#vrchat-general-2 | VRChat | Page 563

fierce girder Sep 30, 2018, 2:33 PM

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And the money is spread out across all of the big and small companies

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If you think of World wide gaming as a piece of pie

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It's all been separated into incredibly small parts

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Even people making YouTube videos and gaining money are taking a piece of world wide demand

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Making let's plays of single player games

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Reducing the amount of sales

tacit plank Sep 30, 2018, 2:36 PM

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In a way it's also advertising I guess

fierce girder Sep 30, 2018, 2:37 PM

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If it's one time game

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Then no

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Story games have to do several pathways

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So that even people that watched the entire walk through are tempted to finish the game with their own decisions

tacit plank Sep 30, 2018, 2:38 PM

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Well you have a point there

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And now that I think about it, there still seems to be good games made. Like stardew valley and Cuphead

fierce girder Sep 30, 2018, 2:39 PM

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Yup

tacit plank Sep 30, 2018, 2:40 PM

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But most just seem so predictable an unoriginal

fierce girder Sep 30, 2018, 2:41 PM

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But do you even know what do you want from the game to be something?

trail rapids Sep 30, 2018, 2:41 PM

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BTW major issue with mmo's now...no one is typing to eachother in them

tacit plank Sep 30, 2018, 2:41 PM

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It's 95% graphics and 5% gameplay at best

trail rapids Sep 30, 2018, 2:41 PM

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people just wander off and doing their own stuff

tacit plank Sep 30, 2018, 2:42 PM

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That's true, the community part is a bit gone

trail rapids Sep 30, 2018, 2:42 PM

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in WOWs prime if you didn't want to talk to people you had to basically run away from people lol

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I feel like the community part has died in a lot of games now

tacit plank Sep 30, 2018, 2:42 PM

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I think it's because of how games hold the players hands too much, and also limit communication because companies don't want to moderate

trail rapids Sep 30, 2018, 2:43 PM

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yeah that sounds right

tacit plank Sep 30, 2018, 2:43 PM

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It has become too easy, so you don't need to ask anyone what to do

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And it's not as rewarding because anyone can do it. It just turns into work then

trail rapids Sep 30, 2018, 2:44 PM

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I remember when WOW didn't even have quests on the map

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so you had to ask people where to go and stuff

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and it was zone specific so it was just easier to ask people nearby

tacit plank Sep 30, 2018, 2:44 PM

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Cool

ruby burrow Sep 30, 2018, 2:45 PM

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Part of it is how artificial they make the balance. They're trying to create a game that allows players to do everything solo, whilst at the same time putting arbitrary restrictions on teaming up, or the upper level of enemy you're able to fight.

trail rapids Sep 30, 2018, 2:45 PM

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Gaming became to mainstream... average idiot now plays video games and they want an experience catered exactly to them that involves zero effort

novel plover Sep 30, 2018, 2:45 PM

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Hey, sorry for this but we're looking for some dev or also experimented people that could help us to beat the ram exploit / crash from Meep, i know that many people know what i'm tlaking about, and my team and i are willing to pay anyone taht could help us, sorry but it's really getting out of my head seriously, my gf and i bought a vr headset literally to play vrchat, and we cant play since many days cause of this retard

tacit plank Sep 30, 2018, 2:46 PM

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I guess the issue is also a bit the players themselves. After 20 mmos, the magic is kind of gone, you don't stand in the starting area admitting how fun the slimes look as they do that wobbly jump animation anymore. You just want a speedrun guide so that you can join the max level players in whatever they're doing

ruby burrow Sep 30, 2018, 2:46 PM

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Which also forces players to all stay at equal level if they want to play together. I kinda wish more would try a slightly more D&D style of combat balance, for lack of a better way to phrase it

tacit plank Sep 30, 2018, 2:47 PM

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Games are made for idiots, but I don't think people want to be treated like idiots.
And Yori, do you have the code for the exploit? It would be interesting to look at, but I can't promise that I can help any

ruby burrow Sep 30, 2018, 2:47 PM

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Where a level 12 solo player might take on level 12 enemies/quests, but a team of four lvl 3 players could also do that same quest.

novel plover Sep 30, 2018, 2:48 PM

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If we would have the code it'll be solved

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:/

ruby burrow Sep 30, 2018, 2:48 PM

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Rather than the common balance design of "This enemy is 5 levels higher than you, therefore it one-shots you and you get zero reward from defeating it."

novel plover Sep 30, 2018, 2:48 PM

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It's a mix a many popular crash like mesh etc, with photon things

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and also he can track us even while changing ip account mac adress etc

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and it literally piss me off

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particle limiter, blockling avatar etc dont work

tacit plank Sep 30, 2018, 2:49 PM

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They search your name on the website

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And join you

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For private worlds you should be safe

novel plover Sep 30, 2018, 2:49 PM

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https://streamable.com/frls1

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The point of vrchat is to meet new people

tacit plank Sep 30, 2018, 2:50 PM

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Other than that, you will have to get them banned (check who joins you?) because you can crash people even after they block you with network bugs

novel plover Sep 30, 2018, 2:50 PM

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Check this streamble

ruby burrow Sep 30, 2018, 2:50 PM

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Are you saying this guy is actively targeting you? : (

novel plover Sep 30, 2018, 2:50 PM

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Not only mer

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he target every french player he meet, or anyone that can "disturb" his friends

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The same friend taht got avatar with ear rape, crahs, screen shaqke

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and many shit like that

tacit plank Sep 30, 2018, 2:51 PM

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That's a standard client which just sends a "logout" event to everybody

novel plover Sep 30, 2018, 2:51 PM

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it's literally a bot with a "banlist"

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It fill up our RAM in task manager

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Literally to 100 %

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making the game crash

tacit plank Sep 30, 2018, 2:52 PM

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The ram one is different, but I'm not sure how it's done

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None of the hacks I've seen so far have actually been impressive in any way, they're just abusing features which are in the game but designed in an unfortunate way.
Anyone can do it, you don't need to take them very seriously

novel plover Sep 30, 2018, 2:53 PM

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i already reported all the evidence i had, even meep itself saying he is using bot and other thing

gloomy pine Sep 30, 2018, 2:54 PM

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Hey, how do I play with others on the open beta? I don't see anyone and don't feel like using it then lol

tacit plank Sep 30, 2018, 2:54 PM

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You can only see others who's in hte beta, but didn't it close?

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Oh, it's up again it seems

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Yeah the bot is not just a rumor, but the staff can't do much but patch things

novel plover Sep 30, 2018, 2:55 PM

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i heard something about a code that allow you to play in multiplayer with the beta

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i mean with people not using it

tacit plank Sep 30, 2018, 2:56 PM

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There was that, not sure if there still is, but staff says they don't want it done

novel plover Sep 30, 2018, 2:57 PM

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it's pissing me off, how could anyone find it normal that a random player can have more power than our own administrator

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Photon is full of bug x_x

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or full of breach

gloomy pine Sep 30, 2018, 2:57 PM

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Didn't they want to release the update last week anyway? I swear I read that

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hopefully it just comes out soon

ruby needle Sep 30, 2018, 2:57 PM

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they hoped that they manage to but there was no clear set date

gloomy pine Sep 30, 2018, 2:58 PM

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Kind of annoying that streamers are still able to play with nonbeta players ><

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Streamer privileges?

novel plover Sep 30, 2018, 2:59 PM

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It spread the game to people

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so i guess its fair

tacit plank Sep 30, 2018, 3:00 PM

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It's just a lack of validation, their client tells everybody "logout" and their client goes "sure". It doesn't check their rank and such like it should

novel plover Sep 30, 2018, 3:01 PM

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What's scare me the most is his ability to fill ram up like that and track us wherever even with new ip adresse mac and new acc

tacit plank Sep 30, 2018, 3:02 PM

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It's tracking you using the website

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Search a name and it will tell you which world they're in

ruby burrow Sep 30, 2018, 3:02 PM

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The devs really need to lock this stuff down.

novel plover Sep 30, 2018, 3:02 PM

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i said even with new vr chat account

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so a new nick

ruby burrow Sep 30, 2018, 3:02 PM

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It really shouldn't be that easy.

novel plover Sep 30, 2018, 3:03 PM

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it may not be taht easy

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but it should be possible at all

tacit plank Sep 30, 2018, 3:03 PM

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New non-steam account?

novel plover Sep 30, 2018, 3:03 PM

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yeah

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shouldnt*

ruby burrow Sep 30, 2018, 3:04 PM

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Seems like the whole system is just way too open.

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Even things like the basic id copy based avatar stealing, are kinda ridiculous. That an id can't be checked against the account that uploaded it and determine it's public/private status.

tacit plank Sep 30, 2018, 3:07 PM

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I think they fixed that now?

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But yeah, the game wasn't made with all these things in mind

ruby burrow Sep 30, 2018, 3:08 PM

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Supposedly yeah. I've not seen it occur since.

novel plover Sep 30, 2018, 3:08 PM

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There is literally worst than that now

ruby burrow Sep 30, 2018, 3:08 PM

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Although there's always a degree of confusion and rumour in this game.

novel plover Sep 30, 2018, 3:08 PM

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You can with a single button, upload the avatar of someone you see on your unity account

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and then it's your

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with new id

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and btw you are able to use it on vrchat

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And it's not rumour or anything else

tacit plank Sep 30, 2018, 3:11 PM

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I think you need to meet them in game first

forest salmon Sep 30, 2018, 3:20 PM

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Pretty sure you have to meet someone ingame first to do anything malicious, like sealing someone's avatar, so what you can do it just have something that records your last 10 min ingame and if someone copies your avatar you can just report him like that. You can also watermark your avatar I think that scares away avatar stealers.

novel plover Sep 30, 2018, 3:28 PM

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With what i was talking about, it does not swtich avatar in first place, it upload it on your unity account

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And with a unpacker you can also remove the watermak

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But yes, you have to meet someone to do that first

forest salmon Sep 30, 2018, 3:32 PM

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I still feel, that if someone goes through the hasse of removing a watermark, especially if it's well made so that removing it without degrading the look of an avatar, they are more likely to be able to make their own avatar.

worldly vapor Sep 30, 2018, 3:33 PM

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All they do is usually delete like 1 mesh that is their name floater lol

novel plover Sep 30, 2018, 3:33 PM

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even when written on some clothe texture, it's pretty easy to do it

subtle prawn Sep 30, 2018, 3:34 PM

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Yee

novel plover Sep 30, 2018, 3:34 PM

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It's always easier to copy then modifying than making

cold talon Sep 30, 2018, 3:34 PM

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Photoshop patching tool hithere

subtle prawn Sep 30, 2018, 3:34 PM

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😏

forest salmon Sep 30, 2018, 3:35 PM

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hmm never thought of people sealing avatars and then using it as a base instead of instantly uploading

novel plover Sep 30, 2018, 3:35 PM

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Since some base avatar are requested, and so not downloadable to public,

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it happen a lot

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or just selfmade

worldly vapor Sep 30, 2018, 3:36 PM

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I’ve even seen a world avatar that was an asset ripped base model lol

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I’m sure they didn’t know that tho

novel plover Sep 30, 2018, 3:37 PM

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Since we're talking about this, and it have nothing to do, anyone have a good tutorial for making a prefab chair from an asset, a vrchat chair ?

cold talon Sep 30, 2018, 3:38 PM

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DeadChat

novel plover Sep 30, 2018, 3:38 PM

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Bought asset*

hushed isle Sep 30, 2018, 3:38 PM

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Ppl are lazy these days 😋

cold talon Sep 30, 2018, 3:39 PM

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Phew, good thing im not ppl

worldly vapor Sep 30, 2018, 3:39 PM

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What do you mean yorizu? Like taking a chair mesh out of a map asset and putting a chair script on it?

novel plover Sep 30, 2018, 3:40 PM

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Yeah, i have some prefab chair in an asset that i bought earlier, and i'd like to make people able to sit on it

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But what i tried was not really a good try

worldly vapor Sep 30, 2018, 3:42 PM

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I usually put the trigger on a basic invisible mesh that’s in the same area of the chair

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Just have them both in a game object

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Then drag it into an empty prefab

novel plover Sep 30, 2018, 3:45 PM

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just pmed you

vocal shard Sep 30, 2018, 4:37 PM

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I do a good trick to make chairs work, it works on all my meshes (seperated back/seat or one chunk)

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What you do is grab the premade chair prefab and put it exactly where you want the person to sit in your world, then parent the mesh (or seat mesh only if the meshes are seperated) to the vrchair component

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You can then safely delete the cubes, dont be bothered by the fact the prefab is broken if you do that, or just deactivate them in your scene if you want the prefab intact.

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A problem that arises is when you delete a chair made with this method by selecting the mesh, you can accidentally leave the script and seating, letting people click to sit on the floor (or inside the floor) which might break the map for them if the exit point is below the flooring (ie you made a basement level in your world which you scrapped, but people can still accidentally click on those chair swhich can send them out the map.) A fix is remembering to delete the entire hierarchy and testing the world well.

green perch Sep 30, 2018, 4:45 PM

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HEY

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GUYS

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SUP

vocal shard Sep 30, 2018, 4:45 PM

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HI

green perch Sep 30, 2018, 4:45 PM

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ups caps

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sorry

vocal shard Sep 30, 2018, 4:45 PM

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how are you mate?

green perch Sep 30, 2018, 4:46 PM

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im fine and u?

vocal shard Sep 30, 2018, 4:46 PM

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Good

odd beacon Sep 30, 2018, 4:49 PM

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I kinda fixed my issue by reinstalling windows, although I'd call that more stepping around it rather than fixing it

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But vrchat isn't horribly slow now at least

vocal shard Sep 30, 2018, 4:50 PM

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And to think i suggested reinstalling windows as a joke...

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GWfroggyBlobSweat

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Your fps is better at least, how high does it hit?

odd beacon Sep 30, 2018, 4:51 PM

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Lemme check quick. It's much better than the 13 it was hitting

vocal shard Sep 30, 2018, 4:52 PM

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Used to have 11, can confirm anything is better

odd beacon Sep 30, 2018, 4:52 PM

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In my home world I'm getting 90 now

vocal shard Sep 30, 2018, 4:52 PM

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👏

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90 is my holy grail, way to go

odd beacon Sep 30, 2018, 4:58 PM

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I'm getting around 60 in an instance of the Pug with 18 people in it, it's a lot better than what I was getting with my old cpu

stone current Sep 30, 2018, 4:58 PM

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any of u kno anything about the fbx file format

odd beacon Sep 30, 2018, 4:59 PM

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All I know is that it has something to do with Autodesk and Unity likes it

stone current Sep 30, 2018, 4:59 PM

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rip

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writing a parser but no work well

vocal shard Sep 30, 2018, 5:00 PM

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FBX is an autodesk file format that exports bones and material names as well as rigging

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It differs from .obj or .3ds because waveform and W3D files do not export anything other than mesh and mat values.

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FBX is also supported in many programs unlike Cinema4D files that need the paid version of its parent program to export into another format

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It's highly used and highly recommended because of its versatile nature and preservation of all the work done in the model, as well as the fact it isnt outdated

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For those who ask why rigging should be a problem for a file when unrigged free .obj files run rampart in 3D model sites, weight painting is the 3D modeller's own personal hell (for most people)

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Imagine having a humanoid (or non-humanoid) model and then having to remake its skeleton as well as paint the weights to it every time you export it to another program...

opaque hawk Sep 30, 2018, 5:07 PM

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that sounds awful, and I enjoy weight painting

vocal shard Sep 30, 2018, 5:07 PM

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^

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This is why FBX is a blessing

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~~and also why I run around in unrigged dinosaurs~~

opaque hawk Sep 30, 2018, 5:12 PM

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only thing I hate weight painting are fat fingers and high poly hair *glances over at deviantart”

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but don’t obj files also contain rigging data in the mtl files. Like you export obj from blender and you get a mtl file as well?

vocal shard Sep 30, 2018, 5:14 PM

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Mtl is for materials

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I imported obj files for as long as I remember and they've always been skeleton free

opaque hawk Sep 30, 2018, 5:16 PM

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my mistake then, I must be thinking of some other file.

vocal shard Sep 30, 2018, 5:16 PM

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Tbh I wish obj held rigging in its format

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Would make my life much easier

sterile drift Sep 30, 2018, 5:23 PM

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Like the name

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Send logs and evidence

ruby burrow Sep 30, 2018, 5:23 PM

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Does CATS include that new improved auto atlasing now, or do I still need to get the plugin separately?

vocal shard Sep 30, 2018, 5:24 PM

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Yes

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And yes

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You have to get it even though its included

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Dont ask me

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I dont run cats

ruby burrow Sep 30, 2018, 5:24 PM

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Yes to both huh? Weird, but fair enough.

opaque hawk Sep 30, 2018, 5:24 PM

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It links you and tells you want to do

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so it should be easy to set up

sterile drift Sep 30, 2018, 5:24 PM

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@vocal shard Also OBJ is just what it sounds like. An object. Sure, a lot of people who rip games improperly rip the models, so it's either no skeleton or it's just in OBJ format.

vocal shard Sep 30, 2018, 5:25 PM

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Ik

sterile drift Sep 30, 2018, 5:25 PM

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But for what it's supposed to be used for

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It's pretty good

vocal shard Sep 30, 2018, 5:25 PM

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I wish it had skeletons regardless

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Yeah obj for meshes is great

ruby burrow Sep 30, 2018, 5:25 PM

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And heh, yes, send your logs and evidence people. Game isn't going to clean itself up.

vocal shard Sep 30, 2018, 5:25 PM

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Way better than W3D

opaque hawk Sep 30, 2018, 5:25 PM

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It spooky season we need more skeletons of all types

sterile drift Sep 30, 2018, 5:27 PM

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@ruby burrow My name is for people who ask "How do I make my tail wag now?" or similar

vocal shard Sep 30, 2018, 5:27 PM

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Wait

ruby burrow Sep 30, 2018, 5:27 PM

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Steam screenshots grab nametags and can be done at any time, search function in logs provides exact name even from partial captures.

vocal shard Sep 30, 2018, 5:27 PM

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You could do that?

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Damn

sterile drift Sep 30, 2018, 5:27 PM

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Use an animator, a state machine can do what your animation component could do

ruby burrow Sep 30, 2018, 5:28 PM

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Ah, Gotcha.

sterile drift Sep 30, 2018, 5:28 PM

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Rin, I use animators for my model blinking all the time

vocal shard Sep 30, 2018, 5:28 PM

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I dont like using animators for opening a door

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I can live without a flapping wing

sterile drift Sep 30, 2018, 5:28 PM

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I mean

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It isn't too hard to set up

vocal shard Sep 30, 2018, 5:29 PM

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Its confusing

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Not in setting up

sterile drift Sep 30, 2018, 5:29 PM

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And transferring a wing flap animation isn't too difficult either

vocal shard Sep 30, 2018, 5:29 PM

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But in what you can do with

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I'm not transferring

sterile drift Sep 30, 2018, 5:29 PM

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Like you can switch it over from Legacy

vocal shard Sep 30, 2018, 5:29 PM

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"Didn't know you could do that"

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Like

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At all

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I thought animations were just emotes and gestures and that vrchat killed everything else like it does with scripts

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Guess it didnt and thats why we dont have legacy anymore

sterile drift Sep 30, 2018, 5:30 PM

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No

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Not the reason

vocal shard Sep 30, 2018, 5:30 PM

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I know I know

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Someone turned off the floor

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In the pug

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Got people to shirnk

sterile drift Sep 30, 2018, 5:31 PM

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Yea but it could be much worse

vocal shard Sep 30, 2018, 5:31 PM

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Sent everyone off world

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Worse than webpanels?

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On the same level yes

sterile drift Sep 30, 2018, 5:31 PM

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It was possible to turn off someone's menu

vocal shard Sep 30, 2018, 5:31 PM

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If you can turn off the floor I mean

sterile drift Sep 30, 2018, 5:31 PM

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Or completely turn off the world scene

vocal shard Sep 30, 2018, 5:32 PM

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Of course you can do those

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Turning off one thing with absolute paths means you can turn off anything

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Even players

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Even controllers

sterile drift Sep 30, 2018, 5:32 PM

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Like turning off the world scene would force the user to manually Alt F4

vocal shard Sep 30, 2018, 5:32 PM

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I know

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I know

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But like

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Isnt this why we don't have custom scripting?

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Like

sterile drift Sep 30, 2018, 5:33 PM

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Yes

vocal shard Sep 30, 2018, 5:33 PM

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Vrchat just butchers all non-standard scripts

ruby burrow Sep 30, 2018, 5:33 PM

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Wouldn't the steam menu still work? I'd have thought that Steam VR is independent to VRC.

vocal shard Sep 30, 2018, 5:34 PM

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Couldnt you do that but with any animation that had absolute paths or tried to leave its hierarchy?

sterile drift Sep 30, 2018, 5:34 PM

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@ruby burrow It does yes

vocal shard Sep 30, 2018, 5:34 PM

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Normal users shouldnt have to do that

sterile drift Sep 30, 2018, 5:34 PM

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So you could do that instead

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But stilll

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You'd have to exit the game forcefully

vocal shard Sep 30, 2018, 5:34 PM

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They shouldn't leave the hierarchy or go up one level but the entire thing got yeeted

ruby burrow Sep 30, 2018, 5:34 PM

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Right. Still an awful exploit regardless of course.

vocal shard Sep 30, 2018, 5:34 PM

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🤷

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Anything can be exploited one way or another, this is the unity engine and a 2015 version at that

sterile drift Sep 30, 2018, 5:35 PM

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It was more that it was relative paths

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Not absolute paths

vocal shard Sep 30, 2018, 5:35 PM

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Relative paths use .. to leave the hierarchy

sterile drift Sep 30, 2018, 5:36 PM

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Lol

vocal shard Sep 30, 2018, 5:36 PM

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Check for that

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Problem solved

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Check for \ too to eliminate absolutes too

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Just looking a bit deeper can do so many things

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But I digress

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Its no use to talk now that its gone

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It wont come back ever just like webpanels and VRIK

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God knows when is udon coming

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GWfroggySoonTM

ruby burrow Sep 30, 2018, 5:38 PM

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Once again, this kind of thing is literal poison to the health of a games userbase. Game design schools warn quite specifically about avoiding full crashes, or including UI design that let users quit accidentally or too easily. Players are far more likely to go do something else if finding themselves out of a game.

vocal shard Sep 30, 2018, 5:38 PM

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Maybe with udon we can do stuff with animators

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That if it isnt excluded from avatars

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Which it will be lets be honest

polar jasper Sep 30, 2018, 5:39 PM

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Udon will only be for worlds, for now.

vocal shard Sep 30, 2018, 5:40 PM

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Id rather vrchat updates its version to 2018 to take advantage of the new security patches if it loves security so much

ruby burrow Sep 30, 2018, 5:40 PM

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Mech Warrior Online once included a piece of awful UI design, where after every match the player was provided two buttons, to return to lobby, or to close the game entirely with one click. It of course led to a lot of players dropping out of the game either on a rage quit, or even by accident.

polar jasper Sep 30, 2018, 5:40 PM

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The problem with that Rin is that they don't have a LTS yet. So unity won't give proper support

sterile drift Sep 30, 2018, 5:41 PM

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Phaxe

vocal shard Sep 30, 2018, 5:41 PM

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LTS?

polar jasper Sep 30, 2018, 5:41 PM

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Long Term Support

sterile drift Sep 30, 2018, 5:41 PM

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What did you do to your poor name?

vocal shard Sep 30, 2018, 5:41 PM

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And yet?

polar jasper Sep 30, 2018, 5:41 PM

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It inflated

vocal shard Sep 30, 2018, 5:41 PM

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So they can get it?

ruby burrow Sep 30, 2018, 5:41 PM

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I remember hitting the wrong button myself before, and just thinking, "Oh, oops. Ah whatever, I'll do something else then."

polar jasper Sep 30, 2018, 5:41 PM

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2018 LTS isn't out yet

vocal shard Sep 30, 2018, 5:41 PM

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Just really really really far into the future?

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Ight

polar jasper Sep 30, 2018, 5:41 PM

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It's to be released at the end of the year/early next

vocal shard Sep 30, 2018, 5:42 PM

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Just saying when it comes out

ruby burrow Sep 30, 2018, 5:42 PM

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Which getting back to VRC, is why crashers and hacks like this are a far more destructive issue than some give them credit for.

vocal shard Sep 30, 2018, 5:42 PM

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Unity made a sandbox system just to help devs update their games

polar jasper Sep 30, 2018, 5:42 PM

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maybe they are working on it ¯_(ツ)_/¯

vocal shard Sep 30, 2018, 5:42 PM

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Well they better

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Job system is one of the most beautiful things ive ever used

sterile drift Sep 30, 2018, 5:43 PM

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Udon is going to be for worlds, but it's more so you can make interesting worlds without going through setting up horribly complicated state machines.

polar jasper Sep 30, 2018, 5:43 PM

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They will. Unity 5 will lose it's support this year. So no more security fixes or updates

vocal shard Sep 30, 2018, 5:43 PM

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To think updating is still "too hard" even when a system walks you through it is ow

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I say give us a few months to save work

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Then nuke the servers

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Anyone who cares about their world will have it

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And low effort worlds will be cleared out

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A lot of unsupported unoptimized junk will be flushed out

polar jasper Sep 30, 2018, 5:45 PM

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They want to avoid that. But most of us think it is inevitable because of what's different from current to newer versions

vocal shard Sep 30, 2018, 5:45 PM

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Wait

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Right

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Vrchat will probably tell us theyre shutting down a day before

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Or on the same night

polar jasper Sep 30, 2018, 5:47 PM

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When we are set to get a new unity version they will let us know in good time. Too much will change and break for them to not tell us

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But even now you should still save your work somewhere

vocal shard Sep 30, 2018, 5:48 PM

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Who doesnt save their work though

polar jasper Sep 30, 2018, 5:48 PM

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Oh there are plenty who doesn't back it up

vocal shard Sep 30, 2018, 5:48 PM

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Unity projects are too large a files to keep I guess

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I have like four worlds on my D drive

sterile drift Sep 30, 2018, 5:48 PM

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I keep my work around

vocal shard Sep 30, 2018, 5:48 PM

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And only one uploaded

polar jasper Sep 30, 2018, 5:48 PM

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Got a cloud storage device with it on. Doesn't cost much

vocal shard Sep 30, 2018, 5:49 PM

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Aren't there free cloud services too

polar jasper Sep 30, 2018, 5:49 PM

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There is, but they are limited and fills up fast when working with unity stuff

languid beacon Sep 30, 2018, 6:34 PM

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What are the chances that VRChat will support Oculus Quest? Is VRChat integrated too much into Steam for a non-Steam client to be possible?

umbral reef Sep 30, 2018, 6:35 PM

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I think the bigger problem is performance of the t hing

sterile drift Sep 30, 2018, 6:35 PM

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VRChat used to run on its own standalone clirnt

umbral reef Sep 30, 2018, 6:35 PM

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wasnt that before the unity version update though?

sterile drift Sep 30, 2018, 6:35 PM

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Yea

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But shouldn't matter, what matters now is that it's launched through Steam

languid beacon Sep 30, 2018, 6:36 PM

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VRChat scales though big public worlds like the pug are probably too much but well optimized avatars in a small world I could see being fine . It’s said to have the power of about a Nintendo switch

sterile drift Sep 30, 2018, 6:36 PM

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The Pug isn't too optimized actually

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Sure, Owl does know what he's doing, but all the detail on the map does come at a cost

umbral reef Sep 30, 2018, 6:37 PM

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Also- The game itself with its IK system and nameplates also add lots of lagg

sterile drift Sep 30, 2018, 6:37 PM

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Yeeep

umbral reef Sep 30, 2018, 6:37 PM

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There is an soft cap on the usercount that can ever be in a world

sterile drift Sep 30, 2018, 6:38 PM

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Softcap, because friends can still join in even if the world is "full"

languid beacon Sep 30, 2018, 6:38 PM

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I could see a streamlined client that ignored dynamic bones or gpu heavy shaders

umbral reef Sep 30, 2018, 6:38 PM

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Thats so insanely much more work though just to included a Switch as a VR headset

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Dont see them doing it really at all

sterile drift Sep 30, 2018, 6:39 PM

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Imagine the Switch itself having VR support

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Ouf

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The dream, but alas

languid beacon Sep 30, 2018, 6:39 PM

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Not talking about switch though referring to oculus quest

umbral reef Sep 30, 2018, 6:39 PM

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And i wonder if most of the games on that thing will be downgraded in graphics and stuff
It has to... Like, they will also prob render 4x4 with the pixels instead and stuff

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Well the oculus quest will just be an phone/switch as VR really...

languid beacon Sep 30, 2018, 6:40 PM

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VRChat on a stand alone headset would be huge

umbral reef Sep 30, 2018, 6:40 PM

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Like its fleshed out- But the power aint there

ruby burrow Sep 30, 2018, 6:41 PM

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Whilst it's a nice idea to make a truly portable VR headset, it does really feel like Facebook is intent on turning VR into a console.

languid beacon Sep 30, 2018, 6:45 PM

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I’m ok with that; easiest to get my parents into vr

ruby burrow Sep 30, 2018, 6:45 PM

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All their focus on "platform exclusives", and "A launch line-up of 50 games".
How about HMDs just remain displays, and run whatever people make for them, without locking stuff away behind deals, or gating access.

languid beacon Sep 30, 2018, 6:45 PM

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They’ll never have a vr capable pc

ruby burrow Sep 30, 2018, 6:46 PM

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Hell no. Last thing I want is a repeat of the console wars ruining VR.

languid beacon Sep 30, 2018, 6:47 PM

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The rest of vr power users can use powerful pc headsets but vr can’t go mainstream without commoners getting in too

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Console war is the best thing that happened to videogame industry

ruby burrow Sep 30, 2018, 6:48 PM

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When I buy a game for my PC, I don't have to worry about it only being able to run on a Samsung monitor due to some ridiculous exclusivity deal. I don't have to switch to a Sony or LG monitor when I want to play a different game. That's how it should be. Same for VR.

hasty hawk Sep 30, 2018, 6:48 PM

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without it there woulkdnt be neptunia

ruby burrow Sep 30, 2018, 6:48 PM

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I'm not buying three different headsets and separate sensor systems just to enjoy different games.

sterile drift Sep 30, 2018, 6:49 PM

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OpenVR

languid beacon Sep 30, 2018, 6:49 PM

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I see it the opposite. Gating access is locking vr behind powerful gamer PCs

sterile drift Sep 30, 2018, 6:49 PM

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Oculus with OpenVR seems to be the way to go, you get the benefits of the Touch controllers

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The Oculus store

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And then you can play Vive exclusives

languid beacon Sep 30, 2018, 6:50 PM

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Just like apple and smartphones there needs to be a simple easy to use model that enables the mainstream to adopt it

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Otherwise you just have open standards like Linux OS’s which has been around for years yet how many non-business use it for gaming?

ruby burrow Sep 30, 2018, 6:51 PM

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That's a separate thing. A developer can design their games and applications for whatever performance grade they want. If they want a VR app than runs on a cheap laptop, they can make that. Dividing the market up into a console style hardware locked situation changes nothing and doesn't help access either.

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What Vive exclusives? It's Oculus that has the exclusives.

languid beacon Sep 30, 2018, 6:52 PM

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I don’t see how. A lot of people will never had vR if it requires a gamer rig

ruby burrow Sep 30, 2018, 6:52 PM

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Vive has been paying literal "non-exclusivity" grants to developers, to encourage them to keep their games open to all platforms, and maintain the health of the market.

languid beacon Sep 30, 2018, 6:53 PM

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VR won’t go mainstream until it’s wireless and untratheres to a computer room

ruby burrow Sep 30, 2018, 6:54 PM

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A console format doesn't change that though. And that's not what I meant anyway. Lemme explain.

languid beacon Sep 30, 2018, 6:56 PM

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I know that oculus quest is garden walled. So is the mobile game market. Didn’t stop things like unity from making multi platform simple

ruby burrow Sep 30, 2018, 6:56 PM

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With VR Headsets (HMDs) treated as omni purpose displays, you would be able to plug them into anything that has the right port and can support the software, regardless of whether that's a PC, a laptop, an XBox, or theoretically even a smart phone.

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Any computing device would be able to use any headset, same way any computing device can use any TV or Monitor.

languid beacon Sep 30, 2018, 6:57 PM

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I think when most (non vr) people think of buying a vr headset, they expect something self contained. Tell them they need to connected it to a gamer pc and it’s instant disinterest

ruby burrow Sep 30, 2018, 6:58 PM

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And just to clarify, I'm not actually protesting Oculus Quest as a product. It's got integrated hardware so it's limitations are simply due to the hardware, rather than artificially gated at the software level.

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It's just Facebook/Oculus' overall leaning towards the industry I don't like.

umbral reef Sep 30, 2018, 6:59 PM

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yea but adeon at the same time- They expect A grade VR because that is what has been shown

ruby burrow Sep 30, 2018, 7:00 PM

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But you wouldn't need to connect it to a gamer PC Adeon. That's my point.

umbral reef Sep 30, 2018, 7:00 PM

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That an phone cant handle the stuff an gaming PC cant aint there problem

languid beacon Sep 30, 2018, 7:00 PM

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Well I’m not saying oculus quest is the miainstream headset either. With all that tech, a simple HDMI-in port would make it also replace the oculus Rift.

ruby burrow Sep 30, 2018, 7:00 PM

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You connect it to anything, and there are no software level walls or business deals stopping you.

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Again, same as everyone is used to with a TV or monitor.

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What you can run on it, is up to you and what you plug it into.
Or whatever hardware is contained in the HMD, that itself is still fine, as long as no one is forcing you to buy that exact headset, when your other one would also be capable of running the same game.

cinder pier Sep 30, 2018, 7:03 PM

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I hope the battery life of the quest isn't anything like the switch

languid beacon Sep 30, 2018, 7:04 PM

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Smart TV’s these days have internet and Netflix built in

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People expect it more than you think

ruby burrow Sep 30, 2018, 7:05 PM

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Yeah, built in hardware and pre-loaded software is fine. But those services are still available on all other TVs, and that TV with Netflix pre-installed can still be used to view other rival services.

sterile drift Sep 30, 2018, 7:05 PM

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I can give the battery life for the Switch a pass

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You see the kind of games it plays

ruby burrow Sep 30, 2018, 7:05 PM

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You don't have to buy another TV to watch Sky, and a third one to watch the BBC.

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If an HMD manufacturer wants to sweeten the deal by including a set of games with the headset, that's fine by me.
It's when they say, "If you want this game, you can ONLY play it on our HMD" then to me that is sabotaging the overall VR market, and trying to aggressively carve up the pie before it's even baked.

sterile drift Sep 30, 2018, 7:09 PM

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HMD Odyssey

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Isn't that like

ruby burrow Sep 30, 2018, 7:09 PM

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It's early scrambling for a monopoly, trying to force out competition via means other than the value of the hardware itself.

sterile drift Sep 30, 2018, 7:09 PM

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Really high res?

ruby burrow Sep 30, 2018, 7:09 PM

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Hmm? What about the Odyssey?

sterile drift Sep 30, 2018, 7:10 PM

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Doesn't it have a gigantic resolution

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I know KingTodd uses one

ruby burrow Sep 30, 2018, 7:10 PM

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It does have a higher resolution yeah. Equal to the Vive Pro.

sterile drift Sep 30, 2018, 7:10 PM

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Hm

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I'm curious about its controllers

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Not that I really want one

ruby burrow Sep 30, 2018, 7:11 PM

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I've heard it's one of the better WMRs. Overall has the same tracking techniques and quality as the rest though.

sterile drift Sep 30, 2018, 7:12 PM

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Oof

ruby burrow Sep 30, 2018, 7:12 PM

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The higher resolution does of course come with higher performance costs, if you choose to run it at it's full res.

sterile drift Sep 30, 2018, 7:13 PM

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Oh definitely

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KingTodd always like, avoids mirrors because of it

ruby burrow Sep 30, 2018, 7:13 PM

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Great hardware when used for the right reasons.

sterile drift Sep 30, 2018, 7:13 PM

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It's become a meme honestly

ruby burrow Sep 30, 2018, 7:15 PM

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I'm really looking forward to when improved resolution become the standard for VR, but at the same time am dreading the extra performance requirements. xD

sterile drift Sep 30, 2018, 7:15 PM

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Yea

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My computer isn't at the minimum requirements of VR but it's kinda close

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Though I run the game better than most somehow

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And I honestly get around the same performance in Desktop

ruby burrow Sep 30, 2018, 7:17 PM

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Although, there's always the alluring promise of Foveated Rendering looming on the horizon. If that technology pans out as hoped, VR could really break out there.

sterile drift Sep 30, 2018, 7:17 PM

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That I get in VR

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Foveated rendering?

odd beacon Sep 30, 2018, 7:18 PM

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Basically only rendering what you're looking at in detail

ruby burrow Sep 30, 2018, 7:18 PM

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It's a theoretical tech in development for VR, that rather than rendering the entire screen at 100% quality/resolution, would track which part of the screen your eyes are looking at, and only render that portion fully.

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Everything outside that area would be rendered at a resolution more suited to the actual capabilities of our eyes peripheral vision.

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Meaning you should notice no difference, whilst allowing for huge performance gains.

sterile drift Sep 30, 2018, 7:20 PM

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Hm

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Sounds promising

ruby burrow Sep 30, 2018, 7:21 PM

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Theoretically, it could make VR easier to run than conventional displays.

sterile drift Sep 30, 2018, 7:21 PM

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That'd be the day

ruby burrow Sep 30, 2018, 7:24 PM

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The eye tracking required to accommodate it, is also just a really cool feature in itself. I saw some tech demos of things like a guy locking onto missiles with his eyes, before pressing a button to shoot them down.

sterile drift Sep 30, 2018, 7:25 PM

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Hm

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Interesting

ruby burrow Sep 30, 2018, 7:25 PM

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Or a demo where someone is throwing a knife in VR, and the game could use the object his eyes are focusing on to determine the desired location of the throw, and add a subtle degree of "auto-aim", adjusting the trajectory of the throw.

sterile drift Sep 30, 2018, 7:26 PM

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Getting on my computer so I can type

ruby burrow Sep 30, 2018, 7:27 PM

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Meaning in games like Sairento, you could actually use the throwing weapons whilst feeling like a super-ninja, rather than the usual comical display of spamming shuriken at 5m range and missing 4 out of 5 shots. ^ ^;

sterile drift Sep 30, 2018, 7:27 PM

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Alright now I'm on my PC, typing speed is much better.

odd beacon Sep 30, 2018, 7:28 PM

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I feel like that kind of thing would be nice for VRChat (Or something like it if something succeeds it), mostly just because there's a lot of expressiveness in the eyes and such

sterile drift Sep 30, 2018, 7:28 PM

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E y e t r a c k i n g

ruby burrow Sep 30, 2018, 7:32 PM

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Yeah, real legit eye tracking would be cool for VRC.

vocal shard Sep 30, 2018, 7:33 PM

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and blinking

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because you coulld tell i would be sleep or not lol

ruby burrow Sep 30, 2018, 7:33 PM

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Although, I wonder how it would look on mine. The existing simulated eye tracking is already so damn cute in how it moves. Hard to know if I could compete controlling it with my real eyes.

vocal shard Sep 30, 2018, 7:33 PM

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theres already eye trackers for streamers

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like on their computer they can look around on it and the eye tracker tracks it

ruby burrow Sep 30, 2018, 7:34 PM

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Hah, yeah blinking would probably be a great improvement on all levels.

vocal shard Sep 30, 2018, 7:34 PM

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true

umbral reef Sep 30, 2018, 7:34 PM

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thats diffrent though as the range those trackers have to play with are a lot better

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So the streaming eye trackers are not that insane tech

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If they can get it work within a HMD without it costing to much it would be dope

ruby burrow Sep 30, 2018, 7:36 PM

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My one issue with eye-tracking for VRC, would probably be glasses. My range of clear vision is already more limited in real life, than what VR offers me anyway. Kinda sucks ._.

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They do have them working Oclac. Just only in prototypes so far. And not prototypes of commercial products, just general R&D.

neon flume Sep 30, 2018, 7:39 PM

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Do you wear glasses in your headset?

vocal shard Sep 30, 2018, 7:39 PM

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i dont wear glasses

opaque hawk Sep 30, 2018, 7:39 PM

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I sometimes wear blue light filtering glasses

ruby burrow Sep 30, 2018, 7:41 PM

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I do yes.

umbral reef Sep 30, 2018, 7:41 PM

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Well having somethign working VS being commercial ready is an big difrence

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Electric cars have been a thing for years but only recently its only worth commercially

neon flume Sep 30, 2018, 7:45 PM

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Do any of you have a way of preventing the lens of the glasses from touching/scratching the headset's lens? I have a few friends who cannot see without their glasses but I haven't found a tidy way to slot them in without having them rub against the Oculus lenses.

languid beacon Sep 30, 2018, 7:47 PM

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I don’t see why people think stand alone headsets can’t have a hdmi-in port and be used like pc headsets. There’s nothing wrong with a stand alone headset, in fact until we get stand alone headsets most people won’t buy them

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Sure oculus quest can’t be used that way, but it only takes one company that goes “why not both” to succeed

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Nintendo Switch did it with console/handheld hybrid, it’s easy.

ruby burrow Sep 30, 2018, 7:54 PM

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I've not had an issue with my glasses touching the lens personally, since they sit quite close to my face and there's enough room. The Vive has a method to adjust to get extra room if needed, but I've not bothered finding out how.
I'd assume the Rift has some similar feature, but don't know myself.

cinder pier Sep 30, 2018, 7:55 PM

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I just use contact lenses . Either that or I'm walking around half blind in vrc

ruby burrow Sep 30, 2018, 7:55 PM

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@languid beacon Yeah, nothing wrong with that idea. A bit of redundant extra weight and cost for most current users, but might be enticing for others.

cinder pier Sep 30, 2018, 7:56 PM

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Can't you order custom lens for the rift ?

ruby burrow Sep 30, 2018, 7:56 PM

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You can. There are third party lens inserts for both Vive and Rift.

vocal shard Sep 30, 2018, 7:56 PM

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Rift is pretty tight on space. My brother has no issues still

ruby burrow Sep 30, 2018, 7:56 PM

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A friend of mine has them for his Vive. Cost him about £100 though I think.

vocal shard Sep 30, 2018, 7:58 PM

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Good for me I got 20/20. Everyone in my family is half blind. Lucky sperm

umbral reef Sep 30, 2018, 7:58 PM

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Wait bananers are you one of those peeps with an legit pole in there house 🤔 ?

vocal shard Sep 30, 2018, 7:58 PM

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🤔

umbral reef Sep 30, 2018, 7:58 PM

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Well with an nickname like you got here i gotta ask

vocal shard Sep 30, 2018, 7:59 PM

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Yeah

ruby burrow Sep 30, 2018, 7:59 PM

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Fun.

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A couple of people once thought I had a pole for a moment, whilst messing around on one in game. All I was doing was grabbing it with the playspace mover and flinging myself around.

umbral reef Sep 30, 2018, 8:00 PM

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Ay, neat i guess

cinder pier Sep 30, 2018, 8:00 PM

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I like your Avi. Love the hair colour.

vocal shard Sep 30, 2018, 8:00 PM

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Super fun.. until you find yourself tied to the pole upside down and have to make it look like a move you meant to do

ruby burrow Sep 30, 2018, 8:01 PM

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I told them I didn't, and was just a competition level mime using an imaginary pole instead.

wild wadi Sep 30, 2018, 8:01 PM

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boop

umbral reef Sep 30, 2018, 8:02 PM

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Im still god dam amazed how much strength it takes to properly hang up in one of those poles man

ruby burrow Sep 30, 2018, 8:02 PM

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Lol. Certainly sounds challenging.

umbral reef Sep 30, 2018, 8:02 PM

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We got an alikeish thing at the gym i go to but man- stuffs insane

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But my core strength is pretty shit anyway compared to the rest so that might also be it

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Also, Eyo senpai

vocal shard Sep 30, 2018, 8:04 PM

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My core is good. Arms kind a suck

ruby burrow Sep 30, 2018, 8:04 PM

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I could do with more core strength as well.
Professional squatter though. (As in, my job requires squatting to lift things hundreds of times a day.)

umbral reef Sep 30, 2018, 8:05 PM

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Ay- My leggs are like hella pumped
But i cycle a lot and i football an fair bit
And with football one of my biggest strengths is that i can just run and run and run

languid beacon Sep 30, 2018, 8:05 PM

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My uncorrected slight astigmatism without glasses is just enough to give the rift a smooth antialiasing and avoid screen door while not compromising visual fidelity. So I just ditch my glasses. lol.

maiden hound Sep 30, 2018, 8:05 PM

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I was just blue screened by some dick with mountain due particles 😭

umbral reef Sep 30, 2018, 8:06 PM

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Fairly sure if i was not sick for ~3 years i would be an god dam god at marathon running
Even right now i can almost without extra training run half a marathon at a reasonable time

tacit plank Sep 30, 2018, 8:06 PM

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I tried running once, my legs hurt for days after, would not recommend

umbral reef Sep 30, 2018, 8:06 PM

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@maiden hound Dont restart the game yet- Get the output log first

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And send it towards moderation@vrchat.com with as much information (part of the name, what type of particles and ect) to get the dude banned

maiden hound Sep 30, 2018, 8:07 PM

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I was BDoS, how do I get the output log? @umbral reef

ruby burrow Sep 30, 2018, 8:07 PM

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Took part in an impromptu squatting competition with Zarni and others a few weeks back.
Although not sure if he took part actually. Might have just been watching and laughing at us...

umbral reef Sep 30, 2018, 8:07 PM

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!outputlog

floral flaxBOT Sep 30, 2018, 8:07 PM

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You can find your output log at C:\Users\%Username%\AppData\LocalLow\VRChat\vrchat named output_log.txt

umbral reef Sep 30, 2018, 8:07 PM

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And if you BSOD make sure to check all driver updates and ect

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that those are all up to date*

maiden hound Sep 30, 2018, 8:07 PM

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Kk thanks ❤ yeah my computer is really crappy, doesn’t happen often but it happens from time to time

vocal shard Sep 30, 2018, 9:03 PM

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Fat

uncut trail Sep 30, 2018, 9:05 PM

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SO new VRC halloween EVENT starts midnight tonight ?

vocal shard Sep 30, 2018, 9:07 PM

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All crashers depend on custom animations so blocking that on new players should end the crash attacks once that new system is in.

umbral reef Sep 30, 2018, 9:09 PM

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You could still do mesh crashing but its a lot harder to do for sure

ivory folio Sep 30, 2018, 9:10 PM

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🤔

vocal shard Sep 30, 2018, 9:11 PM

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Activating meshes is still an animation

umbral reef Sep 30, 2018, 9:11 PM

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Can put them outside your own rendering range but not for others

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So that its always live 🤷
But its a lot of work and you cant target one person anymore so

ivory folio Sep 30, 2018, 9:12 PM

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you can easily target a single person

umbral reef Sep 30, 2018, 9:12 PM

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Well isnt the risk of 'false flagging; big?

ivory folio Sep 30, 2018, 9:13 PM

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?

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false flagging what?

umbral reef Sep 30, 2018, 9:13 PM

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That users get crashed that you dont want to

ivory folio Sep 30, 2018, 9:14 PM

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a mesh crash only starts lagging once you get close to it

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so you can easily crash a single person with it

ruby burrow Sep 30, 2018, 9:42 PM

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One technique they'll still be able to use, is switching avatars to one with a crash tool firing by default, and then switch back, but it will be far less practical or responsive for them, and much easier to notice and react to.

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Using that method will also leave tell tale clues in the logs.

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Hmm. Were you in a "Never have I ever" instance just a while ago Moons?

ivory folio Sep 30, 2018, 9:45 PM

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yesterday yeah

ruby burrow Sep 30, 2018, 9:46 PM

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Ah, nah I meant within the last hour or two.

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Guess it wasn't you then.

ivory folio Sep 30, 2018, 9:46 PM

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oh no then

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my names just Moons

ruby burrow Sep 30, 2018, 9:46 PM

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My brother just met an alien avatar with a similar name is all.

ivory folio Sep 30, 2018, 9:46 PM

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ah

merry eagle Sep 30, 2018, 10:20 PM

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Mew

vocal shard Sep 30, 2018, 10:26 PM

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Just wondering but who here does avatar commissions? And how much? pinkli2Puggies

supple python Sep 30, 2018, 10:26 PM

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I'm wondering the same but for a simple world

inner cape Sep 30, 2018, 10:27 PM

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I do SmilePeek

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I don't get people at all so I might as well do it for a really low price

merry eagle Sep 30, 2018, 10:28 PM

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Me and turtle are looking for someone to do a world for us

inner cape Sep 30, 2018, 10:28 PM

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Details ples

vocal shard Sep 30, 2018, 10:29 PM

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Okay, if I dm you a ref, could you give me a price? Thanks a bunch! ^-^

inner cape Sep 30, 2018, 10:29 PM

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Go ahead

merry eagle Sep 30, 2018, 10:29 PM

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Dm me and I will explain what we want

vocal shard Sep 30, 2018, 10:29 PM

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Okay, I'll quickly get it sorted for you

supple python Sep 30, 2018, 10:30 PM

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Ghosto you know djbunny

inner cape Sep 30, 2018, 10:30 PM

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I do, kinda

supple python Sep 30, 2018, 10:30 PM

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Boi 😁

inner cape Sep 30, 2018, 10:30 PM

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GhostoShrug2

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I talked to him a lot when I started vrc

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One of my first friends

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But haven't talked to him in a while

supple python Sep 30, 2018, 10:31 PM

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Same with me boi, used to hang with him all the time, don't see him much anymore though

inner cape Sep 30, 2018, 10:31 PM

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Rip

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Hope he's doing well

supple python Sep 30, 2018, 10:31 PM

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Same

queen mango Sep 30, 2018, 10:32 PM

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Anyone had friends in VRChat that you haven't seen for a long time

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?

supple python Sep 30, 2018, 10:32 PM

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Yep

merry eagle Sep 30, 2018, 10:32 PM

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Yup

supple python Sep 30, 2018, 10:32 PM

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I have ppl I haven't seen since January when I started

merry eagle Sep 30, 2018, 10:32 PM

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Yes

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Same

queen mango Sep 30, 2018, 10:33 PM

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I could say the same for mine.

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Well, I had some friends that I used to hang around with since I started playing VRChat. Like Mr. Alex

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But... he's been offline for the last two months now.

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Haven't seen each other since then

supple python Sep 30, 2018, 10:38 PM

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Oof boi

spice epoch Sep 30, 2018, 10:42 PM

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@everyone Hay folks remember an update or two back when swiching or loading avatars changed.
Well its becos VRchat changed the way it caches files... THIS IS BAD....!!!!
VRC is storing it's entier cache in AppData Locallow
on your C drive...
i perpously installed vrc onto my D drive to keep it out of my C.
blasted thing balooned to around 39 GB

VRC used to put it's cache in with it's own files (like a good boy)..
Come on VRC you have to change this when we install to a drive we want ALL of vrc in THAT drive
my appdata folder isnt your dumping ground
appdatalow is for storing settings and such not the whole bloddy program.

inner cape Sep 30, 2018, 10:43 PM

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LOL

spice epoch Sep 30, 2018, 10:44 PM

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well it used to store to streaming avatar and world video exct...

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wich was fine

inner cape Sep 30, 2018, 10:44 PM

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maidLuleyes

ivory folio Sep 30, 2018, 10:44 PM

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Symlink to your other drive

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Ez

spice epoch Sep 30, 2018, 10:45 PM

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cant do that to %appdata%/LocalLow it's allready simlinked

ivory folio Sep 30, 2018, 10:45 PM

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Just do the individual vrchat folder then

spice epoch Sep 30, 2018, 10:45 PM

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Same isue the way it's accsessing it just recreates it in the main folder

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if it was in roaming that might work

ivory folio Sep 30, 2018, 10:46 PM

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🤔

mighty galleon Sep 30, 2018, 10:46 PM

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zag idk why you do the everyone when it wont work

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besides some people dont care where the stuff it held

spice epoch Sep 30, 2018, 10:47 PM

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and many people dont know why there sudenly getting low space warnings on there main boot drives
wich tend to be SSD's nowadays

rough pulsar Sep 30, 2018, 10:47 PM

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It's definitely possible to symlink the vrchat cache dir off to another drive. I'm not sure why it seems to be not working right for you. I'm not that familiar with lower level filesystem operations & functions on windows.

mighty galleon Sep 30, 2018, 10:48 PM

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never had that problem zag

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and i've let it get up to 80gb

rigid crescent Sep 30, 2018, 10:48 PM

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my cache is symlinked

spice epoch Sep 30, 2018, 10:48 PM

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it's now vrchat is accsessing the files most likely

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dosn't matter the program is leaving it's desegnated location.

mighty galleon Sep 30, 2018, 10:48 PM

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eh, im fine with wherever it goes

rough pulsar Sep 30, 2018, 10:48 PM

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If you're trying to do anything to the cache folder while vrchat is running weird shit will happen.

vocal shard Sep 30, 2018, 10:49 PM

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172GB free of 465GB

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aaaaaaaa

spice epoch Sep 30, 2018, 10:49 PM

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it's suposed to stay within steam.

mighty galleon Sep 30, 2018, 10:49 PM

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salena, 30gb free of 250 right now on my laptop xD

vocal shard Sep 30, 2018, 10:49 PM

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Only 250GBs? Yikes

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Even my 8 year old Toshiba has 500GBs

mighty galleon Sep 30, 2018, 10:49 PM

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my computer has a lot more

rough pulsar Sep 30, 2018, 10:49 PM

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The vrchat cache dir's location has been something of a complaint for quite some time now so you're not alone in being irritated by this.

vocal shard Sep 30, 2018, 10:50 PM

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Oh, same, I got a 2TB HHD as well

mighty galleon Sep 30, 2018, 10:50 PM

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laptop just hold all my visual novels xD

spice epoch Sep 30, 2018, 10:50 PM

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my main drive is 250 formated to 220 EG i dont want vrc buggering it up

vocal shard Sep 30, 2018, 10:50 PM

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fastbear

mighty galleon Sep 30, 2018, 10:50 PM

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saw that

spice epoch Sep 30, 2018, 10:50 PM

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my dump drive is the larger. and has mostly games on

mighty galleon Sep 30, 2018, 10:51 PM

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and read it

spice epoch Sep 30, 2018, 10:51 PM

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but it's wrecking my main drive

ruby burrow Sep 30, 2018, 10:51 PM

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There's an old canny post about this, which I've commented on myself.

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It's a rather bizarre and inconsiderate choice to force it to that location in my opinion.

spice epoch Sep 30, 2018, 10:52 PM

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VRC should of atleast used the drive it's installed in. thats what roaming is for it's all cross linked junk locallow cant move around.

ruby burrow Sep 30, 2018, 10:52 PM

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There was a response from a dev on the canny about, "That's where windows expects temporary files to be" that doesn't really hold up or mean anything far as I see it.

rough pulsar Sep 30, 2018, 10:52 PM

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I believe the command is mklink /D VRCHAT_CACHE_DIR OTHER_DRIVE_DIR replacing the vrchat cache dir with the one in appdata and the other with the destination on the other drive.

ruby burrow Sep 30, 2018, 10:53 PM

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For one, the files are hardly temporary, in the true sense of things, at least especially at the time the canny post was first made where it never actually wiped. One person had 200gb of files that had accumulated.

spice epoch Sep 30, 2018, 10:53 PM

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@rough pulsar you shouldnt need to have that level of knowlige to straighten this out

rough pulsar Sep 30, 2018, 10:54 PM

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VRChat is in Early Access, things are expected to be incomplete, kinda working but not and generally subject to change. It kinda is expected to be honest.

spice epoch Sep 30, 2018, 10:54 PM

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they still dont wipe... and theres no way to set a threshold of space it'l just keep saving untill your drive is full :/

ruby burrow Sep 30, 2018, 10:54 PM

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Secondly, if sym-links clearly work fine, then for what reason should the files be forced there anyway?

rigid crescent Sep 30, 2018, 10:55 PM

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my favorite is the temp files for videos

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lol i had 80-something gigs since i spent all my time in a world with videos

spice epoch Sep 30, 2018, 10:55 PM

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it kinda is suposed to be live so this is a problem they need to fix it.. fast

ruby burrow Sep 30, 2018, 10:56 PM

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I can respect the game being early access and all that, but right now there's no evidence it's even regarded as a serious problem, which for many people it is.

spice epoch Sep 30, 2018, 10:57 PM

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like before this beta release eather revert it to the old method (preferd) all vrc files in one place period not spred across the machine like some microsoft program

ruby burrow Sep 30, 2018, 10:57 PM

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My own C drive is a 128gb SSD, and I know a friend with a 64gb C drive. (Which was clearly a mistake on his part, but all the same...)

rough pulsar Sep 30, 2018, 10:57 PM

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It's not a critical bug and it can be manually managed.
If it's such a big issue to you then vote on the canny
https://vrchat.canny.io/feature-requests/p/appdata-isnt-for-storage

weary bison Sep 30, 2018, 10:57 PM

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you can also move locallow using its properties window btw

spice epoch Sep 30, 2018, 10:57 PM

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in short it's a bloody game that is suposed to have a small footprint delete the directory you delete the game

ruby burrow Sep 30, 2018, 10:58 PM

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He's got a terabyte of space good to be used on another drive, but otherwise his PC is basically just straight up incompatible with the game right now, since one hour of gameplay maxes him out and requires a wipe.

spice epoch Sep 30, 2018, 10:59 PM

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@heady prism Thats just it gal i have 2 locallows 2 appdata's one on c one on d

rigid crescent Sep 30, 2018, 10:59 PM

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it would probably have more votes if people understood exactly what that means. for a lot of users it's just "computer talk"

ruby burrow Sep 30, 2018, 10:59 PM

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I have voted on that Canny. Was one of the first things I ever did in the community, after running into the problem in my first week of the game.

spice epoch Sep 30, 2018, 10:59 PM

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theres a few programs i Want pulling from the ssd and not the slow spin drive

ruby burrow Sep 30, 2018, 11:00 PM

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I've cleared enough space now to get by without needing to sym-link, but it's all besides the point.
The point being that for new users, this is a very common problem that can be very confusing and frustrating, until they figure out what the problem actually is.

spice epoch Sep 30, 2018, 11:01 PM

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:p where the heck is the upvote button

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i think they did this just to obviscate the chache files :/

ruby burrow Sep 30, 2018, 11:04 PM

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I was stuck failing to get into most worlds, and seeing no avatars for two days until figuring out why it was happening.
At first I thought the game itself or it's servers were having some kind of error. Also tried testing my internet, then realised that my PC in general was struggling to function, which eventually led to discovering that 20gb had disappeared within a weeks timeframe.

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I know it seems so so simple now, especially for anyone that spends time on this discord or other VRC communities, but for plenty of users, I could see this as being something leading to uninstalling the game.

vocal shard Sep 30, 2018, 11:05 PM

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Still waiting for C# support in the SDK

mighty galleon Sep 30, 2018, 11:06 PM

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salena

spice epoch Sep 30, 2018, 11:06 PM

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heres a bit of fun

mighty galleon Sep 30, 2018, 11:06 PM

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good luck

spice epoch Sep 30, 2018, 11:06 PM

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Steam dosnt know about the appdata files

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so uninstalling it frees up like 200 meg

vocal shard Sep 30, 2018, 11:06 PM

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Its marked as "in progress" on the upvote site, I'm just waiting

mighty galleon Sep 30, 2018, 11:06 PM

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ive been waiting on the guild tags

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its planned

vocal shard Sep 30, 2018, 11:07 PM

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I'll actually be up for creating worlds, once you have the ability to actually do some interesting shit, besides visual effects, etc.

spice epoch Sep 30, 2018, 11:08 PM

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A proper set of options would be (location) max size of non fave world chache max size of avatar cache. (have a min size hard set) Keep fav's saved as an option so they dont get rotated out. (saves bandwith)

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Option to Delete all unfaved or all in genral cached items on close AND restart (incase of a crash)

mighty galleon Sep 30, 2018, 11:09 PM

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?

spice epoch Sep 30, 2018, 11:10 PM

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@vocal shard Ya you'd think by this point they would of emplemented a capsulated scripting system so we can get some real games going.

ruby burrow Sep 30, 2018, 11:10 PM

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That too. For some it's an issue of managing limited storage space, whilst for others they want the option to choose a larger space due to having more limited bandwidth.

mighty galleon Sep 30, 2018, 11:10 PM

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i just want the guild tags

spice epoch Sep 30, 2018, 11:10 PM

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Something like LSL from secondlife (just better and with some options to run a few things client side so ya dont baught down the instince)

ruby burrow Sep 30, 2018, 11:11 PM

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A scripting system is what they're making UDON for right?

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That's very much in progress.

vocal shard Sep 30, 2018, 11:11 PM

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Worlds are so limited these days, without full scripting support, can't really go in depth & make really interesting shit otherwise, I mean, you can make some pretty decent worlds now, but its just missing that extra cherry on top without

mighty galleon Sep 30, 2018, 11:11 PM

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i rarely ever go world looking

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besides when my friends drag me

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im always in the pug or sleep room place

spice epoch Sep 30, 2018, 11:12 PM

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theeres playmaker but it's 60 bucks

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and your stuck using (state machines)

ruby burrow Sep 30, 2018, 11:12 PM

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Where do you go Sean? I've been struggling to imagine how you play the game lately. xD

vocal shard Sep 30, 2018, 11:12 PM

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Same @mighty galleon

ruby burrow Sep 30, 2018, 11:12 PM

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Ah, already answered.

spice epoch Sep 30, 2018, 11:12 PM

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amagen building a game out of oldschool redstone blocks

mighty galleon Sep 30, 2018, 11:12 PM

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just the pug90% pf the time

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other then that, i just join off my friends

vocal shard Sep 30, 2018, 11:12 PM

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Pug, Void Club, extremely rarely Open Mic Night & Presentation Room

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Gaia Night sometimes

ruby burrow Sep 30, 2018, 11:13 PM

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There's a lot of good places to see out there beyond the Pug you know. ^ ^;

mighty galleon Sep 30, 2018, 11:13 PM

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well

ruby burrow Sep 30, 2018, 11:13 PM

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You're missing out.

mighty galleon Sep 30, 2018, 11:13 PM

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im here to talk with people not much world venture lol

vocal shard Sep 30, 2018, 11:13 PM

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Worlds are so boring aside from the social aspect of speaking to other users

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And aesthetics

ruby burrow Sep 30, 2018, 11:13 PM

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Bring the people with you.

mighty galleon Sep 30, 2018, 11:13 PM

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kind weird to ask strangers to follow you

vocal shard Sep 30, 2018, 11:14 PM

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Not really, its VRChat

mighty galleon Sep 30, 2018, 11:14 PM

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plus this game is like the internet, idk how to go around

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so i stick with what im used to

spice epoch Sep 30, 2018, 11:14 PM

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hay any one know if theres like a public version of pug (files wise) im putting together a big halloween anamation and having the pug's geomitry and table placement would realy help me get the placement for props right

ruby burrow Sep 30, 2018, 11:14 PM

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I mean, why not enjoy a variety of scenery whilst doing your talking.

rigid crescent Sep 30, 2018, 11:15 PM

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I'd like to see someone actually optimize the pug and release it

mighty galleon Sep 30, 2018, 11:15 PM

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mic one question

spice epoch Sep 30, 2018, 11:15 PM

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i just need a posistion acuret representation of the main floor

mighty galleon Sep 30, 2018, 11:15 PM

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is it just me or is the area of voice getting bigger in the pug?

rigid crescent Sep 30, 2018, 11:16 PM

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the voice area in general changed a while back

mighty galleon Sep 30, 2018, 11:16 PM

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oh

spice epoch Sep 30, 2018, 11:16 PM

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M$ has ben playing with virtualisation/seround in headsets

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i had to turn it off or i heard EVERY one and thing

mighty galleon Sep 30, 2018, 11:16 PM

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i remembered when going up the stairs to the top floor you couldnt hear anyone on the second and first floor only halfway up to the third flood

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now you can hear them fine

ruby burrow Sep 30, 2018, 11:17 PM

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@cold saddle How do you mean?

vocal shard Sep 30, 2018, 11:17 PM

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Windows 10 = A mistake

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aaaaaaaaaa

ruby burrow Sep 30, 2018, 11:17 PM

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Why?

mighty galleon Sep 30, 2018, 11:17 PM

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salena = non mistake

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im going to like the new update

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oh that one

ruby burrow Sep 30, 2018, 11:18 PM

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Unless they're crashers, in which case good riddance.

mighty galleon Sep 30, 2018, 11:18 PM

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idk anything about that one

ruby burrow Sep 30, 2018, 11:18 PM

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Oh the animations, right.

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That's just an unfortunate inconvenience that's going to require some updating and new learning.

spice epoch Sep 30, 2018, 11:18 PM

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considering using the anamator means you cant see anything your anamating yourself this should be interesting

ruby burrow Sep 30, 2018, 11:19 PM

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There's not reason to riot over that.

subtle prawn Sep 30, 2018, 11:19 PM

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Lots of big talk is all

ruby burrow Sep 30, 2018, 11:19 PM

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The legacy animations aren't even supported in newer versions of Unity, and thus were going to break someday no matter what, unless the devs stick with the current outdated version forever.

grave dagger Sep 30, 2018, 11:20 PM

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Oh god

ruby burrow Sep 30, 2018, 11:20 PM

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And the current version is soon to lose support and security fixes from Unity. Thus, the game is essentially being forced to get back up to date at some point.

subtle prawn Sep 30, 2018, 11:21 PM

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Its been done in #animation
https://youtu.be/iHQNw6Tg5-U

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pinned

ruby burrow Sep 30, 2018, 11:23 PM

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It is a pain, especially for people with more complex avatars, or just large amounts of them, but the game can't exist in the past forever.

mighty galleon Sep 30, 2018, 11:23 PM

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glad i dont need to deal with any of that stuff

vocal shard Sep 30, 2018, 11:23 PM

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Legacy animations are the only ones that can loop.

ruby burrow Sep 30, 2018, 11:24 PM

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I'm going to try and see a silver lining in it. If this encourages updating the games version of Unity, we can look forward to multi-core performance that tiny bit sooner.

white saffron Sep 30, 2018, 11:27 PM

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Is the use of a single core only because of the unity version?

errant sluice Sep 30, 2018, 11:27 PM

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hey guys every time i join a world its empty

white saffron Sep 30, 2018, 11:27 PM

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are you joining empty worlds

errant sluice Sep 30, 2018, 11:27 PM

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no

rigid crescent Sep 30, 2018, 11:28 PM

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are you in the beta

white saffron Sep 30, 2018, 11:28 PM

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or in the beta

rigid crescent Sep 30, 2018, 11:28 PM

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that or the people you're joining are in the beta

errant sluice Sep 30, 2018, 11:28 PM

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how do i toggle if im in the beta, i never chose it

rigid crescent Sep 30, 2018, 11:28 PM

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if you join a random room or are you joining off friends

errant sluice Sep 30, 2018, 11:28 PM

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random

rigid crescent Sep 30, 2018, 11:29 PM

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oh, that's weird then. on the off chance you opted into the beta, right click the game in steam, hit properties, go to betas on the right

white saffron Sep 30, 2018, 11:29 PM

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if not, then maybe theyre hiding 🤔

rigid crescent Sep 30, 2018, 11:29 PM

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it'll say opt in or none

mighty galleon Sep 30, 2018, 11:30 PM

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squishhy

ruby burrow Sep 30, 2018, 11:30 PM

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Sean! :v

mighty galleon Sep 30, 2018, 11:30 PM

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can i get a pat, ive been awake for more then 36 hours

errant sluice Sep 30, 2018, 11:31 PM

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its not even in my library wtf

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its gone but its isntalled

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and the store page says its in my library

rigid crescent Sep 30, 2018, 11:31 PM

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weird

mighty galleon Sep 30, 2018, 11:31 PM

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it might not be under games

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it might be under somethign else?

ruby burrow Sep 30, 2018, 11:31 PM

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Lol... ok.
Pat pat

mighty galleon Sep 30, 2018, 11:32 PM

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yay x3

ruby burrow Sep 30, 2018, 11:32 PM

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You should probably consider sleeping.

mighty galleon Sep 30, 2018, 11:32 PM

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eh ill sleep in 4 hours

ruby burrow Sep 30, 2018, 11:32 PM

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I'm currently listening to a song that's repeating the line, "You're like a zombie".
So that's now you Sean.

mighty galleon Sep 30, 2018, 11:32 PM

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oh my

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im not called sean of the dead for nothing!

toxic lotus Sep 30, 2018, 11:37 PM

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Question for everyone here. What is your best way in preventing your ping from getting so high?

mighty galleon Sep 30, 2018, 11:37 PM

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is there a way to stop that?

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mines always at 30-100

ruby burrow Sep 30, 2018, 11:38 PM

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Mine often is around 160. It's unfortunate.

toxic lotus Sep 30, 2018, 11:38 PM

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My average is 120-130 but gets up to 850-990 after some time.

ruby burrow Sep 30, 2018, 11:38 PM

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I'm honestly surprised it doesn't seem to hinder conversation.

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Yikes. It certainly shouldn't get that high. That's got to be something on your end.

toxic lotus Sep 30, 2018, 11:39 PM

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I know, I just need to find out how to stop it.

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I tried almost everything I found as a potential solution.

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afk

stone locust Sep 30, 2018, 11:40 PM

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Is anyone in the vrchat murder mystery discord? If you are can you invite?

toxic lotus Sep 30, 2018, 11:45 PM

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Back

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Shouldn't there be a discord link in that world?

gloomy valve Oct 1, 2018, 4:17 AM

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Hey anyone with wmr have this problem where it starts up, gives you your view and then cuts to black in 10 seconds?

tacit plank Oct 1, 2018, 4:24 AM

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Sounds like the headset timeouts or something?

gloomy valve Oct 1, 2018, 4:25 AM

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Yeah i just unplugged it and plugged it back in. Seemsed to have fixed the problem

vocal shard Oct 1, 2018, 4:26 AM

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Yeah, sometimes wmr just needs the usb to be unplugged and replugged back in if it does that

tacit plank Oct 1, 2018, 4:28 AM

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I think I've figured out how Unity, VRChat, SteamVR and VR headsets work

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They use RNGs to decide which things work and when

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And the rest of the things just does something entirely random

ruby burrow Oct 1, 2018, 4:38 AM

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Makes sense.

vocal shard Oct 1, 2018, 5:23 AM

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Sounds about right

sharp galleon Oct 1, 2018, 5:32 AM

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I’ve discovered the perfect way to make new friends.

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Sit in a somewhat quiet place with people in the same world and just sing.

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The first time I sang, I somehow attracted a small crowd of like, four people. It was nice.

shy nest Oct 1, 2018, 5:46 AM

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requires being able to do something

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well thats me out

sterile drift Oct 1, 2018, 5:59 AM

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Lol

cerulean dust Oct 1, 2018, 6:00 AM

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I made a canny for extra custom profiles (for the trust and safety system in the upcoming update).
Posting it here for visibility.

https://vrchat.canny.io/trust-and-safety-system/p/suggestion-extra-custom-safety-profiles

sterile drift Oct 1, 2018, 6:00 AM

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I mean you have to be good at singing if you're gonna have that.

tacit plank Oct 1, 2018, 6:05 AM

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Btw these settings could be saved locally

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No need to stress the API

errant merlin Oct 1, 2018, 6:11 AM

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Will VRChat ever get a microphone threshold setting so it won't pick up all the background noise?

queen mango Oct 1, 2018, 6:12 AM

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I don't think that's possible. Such a setting is only for microphones only.

ivory folio Oct 1, 2018, 6:14 AM

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Discord has mic sensitivity settings

errant merlin Oct 1, 2018, 6:14 AM

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Yeah, but that has nothing to do with VRChat

ivory folio Oct 1, 2018, 6:15 AM

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I was saying that it would be possible since other programs can do it

errant merlin Oct 1, 2018, 6:15 AM

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Well yeah, I don't know why Elire thinks it's not possible

vocal shard Oct 1, 2018, 6:16 AM

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before you are supposed to configure your mic normally

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not in-game

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if it pick up background noises then it's already badly configured

errant merlin Oct 1, 2018, 6:16 AM

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This is not a configuration, this is wanting a built-in noise gate within VRChat

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Not everyone can afford a dead silent room

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considering how VRC is a social game, mainly through chatting through voice, maybe they should implement this function since it's not uncommon you find someone with a bunch of background noise

ivory folio Oct 1, 2018, 6:26 AM

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Have you tried something like Voicemeeter/Voicemeeter Banana?

tacit plank Oct 1, 2018, 6:28 AM

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Only some mics can be adjusted in windows besides the usual 0-100 scale

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I know many people who're too quiet in VRChat, and using the oculus or vive with everything set to max

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Wait, you're discussing the treshold, my bad. Still, I'd like for the voice slider to be louder at max I guess

amber spindle Oct 1, 2018, 7:32 AM

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When are username changes gonna be a thing?

vocal shard Oct 1, 2018, 7:34 AM

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never

umbral reef Oct 1, 2018, 7:36 AM

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You can send an email towards the staff and ask for a name change if you are on a VRC account

light seal Oct 1, 2018, 7:41 AM

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Anyone else getting issues with a Fatal Error crash

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Looks like it's related to garbage collection, too many threads

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Both current and beta are doing this the second I load into a world

dawn pecan Oct 1, 2018, 7:43 AM

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Is it accompanied by a bad memory leak? It could be somebody targeting you with an exploit. If it also happens in private worlds I guess you can ignore this

light seal Oct 1, 2018, 7:44 AM

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Yeah even in my home world

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default home world too

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not a custom one

dawn pecan Oct 1, 2018, 7:44 AM

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Not an exploit then, just a rare bug. Not sure how to fix it though

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Could email VRChat about it, and try the basic fixes (clearing cache, validating steam files or reinstalling, clearing registy, etc)

light seal Oct 1, 2018, 7:45 AM

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already tested all of that

dawn pecan Oct 1, 2018, 7:46 AM

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Could also figure out the actual issue for the log and send the solution to the staff. It's probably difficult but at least you will have something to do

light seal Oct 1, 2018, 7:47 AM

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checked the logs also

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since it's a fatal crash

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there is nothing related to it in the log

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I would have to memory dump it while it's crashed

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and debug the dump

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gg doing that without the symbols file

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will prolly send off the dump to them though

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The memory hang is a major issue too

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Game will crash and be stuck corrupted in ram till you reboot

vocal shard Oct 1, 2018, 8:49 AM

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The guy that i reported with a kkk avatar 1 week ago is not yet banned

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and he is a purple user with the new system

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ok

queen mango Oct 1, 2018, 8:51 AM

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KKK? I thought they were a Wolfenstein thing.

vocal shard Oct 1, 2018, 8:51 AM

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no,he was saying the n word too

queen mango Oct 1, 2018, 8:51 AM

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Oof. That's definitely a rule violation.

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Dunno, but the moderators in the game are more savvy at rooting out custom avatars in talent shows.

vocal shard Oct 1, 2018, 8:52 AM

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also i have a clip of him saying that he made 20 accounts to ban evade

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whatever

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i just realized you're cool dog

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i dont read names lmao

cinder pier Oct 1, 2018, 8:54 AM

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U just did xd

vocal shard Oct 1, 2018, 8:54 AM

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Hello LOL

inner cape Oct 1, 2018, 8:54 AM

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Thats cool, dawg

vocal shard Oct 1, 2018, 8:54 AM

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how cash money is that

umbral reef Oct 1, 2018, 8:54 AM

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But dog- You reported him with outputloggs and the video thingy towards moderation@vrchat.com?

vocal shard Oct 1, 2018, 8:54 AM

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yes it was a week a go with video and everything

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he still has the main account ban evanding

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how is that even possible

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do you have video footage of yt his main account

umbral reef Oct 1, 2018, 8:55 AM

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Well then there is kind of hope still-
They are slow as fuuccckk when it comes to banning some users

cinder pier Oct 1, 2018, 8:55 AM

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They can do an IP ban

umbral reef Oct 1, 2018, 8:55 AM

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But eh- The mod team is far from perfect with handing out bans

vocal shard Oct 1, 2018, 8:55 AM

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cough

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cough

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vpns

cinder pier Oct 1, 2018, 8:55 AM

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I know..

umbral reef Oct 1, 2018, 8:55 AM

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And they do ip ban..
And most VPN's are god awefully slow

cinder pier Oct 1, 2018, 8:55 AM

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They're slow though

vocal shard Oct 1, 2018, 8:56 AM

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tunnelbear

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ok i will report him again with the other evidence i guess...

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k

inner cape Oct 1, 2018, 8:56 AM

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Linus throwback

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YJSNPI

umbral reef Oct 1, 2018, 8:56 AM

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Well its best to just flood as much evidence as you can GWoooKarenSugoi
Get all the dipshits banned

vocal shard Oct 1, 2018, 8:56 AM

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im cool dog and i do a dog flip >_>

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i reported a lot of them already..and they are so mad at me

umbral reef Oct 1, 2018, 8:56 AM

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@vocal shard Still- Its not fun having to download big ass worlds with slow internet
You can kinda avoid most crashers and stuff by going to big, slow to load worlds 😂

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You tell them you will report them or stream/yt it?

vocal shard Oct 1, 2018, 8:57 AM

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no,i made a video about me reporting them and the ones that got banned commented on the video

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oof

inner cape Oct 1, 2018, 8:58 AM

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Youre meant to make the evidence vid unlisted tho

vocal shard Oct 1, 2018, 8:58 AM

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i haven't watched your vids in a good while, so i havent seen it

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yes the reported were unlisted with the raw footage

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raw footage darn

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so like swearing and everything??

inner cape Oct 1, 2018, 8:58 AM

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Why did you have to make a public version

vocal shard Oct 1, 2018, 8:58 AM

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yes

inner cape Oct 1, 2018, 8:59 AM

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residentsleeper

vocal shard Oct 1, 2018, 8:59 AM

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the public version was more of a sketch

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had nothing to do with the real footage

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it was all a skit

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the public one

umbral reef Oct 1, 2018, 8:59 AM

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Ow ayy then its neat
I know in other games streamers who reported users live and got them banned (or where part of helping them get banned) and got harassed after for weeks so 🤷

vocal shard Oct 1, 2018, 9:00 AM

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i need to watch that

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i dont mind anyone harrasing me

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but i do fear for the kids that play the game

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thats why i am doing it really

umbral reef Oct 1, 2018, 9:01 AM

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Still- Crashing within the game gets annoying fast
But we got the new system for that GWoooKarenSugoi
Just disable all animations on peeps beside friends and ez

vocal shard Oct 1, 2018, 9:01 AM

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the kids of vrchat get banned??

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i think anyway

rough pulsar Oct 1, 2018, 9:02 AM

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13 is the minimum age for using vrchat

vocal shard Oct 1, 2018, 9:02 AM

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tooth hurty

cinder pier Oct 1, 2018, 9:02 AM

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And that surprised me too when I read the ToS

vocal shard Oct 1, 2018, 9:03 AM

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for kids that want to play vrrchat that is not very cash money 🤔

queen mango Oct 1, 2018, 9:03 AM

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Cash money?

inner cape Oct 1, 2018, 9:04 AM

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Cash money.

vocal shard Oct 1, 2018, 9:04 AM

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it's a meme

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that wasn't very cash money of vrchat 🤔

inner cape Oct 1, 2018, 9:04 AM

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GhostoThink

vocal shard Oct 1, 2018, 9:05 AM

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t h o n k

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i want discord nitro but i have youtube premium

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uhguhgughugh

cinder pier Oct 1, 2018, 9:05 AM

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I don't mind cash money. Just don't mention the moths

queen mango Oct 1, 2018, 9:06 AM

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Do I see a lamp?

cinder pier Oct 1, 2018, 9:06 AM

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🤦

queen mango Oct 1, 2018, 9:06 AM

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Okay, I take it back.

cinder pier Oct 1, 2018, 9:06 AM

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I haven't seen any moth avatars in vrc though

vocal shard Oct 1, 2018, 9:06 AM

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I have

cinder pier Oct 1, 2018, 9:07 AM

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Just Lots of bowsettes

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That's unfortunate for u

vocal shard Oct 1, 2018, 9:07 AM

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I seen like 7 moths

queen mango Oct 1, 2018, 9:07 AM

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Relatively new meme around here, like with the one you mentioned

twin jacinth Oct 1, 2018, 9:07 AM

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i want youtube premium too
i listen to music everyday on my way to and from work and it really drains my phone to have it unlocked because i dont have premium

vocal shard Oct 1, 2018, 9:07 AM

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I think there is a moth avatar world

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i have youtube premium lmao

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bowsette is gay

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ive seen atleast 3 bowsettes in vrchat

cinder pier Oct 1, 2018, 9:08 AM

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There's a bowsette on that site

twin jacinth Oct 1, 2018, 9:09 AM

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ive just cba buying it
cus expensive

vocal shard Oct 1, 2018, 9:09 AM

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I seen bowsette, cainerette, booertte, now waluigerette

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wtf

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why do those even exist

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Because

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Internet

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internet is big gay

cinder pier Oct 1, 2018, 9:10 AM

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I should hang out in public worlds more often. see what's going on

umbral reef Oct 1, 2018, 9:10 AM

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The magic of the internet 👏

cinder pier Oct 1, 2018, 9:10 AM

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Because because people can make them

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I haven't seen a knucklette yet

vocal shard Oct 1, 2018, 9:11 AM

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good

cinder pier Oct 1, 2018, 9:11 AM

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Someone's making one

vocal shard Oct 1, 2018, 9:12 AM

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no

cinder pier Oct 1, 2018, 9:13 AM

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Yes

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I know someone on here has been making one

vocal shard Oct 1, 2018, 9:16 AM

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stop

cinder pier Oct 1, 2018, 9:18 AM

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I can't stop it. I'm not the one making it

vocal shard Oct 1, 2018, 9:18 AM

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you're more literal than me

umbral reef Oct 1, 2018, 9:29 AM

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I kinda want a booertte and just get an shy emote on it so that when anyone looks at me i can use it GWoooKarenSugoi

queen mango Oct 1, 2018, 9:31 AM

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fufufu What a cutie... chuckles

cinder pier Oct 1, 2018, 9:33 AM

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That'd be so adorable

umbral reef Oct 1, 2018, 9:33 AM

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Well boo's within the game also go all shy and blush mode once you look at them so GWnanamiLaceShrug

cinder pier Oct 1, 2018, 9:33 AM

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can't resist headpats

queen mango Oct 1, 2018, 9:34 AM

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If only I was bigger, I would give her headpats.

finite kraken Oct 1, 2018, 9:35 AM

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When will the new patch comes out? I wanna upload my model without fear of it being stolen

cinder pier Oct 1, 2018, 9:35 AM

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soon

cunning pebble Oct 1, 2018, 9:35 AM

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yes adj very cool

umbral reef Oct 1, 2018, 9:35 AM

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Wait they are adding something special so stuff cant be yeeted away

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Also cupcake start using Cats protection- Helps an fair bit

cinder pier Oct 1, 2018, 9:36 AM

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It's still in open beta so you'll have to wait for that to close first

finite kraken Oct 1, 2018, 9:39 AM

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Idk how the cats thing work

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Plus I use 3Ds max

shy nest Oct 1, 2018, 9:40 AM

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vrpill 3ds max

umbral reef Oct 1, 2018, 9:43 AM

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Cat has an full document explaining how to use it so...
But cant help if you use 3ds max sadly

finite kraken Oct 1, 2018, 9:49 AM

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Cats is not 100% perfect

median basalt Oct 1, 2018, 9:50 AM

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No, but it's really good 99% of the time

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It has a ton of features and shortcuts useful for getting any model into VRChat

shy nest Oct 1, 2018, 9:54 AM

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considering blender is used by probably 95% of vrchat users that upload content, it has much more support/info and stuff made for it

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so you'll be hard pressed to find many people using 3ds max for avatars/worlds that would be able to help you out

median basalt Oct 1, 2018, 9:56 AM

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You can do the same stuff with 3DS Max or Maya (Lakuza uses Maya)

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But you'll have to do a lot of stuff manually

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And stuff like "point the head and eye bones straight up" might be a tad harder in 3DS Max

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I also think texture atlasing in Blender is a lot easier

dusty hound Oct 1, 2018, 10:16 AM

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how long does it acually take that i get permission to upload worlds ? i migrated from Steam with 60 hours to a VRChat Account.

polar jasper Oct 1, 2018, 10:18 AM

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Those hours isn't transferred over.

vocal shard Oct 1, 2018, 10:18 AM

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yup

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you basically start over

polar jasper Oct 1, 2018, 10:19 AM

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It shouldn't take too long unless you are mischievous

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You can still test the world though

dusty hound Oct 1, 2018, 10:19 AM

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is it a automatic system or do i have to get approved by staff ?

polar jasper Oct 1, 2018, 10:19 AM

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It's automatic, you will get a notification in game and per email

dusty hound Oct 1, 2018, 10:19 AM

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ahh Okie 😄 Thank you ❤

vocal shard Oct 1, 2018, 10:20 AM

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don't be afk tho

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also the average time reported by most people is between 20 to 40 hours to get it
it can take less and it can take more tho

mint bridge Oct 1, 2018, 11:01 AM

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20- 40 hours??

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I'm trying to get someone into vrchat but it'll suck for them if they have to wait 20 hours

vocal shard Oct 1, 2018, 11:03 AM

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yep

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actually play

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waiting doesnt work

umbral reef Oct 1, 2018, 11:05 AM

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Get them first to use avatar worlds- Make new friends and ect
And then get them properly stuck once they can use avatars GWnanamiSataniaEvil

mint bridge Oct 1, 2018, 11:06 AM

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alright.. anyone know good avatar worlds for dinosaur avatars? 😅

olive mulch Oct 1, 2018, 11:07 AM

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nop

scenic bluff Oct 1, 2018, 11:09 AM

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anyone feel like helping me out with an issue i have with my unity/sdk?

polar jasper Oct 1, 2018, 11:10 AM

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Check your console for errors

scenic bluff Oct 1, 2018, 11:13 AM

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despite re-installing it has errors still

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omegaLUL

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its something in "S3 Manager"

scenic bluff Oct 1, 2018, 11:40 AM

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i just made a new project with anothing but the newest sdk

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And it doesnt work

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Cool

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found out it says im using the wrong version

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but its unity 5.6.3p1

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nevermind

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i reinstalled unity and it didnt even work

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im over it

polar jasper Oct 1, 2018, 12:37 PM

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@scenic bluff It has to be 5.6.3p1. Download it from the VRChat website and install it

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But to be sure, uninstall the one already installed

scenic bluff Oct 1, 2018, 12:37 PM

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it is 5.6.3p1

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the issue was the new SDK lmao

polar jasper Oct 1, 2018, 12:38 PM

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The new SDK shouldn't have any issues. I am using it now.

scenic bluff Oct 1, 2018, 12:40 PM

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interesting

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it didnt read any dynamic bones or anything LUL

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when i re-installed unity it didnt work but i installed an old sdk and it works fine

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LUL

vocal shard Oct 1, 2018, 1:35 PM

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Whats a legacy animation

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I have no idea what it is

sterile drift Oct 1, 2018, 1:35 PM

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An animation marked as Legacy in its debug.

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If you don't know how to set one up, chances you might not use any

vocal shard Oct 1, 2018, 1:36 PM

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All i do is emotions and such

sterile drift Oct 1, 2018, 1:37 PM

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Unless you have animations such as wings flapping, ears twitching, a tail wagging, or a custom blinking, I don't think you would have any Legacy animations

polar ingot Oct 1, 2018, 1:37 PM

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is anyone else getting kicked out of vrchat?

vocal shard Oct 1, 2018, 1:37 PM

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Yes

sterile drift Oct 1, 2018, 1:37 PM

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What is the message it's giving you, Blur?

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And you too Mayflower

polar ingot Oct 1, 2018, 1:38 PM

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i think is some on the line of "you connection to vrchat has failed"

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lemmi check

sterile drift Oct 1, 2018, 1:38 PM

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I mean

vocal shard Oct 1, 2018, 1:38 PM

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Same

sterile drift Oct 1, 2018, 1:39 PM

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I can see your internet's kinda failing Blur

vocal shard Oct 1, 2018, 1:39 PM

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Other times says it isnt responding

polar ingot Oct 1, 2018, 1:39 PM

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its no tho

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not*

sterile drift Oct 1, 2018, 1:39 PM

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You kinda just went offline and then you came online and immediately sent two messages

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So that's what I'm assuming

polar ingot Oct 1, 2018, 1:39 PM

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i did?

sterile drift Oct 1, 2018, 1:39 PM

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Yes

polar ingot Oct 1, 2018, 1:45 PM

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disconnected : vrchat is not reponding