i didnt have any issues with any other game either
#vrchat-general-2
novel plover
Is someone really used to C# here that could PM me on discord ? i have a little project i'd like to talk with, more like a "job"
versed cape
now that i properly have 16gb again i just went on and got solid 90
where i'd get no higher than 30 prior and around 15 in a decently busy world
twin jacinth
๐ค
versed cape
i was at 80% ram usage on 8gb ddr4 3200 with only discord open
sitting idle in a world by myself
and 95% cpu usage on i7 7700k
so im sure it's a combination of both his processor and ram
im pretty sure more ram would fix his issue
versed cape
what did the oracle say?
vocal shard
No issues of the like with vrchat specifically
I used -intel to get rid of comparison sites
odd beacon
@vocal shard new CPU is a Ryzen 5 2600, old one was amd fx 6300
vocal shard
So I was told
It's truely strange
If you had a throttling from overheating all your games would run bad
I say you report it to them
subtle prawn
I run on this laptop 15-30 fps depending on world and population
https://imgur.com/a/liCWaeY
vocal shard
Probably some new addition to the most recent 2018 update has some horrible effects on ryzen systems
twin jacinth
Honestly the specs should be able to run it on minimum 30 fps
1060
Ryzen 5 2600
8GB Ram
Right?
problem is even in desktop mode which makes it all more weird.
vocal shard
^
versed cape
the desktop mode thing is the only thing throwing me off
subtle prawn
plus it only vrchat causing that problem
quartz basin
I have a Ryzen 5 2600, RF 480 so even worse GPU and I run it just fine.
versed cape
as in my issue wasnt reallly an issue in desktop
quartz basin
90fps with 6 people in a room
versed cape
granted i wasnt getting full 90 constantly in desktop
i was definitely doing better than in vr
vocal shard
I run an i3 second gen with igpu and I run just fine
versed cape
how much ram you got sails?
twin jacinth
Yeah, the 30 fps is just to set it on a minimum as it will most likely run 45fps-90fps most of the time depening on the world/players.
quartz basin
I have 16 but VRchat is just using 1GB of RAM for me
quartz basin
90 in VR
vocal shard
I think something is throttling vrchat's use of ram
quartz basin
He said he was running VR fine with his older CPU
versed cape
8gb on windows 10
vocal shard
Like
versed cape
windows and other shit will suck all the rest of your ram away
vocal shard
It should be able to use more
versed cape
vocal shard
I still think this issue needs to be brought to the devs' attention
quartz basin
How does all of this add up to 82% of RAM usage?
You must have 1000 of micro programs open
vocal shard
Or google Chrome
versed cape
its all windows shit
vocal shard
๐
vocal shard
Same
Google Chrome is shit
I was gonna say go linux but at the moment with the CoC crap going on stick to windows
versed cape
but yeah just with windows services and shit running i think i had battle.net open
and discord
that shit was 82% of 8gb of ram
8gb is really low for windows 10 imo
steep fulcrum
twin jacinth
Like that's just you having lots of shit on your computer?
I don't have that problem but i installed windows myself and uninstalled unesscary shit.
subtle prawn
That RAM usage tho. Even just adding what was shown its about 42% in that image
vocal shard
.
twin jacinth
i'm at my work computer atm
Oof
tacit plank
I got "Close programs to avoid losing data!" in Japan town due to a memory leak recently, running 32GB
Win10 is bloated spyware
vocal shard
Windows XP deserved more support
subtle prawn
lol
tacit plank
Personally I liked win XP the best, but I doubt many of my games will run on it
vocal shard
^
versed cape
xp was amazing
vocal shard
I have steam on XP
tacit plank
WinXP is the last Windows to allow .gif files as wallpaper
vocal shard
twin jacinth
Windows 10 could be considered a virus LuL
not saying it's the best os
versed cape
it practically is
tacit plank
Viruses replicate themselves, Windows 10 charges money
versed cape
i mean they made it free initially
how do you think they did that
putting all this garbage in it
tacit plank
Spyware though, definitely. Also malware as it doesn't care what you want, it will force whatever shit on you it can legally get away with
subtle prawn
Next best lite OS? ๐ฎ
tacit plank
Only good OS seems to be Unix, but there are a lot of coders on it and apparently it's slowly turning into a mess
subtle prawn
Hm the last thing I used other than windows was Mint years ago ๐ค
twin jacinth
''Linux is a UNIX Clone. But if you consider Portable Operating System Interface (POSIX) standards then Linux can be considered as UNIX. To quote from Official Linux kernel README file: Linux is a Unix clone written from scratch by Linus Torvalds with assistance from a loosely-knit team of hackers across the Net''
vocal shard
Linux is doomed because linus is gone
tacit plank
I think Linux is a unix fork
odd beacon
Anyway I sent a support email about the issue I'm having last night, I really hope I can get this fixed soon
twin jacinth
You're better of trying stuff in the meanwhile
24-48 hour respons time
versed cape
Get yourself another 8gb of ram and I guarantee it fixes it
tacit plank
Ram it into your mobo
odd beacon
I don't see myself upgrading my ram any time soon, the 8 gb of ddr4 I got was already like $75
versed cape
Ssd wouldn't hurt either
vocal shard
Im gonna fill my ram with your data daddy ๐ ๐ฆ ๐ฉ
twin jacinth
ram is shit expensive atm, try things that were suggest to you and if nothing works you can try to upgrade the ram.
i got my ram for 80 eur back in 2016 and now it's 260 eur ๐คท
odd beacon
it's just weird that, at the same amount of RAM and slower speed when I had my old CPU and motherboard it ran fine
Or at least at a playable framerates
Like it wasn't stuck at 13 constantly
versed cape
Yeah I don't remember my ram costing that much
twin jacinth
800? where the hell do you live
versed cape
16gb ddr4 3200 I want to say it was right around $100
odd beacon
When I looked on pcpartpicker 16 gb of ddr4 3000mhz was like $125 - $150
versed cape
I got mine like 2 years ago though
twin jacinth
Here 16gb ddr4 3200 is 260 eur
crazy af considering it was 80
vocal shard
I dont think I have ddr4 ram in stock around here
tacit plank
Denmark btw
twin jacinth
uh really? i live in Norway
Should've we have pretty similar prices?
or is it all Kamelรฅsรฅ over there?
odd beacon
I just really don't think this is an issue about how much RAM I have, at least not at first glance. If it was a memory leak of some sort or my ram hitting 100% I think it would just hitch and stutter, not stay at like a consistent 12 fps
I'll try the suggestions when I get home though
modern cairn
k-kamelรฅsรฅ
versed cape
Yeah holy shit ram is $200 now
vocal shard
Miners amirite
odd beacon
Yeah Ram's been stupid expensive for a while now
It's not even miners that are making ram expensive
It's dram manufacturers doing it pretty much just because they can
vocal shard
The companies liked the boom
They want it to go on forever
Look at nvidia
Meme RTX 2xxx series at fucking 1k us dollars
versed cape
But honesty I don't think it's just your ram
vocal shard
For 25% performance boost
odd beacon
There's something about them getting sued in China for price fixing so I'm hoping something comes of that
vocal shard
Same
versed cape
But I think more ram will be the easiest cheapest fix
versed cape
Its a combination of cpu ram and hdd
odd beacon
I'd rather try and see if it's a software problem first before spending another $75 throwing hardware at a software problem
And a problem I'm only having in a single game at that
versed cape
I highly doubt it is seeing as I had similar results with a much more powerful computer
15-30 fps
odd beacon
I had a worse processor before this that absolutely sucked in terms of IPC and single-threaded performance but it didn't run this bad, like if I was in an empty room I'd get 45-90, and if I'm with a few friends I'd stay around 30 - 45, and with the same amount of RAM now it stays at 12 or so when I first start the game up at the loading screen
Like the spinning vrchat logo is at a low framerate
versed cape
Idk I can't explain your previous pc but compared to what happened with mine
You said you had fresh install access its the only game doing it
So I don't see how it's possible to be a software issuue
odd beacon
Yeah, reinstalled the game, VRchat's the only game with this low of a framerate, rocket league and hotdogs, horseshoes, & hand grenades run fine
Haven't tried doom yet since I don't have it installed
crisp chasm
here a 2x8 kit 2400mhz is $200
versed cape
Do you know someone that has the ram they can throw in your tower to test?
odd beacon
Can't say I do
quartz basin
Can you take screenshots of your RAM usage while playing VRchat and other games?
versed cape
Idk good luck though
vocal shard
Hey everyone, looking for some advice. I ordered a budget vr but I don't have a headset yet. Any recommendations? I will mostly be playing in bed. So would a headset be uncomfortable?
neck pillow
quartz basin
He must be american
lavish knot
question
does VRchar support tracking of (eventual) skeletal input?
stuff like fingers from the knuckles controllers, and maybe some tracking/maths on how a body would orient
sitting on the knees vs sitting on the butt
vocal shard
is mixamo broken right now?
lavish knot
that skeletal tracking
vocal shard
Im trying to add my models to mixamo but my model is invisible
floral aspen
They are working on knuckles support right now. And you can already do what you are describing with full body tracking
vocal shard
?
lavish knot
@floral aspen what stuff actually supports full body tracking atm?
floral aspen
^
lavish knot
no, i mean
what examples of hardware can you give me?
that does that
no that fucking tracks 3 points
yeah that'd do it
wait
besides the HMD
oh
nice
lemme look that up
floral aspen
with those three trackers you can get accurate hip/leg tracking.
You can sit on your knees or on the floor like you were describing and your avatar will reflect that in game
You can also use the trackers with the rift if you buy a Vive lighthouse
lavish knot
@viral stratus kinect is CV with one focal point
lavish knot
these are just more points to add math to
steep turret
never claimed to be sane
lavish knot
so no wonder it's better
steep turret
also this is late as fuuck
lavish knot
hmmm
dont you need like
4 trackers
no i mean
to track it all 100% accurately
lemme explain
2 on the fore-arms
maybe near the elbow
and 2 on the lower calfs
floral aspen
The kind of tracking you are describing isn't possible in VRChat right now
quartz basin
You would get more precise tracking with the kinect if VRchat would actually track more than just 6 points.
twin jacinth
vrc only supports 1 or 3 trackers i think
lavish knot
ye thats what i thought
i wanted to ask that exactly
but it sounds interesting
that could... work
twin jacinth
There's a video on 6-7 trackers on youtube
looks awesome
floral aspen
I've seen a full body suit that does mocap stuff used in VR, but VRChat probably doesn't support it, and it's hella expensive
lavish knot
vocal shard
Neck pillow is a great idea thanks
dapper stump
Trackers on ur feets cause you to lose a bit tracking on the legs, ankles is best if you want to dance or have accurate legs
Feet lets you move the actual feets ingame which is nice but yeah i prefer the better leg movement
lavish knot
hmmmm
steep turret
I still get shook when I see full body users. shit be cray cray.
lavish knot
you need... 4/5 body trackers + accurate finger position tracking
to do the fortnite default dance
:)
vocal shard
Yes but
dapper stump
Orange justice is possible with 3 dont ask how i know, totally didnt do it
lavish knot
stamina 100
vocal shard
How many trackers does it take to yeet
steep turret
11
vocal shard
Yeetus that fetus
lavish knot
whomstve is a yeet
vocal shard
Yote
steep turret
yeet that meat ๐ฆ
lavish knot
๐
steep turret
๐ฆ๐
lavish knot
๐ฆ ๐ฉ
steep turret
hey why did the duck cross the road
steep turret
get out of my mind
lavish knot
why did the frog jump off the building
lavish knot
because it kormitted suicide
vocal shard
Why did the cat walk under the bridge
Because it feels like it stop being fucking nosy
Cats deserve privacy
Especially in spring
steep turret
ducks are superior
lavish knot
alexa this is so sad, play YEETapico
lavish knot
@steep turret do you by any chance watch ducktales
subtle prawn
๐ฆ ๐ซ
lavish knot
๐ฆ ๐ซ
lavish knot
๐ซ ๐ฆ
steep turret
๐ฅ๐ฆ๐ฅ flame duck activate
lavish knot
duck's about to fuck shit up
steep turret
the quackening
modern sand
#general-media please
queen mango
Welp. Time to move this over there
signal wren
when dos the new vrchat system comeo ut
paper pecan
Next beta will be sometime soon
signal wren
So Helpful lol.
polar jasper
Itโs the best answer you will get at the moment.
quiet prawn
Hopefully the next beta isn't filled with quite the passion that was around the last one. Or, at least a different tyoe of passion.
empty wharf
There a mod who can confirm my models arenโt against ToS
cinder pier
What was wrong with the last beta?
umbral reef
id guess he refers to the really fanatic veteran players or the code being leaked
cinder pier
I never heard any of my friends complain about that. Instead they were more interested in how to get it. The only complaints I heard were from normal users that thought they should be at least known users
vocal shard
I guess I'm just more excited to see patch notes than what the actual patch notes say. Lol
umbral reef
Well i can list you an fair bit of valid complains and most of those are resolved in an big way atleast so
rough pulsar
Still far from perfect from what I've heard of the changes made. As far as I'm concerned any kind of ranking system with status to gain will fuck the social dynamics up in a bad way.
vocal shard
There were quite a few pre 2018 players who didn't get even trusted... So a few of them complained. I think that why the updated system says it puts a bit more weight on account age
umbral reef
And all i can suggest you to do is be in less circle jerk type communities if they mainly complained about there ranks nothing else.
Its not bad but if that was the head complaint... Then those users did not really look good towards the system
odd beacon
When it goes public ranks above user will be hidden to others by default
summer fable
Hi everyone!
umbral reef
@rough pulsar The default turning off the ranks being displayed helps a lot imo
Atleast it removes one of my complaints
Same for removing the useless veteran rank
Fรฉz thats not how the system works...
And why would they block most users manually then?
vocal shard
Only of they choose to have that blocked
cinder pier
That's what I thought any social ranking system is going to have problems. As I understood the vet rank was a reward tier and nothing more. More like an incentive to contribute more towards the community
umbral reef
They could just as good disable the custom animations and be done
vocal shard
Only those overly scared... I'll leave everything on... Maybe new player disable particles... But that's it
rough pulsar
A number of the complaints about the ranking was that either users who've been around for years, literally years, didn't get it. Along with some very unpleasant users who did have it.
umbral reef
@cinder pier If it really worked like that- Yea it would be nice but still unfair and pointless to have within a trust system instead of its own separate thing.
But it did not work as well as peeps claimed it did... There where so many users who never made content or played a lot that got it just because they had the right friends or other ??? stuff like that
umbral reef
@vocal shard Disable there animations then...
No need to hit the particles as they cant turn on there crashing stuff (and other normal things) but still have an normal base loaded avatar
odd beacon
Not everyone's gonna block you immediately, only dicks who really wanna go out of their way to block you because of your rank will
vocal shard
But I want to see their animations
tacit plank
then enable them lol
cinder pier
I'm going to leave everything on anyways xd
umbral reef
Then turn off particles and shaders 
vocal shard
I will.... Just replaying to oclac
rugged mesa
The rank system that you all are talking about is the veteran user, known user and new user stuff on the test server, right?
rough pulsar
My issue with it is how it (even just during the beta) was able to divide people into what rank they were, and while some were jokes, there were several serious cases of "Oh you're [rank], don't talk to me", or people madly trying to friend people of high ranks just to bring theirs up.
odd beacon
Veteran doesn't really exist anymore but yeah
ruby burrow
You'll still be hit with the noise and shader spam that way though Jamie.
umbral reef
To be fair- with the new system
What does the particle thing do when not turned on? does it allow everything from particles again or does it just set the numbers insanely high so that only world crashsers work with particles?
ruby burrow
Which is both far more common, and also can actually crash you unlike particles.
vocal shard
I never really had a problem before the update
So I'm fine turning most of the settings off
vocal shard
I think it still works....
rough pulsar
What is needed is simply the bottom half of this system. Known troublemakers get quickly limited and cease to be a problem, making public worlds more appealing.
umbral reef
Dope- Then you just throw that stuff on jamie and you are safe
vocal shard
Got it 
rough pulsar
Falls back to the unity standard shader
vocal shard
Goes to standard shader
ivory folio
You aren't completely safe unless you completely disable avatars
umbral reef
Depends- If they are whitelisted they stay as they are not bad
Else it falls back to the base shaders and tries to mimic as many properties as it can
rough pulsar
Or one of a few whitelisted shaders, usually NPR ones.
umbral reef
@ivory folio Well- I dont think people crashing themself will turn into a big problem
cinder pier
That's be like playing single player vrc
umbral reef
I hope not atleast lmao
odd beacon
Either unity standard shaders or fallback
Like if you're using cubed's it'll still display cubed's
ivory folio
They don't have to crash themselves to get you ๐ค
rough pulsar
If it's a self-made shader you can match some of your shader property names to those in the standard shader to ensure compatability.
umbral reef
How can they crash you then if they cant use any animations at all?
ivory folio
Mesh crash enabled on the avatar all the time
Parented to the head so it doesn't render for the user
ivory folio
I mean that's worse case scenario
ruby burrow
Disabling animations certainly kills the vast majority of crash methods, but it's not fool proof no.
umbral reef
But same goes for disabling shaders...
You can make avatars that look super bad when shaders are turned off and totally normal and dope when on
rough pulsar
If the mesh crash uses the technique I think it does then disabling shaders will stop it.
ivory folio
Nope
ruby burrow
Though it does force crashers to be more "all or nothing", or at least far more obvious.
ivory folio
Well probably some use tessellation but a raw mesh crash is just high poly meshes
raven silo
still need anti-cheat on client it self even block shader and particle somone figure way crash with client
it self
umbral reef
Well we are talking about one right now... And anti crash things that just get you banned wont really help you with that even
vocal shard
wait for the new update to come out
1 week after somebody will make a modded client that bypass your blocks
enjoy
raven silo
mod client give access to ranks
rough pulsar
Pretty much. D:
raven silo
i see that happen
umbral reef
Cant bypass my blocks if i dont block anyone 
tacit plank
Won't happen
cinder pier
After this update will crashers come up with more clever ways to crash and that'll promt the Dev team to create security patches
tacit plank
They can't do anything serversided, they're not smart enough
ivory folio
Client crashing will be popular
tacit plank
The current exploits are just really easy, the problem will improve
umbral reef
@tacit plank To be fair knowing this game something stupid like an client telling you what rank they are ... ๐
raven silo
@tacit plank there been mod client edit the name tag look like mod
that not full protected ether need something to protect client give server info
ruby burrow
Forcing them to work harder, still only makes it harder for them. Worst case scenario, is they start nuking rooms wholesale in protest, and force the devs to do something more drastic.
raven silo
should not be able
umbral reef
But jazneothat can also just be done with an shader
vocal shard
I do think the ranks will hinder new players in a way though. In a game with so many people saying they have social anxiety (or afraid of being judged)... It doesn't seem like a good move
rough pulsar
Oh boy. I can already feel my inbox preparing for the inevitable flood of "why am I banned for checking my rank lol" messages >:|
tacit plank
Nah, it's a shader jaz
raven silo
@umbral reef shader easy can tell
rough pulsar
@vocal shard Agreed. The social ramifications of this system don't seem to be fully considered so far.
ruby burrow
But they won't be as able to just hang out by mirrors, and pick off single individuals on a whim.
umbral reef
Ow if you have someone who knows how to do there shader shit you wont notice it unless your looking for it
rough pulsar
On the flip side however, it makes new users easier to identify and give them help integrating into the community.
cinder pier
Yes can't wait to talk to them
rough pulsar
Checking via legit means is fine. Using a modified client to check is not.
ruby burrow
You won't need to once the update arrives anyway. ._.
raven silo
api check wont get banned
cinder pier
Just ask a friend to check using sneps website
raven silo
snep and owlboy webpage would been shutdown if that was true lol
ruby burrow
Or just ask anyone in game?
quiet prawn
indeed
umbral reef
Can also do what there website does manually
ruby burrow
Or did I miss some aspect of this discussion? ^ ^;
rough pulsar
I could have also misinterpreted something someone said. I have a cold and a few days ago I forgot what 5 looked like.
tacit plank
Ah, if there's going to be any false positives, it's best to avoid bans
raven silo
want to check api friend here go http://snep.pw/friends/
tacit plank
For now, why not just do a "if userAgent.contains("mozilla") {return false;} and add ranks to auth
umbral reef
Tape on hairy legs aint fun man
tacit plank
If you even want them secret
ruby burrow
Until the update actually arrives, it really doesn't matter. When it does I'm going to use the, "Hi, what colour is my tag?" method.
Assuming it's not shown in the UI anyway.
tacit plank
Well, then it will be just like now, no?
If every part of the new system is hidden, there's not much point in adding it
vocal shard
@raven silo you can check who you blocked ?
ruby burrow
I must have misunderstood what's actually being discussed.
cinder pier
Xd
vocal shard
more than 150 of them are steam users
still looking at my block list but at least 80% is steam user also
cinder pier
I didn't expect my list to be that big either
vocal shard
@ruby burrow i think they were saying if someone made a modified client to check ranks, then got banned from that
yeah
most people i blocked or muted are steam user
i wonder why.
cinder pier
I wonder...
vocal shard
I hope the do have a way to tell steam users that their account is a guest account
cinder pier
Steam users are visitors arent they ?
vocal shard
yes
i'm just guessing here
but visitors are steam user
new user is a vrchat account without the right to upload
user is an account that just got the upload rights
ruby burrow
Turns out I'm on under 20 mutes and under 15 blocks.
I should really go through my list of old crasher reports and actually block those people.
ruby burrow
They aren't going to earn their nuisance rank if I don't help do my part.
cinder pier
What happens if your friend gets a nuisance rank? Will he still be blocked automatically or follow your friend settings?
polar jasper
Will follow friend setting
cinder pier
Time to go though my friends list...
polar jasper
They are considered trusted by you
ruby burrow
Dunno. It says that they can only see other nuisances, but friend setting might override it still.
vocal shard
I wonder how the nuisance rank is determined tho... Because just blocks and kicks seems too exploitable
Not that it's how it works
ruby burrow
It would yeah. That's something I've been wondering.
vocal shard
I don't know
polar jasper
Blocking and kicking has little effect. Reporting is the best way
When you report they will also check the users history and see if they have been votekicked/blocked a lot
vocal shard
nuisance rank is probably a pretty complicated system
i wonder if it isnt manually applied honestly
cinder pier
Reporting is the best way to get them banned but if blocks and mutes are exploitable how would they earn the nuisance rank
vocal shard
because kicks and blocks obviously isnt all there is
polar jasper
Just FYI, I only base this in assumption of how the system works
vocal shard
anybody could just exploit that
It's just, usually people only report for banable things
maybe if you got banned for 1 week, 1 month, 1 year ?
polar jasper
Moderators have final say if they deserve the rank or not
vocal shard
if so i will probably have a nuisance tag 
ruby burrow
Perhaps they're adding a system to scan for and detect hip-hop style hats and rap music?
ruby burrow
Virtual Chav starter kit > Hip-hop hat, translucent neon gun, rainbow outline shader, ugly redundant floating nametag.
vocal shard
chromatic aberration shader
bass boosted rap music
and you get the typical user with no personality
90% of time he is also a crasher
I have no personality...
Lol
@vocal shard your model is unique, wdym ?
Tru
ruby burrow
The floating nametag has honestly been helpful in the past, when part of the crash spam had obscured the normal nametag, I was still able to search logs and report them using the one floating on their head.
vocal shard
Lol
i never saw anyone with your model
or something close to it
That was the goal 
let me cache rip your model real quick
imma leak it on that website
cinder pier
Xd
ruby burrow
Bah. Time to go to work, again. Lousy overtime shifts. Guess I gotta pay my VR bills somehow. >_>
Laters peoples.
vocal shard
enjoy
cinder pier
Have fun
vocal shard
Cya
Oof, if my model appeared on that site.. 
I'd make a new one I guess.....
Lol
i wonder if tupper put his bot again
yeah he did
does any link work tho
yeah it does
nice
.... The links still works for me
Was the bot supposed to stop that?
they do ?
they are removed for me
this is what i see https://i.imgur.com/SRQfdNQ.png
I'll try changing channels
I still see them
cinder pier
I see them
vocal shard
bot broke
cinder pier
But I'm on mobile
vocal shard
they got removed for me tho
like
Same
like isntantly removed
i can't even delete them since i dont even see them
cinder pier
They're still there. And they're the worst links too
vocal shard
i want to ping tupper but i dont think he is going to appreciate that
cinder pier
The bowsette one got removed for u @vocal shard
vocal shard
This is an emergency tho
floral aspen
I think I saw someone bypass the bot by just not putting the s at the end
vocal shard
and the orange justice didnt got deleted before so i wanted to test
floral aspen
yup
quiet prawn
rip
floral aspen
lets not
quiet prawn
Can we not?
cinder pier
Lol
odd beacon
A friend of mine imported a Lain avatar and doesn't care if people steal it because he thinks it's kinda fitting to see a bunch of Lains running around
steep turret
accurate
lean oracle
can someone help me out?
vocal shard
What is it?
lean oracle
There is all the hand gestures you can do right? but how is each of them called in the override?
modern sand
Point / Palm / Peace / RockNRoll / Gun / Thumbs up / Fist
vocal shard
Can't remember exactly... I think it:
Fist
Hand open
Point
Finger gun
Victory
Rocker
Thumbs up
Ooh
K
lean oracle
ty
vocal shard
My bad
lean oracle
how is peace, thumbs up, palm labeled in the override?
lean oracle
k thx
you mentioned finger gun which i can't see in the override
:/
i guess its just the handgun
thorny halo
yeah its handgun
quiet prawn
Did someone say finger guns? 
thorny halo
quiet prawn
lean oracle
floral narwhal
For those who knew me as either Suckerpunch or ใใ, I finally chose a rightful name for myself, which is Wotamin. This only took 4 accounts, lmfao.
floral narwhal
Fuck you XD
steep turret
a healthy dose of wotamins will keep you strong and healthy
tacit plank
It's not a bad name
floral narwhal
There's an Utaite who goes by that. So I though "Eh, why not. It's not taken."
For the uncultured swines, Utaites are real singers who cover vocaloid songs, but have a persona character instead of their real selves.
twin jacinth
I've had my name now for 8 years on all platforms \o/
Was the name of the rat i had like 10-12 years ago, can't exactly remember when.
vocal shard
You could have just emailed support to change name.
twin jacinth
^This too, i did the same.
floral narwhal
Yeah, but I regretted my name so many times, I would have pissed them off, haha
mighty galleon
you changed it again
fierce girder
vocal shard
...
rough flax
Blocking shaders, animations, particles and blocking people 
odd beacon
@quartz basin @versed cape @vocal shard here's my cpu and ram usage from vrchat while i'm in my home world https://i.imgur.com/L8ma2aR.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/kcpxxLN.jpg
vocal shard
Ight
odd beacon
I have hyperthreading/multithreading disabled in the bios to try and see if that was causing it but it acts the same way whether it's on or off
latent ruin
Do we have a date for the update?
rough pulsar
Nope. 
latent ruin
Ah okay
mighty galleon
nope
rough pulsar
Yes, it's a joke. They're retuning some stuff with it and may have a second open beta when it's appropriate, then a release if there's no critical issues.
mighty galleon
hi born
latent ruin
Phew.. Other wise I was gonna slap myself for being so impatient
whole lodge
Really wish blocking all avatars didn't reload your friends that you already have loaded
winged quartz
Hello, Sean
whole lodge
Hello, Richard.
mighty galleon
lol why born
whole lodge
Saves you from lag
rough flax
It's not true, it's bullshit
winged quartz
it's mind sickening
mighty galleon
i block people all the time
whole lodge
Uh... Huh.
rough flax
Blocking avatars was an easy way of not having the game update to 2018 to actually use your CPU properly.
whole lodge
Yo.
winged quartz
that new vrpill avatar is creepy
I'm scared
it's like it's staring deep into my soul
vocal shard
perfect for Halloween then
winged quartz
while I'm not looking
mighty galleon
?
winged quartz
just look at that
mighty galleon
where?
winged quartz
in the user list...
winged quartz
mighty galleon
maybe i should update my pic too
winged quartz
@vocal shard help me
winged quartz
I'm scared
vocal shard
That's pills anger towards someone else.... Pill is your friend ^^
vocal shard
that's the face you see before getting the 1 year
sonic verge
@tulip bloom are you on????
im nearly dead sleepy but someone asked for me to stay up to meet ya lol
cinder pier
The face you see when working on the ranking system
sonic verge
am barely alive here
sonic verge
2am and im forcing myself to stay in this shit lol
clear birch
Crick
winged quartz
that face stared deep into my soul when the game updated
mighty galleon
be like terrior
mighty galleon
idk
winged quartz
@sonic verge let me be you
tulip bloom
Am in game now plz send invite
winged quartz
it's your uber driver... am ingame
mighty galleon
you mean outside my game?
mighty galleon
good
modern wyvern
Hello im new \o/
vocal shard
Hello New, I'm Advert. Welcome to the VRC Discord server
modern wyvern
Thank you very much :3
to you too, Helton
tranquil perch
๐ needs more dad jokes
solid night
vocal shard
fresh meat
tulip bloom
@sonic verge Am in world where r u
vocal shard
me likey
mighty galleon
advert
vocal shard
...
mighty galleon
jamie
mighty galleon
i need help
vocal shard
Hm?
...
I'm not directly allowed to pat them be because of Ghosto ๐ญ
Why are you trying to make me your pet 
You've been at this for days
mighty galleon
i need avatar help jamie
tranquil perch
avatar questions are best put in #avatars-2-general
mighty galleon
how does one make their avatar look like jamie
vocal shard
Tis a secret
mighty galleon
damn
vocal shard
Can someone just headpat Jamie already*?!*
mighty galleon
-pats jamie-
vocal shard
I'm not a cat! 
No pet
-Messes Jamie's hair up-
But you are Green, and I gave you a Green Gif feast*!*
mighty galleon
oh my
mighty galleon
jamie i need help with jamie related things
vocal shard
mighty galleon
idk, i just want to talk to jamie
sonic verge
finally the meet
mighty galleon
btw what kind of designs jamie
vocal shard
I'm going to make an avatar world, but custom mmd designs... Not just downloaded or recolored OCs from DeviantArt
So I'm looking for designs for avatars to make
mighty galleon
i can give you some ideas then xD
vocal shard
Sure...
mighty galleon
well, mine are all based on scary things
vocal shard
Sean's are actually really decent
Yeah.... I'm more looking for something I can put together with mmd parts.. I can't model much
Just enough to modify things
Reskining or adding layers*?*
I start with a blank base, no clothes or hair. Then add different hair, clothes, accessories. Modify the parts to they are a bit unique still. Then retexure everything
Easy... But usually looks unique enough
Compared to most MMD models imo
mighty galleon
then i suggest making some designs that are more on the summer feel, or maybe one for winter since winters coming soon
like a floofy jacket, gloves and maybe ear muffs
vocal shard
I mean, you did choose darker green, which isn't usually seen in Vrchat...
Ooh, didn't think of the winter thing
Yeah, that's why I made the hair like that
I was gonna go red originally
mighty galleon
maybe have each section in the map have a different feel to them, so like a summer, winter, fall, spring feel
vocal shard
Nice
mighty galleon
it will help people who roleplay and wanna have a specific look for specific maps
vocal shard
Yeah, thanks for that idea ^^
mighty galleon
no problem
i think it'd be popular if you did something like that, b/c most avatar maps all have the same kinda feel to them, like they're all ment for warm weather
mighty galleon
yep
vocal shard
Overclothed can look great too...
mighty galleon
i wish you luck on your idea for the avatar world though jamie
mighty galleon
i didnt think you'd do something like that for ranks
vocal shard
I really don't care about them lol
mighty galleon
i wanna make a map but im to lazy to make it, only want it to be my own home world
mighty galleon
i want to make my apartment into vrchat
vocal shard
Do it
uncut trail
Guess no patch this week
mighty galleon
too lazy after making the layout
vocal shard
Lmao
cinder pier
Just make my apartment your home world ^^
At least we should have a hotfix for the YouTube-dl
mighty galleon
well i want my stuff in it and to put stuff on the wall xD
i'm planning to put my oc and its backstory on the wall and my friends version of it as the little sister xD
cinder pier
I don't blame you. I have my own custom private home world too
grave dagger
I hope we get to test the new open beta tonight ๐
cinder pier
I just want that hotfix
mighty galleon
jamie make my apartment for me xD ill pay you in the future
mighty galleon
gotta get the world id
vocal shard
Select the world in the world's menu. There's a "make home" button on the top right
cinder pier
Going to the world menu. Selecting the world and make home
mighty galleon
oh i for some reason thought he ment spawn world
vocal shard
.... The one you first load into the game with... Yeah
cinder pier
That used to be the old method
For some reason I miss the old hub
I mean not the old old one
cinder pier
Thx
mighty galleon
the art style is nice
cinder pier
I can't remember where I got it from but I photoshopped it quite a bit. Changed the colour etc
gloomy valve
Not bad for an edit
cinder pier
It was a very quick edit. I was bored of my old pfp
gloomy valve
Makes sense
Had to deal with another toxic user last night. Thank god for the block button 
mighty galleon
yep
gloomy valve
Like idk why people still make it their lifes goal to talk down to furries.
cinder pier
Just the one?
mighty galleon
most furries i've met are cool people
gloomy valve
Yeah just one dude. Everyone else was chill
umbral reef
Well its easy to make others also feel like shit if your an waste of human being
So people see an group, think "Ow those fella's look happy. But i am not happy! So fuck them!" and go to bully ๐
mighty galleon
then they get offended when they're blocked
gloomy valve
Yeah like ill talk alittle shit about loli avatars but if it makes then happy and nit hurting anyone then why should it bother me?
cinder pier
I've had their friends come after me once and they can get really abusive
gloomy valve
Ok so im showing my age by saying this, but. Ive delt with tye anti furry shit since i first became one in 2005. Its the same old shit every time
mighty galleon
furries are fine
umbral reef
Best is to record them and get them beaned 
That is still the most fun thing when peeps are plain cunts
Or get an animation like me where you give them an paper with a hurt feelings report
Works greato
mighty galleon
or scare them off like me
gloomy valve
Nice. Im just using a hyena island avatar. Its the edit of that one anime charachter who likes grape soda. Someone starts that shit i just mute them and spam the laugh guesture
mighty galleon
hyena's are adorable things
cinder pier
I'm not even a furry. I'm in a normal avi hanging out with friends when I start getting all kinds of crap. Most of it is harmless but sometimes it warrants a block.
vocal shard
People will try to attack any thing they see as a weakness or defining factor to bring that person down and make themselves feel superior. It's stupid
cinder pier
I guess that's what you get for hanging out in a the public pug
gloomy valve
Its trivial high school bullshit
rigid crescent
lol it's definitely because most furries aren't exactly the most uhhh...I don't even know what to say
umbral reef
Nah not even high school
rigid crescent
I've only met a handful of furries that weren't total unsociable weirdos
umbral reef
Even jobs have this kid of shit
gloomy valve
Mic ive been in the fandom for a decade
umbral reef
People who feel sad in there life and want to feel better then others or more important then others
And what is easier then ruining others fun instead of fixing your life!
gloomy valve
Most of them do have social issues.
rigid crescent
It's got a huge stigma due to it
Well it's not the social issues, lots of people in VR have those
cinder pier
I have a few furry friends and they're really great to talk to and supportive when you're feeling down
gloomy valve
You just gotta show alittle kindness and set boundries
rigid crescent
But there's some that are just "weirdos", and that's coming from a weirdo. When the weird people find you weird, there's a problem
gloomy valve
Were all weirdos mic
rigid crescent
But a lot of people generalize a lot harder
gloomy valve
Just to diffrent degrees
vocal shard
...
rigid crescent
The stigma does exist though, and for good reason.
gloomy valve
Saddly
rigid crescent
See the thing is all the furries I meet that are just cringe are the ones that literally need to make it their life
While with the cool ones I didn't even find out until much later in our friendship, and not due to them hiding it
gloomy valve
Hell the furries who are in their late teens and early 20s now are trying to weed out the problem children of the fandom. Hella exposures going on
rigid crescent
I mean when it's younger people it's like whatever, you're gonna be a cringey kid no matter what
gloomy valve
True
vocal shard
The worst part of any fandom is what draws attention and gets shared as the norm of it.
umbral reef
Too beee faaaiiirr
Most kids in most fandoms are toxic as fuck and dont know when to stop
But same goes for the anime community.. There are are large groups of people who dont know social boundaries and there is an reason the super open weeb has an shit imago
mighty galleon
yeah
gloomy valve
The clout from you kids is staggering. Makes me feel like theres hope for the human race
rigid crescent
Well it's not even the attention thing or the fetish parts of it, like I was literally talking to someone in a Pug that was really into it and did lewd art, but they weren't cringy and awkward about it
umbral reef
To be fair dumb cunts or plain cunts dont survive long in this chat bear
Peeps love to call out bullshit in here so
rigid crescent
That's what it is, it's the personality a lot of furries tend to have. It used to be the same with lots of anime fans until it got better marketing and was normalized
gloomy valve
The problem with my fandom is that it fears the corporate
rigid crescent
THey're just a smaller percentage now
gloomy valve
We want to be accepted but not turned into a commodity
rigid crescent
The "normie" anime fans have definitely helped grow the industry and make things easily accessible to the west, at least that's how it seems
umbral reef
Well the anime fandom got kinda so insanely large and a bit more western what was a big problem before that its kinda ignored/accepted now instead of pushed out
rigid crescent
Like body pillows? They were like 100-200 bucks minimum for a decent one, now that stuff is way cheaper thanks to demand. THe same with figures, snacks, and other merchandise, I used to pay crazy import fees for stuff and gladly did it because ti was my only option
gloomy valve
Dude
umbral reef
But this also kid of goes for gaming
When gaming started out it was for the mega tech fans and shit
Then the more modern people got into this stuff
Then teenagers everywhere and big groups
and now everyone from facebook moms to babies play games...
gloomy valve
Like back in the late 90s all you could get for anime was what was on tv
rigid crescent
Now I can fucking go to gamestop and grab a figma, or go to a comicbook or similar hobby store and ask them to special order me one and I'm not waiting a month and spending nearly as much
gloomy valve
Makes sense
floral narwhal
Fuck did I miss XD
mighty galleon
oh hi wota
floral narwhal
No
umbral reef
Off topic chat 
gloomy valve
Disscussion on furries and how its not cool to be an asshole
vocal shard
Talking about social stigma with fandoms
rigid crescent
I mean, just ten years ago I was waiting weeks to a month and sometimes had to use special Buyer's services just to get certain things
mighty galleon
i dont think im in any fandoms actually
rigid crescent
Now it's everywhere, literally everywhere. It used to just be whatever you could sell to kids is what got merch, so Pokemon, Digimon, etc
gloomy valve
Yeah yeah i get ya
rigid crescent
I wouldn't fear commercialization but at the same time I don't really get what it can do for furries anyway
mighty galleon
make fur suits way cheaper
gloomy valve
Mostly exposure for the artists
The only fear
Is that big companies take our art without permission and monitize it thus screwing us over
umbral reef
We maybe should #general-media
rigid crescent
oh tru
vocal shard
Tru
gloomy valve
Good point.
umbral reef
Ofcours its an good point :^)
Best husbando suggests it
gloomy valve
See ya in random
umbral reef
vocal shard
sonic verge
@tulip bloom i am by the bright square if you look up
delicate ravine
hello
vocal shard
Hey
uncut trail
Urgh why some world are so boring yet nothing interactive ๐ฆ
vocal shard
uncut trail
I pray and hope oct 1st > 30th bring alot of good world
mighty galleon
its boring
vocal shard
It'll bring a lot of jumpscare maps
uncut trail
Horror and jumpscare maps xD
I know 2 good maps by huggies dungeon coming soon
aka big sister dungeon creator xD
delicate ravine
one of my friends has a problem with vrc. the avatars he uses keeps crashing unintentionally.
we try to do a squad event and the next thing we know we are helicopters and we all crash.
winged quartz
oh
mighty galleon
hi born
delicate ravine
the next thing we know our leader is reported multiple times for crashing others
vocal shard
henlo
heavy narwhal
Hi it's Gabe Newell
mighty galleon
hi mages
trail rapids
Man it's been awhile since I played VRChat.. people can crash your pc now?
Really seems like something that should be addressed, almost fried my GPU
inner cape
If your pc is full trash, yeah
trail rapids
i have a 1080
umbral reef
Ow did you try to cook eggs on the GPU then?
cinder pier
You gpu throttles at a certain temperature
trail rapids
It wasn't me they were fucking with I just happened to be nearby
umbral reef
It doesnt even throttle it just shuts down the program or BSOD
Yea but they cant break shit
Worse thing you need with an bad pc is require a restart of the comptuer
Or from the game most of the time
trail rapids
I didn't have to restart just took forever to open up task manager
umbral reef
And this counts for any game and program that uses a lot from your pc and can freeze
I got an fair bit of BSOD from Adobe products
trail rapids
I havn't seen a BSOD since the early 2000s lol
umbral reef
There is a reason i have there older stuff in totally 100% legal ways ๐
Stuff is atleast stable
trail rapids
oh wait no, I got one when windows was updating, unsprising
yeah I remember when photoshop didn't hang everytime you started it up
vocal shard
Last time I was getting bsod.... Was trying to install oculus runtime 0.7
O.o
Is it okay to ask about Internet/connection issues concerning the game in this channel? Would love to know if anyone else has run into the same issues as me or has heard of it before I contact support
umbral reef
And there is only one time when an bsod style crash can be bad...
When you are importing stuff to an old as fuck USB/disk so that they get corrupted
Or when you are doing an BIOS style update- Then you just created an expensive paperweight
trail rapids
Do people crash often? Do you guys have any tips on sensing it and how to get out before it happens? Maybe I just got unlucky? Was only playing for 20mins
I remember that shit would happen in second life all the time but I knew how to avoid it
umbral reef
Throw up the particle limiter and wait untill the next update that fixes most stuff
You only crash if an user wants you to crash right now
trail rapids
yeah or when windows is updating... lol
why is there no option to turn particles off?
cinder pier
Look out for people that look like crashers
vocal shard
Particle limiter, and being quick with Panic mode helps
umbral reef
There is- The particle limiter ....
trail rapids
oh
umbral reef
@vocal shard We get it :^)
trail rapids
ok ill try that
cinder pier
Woah bad signal xd
vocal shard
Reception
umbral reef
But they can still crash with materials or meshes
trail rapids
_<
vocal shard
Kept failing. Then sent all at once
umbral reef
Its more rare but untill the next update you cant resolve those
cinder pier
I get that all.the time where I live
opaque remnant
if someone wants to crash you, they will, even if they crash themselves while doing so
vocal shard
I'm in the Rocky mountains right now
umbral reef
@opaque remnant well not if stuff is blocked/panic mode is on
opaque remnant
people can still crash you if you have their avatar blocked
that's what modded clients are for
olive iron
2real
vocal shard
Oof
umbral reef
fairly sure after last update they fixed that stuff
Beside the ram crashing then...
trail rapids
I don't get the point of crashing. If you wanna really piss someone off get under their skin personally lol
olive iron
who has time for that
trail rapids
lol
umbral reef
Its 2k18 my friends ๐
opaque remnant
i once let a memory crash play itself out. vrchat maxed out my 32gb and then i finally forced closed it
umbral reef
Are there worlds within VRC where you can share music with other peeps?
Like throw in a YT link and boom
odd blaze
Cinema Home in Space usually work for that
umbral reef
Now i just need to find more music addicts with the same style as me that play VRC and il be stuck in the game for months
tall ingot
Alrighty. Hey, does anybody else lag or their computer or vr setup slow down when they come across monsters with a group of players in the Blonix dungeon?
tall ingot
Ah... I also realized i never replaced the networking cable in my pc since I last played on my xbox.
Died in the dungeon while lagging (or soemthing); all I saw was the steam vr space with a vrchat sign
Then it disappeared and I saw my character bouncing around on the floor
cold ibex
Quick stupid ass question- whats the override for the peace sign
vocal shard
Victory
mighty galleon
victory for jamie!
vocal shard
Lol