"Nobody cares what you posted."
#vrchat-general-2
shy nest
raven silo
i agree with xaxa there there people minds can bypass with client hack one reason i say vrchat need anti-cheat on it client
shy nest
๐ค
sterile drift
Nobody cares what I post lol
vocal shard
tupper upside down is rebbnt
kindred lake
What is the topic?
raven silo
want fix problem lonevee start make tutiroalsl ol
zinc garden
its directed towards the people who won't do what he's asking
raven silo
no one make tutiroals people wont do it
sterile drift
@raven silo I made my tutorial in #animation already lol
vocal shard
Back to slowly figuring out how to make the most of the animator component with the limited tools I have then.
sterile drift
People too layzee to read
steep pagoda
i will say Removing legacy was unavoidable eitherway
best to do it now since a major exploit was found
as unity in newer versions does not supprt legacy anims anymore
so if the game ever gets updated they would be lost anyways lol
so i wouldent complain lol
kindred lake
I am only using animator... xDD
zinc garden
Rip the band-aid off quick
steep pagoda
yes
fierce girder
Please refrain from spreading the drama on the channel and keep the conversation civil
steep pagoda
before people get used to that exploit lol
zinc garden
they made a spectacle so they have to follow through
kindred lake
why would they remove legacy animation?
sterile drift
They removed Legacy because of an exploit
raven silo
@sterile drift were your tutorials vrchat remove tutorials channel
fierce girder
People started to use it with malicious intent @kindred lake
kindred lake
and the exploit is doing what?
zinc garden
They really didn't
maiden hound
They should have a block-avatar button. like beside the block button or something.
zinc garden
But they could have
steep pagoda
you could use a avatar or world to refrence the game scene's
with legacy anims
allowing users to affects the in game world and menus
zinc garden
aka
rigid crescent
A block avatar button besides the block avatar button?
sterile drift
I did type a whole tutorial in Animation but it got spammed into oblivion
steep pagoda
or make a rainbow nameplate XD
opaque remnant
isn't that still possible on live though?
raven silo
@sterile drift best to make google document
steep pagoda
yes atm tho would not reccomend trying it
sterile drift
Plus it'd be attention seeking
raven silo
not post animation channel ol
maiden hound
@rigid crescent hm? Like if someones avatar is lagging you out you should be able to just block it so it turns into one of those grey default avatars.
raven silo
big reason there not enough info
fierce girder
You have just posted and admitted it was you, how you used this specific animation to glitch people globally on the world @zinc garden
kindred lake
xD Are u guys talking about shaders or animations? xd
opaque remnant
that's not what he did
kindred lake
@steep pagoda you do not affect the menu with an animation, it works completely different.
maiden hound
SO, is there any way to deal with the client crashers? In the new update coming out maybe? I seem to be running into them constantly now. The only real solution i found was turning off all avatars/muting everyone. Sorta kills the fun
kindred lake
No you cannot fix the client crasher issue, so easily.
Blocking is not fixing the client crasher issue
steep pagoda
no you can XD
legacy anims ucan use relitive paths to affect anythign in the game scene if you start with the root and know the correct path lol
example is i could use a legacy anim to deleate or turn off your menu
hence why was removed
raven silo
screen shader effect you more
steep pagoda
or another example is you would navigate it to your parent and recolor or even modify your nameplate lol XD
thats what i seen some users do recently
vocal shard
Mfw I got mentioned here really late the night before and I walk into this
raven silo
somone can make screen shader block your menu
fierce girder
That's too much power given to the user. Good thing it was deleted
raven silo
when there near you
kindred lake
Ye it is always possible to block ur menu
fierce girder
๐
kindred lake
But changing bone size and moving the parents is fixable.
maiden hound
Anyone think it would be possible if any time in game it senses you using too many units and just kicks you out of the game automatically?
vocal shard
Ok but if I'm using the animation override for a generic rig is it broke now
steep pagoda
yea @fickle galleon XD
there is alot more you could do to lol
including removing your nameplate compleatly
or removing things in the world like floors or walls
or turn off the entire game scene making you have to alt f4
vocal shard
I need to know if im redoing 3 avatars or not
maiden hound
i mean, it would help with crashers
fierce girder
So that's how people used to snap everyone's camera to the specific place removing the ability to move your avatar or even seeing the menu
fickle galleon
Name typo @steep pagoda
fierce girder
I was in the pug once and suddenly everyone's camera globally was snapped to the chair while still seeing your avatar in the distance
fickle galleon
lol
steep pagoda
yea lol
there is alot of bad you could do but also alot of fun aswell
fierce girder
Too much power though
kindred lake
๐
vocal shard
i just sit down on my chair
well, im on my knees rn
i moved my chair
this is my mind
๐ค
Wow
steep pagoda
yes way to much power
vocal shard
i dont know if i should get on vrchat or
just move my chair back
Do you want to?
you made my brain die
i do but
at the same time
i dont
maiden hound
would it be possible if the game automatically kicks you out if it senses you using over a certain amount of polygons? I think it would help\
vocal shard
then you might get loopkicked
or if you select an avatar from a public world
Anything above 64 I think (I remember it was the unity limit for a mesh)
maiden hound
ohh true
vocal shard
it could have over the poly
But then if you summon props you might get kicked
heck knuckles
im still debating whether i should get on vrchat or not
put it to a VOTE
I vote yes
fierce girder
Whaaat. by summoning props you get kicked?
vocal shard
No no
shy nest
it should kick you if you're using a obscene amount of materials more like
vocal shard
darn
maiden hound
i was just on for 3 hours until i got crashed by a fucking cunt who put porn in front of my eyes
hushed isle
VRC sure needs more optimization and a memory flush script or what during world change or somethin'
kindred lake
What are u guys doing that u get crashed so often? I never got a bluescreeen. And you guys sound like really fcked up rn.
@shy nest Nothing to do with materials
vocal shard
i never got bluescreened from vrchat
I mean if we put a limit of polys on a user it might get them shanked
shy nest
i was just replying to someone else @kindred lake they mentioned something about kicking for a certain amount of polys
kindred lake
@shy nest sry then
maiden hound
ive been bluescreened about 5 times in 2 months
vocal shard
Because props get added to the poly amount too
fierce girder
@hushed isle you can't talk optimization if it's users who upload the avatars and it's users who have to optimise the assets
sonic verge
i really wonder why theres that "desktop reticle" option in a game thats not oriented around shooting people in the head
vocal shard
if you add props with an avatar that has a 19k poly
So you see where you point
Tbh
Its shit
I hate the reticle
Breaks the game mood
that desktop reticle is like a cursor
uhhh
maiden hound
my head hurts from the time i got ear raped by asmr 10 minutes ago.
vocal shard
Except it looks more like a stain on the screen
fierce girder
If you have 5 objects and 12 materials you will be an unkptimized blob of vertices no matter what wizardry developers would do
shy nest
that doesnt make sense
shy nest
you said that like 20 minutes ago
vocal shard
Call me picky but I hate the reticle, it reminds me im not as "ingame" as everyone else
hushed isle
@fierce girder not that kind of optimization... Did you hear about the memory leak issue?
small wing
@vocal shard turn it off then lol
shy nest
mayo
fierce girder
Well,it can be a chest nut if you are into that
vocal shard
@small wing already did
shy nest
just fucking play it already
vocal shard
you can't rush an earthquake
small wing
@vocal shard then you shouldn't have to complain about it lmao
vocal shard
my pfp is the milky way galaxy inside the earth with a lot of motion blur
you cannot rush the earthquake
I think it shouldnt be on by default is all
or the earthquake rush you
kindred lake
nerds D:
vocal shard
ok im gonna go to bed
kindred lake
nerds <.<
vocal shard
oi bruv
small wing
@vocal shard you're only one person with one opinion. Maybe people like it. idk.
vocal shard
give me your nitro
๐ซ
I dunno
ok we're getting off topic anyway im gonna get on vrchat
sonic verge
try and insert a public world that doesnt have at least 1 weeb in it
fierce girder
sterile drift
The weeds!
kindred lake
@vocal shard just join!
vocal shard
Ive been playing for quite the while now and adding the reticle feels more disorientating than helpful
my OCULUS has HAIR in it
hold ON
shy nest
just go to an empty world and not be a weeb yourself ๐
YOUR RIFT
OCULUS IS A COMPANY
sonic verge
lol
fierce girder
Any empty public world
vocal shard
SHUT
fierce girder
@sonic verge
sonic verge
lol
vocal shard
thou shall not judge me on what i call my oculus
shy nest
mmd avatars are inherently shit
fierce girder
MMD avatars are the hidden plague
vocal shard
kindred lake
@shy nest that is why u edit them <.<
vocal shard
"""red""" plague
shy nest
optimization wise anyway 
maiden hound
LOL you have a rift? WMR is where its at (jk it sucks and i hate it ;))
vocal shard
windows mixed reality can suck my left nut
hushed isle
?๐ค ?
sterile drift
MMD avatars can be really bad with optimization yea
vocal shard
WMR is the poor mans vr
shy nest
jebaited you bois
sonic verge
๐ค
vocal shard
someone had lighting issues with it i think
sterile drift
Some game rips can be really bad too honestly
queen mango
ใใใใใใฃใฑใ๏ผ
fierce girder
Have you seen wireframe of most MMD models?
sterile drift
Like Xenoblade
vocal shard
Several people are typing...
fierce girder
It's literally a clusterfuck of vertices
vocal shard
i have like 2 mmd avatars i think
maiden hound
i have WMR the controllers fly away like 2 meters away from me when im playing
sterile drift
Typing are people several...
sonic verge
@queen mango you made a bit of a mistake there
queen mango
Oof. Where?
shy nest
i mean wmr was shit from the get go
vocal shard
...gnipyt era elpoep lareveS
shy nest
not sure why people bought em 
maiden hound
i bought mine off ebay for like 200 bucks soo
vocal shard
pogchamp
sonic verge
i know you want to say oppai, but cause the tsu is not small, its basically otsupai @queen mango
vocal shard
wmr is trash
shy nest
queen mango
Oh
vocal shard
it is diarrhea
maiden hound
wmr works, thats all that counts
fierce girder
Not weeb enough
vocal shard
haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
maiden hound
it still works just like a rift. It just has more cons than pros
vocal shard
holy cheeki breeki no it does NOT
shy nest
i was wondering if vrchat would be on the quest but then also realized that it probably would die instantly upon loading into a world ๐
hushed isle
I am very picky... I really don't like the screen door effect
vocal shard
you got me messed up if it works like an oculus (dont judge me on me calling it an oculus pls)
shy nest
no ones likes SDE
maiden hound
@hushed isle I dont even notice it
vocal shard
whats sde
shy nest
screen door effect...
vocal shard
never heard of it
vocal shard
whip[
vocal shard
i make games by myself
shy nest
i dont do anything
maiden hound
lit. Once i get a new job i'll save up for a vive and some trackers
kindred lake
@hushed isle just see it as a chromatic abberation
sonic verge
birden ๐ค
shy nest
๐ฆ ?
hushed isle
Birb
maiden hound
vocal shard
vrpill stop
queen mango
@sonic verge This one "ใฃ" ?
sonic verge
yis
queen mango
Alright.
hushed isle
Take the red pill or take the blue pill ๐
sterile drift
What about the VR Pill?
maiden hound
ill take that one ^
shy nest
pretty sure kidnapping is illegal ๐
hushed isle
It is
hushed isle
Now touch the mirror
hushed isle
Rofl
maiden hound
One time I was in vrchat and i tripped over my cat and slammed into the side of my bed side table. I broke a glass
the cat was fine
shy nest
why would you let your cat in your play space
hushed isle
Poor cat
queen mango
@maiden hound Poor glass. I hope its okay
maiden hound
my cat was sleeping on my bed
#1 rule
never wake up a cat
@queen mango Sadly the glass passed ๐ญ
vocal shard
some dude was doing like karate or something
queen mango
Nuu
vocal shard
and he kicked tf out of his cat
maiden hound
all over the floor was glass
vocal shard
is your foot injured
maiden hound
K no i just touched it and it startled me
i didnt kick it tho
it bit my toe when i fell
maiden hound
ikr
maiden hound
like i was on the floor and my cat came over and bit my toe
queen mango
My cat doesn't do that when I wake her up.
queen mango
She just like raises her head up to see me
hushed isle
Bye
queen mango
Bye, Quend
sterile drift
Uh oh I see disappearing messages
vocal shard
the aesthetical interference of my vr headset
queen mango
fufufu
vocal shard
after 5 days
hushed isle
๐ฏ
maiden hound
๐ ^
vocal shard
ok for real bye
maiden hound
hushed isle
๐ spooky scary skeletons ๐
cold talon
๐จ
vocal shard
:breeThink:
Rip discord mobile claiming i can use my emote when I cant
@rocky blaze you might not but i will, it don't matter if sass is detected or not voicing opinions and criticism about something about the game and getting banned for it? that's not ban able offence of any lengths, and a tip..... if this gets out you might lose more players than you imagine, so please control your staff, and thank you
according to my friend the "mod" is one of the "game designers"
P.S
i know that this will get deleted and i will get banned from this server because of this, so lets see what happens
they wont ban you if you are not overly hostile
my friend wasn't hostile, they provided a valid criticism but they still got banned
in-game ?
yeah
what is the reason of the ban ?
if they try to log into the game it will tell them the reason normally
umbral reef
Also- To be fair, if you where not there its kind of there word V someone else there word
And as an FYI, you can say legit almost fucking everything in this discord as long as it said non hostile
and he has mailed moderation@vrchat.com yet asking why/what and ask for an repeal ?
vocal shard
oclac and me are a good example that you can shit talk a lot without getting banned
again, if you are not overly hostile you won't get the ๐
indigo fern
shy nest
?
umbral reef
And i have to ask- Where you guys with him when he said the sas stuff?
Well... You have to keep in mind. Its his word V the unknown
Who knows- Maybe he said something really bad before it and they mods just took a long time to act?
Or he said something a few days ago- it got recorded and reported and it unlucky triggered when he was voicing his opinion
Im not saying the mods are perfect ingame- Far from it.. But at the same time. Most of the users who get hit by something are not 100% innocent
rocky blaze
yep
indigo fern
๐ฝ
vocal shard
he's part of the team wtf
opaque remnant
this is why you alt+f4 whenever you see a staff member in the game
opaque remnant
you read that wrong
indigo fern
๐ค
vocal shard
heck my spelling
this is what happens when you play vrchat for 2 hours people
your spelling dies
you weak AF then
hA no
playing the game for 6 hours straight
indigo fern
This is your brain on VRChat
vocal shard
my fingers got tired because i was playing a lot of batbtle discs
enjoy the free trip when you remove the headset
even better effect if you are sleepy and/or drunk
i dont drink
bECAUSE DRINKING IS BAD FOR DRIVING
drugs then ๐คท
LIFE LESSON KIDS
DONT DRINK AND DRIVE
sterile drift
Enjoy when you wake up and you try to move your hands on invisible VR controllers.
raven silo
@rocky blaze guess friend got annoying
vocal shard
i found out im a known user
/e dab noobys
dab on hate
yep
that's what ron do
hearing somebody always talking about "real problems" is probably getting old real quick
doesnt surprise me that he got ๐
i get really thirsty after my 2 hour vrchat sessions
so i like to cut midway and get some water
or just get some at the end
sweet meadow
Dude
It is a ritual to ban 10% of the playerbase for a non existent reason every month
Besides that, they have an "overwhelming amount of evidence"
Bam, you lost
rocky blaze
that explains bonesaws ban
sweet meadow
You should become a streamer
sweet meadow
Might become veteran and invincible then
rocky blaze
lol streamer? with my potato internet
sweet meadow
Its about the status
sweet meadow
Streamer content is garbage anyways
queen mango
You think Ron is watching this chat right now?
sweet meadow
Running through public worlds, pointing at players, laughing
That's it
We are openly saying our opinion, would you illegaly restrict us in our opinion?
I dont think so
๐ ฑupper is my real religion ๐
rocky blaze
yea tupper is awesome, he helped me with my game issue personally after reading about it and talking to me about it
it was a july update that messed with my game where i could only have 12 people in the room and anymore i couldn't hear anyone
sterile drift
Tupper can be a cool guy, but remember you have a whole community of people willing to help you with your issues too ^.^
rocky blaze
and now i have this neat little code that removes all the cache and the registery of the game but leaving the game files alone
and after that you just verify the game on steam and bobs your uncle
sweet meadow
I remember when 50% of the Playerbuse was stuf with the infinte loading screen
And noone cared
rocky blaze
yea i never got that issue
but with the code i have, it can fix that issue
well if it were the old loading screen still
vocal shard
i'm going to bed
rocky blaze
night dude
vocal shard
yark shark
wise sonnet
HI
hallow turret
<@&397642795457970181> there's website that looks like vrchat one but it has different link 
vocal shard
@hallow turret moderation@vrchat.com
lilac swan
I would've sent it to hello@vrchat.com as that info isn't a moderation issue.
But yeah, chat mods strictly only do discord related stuff. We can forward things to staff if needed but it's better you send the email yourself so they can get the info from the horses mouth directly.
Rather than us having to be middlemen if they need to get more info or whatever
warm swallow
Guys what's the difference between a legacy and a normal animation ?
lilac swan
Basically what an animation clip are able to do in terms of animating. I'm very much not an expert in this, but legacy animation, like the name says is the old way unity used to do animations.
warm swallow
Is there a difference on what
You are able to do with legacy animations ?
lilac swan
Compared to the current unity animations? Yes
At least in terms of VRchat
You might just have to go around doing things differently
near bramble
i just got crashed in game how do i report it
lilac swan
Report a user who crashed you?
near bramble
i dont know who it was but yeah
lilac swan
!outputlog
floral flaxBOT
You can find your output log at C:\Users\%Username%\AppData\LocalLow\VRChat\vrchat named output_log.txt
lilac swan
Email that .txt file to moderation@vrchat.com
Write in the email what you're reporting for and such
near bramble
ok
lilac swan
Do that before you start up VRchat again. Each time you start VRchat the output log gets overwritten and the old one is gone
warm swallow
Can you give me the details of differences or where can I read about it
lilac swan
Or make a copy of the log if you want to send it later
https://forum.unity.com/threads/main-differences-between-mecanim-and-legacy.207641/
I guess this thread might share some technical insight? You'll have to ask someone more knowledgeable than me or google it yourself
near bramble
thank you
median basalt
Basically, legacy animations are an older method of animating
The reason they are used on avatars is because you can toggle them off/on at will
And they don't "lock" the properties they affect, so you can do interesting stuff like temporarily disable lipsync
Of course, no longer possible now
umbral reef
Isnt stuff like the loop eye blinking animation an legacy one? @median basalt
median basalt
You mean custom blink? Yeah, that's normally done with legacy
I have been informed you can technically replace it with animators though
But it's hard to get it to disable, possible though
small wing
I always thought the animator method was easier honestly
umbral reef
I used both and the animator one is easy to do
But thats only for some things... Once you have to turn them off its annoying (well- i never tried to do the animation way and disable it myself as well... Why would i?)
small wing
But i should go to say that i spend too much time in cinema 4d keyframing things so that might be why.
I only did the animator way because its what i figured out on my own when i learned unity.
I learn most of my stuff by messing around anyways, i seem to avoid tutorials a lot.
more fun i guess when it feels like failure could lead to new discovery.
umbral reef
Its how i learned most of AE and PS stuff
I do things super inefficient but it gets done so ๐
vocal shard
So I just went through the unity 2018.1 changelog
And apparently it has a specific system just to help old devs migrate from one core to the utilization of multiple cores
ruby burrow
I'm curious on why this only effects avatars uploaded from September and onwards.
Trying to figure out which of my avatars I'll need to update.
ruby burrow
Though I've been long over due on re-making my main one anyway. Thing is fully functional but such a mess that it's a nightmare to edit in any way.
And want to try out a cloth physics version on the side anyway.
vocal shard
I was thinking of learning legacy anims lol
Always went animator way because that's what the tutorials used
ruby burrow
I'm honestly not certain which method I used. Was my first avatar I created.
vocal shard
Oof
kind tendon
Umm hey everyone i have a question, yesterday I reported someone and i told him that he was hacking and i send it to vrchat moderation team but he removed everything in the same time , is he going to get banned now or what ?
umbral reef
If there is proof he did the stuff you reported he will get beaned prob still
craggy hull
Oh, my avatar uses legacy animation to make it's tail swing around the clock. How do i work around this now?
craggy hull
thank you, i will take a look at it
vocal shard
Did you send the output log?
kind tendon
Iโve sent them photos of him flying and playing with avatars he stole and i sent them that file that shows what happened in the game (I donโt remember its name )
Yep
kind tendon
Ok thanks i hope every hacker get banned i want to play in peace
vocal shard
But for future reference, dont tell hackers theyre hacking and that youve reported them because theyll nuke their account
Report them without a word
kind tendon
Ok understood
vocal shard
This way the team catches them redhanded
rough pulsar
I'd imagine there's usually enough in the output log that'll be evidence enough for a ban and once you've made a copy of & sent off your log there's a whole load of fuck all they can do about that.
kind tendon
But i send my output after I restarted the game is that ok ?
kind tendon
๐คฆโโ๏ธ๐
glass quiver
Hello guys may I ask you guys a question? My friend is having hard time to log back in her account for VRChat but it tells her "could not log in" unauthorized".
What does this mean?
umbral reef
Hm?
vocal shard
Is it a feature now?
umbral reef
Its in the beta
vocal shard
Oof
I have a feeling it'll go fine but there are some doubts
Ie saving an avatar and then the creator marking it as private
umbral reef
They can always upload an cube to that old ID and it should load the cube instead then
sleek bone
Ooof
umbral reef
Fairly sure you save the avatar ID thats set to public instead of the model itself
vocal shard
We finna be full of "this avatar is now private" boxes lads
velvet quarry
It only allows people to save up to three avatars last I checked
ruby burrow
How many people ever do that though? I can't imagine it happening.
Changing public avatars to private I mean.
Most avatar worlds get put up and then touched as little as possible.
So on another topic, what's the deal with this trend I seem to be seeing (at least with people I know) of setting shadow to 0 on toon shaders?
I'm guessing the idea is to look "bright and vibrant" but to me it just makes the avatar look like budget animation.
You know, the cheap kind done before the blue-ray redraw, where the lighting and shading is all wrong.
granite coral
it depends on avatars
opaque jewel
Depending on the texture, it could have sort of a shading effect of it's own so shadows on shadows look sort of dumb.
granite coral
some avatars have shadows drawn in the texture itself
so having additional shadows is redundant
and makes the avatar look bad
ruby burrow
It's not possible to draw in all shadows and have them work at all angles though. I've always felt a mix of both done right works best.
granite coral
it really depends on the style you want
ruby burrow
Like around the face, drawn shadows might work, but around the waist, legs, hands, etc, you can't do it and the result just looks flat.
granite coral
but generally you don't want shadows both drawn in avatar and calculated in shader
opaque jewel
It's a case by case situation with models
granite coral
^
like my kingdom hearts avatars have already shadows drawn in the texture, and having additional ones makes them just look bad
but for example sao fatal bullet avatars don't have them so i have to use a shader that calculates shadows
depends on the style
like, if you really wanted to go with fidelity of the game, in sao fatal bullet avatars the shadows should not be dependent on light source but on camera view
ruby burrow
Hmm. I'm fairly sure the KH games use those same textures and still use real time lighting. Although, perhaps not toon shader style lighting.
granite coral
nope
only one kingdom hearts that has any type of shading is 0.2
everything else is just textures
ruby burrow
But I'm looking at screenshots right now. There is definitely lighting in many of them. : /
granite coral
is everything on textures
the consoles at that time did not even have enough power for any shading
rough pulsar
Send a link to these pictures, NPR is something I've looked into at varying points so I might be able to tell what's going on
ruby burrow
I suppose on the older games you're right.
Although, that aside, I was actually talking about the more common MMD based avatars. In the examples I'm thinking of anyway.
granite coral
well in that case i guess is just matter of personal preference
like i personally use my shader that like xiexes one makes shadows even in baked light enviroments lol
rough pulsar
If you're not getting shadows even with baked lights the world creator isn't doing the lighting properly.
rough pulsar
It's infuriating how many worlds have straight up terrible lighting setups.
granite coral
yup
opaque jewel
If worlds were cookies, there would be a lot of cookie dough
granite coral
and then you have to compensate with tricks in shaders
that have their own disadvantages sometimes
rough pulsar
Because you're having to use tricks to fix someone else's inability to do things right. ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
granite coral
i mean, i guess i wouldn't have the need to do it if it was a rare case
ruby burrow
I knew one such world, the reason for which is actually related to the thing I was discussing above. Because the creator never used any form of lighting or shading on any of his avatars, he did all the testing without realising that anyone but him showed up with incredibly dim lighting.
granite coral
but when in half of the worlds my avatar looks worse than it should
opaque jewel
And you shouldn't have to eat sobody else's cookie dough
granite coral
i get pissed off
ruby burrow
I also get fed up of finding avatar worlds with dimly lit mirrors. Not everyone want's to glow in the dark.
opaque jewel
That seems more like emissions, but I use Noe Noe shaders
Same as Cubeds with more options
rough pulsar
I've been dealing with lighting in 3D for ... A Long Time, and I'm planning on doing a few videos on why your lighting is shit and how to fix it, with unity & vrchat in mind.
granite coral
there are some unlit shaders that are pretty much just straight up emission
that would be awesome Gallium
opaque jewel
Well it's in the name to. 'Flat Lit Toon'
granite coral
being flat lit != straight up emission
rough pulsar
emission is any surface that returns a value > 1
opaque jewel
Not necessarily, but I'm sure you'll look pretty bright even without emissions
rough pulsar
It is, what you're likely referring to is when the majority of the scene's brightness values are in a very low range (0-0.2 for example) while the flat lit shaders return the same colour value no matter the environment lighting.
granite coral
reflections can be more than 1, but aren't considered emission
and there can be cases where the emission is less than 1
but still considered emission
rough pulsar
Wait, I'm mixing things up a little, we're both kinda right
vocal shard
how do I cancel a world submission?
granite coral
emission is pretty much when the light that the object "release" is more than the light that receives
so if you're in a completely dark room and have any kind of light showing up in an avatar
that's emission
rough pulsar
Yeah, I was thinking of the horrid case where you can pull tricks to make a diffuse surface reflect more light than it recieves and that 'breaks' things.
granite coral
even if is like 0.12
rough flax
vocal shard
Ok
So I need help
I have a small real world problem
I found a fucking sniper scope
what do I do
rigid crescent
Nothing?
umbral reef
Call the cops NON emergency line and ask if you can drop it off there?
umbral reef
nah your just slow 
vocal shard
*I don't have a car
rigid crescent
umbral reef
Also are there no adults around and stuff?
ruby needle
just the scope shouldn't be anything bad right 
umbral reef
Or friends with cars and stuff
vocal shard
I'm 20
umbral reef
@ruby needle Big odds its like an paintball gun scope or stuff even 
rigid crescent
Yeah, it could imply something, but possibly not.
tacit plank
I refuse to use lightning other than having a single directional light
ruby needle
yeah and even if its not
tacit plank
Unity is retarded, so I don't want to bother
vocal shard
Where can I post images
rigid crescent
Yeah that's why my suggestion was nothing. Leave it alone is probably a better one.
Now the mother won't take it back if you touched it
vocal shard
I looks up the mn and it's a $40 scope
tacit plank
The beautiful thing about computer graphics is that you can scale anything however you wish. If you scale a coffee cup from 10cm to 10 kilometer, it doesn't matter, because the object is identical, just scaled. No complexity has been added.
But in Unity, baking lights on anything big will just kill it, and it will yell at you that the light map thingy that it's using is too big, and then it will kill your CPU trying to bake gigabytes of lightning or whatever the hell it's doing
vocal shard
Welcome to Unity
tacit plank
So I just use a directional light, and big coordinates are somewhat doable if you don't mind characters shaking a bit when they move away from the origin
That "align room to origin" on teleportation doesn't seem to work much, btw
vocal shard
I don't like units lighting system. It fucked up my entire project
My Nacht Der Untoten world has to be separated meshes because lighting is broken as fuck
tacit plank
If I had script access I could make my own lightning I guess
I liked that map! But yeah, the lightning was weird
snow wadi
Light bakes are the worse
vocal shard
Sorry!
snow wadi
Especially when you have ALOT of objects that it needs to calculate
vocal shard
Lighting doesn't work correctly on that map
tacit plank
I enjoyed it though, my friends characters turned really dark at at certain height, and looked really cool
vocal shard
Especially baked lighting. That's why I have to use live lighting
snow wadi
Same
vocal shard
Thank you!
I'm still working on getting the box to work
To where you can actually take the gun
snow wadi
If I even LOOK at baked lighting Microsoft calls me and goes "Seriously, what are you doing?"
lol
vocal shard
Lmfao
tacit plank
I made a map with a flat plane and a coffee cup. Baking would kill my machine forever.
I just scaled the plane to 40000*40000 units and made the coffee cup kind of big (40 seconds to hit the ground if you jumped off the edge)
vocal shard
Kill your machine?
snow wadi
Wooooah
vocal shard
Lmfao
snow wadi
That's a big cup
vocal shard
I'm working on this shit on a hp 350 G1
tacit plank
I meant your world
snow wadi
I'm finalizing my world now, just touch ups to do
vocal shard
Thank you!! <3
tacit plank
But yeah, I just avoid lightning stuff
snow wadi
2 months of madness actually paid off
vocal shard
Right?
vocal shard
I'm still trying to think what else to add to this world before it's final updates
snow wadi
Had to patch that but I had no idea where the actual non collided mesh was xD
tacit plank
I'm lazy, so I only do easy things
vocal shard
stick with that
snow wadi
The problem with me is that I HAVE to add the little details to my world
vocal shard
It's the smart choice
tacit plank
Ever seen hexagon maze? It kind of sucks, but it probably only took me 30 mins to make. The brick texture on the walls was send by a friend of mine
snow wadi
I like making maps that have alot of attention to detail
vocal shard
UwU
snow wadi
Even if it means objects you only see from a distance but even THAT has details lol
tacit plank
50% of that time was merging the walls in Blender. I had to merge 1K at a time and I had about 70000
vocal shard
Oofy
tacit plank
And cool, I wish I had any sort of work ethic or motivation or perfectionism. It sounds time consuming though
vocal shard
OH MY GOD WHAT IS LIFE
tacit plank
I just do things which are exaggerated (like my vertical maze) or stresstesting Unity (my 7.3 million polygon statue)
tacit plank
Kino?
ruby burrow
Very belatedly, I find the panic over a scope kinda amusing. I own three myself and I'm British. It's not remotely a big deal. ^ ^;
sterile drift
It was done with good reason.
river thunder
Question
sterile drift
Legacy animation can be easily abused, you could backdoor an animation to delete parts of the scene
Even people's menu
river thunder
Why does my avatar not animate?
vocal shard
At least they could have given a warning about this
you could modify any property of a component
river thunder
Its using the humanoid animation thing
vocal shard
vocal shard
Instead of removing a feature, how about improving it so that it wonโt cripple your game?
sterile drift
Impossible
It's like trying to fix the hacker problem
It'll always come back in another form.
No matter what you do
gloomy valve
welcome to online game design
vocal shard
The different there is that hackers are just that, hackers.
gloomy valve
a land of compromise and sacrifice
vocal shard
They cheat the system
sterile drift
Basically, Explosive
vocal shard
Legacy animations could have at least been limited instead of completely removed
And besides, pretty much anything can be exploited
sterile drift
How do you propose they could be limited then?
Tell me how you know they CAN be limited.
vocal shard
I honestly dunno. I just woke up to this
gloomy valve
same here
vocal shard
But at the very least, they should have let us known about this change before hand
That way, we could have had time to prepare
sterile drift
I stopped using Legacy a while back so this doesn't really affect me too much at all
vocal shard
iPhone I really donโt need you to fuck up now
sterile drift
Just use animators.
vocal shard
That doesnโt mean Iโm not upset about it
sterile drift
Depending on what kind of animations you set up, you have all rights to be upset
But when it comes down to it
You will either not care later or want to improve upon it
vocal shard
the removal of legacy animation broke some stuff
you can fix them by using animators
sterile drift
^
vocal shard
but the average playbase won't have any idea how to do it
most of them used prefabs
so until someone replace all those system with a prefab, they won't have those systems anymore
sterile drift
And people don't know how to use the pin button and read the #animation channel
vocal shard
the toggle prop package that got shared is using legacy animations
so it's gone now
you can use animators to make it work again
but until a prefab is made by someone
nobody will really bother
night lark
it doesnt seem hard to convert them at all lol
vocal shard
Itโs not that itโs hard to convert them, itโs the fact we have to at all
night lark
i know
vocal shard
chayo, converting isnt the problem
Itโs like if you spent all your life using Windows 7, and then the next day you are suddenly forced to use Windows 10
problem is to disable animator component is a bit more complicated than an animation component
you need to set a behavior property by modifying directly the animation file
not in unity
but with a software like visual studio
night lark
got it working
lament frigate
Hey c:
tacit plank
VS sucks
Installing VS2016 bricked my VS2012, then I was asked to make an account to use it
Then next time I launch it, the fuckers locked me out because of "suspicious behaviour"
safe prism
Use something better then
safe prism
VSCode but youโre gonna be attached to .NET Core fwiw
vocal shard
they removed legacy animations
so if you uploaded a model with animation legacy after september 1st, it will not work
safe prism
VSC is great at unity and other stuff you donโt need to manually compile, and .net core as far as C# goes
kind folio
A lot of older avatars used the legacy animation for customized blinking.
vrchat pls.
vocal shard
you can still do custom blink with animators
nova zealot
vrchat biggay
sterile drift
"Easier" is subjective
Animators are REALLY easy for me to set up
@kind folio Check the pins in the #animation channel to learn how to.
rugged root
Ok just because they're easier for you doesn't mean they're easy for everyone
vocal shard
@rugged root it's literally making an animation and drag and dropping
you can't really say it's hard to do
sterile drift
lol
sterile prawn
And this only affects future avatars and those uploaded after September 1st so it's not like you need to go back and do the fix for all 300 of them
raven silo
well there people who change some stuff after sept 1st https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/449613520389144578/495531425643233291/cb6ba15f5d7fda0110756cc172b38448.png
like this person update 30 avatar after sept 1 with all Legacy Animation
sterile prawn
/shrug
raven silo
i think should be address month ago
and some one whould made tutiroals and try get people change over
median basalt
@vocal shard @sterile drift they could have fixed this particular exploit though
vocal shard
I said it before and ill say it here because rokk probably doesnt wanna say it again
median basalt
I avoided legacy wherever possible anyway, but that doesn't mean it doesn't still suck for all those cases that need legacy.
sterile drift
Agreed yes
vocal shard
Just check for absolute paths or paths that try to go up one level
sterile drift
But most cases tha tpeople did use Legacy for could easily be ported over
median basalt
Blinking and world objects turned out to be one hell of a puzzle though
I'm glad prefabs exist because there was no way I was gonna explain those to newer players
Especially since you're not supposed to enable/disable animator behaviors either within Unity
But at least I got blinking back to what it was before
vocal shard
i cant log into vrchat D:
oh wait
nvm i can
Idk where to ask this specifically, but Is there a way to optimize more graphics settings for vrchat? Or some mod to help. Because my game works perfectly with around 10 people, but then starts to go to lag spike when I hit more than 18+ people in a server.
velvet quarry
Afraid that's up to your rig, the world you're in and the avatars people choose to use
Optimization is basically in the hands of every player present
vocal shard
Put settings to vrlow or desktop too
Hold shift when starting vrchat
Itll take you to a settings menu
Yeah, I run in desktop low. (In vr)
red horizon
does changing settings in nvidia control panel help at all?
vocal shard
wh
uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
vrchat never had problems with my computer so yours should work fine too
velvet quarry
๐ค
red horizon
well i run a 1050, so i can barely get stable fps on many maps
safe prism
they don't think it be like it is but it do
red horizon
on vr*
delicate stump
!online
floral flaxBOT
There are 8099 users in VRChat currently
ruby needle
ofc not
trail rapids
if you're going VR don't get a 970 at least get a 1070 so you dont have to re-upgrade in a year lol
ruby needle
it would instantly catch fire 
mortal ember
uwu
tacit plank
I swear, software developers are turning retarded. I can't find a program which can change color hues reliably
Gimps color is always slightly off, and degrades the image in the process (despite only being meant to shift the color wheel)
tacit plank
I will try that, thank you!
Well, later, giving up for now since the rightclick menus suddenly stopped doing anything
mental haven
heyy vsauce michael here
i need people to play this game with pls dm
memes are included
grave dagger
oh wow, we're almost past 8000 users online. That hasn't happened in a while
rigid crescent
last weekend
floral flaxBOT
There are 7607 users in VRChat currently
true timber
So now that the legacy animations are removed, how am I supposed to have a blinking animation in Unity?
vocal shard
so I submitted a world 10 hours before I was meant to (didn't account for timezone difference) and am unsure how to cancel it
it hasn't been checked yet and its like 7 hours past the wait time
do I just leave it or what do I do?
@true timber use animator component instead
true timber
but I already have an animator component, doesn't everyone get an animator component on their avatar?
half apex
what's wrong with desktop users?
it would be interesting to have an option like that i guess.
maiden hound
yeah, i'd have it on haha. I was just crashed by a ear-raper
woven stone
Dat moment when most cancer groups are actually VR users
deep moon
"all avatars uploaded or modified after September 1st, 2018 will have any Legacy Animations removed. This will not affect non-Legacy animations, which make up the bulk of animations seen on VRChat avatars. Legacy animations are specifically those that the user has marked as Legacy through the Unity Debug menu."
what the fuck
maiden hound
@woven stone Do you ever see crashers with vr headsets?
half apex
actually, quite a few.
woven stone
or in other words 4/5 times its a VR user
maiden hound
Really? Because ive only seen people with giant guns or somethingin vr
im talking off of my own experiences
woven stone
I get crashed daily 2-3 times
I cant even report as much as I get crashed
From my expirience, its VR users >>>> Desktop
maiden hound
Same, I get fed up when it comes to having 1 frame per minute
woven stone
I am talking about actual hard game crashes, not lags
maiden hound
last night i was crashed by someone who put porn in front of my face and earraped asmr in my ear
woven stone
๐คท cant say I am surprised
maiden hound
Honestly same. also with the blue screens, I got 5 bluescreens this month
woven stone
Never got bluescreened because my PC is a beast and I got hit by everything already
but also, nothing I can say that is surprising me
Also, Security update, give us the option to turn off rigid bodies and dynamic bones
or else they just crash with that
maiden hound
Yeah, Also i heard there would be an option just to block someones avatar. Without blocking them all together
Which is a good idea, incase your friends avatar is lagging the fuck out of you but you still want to see them
subtle prawn
I've blocked 5 people yesterday because of annoying screen shakes . Even if done accidently I am going for the block button. I seen a guy begged a group in a public to not block him and apologized, they all still blocked him. ๐คท
woven stone
Who cares about an apology
subtle prawn
I laughed but it was quite sad at the same time
woven stone
you do some stupid shit, you have to be held accountable for it
subtle prawn
lol
woven stone
insta block
maiden hound
Yes I know screen shakers are so annoying! Once I fell onto my bed side table really badly and broke a glass and spilt water all over the ground. I cut the side of my back and it hurt so fucking bad for like 2 weeks
all because of one random ass screen shaker\
woven stone
If they do that in private worlds I couldn't care less
subtle prawn
1 rando leads me to 3 being blocked
gloomy valve
is anyone else having problems setting up props on avatars rn?
woven stone
Our blocklist has over 100 people on it, and that is people, not accounts.
So people with multiple accounts are not even added into the equation.
And all because of crashing or other toxic shit ๐คท
vocal shard
Is there a way to change the email on your VRChat account?
And how do you see what your current linked email is?
maiden hound
you need to be logged in on vrchat .net
queen mango
Well, they won't be getting back anytime soon.
Unless they hack their way out, in which case they'll get noticed.
subtle prawn
@vocal shard https://vrchat.net/home/profile
sterile drift
@maiden hound Your automatic assumption is that most crashers are desktop users. Oh, how naive you are.
rigid crescent
Yeah there's definitely lots of VR crashers.
maiden hound
I would think vr users would be less likely. Wouldn't it lag them, as well? @sterile drift
vocal shard
Ok ty
Particle limiter has worked perfect for me, so far
Plus its blocked a ton of annoying effs so far
woven stone
@maiden hound thats not how most crashes work lol, they point at you and you are dead. People around you dont even know wtf happened
no lags nothing, just puff
maiden hound
Really? I've never experienced that lol. Most crashers I've encountered use really laggy effects and lag me until i crash
rigid crescent
That might just be you lagging and crashing, an actual crash is typically instantaneous
or locks you up and then crashes
maiden hound
Oh, guess my computer is just really shitty. It's just people who use big effects or emotes that crash and lag the game for me. My friends dealt with it, too. Most cases we were in the same world and we both get super laggy or even crash
woven stone
Jop, thats either the lowest effort crash ever or your PC beeing actually too bad to handle the animations. Which you can now disable with the security update.
maiden hound
What about hand gestures with things spawning?
maiden hound
I guess, I dont really know. Like I still want hand gestures. But the gestures with emotes and spawning things like guns i want disabled
rigid crescent
You'd have to disable animations altogether, you'd see default hang gestures
and default facial gestures
sterile drift
VR Users have much more control over where they're pointing, so wouldn't a crash be more effective with them?
Plus it's pretty much equal either way
What kind of users have crash avatars.
rigid crescent
But you can just disable particles and shaders and probably be fine
maiden hound
@rigid crescent That'll be in the new update?
Wait, is the open-beta going to close?
rigid crescent
I dunno, but it'll be in the new update yeah
maiden hound
Thats good. I'm excited for the security update to be released fully
rigid crescent
Yeah I'll finally be able to enjoy public worlds, hopefully plenty of people follow suit and start leaving friends+ and private worlds
queen mango
Hopefully
rigid crescent
That's the main reason most people I've spoken to only stay in those rooms, so I don't see why not. There's not much reason to stay in a private/Friends+ unless you only want to hang out with those people or you're doing NSFW stuff.
maiden hound
At least we'll get more security rather than the only way to really stop laggers is to block everyones avatars. which ruins the life in vrchat
tacit plank
Public are a hit or miss
I think they have both the best and the worst VRChat has to offer
maiden hound
exactly ^
rigid crescent
I'm not really sure what I'm trying to say here, so bare with me, but I've found that, since Publics became less used in the last 5 or so months, the "quality" of people in them has gone down, like all the people I'd like to be friends with tend to be Friends of Friends of Friends of Friends, etc.
rough flax
@woven stone @maiden hound there is a time and place for screen shake shaders, but not to instantly hit the block button when you see it. It's a tiny bit of shake, it's not gonna hurt you,. Nobody uses extremely shake. Only a couple of people I hang out with and it fits their animation.
rigid crescent
Not to say that they aren't nice people in publics, but a lot of them seem to be people that never fit into a group or something
maiden hound
@rough flax Yes I know, I wasnt talking about blocking shakers. I just said my experience with a screen shaker (being falling over and getting glass stuck in my back.) It's fucking dizzying ๐
rigid crescent
Like the "leftovers" or something. That's not to say everyone is like that, but I've found that there's less people I'd want to interact with than there used to be when I made most of my friends in publics.
white saffron
When I hear YA YA YA i instantly block avatars out of fear of shaders
rigid crescent
"nobody uses extremely shake" that's almost all the screenshake I see, I rarely see "good" use of it
Good use of it would be something like a slight shake with a landing animation when you spawn or something, but most of it is just bass boosted music. I see much, much more bad use of screen shaders than good.
maiden hound
everytime a screen shaker shakes me i get so dizzy. I fell over into the side of a table and broke a glass, one time i bumped into my bed and hit my head on the side of it, sometimes i fall. ๐
what im trying to say is that they are still annoying. and its extremely useless. Like the only thing the players get out of it is showing off there new emote
subtle prawn
Don't use screen shakes if you're afraid of people blocking you, simple. I don't care if it matches your animation. Get blocked anyway
rigid crescent
Yeah, typically they're just used to be annoying, that's the most common application otherwise this wouldn't even be a topic of complaint people have.
maiden hound
Yeah, screen shakers its self arent laggy and dont crash me. But its extremely useless and it just interrupts the things you're doing in vrchat
rough flax
This is why vrchat is bad, sjws not allowing screen shakes..
maiden hound
are you a screen shaker @rough flax ?
rough flax
If you turn off shaders and animations, might as well make everyone a cube 
maiden hound
Do you at least go into private worlds to show it off?
rigid crescent
LOL comparing animations and shaders for a low poly cube
rough flax
My anim isn't finished. Too much shake and haven't added it to all the bass parts of the song.
rough flax
At the point you see default shader and no animations. Just a stiff avatar, might as well just make it a cube or a Y bot.
maiden hound
people like purpleheart are just waiting to be blocked by most of the population in vrchat
rigid crescent
They're just trolling, best to ignore them so they don't get that savory attention they crave lol
maiden hound
๐ haha, yeah.
rough flax
You want vrchat to turn into a weeb simulator full of fluff and cuteness instead of memes.
Memes is what makes this game it. This game got popular off of a meme. The knuckles.. not cause you could be your own small fluffy waifu
maiden hound
k before i leave to go play vr, ima just say this. @rough flax , vrchat offers social vr experiences. Not just weebs. Its for playing games, making friends, and just hanging out.
worldly viper
The Knuckles brought a lot of players, myself included, to VRChat. The meme got ouf of fashion but I still love them.
rigid crescent
They're fine when they're not intrusive, when it's at the point you're shoving them in someone's face to annoy them then it becomes a problem.
maiden hound
like 10% of the vrchat players actually roleplay as their character
worldly viper
What is the issue here?
tacit plank
VRChat is for having avatars, using body language, being creative and productive, giving people an immersive experience