viral yacht
All the way down lol
long venture
I play in vr low
exotic rain
isnt that just the version of unity vrchat uses ? regarding the cores
but they won't update : L
vocal shard
Because I have the same rig specs
queen mango
@exotic rain Yes
exotic rain
fuckin rip
viral yacht
I’m buying all new parts on cyber Monday and building a beast
trail rapids
I think they would have to recode a lot of things to upgrade to the newest unity
raven silo
@exotic rain update to unity 2018 mean possible bugs, break shaders, break worlds
exotic rain
honestly
it'd be so much better to update, but having to go through whatever comes with it seems like a pain
thick flare
takes away legacy animation because unity drops the support of it
continue to use old unity version
exotic rain
well those are already gone lul
trail rapids
I've heard of other devs that stay on the version they started on with unity and unreal because it's complicated to upgrade
viral yacht
I can’t wait to upgrade and get full body
thick flare
sounds logical for me
trail rapids
XD
raven silo
last unity update from 5.3 to 5.6 whipe everything need reupload everyone thing
trail rapids
Full body is so expensive tho and it's like only useful for vrchat >_<
viral yacht
True, but I’ve been saving up for awhile just for full body and pc parts
queen mango
oof
trail rapids
I heard of people doing full body with the Kinect
Im not sure how well it works though
viral yacht
On top of it all, I’m going to start streaming again so full body will be nice for that
I actually have it
vocal shard
I have the Kinect.... Meh
viral yacht
It’s okay I guess
vocal shard
Just save for the trackers
queen mango
That's true... Though it's less accurate than Vive trackers.
raven silo
vive tracker way to go
trail rapids
do you have good depth with your kinnect?
like the wall behind you is decently far away?
viral yacht
It may just be me and not doing it properly, but when you lift your legs it automatically bands your knees. It’s also not 360 so trying to sit cross legged and stuff just bugs out
raven silo
kinnect take longer just callibrate it right
twin jacinth
i have trackers but i cant find any avatars that has accurate tracking >.<
dont know how to do it myself
arms to short
legs to high up
etc etc
trail rapids
if i could get trackers for $50 i'd do it >_< you need 3 for full body
vocal shard
It's just not accurate enough. It's good for feet and hip placement. But it doesn't track rotation properly and only tracks at 30 fps Wich is visible in game
Also, it lags
trail rapids
yuck
vocal shard
So almost immersion breaking
trail rapids
yeah
raven silo
kinnect take alot cpu as well
trail rapids
rotation.. that makes sense
viral yacht
There’s a video on YouTube and this dude uses like openvr or whatever it’s called advanced settings and it really helps with changing heights and all that for full body
queen mango
Not to mention that your avatar sometimes borks and contorts in nightmarish shapes
viral yacht
I’ll definitely be using it when I get mine
trail rapids
yeah openvr advance settings is a must have
twin jacinth
Tried it Mys, it does not work for me, either my arms are to short or the legs are to high up lol
viral yacht
Really? That’s unfortunate. Are you using basic sized avatars or do you enjoy shorter/taller avatars?
raven silo
@twin jacinth https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IqUVFuSD5a4
twin jacinth
My avatar is pretty short (Picture one) ive tried others too but i can get it to ''fit'' properly for a good experience
raven silo
watch that video
trail rapids
viral yacht
Ahh okay, yeah that’d be a bit more difficult
twin jacinth
Done
I don't have my own avatar though :S
I guess to have the best experience you need your own avatar to get the propotions right?
viral yacht
I don’t have them on hand at the moment, but I have avatar worlds saved that have avatars specifically made for full body if you’d like
trail rapids
that's insane >_<... for one game!?!?
queen mango
I searched for WMR headsets. Prices for the ASUS variants are discounted at 200 bucks
viral yacht
Can I message you? That way I can easily find you again tomorrow on discord and send you some world names
twin jacinth
Yeah nps!
Yeah
for 1 game lul
I have money for it so why not, if i'm not happy with it i can send it back and get 100% refund :P
queen mango
I was thinking of buying a WMR headset instead...
plush nymph
would only be able to semi-afford WMR lol
queen mango
Oof. I probably have 11,000 Philippine pesos in my wallet right now.
Exchanged to US Dollars, I think it would be $200.
And some of the WMR headsets on eBay are on a discount...
Suddenly, chat became silent
plush nymph
rip
plush nymph
is it weird to have mutes stare at ye
viral yacht
Are they mute lolis?
plush nymph
yes
kindred sand
then its kinda creepy never know what they want
viral yacht
They want headpats
queen mango
^w^ Aww... Thanks.
tacit plank
Lolis are always welcome
near sky
viral yacht
They won’t leave until you give them headpats
dire palm
try to get a male mute avatar to stare at you
kindred sand
gives elire a big muffin and a hug so he no feel lonely
tacit plank
Some desktop lolis will follow you around forever if you kiss them just once btw, so careful about that
queen mango
Much appreciated, Emy.
kindred sand
^_^
queen mango
Btw. I dunno about the lolis thing.
Maybe it's because I'm one of them?
plush nymph
asks as i'm one of those desktop mutes that just kinda mingle around staring at people talking lol
queen mango
@tacit plank Which profile picture?
tacit plank
Emy's
queen mango
Oh...
kindred sand
the pic i use was a gift from a friend
then shortly after she kinda got wierd and stopped talking to me
kindred sand
idk what happend but i lost a very best friend cuz of it
queen mango
I know that feeling.
tacit plank
Game is "Wanko to Kurasō" if anyone's interested
kindred sand
ima keep it untill new comp then ima loose it lol
cuz then ima has to refind it if to use it again
tacit plank
DM me if you need it in the future. Googling "anime cat girl cardboard box" and similar things will get you it, though
kindred sand
^_^
i has this pic on most my stuff even as desktop background
snuggles caffeine pie
queen mango
-Hugs Emy-
kindred sand
purrs
i luv snuggly ppl and snuggles it makes me feel needed and wanted and loved ^_^
huggles elire tight
queen mango
I fell fuzzy
inner cape
Gross text roleplayers
tacit plank
Then I think you came to the right game
plush nymph
i joined it to be an animu
tacit plank
I saw a video of two ooka mikus facing eachother on a random meme site, and somebody in the comments pointed out that it was free, and that you could play in desktop mode
tacit plank
Installed it right away and played for over 40 hours the next 3 days
kindred sand
i has some kinda bunny avi and a star wars trooper avi i use lol
plush nymph
i have a tiny watermelon
tacit plank
I have a good 120 lolis
plush nymph
🍉
kindred sand
i found it from a queue on steam and saw a friend played it so i joined and almost immedietly ppl added me and friended me and i seen more friends join too
tacit plank
Get dynamic bones
kindred sand
snuggles elire alot
plush nymph
will have to look up how to do that lol
kindred sand
gives everyone in here muffins and cookies cuz its so fun with awesome ppl and a cool game
plush nymph
🍪
kindred sand
oww ima need some food i only has some cereals left tho ima so need to go store in bout an hour or so
twin jacinth
I don't remember how i found vrchat
but what i do remember is the first time i joined in i was met by 10-20 Japanese people in the old hub
that was pretty awesome tbh
tacit plank
Which old hub? There's a lot
twin jacinth
the one called the old hub
tacit plank
I see a lot of Japanese people in this game, they probably like technology and anime more in general
plush nymph
always gets too awkward due to language barrier so i jump worlds orz
tacit plank
Ah, quite a long time ago then, I think. It was remade when I joined around december
twin jacinth
I mostly hang out with japanese/koreans all the time
i have like 2-3 japanese/korean groups and 1 english i hang out with >.<
tacit plank
Japanese is super hard
kindred sand
i can a few words only
plush nymph
i know at least a couple words but not enough to make a coherent sentence lol
twin jacinth
Speaking is the easy part >.<
Writing/reading oof that's hard
kindred sand
but then i also speak english like at least 14 hours a day
tacit plank
I know some 100 words and can make simple sentences, but it's difficult to understand them, especially when they talk fast
kindred sand
puts a waffle on caffeines head
plush nymph
yeeah
tacit plank
I already have two waffle formed horns (pfp is also avatar)
plush nymph
i don't know enough words to understand them rip
kindred sand
hehe
tacit plank
A Japanese guy called me a grape unicorn recently
twin jacinth
I'm not sure how much i know tbh
but i've been picking up words and sentence from anime for around 5 years and then i started practicing it for real like 3-4 months ago to get rid of that ''Anime japanese'' xD
learning difference between polite and non polite words difference between this and that
a lot of work to learn new language but at the same time really funny
vocal shard
Yamete kudasai !!
tacit plank
It is fun, yeah. I never bothered to learn formal things, because VRChat conversations are very casual.
And a lot of words follow the "ko so a do" pattern, you will get used to it. https://www.japanesewithanime.com/2016/10/kosoado-kotoba-pronouns.html
twin jacinth
Yeah the formal is not really important in vrc as conversations are casual^^
but good to know the difference regardless^^
Yeah the ko so a do can be confusing though, i struggle with remembering those.
tacit plank
Once you learn one set of them, you will know them all though
kindred sand
shares cereals with whoever that is hungry ^_^
twin jacinth
Yeah that's true
rustic olive
I really need some help
queen mango
Yes, Lunar?
umbral reef
Traps are not gay-
But doing stuff with them is
unkempt oak
^
tacit plank
Bisexual at best
unkempt oak
not really
tacit plank
Though, if an artist draws a female character and calls it a male, and you think it looks good, that doesn't make you gay
twin jacinth
Hmmm
Fuck i can't explain it
but i guess it depends on the context?
like if you say that the trap looks cute it's not gay as it literaly looks like a girl
But if you say you'd straight up bang it that's pretty gay
unkempt oak
no if you have the intent to sexually seduce them thats gay
queen mango
Only the d**k makes it gay...
vocal shard
What an interesting conversation..
unkempt oak
?
twin jacinth
There's only interesting stuff here
LuL
vocal shard
Nowadays, everyone is equal regardless of gender. if you plan on making advances to the same sex, that's really your choice..
tacit plank
.pdf? 🚔
twin jacinth
Yeah of course it's your own choice and there's nothing wrong with it
but the ''trap is not gay'' has become kind of a meme and it changes most on the personal opinion of those who are in the conversation when someone brings it up
queen mango
Tbh, most traps are pretty cute...
twin jacinth
Yeah that's something i can agree to
queen mango
I could totally count Saika Totsuka as an example
thick flare
you mean real traps or vrtrap
vocal shard
Well, i haven't been in vrchat for some time now.. just recently came back for the second time around.. but ive got alot of friends who choose to be female and they are not traps.. its abit different if you are puting on an accent or rather, a voice over of that model.. that then is a lil different.
queen mango
Anime traps, Teito
umbral reef
Thinking something is a female and liking it isnt gay
Knowing its a male and then is a bit
Doing stuff after you know it male is gay-
Ezpz, i solved the question
twin jacinth
Yupp pretty Oclac
queen mango
Uhh... flushes
Yeeah... About that...
What if a trap decides to get it on with a girl? Would it look like yuri?
twin jacinth
it would look like it but same logic as Oclac used
vocal shard
I find that mostly all models in the anime genre look the same male/female, a different shape of the face a glisten in the eye.. forbidden love.. sometimes its difficult to tell if a model is male/female if it is not anatomically correct. Although saying that.. men/women come in all shapes and sizes.. such is the world in which we live.
tacit plank
I think that you should be told "Axpect to spend at least 20 hours playing before being allowed to upload content" somewhere, maybe the tutorial?
Just so that new players can have confidence that they will rank up sooner or later
Also I guess it should only show for non-steam users
hollow oriole
tfw I wasted 15 hours of vrchat play by using my steam account instead
tacit plank
Lol I had about 300 on mine. Rip, right?
hollow oriole
better late than never haha
twin jacinth
400 on mine lol
i regret it now
hollow oriole
geez you guys make it looks like I have it easy lmao
vocal shard
hm.. well thats a choice or rather something to add possibly, i do believe that having people upload straight off the bat is a really bad idea.. i stick to map creation and not bother with modeling simply because its not my thing, but i always did see some really crazy avatars as in troll mostly from new users.. or same avatar used over and over.. and so the story goes.
tacit plank
15 hours is just a session or two
hollow oriole
I was playing from like 10-2 for 3 days, not too intensive yeah
twin jacinth
Yeee
most people tend to leave vrc up afk though
But to upload you need it to be active hours, not afk.
hollow oriole
how does it even track that I wonder? impressive
tacit plank
Probably in a rather stupid way lol
ruby needle
Tracking online activity is not hard 
tacit plank
"if hoursSinceLastRoomChange>5 assumeAfk()" or some other bad system
Unless it actually looks for movement and such
twin jacinth
Aaah well that'd be bad
also friends makes it faster
i made a vrc account played like 5 hours and added all my friends
got it really fast
hollow oriole
I have 9 friends atm but they uh... copied over from my steam profile somehow
do they still count?
vocal shard
I have a few thousand.. but i really dont know half of them or remember them because its been a while for me.
hollow oriole
I've only added people I know and people who made an impression on me so far
twin jacinth
Damn
I have like 50-100 but i mostly keep with friends i currently have so most of the time it's friends of friends
vocal shard
Yes, thats half the trouble.. people who joined my map and recognised that i was the owner instantly added me and i shouldn't of gone along with just accepting but i did so anyways and this was the result.
hollow oriole
yeah I can't do that facebook-y "have thousands of unknown friends" methodology lol
twin jacinth
Yeah i prefer to know the friends on my list :P
vocal shard
I've been a vrchat member since the very early days 😛
Back when the old lobby was the new lobby.
oh back when you could play the game without getting crashed, screenshaked or gettng your avatar stolen
good times
Well, if you want to put it that way yes.
it's exactly how it was
twin jacinth
I started in Septemeber 2017
🤷
Still only 50-100 friends xD
vocal shard
i have probably like 50 friends and started to play since mid-july last year
i cleaned my list recently
like 200 people that didnt get online since months ago
twin jacinth
i cleaned mine as well when switching over from steam to vrc
vocal shard
Yes.. well people begun to experiment with their client and alter maps that were public even around that time, most of those players are gone nowadays, banned. But it obviously continued in down another path.. as soon as people realise they can exploit, its up to the team to fix and if it isnt more and more will be taken advantage of.
twin jacinth
A bit change of topic but window 10 dark mode is coming?
Damn i've been waiting for this
ruby needle
queen mango
Windows 10 Dark mode?
grand zealot
The hell is windows 10 dark mode?
queen mango
Alright, move this to RC, boys!
vocal shard
I thought it was common place for microsoft to strike from the shadows, whats up with dark mode? isnt bill gates soul dark enough?
fpaul bullying us as always
getting in the same path as ruuubick
twin jacinth
:(
vocal shard
ohh ruby is still around? haven't seen him in an age..
twin jacinth
Sent it in random chat for those who are interested
rigid crescent
ruby burrow
Cool. FBT is fixed just like I said it would be.
shy nest
well i mean
was sorta obvious it would get fixed
you know how mad people that have more money than brains would be?
ruby burrow
A few particular people were already crazy mad well in advance. Throwing a public tantrum and blocking anyone that dared to suggest it would get fixed quickly.
shy nest
lmao
ruby burrow
Ranting about it getting fixed maybe 2020, and such. That is was time to quit the game because of it.
shy nest
lets hope they did quit
vocal shard
those people need the break from vrchat anyway
shy nest
sure i get being frustrated that your expensive paperweights dont work for a little but christ, as if they wouldnt fix that eventually
vocal shard
so they can differentiate between virtual and reality
they fixed it in less than 24 hours
ruby burrow
Or that even being without FBT for a week was such an unacceptable thing that it made the game unplayable, and talking about how, "If they don't revert this shitty patch right now, the userbase will walk out." etc etc
shy nest
make them go play hockey
they'll have uses for the vive pucks 
imagine not being able to use your legs in a vr game
oh wait thats like 99% of them
shy nest
exactly
ruby burrow
Just to clarify, I'm not speaking against FBT users in the slightest. Just these particular few I spoke with over that single days time span, that were freaking out.
shy nest
most fbt users have been dickish towards me, have been a couple good ones
also got flashed by a fbt user once
they aint all bad
ruby burrow
I wouldn't say they're any better or worse than any other group personally. ^ ^;
umbral oracle
The IK tracking is pretty good even without FBT. Honestly it's one of the things that got me really excited about VR again - I had never seen any other game where it did full IK tracking and guessed pretty well where my feet were even
FBT just adds a little extra immersion but even just hand and head is pretty fun.
ruby burrow
I actually really like how certain avatars feet move based on the simulated leg IK.
shy nest
ive gotten asked if i am using fbt a couple times
i guess i just have fluid enough movements to look like it
i own a rift tho 😂
ruby burrow
I've had people ask if I had FBT, just because I've figured out how to get them to move in a few deliberate ways for a specific avatar.
shy nest
being emotive with your movement helps aswell i guess
people that have like zero movement while using vr disappoint me
umbral oracle
some people are really amazing with their hand gesturing.
ruby burrow
Getting a precise level of crouching seems to help lock the feet into a certain state, or at least "persuade" them to act a particular way. Then you kinda creep sideways until they snap into place.
And you can get this weird wide legged stance, and do some silly arm motions to match it.
Well a lot of people have more limited play spaces, or just only play whilst sitting at a desk regardless. Tends to result in the more stiff "Desktop with arms" look.
umbral oracle
honestly I'll do that sometimes when I get tired, just sit in a chair and hit sitting mode. Though often that's a good sign I should take a break and sign off.
ruby burrow
Is why I prefer to stand centre room, at least for as much as my feet and stamina will endure. I sit during quiet moments or when the group ends up stationary for a while.
umbral oracle
half the reason to have FBT is so you can sit on the floor and look that way and not be in a weird squatting position
ruby burrow
Heh, yeah. That's probably the most common reason for me to get jealous of FBT.
umbral oracle
they should just have an option like seated mode to be like sitting on floor
and let desktop users do the same. I'm all for desktop users getting more control. I love that they added prone/crouch
heck, maybe a way to hold left button to drag left arm and hold right button to drag right arm
then desktop users can move their limbs
ruby burrow
It's a little ironic, the idea of wanting to buy some fancy motion capture devices, largely for the purpose of being able to lay motionless on the floor. xD
But that's the part that keeps tempting me.
umbral oracle
one of my dreams from even before I knew about vrchat was to be able to dance with a MMD character in VR. FBT brings me that much closer, now it's just down to my poor dancing skills xD but that won't stop me trying
ruby burrow
Heh, yeah I've done that too. Really hard to keep up with most of them though. ^ ^
vocal shard
little by little you will actually learn how to dance properly in VR
just a matter of time
ruby burrow
Not without legs I won't. xD
That's counter intuitively one of the few reasons persuading me against getting FBT. That once I've got it, I'll be expected to do something with my legs, rather than just swaying side to side to automate them without any expectations of them doing something decent.
Also, that whilst I'm fortunate to have a decent sized playspace, I'm upstairs and the floor isn't the most solid. So any more mobile prancing or hopping about isn't really an option.
Unless I'm ok with making a huge racket, and slowly wrecking my floor boards.
vocal shard
My playspace is smaller
I have legs
@ruby burrow
It will be bigger when i move tho
I have a fair amount of play space but my ceilings are only 6"5 and im 6"2 so.. i smash the ceiling many times with touch controllers..
meager solstice
Rip
ruby burrow
How do you know your playspace is smaller than mine? Where are your hidden cameras!? D:
Yikes. That's a low ceiling.
vocal shard
playspace should account for height and height of ceiling.. it doesnt and yet.. trust me thats vital.
Yeah.. this place is a tripple converted garage that was turned into a studio/pad
ruby burrow
My room has just enough room for me to place a 45cm ruler vertically above my head when standing. I'm 6'1.
So that's a decent enough space above me, but I do still hit it occasionally.
ruby burrow
Mainly only in games like Yougan Ball or such though.
ruby burrow
Heh, kk. That's smaller yeah.
ruby burrow
Hmm. I don't have a measuring tape on hand.
vocal shard
My bed and desk arent counted
I can lay on my bed in vr with legs
I figure my room is 220" in length but you have to consider whats around you and what blocks sensors path even if you have 4 sensors.
I use oculus and vive trackers
I've never laid on my bed in vr because.. well i find it kinda odd to be honest.. i mean movement wise it would feel preety odd atleast.
ruby burrow
Laying down and using myself as a ruler though, I'd say it's approximately 6 by 7 foot of actual clear space. With an over hanging area around it, where the bed, desk and trunk thing are, on three sides.
vocal shard
depends on the game.. and i will say no more on that matter figure it out lmao
@vocal shard
😏
ruby burrow
Gives me a pretty nice area to stand and still have arms reach on most sides.
vocal shard
Yes.. VR has many uses.. 😛
ruby burrow
If I stand against my bed, I can safely flail my arms without a hope of hitting anything.
vocal shard
I've got legs squishy.. but i dont do much moving so for all its worth i may as well be in a chair myself
ruby burrow
I have legs but no means to track them. :v
vocal shard
im out of bed and on the computer non stop everyday and been doing it for 30 years and im still alive somehow. lol
ruby burrow
Although with all the over time my work is giving me, I probably might as well change that.
That used to be me too, Omega, but I've currently got a physical job that pretty much consists of lifting and squatting small loads all day.
So that has perhaps saved me from crumpling into an emaciated heap. Along with VR.
vocal shard
Well.. if your looking for a fun game that doesnt require your legs as such.. i will mention VR Kanojo.. do with that what you will.. lol
ruby burrow
lol
I was laughing at how that game got past steam greenlight, back when greenlight was still a thing.
vocal shard
Ah i see squishy 😃 yeah i used to do alot of warehouse work but nowadays i get paid for sitting down due to issues.
Yeah well.. the patch is manual 😄
ruby burrow
I was thinking, "Valve, you do know who Illusion Soft are, right?"
vocal shard
so steam allow it lol
Yeah no joke.. the comments section is preety amusing on that 😄
Steam is allowing submissions like that nowadays more and more.. i cant say im not suprised.. we all know how well that sort of thing sells.. they arent that silly 😛
Lol
Steam has allowed ero games forever
😂
I think as long as they have an age rating and you know what your buying.. thats the entire reason why end user exists to begin with.. then really its all on the user.. not so much them.
tacit plank
I hope they allow actual ero games
Monstergirlquest (and the RPG version) is going to sell amazingly well if it goes on Steam
vocal shard
lol
tacit plank
And maybe somebody will finally make a fucking tamamo avatar
vocal shard
what a name
tamamo.. hmm that name sounds vaguely familiar..
Ah i see.. yes it has been used in one of those.. games already by a well known creator of .. that sort of stuff i wont mention here lol
tacit plank
「Touch fluffy tail」
vocal shard
I will mention the name lewd, and if your familiar with the genre you should know who i already refer to lol
I am pure and innocent
What is that
?
I will say no more my lips are sealed.
queen mango
That means we can play Nekopara?
tacit plank
I don't know that name, but I usually only focus on the game names
vocal shard
😏
Kuro i dont know you.. so im guessing thats just a thing your saying.. but never the less not the right chat lol
vocal shard
Well.. hes the guy that put it all on the map.
Well.. we assume its a guy anyways.. nobody actually knows him/her just a user online that submits free to use material.. models animations and more.
vocal shard
Well first of all i want to know your age caffeine as im not really going to hand this stuff over in dm to anyone below the age.
im not stating in this chat lol
tacit plank
23
tacit plank
I'd have played mgq 10 years ago if I had known about it then, I was just mostly deprived of internet access until I was 14
It was a dark time...
ruby burrow
I'd be surprised if a Tamamo avatar didn't already exist in the game.
There's an MMD available for it after all.
ruby burrow
I feel like I've surely seen it somewhere in-game, during a youtube vid.
tacit plank
Google "tamamo mgq"
Flat version is best
But I guess she has an adult "True form" or whatever
vocal shard
i saw that model in-game a couple times
sleek bone
I played this game for 180 hours and I don't get trusted status
vocal shard
so ?
sleek bone
But then again I didn't play in the whole september
vocal shard
i played for 600 hours since july last year and i'm known user
sleek bone
Like....
near saffron
Real shit? Ur known only?
safe prism
Oh re: earlier fbt convo, I know a lot of people that get in vrc solely to sit down xd
sleek bone
What other factors needed for trusted
safe prism
There’s a lot you can do with completely free movement
vocal shard
yes i'm only known user
i don't really care tho
but the orange color is pretty ugly
@sleek bone nobody knows, system is kept secret to prevent abuse and exploits
safe prism
One of my friends is orange too but has defo been playing longer and has a lot more people to entertain .-.
sleek bone
I see
near saffron
Damn. That must be annoying knowing it’s more likely ur having ur shaders blocked
vocal shard
yeah it's annoying
but i'm using noenoe and poiyomi on most of my avatars
it should be fine
sleek bone
I am not into those funky or shiny shaders and such
Well, I have custom shaders on a few avatars but 95% of them are cubeds
vocal shard
noenoe and poiyomi can give you those "shiny" effect
but they are also a toon shader
so it's supposed to be working with the shader white list
near saffron
So pretty much cubed and any of unity’s default ones
vocal shard
yep
supposedly, any toon shader is supposed to work
so noenoe and poiyomi should work
near saffron
So if I made small edits to cubed, could it still work?
near saffron
👌 cool
safe prism
xiexe's XSToon is the really nice whitelisted one
sleek bone
Can anyone give me a youtube video that shows what Legacy Animations look like?
I don't care if it's obvious
umbral reef
They look the same they just get mad ein a different way
vocal shard
legacy animation does the same thing as animators
it's just easier to disable them with a hand gesture
median basalt
@safe prism xiexe's is not whitelisted
@near saffron yes but the edits won't be seen
safe prism
it was in beta?
median basalt
They changed it
safe prism
or did that get ended because of really excellent reasons
median basalt
If your shader is literally anything other than "Standard", you will fall back to an internal shader based on keyword matching.
Cubed's gets reverted to an internal shader called "Toon" or something
And only MainTex and Color are copied as properties
The rest is ignored
near saffron
Damn. Well at least it will be unlikely for anyone to actually shader block me
median basalt
Yeah same, but it still sucks
I had Eric tell me that two of my models simply had a huge purple capsule around me when he blocked shaders
Not really my problem IMO
Thanos Capsule
near saffron
No
I turned off all the”Shield” stuff right away. Game looks horrid when u can see peeps shaders
median basalt
Yep, same
sleek bone
@vocal shard what do you mean
median basalt
It doesn't really help that you need to be Trusted in order for default settings to show your shaders
And that you are still discouraged from straying away from defaults
I just leave everything unblocked, turned "shields" off immediately
ruby burrow
One thing I was thinking about, is that unless I'm mistaken, the "Animation" component has been disabled because of it's ability to hold legacy animations. Whilst the component itself isn't actually the problem.
Meaning that if the game is able to update it's version of Unity, that component will no longer have the legacy function, and could presumably come back?
If it still exists in up to date unity?
median basalt
I don't think the Animation component was usable without Legacy animations.
It never seemed to work unless the animation was marked legacy
Just like legacy animations don't work in animators
vocal shard
@sleek bone to disable an animation component, you just uncheck the little box, for an animator it's a bit more complicated than that
median basalt
Ugh, this is going to make things a lot harder for newbies and vets alike
I just realized that if I want to move my ears in an animation but also have idle ear wiggle, that will be very difficult to pull off.
vocal shard
and yes you needed legacy animation file to use the animation component
sleek bone
I don't get it. OMG
ruby burrow
Hmm. Fair enough then. Seems weird that you'd have to actively toggle it to legacy, if that was it's only function. ._.
sleek bone
I used custom animations before but I don't get the difference
That's why I asked what's the difference with a youtube video
ruby burrow
How does making animations in Blender work, regarding this stuff?
sleek bone
That showcases what legacy animations look like
median basalt
@ruby burrow the same way
ivory cloud
I don't condone using an older version of the SDK to make adding animations easier, but technically, it doesn't count as modifying it..
median basalt
They are imported with the model, and the properties are generic bone movements. As soon as you configure the model as a humanoid, it will remap as many properties to humanoid animator properties as possible.
@ivory cloud that won't work, it's enforced clientside.
So animation in Blender still works fine
Legacy animations were a niche that you needed to set Unity into debug mode for
The problem is that we have very little control over our own animators
So unless we get that, some stuff will simply no longer be possible
ivory cloud
Are they getting rid of the animation window and replacing it with just the normal animator? That'd suck for me.
ivory cloud
ouch
unkempt oak
yeah but im a kid anyway lol
ruby burrow
I made that mistake during my first day in VRC Dimesticat. ^ ^;
sleek bone
LM:pkm;l,lknpiomjl;,./
umbral reef
Ez trap life 👏
sleek bone
^
unkempt oak
lol
sleek bone
@unkempt oak are you using a girl avatar though
sleek bone
You use boy avatars?
ruby burrow
I met someone running around in a Harpy avatar. They were thrilled as fuck. Like, just really excited to have wings etc. Rather high pitched, but not squeaky.
What I thought to be a spazzy 25 year old woman, was apparently a 13 yearold guy.
sleek bone
Genderless avatars?
median basalt
Interesting phenomenon: 12 year olds physically cannot speak online without mentioning their age
sleek bone
What's the gender of the avatar are you using
sleek bone
Just asking
ruby burrow
Well, I don't actually know what exact age this person was. Just definitely very young.
safe prism
hey so
unkempt oak
its a 9 year old
safe prism
you might need to review the discord rules
ruby burrow
At first I was really digging their enthusiasm and passion for the bird life. But over the next few days, I realised they were just hyper excitable about EVERYTHING, and it started to get a bit overbearing. :v
tacit plank
What are "Custom animations" in the trust system? It doesn't seem to be gestures
vocal shard
you are actually 12 ?
tacit plank
But you can crash people with gestures which enable an object
vocal shard
@unkempt oak
vocal shard
rules are rules
unkempt oak
yeah ik
ruby burrow
@tacit plank Far as I understood it, custom anims are literally everything that you'd trigger using a gesture or emote.
Though the default finger gestures would remain. Am I wrong on that? '-'
median basalt
Use your veteran powers and figure it out :^)
I dunno
I never tested out animation blocking
ruby burrow
I guess that's something I should test out later today then.
unkempt oak
the new ranking system etc sucks
median basalt
It's interesting though
Wonder how it affects animators inside your avatar for example
ruby burrow
Since that's been my default setting thus far. All enabled spare anims for visitor and new user.
median basalt
Yeah that seems pretty reliable
unkempt oak
i dont like the people discriminating or who ever you say it
median basalt
Although visitors are basically just Steam users and can't upload anyway
There's little point since they'll always be in public avatars
ruby burrow
(Although I individually enable virtually anyone I hang with, that doesn't pull out crasher crap in the first 30 seconds.)
tacit plank
Funny how somebody who's against discriminating keeps hating on me for being a veteran
safe prism
i think it's just you
grand zealot
People also gave me shit for being a veteran quite a bit when it was still around. Not alot, but still some.
ruby burrow
Far as I understand, crasher groups keep private worlds with avatar pedestals, to mitigate bans when using alt accounts.
ruby burrow
So visitors can still have crash guns.
umbral reef
You do realize you cant get avatars from private worlds unless you can upload them?...
ruby burrow
Hmm
umbral reef
That has been an thing since the old system...
near saffron
Yeah don’t u need perms to use private world avatars
unkempt oak
i just hate the people who are trusted users and say "do not talk to the visitors" or are very rude to them
vocal shard
^
ruby burrow
Well, my mistake then.
unkempt oak
new user + i believe
grand zealot
I'm pretty sure most of those people are joking to mock the shoddy system afaik
if they're serious, they're just idiots and you should probably just ignore and block them 🤷
vocal shard
I've seen enough serious ones, kicking on sight
median basalt
@tacit plank I don't hate on you, and if I did, I wouldn't be doing it just because you're veteran
umbral reef
And as a higher user you can turn it off 
If peeps really become cunts and start throwing hate towards higher ranked users there is an way outo already build in
tacit plank
Oh, you mention it very often though
vocal shard
about the animation block thing, feel free to correct me if i'm wrong :
It will block emotes and hand gestures and use the default ones used in vrchat
so if you have an animator enabled by default (for a tail wag for example) it should still work since you didnt activate an animation
median basalt
Oh yes, every waking moment in this Discord I spend talking about your veteran status.
umbral reef
Because you reallllyyy made clear you are/where an veteran in the past
median basalt
@vocal shard I don't think those work actually
It seems like animators plainly get disabled inside your avatar
vocal shard
we need to test it
tacit plank
He asked me, and I'm not going to lie
unkempt oak
i played this game last year but i unisntalled it because of the knuckles craze
installed*
uninstalled*
vocal shard
if you have time rokk we can test it
unkempt oak
kill me
median basalt
I don't blame you lmao @unkempt oak
@vocal shard we could do that yeah, just not right now
unkempt oak
i hated it
tacit plank
And I see. I still see custom facial expressions on people where I blocked custom animations though
unkempt oak
first time i heard it was in csgo
vocal shard
yep, just DM me if you wanna test it
twin jacinth
it was funny for a while
but then it went to far
past sorrel
!help
vocal shard
@unkempt oak you should probably lay low until you are 13 btw
you are supposed to be 13 to be in this discord AND play the game
inner cape
Yikes
zinc badger
Exposed
vocal shard
Children should not have their minds corrupted.. being in here is not good for you of that age.
I hate the new update
It's soooooooo bad
tacit plank
Any reasons?
raw storm
Hey Omega, still alive?
vocal shard
Everything is disabled by default
tacit plank
A few things are, easy to change though
vocal shard
- everything is green if your shield is on
vocal shard
No they fixed it
undone cobalt
nope
vocal shard
I wanna go back to before the update
Now no one sees nothing
It's just really bad
No one likes itr
undone cobalt
evrytime i turn on my trackers i randomizes the order of what is an actuall controller and whats not
like wth
vocal shard
I'e asked people yesterday and just a few of them likes it
It's just ridiculous
they wont remove the system
tacit plank
I like it
vocal shard
they don't care about your opinion about removing it
only to "make it better"
everything else is ignored
@vocal shard And ?
what do you mean and ?
Can't i just say what i think ?
tacit plank
Only low ranked things are blocked by default, and it's very easy to change it
vocal shard
I know they don't care about my opinion
so you are just here to make empty complains ?
very nice
No
I just want to say that i think this new update is bad
Why you butthurt my dude
If you don't wanna see me complaining
Just block me
:^)
you are the one that's butthurt
what's wrong with the system
tacit plank
You need to give a proper reason though. but I guess feedback is good
vocal shard
I gave 2 already
"because nobody can see anything"
which is false
There's a hundread reasons why i think this new update needs to go
tacit plank
"Everybody hates it" which is wrong, and "everything is blocked by default" which is half wrong, and takes about 20 seconds to fix
They're just not valid points for undoing the whole update
vocal shard
A lot of people don't know about it
And i've met like 5 peoples that asked me "why are you all green"
tall storm
It's all over the load screen tips
tacit plank
It takes up a slot in the menu, and it's included in the loading tips
Anyone who doesn't know about it... Probably needs it enabled
vocal shard
Yeah i know but it looks like they don't really mind the loading screens
leading them to not know what it does
tacit plank
They're new and would likely be overwhelmed otherwise. Just tell them about the system
vocal shard
I did
are the devs to blame if people doesnt read the tips on the loading screen ?
I can't go around and tell every new person about it
tacit plank
Just the ones that ask you, surely
vocal shard
It should be disabled by default and just enable it by yourself if shaders/particles and stuff causes disturbance
Yeah but it's annoying
tacit plank
Otherwise, make a screen with an invisible shader which tell them how to disable the menu. They will only see it if the shader is blocked
vocal shard
Don't you think it should not be enabled by default ?
tall storm
Avatar and voice are enabled by default on all ranks.
tacit plank
The issue is that new players are scared away by hackers and screen shaders, especailly those who're playing in VR for the first time
tacit plank
So new players need the filter. Once they don't need it anymore, they will likely have learned how to disable it. If they even want it disabled
tall storm
That's just you
true sky
@vocal shard go to the uganda map
vocal shard
Trust me i rather get crashed once a day than keeping this ass update
true sky
i get crashed 10 times a day or more
vocal shard
This is a lie
tacit plank
I get crashed very rarely, unless I go to the pub or lagfree box or presentation room, where it happens a few times a day
vocal shard
I go to pug every single day
true sky
Step 1: Become a 
Step 2: Mimic the meme
Step 3: Prepare those output logs
Step 4: Profit 😃
tacit plank
My point was more shaders which blind you and such, new players just don't know how to deal with that
tacit plank
A few visits ago, a flying robot guy replaced my view with his own camera and moved it around the map
tacit plank
If they're halfway blinded by shaders I doubt a new VR player will calmly ask the room how to enable the safe mode, if they even know of it
median basalt
@tacit plank the safety system would not have prevented that
If it was recent that is
vocal shard
@tacit plank imagine downloading a game and you don't like the hud for exemple. You just disable it, it should not be disabled by default
tacit plank
Experienced users just enable safe mode, or blindly navigate the menu to block whoever
vocal shard
I think it's just dumb
median basalt
The default settings are dumb
tacit plank
Yeah, that's my point. DULLHEART wants it disabled by default
median basalt
Known users shouldn't be blocked so harshly
Yeah but your example is meaningless since it would not be covered by the trust/safety system at all
true sky
i enable shaders on trusted users because they wont crash me
tacit plank
What's blocked on known by default? I forgot
true sky
/s
median basalt
Pretty sure known users don't get shader access
true sky
they do have shader access by default
tacit plank
Oh, well, the safety system wouldn't prevent that one exploit, but it will prevent a good chunk of them
median basalt
Lmao
tall storm
Avatar and voice are default allow
tacit plank
And like I said, shaders that mess with your view
Known not having shaders is a bit silly, I agree
true sky
cant have a problem if you go to custom settings and turn everything off though
but still wish they did have shader whitelist
vocal shard
I just hate this update
tacit plank
Only trusted have avatar sound for me, but the only sounds that I want to hear are things like hair brushes and other fun props, not a drum set or a piano
true sky
maybe a few memes here and there ^
vocal shard
@tacit plank Yeah but it's all or nothing
true sky
😉
tacit plank
What do you mean? I can perfectly control it now
true sky
all we can say is if you hate the update, email hello@vrchat.com and express your concern
tacit plank
I'm not giving edgy teenagers on Steam accounts the power to deafen me with +20DB avatar sound files
vocal shard
There we go
median basalt
Your point is moot because Steam accounts don't have upload rights to begin with
Blocking their sounds is counterproductive because they're public avatars, and the author could easily be trusted rank
tacit plank
Steam or new users. Fact is that hackers make Steam accounts when their main is banned, and then change to their old mains avatar using a custom client
median basalt
That's no longer possible
Due to some fixes they did to the blueprint system
You can't nick other people's avatars as easily anymore either
tacit plank
When was it fixed? I've recently heard of them changing other people's avatars, so I'm assuming they can also change their own
true sky
@median basalt give them a week cause usually they fix it to where they can do the same thing again
median basalt
That one update that temporarily caused the issue where red VIP nameplates would spawn in the floor and people would repeat voices
Or the game would clone them
true sky
plus avatars they stole last update, it will be saved on their vrchat accounts
all i can say to people who snatched mine is "Enjoy Prefabs"
tacit plank
And I heard that cache ripping was fixed a bit, but it's not
vocal shard
Creates a whole safety update to counter 0.01% of the players
glossy wharf
@median basalt can still make a world with their avatars and grab them through an invite link every time they log on
vocal shard
Congratulations
median basalt
@glossy wharf nope
If you don't have upload rights, you cannot grab pedestal avatars from non-public worlds or instances at all.
vocal shard
Oh and shit on every other player too btw
tacit plank
If those 0.01% go to a new instance, crashes everybody offline, and repeats that once a minute.. It's a big improvement to stop them
vocal shard
Just to prevent thus 0.01 % of the players to crash someone
glossy wharf
What since when
tacit plank
And it's more like 10% if we count annoying shaders
true sky
@glossy wharf we are talking about the against TOS way to get an avatar
median basalt
Also @tacit plank
tacit plank
But cool, glad that it's fixed Rokk
vocal shard
Jesus
median basalt
Arguing that the trust system is good because it stops the 0.01% of hackers is stupid
tacit plank
You can't block people if they've blinded you, or if they have already crashed you
median basalt
Because hackers can legit do anything already
They can spawn any prefab into the world and crash you that way
They can log you out
glossy wharf
Trust system isnt good for that cause
median basalt
Without any avatar access at all
tacit plank
It's not blocking 0.01% of hackers, it's blocking 0.01% of players that are hackers
glossy wharf
Its good for blocking annoying users
tacit plank
But true, right now the system doesn't work too much because some exploit bypass it
glossy wharf
It gives more options
tacit plank
Once those are fixed, the system should work fine
tacit plank
And I can deal with annoying users and crashers fine, DULL, but new players won't know what to do
glossy wharf
You can help new users when you see them
tacit plank
For example, if a troll makes their avatar invisible, you can still block them in the social menu. New players won't think of that
median basalt
@true sky you can literally send them info on an exploit or design flaw and they will ignore you
glossy wharf
You literally have the ability to see a new user now and offer them help
tacit plank
They won't ask, they will think something is wrong with their game and close it
median basalt
The reason the fake mod exploit was so widespread is because Meep decided to be a moron and spread it publicly in hopes of getting it fixed sooner
vocal shard
How can you assume somethink like that
Everyone thinks different
You categorise everything
You're WRONG
tacit plank
Speaking in general, from experience
glossy wharf
Your friends might be degenerates then
tacit plank
When mic spammers and such appear, I have to tell other players who's doing it, what their name is, and that they can be found and blocked in the menu
vocal shard
lmao sarenix
median basalt
Pretty sure we're all degenerates here
glossy wharf
Speak for yourself
median basalt
I am
vocal shard
@tacit plank also caffeine, just so you know, cache ripping will never be fixed
glossy wharf
Im not a degen, im way beyond that
vocal shard
tacit plank
And you're contradicting yourself. You assume new players know every trick to stop exploiters, but you won't admit that they will learn to diasble the build-in filter if they want to at some point
plucky acorn
I'm just coming from K/M to a vrheadset and now I don't know how to play vrchat
median basalt
I had to have a VR friend guide me into the controls
tacit plank
Cats anti-theft and such are good methods. I'm not sure if VRChat can automatically do something like that though
vocal shard
Oh wow someone mic spams (happens rarely) (Blocks him) We need to disable everything to make sure that doesn't happen again right ? :^)
median basalt
When that friend got his first VR headset, we had to move to presentation room and have him write out how to enable his mic
tacit plank
Mic spam is not rarely
median basalt
Cats anti theft is foolproof right now as far as I know
vocal shard
@vocal shard not really, it's really tame actually
2-3 weeks ago it was a real shit feast tho
glossy wharf
Good thing the loading screen literally doesnt tell a user these things now
tacit plank
And if their avatar is invisible, new players won't know how to block them, are you even reading my messages?
tacit plank
These things are only easy to experienced users. The filter should not be disabled by default just because you don't like it
plucky acorn
hell I don't even know how to move with my vrheadset
glossy wharf
@vocal shard if that's ur avatar that shit cute af
vocal shard
^
glossy wharf
Cya
vocal shard
Makes no sense
glossy wharf
Have fun
tacit plank
I explained it to you already, but go on, I won't miss you
glossy wharf
Me like
Also @vocal shard its one of the updates that can be what you make of it. If its shit maybe you should try actually using it better.
vocal shard
glossy wharf
Ive met lots of new people thanks to the update
true sky
^^
glossy wharf
@vocal shard reverse card
vocal shard
glossy wharf
median basalt
How would this update help you meet new people though?
Unless you are an over-paranoid shutin who can't go into publics without blocking avatars
twin jacinth
https://imgur.com/a/rBmXK5R
can someone make an emoji from this lol? so we can actually use it
median basalt
Lol
tacit plank
You're not constantly running into crash bullets and then looking at the desktop, so you can chat more
glossy wharf
Because i can go into publics without getting my ass crashed and still having avatars visible to open conversations on
median basalt
Oh yeah, crashers are hiding around every corner
Be scared guys
I've spent literal weeks in public pugs without getting crashed, have everything unblocked
glossy wharf
I got crashed at least once daily in pugs
tacit plank
Crashers aren't overly common, but they're still there
median basalt
It seems like people get crashed once or twice in a row and then just delete themselves from public existence or something
¯_(ツ)_/¯
glossy wharf
No i still played public
tacit plank
Have you tried max-pop publics?
glossy wharf
And i got crashed at least once a day
median basalt
Max-pop? Depends on the map. I avoid presentation room because of russians and crashers though
Even in there I'm usually fine
vocal shard
@twin jacinth 
tacit plank
You could argue that it's stupid to join the instance with most people, but they do have more crashers by far than smaller instances
median basalt
Last time I got crashed was in The Hub, which was with avatars disabled.
People are moving on to network crashers as predicted
glossy wharf
See you might be lucky
median basalt
¯_(ツ)_/¯
tired raptor
It was autismo gangs client probably
twin jacinth
Fucking hell now i have to buy Discord Nitro
Thanks Sve
tired raptor
xD
tacit plank
I also like the filter because I don't need to mute or block people for annoying shaders. It just happens automatically
tired raptor
I mean i dont get crashed anymore tbh after new system
glossy wharf
^
median basalt
I think people vastly overblow how often these crashes happen. Neither myself nor my friends experience them as often as some people want us to believe
twin jacinth
I didn't get crashed often even before it
max once a week at best
vocal shard
i'm with rokk on this one
i've been in public Pug daily before the safety system and i didnt get crashed
I've never been crashed, but only because i advoid all public spaces.. i create.. i head into map see if its working correctly and then im out. no time for social in public spaces when its full of people running around doing whatever they like.
only thing i had was the particle limiter
median basalt
I know one friend who complains about crashers being rampant, but I know for a fact he hasn't been crashed in a month either.
So I'm always very skeptical of those claims
tired raptor
Btw mmd stands for?
vocal shard
miku miku dance
tired raptor
Oow okey
vocal shard
freeware animation program that lets users animate and create 3D animated movies
according to wikipedia
floral aspen
I'm willing to bet people crash because their PC sucks or the game is just being buggy, but they think "oh, it must be the crashers!!!"
median basalt
That too
tired raptor
Xd
vocal shard
Yes.. and i suppose overloading a players client with particles is to blame for their crap pc right? >.>
median basalt
That's a strawman
floral aspen
^
twin jacinth
i have times where i crash 5 times in a row but that's because of memory leak
playing for 8-10 hours +
tired raptor
I mean a good processor is needed for 8 gb ram not to crash
ruby burrow
In my experience it was fairly rare to visit the Pug for more than an hour or two before a crasher would show up. Not that I let it stop me.
tacit plank
I ahve 32GB, and if a flying robot appears before I crash, I know that it's not just a bug lol
I guess some players confuse the two though, like the guy who claimed to get crashed every 5 min recently
ruby burrow
I have plenty of reports and logs saved from just such occasions.
floral aspen
Not saying there aren't crashers, but people act like they're in every public world, hiding around ever corner waiting to ruin your day.
ruby burrow
16gb here. And I am only talking about the deliberate crash guns, not casual dumbasses spamming wide area particles.
Mainly I find as long as you're away from either the Pug or the Presentation room, crashers become much rarer.
vocal shard
it's been very long since i got crashed personally
@floral aspen Well, perhaps they mainly target people for being overly annoying, i have heard of alot of kiddies being crashed multiple times in one day before, and if there's one thing i know its people cant stand a screamer.
easily 3 months without crash
floral aspen
That isn't an outrageous thought Omega, seeing as how stuff like the KOS list exists
That and people don't take too kindly to kiddies and squeakers in my experience
ruby burrow
In fairness I suppose, I'll admit that when I see someone suspicious, I have occasionally made a habit of lurking nearby until they crash someone.
vocal shard
agreed.. i dont condone the use of whats happening but if it removes these individuals from the community so be it.
ruby burrow
It's normally someone else getting crashed.
glossy wharf
Well i can say its not my pc that makes me crash @floral aspen
floral aspen
ehh, I don't really agree with crashing a kid just for being a kid. Now if they're being annoying AF like most kids then I don't really care
tacit plank
Some rooms have many more crashers... But new users don't really know that, and won't have friends in private instances to join, etc
iron seal
honestly i've come across more annoying adults than kids lol
tacit plank
I think the system is fine for new players, and once they're no longer new, they will know how to disable it
floral aspen
not surprising since this game is mostly played by teens and adults
tacit plank
That only "trusted" gets shader access is a bit weird though
ruby burrow
Certainly not. If they're annoying you, that's what mute is for. If they're doing visual spam or have an obnoxious avatar, that's what block was for. ( And now we can avatar block instead, which is even better.)
floral aspen
yeah trusted rank for shaders is a bit much. I'd be fine with bumping it down to known user
vocal shard
Well Kids dont follow rules.. and as for that, kids appear in public rooms that should have an age rating, and the result is always the same.. of course.. we all know that we need proper moderation, its never actually happened.. and because of this user's take it upon themselves to correct this flaw.
ruby burrow
Agreed @tacit plank
The game has a full time moderation team, but it's literally impossible to actively police a user base that way within a practical budget.
vocal shard
"full time moderation"
ruby burrow
Well, they claim to at least... >_>
vocal shard
in almost 2 years i never saw a mod in this game
twin jacinth
I've seen vrpill but thats because of an event
vocal shard
I've been around a very long time an i assure you it does not. I understand what you are getting at but your entirely wrong.. you'll be lucky if they show up at all.. its always been understaffed.
i've seen vrpill too in the beginning of this game
floral aspen
Only time I've ever seen a mod is back when the game was super small
vocal shard
but that's it
twin jacinth
Pretty much Tidus
vocal shard
yep
ruby burrow
VR Pill is a discord admin. I dunno if he's one of the paid mods.
floral aspen
like back when less than 100 people would be online at any given time
vocal shard
back when the "call moderator" button did something
ruby burrow
I don't think you're supposed to be able to see them or know them by name.
floral aspen
now it's impossible to have a large enough mod team for thousands of players with a dev team this small
vocal shard
Heh Yep.. back when the old lobby was up and running.. back before twitch brought in alot of people we had a small community and that button did make a difference, not so much now.
twin jacinth
i tried it once
10 mins nothing happened
logged out xD
floral aspen
Can you imagine how many times that button gets pressed a day now?
twin jacinth
Im sure it gets abused
vocal shard
didnt they remove it ?
Should rename it "Do not press" just to see how many presses it gets a day.
ruby burrow
Personally I've never actually tried using that button. It's function is too vague, and it's results even more vague, and needs overhauling.
vocal shard
the buttons doesnt do anything since the boom of players