vrchat-general-2

[sweet meadow]

It is mostly playtime of how often you get blocked my mad ppls

[dawn pecan]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/1/d/e/2PACX-1vShHzuZzQwULCu7KmWFGMj640oNRYH-M_N1BD30nRF5F9eqGYcLF0E-CTf48RE8qzAzDmv9eqJsdpma/pubhtml?gid=1122762578&single=true

[sudden nacelle]

My buddaaa

[sweet meadow]

Boi

[cold talon]

[dawn pecan]

I'll tell you if you can link the official kizuna ai account

[queen mango]

Ouf

[sudden nacelle]

Im not vet aswell

Probably because over 600ppl have blocked me tho lmao

[dawn pecan]

I wonder why

[sweet meadow]

The new update is truly problematic

[dawn pecan]

Nah it's fine

[sudden nacelle]

Watch the comunity seperate even more

[sweet meadow]

Normies and streamers are like "yo is that a single billboard particle, which is neither annoying nor not allowed? You get blocked m8"

[dawn pecan]

You're just assuming that everyone else is a higher rank I think

[sweet meadow]

And these ppl get too much support

That's why

[twin jacinth]

If people separate others from themself because they believe they are better simply because of a rank and a colour I'd not want to befriend them.

[umbral reef]

To be fair a lot of streamers dont deserve any type of support in any way lul

[dawn pecan]

Nobody is going to hate fun all of a sudden

[sudden nacelle]

Im not assuming that, i think ppl with higher status will shut out normal players even more

[sweet meadow]

True

Too many normies xd

Yes

[dawn pecan]

Many play to look at all the interesting avatars

[sudden nacelle]

Now that they can see the seperation

[dawn pecan]

They just don't want to get crashed is all

[sweet meadow]

I heard ppl seriously saying that they will block everyone that is not trusted

[sudden nacelle]

I have not a single crash avatar. I nerver intend to own one aswell

Cause its just dumb

[dawn pecan]

Already at "known user", the chance of people crashing you is almost nonexistant

[sweet meadow]

Me neither

Crashing became a part of the game

But if u go public only, that's their fault

[sudden nacelle]

Which is a sad thing in its own

[dawn pecan]

So you won't get blocked for not being vet unless that person is lagging out

[sweet meadow]

True

[queen mango]

They may call the game as VRCrash, if it keeps happening

[sweet meadow]

What about a more secure/stable enginge tho 😂

[dawn pecan]

It is buggy, but it doesn't help it that there's people crashing instances all the time

[sudden nacelle]

I get accused if lagging people, even tho noone of the ppl that actually know me have any issues whatsoever

[sweet meadow]

U can stop crashing without disabling shaders or particles

As a game dev u might know

Or should

[dawn pecan]

I can do dev stuff, there's just too many ways to crash people

[sweet meadow]

Yep

[dawn pecan]

Can't stop it without modding the client, which is not allowed

[sweet meadow]

But if you as a dev really want to stop such things in the correct way, you can do that

[twin jacinth]

It's still in early access though
Keep that in mind.

Not saying everything is acceptable but expect bugs and smiliar things.

[dawn pecan]

WIth the new filter, staff should have more free time to look into other issues instead of handling 100s of reports

[sweet meadow]

Yes, the thing is, unity's possibilities made this game big, not some stupid streamer or meme

Ppl forget that

You can't ruin that, what raised you to success

[vocal shard]

i saw some people with custom nameplates...they had pink colors with weird sizes and effects,is that a moded client?

[dawn pecan]

My biggest issue right now, is that it's a lot of work to report somebody

[sweet meadow]

No

I never reported someone, as i am in many discords i just talked to ppl or blocked them

[dawn pecan]

They just added a shader to their nameplate

[vocal shard]

i see,thanks

[dawn pecan]

Got crashed in the game, knew who did it, but couldn't be bothered to upload the log and detail it

[sweet meadow]

:/

[dawn pecan]

I know that another person in the instance was friends with the crasher on Steam

[sweet meadow]

Sooner or later they get their punishment

[dawn pecan]

But what I did was just find the guy online

He's in a Steam group with a girl who will soon know that he's a furry, so I guess so?

[sweet meadow]

Hm

[umbral reef]

Well it would be the sooner instead of later if people actually did report them

[sweet meadow]

I rather get crashed 2 times a day than getting blocked by clueless normies all the time

Guess we just have to see how it goes

[dawn pecan]

It's just a lot of effort for how many there are

But how are you guys experience? Do the people you report actually get banned? If so I guess I will start reporting more

[sweet meadow]

Cease avatar stealing and illegalize prefabs

Problem solved xd

[dawn pecan]

Unless you're "probably troll" or "visitor" rank, I doubt many will block your avatar

[sweet meadow]

Wouldn't be surprised if someppl quit the game sadly

[quartz basin]

I block everyone immediately with cancer shaders. I don't care if you're harmless. You look like cancer.

[dawn pecan]

Everyone is just assuming that it will be horrible, but there's not really any reason that it would be

[sweet meadow]

Guess you have to see it for yourself

[dawn pecan]

People will want to see as many avatars are possible without lagging or crashing, that's all

DId anyone here play in the beta-only servers? How bad was it and what was your rank?

[twin jacinth]

I used to ask people like
can you stop with the music/cancer avatars
rarely listen so i block everyone i find with annoying avatars and mute those who play loud music 24/7

[sweet meadow]

See

I mean i rather look like cancer than like nothing, but ppl that do the same as i do ruin my reputation aswell

[vocal shard]

i mute anyone who somewhat resembles a frog or is the color green

[dawn pecan]

You're angry you can't play music through your mic? Of course that will get you muted

[sweet meadow]

I would stop immediately

[vocal shard]

Did someone say “angry”?

[quartz basin]

No

Get out

[vocal shard]

i said it

mummy forgot the ranch dippy wippy sauce for me tendies... AGAIN.

[dawn pecan]

I guess that using 5 bright shader effects at all times is not recommended and will get you judged

[sweet meadow]

Oh no, he is capable of doing more than adjusting viewpoint, i better block him

[vocal shard]

”Damnit mom, where’s my ranch dressing?”

[quartz basin]

Cancer shaders are like people getting tattoos or piercings. They want to look as trashy as possible.

[sweet meadow]

Sooner or later every nonvrcmods avatar will get blocked

xd

[vocal shard]

mmm whatcha say

mmm that you only met well

[dawn pecan]

It's more like "Oh a stupid desktop user that doesn't know that his avatar is 5 times brighter on VR and that his screen distortion shader is not appreciated by people who get motion sick easily"

[umbral reef]

Im more for doing it the other way around

The second an avatar is on that website Boom blacklisted :^)

[vocal shard]

stupid

desktop supreme commander user

choose 1

[sweet meadow]

Thx oclac

[vocal shard]

Mmmm What you say ayyyy

[dawn pecan]

Not every avatar on there is bad

[ivory folio]

you're not using flat lit toon shader? 🅱️locked

[umbral reef]

Because...
👏 fuck 👏 that 👏 website 👏

[dawn pecan]

Like, there's that loli with the electric saw

[ivory folio]

whats wrong with that website? 🤔

[quartz basin]

I just rip off specific parts from each avatar and merge them together. You can make your avatar look unique without shaders.

[umbral reef]

Im talking about the website- Not an avatar per avatar case

[sweet meadow]

Guess normies will ruin this game with their blocking policy

[dawn pecan]

Kisaragi or something?

[sweet meadow]

[vocal shard]

👏 how 👏 many 👏 shrimps 👏 can 👏 you 👏 eat 👏

[umbral reef]

@ivory folio Think of all bad you can have on a website that allows you to upload any avatar and client without giving a fuck about the rules

[ivory folio]

I feel like you've been to that site like once then

[umbral reef]

Tl;dr
Shit mods that are unreasonable
Promoted modded clients that got users banned
Dont care about reports of crash avatars, hacked avatars or nsfw avatars and so on

[dawn pecan]

The site has legit avatars, but it also has avatars that requires modified SDKs, some custom clients, and guides/files for modding the SDK

[umbral reef]

Ow no i got my own first hand experience with the mods 👏
They disliked me outing them for promoting that client thing i talked about

An anti crash client does get users banned so its stupid to promote it

[quartz basin]

Never go to public places, block everyone with suspicious shaders, never crash again.

It's really not hard.

[ivory folio]

sounds fun

[quartz basin]

It actually is

[ivory folio]

stare at a mirror hugging a virtual anime female

[quartz basin]

All you'll get in public places are kids screaming at each other, trying to "le epic funny" by telling dick jokes.

[dawn pecan]

But if you're shooting out emojis from every hole in your body while blasting music and distorting the screen, you will get blocked instantly. But that will be an individual block, not a "prevent every normal user from using shaders" thing like what some are worring about

[spice meteor]

you can always not block shaders if you wanna see everything

[dawn pecan]

Public is everything from cool, resonable people to noisy russian kids. But you have to meet new people somewhere right?

Yeah

[spice meteor]

not everyone wants to get lagged out by some unoptimizedd shader someone found on github

[ivory folio]

no, no new people. Just me, my anime waifu and this mirror

[quartz basin]

You meet new people through your friends

[dawn pecan]

People are worried that nobody will ever see their avatar again unless they can get veteran lol

And if you do that, you will remain in a somewhat isolated group still

[spice meteor]

not all people are here for the fancy avatars, a lot jsut want some social interaction. Everyone should be able to decide if they want to see certain things or not and that's good with this system

[quartz basin]

Man, it's like this game is called VRchat for a reason or something.

[median basalt]

Yeah, but the bad thing is that the defaults block a lot of things by default

[spice meteor]

you can change it anytime so what's the problem

[umbral reef]

What about the ranks being split up past there intended needs?
And what about the unclear giving of ranks towards users...
Or the uneducated user base as all you need to do is block custom animations and leave everything on for just your social game with anime girls...

[median basalt]

You need to get all the way to Trusted before default settings users can even see your shaders

[dawn pecan]

Avatars are important for social interaction, it will just be head patting rather than showing off new laser rifles

[spice meteor]

It's a beta of course we dont know everything about the system yet

ranks may not be final

[umbral reef]

And just because you can change it does not mean most of the users will change it

[median basalt]

That's why we're giving feedback @spice meteor

[spice meteor]

And? it's up to each of them

[median basalt]

I already have a shader that basically puts a box around me if shaders are blocked

[umbral reef]

But still- What about my first two points? Those are fairly solid and cant be denied also..

[median basalt]

I use it on all my avatars that need shaders to work

[quartz basin]

Well, the first feedback you should give the devs is "The fuck you doing with ranks? You some sort of Authoritarian?"

[umbral reef]

And as rokk said- The system is FAR from fail proof...

[dawn pecan]

People will tell new players and friends about the filters first thing, it will be public knowledge fast

[quartz basin]

Just add some sort of tutorial for new players when they log in.

[dawn pecan]

The rank system is easy to understand:
Play more
Don't get blocked
Upload content
Do it enough and you will get vet

[quartz basin]

The rank system is garbage, though. 3 Ranks are more than enough

[lofty tundra]

no

[median basalt]

There is no reason for more than 3 ranks to exist

[lofty tundra]

and its not a rank system, its a trust level >.>

[median basalt]

It's a rank system in every sense of the word.

[umbral reef]

Its an rank system-

[dawn pecan]

They exist with a reason

[lofty tundra]

people need to stop getting so butthurt and see everything so competetive ffs

[median basalt]

@dawn pecan I know someone with 1000 hours who is merely "known"

[quartz basin]

Yeah but there shouldn't be a difference between known, trusted and veteran player.

[median basalt]

The trust system is too vague to be an accurate indicator

[dawn pecan]

There might be deminishing returns on the rank system past 3, but that doesn't make it bad

[umbral reef]

@dawn pecan What if i upload lots of avatars and dont play? What about the users who do avatars for an job, have over 400 hours into the game after the trust system update and are still just trusted?

[dawn pecan]

Well, you shouldn't be rewarded for being AFK for 1k hours, should you?

[median basalt]

He wasn't afk

He has several hundreds of avatars, to the point where half of his list is broken

[opaque jewel]

Well Visitor, Known, Trusted, and Veteren.

[median basalt]

He has published worlds in the past

[dawn pecan]

He hasn't uploaded much content then

[quartz basin]

Since when should you receive rewards in this game? It's a goddamn social experience. You reward yourself for establishing social contacts.

[median basalt]

No

[umbral reef]

He has

We legit just said that

[rigid crescent]

https://puu.sh/BAGrX/7466c40dd8.png

[median basalt]

@dawn pecan I only have 1 world, 1/4th the avatars he has, and yet I'm "trusted"

[dawn pecan]

Some, but not much

[rigid crescent]

not ranks

amirite

[median basalt]

And also half his hours

[dawn pecan]

Probably more friends then

[median basalt]

Nah

I counted by the API, we both have around 400.

[spice meteor]

It's still a beta

[rigid crescent]

no

[dawn pecan]

But everybody doesn't have to be vet.. Most get past new user fast

[median basalt]

That's why we're giving feedback now

Besides, this is unlikely to change as the system had been in place for months

[quartz basin]

People have been uploading worlds and avatars way before ranks. And now that ranks have been introduced all of a sudden everyone wants to be acknowledged.

[rigid crescent]

the ranks existed for months

[median basalt]

@dawn pecan yeah, but default settings still block shaders for known users

[spice meteor]

feedback in 2018: "my buddy has 100 avatars why onle green"

[quartz basin]

This whole rank garbage is one giant shitshow.

[dawn pecan]

The defaults will be changed

[median basalt]

How do you know?

[dawn pecan]

If not by staff before release, then by everyone who hears of it

[umbral reef]

Pretty sure they wont lmao

For both

As users still do not know about the particle limiter right now

[median basalt]

Even if they change it, it would be because of our feedback. You're telling us not to give feedback...

[umbral reef]

And its replacement is around the corner...

[dawn pecan]

People join VRChat for the cute fox girls. And because everybody disables the personal space, even though nobody ever seems to talk about its existance

[spice meteor]

particle limiter was also a beta

[umbral reef]

Uuuu no? That shit has been live for ages

[median basalt]

I dunno, I had to tell a friend about the personal space option a week ago despite him being here longer than I have.

[spice meteor]

"This feature is in beta. This feature may be changed, modified, or removed with future releases." https://docs.vrchat.com/docs/avatar-particle-system-limits

[dawn pecan]

The particle filter is opt-in, not documented, only posted on the Discord (which most people don't check often), etc

[median basalt]

Particle limiter was "beta" in the sense that the system is in beta

It was usable on the regular client

Intentionally

[dawn pecan]

How did he not noticed that people disappeared when they went to headpat him Rokk? Lmao

[median basalt]

People don't headpat the guy lmao

He assumed it was a clipping plane thing

If nobody tells you what the options do then it's easy to miss

Since there is a lot of "noise" in the options

[vocal shard]

I do think more clear communication is needed for this update... Especially for it's live announcement. People have heard to many wrong speculations and are in total confusion about it.

[opaque jewel]

They need to work on the Tips screen honestly

Ways of getting banned aren't tips.

[spice meteor]

They just added it last patcch anyway so give them some time

[quartz basin]

You expect good tips from shit like "Do good, die great"?

[vocal shard]

Lol

Imma put that in my world

Even just the loading screen... People testing the beta were annoyed that you need to press Go before loading into every world. There wasn't anything that mentioned that you can turn that off in the settings

😂

[dawn pecan]

Wrong speculations are done by stupid users, but I agree, more communication and information

[opaque jewel]

How to turn on/off Personal Space, Tool Tips, Advertise the whole meeting people, etc. Those are tips.

[umbral reef]

Caff and your now trying to say most users are not god awefully retarded when it comes to anything?

[dawn pecan]

Well, I guess they are

[vocal shard]

Lol

[opaque jewel]

I could single handedly rework the entire loading screen tips.

[median basalt]

Yeah, the tips need some proper improvements

For various undocumented stuff like movement types, options like personal space etc

[vocal shard]

" how to add sword to hand? Me no watch video!" 😂😂

[dawn pecan]

I told some people how they could get vet, but they kept talking about how many hours they had and that it was a mystery how the system worked

[median basalt]

Your method clearly doesn't work though

I know multiple people who met the criteria you listed, and yet only some of them have veteran status.

[vocal shard]

I am a veteran

[median basalt]

What is your source on this being the way to veteran, exactly? The devs intentionally keep the system vague to prevent abuse. There's no way you know how it works internally.

Your guess is as good as ours.

[dawn pecan]

There are more factors (which I don't want to say) but it's it a good guideline if it makes most people veteran?

[median basalt]

Here come the strawmen again

I never said most people should be veteran

[dawn pecan]

I checked the API for all my friends

[median basalt]

The rank shouldn't even exist tbh but here we are

[vocal shard]

I believe as long as you have a huge friends list and 1000+ hours and multiple worlds private or public and tons of custom avatars

[dawn pecan]

And I know how many avatars and worlds they have

It always lines up pretty well

[vocal shard]

Max out every stat

Thats how you get it

[dawn pecan]

Lol tupper got his legend rank before his veteran rank

Really?

I get that most people don't want to make avatar worlds, but you shouldn't be able to get vet just by leaving yoru game running

[quiet prawn]

I really like how everyone suddenly cares about the api ranks. /s

[dawn pecan]

Colors are serious business

[merry gale]

I just hope it gets so serious that people wont talk to people with lower ranks

it dont*

lol

wops

[opaque jewel]

Player worlds may have hints, Turn Tooltips on/off to see what they say.
People up in your face? Turn on/off personal space.
Here are some worlds you may enjoy and meet others in. (Boom. World advertising)
Be sure to join our Discord for help and more (Boom. Discord advertising)
Know the rules? Make sure to read up on our rules on our website/Discord.

[dawn pecan]

Idk about 3rd, but the rest seem good daemon

[rough pulsar]

I've started to turn away from the annoying loading messages. I don't need to look at them, so I won't.

[naive plank]

Memes

[opaque jewel]

Just saying, not hard to make tips for a loading screen.

[vital rune]

"Do Good, Die Great"

just

lmao

[merry gale]

xD

[opaque jewel]

Besides "Want tips? Ha! Banboozled again! Showing you that NSFW avatars will get you banned"

[twin jacinth]

Lol

[dawn pecan]

The blocks are shaders and such, not actual user blocks. You will just look slightly worse until people add you (if you do have a very low rank)

[vital rune]

who even come up with that quote

[rough pulsar]

Apparently some kid on some vrc video that got all memey.

Hence the reason it sounds so cringey.

[opaque jewel]

even could have a new channel for players to put in their ideas and could pick them like fresh apples

[rough pulsar]

If you look up the quote it usually points to reddit threads with the video.

[opaque jewel]

Loading screen tips, solved.

[vocal shard]

It was a little kid playing vrchat called Jordan. A video with him being "sincere" blew up. Do good die great was his quote

[rough pulsar]

Or even better than loading screen tips, Events information
What, where and when.

[vital rune]

my ideal loading tip would be

[dawn pecan]

Could add new loading tips after "new user" rank, like "check out tuppers tutorials to learn how to create your own avatars" or basic settings (personal space, tooltips, the VR settings if user is in VR mode), he types of worlds, current events

[vital rune]

"TO SAVE MOTHER EARTH FROM ANY ALIEN ATTACK, CALL IN THE EDF. EDF! EDF!"

[queen mango]

Good morning, East Coast.

[vital rune]

or "If you see a giant ant or any form of insect, shoot it with extreme prejuidice"

idk iv'e gone all hammy with all this edf shit

[rough pulsar]

The best loading screen message would be
Don't use Planar Decimation unless you know why you should be using it

[dawn pecan]

Nah, they're in their 20s, and either fat or very skinny, and some of them can do an impressive loli voice

Lmao, hey, it's better than the basic tips after seeing them 100 times

[vital rune]

here's another loading tip

"When most of your friends' list is private worlds, shut off the game for a while or suffer through public worlds"

[queen mango]

Keeping up with the eccentric nature of VRChat, eh?

[vital rune]

its already ruined lol

another one

"Please be reminded that 90% of the people you see are anime girls"

"Because lol deal with it"

[dawn pecan]

Don't blame the game for that

[queen mango]

"Please consult your nearest moderator station for gender identity problems"

[dawn pecan]

At much as I'd like fun or "advancaed used" loading tips, only the minority would want them

[vital rune]

"Please consult your nearest therapist if you have social issues being the only male soldier in existance to the almost entirety of anime girls"

[dawn pecan]

"Remember to T-pose towards users of lower ranks to assert your dominance"

[vital rune]

"If you're a guy with a green colored armor, prepare to get mistaken and barraged by people thinking you're Master Chief"

[quiet prawn]

I take offense, I'm neither 35, greasy, nor fat....

[mighty galleon]

@vocal shard

[dawn pecan]

Are you a skinny guy in your 20s then?

[quiet prawn]

no

[vocal shard]

What Sean?...

[queen mango]

16?

[dawn pecan]

Damn, my statistics failed me

[mighty galleon]

i finally written out my oc's backround, wanna read it?

[vocal shard]

I'm heading into work right now.. so I can't read atm

[mighty galleon]

damn

[vital rune]

so errr

any more joke loading tips

[queen mango]

Is it morning in Florida already?

[quiet prawn]

All praise be to Gallium's ass

[rough pulsar]

"Do not attempt to summon a demon into your neighbour's toilet. They have a terrible sense of direction and may get stuck in your toilet instead."

[mighty galleon]

gallium

[rough pulsar]

yes?

[merry gale]

Btw guys a question not related to these tips, the playermaker thing that they talked about, is it going to let people make like mmo maps and stuff? Im just curious

[vital rune]

"If you're Master Chief, throw away your fucking microphone and use the Microsoft Sam Text-To-Speech to communicate"

[mighty galleon]

do you like horror

[rough pulsar]

I like horror movies and books but can't handle horror games at all

[mighty galleon]

wanna read my oc's back storie

[vital rune]

"If you fell asleep in VR while playing VRChat, it's your own damn fault"

[rough pulsar]

go for it. I might not have a chance to read it until I get home in a few hours though.

[queen mango]

I would like to read it too.

Sleep is for the weak, anyways

[mighty galleon]

whats your rank -squints-

[vocal shard]

O.o

[mighty galleon]

xD

[vocal shard]

Sean is judgemental of ranks...

[queen mango]

'User'. Well, that's what Will told me.

[mighty galleon]

im not jamie i just joke

[vocal shard]

Ik

Lol

[mighty galleon]

jamie is my little pet though

his rank matters

[vocal shard]

Eh?...

[queen mango]

Pet???

[vocal shard]

I do not consent to this

[mighty galleon]

i got the paperwork done and everything

you're my pet

[queen mango]

[vocal shard]

this is the part, where I run away

🏃

[mighty galleon]

lol

[queen mango]

なに？, ザミ-さん！

[sudden nacelle]

[vocal shard]

Yeah

[sudden nacelle]

Yes

13 hours ago

[vocal shard]

It's going live soon. So

They gotta take it down to finalize things

[sudden nacelle]

Last fixes are being made, they will push the public build this week

[carmine dew]

Oh

With the coming of the update will we all start as new users or will we start as a rank that best suits the hours we have been on vrchat?

[queen mango]

I think it would be the latter

[sudden nacelle]

It just kinda display what metrik you got placed in before

[quiet prawn]

Headpats are the (un)Official currency of VRChat

[carmine dew]

You want a drink? Okay 5 headpats please

[umbral reef]

And me thinking it was all about getting the trap cards and waifu collections

[mighty galleon]

-pats awrini

oclac, best boy, how are you

[queen mango]

Hold up. When is the official update going live?

[quiet prawn]

[umbral reef]

Good good

[sudden nacelle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/445697127365083145/493867352270569508/unknown.png

[umbral reef]

Got an late shift at internship

[sudden nacelle]

Back off normies

[umbral reef]

so worked at home

[sudden nacelle]

True trap here

[umbral reef]

And now about to leave in like an hourish

[mighty galleon]

ouch

[carmine dew]

Hopefully whenever the update comes out it starts us all off with ranks based on our hours

[queen mango]

Hopefully

[mighty galleon]

no rolts

[carmine dew]

Can I get the no life rank? I think I'm deserving of it

[mighty galleon]

then most people would just afk to get higher rank

[quiet prawn]

replacement controller arrives today, yeeeeeee

[carmine dew]

Sean its already confirmed that's how it's gotten

[mighty galleon]

ouch

[carmine dew]

It's by hours played

[umbral reef]

Ow cool where is the proof then?

[mighty galleon]

afk'ers gonna rule then

[queen mango]

Want 'Trusted Rank'? That would be 1700 headpats, please.

[carmine dew]

Want proof read what the updates gonna do

It's in there

I litteraly just read it all

[umbral reef]

I know what the update does--
Im asking you to bring the proof where it says its pure about hours plays and that AFKing or alike works

I know exactly what you mean but your getting the sentence fully wrong so-

[uneven nymph]

Hey, I know people bring this up a lot but, what will it take to make VRChat direct X12 compatible and use more than 1 core at a time?

[umbral reef]

An unity version update what is an insane amount of work and lots of game setbacks

[uneven nymph]

0_0 So the equivalent of switching engines?

[carmine dew]

Crap I don't think I can send a photo

[rough pulsar]

We had a unity update last year and it was bumpy as fuck. Pretty much everything had to be reuploaded.

[sudden nacelle]

Upload it and then send the link in here spence. Use imgur

[carmine dew]

But it says that rank is based on friends, hourd played, uploads and stuff contributed as well as other factors

[dawn pecan]

Can two exist at once?

[umbral reef]

To be fair- If all we had to do was reupload things it would not be an problem
But its more that they devs have to put so much effort into fixing everything again then really

[dawn pecan]

Like how the beta kind of works with the non beta

g2g for now btw

[quiet prawn]

Come now Gallium, we all know another unity update will happen eventually. Just not which version nor when

[uneven nymph]

It would be worth it to get to use direct x12 and use multiple cores though right? >_<
Might not be worth it depending one the answer to the next question:
How does VRChat make money?

[umbral reef]

@carmine dew Have to upload them to imgur to be able to post them-
But your answered yourself already- Its far from only hours and it never stated afking will work and to get any of those others you need to play (aka getting hours)... That is how they meant it
With the current trust system (avatar upload permisions only) people tried to bot/afk and never got there permissions

[carmine dew]

It's website

Of merch

[umbral reef]

And they gave the same statement for this system so...

[carmine dew]

Well I still have like 300 friends and like 60 avatars with 2k hours

I think I'm good

[mighty galleon]

430 hours, 4 avatars, 16 friends

[gray fiber]

vrchat is running off of the investments it has gotten so far. It got a few big ones.

[mighty galleon]

i dont need more avatars or friends xD

[uneven nymph]

0_0 they're funding the development of this game through T-Shirt sales?

[umbral reef]

100 hours and curently only 12 avatars because i removed most
And unknown friends amount

But who plays this game anyway

Aint got time for that

[carmine dew]

Who dosnt?

And no they sell more then shirts

They got hoodies too

And cups

[umbral reef]

@uneven nymph They got an big investment from HTC and other companies 2 years ago and an even larger amount an year ago

[quiet prawn]

That store was a very recent addition to revenue

[gray fiber]

vrchat basically just got tons of money thrown at it

[mighty galleon]

oclac, mine are low b/c i dont like having too many friends

[umbral reef]

Thats how they run things for now- There is currently no proper earnings for VRC

As the store is minimal in revenue

[carmine dew]

You never know suddenly one day

Vip rank

[mighty galleon]

nah

[uneven nymph]

So...I guess the verdict is...not worth it for direct x12 and multiple core usage...

[umbral reef]

Would just cause more toxic things lmao

[carmine dew]

Pay 30 bucks and get access to more POLYS

[umbral reef]

Polies should be upped anyway

And a cap on materials and dynamic bones should be made

[mighty galleon]

oclac, i dont see the need for a lot fo avatars, when most people stay in just one

[median basalt]

Yep

[carmine dew]

Tru

[median basalt]

We need to change the SDK limits a lot

[uncut trail]

Ranking gonna ruin friendships

[umbral reef]

@mighty galleon Memes

[mighty galleon]

i have 4 but 98% of my time is in jsut one

[umbral reef]

They are all the same 2 avatars but with diffrent jokes on them

[carmine dew]

I don't understand why there is a limit on like

Height

I understand you don't want green giants or ants

[quiet prawn]

I'm actually sick of hearong that arguement

[mighty galleon]

spence

[umbral reef]

I do as its annoying as fuck to have giants everywhere

[carmine dew]

But still should allow for mini people

[mighty galleon]

its because if you're too tall or too short your menu bugs out

[carmine dew]

Smol people are adorable

[umbral reef]

And as sean said- Its an easy way to prevent bugs :lul:

[carmine dew]

The point where it bugs out is at about .01 height

[quiet prawn]

if rank ruins a friendship, it wasn't a very good friendship in the first place

[mighty galleon]

anyways i leave for ima watch anime

[median basalt]

It bugs out wherever the world's camera clipping planes are

[mighty galleon]

bye bye oclac

[umbral reef]

Take care

[median basalt]

The near clip plane is between 0.01 and 0.05

[vocal shard]

Ranks don't ruin friendships... Memes ruin friendships. Lol

[carmine dew]

No monopoly does

[umbral reef]

Wowie jamie- your walking on thin ice now

[uneven nymph]

Knuckles ruins friendships

[mighty galleon]

thats my pet for you oclac

[median basalt]

So if your menu cannot be further away than 0.05 units, you might not see it at all if you're small.

[carmine dew]

Wait fez

That sounds like a good idea

Not gonna lie

[uneven nymph]

Oof

[umbral reef]

You do realize there are plenty of toxic high ranked users righto?

[carmine dew]

You still have the option of being with new users and what not but have the ability to be with others of said ranks

[umbral reef]

Honstly the system still has to get cleansed within all ranks for it to be anything right to go off

Inb4 they make an popular room that blocks the 'elite' :^)

[twin jacinth]

Oh no
Worlds that can only be accessed by a certain rank...

[carmine dew]

Legendary ultra veterans

[rigid crescent]

lol

[carmine dew]

The people who prefer vr over real life

[umbral reef]

But for real- I so dislike the ranks being shown

[vocal shard]

no oclac

[carmine dew]

That's why you can turn em off

[vocal shard]

veteran is obviously only full of kind and beautiful people

it's obivous

[umbral reef]

Its just gonna cause ass kissing behavior

[vocal shard]

or this system wouldnt exist

veterans cannot be trollers or crashers

[umbral reef]

👏 I dont them being there for the system but i dont need an rainbow of nameplates in my vision
And i dont need lower ranked users ass kissing higher ranked user as "It helps them get to an higher rank faster"

[vital rune]

imo

[inner cape]

How long till i get vetran pls help

[vital rune]

I'm mixed with this ranking system

but its mostly on the negative side of things

[uneven nymph]

I just feel sad for the people who can't make friends

[vital rune]

its like adding in a tacked-on competitive ranking system to a social game of all things

[uneven nymph]

When you see a veteran, remember, they have more friends than you...

[umbral reef]

I also got mixed feelings but thats mainly because the idea is dope
The work out is a bit less...

[carmine dew]

I'll only be annoyed

If that I get restricted from stuff

[vital rune]

not only it'll cause like a major civil war or something

[carmine dew]

For being a trusted user but veterans get better stuff

[onyx field]

im just happy with how the new system makes my vrchat run way better and how i can save a few public avatars now

[vital rune]

but it would split the community even harder than Halo MCC

[umbral reef]

:^) You dont get restricted as people can jsut turn the settings off then the base even though the game asks them not to

[uneven nymph]

I turned mine off

I block manually

[vital rune]

sure it would be funny disguising yourself as a regular user

but that's it really

while I sortof liked the idea, execution can go so wrong

hell I even predict the elitism would last longer than before

[umbral reef]

Herd immunity
Just wait a week with playing and have all shit turned on them beside from the ranks who base unlock everything- Block there custom animations

[vital rune]

as for the public avatar favoriting

I like it aswell

inb4 people favorite the goddamn annoying public avatars that wreck your system

[umbral reef]

Never used public avatars so got no opinion about that stuff

[vital rune]

I mostly use them because I hate my avatar creations lol

[umbral reef]

Then peeps should report the user- Get them banned and the avatar creator also with it

[vital rune]

quantity over quality at its basic form

[carmine dew]

I use some cause some people get mad creative

[pure dagger]

I just hope the system ranks people appropriately 😅

[umbral reef]

It doesnt~

[carmine dew]

No we all are gonna go in as new users while new users will be veterans

Get punked

[umbral reef]

The system has been placing people all over... Way over what rank they should have gotten if you look at the norm and most of the time the other way around...

[pure dagger]

That's a bit of a shame I guess

Not a huge deal, just it's nice to demonstrate some avatars sometimes

With particle effects and such

[inner cape]

It was a beta, so its all can change

[rigid crescent]

no it wasn't

[pure dagger]

Very true

[rigid crescent]

the ranks have existed for months

[vital rune]

not everything would change tho

[rigid crescent]

This just made them visible

[carmine dew]

Oh

[pure dagger]

Good point yup

I'm sure it'll be tuned into the future

[glossy wharf]

It was a beta

ron himself said the ranks are not final

[umbral reef]

Unless the api endpoint on the website will start saying other shit i doubt the given ranks change anytime soon

[glossy wharf]

Dont spread shit if you dont know anything @rigid crescent

[pure dagger]

Mic is right though in theory

[inner cape]

If they are different to the one in the api, means something will change for sure

[glossy wharf]

the api endpoints already differ from ingame

[pure dagger]

They just mean the ranking has been in place prior to the beta and visibility of said ranks

So you're both right

[glossy wharf]

No hes not

[pure dagger]

That's what I read too?

[rigid crescent]

"However, the system is far more than just determining if you can upload content — it looks at user behavior to determine “Trust”, which is an aggregate of many variables. "

[umbral reef]

Its fully disconnected 🤔
I know some parts didnt 100% alling but not all of it

[glossy wharf]

ron stated ranks are not final and the ranks in the beta are not completely corresponding to the apis endpoint.

its different ranks

[umbral reef]

Well the api endpoint always listed one rank above

[pure dagger]

They are Sairenix, not disagreeing with you

Just it's been around for a while, hidden

[rigid crescent]

All I said was that the data has been gathered and didn't magically appear for the beta.

[glossy wharf]

Obviously

the trust system has been in place

to allow people to upload

they also said they are using that data

the ranks have been in the sdk forever

theres an array

[pure dagger]

Yup

[glossy wharf]

you just need to be able to read

[rigid crescent]

OK, so it wasn't just for the beta lol

[pure dagger]

You're both agreeing on the same point

[rigid crescent]

they already said in the announcement they'd be adjusted, so no need to say X or Y said it

[pure dagger]

It's all good

[glossy wharf]

The ranks are different from the trust system

at least the ones ingame

for the beta

its a different intepretation of the gathered data

[carmine dew]

Sairenix you are slowly going against yourself

[glossy wharf]

????

[carmine dew]

Then keep changing it

[glossy wharf]

I never said data hasnt been gathered

[carmine dew]

Mic is right in the end about what they are saying

[glossy wharf]

because it has

but the beta ranks are different from the trust system ranks

you can check your trust system rank by checking the api endpoint

[carmine dew]

I mean I guess

[glossy wharf]

and those were different form ingame ranks

[umbral reef]

They where one above as i said

[glossy wharf]

not always

[umbral reef]

From all examples i have seen they where

[glossy wharf]

You cant just generalize "they were one above"

because the api ones are different

from the ingame ones

they have different names

and theres other tags inbetween

as far as i know theres stuff like admin trusted in there that doesnt correspond to any ingame rankings

its also not the admin rank

but we can only speculate what those mean

[umbral reef]

Well true

But still- As we stated often before-
The current system has flaws and we are talking about those

Unless we get shown shits gonna be diffrent we keep giving feedback

[glossy wharf]

i mean mostly theres just crying in here about "i have 50000 avatars but only orange"

[umbral reef]

Most users are retarded and should be ignored

Thats how i think about it

[vocal shard]

yo i'm not retarded

[umbral reef]

But someone like Rokk voiced valid arguments in my book- Svel also

[glossy wharf]

Just live with the rank you have, theres reasons you have them.

[vocal shard]

i did ?

[median basalt]

Thanks bb

[uneven nymph]

50,000 avatars and no friends...that's whats up

[glossy wharf]

Stuff like kicks and blocks count in aswell

[vocal shard]

what did i say again ?

[median basalt]

A lot

[vocal shard]

[glossy wharf]

obviously the system has flaws, its a new system

it will constantly change and evolve

[vocal shard]

only you rokk

i never got warned

not a single time

[uneven nymph]

I don't want it to evolve. I want it removed because it sucks

[vocal shard]

i can stil shit talk like crazy

[median basalt]

It's not gonna be removed after all this time.

[vocal shard]

before i get kicked (aka warned) and i need to calm down

[glossy wharf]

How does a system suck

[umbral reef]

I also never got an warning but im a good Christian boy

[median basalt]

The concept isn't too bad tbh, they should let people upload straight away now

[vocal shard]

by taking his huge salivating mouth and doing stuff

[glossy wharf]

when its literally a change that already brought people back

and depends on what you make of it

[vocal shard]

i want the fucking cameras to be added to the filters

[median basalt]

Defaults should be relaxed, rank thresholds should be changed and newer users should be able to upload immediately

[glossy wharf]

If ur immature enough to only care about the rank then just stfu honestly

[median basalt]

@vocal shard yes, that too

[glossy wharf]

LOL

[vocal shard]

let me fucking see the cameras of non-friends

[median basalt]

Since it was actually a safety feature

To disable it

So it should fit right in tbh

Also, avatar chairs seem to use a different component than stations now

So don't expect any fancy stuff on avatar chairs

[uneven nymph]

Wait, the update brought people back to the game?

[median basalt]

It brought back some people that became super paranoid over "CPU friers"

[vocal shard]

will support VRC raytracing?

[uneven nymph]

Wait, avatar chairs are coming back?

[median basalt]

Yeah, they might be back next week.

[umbral reef]

@vocal shard It doesnt even support two cores my dude

@uneven nymph One day yes-

[glossy wharf]

I can just speak for myself

[median basalt]

However, don't necessarily expect any fancy features like custom sitting animations on them

[umbral reef]

Like confirmed one day

[glossy wharf]

and i can say a lot of my old friends are back with the new update

[median basalt]

Or sitting on your own chair

I hope you can sit on your own chairs though. Would be dope

I did that before and it's a good solution for all kinds of new gimmicks

[uneven nymph]

I just wanna be a dragon and have people ride on my back

[vocal shard]

Fuck then I have the system built into my map for nothing -_-

[median basalt]

Any time bb @umbral reef

[umbral reef]

😉

[uneven nymph]

and ride in a dejavu car

Then my VRC experience would be complete

[median basalt]

Can't wait to see people with chairs on their arms for a proper princess carry

Tbh

Combining chairs with any kind of collider (flight or speed based) is bound to cause some hilarity too

[umbral reef]

Man that map bus to Las Vegas

Loved that map

[mighty galleon]

oh healer, you play aqw?

[uneven nymph]

Yessss

[mighty galleon]

i remmeber playing that

i was pretty good before i stopped xD

[uneven nymph]

I like the story >_<

Actual gameplay is boring without the story

[mighty galleon]

look up dogboz when you get the chance, that was me xD

[uneven nymph]

https://www.aq.com/character.asp?id=dogboz

[mighty galleon]

yep

[uneven nymph]

Vindicator of they

Evil hero though...

[mighty galleon]

evil side was better

[uneven nymph]

They do release more updates for it...

Still though, Drakath has been defeated and now its just the queen of monsters

[mighty galleon]

i remember that

[uneven nymph]

I think it should be Choas and Good allied against Evil

[vital rune]

AQW?

[uneven nymph]

^_^

[mighty galleon]

adventure quest world

[vital rune]

oh

[vocal shard]

Ah, Artix online web RPGs, standing on their feet after all these years

[mighty galleon]

lol x3

[uneven nymph]

AQ3D is in beta too

I mean...has been for a while but its got significant updates now

[mighty galleon]

i remember trying that out when it first allowed me to

ooh healer, im a founder of aq3d

god this takes me abck

[tacit plank]

Adventure quest is still alive?

And the other similar something-quest games, but they were smaller.
I never got to assemble that stupid sword

[mighty galleon]

yeah its still alive somehow

[uneven nymph]

The devs go to events and stuff too. Like the anime con at San Diego

[floral quiver]

I cant get my uploaded world to load in vrchat. It sends u back home. Does anyone know how to fix this issue

[vocal shard]

@uneven nymph I've seen em in one of D-piddys vids

Selling merch and being chocked out by D-piddy...

[weak hearth]

How the heck do I log into a different/mule account in the Unity SDK? >_< I log out, then log in as the other account and it just logs me back into the main account. If I log out, then close/re-open the settings menu, it logs me back into my main account.

[tacit plank]

You might have a password saved somewhere in the registry (use regedit)

[grim cairn]

Hey

Where can I get a bowser female avatar in VRChat?

[paper pecan]

I havent seen one you may have to build it

[weak hearth]

There are so many 0_o none public that I know of yet.

[grim cairn]

Well I saw someone using it in VRChat

[dire palm]

there is one in that

website

[grim cairn]

I saw a picture in facebook

[weak hearth]

They may have made it. I know a couple people who are working on ripping other models apart to make bowsette.

[grim cairn]

They are making a ship mario x bowsette

🤦

Mario just throws out peach

[frozen trout]

I'm posting my Bowsette in my world today.

[weak hearth]

saw a... booette? whatever the big boo is wearing the crown.

[grim cairn]

What is the name of your world @frozen trout

[frozen trout]

Kareeda's Avatar Airship. working on it now

[grim cairn]

Say the world name in DM

[vocal shard]

@quartz basin you probably want to remove that link

[grim cairn]

I will search it tomorrow

[inner cape]

Uh oh

[umbral reef]

Yes remove that website link k tnx

[quartz basin]

Huh? Why?

[inner cape]

Sails wants to get spanked

[vocal shard]

cuz it's against the rules

[grim cairn]

First everyone wants a platelet now a bowsette

[floral aspen]

we don't talk about that site here

[quartz basin]

Jesus, is it also against the rules to have fun?

[paper pecan]

someone told me someone was changing up BP's in avatar worlds is that true?

[grim cairn]

Bowsette makes the platelets extinct

[floral aspen]

No, but that site is shit

[vocal shard]

that site host rule breaking content

[tacit plank]

First link of the description:
Model is undecimated at 30k polygons, requires polygon bypass

[vocal shard]

if you want to get kicked that's your problem

we just warn you to remove it

[quartz basin]

Or maybe you just decimate the polygons yourself? Only because I post a link to a model doesn't mean you should use it like that.

Just because I post a link from a news outlet about a murder doesn't mean you need to kill someone.

Argh!

[vocal shard]

that's not how it work

read the rules

[inner cape]

Lmoa

Another smart ass

[paper pecan]

Decimation isnt the key retopology is.

[umbral reef]

It's still an destructive website towards the community and should boycotted

[floral aspen]

^

[quartz basin]

Ok, I've read the rules. Which rule did I violate?

[tacit plank]

The site likely hosts stolen avatars

[vocal shard]

rule 13

[paper pecan]

Decimating ruins your mesh if its a model over 100k I usually retopo everything with quad draw in Maya then rerig and uvunwrap

[vocal shard]

it does

[quartz basin]

What? Bowsette is OC someone made

[vocal shard]

it also host paid content

[quartz basin]

How is this ripped or pirated?

[umbral reef]

The rest of the website does

[tacit plank]

Maybe the creator doesn't want it on there, but it's more the website in general

[umbral reef]

Linking to an sfw pornhub link is also not allowed...
👀

[paper pecan]

Ive found a few of my models on that site. I just grab the name and report.

[tacit plank]

It also has tutorials on how to mod the SDK and such, it's just not a good site, even if some thing on there are legit

[inner cape]

[floral aspen]

maybe that specific model isn't, but the site as a whole, hosts stolen, pirated, and ripped models. The models it hosts are also super unoptimized, it hosts modded clients, obnoxious screen space shaders, etc. That's why you aren't allowed to link that site

[quartz basin]

Again, it doesn't state in the rules that it's not allowed to link that website.

[vocal shard]

yes it does

Rules 13. No discussion of piracy, game ripping, or links to pirated/ripped content

"links to pirated/ripped content"

that website is hosting those

[inner cape]

Gottem

[quartz basin]

So people posting their OC is ripped or pirated content?

[vocal shard]

people hosting, ripped asset from other games

dynamic bone asset

[floral aspen]

dude, the OC model isn't the point. The site that it's hosted on is the problem

[vocal shard]

muscle editor

[umbral reef]

Bruh your hella dense

[vocal shard]

and so on

[inner cape]

The fact that 1 post is legit doesnt mean the whole site is

[vocal shard]

are breaking the rules by hosting it on that website

stop being a smartass and just remove the link and dont talk about it

[quartz basin]

So if I upload one ripped content to Megaupload, is that website also a problem?

[inner cape]

[floral aspen]

yes, as it would violate rule 13

[quartz basin]

Lol

[umbral reef]

If they promote the content
Don't take action to prevent it and make it there selling point - Yes

[paper pecan]

Im honestly considering making some tutorials on MMD model creation in PMX then porting over and retopology and rerigging.

[vocal shard]

do it

[umbral reef]

^^^^

[vocal shard]

more tutorials is always welcome

[umbral reef]

Can never have enough tutorials that explain things better

[floral aspen]

That would be great Alease

[inner cape]

Retopology sounds complicated af

[paper pecan]

maybe then people will actually put some effort into models too. Theres so much you can do.

[inner cape]

Sadly, not many will

[umbral reef]

Nah because destructive websites with shit optimized content is easier

[vocal shard]

people are lazy, don't forget that

[inner cape]

Very

[forest salmon]

yeah optimizing takes time, a lot don't want to spend that time and just play

[paper pecan]

Retopology is but once you understand how it should look it doesnt take that long.

[umbral reef]

It takes jack shit time

Combine materials to be below 10
Cat almost always does that perfect for mmds

[paper pecan]

quad draw was a godsend back in 2012

[umbral reef]

And nondynamic bones tada

[rough flax]

Technically VRC mods is a stolen model site so you can't mention or post a link to there

[umbral reef]

Enough optimization

[vocal shard]

sails doesnt care about that

because OC

so it's fine

[inner cape]

[quartz basin]

Did I end up in the EU? Weirdly enough uploading OC is also blocked thanks to article 13, like your pointless rule 13.

Coincidence?

[vocal shard]

"pointless rule"

we got it boys

we got a madlad

rules are for idiots

[tacit plank]

4. No sexual content.
5. No discussion of piracy, game ripping, or links to pirated/ripped content
6. No discussion on how to hack / cheat in VRChat
7. No advertising of services, games, applications, or similar products unless explicitly approved by administration

Linking that site arguably breaks all of these

[inner cape]

Who would win,
40k+ user discord rule
Or some angry boi

[paper pecan]

I should add something with model etiquette too . I mean, if it says dont port to VRC you should respect that. Using parts and stuff has its own rules too. I should probably do something with that.

[cold talon]

[quartz basin]

Oh man, VRchat is a social game. If you start being autistic about someone having an unoptimized avatar instead of just talking to them, maybe you need to do something else?

[inner cape]

Im out

[vocal shard]

we are autistic now boys, it's getting better and better

[quartz basin]

But hey, you do your autisitc screeching at other avatars while I have fun talking to people.

To each his own

[forest salmon]

oof

[paper pecan]

I took down a hell of a lot of my own custom parts because I found out someone was selling models with them on it.

[modern sand]

@quartz basin Calm down with the edge please.

[tacit plank]

Talking is what we're doing now, trying to prevent people from downloading bad avatars

[quartz basin]

"bad" avatars. Leave that to the person wanting to download the OC.

Again, it is OC, it is not ripped or pirated and can be optimized by the user who downloads it.

[vocal shard]

@paper pecan you have a website of some sort for your models?

[tacit plank]

The model description has a guide on breaking the SDK because they couldn't decimate it

[quartz basin]

I am not supporting him using the avatar as it is

[umbral reef]

@modern sand Is VRCmods banned or not with the bad things on the website

[modern sand]

Yes

[umbral reef]

There

[quartz basin]

Atleast update your rules then

[tacit plank]

https://www.deviantart.com/coldblast/art/MMD-TDA-Bowsette-Princess-Bowser-v1-0-DL-765241428
Is it so hard to link the model without mentioning that site?

[forest salmon]

clear answer

[umbral reef]

See sails- Now learn to be less dense

[paper pecan]

I shut down my old DA account with my parts. My portfolio is currently filled with some NDA related subjects so I cant pass that on just yet can probably show you that in december

[vocal shard]

there is nothing to update

[quartz basin]

Less dense? Not in the rules so it's not a rule violation.

Simple as that. If you're against it, update your rules.

[vocal shard]

it clearly is

[forest salmon]

it is in the rules

[cold talon]

[vocal shard]

like

90% of models

[lyric umbra]

[vocal shard]

will tell you to use a modded SDK

[lyric umbra]

Oof

[paper pecan]

@quartz basin Why not check on deviantart? Tupper has a really good tutorial thats still very relevant. Just make sure to read the description if you find the character please. Some model makers really don't want them on VRC.

[cold talon]

and the other 10% dont
but still require

[tacit plank]

Linking to a site with stolen avatars is against the rules

[quartz basin]

I'm pretty sure there are deviantart users who also tell you how to avoid the poly limit.

[tacit plank]

They do it intentionally too. Host these things

[vocal shard]

pretty sure they dont

since deviant art doesnt care about vrchat

[umbral reef]

brb linking to bad websites with an small amount of good content and then claiming its fine linking as the content directly linked to is totally ok while everything else isnt fine on the website /s

[paper pecan]

Some artists do care.

[tacit plank]

No, DA users are independent of VRChat, and make models for MMD stuff

[paper pecan]

Remember the Diana model that everyone was in?

[vocal shard]

those artists removed the download link now

[lyric umbra]

🍿

[umbral reef]

Most of deviant art dislikes VRC

[vocal shard]

so it doesnt matter much anymore

[tacit plank]

But if the site says "do not use in VRChat" then I'd not recommend sharing it here either

[paper pecan]

Yeah users now put that in there, if it doesnt say that or not to be ported to other games or softwares. Then just follow the terms of service with the model.

I make a hell of a lot of mine from parts or scratch

[vocal shard]

some people allows their models to be used and/or editer

you get those

[lofty tundra]

this salt is realy entertaining and how blind people can get when salt is involved, just great, even when pointing the obvious out, its still not good enough

[placid zealot]

Find mmd parts. Check for permission.

[quartz basin]

I mean, if you're so righteous about your avatars, why not just go on a killing/banning spree through VRchat and punish everyone who uses an mmd model?

[lyric umbra]

🍿 gives you popcorn @lofty tundra

[umbral reef]

There are an fair bit of rights free parts you can mix and match-
Plenty of mmd models on the first two websites you linked DO allow and promote for VRC use

[rough flax]

Sails got told to hush for telling the truth

[umbral reef]

@rough flax For claiming an website with bad content is allowed?

[paper pecan]

? What do you mean. I'm just trying to help you. I'm sorry if you took offense to anything I said.

[cold talon]

oh peps joining the movie

[umbral reef]

If that is the truth i need to swallow a lot more stuff before i can see it like that

[quartz basin]

Oh, now it's just bad content and not forbidden content?

[umbral reef]

It had bad and forbidden content

[rough flax]

Who knows what content exactly is stolen.

[umbral reef]

There happy 👏 ?

[tacit plank]

Both

[cold talon]

@rough flax remove dat emote before it gets removed by an admin

[quartz basin]

If you dislike bad content, VRchat definitely is not for you.

[umbral reef]

We dont need to as there is plenty of other things on there that are illegal or not allowed

[rough flax]

No Pepe allowed?

[kind anchor]

Atleast knuckles is a good content for vrchat and no problem using it

[paper pecan]

Sails why are you still going on about bad content?

[lofty tundra]

im on the verge to crying because this gets better and better and thanks @lyric umbra

[cold talon]

niet

[tacit plank]

Also DA links don't come with shaders. Anyone who wants to blur peoples screens will currently have to work for it (make it themselves) but 'that' website has unityproject files on it

[quartz basin]

I'm not, the others are.

[rough flax]

nofunallowed.jpg

[cold talon]

the comment gets 👏

[quartz basin]

I just pointed out that posting a link to OC should not be considered a violation to a rule.

[paper pecan]

@lyric umbra When did you get here

[lyric umbra]

@lofty tundra np 🍿 👌

3 min ago

[vocal shard]

dunno with sails blow this out of proportion

[paper pecan]

I tried helping 😦

[floral aspen]

and we're pointing out the just because what you linked to is OC is irrelevant if the rest of the site hosts rule breaking content

[dapper stump]

Is that the virgo also enjoying reading through this

[vocal shard]

all you needed to do was to remove the link

and say ok.

[tacit plank]

It's not OC

[vocal shard]

and done

but no

[umbral reef]

@vocal shard But that means he is wrong!

And he can NEVER be wrong!

[lofty tundra]

@quartz basin if you want to post OC then for the sake of god, dont do it on websites that host rule breaking stuff, BOOM problem solved LOL

[quartz basin]

Yes, just abide by the non-existing rules.

[vocal shard]

apparently we need to blow this out of proprtions once again

[umbral reef]

Rules you cant seem to understand*

[lyric umbra]

@dapper stump 🍿 shares my popcorn yep

[quartz basin]

Oh for christ sake. OC is not ripped or pirated content.

[tacit plank]

It was uploaded to DA by coldblast, then reuploaded onto that site by somebody else

[quartz basin]

is it so hard to understand?

[umbral reef]

Fucking everyone who joined after the first request is against that website 😂

[lyric umbra]

It's a good read

[vocal shard]

we are talking about the other stuff sails

[dapper stump]

Lmao

[vocal shard]

they mostly host rule breaking stuff

[umbral reef]

So i dont see why you keep protecting there asses

[vocal shard]

why can't you understand that

[paper pecan]

@quartz basin Please read the VRChat official Terms Of Service. https://vrchat.com/legal

[floral aspen]

@quartz basin how many times we gotta tell you, the OC is irrelevant if the site it's hosted on has rule breaking content

[tacit plank]

I don't see how it's OC or not ripped when the guy just downloaded it and rehosted it

[tidal aspen]

Lemme upload my avatar to Pirate Bay and get upset I can’t post the link here

[vocal shard]

I was w my girl and a guy came and said ''you both look adorable''

[umbral reef]

They are the reason those crash guns are popular- Why those screen shakers are a thing

[placid zealot]

It's like linking to pirate bay

[cold talon]

pirate bay shared models, thats genius

[rough flax]

I'm not gonna read 3 hours of text, summarize pls.

[floral aspen]

There's fucktons of other sites that don't break the rules that it could have been hosted on

[quartz basin]

So uploading perfectly fine content to a website you don't like should be not allowed?

brb, just gonna upload lots of stolen content to deviantart so that side also will be not allowed.

[cold talon]

uploading perfectly fine content to a website that breaks rules is not fine

[vocal shard]

deviant art isnt hosting stuff for vrchat

[floral aspen]

@quartz basin the difference is deviantart doesn't promote said stolen content

[quartz basin]

But soon will be if alot of people will do it.

[forest salmon]

This is the reason I'm on this discord 🍿

[lyric umbra]

@rough flax 🍿 gives you popcorn um models, links, pirate bay, angry, vrc, sails pissed

[vocal shard]

@forest salmon because dense people ?

[lyric umbra]

👌

[lofty tundra]

@lyric umbra could i get more? mine is already empty >.>

[forest salmon]

people getting 👏 but more the discussions

[quartz basin]

Do i see vrchmods publicy promiting stolen content no matter where you go on that websitze?

[floral aspen]

@lofty tundra here ya go bud 🍿

[tacit plank]

Sails, it's not even OC to begin with, it's made by Coldblast on deviantart

[dapper stump]

Was gonna head back to bed but i mean this is great

[lyric umbra]

@lofty tundra 🍿 here you go bud

[umbral reef]

@rough flax tldr
Fella links to an shit website with illegal content
We ask him to not do it and he goes mental claiming the rules doesn't directly dissalow it while it dissalows the website
Even the admin confirmed what we said but that's isn't enough for denseboy

[cold talon]

feed on the salt

[topaz sapphire]

facepalms

[tacit plank]

People rip others avatars and upload them there, also others assets

[paper pecan]

Annnnd now sayon got involved thought you werent buddy XD

[tacit plank]

Every cool thing you will find is made by somebody else and leaked there

[topaz sapphire]

XD

[tacit plank]

For example the gpu particles thing

[topaz sapphire]

Its too tempting.

[lyric umbra]

Lol

Hell yeah big brother in the house @topaz sapphire 🍿

[topaz sapphire]

Hahah.

[vocal shard]

i'll let you guys deal with him

[paper pecan]

That pun

[vocal shard]

i give up

[paper pecan]

should not exist

[topaz sapphire]

That pun is perfect.

xD

[vocal shard]

he is either too dense so useless or trolling us at this point

good luck

[lyric umbra]

👍

[topaz sapphire]

Thanks!

[paper pecan]

Im just going back to working on animations for a secret thingy

sayon knows what Im on about

[topaz sapphire]

Oh yes I do ^^

[lyric umbra]

@paper pecan 🍿 here you go lol

[paper pecan]

oof popcorn hell yeah!

[lyric umbra]

👌

[paper pecan]

gimmie gimmmie

[tacit plank]

More like, don't mention the site all the time, lmao

[paper pecan]

it violates rule 13, 18, 23

[topaz sapphire]

Ah.

[quartz basin]

So, it does not associate with the game. Can we now use it?

[floral aspen]

no

it hosts rule breaking content

[tacit plank]

Also 4 and 22

[quartz basin]

So does Deviantart

[lyric umbra]

Annnd round two everyone 🍨 🍿

[placid zealot]

So when you want to show people a movie you really like do you link to pirate bay?

[quartz basin]

Yes, hit me up with that copyright logic

[inner cape]

[lofty tundra]

@lyric umbra i have cookies 🍪 , want some too?

[tacit plank]

Deviantart provides material for MMD, it is not related to VRChat

[floral aspen]

deviantart doesn't have modded vrc clients and pirated unity assets

[placid zealot]

Copyright logic lmao