@magic star you were inspecting my model to come up with your ideas from that benthehybrid guy that ported the models, am I correct?
#vrchat-general-2
vocal shard
errant merlin
olive mulch
yeet
median basalt
I never used legacy animations for stuff like tail movement or wings flapping
vocal shard
same
i used legacy animations to make stuff easier for me
disabling/enabling without the weird behavior thingy
or using "clamp forever" mode
median basalt
It's honestly a pain to set up an enable/disable for animators, but at least a lot of things can be prefab'ed
Or F2'd
I still don't get why you can't F2 an animation if it is currently referring to a component on itself
sleek bone
In simple english, why does the removal of legacy animations worry creators?
grand zealot
Is the beta moving out to release today? I've been told so.
umbral reef
@sleek bone They have to relearn and redo most of there old things
Almost everything can be done still but its a lot harder for most cases
mellow lynx
Hey guys is anyone wanna make the model of DOOR KUN
umbral reef
Most old animations
Can go from simple blinking or tail wagging (what can be changed with just an explanation) to the hella advance animations
sleek bone
They use anims right?
umbral reef
I dont do complex animations myself (only just do the blinking and toggle stuff) so cant really help with how the diffrence works
Could maybe ask the more knowledge peeps within an avatar server or animation server and if its to much work use #avatars-2-general and ask there ;p
rigid crescent
@grand zealot if you heard anything about the beta and it's not under announcements odd are it's a lie
Tends to go for most things vrchat related.
grand zealot
Nah, just a few friends told me that. Figured I'd ask.
median basalt
@sleek bone legacy animations can be enabled/disabled at will
This is quite a bit harder on animators
Additionally, animators acquire locks on properties, legacy animations do not.
opaque hawk
Anyone have any tips for removing B.O from my vr headset
Sanitation wipes are not cutting it anymore
rough pulsar
Vive or Rift or something else? If Rift I imagine it might be a bit harder due to the fabic interior.
You could try making sure the lenses are safely covered and use some deodorizer spray. Might even be worth checking in with manufacturer support to see if they have any recommended cleaning methods or advice on what parts are more delicate than others.
ruby needle
most smell should come from the foam that sits in between the HMD and the face which is removable / replaceable
opaque hawk
Oh it’s a dell wmr. Only has foam on the edges
rough pulsar
Yeah, that's usually the worst place for odour accumulation.
Using some padding that has a nonporus cover (vrcover make some decent ones) makes cleaning them thousands of times easier.
Oh in that case 99% of it will be in the foam padding. I don't know how much it varies across WMR HMDs but if the foam is removable then giving it a good wash in warm water will help loads.
rough pulsar
Hopefully they didn't cheap out and used velcro like any reasonable designer would.
opaque hawk
Lol I wish it was Velcro, then I could just throw it in the wash with borax
rough pulsar
Oh, so it is glued to the HMD? That's a bit shit.
opaque hawk
I got what I payed for. I least I find the headset comfortable
vocal shard
really? the acer, lenovo, and hp had velcro padding
odd beacon
I have an Acer WMR, and mine has velcro
rigid crescent
I'm surprised my vive foam isn't absolutely disgusting smelling. I dont sweat much, but I've worn it over a thousand hours.
opaque hawk
Maybe I should double check
rigid crescent
I've compared it to the backup foam and somehow there's no difference.
rough pulsar
Mic I'd suggest giving it a wash at this point. I found that after long enough it begins to cause mild skin irritation and washing it almost completely stopped that. Until it got dirty again.
rigid crescent
Oh i swapped it for the narrow face one a hundred or so hours ago. Are the vive ones washable? I heard that but wasn't sure
I'm guessing a bucket and a few drops of dish soap should do the trick?
vocal shard
same for the rift, i got mine for 2 years now
never had any smell on it
but i wash it after several months
rough pulsar
Kinda. The way I washed them was get a bowl of warm water and first soak it in so it was totally wet, then I'd gently but firmly rub my thumbs along the whole thing. It became pretty obvious how nasty it had got as the water got dirtier.
Didn't use any soap. Then just left to dry.
vocal shard
for the rift, they suggest to use anti-bacterial wipes also
rough pulsar
Yeah, they're good for intermediate cleaning. Doing the occasional deep clean is also a good idea.
rigid crescent
I'll try that one when I get home. I got beatsaber recently so I'm sure this other pad will get dirty fast
Will post picks of how gross the water is later.
rough pulsar
Haha, if you got beat saber I'd suggest getting one of the not-really-leather replacements from vrcover.
vocal shard
☝
opaque hawk
Read a reddit post, dell doesn’t have Velcro it appears. Looks like it’s baking soda and febreeze for me
rigid crescent
Are there covers for them you can buy?
rough pulsar
opaque hawk
The reddit post was actually about that company Gallium linked. Their covers don’t support my headset
median basalt
You're on WMR?
opaque hawk
Yes, specifically the Dell one
modern sand
Nah, there's much older ones 😉
opaque hawk
@civic grail can you go into detail on how to do that, it looks glued to me
ornate cobalt
@modern sand i was screenshot hunting, but seems all of the screnshot links are dead 😦
modern sand
not surprising 😉
opaque hawk
so the plastic comes off, with the foam 🤔
umbral reef
Its still amazing how pretty much every group went from Skype to slack to discord 
floral narwhal
I can upload several custom avatars and switch between them, right?
night night
Yes
velvet quarry
Hundreds if you'd want to, though at that point the menu starts glitching out a bit.
umbral reef
You will first have to make an VRC account and obtain enough trust 'points' within the trust system to be able to download
opaque hawk
I also recommend trying to make avatars at some point, it is very full filling
cerulean dust
Just out of curiosity, is there another hidden reason why the SDK limits avatars to 20k polys that we don't know of. Initially I thought it was for performance reasons and then I found that a lot of people were able to bypass that without much performance falloff.
I can kinda see how having 15 50k poly avatars is worse than 15 20k poly avatars in a room. But wouldn't multiple materials and unjoined meshes be worse for performance?
So why is the 20k limit the only thing being forced by the SDK?
opaque hawk
I only have a theory
umbral reef
The reason we got given is that it teaches users to learn how to optimize there avatars
And as an FYI, 20 20K avatar or 20 50K avatars doesnt matter...
opaque hawk
Oh my theory lines up with reality
umbral reef
The lagg reducing is all about lowering drawcalls
And that can be done mainly be having not a shit ton of materials on avatars and having as little dynamic bones as needed
Polys only add (or well double) the drawcalls once they go above 56K or 65K, forgot the right number as i always mix them up.
opaque hawk
Atlas your textures 👍, its worth it.
umbral reef
Or lets cats plugin atleast help with some of the stuff 
cerulean dust
I wonder if the logic goes like this. By limiting the polys, you're limiting the amount of detail and/or extra props you can add to your avatar. Hence reducing the number of materials, bones etc?
umbral reef
No as you can legit throw up like 10K materials if you wanted to without any problems
And you can add an infinite amount of bones really...
And throw the script on them
cerulean dust
Yeah, something doesn't add up here.
Wish the devs were able to shed some light on the topic.
umbral reef
Its hard to get any information from the devs
Lets ignore how hard it is to get an full explanation from them...
rigid crescent
Yeah I just genuinely want to know why it's even a "rule" at this point.
It's in the TOS afaik, so something like 90% or more of users are breaking it
Sorry. Not users, avatar creators.
umbral reef
Well that does not really make it a reason to allow it
(The reason that it helps nothing is imo...)
And it does not harm an large part of the userbase at all so they have bigger problems to hunt for
It takes them an fair while already to ban the bad users because of the sheer amount of reports they are prob getting
rigid crescent
Why leave it there though? I get that everyone jumping off the bridge doesn't make it ok, but banning/warning modders would likely take all of an hour or so to put into place.
Compared to having to verify each report
I'm not advocating making it bannable, but it's a weird thing to not address one way or the other, especially after so long.
opaque hawk
Lol I am the 10%
cerulean dust
Imo, it's counterproductive to enforce a rule but not a give a reason why It's there.
I'm sure a lot of sensible players will stop bypassing the poly limit of they knew that there was consequences ( I'm talking performance, server load etc.) for doing it.
rigid crescent
Well they know about materials and look at some of these world a avatars lol
I wonder if uploading an avatar world with a decreasing material count until it gets approved would help you figure out what their "acceptable" amount is
slim temple
it's not as cut and dry as that though
you can have 10 material slots and less draw calls via texture atlases
or instanced shaders
in a technical sense there are ways to optimize draw calls on materials, but polycount is one thing they can control, even if the performance hit is minimal
umbral reef
If people dont often even realize that polys dont directly add onto lagg problems i dont mind having the base rule of 'less shader and less dynamic bones is better performance'
slim temple
th less shader thing is already being addressed, hence default shaders
rigid crescent
Oh really? I didn't realize that 10 wasn't just 10 either way
cerulean dust
Would it be possible to limit the material count in the sdk?
slim temple
yeah, 10 material SLOTS doesn't nessisarially mean 10 draw calls, or if those draw calls translate into set calls, or if they are less or more performant
rigid crescent
Are there still default shaders? I wasn't able to see Noe/Xiexe etc in the beta this time.
slim temple
for example a material that just has material properties and no texture, just uv mapping and a built in color might cost next to nothing
opaque hawk
Yes, it’s just not working properly atm
slim temple
for the same reason why gpu compute particles don't cause lag for most people, it's optimization.
rigid crescent
Really? I dont feel as bad for using 10 materials for my eyes and nails then lol
5 and 5 I mean
slim temple
that's a bit excessive
if they have textures
if they don't have textures and you're using an optimized shader with instancing so that the mesh calls are batched, then in that case not so bad
rigid crescent
Nah, just solid materials. I stopped using it a while back since i upgraded and forgot to separate my new eyes from my face and nails from my hand.
slim temple
but it's all very technical
rigid crescent
Just standard metallic
slim temple
metallic has another issue
And that's based on the world you're in. If you're in a world with realtime lighting and you have reflections and such turned on, then you're calling way more set calls and lighting
if the world is optimized and has reflection and lighting probes however, it's probably fine
then there's post processing
when it comes down to it though, the freedom that vrchat gives you also has responsibility for both world makers and avatar creators
umbral reef
Most users are FAR from realizing even that materials can cause problems...
So imo keeping the 'rule' simple and just going from the average user who uses them 25 MMD avatars would work
cerulean dust
I wish whatever they use for checking material count in Avatar worlds become a part of the UI. Might make it easier to identify and disable unoptimised avatars.
slim temple
that's a lotta variables. XD
At it's core, vrchat is a game about modding
lots of people made skyrim a game about modding too, and a lot of the things that break skyrim are mods interacting with one another
now vrchat has some limits which helps, and unity itself has streamingassets which is essentially a modding engine
so MOST things don't break, but at it's core users still have to know what's up. Or, you end up making tons of work or tons of limits, you can't have both it seems
cerulean dust
Yes, but there would be a line between lazy optimisation and actual creative work.
slim temple
indeedy
umbral reef
Well most freedom on avatars for the advance stuff isnt there at all (so preventend/limited by VRC)
And the simple stuff like basic optimization isnt pushed for at all
slim temple
not so simple is all I'm saying
I mean to detect, most of all
becuase it's not just avatars in a blank box, it's how they interact with other avatars and the world's physics/lighting/etc
one huge optimization you can do is removing colliders on dynamicbone
if you can live without them the cpu hit goes way down
umbral reef
True but at the core- There are 'easy' ways to tackle this stuff
slim temple
to be fair to the devs what might be "easy" might also break a great deal of stuff
umbral reef
Its far from great or perfect because well- Its an sandbox and limiting the tools you get will just mean people will find other ways to do there stuff still
cerulean dust
I'm not saying everything should be crazy optimized. But if they put a reasonable limit on everything. We might see less of the edge cases where an avatar shows up with 30 materials or 200 dynamic Bones.
slim temple
as a dev myself it goes far deeper
rigid crescent
Wont removing them stop you from touching vr boobs though ;_;
umbral reef
(Ow most avatar creators are user to the devs ruining avatars with 'easy to fix' things )
slim temple
oh! If the colliders are not ALWAYS interacting it's not so bad
rigid crescent
Oh, touching other boobs ears would still work?
slim temple
like if they're on your hands
and you're not interacting with your hair 100% of the time, the physics calcuation isn't hitting everyone's cpu that can see it
it's only while it's happening. Some people have things like a capsule on their head
and like 4 bones per hair piece constantly interacting with it. That's a little rough on cpu
candid hare
umm .. is open beta back?
slim temple
yus
candid hare
changes?
rigid crescent
announcements page
cerulean dust
It seems more buggy this time around.
rigid crescent
Why does that channel even exist lol
candid hare
are we still unable to see non-beta users?
ruby needle
the beta and live clients are not compatible with each other yes
and that is how it's supposed to be
candid hare
not the open one at least
rigid crescent
Everyone on the old client is havin a good time lol
gloomy valve
Im considering of doing a documentary where i interview crashers and ask why they do what they do...thoughts ?
vocal shard
half of them will say "because it's funny" and the other half will say "to defend myself"
floral aspen
^
ionic imp
hey can someone show me how to download the beta?
ivory folio
Right click VRChat in steam -> properties -> betas -> choose open beta from the drop down menu
ionic imp
humm it wont let me select it
ivory folio
you need to close vrchat first
ionic imp
i think i need to get a beta access code
zinc solar
Anyone know a well active Discord that I can help, something focused on games and stuff?
I feel like a machine without a purpose when i can't help anyone
ionic imp
damn now i found out that some of my avatars animations/ emotes to write and such dont work
ivory folio
are they legacy animations?
gloomy valve
@vocal shard well i mean there has to be a bit more to it than that.
vocal shard
omg! the past 3 days i've been on vrc, every world has crashers! its like they are trying to get as many people crashed before the new update goes live.
it's nuts. they are every where!!!!
opaque hawk
Play with friends in friends+ worlds then
vocal shard
thing is. i usually am in private worlds but thought i'd spend time in public worlds. BIG mistake... it's unplayable in public worlds!
opaque hawk
@ionic imp you won’t see non beta people when you play in beta
ionic imp
well ima stay out of beta then for a bit
vocal shard
the last beta wasn't supposed to be used on live servers either
opaque hawk
That’s a old meme lol
rough pulsar
Use the beta if there's stuff you need to test, or want to see some upcoming features.
Not because you want them features now.
opaque hawk
The beta is going to be really bad for mute users. Their pens trails don’t appear
If anyone has tested this yet. If a trusted user appears as a user do they receive the same safety blocks as user rank
neon flume
Yeah I was concerned about the finger pens too. Considering the particle limited does a good job of stopping particle crashes I know I’ll personally keep particles on for everyone.
AFAIK you do have the same safety settings as a user. Otherwise you could still tell who is trusted based on shaders or animations appearing. I tried it last beta though not the most recent beta.
umbral reef
That is stupid...
opaque hawk
Ok, still rather have some of my stuff blocked than being friended because of my ranking
gloomy valve
Friending based on rank is shallow af
polar elm
only friends steam users
gloomy valve
Itsnlike judging someone who dosnt soley ware supreme brandef clothes
So wait maru are playing on a steam account only?
gloomy valve
Still gonna try to get this documentary set. Could be fun
delicate ravine
do you have any tips for preventing your avatars from crashing others?
queen mango
Less particles, special effects and polys, as far as I know.
gloomy valve
Shit then im going to have to remodel my transistor sword D:
Me being a modeling noob that model has i guess....20 materials on it from maya but only 4 in unity?
rigid crescent
Literally "it's fun" or "I crash other crashers" are the responses
or just them crashing you
unkempt swan
guys, how do you think htc vive Ref. $399?
vocal shard
"i crash stealers"
unkempt swan
in newegg
gloomy valve
Refurb im guessing
No way htc would make it affordable
But how much would 2 controllers and 2 light houses go for?
rigid crescent
more than 499
gloomy valve
Fuuuuuuu
gloomy valve
I just want better trackers than thess battery guzzling wmr motion trackrrs
rigid crescent
lighthouses 135, controllers 130
gloomy valve
JeeZUS
rigid crescent
Might as well a vive at that point.
then sell the headset to someone who broke theirs or something
or just use the vive lol
gloomy valve
No wonder my roomies call my headset "Privilege Goggles"
rigid crescent
lol job goggles
queen mango
Why would WMR not use lithium-ion batteries anyways?
It's like the worst decision I've heard in a lifetime.
gloomy valve
Cost
Which makes no heckin sense
Cus thise things are litteraly cents on the dollar
So i just bought some rehargeable Energizers
And knowing my battery saftey since i vape i know that this is a safe and cost effective option
Its also just frstrating to not being able to reach ny arms up and not loose tracking
Or put my hands behind my back
vocal shard
You get used to it tho...
Can reach up or behind you outside the camera range..... Just won't stay accurate very long
finite kraken
i REALLY hate the no notes deal in vrchat i can't tell how i met this person for sooo long
signal thunder
how many followers do you need for streamer client
vocal shard
streamer client?
I think they mean the launch settings code ..... Like, if streamers can still play beta on live servers, but we can't... 
Are there any streamers action able to do that still? All the top ones right now are on normal live servers it looks like...
gloomy valve
I just wanna record my adventures.
signal thunder
hmm maybe they rolled it back then but ive ran into several streamers than can tell my rank
gloomy valve
Too much racist crap to stream on public worlds :/
signal thunder
that can*
vocal shard
that's why big streeamers stay in private most of the time
rigid crescent
They have the old beta client
true sky
They probably disabled auto updates
Guess use it if you want people to think you muted them
Or they want their veteran status 🤷
signal thunder
meh. i just want to go into public worlds when my friends arent online.
vocal shard
@gloomy valve How long do those rechargeable batteries last?
rigid crescent
Or....they want to be able to go to public worlds? lol
true sky
Yep
Funny thing is people not in beta see the mute icon next to them
Which then I just mute them back 🤷
vocal shard
Beta is up & going again, right?
gloomy valve
@vocal shard sali have yet to check tbh but they seem to be lasting longer than the alkilines
true sky
#mutegame
twin cove
https://gyazo.com/b41da077deee6d7f7d5f57dc47ddf19b Does anyone know if this a confirmed fix?
vocal shard
Hmm, what do you use to charge them? @gloomy valve
rigid crescent
to be honest, if it's a complete stranger it's not even a big deal lol
vocal shard
I need to get me some rechargeable ones
gloomy valve
@vocal shard theres a bay i place them in to charge.
vocal shard
My energizer rechargeables last about 7-10 hours depending on how much haptics is used
gloomy valve
Well im not summoning props every damn second. But the joysticks get good use
true sky
@rigid crescent I wonder if they still have their veteran status 
Probably why they still use the old beta
Cause veteran tag was removed
vocal shard
I seriously wish movement in VRChat for WMR didn't use the trackpads.. Its so un-natural & it triggers emotes nonfuckingstop when I turn or move
Why on earth didn't they just rig the joysticks to the movement and turning, is there something I'm missing
true sky
WMR works different from Oculus and vive
rigid crescent
No, it should be using the new ranks
true sky
WMR uses ATX instructions when Oculus and Vive don't use them
Most old processors don't carry ATX sadly
odd blaze
Those controller binds to joysticks also dont trigger gestures wich is handy, least the settings im use, so only trackpad does that
vocal shard
Yeah, I loved switching to the thumbsticks rather than the track pads on my wmr
gloomy valve
hey how much bettter is tracking for the oculos coming from WMR?
rough flax
I want to keep my legend 
rigid crescent
significantly better
I'd spend the extra hundred on the Vive if you think you'll wanna do full body some day
or get those knuckle controllers
gloomy valve
yeah thats probibly going to have to come later
rigid crescent
if you're gonna get full body don't even waste the money on the rift then
You're looking at 970+Tax for the Rift+2 Lighthouses+3 Trackers VS 800+tax for the Vive+Trackers
shy nest
amass a small fortune so that you can afford to deal with htc support if your vive shit breaks
and also start praying to tech jesus in the hopes that if you needed to get your vive shit fixed they'd actually return it
rigid crescent
Yeah, there's people who still haven't got their shit back yet from january lol
tacit plank
umbral blade
shell dove
hai
queen mango
Hello, Kitty. -Gives headpats-
warped urchin
You don't need to spend the extra hundred on the vive lol
vocal shard
Go to settings in what, SteamVR? @civic grail
VRChat settings in SteamVR?
Oh my god, I got it
Thank god this exists
Touch pad turning & movement is devil spawn, Jesus
mighty galleon
seven run while you can
rigid crescent
If he wants full body it makes more sense to spend the extra hundred, which he did mention he wanted
Yeah, if anyone is ever on the fence but has zero plans for full body, Rift all the way
gloomy valve
good idea.
i got my roomate wanting to get into it sooo if i can convince him to buy it off me. i could just save for an oculus lol
quartz osprey
rip my parents if i were to get full body vr... floor is mostly wood in my room
gloomy valve
get rugs and and lay down foam pads
cheap and easy to install and remove
that or just get reaaly comfy slippers
quartz osprey
hehe... sticking with rifts basic 2 sensor setup for now
gloomy valve
good enoguh. i play standing and my floors are wood, so i use sandals to coushin my feet
quartz osprey
€108 for an extra sensor is too much right now, also waiting on the new processor as the fx 4100 can barely handle vr chat with 5 people in a room( in public / 14 people in previous open beta)
gloomy valve
dude tell me about it. thats basicly a convetion budget for 3 body trackers.
quartz osprey
the 360° degree setup also doesn't work for me at least... even in a 80 cm diagonal area it says that the two are too far apart (bye 2-3 meter distance necessary)
so manybtracking issues because i got turned around lolz
polar jasper
If people could help come test some stuff in #open-beta-discussion that would be great!
fading tendon
Ayo how is everyone today
vocal shard
any idea why my game keeps crashing whenever I try to switch avatars?
shy nest
is it to any avatar? or just a specific one?
shy nest
you in main or beta?
vocal shard
main
yea no matter what it just keeps crashing the moment I wanna switch avatars
anyone hear use gearvr lenses for vive?
nvm its too late to be asking quesation
near saffron
No questions past 8
gloomy valve
Big oof!
sweet meadow
Does your avatar use cloth physics?
Unity 563p is kinda scuffed at cloth, and it can crash you if your avatar is loaded in the menu
olive mulch
ey
umbral reef
Eyo
cold talon
olive mulch
afcourse
dawn pecan
I can spend a good 3 hours complaining about Java if you want
olive mulch
@dawn pecan do it
dawn pecan
Let me start by complaining about every UI system contained within this garbage of a language
I needed to add a few button and it took me 3 hours and about 400 lines of code just to position things.
Actually, I will continue my rant in random chat
inner cape
Hope everyone is having a nice morning. 
rough pulsar
At the quieter KFC in town, having greasy nasty fast food. You bet I'm having a nice morning :D
cinder pier
KFC must be the most unhealthiest food you can eat 😖
rough pulsar
Quite possibly, yeah.
cinder pier
¯_(ツ)_/¯
inner cape
I dont go to fast foods at all
inner cape
Stuff my fanily cooks, healthy stuff
cinder pier
Sounds good. I keep to a mainly strict diet with the occasional fast food binge. Cause when u get those cravings you gotta eat
It's been almost a year since I last had KFC though
I'm starting to get ideas...
vocal shard
i don't even have KFC in my country :/
cinder pier
Never heard of a country which doesn't have KFC apart from anatartica
That's not even a country anyways
vocal shard
there was a kfc at some point
in like 2 or 3 cities
and they removed them
back in 2004
cinder pier
That's a good thing. I wouldn't complain
My countries so obsessed with lowering obesity that they've recently introduced a sugar tax
vocal shard
i don't complain either
i've been to other country with KFC
didnt like it that much
cinder pier
Do u have a McDonald's ?
vocal shard
Has anyone solved the portal easter egg on Gaia Night? Me & a friend have found a portal gun & gone to the moon but don't know what to do now
ancient fable
is the video players not working for anyone else?
wise sonnet
HI
meager solstice
Yes @vocal shard
wise sonnet
YOU PLAY ROBLOX
cinder pier
@ancient fable you will have to update the Youtube-dl.exe for it to work properly. This should be resolved in the next update .
mental tusk
Anyone else unable to open the game
ancient fable
yes i already have
vocal shard
What is it? @ancient fable
cinder pier
I have no idea what's causing it not to work then. Have you tried restarting the game ?
mental tusk
My game is stuck on the Galaxy screen
ancient fable
im gonna try using it on the open beta
analog hull
i heard there was a wall of names of people who started the game so long ago... where is that?
cinder pier
The old hub
vocal shard
You mean old new hub
cinder pier
You didn't find it that's why
Old old hub
Not old new hub
It's called the old hub
meager solstice
No
It’s a unfinished map (not public yet) it’s called the New Old Hub @analog hull
It has names of players who started playing before December 5th. (Could be wrong about the date)
olive mulch
aww man
olive mulch
my old account was made on like december 24th
lapis nebula
I have been using VRChat for 3 years
analog hull
im there, wanted to see ;-;
cinder pier
Actually it is the new old hub. I got confused because they look almost identical
earnest ermine
does using launch options to join directly into a specific world still work? I haven't been able to do that in a while, and I want to join into a friend's world however it's not public yet
I'm using vrchat://launch?worldId=wrld_ and the world ID specifically
edgy storm
It does work.
earnest ermine
🤔 hmm
lilac swan
It should, you can also use weblinks if you have the world ID.
https://vrchat.com/home/world/WORLD_ID_HERE
and then chose what kind of instance you want
earnest ermine
thanks, I might have to use a weblink until I can figure out where I'm going wrong
lilac swan
vrchat://launch?id=WORLD_ID_HERE is the command line I had in my notes that I use
earnest ermine
weird, I tried replacing mine with that, it prompted me to log in but still sent me to the default
I'll try Only having the launch code in there cause rn I have one to ensure it launches in the correct screen resolution
lilac swan
I haven't used launch commands anytime recently so I dunno what works or not
Like, in months
earnest ermine
last time I tried was before setting a home world was a thing, so I thought maybe launch options went obsolete or something
lilac swan
Doubt that would be the case, but it's a possibility
earnest ermine
ye I don't think I'm gonna get this working but the weblinks are very helpful 🦑 💖
lilac swan
Yeah, they're great! Been using them instead of command lines
warped urchin
The weblinks generate that stuff too @earnest ermine
And even better they do private launch links so you can share one link to all your friends and always spawn in the same instance
boreal badge
Hi
queen mango
Hello
frosty geyser
Holdable chairs are great bc you can grab it while a friend is sitting there and yell "YEET" as you throw them as far as you can into the abyss
boreal badge
How is you
slim temple
@frosty geyser literally a planned feature. Also you can check it out in club mechadonix
frosty geyser
haha its okay
languid beacon
Personally I don’t mind Facebook owning Oculus, I have never owned a Facebook account, they cannot advertise to me and will never collect any information about me other than my VR use.
rough pulsar
@languid beacon Check out shadow profiles. Also anyone else who has your details in their phone address book likely has given FB some of your data and you have no control over that. This isn't really the channel for it but FB's reach goes further than they have any right to.
languid beacon
I have that data freely when I made support calls and got a manufacturer’s warranty. I meant more like, pictures and family relations
They don’t even know my real name lol
While digital stores are off the table, it’s still pretty easy to buy things anonymously
But yeah wrong channel
median basalt
The launch options still work
I hate that Oculus is owned by Facebook, but I don't wanna switch to Vive due to the controllers
opaque hawk
It’s cool that oculus is trying to grab, or create, the casual vr market, but I hope they don’t abandon the hardcore market
frail widget
guys how do i use special action from avatars on keyboard? ive tried on emotes but theres only the basic ones
hoary ridge
Facebook is in the shit right now
vocal shard
like always
subtle prawn
happy birthday
vocal shard
yeah
vocal shard
Ohhhh snap. The trust system is now on live release !
thick escarp
molten hornet
Ooooo Patch is live oooooo
vocal trellis
vocal shard
The day VRChat forever changed (tm)
molten hornet
For the better hopefully
opaque hawk
Oh snap, hope the current sdk doesn’t break my stuff 👀
floral aspen
Been looking forward to this patch
opaque hawk
I’m almost done updating my world
neon flume
hype!
covert chasm
You can probably still upload using the previous SDK, so if you're working on something, you can defer updating until you're done 😃
no guarantees tho
opaque hawk
Ok thanks Tupper
hoary ridge
POGGERS
merry gale
i cant see the update on steam, i restarted wot the forki lorki
verbal mural
does this mean what i think it means
crisp pine
Updaaaaaaaate!
pulsar flower
thanks for breaking all my avatar vrchat update 👌
verbal mural
does this mean i can finally play vrchat without having my eyes burned by some flashy shader
merry gale
yes 😄
opaque hawk
I’ll probably dupe my project and update the dupe to be safe
muted ingot
it means you'll get to see the blah default shader more than you want to.
merry gale
Anyone else not getting the update on steam yet?
verbal mural
me
merry gale
nvm I restarted steam like 3 times and now it showed up
hoary ridge
Did they block shaders?
sly veldt
Takes a min
opaque robin
oof
verbal mural
will my avatars be fine if i uploaded them before the update
sly veldt
Steam servers gotta propagate
opaque robin
they released the update the same day the halloween update for KF2 came out
merry gale
yaes understand
verbal mural
or is something gonna break on the avatars
merry gale
hype for now update finally its out 😄
wonder what the next thing they will work on will be
undone cobalt
sly veldt
@hoary ridge how everything works is clearly outlined in the documentation posted in announcement
verbal mural
still wondering if any avatars might break because of the update
pulsar flower
yes Linguni
sweet meadow
Lmao
hoary ridge
I think flat lit toon should be fine
verbal mural
alright
hoary ridge
If there is a block on avatars
sweet meadow
Streamer and crybaby system now live
median basalt
Flat lit toon isn't "fine"
sand rain
Game won't update?
median basalt
There is no shader whitelist, the fallbacks are Standard or something built-in
@hoary ridge
hoary ridge
Hm ok
verbal mural
welp
median basalt
Unfortunately
Also glad to hear that the feedback about the defaults being too strict has been entirely ignored
median basalt
Ohh, right. I had missed that, thanks.
stable jolt
NOICE
covert chasm
Keep in mind that the shader blocking system only matters on users who have shaders blocked
sweet meadow
This makes me wanna go home from the party and rant the helll out of streamers and the crybaby normies here
covert chasm
which means it will not affect your friends or people you have set up to be unblocked
median basalt
Yeah, and the defaults are still "block everyone's shaders except trusted"
¯_(ツ)_/¯
sly veldt
Yup
median basalt
Newer players will probably be left wondering why people look so bad or so glitchy
sly veldt
Nope
covert chasm
I've been playing with shaders off on everyone for about a week or so
it works quite well
vocal shard
It was good while it lasted folks
covert chasm
you do get the occasional one that looks weird
sly veldt
I've been playing with it and a large group of people for two months including new folk
covert chasm
but I'd say 98% of users have shaders fall back gracefully
inner cape
opaque robin
crouch animation is bugged on all my avatars now, time to update them all i guess
vocal shard
Tupper that's because everyone uses flat lit toon to gush an avatar into vrc with no editing whatsoever
vast tulip
@median basalt of course they are. why would someone with a safetey setting on whant anything else?
sly veldt
Not gonna please everyone but this system will essentially deal with most of the unwanted visual and audio disruption in public instances.
median basalt
Yeah, the system is pretty bad for people who don't exclusively use cubed's
hoary ridge
What do you mean
sweet meadow
I think the safety system is offensive
sly veldt
You are more than welcome, even as a new user, to turn the system to NONE, friend users or show their avatar. Or customize as you wish.
rancid vessel
I got the new version of VRChat.. How do I configure the game to let me see others who are on the older one still?
median basalt
At least you changed the wording on the safety system
vocal shard
Nobody will suddenly love them because you have a new system
vast tulip
this system has nothing to do with cubed shader. your shader just needs to have the variables named correctly
median basalt
So it no longer implies that you can't be safe without being on maximum
shadow wagon
wait cubed is whitelisted?
sweet meadow
Why would a normal eduated person block art?
vocal shard
They changed the menu placement. 
verbal mural
If a shader was blocked/disabled would it default to standard?
vocal shard
Yep
hoary ridge
🤔
vocal shard
But still cool update
verbal mural
okay so thats fine
vocal shard
Block cubeds
inner cape
Now just fix avatar stealing and the game should be back on track
Maybe then they will add cool stuff for avatar makers, since they've only been taking away
austere gulch
Welp, there goes all of my animations + blinking on all of my avatars. Thank god I've got University so I don't even have time to play anymore but still FeelsBadMan
vocal shard
Also
shadow wagon
damn what a shame
vocal shard
It wasnt updated in a goddamn year
vast tulip
if the shader has any hints in it that it is a toon shader, it then tries to fall back to a custom toon shader, not based on anyone's specifically
not standard
median basalt
@shadow wagon no
fading osprey
I'm still waiting for the chair avatar update. My friends made cars I could ride in and swing sets. Good times
fresh tiger
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
median basalt
Yeah, the chairs were supposedly only weeks away and "not months"
@austere gulch blink is still possible
I made a prefab for world objects and for blinking that doesn't use legacy
Perfectly usable
austere gulch
I used legacy animations for my blinking so I could disable them for specific gestures (eyes closed / etc.)
median crest
<- been playing vr vchat wince the beginning but is a known user. lol why do I play this game anymore
languid bridge
REEEE FULL BODY BROKE
median basalt
@austere gulch that's also possible, included in my prefab
vast tulip
@austere gulch https://vrcat.club/threads/avatar-toggleable-objects.2414/
still lark
@median basalt Do you want a hug? https://i.scruffyrules.com/TcIS5M.png
shadow wagon
so is true that fbt is broken?
uncut gorge
@covert chasm seriously roll this shit back
rancid vessel
@placid umbra I got the new version of VRChat.. How do I configure the game to let me see others who are on the older one still? Some people like a while back told me they were on the beta and had set launch options to see people on the older non-beta version.
kind wedge
You can disable animators using special property keyframes. I use it now
tidal aspen
would there be a way to test how the fallback shader would look besides having someone else check for you
hearty wyvern
Dope update. My processor thanks thee
median basalt
Nope
earnest ermine
thanks for the update dads, time to relax in publics
median basalt
@tidal aspen
placid umbra
@rancid vessel Tell your friends to update
vast tulip
you cant do that
median basalt
Well, unless the builtin shaders are included in the SDK
rancid vessel
I can't see them to tell them though 😦
velvet quarry
@rancid vessel You're not able to do that at this point.
lapis wedge
what the hell is this crouching animation?
tidal aspen
I’d just wanna know how well the values would transfer without needed to constantly upload and have someone else check
median basalt
Did they fix desktop idle animations being 0.166667 speed?
opaque robin
@lapis wedge its stupid
median basalt
And the weird shuffle when you stop walking too
candid acorn
vrchat
fix
😏
opaque robin
its kinda broke the MMD world too
near saffron
Is full body broken for anyone else?
lapis wedge
10/10 bring back the old update IGN approves
languid bridge
YES
ivory folio
yeah looks like it @median basalt
languid bridge
full body broke for everyine
ivory folio
just now there's a dumb crouch idle
near saffron
Great
uncut gorge
how do they manage to fuck up this bad EVERY TIME
hoary ridge
Rip
keen wave
Does anyone know how many hours you need to be a trusted user? ( I know it just came out) Any guesses?
placid umbra
Keeping track of everything, aware of issues with FBT and looking into it now.
earnest ermine
god I wish I had full body so I could cha cha real smooth
uncut gorge
@placid umbra are we going to have to wait over a month for a "Fix" that breaks it more?
shadow wagon
im more surprised that this wasn't on the beta branch
floral aspen
@keen wave it's not strictly time based
errant lintel
Can we have ONE update without breaking something
sly veldt
No of course not. FBT is important.
uncut gorge
this is seriously the type of fuck up where you say "yeah..we're rolling back the patch"
tepid spindle
@errant lintel Its like valve with tf2.... Answer being no.
lapis wedge
can we have the old crouch anim back please!?
opaque robin
i actually liked the old one
hoary ridge
I cant wait for the discrimmination of other colors now LOL
iron mortar
so how about we roll back that patch?
opaque hawk
I give it less than 72 before fbt is fixed 😏
turbid agate
Purples only in my lag free box
vocal shard
new crouch anim is bad looking
turbid agate
🤠
opaque robin
let me actually hug people kind of, the old crouch animation
vocal shard
custom override for crouching when?
turbid agate
you can
lapis wedge
why body look like i have a neck brace and two broken arms???????????
vocal shard
why body look like special needs
opaque robin
the new crouch animation is.... ugh
verbal mural
why body look like body
shadow wagon
wait they changed crouch animation for desktoppers?
turbid agate
You can replace all idles, walking, running etc with own animations same how you do override gestures.
opaque robin
yeah
verbal mural
they did?
tepid spindle
so FBT and Crouch animations are broke/bad.
lapis wedge
yeah and i use desktop when working on models and maps
north axle
This is VRChat, not DesktopChat.
shadow wagon
what's the point to even make patchnotes IF YOU DON'T ADD THOSE STUFF
rancid vessel
VRChat needs to fix their game to allow us to see the others on older version.. :/ This sucks not being able to see anyone at all.
earnest ermine
people who didn't beta test be like, why am I naruto running in crouch
hoary ridge
You have to update
ruby needle
@rancid vessel no
hoary ridge
Also im a green boy :(
muted ingot
didnt the desktop crouch get fixed with all the reports about it being wrong?
shadow wagon
this wasn't in beta
uncut gorge
@placid umbra rollback
muted lily
yea FBT doesn't work 
ruby needle
@rancid vessel if at all, there should be a automatic logout / update force
shadow wagon
we need to get back. back to the future
lapis wedge
@north axle A lot of vr users prefer jumping on in desktop mode when working on maps or models
tepid spindle
Not me.
sterile drift
Huh, is it supposed to say "BETA" under the Safety still?
north axle
Desktop users were a mistake.
sterile drift
Lol
hoary ridge
Wtf
shadow phoenix
Still no support for arrow key movement. This is literally in Unity beginner tutorials
carmine dew
What rank is everyone? o3o
muted ingot
fullbody is a mistake
sterile drift
Also I was gonna ask when I saw the name "Pun Demon"
tidal aspen
it's always fun watching the shitshow in this chat after an update
verbal mural
im user @carmine dew
sterile drift
"Is that Pan Dimian?"
shadow wagon
desktoppers rise up!
sterile drift
DeskTupper.
verbal mural
desktupper
shadow wagon
👀
opaque hawk
Use wasd
tranquil perch
the safty system is sitll in the early stages. May be on live status but could stil be considered "beta" if you want to think of it that wya
turbid agate
DeskTupper, rename him now
vocal shard
@Desk
fading osprey
@tidal aspen Agreed. I'm a first time caller
earnest ermine
people without vr be like, content creation time
sterile drift
I was just wondering if it was intended to stay there.
hoary ridge
Lol
shadow phoenix
WASD with a mouse isn't that easy since my right hand has palsy and can't use a mouse
hoary ridge
Us VR CHADS
vocal shard
has 2 beta phases > breaks fbt >nice one dad
sterile drift
VR Chad.
fading osprey
I wish the chair avatars would come back. I miss them
hoary ridge
VRChad
sterile drift
The virgin Desktops and the VRChads.
hoary ridge
OmegaLUL
carmine dew
Chair avatars had some big issues
tranquil perch
@fading osprey 
its in the works
shadow wagon
rip p s x and 2d shaders i guess
vocal shard
ChadTops and VirginVR
carmine dew
But still were interesting
tepid spindle
VRChad is #1, you desktoppers
lapis wedge
just seen a new loading screen "Uninstall for a better experience" huh... even the game knows XD
wispy fog
did they just break full body tracking entirely? Or is it just me? 
shadow wagon
yes
fading osprey
@tranquil perch Hopefully with none of the fun stuff cut out
wispy fog
My body kinda just flaps around, arms don't move, etc. 🙃
earnest ermine
if you don't have 2k+ hours in vrchat without vr don't talk to me
pallid vapor
Patch day!!! Woohoo
vocal shard
3DesktopChat (with vr add-ons)
wispy fog
11/10.
hoary ridge
@wispy fog Yea its broken lol
tranquil perch
ron was saying something about them smoothing out the motion while the chair moves. so they are at least doing things with it
hoary ridge
I wanna be Chat Orange now greenie :(
opaque hawk
Oh for mouse movement! I’ve set up mouse movement in joy2key as controllers and keyboards you should check that out
placid umbra
Turns out, the FBT issue might be a SteamVR mapping change. There's a new setting in your Steam Overlay settings, pick your trackers and set them to non-hand body parts. Can someone test that out?
kind wedge
☝
wispy fog
On it. :p
indigo fern
oh steamvr, you silly goat
vocal shard
indigo fern
so we can slide into DMs easier
muted lily
@placid umbra i will try that
kind wedge
I had an issue on the SteamVR beta a few weeks ago where my pucks would take control of my actual controllers. Nice to know why that was happening now lmao
molten hornet
and a person with barely 300 hours is a known user
lapis wedge
why the talk icon look like Vrpill pacman baby?
hoary ridge
OmegaLUL
uncut gorge
@kind wedge had that same issue as well and stopped using the steamvr beta lol
kind wedge
I have no idea why pucks don't map to non-hand controllers by default
uncut gorge
because that would make sense
vocal shard
median basalt
If that was the issue then why is it suddenly popping up this particular update
tiny nimbus
I too had to disable SteamVR Beta
tidal aspen
it's so you can attach the tracker to a glass of water and use that as a controller
gloomy valve
Welp, guess i cant upload fixes to my hyena untill i gibe 2 weeks to vrchat :/
tiny nimbus
Thought maybe it was just my shit scuffed tracking setup
tranquil perch
according to steam, i have less than 400
kind wedge
@median basalt that's a steamvr issue, not a VRC issue
molten hornet
sooooooo I guess im not good enough to be a known user 😦
tranquil perch
i just tend to play when steam isnt running XD
restive cosmos
Uhm
molten hornet
500 hours isnt enough
hoary ridge
I wanna be known :(
uncut gorge
@tidal aspen I think the point is, why would you ever want a tracker TO be a hand controller?
median basalt
@kind wedge yeah but if it suddenly happened after one update of the game then it would seem weird that it's a SteamVR issue
Unless SteamVR resets its own settings after an update
gloomy valve
Also im gonna miss those crashers
lapis wedge
loving my trusted rank :/
kind wedge
¯_(ツ)_/¯
molten hornet
@hoary ridge ikr Been playing since nov last year and im only a user
gloomy valve
Not really 😂
median basalt
Inb4 network crashers still not fixed and the trust system ends up only affecting 13 year old kiddies and actual legit shader users
median basalt
I got crashed through a network exploit twice today
molten hornet
hit "esc" if your keyboard or bring up menu
placid umbra
@balmy roost Steam Overlay settings
wispy fog
The controller section just lets you select a controller, I think?
I can't find it either. 🤷
molten hornet
So i guess it doesnt go by the amount of avatars you uploaded or the playtime , Maybe it goes to the amount of different worlds u go to?
opaque hawk
Did they add gamepad with vr support?
vocal shard
Chat is pretty tame this time
I expected way more shitpost
wispy fog
^
wispy fog
The full body life is painful. 😅
placid umbra
Steam 
kind wedge
wispy fog
Why'd this suddenly happen with the latest VRChat update? 🙄
vocal shard
Dont use FBT you filthy rich bois
muted ingot
i could make a bet steamVR maps keys per program and the vrchat update changed its signature enough for a new bind set?
uncut gorge
Open the SteamVR overlay menu by clicking the menu button on your motion controller.
Select Settings.
Select Controller Binding.
restive needle
wtf is this new crouch pose
restive cosmos
As i just said
restive needle
its just horrible
restive cosmos
I get a black window
wispy fog
rip brozilla
kind wedge
@balmy roost click the controller name at the top of that window and see if it lets you select a different one?
huh
hoary ridge
Mission failed
indigo fern
We'll get em next time
kind wedge
I remember doing it accidentally one time, but I have no idea how I did it
muted lily
I fixed FBT
kind wedge
Ill try again when I get home and report back my findings
muted lily
restive cosmos
Pays 400€ for FBT, can't use it Poggers
kind wedge
Im getting reports full body only works locally at the moment as well 🤔
uncut gorge
yeah we mentioned that FBT users are appearing as desktoppers to everyone else
so doing this controller binding in steam doesn't fix that?!
shadow wagon
what is this ugly as sin crouch animation
muted lily
Its working for me and my friends
kind wedge
@muted lily can you tell us how you did it?
muted lily
they can see my legs
kind wedge
@balmy roost I didn't see this happen when I was testing in the beta
velvet quarry
And you're on the new patch?
kind wedge
this is new
median basalt
The new crouch animation basically deletes my neck and it blends weirdly with custom idle
Also what the hell
Why do my feet still shuffle when I stop walking and go into a custom idle??
odd stratus
rip my private avatars cant use them getting corrupt bs all the time
restive cosmos
So
muted lily
I can go to public if you need me to
restive cosmos
Listen
I load into the game
Do my tracking
Full body works
Changing model breaks the tracking
Then i get the fucked up tracking
weary dome
can anyone quickly help me, i dont have any start properties or betas activated, but i am still starting in the beta build
i want to deactivate it
restive cosmos
I'm sliding across the floor now tho
vocal shard
@weary dome this is the client now
weary dome
it says beta tho wtf
weary dome
and i dont see my friends
vocal shard
But its vrchat
kind wedge
the trust and safety system still says "beta" in the live build
placid umbra
Yes, it's still a beta system
odd stratus
@kind wedge wish there wut be on and off buttom for the safety
floral aspen
Makes sense. The trust and safety system will likely change in the future
weary dome
i cant see my friends tho
restive needle
kind wedge
@weary dome when you open your quick menu, what build are you on?
weary dome
635
muted lily
@kind wedge My in game name is the same if you need to ask me
uncut gorge
so is FBT working properly or no?
muted lily
its working for me
kind wedge
@odd stratus You can turn the trust and safety system to "none" if you want to disable it
muted lily
IDK
uncut gorge
@muted lily are others able to see your FBT and are you able to change avatars without breaking it?
muted lily
yes
odd stratus
@kind wedge how about the personal avatars not loading up just appearing as red?
muted lily
they can see it
umbral reef
@odd stratus Can be internet problems or cache problems- Best try to fixing it is by clearing the cache
forest snow
my friend is in FBT and he looks like a desktop user for me, but he can see himself in full body
odd stratus
@umbral reef same problem on 4 frends
kind wedge
@forest snow Known issue. Check #announcements
muted lily
can i post a pic here?
whole lodge
Wait what issue
uncut gorge
@covert chasm this is the sort of thing you rollback a patch for
weary dome
@forest snow tell him to backflip, should fix it
white saffron
If you're in full body only you see yourself in full body @whole lodge
weary dome
@white saffron no
umbral reef
@odd stratus As those guys are all red for you or are for those 4 also everyone red
white saffron
Yes
uncut gorge
@covert chasm you don't take hours or days trying to fix it and leave it live. You roll it back until it's properly fixed and tested
floral aspen
fbt is cool, but not enough to roll back an entire patch
forest snow
backflip did not fix
kind wedge
@weary dome full body is currently broken, the backflip wont fix it right now
white saffron
It's a bug on this current update @uncut gorge
kind wedge
its being worked on
weary dome
wtf
forest snow
and it only broke it for him even more
white saffron
wrong ping mb
odd stratus
@umbral reef no its like for our selfs and for others we are red coz it just corrupts and wont load the bs
whole lodge
Rip dancing
floral aspen
pinging Tupper over and over isn't going to accomplish anything lol
kind wedge
Rak I don't know why you're pinging tupper 🤔 he isn't a developer
vocal shard
I know for sure what worlds will die now
umbral reef
Then im unsure what it is-
Can be that it failed to pull the code/file for the avatar after the update- Do all avatars have this problem or just some?
vocal shard
Its totally half baked
floral aspen
Tupper can't make the decision to roll back the patch
civic plume
oof
whole lodge
Gib open beta for going back a patch
umbral reef
Best part is the beta test has been live for ages 👏
Wonder what went wrong really
vocal shard
... this is how updates always are.. they break something, and it gets fixed within a couple days... just be patient
umbral reef
Often even hours 👀
floral aspen
it's like people haven't played an early access game before
uncut gorge
@floral aspen FBT not working is gamebreaking for a significant portion of the playerbase. And I am aware tupper cannot make the decision to rollback, his job is to literally liaise between the dev team and the playerbase
nimble orchid
Hey why do people hate users
vocal shard
It was not a good something
nimble orchid
Can yall stop cussing us out
civic plume
guys remember apple released 12.1 in legit 2 days xd
vocal shard
MAN
floral aspen
"significant"
you got numbers to back that up?
vocal shard
IM A USER TOO
umbral reef
So FBT peeps cant just like /not/ use it for an day?
vast tulip
I'm surprised no one with FBT goes to open beta to test it. people who use it regularly
uncut gorge
@little rune the last patch broke wirsts in FBT and took a month to fix....well I say fix but this patch just broke it more lol
vocal shard
No I mean
vast tulip
if I loved FBT I would always make sure to test it on open beta
muted lily
I dont know why but FBT is working form me
civic plume
how is it broken? what happens?
vocal shard
Finally someone who understands
storm estuary
Soo what makes a trusted user, trusted?
vocal shard
I was gonna get on VRChat but the discord is funnier.
umbral reef
@muted lily It works locally but not for other s
vocal shard
it's working local, but not for others
odd stratus
so any1 know what the actual fk is going on with corrupted personal avatars?
uncut gorge
@vast tulip I did test it, it appeared all was fine, thought I didn't consider testing whether other users could see it or not
wispy fog
To be fair, it's a lot of effort to put on trackers, so people in beta might have been in desktop mode or seated VR. 😅
storm estuary
how do i get that status?
muted lily
others too
little rune
Well, them fixing eye tracking took them a year for full body @uncut gorge
tidal aspen
i saw plenty of people in the beta with full body
muted lily
ive tested most of my models
vast tulip
@uncut gorge I heard something changed with steam vr that can be the cause. no idea what it is though
placid umbra
As Tupper said, it's being looked into as an immediate priority and will be addressed quickly.
wispy fog
¯_(ツ)_/¯
floral aspen
No one knows
vocal shard
@storm estuary be well known in the community for being sociable
kind wedge
@storm estuary the inner workings of the system aren't going to be released
vast tulip
@little rune no it didnt. full body tracking has barely even existed for a year now
hoary ridge
Chad Greens
kind wedge
we just don't know
uncut gorge
@little rune exactly, that's why "being patient" is not a valid course of action for me. This is literally the type of thing I will quit the game over.
kind wedge
¯_(ツ)_/¯
vocal shard
As it seems
floral aspen
the details of how the trust system works is kept hidden to prevent exploitation
storm estuary
oh well...
placid umbra
Pinging Tupper isn't going to get things fixed any faster, people are aware.
storm estuary
😦
indigo fern
@
tidal aspen
you mean pings don't power up the devs?
muted lily
like i said i got mine to work
kind wedge
"but tupper made vrchat he can fix it if we ping him enough right guys/?!?/1/1/?!?!??!" /s
civic plume
even apple fucked up
floral aspen
lol gonna quit cuz fbt isn't working
vocal shard
@
hybrid zephyr
Apple has always been though 
little rune
@uncut gorge I just don't understand how full body went untested
floral aspen
literally unplayable guys
little rune
It was working fine during two betas
umbral reef
Who says it went untested and that an diffrence between the BETA server and Live client didnt happen?
bright girder
full body worked fine in beta
uncut gorge
@floral aspen Yes, FBT is a huge part of the vrchat experience for myself and others.
flat wigeon
@hybrid zephyr fix everything 
modest mauve
j4keys fault
hybrid zephyr
Hey now