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#vrchat-general-2
vocal shard
tacit plank
It's necessary
forest salmon
I feel it's more of a safety system, or at least that's how it's being advertised
tacit plank
Because without gating, people upload crash avatars
quartz basin
Or just give them a ranking which doesn't make sense to begin with and let the shitstorm begin who actually really is the better rank?
vocal shard
Crash yourselves, i don't want to bother with peasants
quartz basin
We now have the option to block avatars individually which is more than enough.
forest salmon
still wouldn't prevent shaders crasher, once they come into the room
tacit plank
You can block shaders individually too
quartz basin
We remodel a system and tag everyone with ranks because of a few crash kiddies even though anti-crashers exist.
I don't know how anti-crashers work but couldn't we implement these automatically everytime you upload your avatar?
Correct me if I'm wrong
tacit plank
Whoever allowed Pinterest on Google images should be fired
cold talon
trusted tag in vrcd when?
tacit plank
Shaders are still an issue right now btw
forest salmon
@tacit plank I assume you mean blocking all the shaders for a group or actually having that one specific shader blocked?
lost agate
wait so it is confirmed that people that played for a long time wont receive the rank they deserve?
tacit plank
The system just allows users to descriminated now, it sucks that some might, but it should be their own choice, right?
quartz basin
Like I said, colour war is coming.
lost agate
cuz i did not read that anywhere but in this chat
vocal shard
no
tacit plank
That should be in there. I think you might be able to remove a single persons shader too though
tacit plank
I haven't used it myself yet though
That works for now, but recently search engines are ignoring my "+" and "-" tags
Once you could do shit like "inurl" and "filetype:png" and specify dates "2010..2012" and search for exact strings, etc. like 40 different things. But it's pretty much all gone
floral aspen
Quinix I've played for a long time and I have trusted status, so idk
lost agate
Well whatever choice they make its probably well thought out and for the best.
but the real question is.. how many hours?
willow solstice
Played since december, known
I've also seen people with 1000+ hours played and are known
pretty sure it's not based on ithat.
willow solstice
That actually doesn't matter is what I'm saying.
I know players with 1000-1500 hours played and are known too.
tacit plank
I think later ranks are reversed to content creators, I do agree that 1k+ hours should net you a higher rank though. They might change how it works with all this feedback and discussion
A small problem though, is people going AFK, no good way to test for that
willow solstice
No, I think the current system is bad. After a normal month of play time (or 50 hours), you should not have any restrictions if you have no infractions. Having these "higher ranks" is absolutely counter-intuitive, even worse since there is not a concrete way to bring yourself back to having no limitations.
opaque jewel
If it helps I have about 1200 hours, 408 friends, 1 published world, 15 avatars, and I tend to world hop. From what I've heard I am veteran status or something.
willow solstice
Not from time registered, hours played, number of friends, number of avatars, number of worlds visited, number of hours talking to people, etc...
I don't think that any of those are actually factors in their "scoring"
opaque jewel
Also I don't talk I use literal sign language.
https://v2.lareviewofbooks.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/Wile-E.-Coyote.gif
As in that.
vocal shard
does anyone notice the huge influx in worlds?
willow solstice
I've been asking around for every single one of those factors, and absolutely none are consistent
willow solstice
in fact the only consistent one is having public worlds to your name gives you more points
opaque jewel
Again, if it helps there's my little statistic.
rough pulsar
It is currently wildly inconsistent. There's users who have been active on vrchat for 4 years who don't have veteran status.
vocal shard
Maybe its random for everyone which factor is the strongest
willow solstice
Then why even have the system in the first place
vocal shard
guess my factor is the amount of dabs
opaque jewel
I explore new worlds constantly
vocal shard
Does anyone know were I can get a kirito avatar?
grave dagger
same
vocal shard
as a world creator i can assure you i tab to my world to check daily and its at a constant 0
I mena
Mean*
if its not featured nobody cares
Could have just made a leveling system
opaque jewel
In fact I favorite the ones that are actually interesting or creative besides the over abundance of "Lag Free" worlds
floral aspen
lag free worlds are bullshit
floral aspen
any world will lag in this game if you have enough people in the instance
grave dagger
people go to worlds with people, you can host your friends in your world and people will come
willow solstice
All of this says to people is honestly "higher ranks get chosen on some arbitrary secret club mentality", which is very, very counter-intuitive from its purpose
Having a ranking system in a chat program without clearly defined rules seems very odd.
opaque jewel
To which I must say shout out to JackOfChaos to actually getting sick and tired of the "Lag Free" worlds and calling them out by creating a true world that is optimized, baked lighting, and occlusion culling. Followed with a sign and video guide that not sure if he made yet about optimization
Also reasonable number for player capacity helps
vocal shard
but legit working with vrc-trigger is legit hell
some triggers dont even work and most arent documented properly
im yet to find a guide on them
®©
opaque jewel
Just have to push through until Udon and or Playmaker
floral aspen
he didn't say soon, he said it's coming next
vocal shard
playmaker is dead
grave dagger
So "Next" is better than Soon
floral aspen
when that next update will be? Who knows lol
opaque jewel
True, but you know. All the talk about it
But oh well, what's done is done and maybe will implement just for shits and giggles later in the future
opaque jewel
There are video guides one player made
vocal shard
i made a lunar siege map but couldnt get those damn triggers to work
there is one issue
opaque jewel
CyanLaser is your guy
vocal shard
im scared my map will be scuffed for VR users because i dont have it
everything is done with desktop igpus in mind
opaque jewel
Don't know until you test it
vocal shard
i guess my worlds are automatically optimized yknow
since i build them with my weak system in mind
and everyone playing vrc has a beast machine
opaque jewel
Pretty much just go through the little checklist, you know? Is lighting baked properly, is things not moving set to static, is occlusion culling working properly? So on and so on.
I have a document if you like me to dm it to you
vocal shard
Is there a world with a kirito avatar?
opaque jewel
Sword Art Online World I would believe
opaque jewel
Oh, probably need to find and upload them then.
vocal shard
please
i need written tutorials
I tried
youtube is a nesscesarry evil
Failed many times
opaque jewel
@vocal shard let me get that to you, reason for the ping since it's faster to dm for me.
Like you can't find one or you can't upload one?
vocal shard
sure
I cant get the textures
To work
And I cant find a good model
sounds like a uv mapping problem
Idk
I can get them to show on blendrr
Blender
ok
Just not mixamo
explain to me how you cant get them to show
is the model pink?
opaque jewel
Mixamo won't show textures I think(?)
vocal shard
Also the only model I found was 1000 polys
opaque jewel
*let's perhaps move this to #avatars-2-general *
vocal shard
Okie
karmic bear
Ok. I have one thing to say about this new tiered trust system.
Luh-Fuckin-Mao
That's just what this underdeveloped social game with a penchant for tribalism needs.
a caste system
vocal shard
Silence peasants, only veteran users can talk here.
It doesn't help that they have a rank "trusted user" thus implying everyone else can't be trusted
karmic bear
As per usual, someone in the VRChat dev team has a good idea, and then somebody else proceeds to fuck it up and apply the idea in the most assbackwards way
mild topaz
my problem with the new update cominin gout is that vrchat is supposed to be a place where people can go to not be judged. and now some thing gets added that separates people.
tacit plank
Is nudity allowed if it's art?
opaque jewel
And I still stand by the thought of new players coming in will not have the best experience when the community has them blocked and they can't even upload worlds or avatars for a certain amount of time.
karmic bear
I think it's going to lead to a certain amount of animosity as well
Visitor is going to become "possible crash gunner"
Actually no
That's dumb, and retarded. I retract that statement and won't even delete it
because I feel dumb for making it.
tacit plank
You can usually tell by how people move if they want to communicate or annoy you
karmic bear
It won't cause that, but I still worry about castes forming
tacit plank
Maybe VRChat is sponsored by a social experiment now, as a new income strategy
That was a joke, but an interesting one I feel
median basalt
There's definitely going to be castes forming
I'm just gonna make a shader that shows up fine, but tells people to turn their filters off if they have the shader filter on
mild topaz
all I am saying is that I feel like it is profiling. but I am open minded and so I will see what comes of it.
tacit plank
The rank system is fairly simple
mild topaz
I do like the idea of being able to block shaders. and I will probably block all ranks cuz even people with veteran ranks have some bad shaders as well
tacit plank
It won't monitor how you talk to people or anything
mild topaz
but caffeine human nature states that I am a higher rank so I am better than you.
thats just human nature
mild topaz
yeah like I said I am an open minded person so we will see
mild topaz
yeah everything could change. I just want some reinsurance that this is not a plan too seperate everyone
median basalt
I'm not gonna filter anything out
The impact of blocking shaders is far wider than you might think
karmic bear
The root idea is solid.
median basalt
The default settings just suck balls is all
Well, that's not all
But that's a large part of it
The way they guide you towards blocking everything by default
karmic bear
But all that you need is Visitor, New User, User
everything above that is just fucking dick waving
tacit plank
Not really
Somebody with 1k hours is just much less likely to crash you than somebody with 50
Also less likely to spam particle effects everywhere, etc. I do get your point though
mild topaz
thats my point fez. its profiling and then doesnt make that game fun ofr new comers
tacit plank
Their avatars might be blocked
But they won't, and their words likely won't
Like most didn't block avatars by default, or anyone with a russian name or knuckles avatar
odd lava
I do not believe anyone will treat people differently, it just make sense to have different settings for groups, I for one will probably block all, since I am not interested in seeing RT light/particles etc
System seems solid
upper hawk
oh um, hello! i uh.... is there a gizmo or something here? who has a big avatar world?
Gorbi! thats his name
karmic bear
You mean like a comission?
upper hawk
oooh i didn't know it would cost, his room doesn't say about it
karmic bear
Well that's how it generally works when someone does something custom for you
@vestal axle whut
upper hawk
ah... i guess i won't get one then, thanks anyway
vocal shard
how long do support/moderation emails take for a reply? just wondering.
karmic bear
Cucked means fucking everything these days be specific
@vocal shard How long is a piece of string
That is a bad thing
Don't talk about that here
I can guarantee mods or staff or admin will don't be down for discussing it on this discord.
So quit while you're ahead
upper hawk
where do i ask if someone would like to make a avatar for free for me? (i am prepared to get told no and f off and stuff)
pseudo stump
flat charm
this unity stuff is to confusing and takes up my time
vocal shard
You can pay with your vr body
flat charm
i had someone that was gonna make me an avatar for free, i told them what i wanted he said sure but never made it and doesnt reply back
karmic bear
Getting AV's for free is thoroughly unlikely
You'd do better to learn the basics yourself
upper hawk
i don't even get how to make a image 3d
vocal shard
Chrissy you can port an MMD avatar if youd like
these models can be edited well by headswapping, hairswapping, clothes additions and what not
upper hawk
i dunno how to do that either
ocean bramble
@upper hawk It's not difficult, just watch a tutorial
pseudo stump
There are a lot of tutorials online that take you through the whole process of making one yourself. Until then you can use use avatar worlds.
No one is going to make you one for free. Unless you've got a super nice friend or something.
upper hawk
drat
ocean bramble
Watch this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7P0ljQ6hU0A
ocean bramble
Well that's how it works. If you don't know how to upload a model, you haven't watched the tutorial 
upper hawk
or i can't get it to work, or i don't understand the steps
not everyone are at the same level of ability
but thanks for the help anyway
i appreciate it
vocal shard
🙄
ocean bramble
Mh what's the first thing you struggle at?
upper hawk
when i clicked fix model
the next step is small adjustments
and it keeps flipping out on me when i try, the hands go to pluto
vocal shard
does anyone know why vrchat.net wont keep me logged in?
cookies enabled
browser history not wiped in two months
north axle
ivory folio
does it save your autofill information? Because mine doesn't keep me logged in but saves my autofill
median basalt
It saves for the current browser session only basically
ruby burrow
One detail from the future update article...
[Hiding or Showing Specific Users
You might encounter a user that, despite their higher Trust Rank, is wearing an avatar you’d rather not see. You can select that user and choose “Hide Avatar” in their social panel. This will hide that user’s avatar and disable all features except for voice. You can re-enable their avatar and features by simply clicking the button again, which will be labeled “Show Avatar”.]
Finally! Will be glad to have this.
ruby burrow
No longer having to outright block someone and render them invisible, when I'd still rather know if they're around.
Wah! D:
😥
ruby burrow
Y u bulli...
ruby needle
But yeah, that feature has been missed by a lot
upper hawk
gives both of you shackles now kiss
ruby burrow
Reading through this update outline, the main thing on my mind is that the default settings for shaders still seems somewhat over restrictive. Disabled at one setting too high at least.
Although noticing the option to disable animations, that's one I think I might actually use on the lowest rank or two.
mighty galleon
ima record the wedding
upper hawk
plays wedding march
ruby needle
dont forgett that the shader block does mean untrusted shaders
afaik there is defaults that are allowed (and replaced with bundled ones so you cant ust spoof the name) like cubeds or noenoe
and that everything is customizable to how you like it
ruby burrow
Unless someone is going around with crazy particle spam or massive obnoxious shader globes in their default state, disabling animations seems like it should eliminate nearly all forms of griefing in one go.
ruby needle
it also disables immersion for some thing 
ruby burrow
Mhmm. On regular users you'd lose facial expression and silly dance emotes/floating off into space.
ruby needle
and never forgett you can individually override now too
ruby burrow
But I can toggle that based on who I'm with I guess
ruby needle
so if you have a mute or something that is interacting with you / the group you are talking with
you can override it for that person
so you aren't limited by the system
and that is the very important thing!
ruby burrow
But the main thing is, it's going to be great fun being able to stare a crasher in the face, and just watch as he tries to kill you with the default finger gun gesture.
vocal shard
what i dont like is how they separate user in "trusted" and "not trusted"
ruby needle
they dont
ruby needle
you do
ruby burrow
If they want to run around with their crashers active by default at all times (not needing an animation) then they can, but they won't last long.
vocal shard
octuplex posted a canny link in #feature-requests that explain this very well
ruby needle
while the trust system exists and does have a default separation by that
you are still the one in charge to accept it or not
you can just treat everyone the same and set up the settings for that
nothing stops you
ruby burrow
I do find the terminology could maybe do with a slight tweak. Whilst it's purely a name, the phrase "trusted" being so high up is maybe slightly alienating to newer users.
ruby burrow
I feel like I'd move trusted down to where Known User currently sits. And put something else in for Trusted.
I also hope they don't take too long to add that separate "safe mode" setting that the panic button is supposed to switch to. Having it just nuke your custom setting initially will be a nuisance.
mild topaz
I feel like there need to be a better system all together because nothing good ever comes from labeling people.
tiny tusk
wintry prairie
was it Tris or Faces that had to be below 20k?
ruby needle
tris
inner oak
Hello
vocal shard
hi
uneven remnant
vocal shard
just remove the legs
odd crown
Delete your unused emotions
plain ridge
Get really tall boots, cut off the legs and feet.
vocal shard
if you have any skins
under the cloth
remove it
also you can make stuff 3d to 2d
wintry prairie
no
vocal shard
do you have 3d object on your model that you can make 2d ?
wintry prairie
uuh
odd crown
Any particle systems on your avatar in unity? the particles count towards the cap
wintry prairie
the belt, maybe?
forest salmon
yep
vocal shard
i made this a long ass time ago, when people still decimated https://imgur.com/a/u9fh0cU
vocal shard
(it's an album btw so open the link to see the whole thing)
forest salmon
the max particle setting on the particle system determines the "slots" used. So make sure to set it to what it emits at max capacity by default it's set to 1000 @odd crown
odd crown
See if your model has a garter belt that has 40k polys on its own. I had that issue once
vocal shard
Or even an other hidden head inside the head. O.o
brisk yew
I keep hearing mixed things about this
Is it possible for someone to actually physically damage your PC with a powerful crasher
ruby needle
no
not unless it has a fault that already exists
in which case it might be able to be the tip of the iceberg
vocal shard
yes they can and as a bonus they can teleport your component to their house
ruby needle
but it would have beenm the case with any other application for too long
brisk yew
Yeah that’s what I figured. Like don’t a lot of graphics cards have emergency shut offs if they get too hot anyway
wintry prairie
if a model has a cape with bones, and i remove the cape and put it later in unity, will that cape have bones?
median basalt
Only if you also export it with the armature
edgy storm
Small detail I just noticed in the beta quick menu (didn't checked if its the same on the live version)
The top buttons have an area that either doesn't have colliders or I just can't reach in desktop mode, like, it doesn't enable clicking on the buttons in that zone
https://i.imgur.com/1WMZTep.png
brisk yew
Does VRChat work with a controller
vocal shard
yes
i saw some people play with one
they can even rotate objects
does vrchat work my 3ds
yes
but only as a powerpoint
heck
half apex
the only con to the controller is the slow camera movement.
brisk yew
O
Getting a lap dance in VR is the weirdest thing ever. Some dude tried doing it to me earlier
It seemed cool until his avatar broke out into a jumbled up mess cuz body tracking messed up
It goes from R-rated content to a comedy
raven silo
fullbody does jump out order when go out sync
floral zodiac
does anyone know how i could improve my tracking (hands) cause when im crouching or try to grab stuff on the grounds my hands can't get below my knees and its very annoying and unusable
both of my tracker are facing me
floral zodiac
no i mean my acthuall setup , where to put my trackers and all
vocal shard
get a third one for even better tracking
floral zodiac
i m broke so no thanks
vocal shard
sell a kidney
floral zodiac
i already sell mine for the oculus
final vale
why was my message deleted ?
wintry prairie
https://imgur.com/a/UvmSmez idk what else to do
vocal shard
sell a leg to a cannibal 
wintry prairie
halp
vocal shard
how many poly is the hair ?
hands ?
and head
@final vale what did you try to post ?
wintry prairie
3,8k hair, 9k hands
vocal shard
because it was removed instantly
so i guess it's something that the bot is looking for
hand are way too high tbh
wintry prairie
i know
final vale
i asked if i would get banned for using an avatar wich plays a "non family friendly music"
yes
wintry prairie
is there a safe way to decimate the hands
final vale
why
vocal shard
because it host rule breaking avatar, unoptimized avatars, stolen assets and avatars, paid unity asset and ripped asset
which is basically all against the rules
vocal shard
you gonna just remove the hands ? 
karmic bear
The poly limit is dumb
vocal shard
can anyone take a model i have and put it into a world?
i cant yet i have not played enough
outer mulch
So whats the deal with VRchat!?
vocal shard
?
outer mulch
I saw something in public lobby
Something about the api being bugged for the ranks?
Elaborate?
From what I gathered everyones rank is 1 rank lower in the beta?
vocal shard
the api is showing one rank above what you really are
tidal aspen
it's not bugged those are just the internal names
veterans in game show as trust_legends
vocal shard
legendary API = Veteran in-game
Veteran API = Trusted User in-game
Trusted user API = Known User in-game
Known User API = User in-game
no clue for visitors and new users tho
tidal aspen
visitors are basic
basic -> intermediate -> known -> trusted -> veteran -> legend | API
visitor -> new user -> user -> known -> trusted -> veteran | In-game
outer mulch
I still dont get the api thing
any way I can see my rank
I looked in beta but im only known
vocal shard
why don't they use the same name
veteran exist in both system but they represent something different
kinda confusing to do it that way
outer mulch
Me being a known is kind of let a down for me
tidal aspen
they probably coded it that way internally and then decided to change up the naming scheme, but didn't wanna change a bunch of values internally
vocal shard
in the preset safety settings, trusted and know users doesnt have any differences
Can't wait to be legendary. 😁
tidal aspen
and just displayed to the clients the current names
prisma lotus
yerrr
tidal aspen
what shows in the beta is what your rank is
outer mulch
tfw 4k hours, 3 worlds, join sepember last year, had thousands of friends
Where my vet rank lel
oh
and 400+ avatars
vocal shard
the system is weird
outer mulch
5k hours on unity 3k on blender
vocal shard
doesnt make that much sense
vocal shard
some people have a very low rank because they don't play a lot
but they contributed to the game in other ways
they got kinda fucked by that system
Some people are actually good people. But they have low rank because they have a busy real life.
outer mulch
because by default my rank cant use shaders or particle systems
final vale
what's the legendary and trusted thing ?
outer mulch
there is an open beta available
Steam > VRChat > Rightclick > Properties > Betas > -open beta- > Launch game
Keep in mind, only beta players can see beta players
but you get to check out all the neat new ui
Even things I suggested are in there
tfw my suggestion to favorite avatars was implimented :o
karmic bear
Who is psyched for the UDON release
outer mulch
tfw> can only fave 3 of my stacks of avatars
karmic bear
When people start adding Veterans rooms
vocal shard
tfw when thousand of people asked for the favorite thing
outer mulch
so that means its instantly my idea
vocal shard
worlds against normies
karmic bear
Here is a prefab script that will autokick everybody ranked Visitor
outer mulch
yes. that will prolly happen
karmic bear
don't need those noobs shitting up your worlds
outer mulch
Now there are ranks, can we have VRChat's Battle Discs be an E sport tournament??
wintry prairie
oof
vocal shard
@cold saddle user not found ?
that's not normal
should probably contact the support
ruby burrow
Ranks are based on the already existing trust score, which is only loosely (if at all) based on play time. It's always been said that merely idling won't increase it.
vocal shard
which is just rumors and guess at the end
rigid crescent
yep plenty of few-hundred hour vets
vocal shard
since we have absolutely no info on it
rigid crescent
and pre-2018 known/trusted
vocal shard
only thing that they said was to play the game normally ( go world to world) and add friends
that's all
ruby burrow
Mostly yeah, but also based on a reasonable bit of evidence, regarding that small detail at least.
vocal shard
it's only guess work from there
and they can adjust the system manually for each users
so 🤷
vocal shard
@wintry prairie "This game is bad, it runs likes garbage !" - said the guy with a Intel Core Duo and integrated Intel display adapter. 😆
they can do whatever the fuck they want
they control the whole thing
outer mulch
true
I kind of feel like its a fame thing to an extent
Like you know the bigger youtubers/streamers are getting vet or trusted
or if you know a mod
vocal shard
Not necessarily. Some streamers are known for bad reasons too.
outer mulch
True
rigid crescent
Of course streamers will have the vet or trusted, they play a lot
vocal shard
it tells you why
outer mulch
Lets not list off who is bad and good
ruby burrow
Manual changes like that by the devs would just require editing their database, but it's not a part of the system and not something they're going to have time or inclination to do. They've got plenty of better things to do.
Any manual edits are likely only going to be done for staff, or planned special guest events, such as that music event with DeadMaus once.
vocal shard
i don't think playtime affects it so much, i have more than 2000 hours of active gameplay and i'm only known
then you won't be able to know
outer mulch
Same Paz
outer mulch
I thought it could be content creation or friends
vocal shard
but that's also just a guess
outer mulch
Like I stated
Ive been on this game since september last year
well over 4k hours on my acc
ruby burrow
I have known rank, at 300 hours.
outer mulch
uploaded 400+ avis
vocal shard
However, it should be noted that the actual trust system is beta. So maybe it doesn't count the time spent on the release version.
outer mulch
still known
ruby burrow
So yeah, that's more evidence on play time being a very minor factor, if one at all.
vocal shard
known rank with 600 hours and i had that account since 1 and half year
ruby burrow
Very young account too.
vocal shard
The ranking system is too new to expect anything from it to be honest.
ruby burrow
The trust system has existed at least since Upload Rights were added. It's not new for this update.
outer mulch
its too dull and unexplained
outer mulch
Not asking to completely give it away
outer mulch
but still makes me feel alittle worthless when I pour thousands of hours into a game and im not even trusted :P
vocal shard
imagine hotox
I like it being a secret. So one day you get a rank up and it's a surprise. XD
dude is only a simple user in the system
ruby burrow
The best they could ever give on how it works, is ruling out stuff like idling (since that won't benefit the game anyway), and just telling people to "play normally" and not be toxic.
outer mulch
but now Im not trusted my avatars (what im known for)
are all gated!
no shaders, no particle systems
those are two of the coolest things in unity :/
rigid crescent
It's customizable by user.
outer mulch
Yeah I get that
rigid crescent
Very, very few users leave settings on default for anything.
outer mulch
but by default.
ruby burrow
I do feel the rank restrictions on at least shaders are too harsh (even despite the whitelist). Particles maybe.
rigid crescent
The first thing people do with new features is mess with them.
ruby burrow
For the default settings, I mean.
rigid crescent
and if you're using whitelisted ones, your avatar is fine.
outer mulch
I wouldn't mind having no particles unless im trusted
rigid crescent
well, shader-wise
outer mulch
Flat lit toon?
rigid crescent
NoeNoe, Cubed, Toon, Xiexie
ruby burrow
Well, a lot of users barely know the menu exists even after 100 hours play time. Personally I tamper with and explore stuff instantly, but many don't.
rigid crescent
possibly more
outer mulch
Thats what all my avis consist of
rigid crescent
So....you're fine
outer mulch
Nope
rigid crescent
It doesn't standardize whitelisted shders
vocal shard
Glad they have whitelisted shaders.
outer mulch
had my friend get on beta
rigid crescent
or didn't when I tested it
rigid crescent
I did the same and it worked for me
some people i saw as standard, due to modified shaders, and others were fine because they didn't touch them
outer mulch
Friends bypass all safety systems it seems
rigid crescent
yeah there were nonfriends
some had to swap avatars to get off standard but that's a refresh thing im guessing
It definitely allows whitelistes shaders though, otherwise there's no point in a whitelist to begin with
outer mulch
but all my avatars used cubed
outer mulch
then why they showin up as standard >.>
rigid crescent
There might be more, or more in the future
outer mulch
damnit buggy vr game
rigid crescent
Because it's bugged probably? Like I said, I tested it and it worked.
when they swapped avatars it showed them with their correct shader
it's beta for a reason after all
outer mulch
yeah
rigid crescent
but the whitelist does work
ruby burrow
My view on the shaders thing, is that whilst shader abuse is easy, it's also something that very effectively polices itself.
Think about it, when someone walks into a room with a giant screen shake shader, or some other obnoxious effect, what happens? Half the room blocks that person on sight.
Thus tanking their trust score, and keeping them down at the lower ranks.
Therefore I feel there's no need to have shaders restricted by default at a rank as high as they are right now.
outer mulch
I swear im turning into an ogre
rigid crescent
"on sight"
ok let me just play scooby doo and search them out
oh they're in another room, let me continue to be shaken while also trying to track this person down
rigid crescent
It's not always that easy
I shouldn't have to go up and hunt someone down either.
rigid crescent
....
ruby burrow
Still going to be enough to keep their score down.
outer mulch
thats a thing remember
rigid crescent
So I panic button and now everyone is blocked, back to square one
vocal shard
can't wait to see people use a massive object to block everyone view when you force them to standard
ruby burrow
It's pretty rare that those kinds of troll lurk in the shadows trying to avoid detection.
outer mulch
most users dont just join and spam the shader
rigid crescent
Come on now, think that through. This makes the panic button much less useful
outer mulch
they will use it in a song
rigid crescent
or needed, rather
ruby burrow
Normally they walk right into the centre and turn it on.
rigid crescent
and I have sounds off, should I be forced to play with those now?
outer mulch
or as a crash
rigid crescent
The shader thing will police itself over time. Less incentive to use them because no one will see them.
People's settings will adjust accordingly.
and you can block individual avatars as well, but I shouldn't have to stop what I'm doing to hunt someone down to block them
outer mulch
Private worlds.
ruby burrow
That's part of my point. The most obvious sources of abuse don't need to be restricted at mid rank. No one doing that is going to stay there long.
rigid crescent
Just stop, please
you're being difficult and making zero sense, this is to help people get OUT of private worlds
ruby burrow
And agreed, I've always hated that argument of "just go private".
outer mulch
Hmm, fair enough
rigid crescent
"Guys, why block my shader when you can just go to a private world, hunt down anyone being annoying while you're trying to enjoy and talk to people, and all these other terrible suggestions!"
ruby burrow
Everyone hiding in private and leaving public spaces to the trolls is a big part of what's been killing the new user experience.
rigid crescent
exactly
outer mulch
Dont start being rude because I made a common suggestion
rigid crescent
THe reason people like this is BECAUSE they can get out of private worlds and into public worlds, that's it
ruby burrow
As well as making the game feel stale for the veterans who have become too scared to leave their inner circles.
rigid crescent
Think about what you're saying before you say it, it jsut seemed like you were being difficult for argument sake.
rigid crescent
How is "just go to private worlds" and "just hunt the abuser down" and "just use the panic button" viable arguments
Yes the defaults are an issue, but they're customizable. People can customize them, modify them to suit their tastes.
outer mulch
If you are going to be difficult and say you shouldn't have to hunt people. then you dont sound like you care for the veterans
rigid crescent
I wouldn'tbe against the defaults being changed, but again, people can change them on their own as well.
ruby burrow
And I never said you'd have to hunt anyone down. The vast majority of obnoxious behaviour with both sounds, shaders and particles are done by simple minded trolls in plain sight.
They don't try to hide, they get in your face and recite racial profanity like it's holy scripture.
rigid crescent
I don't dislike any rank, because I'm not an idiot lol
ruby burrow
It won't catch everyone, but it will be enough to let the system work.
rigid crescent
The people who choose to see those things can also block and report them, they're not going to just suddenly disappear. People will have those things turned on
This is the same argument someone had last night. "What if they don't see the new Security button?! what if they don't read it?!" who does that? who actually does that?
who has zero friends that will mention the new system? The few people I knew who didn't know abotu the camera found out within a day or two
ruby burrow
LOTS of people, to be honest. '-'
ruby burrow
People spend dozens of hours in game without even realising they can turn of 3rd person movement, or personal space.
rigid crescent
Who's being separated?
ruby burrow
The average gamer is allerigic to reading or investigating settings menus.
rigid crescent
Did they announce that certain users can't go into certain rooms?
outer mulch
damn
rigid crescent
Separated? They're being split up?
vocal shard
No?
outer mulch
thats stupid
vocal shard
The only people you can’t see are people not in the beta yet
outer mulch
what if I rank up and cant go to a public world with my friend???
vocal shard
They aren’t separating anyone
rigid crescent
LOL I'm being facetious
This person is just misinformed
no one is being separated. period.
ruby burrow
But regardless, none of this actually has any real bearing on my point about the default setting being overly restrictive. No default setting should ever be designed in a way that isn't expected to be used.
outer mulch
oh. ok
vocal shard
Either way though, how long does it take to get vet?
ruby burrow
A default setting should be good enough to be the standard most people want to stay at. That's the point of a default.
rigid crescent
please stop lying
vocal shard
805 hours and 600 model uploads later, just a purple 😛
rigid crescent
You already had a label
vocal shard
Mhm
rigid crescent
You definitely can't
vocal shard
Umm... middle of last year I believe
rigid crescent
I have friends who started before me that are orange
I have friends that started after me that are yellow
vocal shard
July about
outer mulch
fair enough
vocal shard
Last July
ruby burrow
🌈
rigid crescent
Honig
outer mulch
Gray, Blue, Green, Orange, Purple, Yellow
rigid crescent
go inform yourself before you make baselss statements
the update is in the announcements dude
vocal shard
I think that it has to do with what you have uploaded and how much.
ruby burrow
Go have a look at the dev article in the announcements. Has all the info there.
outer mulch
Anju any worlds?
vocal shard
Not yet, working on one though!
outer mulch
I dont know then
rigid crescent
It's probably a ton of different variables
vocal shard
Mhm
ruby burrow
We didn't know that before Honig and it's irrelevant. We're all just genderless names on the internet here.
rigid crescent
facts
ruby burrow
Personally I identify as a one-eyed Japanese schoolgirl. (Outside of the reality that pays my bills...)
( One of those lines you don't want your co-workers reading... )
I'd assume no rank is permanent.
But it's fun to imagine people in that rank, stuck playing the game only with other lowlifes, wandering around their own virtual prison yard.
rigid crescent
WHo said you only get it from maknig a mistake
and why should veteran be permanent
ruby burrow
Nah, what if a veteran had a breakdown, and started going around abusing his rank to grief everyone en-mass?
There needs to be a way to demote anyone. Equal standards for all.
rigid crescent
it's not just playtime
rigid crescent
you can lose and gain any role, that's how it should be
thick flare
we can loss our upload right
thick flare
so i assume it is the same for the rank system
vocal shard
yup
covert chasm
@ruby burrow Then you just block them like any other person who is being disruptive. 
vocal shard
because if you gai the veteran system an never lose it
you can be cancer without too much issue
cuz people would just assume you are ok
ruby burrow
Well exactly Tupper, that was my point.
vocal shard
yo Tupper, who modified the vrcbot ?
ruby burrow
People would block them, and the system would demote them appropriately for it.
ruby burrow
Though you actually already could lose ranks, before they were revealed in this state.
I know (knew) someone who lost their upload rights within the same week they earned them.
covert chasm
its a bit unstable right now, need to work on it more
discord.js doesn't handle disconnection events internally
vocal shard
it works fine
covert chasm
so i have to write an error handler
vocal shard
it almost instant
ruby burrow
They uploaded themselves a crash gun on day one of getting their rights, and started going around acting like a gangsta tool in pubic worlds. So the game took their rights away again.
rapid heath
(╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻
floral flaxBOT
┬──┬ ノ( ゜-゜ノ) There you go
covert chasm
i like js ¯_(ツ)_/¯
vocal shard
olive iron
I like it too but I wouldn't use it for a bot
vocal shard
it works, so i dont see a problem here
covert chasm
discord.js is quite good, lots of discord bots are written using it
olive iron
yeah there's no problem w/ it, just unexpected
covert chasm
the ONLY issue i have with node is callback hell, and understanding promises/async
it can get mind-bendingly confusing sometimes
vocal shard
(╯°□°）╯ /(.□. \）
floral flaxBOT
┬──┬ ノ( ゜-゜ノ) There you go
rigid crescent
well, don't get tempbanned lol
ruby burrow
Like I said, this guy ran around crashing people publicly with no attempt to hide it, and acted like a general toxic dick.
So my theory had always been that getting blocked, kicked or muted reduces your trust score.
He wasn't banned, so it wasn't that.
thick flare
getting kicked certainly does
olive iron
if u want async just do the c# api 🤣 but not if you want functionality w/out tons of polymorphic casts
thick flare
not so sure about being blocked
ruby burrow
Btw Honig, don't be tempted to use any other accounts, or even an old steam account, whilst still banned. It counts as ban evasion and risks killing your account permanently.
vocal shard
┬──┬ ノ(ツ)
floral flaxBOT
┬──┬ ノ( ゜-゜ノ) There you go
olive iron
I don't think I've ever been blocked on vrchat 🤔
ruby burrow
Just gotta wait it out and learn from the mistake.
I saw someone in my friends list with an uncensored avatar profile a couple months back. Can't remember who. I thought it was a bad idea at the time. >_>
I mean, they were in a private, and their own friends are unlikely to report them, but all the same, have some decency. ^ ^;
No need to broadcast that to the entire friends list.
vocal shard
@olive iron i got no clue how it work but you can see who blocked you in vrchat
there is a website that allows you to check who blocked you
😮 !
Doesn't sound very... legal.
ruby burrow
Wonder if I've ever been blocked. Only reason I can think I've ever given someone, would be the odd occasion of using a giant avatar. I could imagine some might have an aversion to that even if trying to stay out the way.
vocal shard
Or those unique "I don't want anime in my VRChat" people.
true harness
Oof
thick flare
ah i have met those bunch
ruby burrow
Though some people can be pretty spontaneous with stuff like blocking.
Lol yeah, I guess that's a potential other source.
vocal shard
the site is safe
ruby burrow
Poor bastards are very outnumbered.
vocal shard
it's just taking what every single user can see on the API
and make it more easy to read
that's all it does
karmic bear
I block on a hair trigger
ruby burrow
Blame the West for never inventing anything similar to MMD.
Batman Batman Dance? Anyone?
vocal shard
if you want the website to see who blocked you
just dm me
"I don't want female avatars in my VRChat". Proceed to block 98% of VRC avatar population.
karmic bear
I see somebody walking round with an obnoxious amount of weird particles around them or weird distortion effects, block.
Someone playing a loud fucking song built into their AV, block.
A car or a tank, block.
You, block.
cyan raven
Why every time I join one of my friends I go to empty world instead (no people)
vocal shard
because they are huge
karmic bear
Because they take up a fucking shitload of space and generally get in t he way
ruby burrow
I'm normally actually very lenient on blocking, but that's partially because I dislike ever seeing the world differently to others. I don't want to be standing inside someone elses avatar without knowing they're there.
vocal shard
i'm leniant on blocking too
i usually block people that got obvious crash bullshit on them
karmic bear
Anybody who walks into the middle of a talking circle wearing a common avatar from a popular av world and proceeds to do a 30 second long dance routine and just insert themselves
vocal shard
or if they start to randomly use a global chromatic aberration shader for 1 second
karmic bear
block
ruby burrow
I'll also try warning first too, on the chance that they're just dense rather than malicious.
thick flare
my dance is 3 minutes min
vocal shard
most people are dumb and not malicious
karmic bear
On the flip side.
vocal shard
they want to show something funny or cool
karmic bear
I also unblock p often as well
vocal shard
without knowing that most people doesnt give a shit
thick flare
i only do it infront of a mirror when nobody is talking though
karmic bear
like often I will unblock somebody after 3-4 minutes to see if they're not being an annoying shitter anymore
ruby burrow
It is kinda funny though, when a knuckles walks into the room, and I'm the only person who can see them.
vocal shard
it's not hard to ask before doing something
karmic bear
and if they're not, great.
vocal shard
i dont block knuckles on sight
ruby burrow
And since I'm the only person they can see, they naturally come over to me and ask who I'm talking to.
vocal shard
i block them when they start clicking and saying those usual sentences
instant block
karmic bear
I drop a portal to the True Way
ruby burrow
It feels like I'm a spirit medium for the ghosts of a dumb meme.
karmic bear
they can't resist going through
ruby burrow
I refer to them as an endangered species. ( Though if they ever start to resurge a second culling isn't out of the question. )
ruby burrow
Same.
vocal shard
just don't try to bring the meme back
ruby burrow
They're harmless without their numbers.
vocal shard
i saw a group of knuckles
with high tier WoW equipment
all custom made
it was pretty nice
ruby burrow
It's also tragic and cute, when you meet a 10 yearold asking where all the other knuckles are. A little late to the party kid.
vocal shard
especially when a 10 year old isnt supposed to be playing the game
ruby burrow
Also, there's the occasional off shoot jokes that use them for great effect. Eg... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pghXW7CCMGg
vocal shard
some people are very creative
too bad they are scared of public most of the time
lmao
the classic kncukles inside the armor
olive iron
woah
vocal shard
olive iron
can't have my points going down
vocal shard
doesnt work like that
i know a dude that got blocked by 2.5k people
he can still upload
and is a trusted user
lmao
vocal shard
i'll give you one information on him
i'll let you guess the rest
His main avatar is adolf hitler
some people get offended by a model
so they just block
I mean I can understand why someone would be offended by Hitler
ruby burrow
Last time I saw a Hitler in person Zarniwoop dropped a moderation hammer on them. : |
vocal shard
kinda obvious why
wait
zarni is a mod in-game ?
wut
w h a t
It's german humor, it's no laughing matter
Do I need a 200 IQ for that joke
ruby burrow
Well he answered someone else's question about reporting with, "Nah I've got this..." went AFK for 30 seconds and the hitler guy disappeared by the time he got back.
That's all I know.
vocal shard
senior chat mods doesnt automatically = mods in-game
n o
You don’t need to explain I’m okay
he probably called someone else
ruby burrow
Ah, that could be it.
Some comment about having a "Fast line" or something was mentioned.
thick flare
yes you can
vocal shard
you should record yourself @cold saddle
you can get them banned instantly with a video evidence
ruby burrow
You can report that Honig, although without a recording that one is unlikely to go too far.
elder steeple
Does anyone know the requirements for each new rank?
vocal shard
All I read for the new beta thing - was just casually play the game and make friends to get the roles
ruby burrow
Five lamb sacrifices held in the Pug at midnight, multiplied by each rank level.
thick flare
you won't?
vocal shard
let's not get political here please
Could we also not talk about “school” shootings either?
elder steeple
How am I supposed to trust someone if there is no concrete requirement for a given rank
vocal shard
@elder steeple you don't
You trust no one.
it's called "trust" which is probably a big mistake to call it like that
elder steeple
Then what's the point of the system then
vocal shard
@elder steeple to prevent abuse andn let you decide which user rank you wanna see with all features enabled
i can only suggest this canny https://vrchat.canny.io/feature-requests/p/rename-the-trust-and-safety-system-to-something-less-implicit
so they at least use a less misleading name
Probably a way to show people’s dedication to the game but also a nice way to report spam and such
elder steeple
You could just tie hours to a person's account if you want experience to be conveyed
vocal shard
not a good idea
since you can just make a bunch of account and leave them afk to build trust
I would assume everyone would start at square one when it’s implemented
vocal shard
no
i don't want my 600 hours to be compared to a new pleb that made his account 5 minutes ago
cool, you have a bigger penis, you want a cookie with that
ruby burrow
The trust score is the exact same system that's already been used for upload rights for months.
vocal shard
It was just a prediction, figured it would be nice for everyone to start the same even if you played 600+ hours
ruby burrow
It's not new, only the additional ranks and filtering options applied to it.
vocal shard
i just noticed that "keks" is the same word for serbian
yep
if you aren't at least Veteran rank don't even talk to me!
I don't trust non-Veterans
basically private settings but everywhere lmao
when you are based but also redpilled
elder steeple
Nobody knows~
vocal shard
it seems you have to have uploaded a public world
nah
i got some veteran friends without any world uploaded
elder steeple
So avatars?
ruby needle
@vocal shard no
ruby needle
you dont need to upload anything
vocal shard
we got no information at all
ruby needle
wether or not it could help or speed things up is another story
but that is defnitely not known
ruby needle
Legendary users that have not done it?
vocal shard
the system is made secret for a reason
from my time today, all the Vets were people who had uploaded public worlds
well
funny enough
lucid island
I hate this new update, fix it, make it not suck, I got totally stiffed here t.kenji