@sonic verge there are good worlds that are large world sizes
#vrchat-general-2
true sky
rigid crescent
Why wouldn't I see it in VR if you ahve newcomer?
true sky
๐คท
vocal shard
that moment when people avoid you cause you aren't in their social level
quartz basin
That's what i mean with 3 ranks are more than enough.
rigid crescent
I saw a few newcomers today actually.
sonic verge
@true sky i totally agree, but some people are just too potato to even load it
ancient parcel
like sails said about 3 ranks are good enough or 4
rigid crescent
neat avatars, they helped me figure out that there were whitelisted shaders, and a green helped me test the gestures. So what?
dawn pecan
We already block people based on suspicious shaders
plain ridge
People won't be avoiding people outside of their social level. You will still be there in the room. You will be able to be there with the avatar. If they want to see your animations they can enable it.
vocal shard
But you cant confirm they wont
rigid crescent
So what?
vocal shard
Just like you cant confirm they will
dawn pecan
I like this system, because it makes you able to partly block people rather than fully blocking them
plain ridge
If they do then that's their own problem and they are at toxicity levels which benefit you with them being gone.
vocal shard
time to block ever user that isn't trusted :^)
true sky
@sonic verge running a potato and can walk around fine. Just downloading the world. Only way you would lag is if its an unoptimized map
quartz basin
The beauty of this game is seeing avatars from strangers but unfortunately you never know what kind of shaders they use. Now if you block shaders they will all revert to standard and just llok like plastic.
true sky
or poor performance
rigid crescent
Unless they're using a whitelsited one
vocal shard
VRChat so far has no notification for new users to tell them about the system and how to set it up
plain ridge
They can easily set those up.
true sky
^^
vocal shard
So people are going to go by default which renders me a heap of bones
rigid crescent
Off the top of my head, noenoe, cubed, xiexie and one more i think
true sky
flat lit toon or anime avatars will look like 
rigid crescent
"I wanna make new friends!" [Whitelist shader avatar] "I'm hanging out with my new friends that added me based on my personality!Now they can see my real avatar!"
dawn pecan
There's a whole blog post about how it works lol
umbral reef
Mic- You know plenty of peeps dont just want to make friends?
vocal shard
^
umbral reef
I like to show off my creations and joke with strangers
cerulean dust
I wonder if standard-specular is whitelisted.
vocal shard
@rigid crescent the levels you set are not based on friendship status
Maybe we wanna look around and discover
umbral reef
I dont want 99% of this dam userbase anywhere near me
vocal shard
Maybe we don't want to have strings attached
guys there is dip on my vrchat and the dip is called open beta
quartz basin
Oh please, hanging out with people based on their personality? Everyone just screams random nonsense into the microphone. The avatar actually gives them character.
rigid crescent
Some strangers may not be interested, so that's fine.
@vocal shard I'm saying if you want people to not see you STandard, just use a whitelsited one
quartz basin
It's all about the context.
warped thorn
Some people are too shy to make friends on VRChat.
vocal shard
i don't scream random nonsense i don't even have a mic
rigid crescent
What?...I've never added anyone I don't genuinely enjoy spending time with
true sky
@cerulean dust i think it would fall under standard shader, but idk how vrchat will work around with that ๐คท
vocal shard
How will you tell roleplay is roleplay?
or just not block peoples shaders :^)
You cant see the avatar
You cant tell
umbral reef
Just block anyone with an trust score higher then user :^)
plain ridge
So you basically just need to ask yourself. Are you going to have the system turned off/edited to most people display everything? If so then chances are other people will do that as well save for those who just don't want to see that.
rigid crescent
Once the amount of abusers dies down, then I'm sure the amount of permissions people allow strangers will rise.
umbral reef
They are part of the elite!
plain ridge
If they don't want to see it, then fine they shouldn't be forced to see it.
true sky
i think the best people in vrchat is when they join a world and block everyone then the whole room tries to kick that guy ๐
vocal shard
The stigma is still there
rigid crescent
THe numbero f abusers is why most people don't enjoy public worlds
raven silo
if people dont want see there not really friends
rigid crescent
What stigma?! You're acting like eveyone less that Orange will be blocked completely
quartz basin
Ok, first off, can we please classify what falls under the term "abuser"?
plain ridge
Friends bypass the settings completely.
quartz basin
I only count crash shaders to that, not people who say mean words.
vocal shard
People still assume shader = screenshake
rigid crescent
Screen shake, crashers, etc
rigid crescent
Based on?
vocal shard
Had a bunch of trusted users talk down on me because I was known
as i said, don't block shaders. if you block their animations chances are you wont need to block shaders
quartz basin
Glass the rice! Colour war now!
vocal shard
"Oh you only have 30 hours you dont understand"
plain ridge
Then those trusted are shit people. 
quartz basin
You silly green peasants can lick my boots for all I care!
rigid crescent
Then they're not good people to begin with, you saved yourself al ot of trouble
vocal shard
There was a vast majority of them js
austere meteor
How did vr chat go from 20,000 users in january to now just 5000 to 6000
plain ridge
The system will only bring out the people with elitist attitudes so you know who to avoid.
vocal shard
Cant ignore everyone
true sky
Crasher: Wanna see cool stuff
User: Oh Yes
Crasher: Accept FR
User: Done
Crasher: Crashes the user with something
I wonder how vrchat will handle that issue 
dawn pecan
It peaked because of the damn knuckles and then died out again
raven silo
@austere meteor pewdiepie
dawn pecan
And since it has been rising slowly
true sky
since everything will be on by default
umbral reef
@austere meteor Extreme exposure on YT and twitch from content creators, then trolls happened and the game as no real gameplay beside being social or avatars so users got also bored
and now this
vocal shard
@true sky simple unfriend and block will solve the issue
cerulean dust
@true sky , In that case you know exactly who's responsible.
cerulean dust
easy to send a report
rigid crescent
So basically, people are scared they'll be ostracized when that's really not that likely to happen.
true sky
or not accept the FR in the 1st place 
rigid crescent
Block animations, like Odds said.
twin jacinth
If you're stupid enough to accept a friend request with ''Wanna see something cool'' from a stranger :/
I can understand if you're young but man you usualy talk with someone before you add them
vocal shard
Steps onto open beta
dawn pecan
If you don't like it, you can just disable the system
vocal shard
Gets dissed
mighty galleon
i tell people im not going to add them because i dont know them enough and will likely forget them
vocal shard
Yeah totally wont happen
mighty galleon
but thats all the people who try to add me after one convo
quartz basin
"If you don't like it, don't play it" The most bullshit argument there is
rigid crescent
see look my evidence shows it can't happen
vocal shard
Its the reason why publiv worlds are cancer
true sky
@twin jacinth prime example of what malicious users will try to do
plain ridge
People are only going to do it because they think it will get a reaction. It's a nametag color. Just get over it.
rigid crescent
No one said don't play it, they said disable the system...
vocal shard
i mean some people genuinely might want to show you something cool, there are some shaders/animations only friends can see cause they utilize cameras
Which is an analogy of don't play it?
dawn pecan
I didn't say don't play it, just said that you can turn off the whole trust system for yourself
quartz basin
We already have discrimination in the game thanks to the colour, on day one.
This is going to be beautiful.
rigid crescent
lol discrimination
umbral reef
Can we start gangs on colours 
?!
thick flare
green gang
quartz basin
Colour war now!
thick flare
i am the leader
dawn pecan
You can't really demand that others shouldn't have power over what to show though
ancient parcel
but you are blue in this
vocal shard
amu habibi
quartz basin
hush! Discord doesn't matter
ancient parcel
traitor
quartz basin
Discord never mattered
vocal shard
I dont people flat out assuming shit on me just because I have a life and dont wanna rot in front of a pc all the time
true sky
Gets on hostile for being a knuckles avatar.
Oh wells.
livid abyss
Vrchat, Social experiment gone wrong, watch now
rigid crescent
The people who will have extremely strict blocking rulles most likely already had on block by default anyway
rigid crescent
So they already couldn't see you, at least now they can see more of you if they choose.
This is empowering everyone...
vocal shard
Nope
twin jacinth
True that but if you're aware of the problem that people might try to crash you, don't add randoms and the problem is solved.
vocal shard
Clearly disempoweing some of us mate
rigid crescent
In what way
ancient parcel
we already got crashers vs anti crashers going at it crashing each other, no need for another war
true sky
i see alot going to go wrong maybe with the system, but time will tell.
quartz basin
All I wanted was a feature to block avatars of each person individually, which you can now but everything else seems pointless and over the line?
vocal shard
Giving people tools to gatekeep based on vague standards
plain ridge
It's disempowering those who think they have a born right to be the center of attention because they uploaded an avatar.
vocal shard
Everyone trusted and above think they're entitled to something
lofty mesa
Hello
thick flare
hi
plain ridge
They're entitled to the right to choose what to see,.
ancient parcel
hi
rigid crescent
Do they? You've met them all? Because all the ones I've met, which was mostly Trusted and Veteran, were being really polite explaining the system to people
livid abyss
hi
thick flare
wanna join the green gang?
quartz basin
Swear to god if I log in and have a yellow tag I will be the most obnoxious cunt out there, declaring war on purple.
lofty mesa
How's everyone doing? ๐
rigid crescent
So which anecdotal evidence is correct?
vocal shard
So are we but we don't matter because we dont play enough
hazy frost
Does anybody know what the list of names under the old hub is for?
lofty mesa
Green gang?
raven silo
@quartz basin wht i did to you
rigid crescent
users there on new years eve, I heard
plain ridge
You are entitled to what you want to see as well. You can block or show whatever you want.
vocal shard
a game based on the freedom of creating your own content only to have it all blocked out by a social level, great concept ๐
plain ridge
Regardless of your tier.
quartz basin
You might become yellow next so we have to stop purple.
cerulean dust
Here's my two cents. Anyone from "known" and above should have everything on by default (in the normal).
As for the veteran tag, I have a hunch its gonna create a wee bit of elitism. Too early to say thou.
plain ridge
The tiers do not get anything other than different default settings.
quartz basin
I need to ensure the existence of the yellow people!
true sky
time to test beta out ๐คท
vocal shard
Like odds said
Just because we aren't as social as you are doesnt mean we are less of users
rigid crescent
If you're the first two levels odds are you didnt upload an avatar anyway
umbral reef
I actually wonder and its kinda off the old topic
Who here has dabbled with making avatars and animations themself in here?
rigid crescent
Because you probably literally couldn't do it.
vocal shard
Im known yet people already tell me I dont know shit and should fuck off left and right
How is that not gatekeeping
plain ridge
If people want to see your stuff, they will change their settings or whitelist you. If they don't want to see it then they don't have to. It's as simple as that.
raven silo
i wont doubt there be war happen because ranksl ol
rigid crescent
OK? and I had my Green on the whole time and people were nice to me, what's your point
quartz basin
There'll be blood on the devs hands for introducing ranks.
rigid crescent
they helped me figure out the system, the room was mostly yellows like I siad
vocal shard
whats the point of creating your own content if no one will ever see it owo
Providing tools to discriminate is never something good
rigid crescent
Where is this "No one" coming from?!
vocal shard
PEOPLE LIKE YOU
rigid crescent
LOL
plain ridge
The only people who won't see it will be those who don't want to see it. You are creating the content for those who want to see it.
umbral reef
@vocal shard We just gotta become an anime girl mute and stream infront of an mirror
rigid crescent
No one will EVER change the default settings?
vocal shard
HURR DURR I MEET PEOPLE ON PERSONALITY
lets not forget people theres a option to turn off their avatar completely
umbral reef
Ezpz highest rank and all the devs love then ๐
thick flare
when i mean no one, i actually mean people with the default settings
which is like majority of the people
vocal shard
HURR DURR SHUT OFF THE SYSTEM IDIOT
rigid crescent
W...what exactly are you mocking? Is meeting someone based on their personality bad?
thick flare
if anything, change the default setting and keep the system
quartz basin
OH NO! THE GREENY KNOWS! SHUT IT DOWN!
vocal shard
In a social game based on appearances yes
rigid crescent
Wait have you been trolling this whole time?
Because, once more for you, people will be able to see you.
vocal shard
Why introduce avatars if you're making it a glorified voice chat
plain ridge
At this point they must be trolling.
rigid crescent
How is it voice chat?! Are you actually kidding me
vocal shard
Block all avatars
rigid crescent
There are OPTIONS for people to CUSTOMIZE their USER SETTINGS with
quartz basin
You speak into a microphone. That by definition is voice chat?
vocal shard
Everyone is gray
rigid crescent
Why would I do that?
vocal shard
Because you can
vocal shard
@rigid crescent there is a option to turn of the persons voice and avatar completely if they are in a certain rank
The fact the tools can be abused heavily is the problem
rigid crescent
Abused? how?
quartz basin
But now you block them not due to their personality but due to her colour.
vocal shard
so if your a low rank chances are no1 will see or hear you
owo
People will use it to gatekeep based on ranks
rigid crescent
Ah, more hypotheticals
quartz basin
I can already see it #graylivesmatter
vocal shard
Its like "desktopper fuck off reee"
rigid crescent
Oh, Oranges? I had some good talks with them
quartz basin
And the people of light (yellow) reign supreme.
vocal shard
theg can disable your mic as well based on rank
rigid crescent
We were all learning how the systme worke together
vocal shard
Well good for you
rigid crescent
So you had a bad experience, therefore it's indicative of all experiences.
vocal shard
Have fun in your safe online network of gray avatars
rigid crescent
Why would I make avatars gray?
vocal shard
Hello, I am looking for someone special that doesn't care that I am actually green
ill give it a month and this system will be gone
That is all
quartz basin
And you had a good experience so that's an indicative?
rigid crescent
Nope, that's my point
umbral reef
@vocal shard Nah streamers love it so its gonna stay
languid compass
rigid crescent
Because the negatives are hypothetical, so far.
vocal shard
we'll see how the online user count is in a month owo
[Insert "I'm Blue" music video here]
quartz basin
Streamers pretty much made thise game popular so let them bask in the light of glory for now.
UNTIL WE GREEN WILL RISE AGAIN!
thick flare
i mean if it is rank-1 then i am certainly blue :<
vocal shard
The possibility of abuse is HUGE
thick flare
there goes my green gang
vocal shard
Compared to the goods
rigid crescent
It's definitely not huge.
true sky
tried beta and im already a veteran ๐ฎ
vocal shard
It definitely is
umbral reef
@quartz basin Plenty of the current streamers got bigg off the game instead of the other way around...
vocal shard
People are seemingly being ranked at random
umbral reef
And also plenty of streamers are a special kind of snowflakes
rigid crescent
Are they? Most of the ranks I saw were pretty spot on, oh look, more anecdotes
quartz basin
I don't really care about streamers anyway. All they do is spread their legs because it's funny?
rigid crescent
Let's keep em coming!
thick flare
spreading my leg tonight
vocal shard
But yes, I do not mind
If you accept me as green boi
You assumed all oranges are great because you met some of them
rigid crescent
My friend and I had more hours than another friend of lower rank, while my friend that was veteran had a popular world, lots of avatars, etc
vocal shard
That's just what I am
raven silo
most time purple user going help more then yellow lol
rigid crescent
I don't assume they're all great, I'm pointing out that neither of our experiences are indiciative of the whole
quartz basin
Get out of my discord you greeny boi! Reeeeee!
vocal shard
Stop calling us hypocrites when you're the biggest one around
rigid crescent
But it's going over your head
rigid crescent
Who called you a hypocrite?
quartz basin
Oh no, the greenies are rioting!
livid abyss
Alright alright im gonna say the words, Vrchat is dead
vocal shard
what were the requirements for the veteran role
thick flare
on a serious note, i think we should this system a try, but maybe tweak the default settings a lil bit
rigid crescent
I don't think you've said anything hypocritical, just wrong
vocal shard
To every argument we put you simply state that feature "doesnt matter"
Hey I saw a map that a user with a Japanese name made.. anyone know someone with a Japanese name?
Then what matters?
Its in Japanese
raven silo
@vocal shard be youtuber or streamer or made some help vrchat
rigid crescent
what? no I haven't.
quartz basin
Is it in japanese, though?
rigid crescent
I've explained that users who do not wnat to view certain content should not be forced to.
vocal shard
aight
quartz basin
I take North Korean over anything anyday
rigid crescent
There's a decent japanese userbase, so it could be anyone really
vocal shard
"You dont need custom shaders they can be abused"
"You dont need animations they can be abused"
"You dont need avatars displayed they can be abused"
rigid crescent
Ah, putting words in my mouth
"I personally should not be forced to view X thing if I don't want to." is what I've said
vocal shard
Let me scroll above to where you called everyone with a custom shader a screenshaker
vocal shard
Brb
rigid crescent
Go ahead, you'll be searching for a while.
quartz basin
Good luck finding a single message in this mess
thick flare
so you are not forced to see me
vocal shard
Itโs like the map name is like a escape map
rigid crescent
just search from: mic_sounders has: screen
versed hound
Can you not make the nameplates round???
vocal shard
True you've been running around the point for so long
Anyone know crowley_youtube discord I kinda need to ask him a question
versed hound
Looks so bad...
quartz basin
That is your complaint?!
rigid crescent
I really haven't been.
You're just upset you're wrong about what I said. I never said custom shaders are screenshakers.
want me to do the legwork for you?
vocal shard
I am kind of stuck on a part on a map...
rigid crescent
Sails asked what I considered an abuser, I said people who screenshake, crash, etc
vocal shard
" I should be forced to see your annoying shader, your annoying animation, your annoying X Y or Z"
rigid crescent
OK?
quartz basin
Shinku, I'm sure nobody here can help you. We're too busy waging our bets on the winner of the next colour war.
versed hound
I hope they will fix all the things they totally broke in the last patches...
rigid crescent
So what part of that sys "everyone with a custom shader is annoying"
vocal shard
Ah I understand
So everyone is annoying by default unless they have a "good personality"
thick flare
this
rigid crescent
No. No they're not. You're really reaching, you know that?
thick flare
the annoying part about this system is assuming people are guilty until proven
vocal shard
You said you meet people based on personalities alone
rigid crescent
I said I add people based on it, yeah.
vocal shard
You have them blocked until they are deemed fit to your standards
Good is subjective mate
rigid crescent
No, I don't have them blocked. In fact, I can find where I've said I'll only have shaders blocked.
But Odd pointed out animations are a better thing to block
so I'll be taking that route most likely.
vocal shard
Good personality is a subjective thing
quartz basin
Don't block the animations! They are so cute!
vocal shard
You can't judge people on a vague concept
quartz basin
Wait, do face meshes count as animation?
versed hound
Not wana be part of an argument have fun...
rigid crescent
Are you REALLY being serious right now?
Yes, you're correct, "good" is is subjective
livid abyss
ofc theyre not serious lol
rigid crescent
and I will add people to my friend's list based on how much I like them
vocal shard
Who asked you medic, really
thick flare
yes, we are not serious because we have different opinions!
rigid crescent
If I enjoy being around them, then of course I'll add them.
livid abyss
No
vocal shard
Yes but
livid abyss
German
quartz basin
Oh shit, close the bunkers!
vocal shard
Not everyone will think your personality is "good"
livid abyss
go hide urself ๐
rigid crescent
You're right, so they won't add you
No, Teito, it's not that his opinion is different, it's that he's been misquoting me and putting words in my mouth
vocal shard
I copied your messages tho
rigid crescent
you did, and nowhere did I call hem screenshakers
vocal shard
How is that misquoting
vocal shard
Ah resorting to ad hominem are we
rigid crescent
WhaT? You did lie...
thick flare
@rigid crescent that message is meant for medic
quartz basin
By now you're just flinging shit at each other. You really need to start all over again.
rigid crescent
You said I called them all screenshakers, I did not nor do I believe that. I've got a lot of friends with custom shaders, one even posted here.
vocal shard
Let's start over
You should never have a gatekeepy system in a social game
Discrimination based on ranks is not ok
Allowing people to do so unquestionably is not ok
livid abyss
ppl just want to show they have the biggest with their animations and shader
so they go to random ppl
LOOK HOW BIG MINE IS
vocal shard
Maybe my animations are required for my model to function
the individual avatar block is a very good thing
livid abyss
Otherwise they wouldnt care if no other ppl see it or not
vocal shard
Maybe I use generic
livid abyss
U should make avas for urself
vocal shard
the preset set to normal blocking is not
rigid crescent
The only gatekeeping going on is currently hypothetical and any evidence anecdotal. I should NEVER be forced to see your avatar or anything else I don't want to see ingame. If people want to see them ,they'll easily be able to see them.
quartz basin
I do have the biggest pan. Now no one will ever see it again.
livid abyss
So u see urself good
quartz basin
Sad!
thick flare
yes
livid abyss
Not for getting attention
rigid crescent
but I, personally, will be allowing everything but animations until i come across an issue.
quartz basin
This is the whole point people are doing avatars themselves, to get attention.
rigid crescent
Sorry, only be allowing animations not everything but
vocal shard
Like teito said i am ok with the system but the defaults are shit
rigid crescent
Animation, Avatar, Voice, Shader.
vocal shard
People aren't being told they can change shit
rigid crescent
They're not?
There wasn't an announcement on it that explains it?
there's not a custom button?
plain ridge
That's been addressed in chat and it's been said that could be an easy fix with tutorials or the loading messages.
vocal shard
By the time they've made it up the learning curve it'll be too late
Haha
Everyone is in the vrchat discord I forgot
rigid crescent
Question, have you launched the beta?
covert chasm
There's a giant blog post that I wrote that explains it completely, even with a 60FPS WEBM showing it off. ๐ค
quartz basin
Based Tupper
vocal shard
Its not like you guys require a phone verification system
rigid crescent
Before I even waste any more time, have you launched the beta?
vocal shard
Yes
rigid crescent
OK, good. That makes things easier.
vocal shard
I was disgusted
vocal shard
More like GATEKEEPING
rigid crescent
Try to change a setting? It says "HIT CUSTOM TO CHANGE SETTINGS" in all caps
vocal shard
No matter how much you tell me its ok for me
covert chasm
The key that a lot of people are skipping over is that you don't get to say "I want you to see my avatar and you don't get a choice"
vocal shard
I can tell it's not
rigid crescent
No no, address the point.
Tell me why no one will be able to find these settings.
covert chasm
People can and should be allowed to control what they see
vocal shard
Because most people dont log on to the system menu?
thick flare
yes, tupper, but the default is actually very discouraging
vocal shard
Most people dont have discord linked to their phones?
plain ridge
They go to the system menu to log out.
quartz basin
Yes, that's fine and all but why ranks?
rigid crescent
No one logs on to the systme menu? The hell?
Hit Social, Avatar, Settings, or Worlds and oh look, what's this extra option that has'nt been there for MONTHS?
it's even in the hand menu
thick flare
by having this system alone, you are giving the users to filter out what they want/don't want to see, which is good
quartz basin
Where do I even see that blogpost from Tupper?
thick flare
but making most of the things disabled as default?
rigid crescent
are you telling me there's SOOOOO many people who will NEVER see these options that it's an issue? SEriously?
vocal shard
@covert chasm i lost and i wasnt very happy.
dawn pecan
Defaults are always discouraging, the "personal space" option too. Users are just assumed to be weak and stupid by default, it's standard software/game design
rigid crescent
No one will notice an extra bar of text staring them in the face?
vocal shard
got baited by an admin
People to this date don't know you need to wait to upload avatars
vocal shard
umbral reef
@rigid crescent Dude
quartz basin
Ayy, thanks alot
umbral reef
Hang out for an day in this discord
vocal shard
Now accept me as green boi
quartz basin
Oi! I've already seen this one.
vocal shard
๐
quartz basin
GREENIES GET OUT!
umbral reef
And i can tell you will first one person a day ATLEAST asking when they can upload avatars or how
vocal shard
also Tupper, if you made the blog post then good job, it's very clear and easy to understand
dawn pecan
They will find out sooner or later, because somebody will tell them in VRChat
ornate cobalt
oldscrool vrchat blob:https://imgur.com/44e5fe2c-3dcb-4c8d-84b7-e18cc9d5ea80
rigid crescent
How do they not know that they have to wait if they get a message that they have to wait...
dawn pecan
Most people modify the SDK, so there must be some communication going on right
covert chasm
@vocal shard Thanks! I spent a lot of time on it. We have more documentation coming in various forms. A FAQ and some videos are the ideal goal.
ornate cobalt
vocal shard
We still have a fair number of people not knowing what everyone thinks is normal
umbral reef
@rigid crescent Not native english speakers? We get the question "do i have to play in unity or VRC" also an insane amount
vocal shard
will we get a list of white listed shaders or there isnt anything certain yet ?
umbral reef
I got no idea why myself but it still happens
vocal shard
because i would like to adapt my avatars so most people will see them with a correct shader
plain ridge
People will always have questions.
vocal shard
MMD models doesnt look too pretty with standard shader
Just because you can navigate it well doesn't mean everyone can
covert chasm
No guarantees but we'll probably end up documenting it
rigid crescent
I really don't think they're the majority. There's LITERALLY a button on the top right of the screen
dawn pecan
How is shader whitelist done? Is it by hash value or can I just name my shader "default.shader"?
covert chasm
@rigid crescent Don't forget about the loading screens
plain ridge
When we were still getting used to making avatars back in the day, we had to say to leave upper chest blank so often they finally just put it in the header of avatars.
vocal shard
Well then why not teach them about it?
covert chasm
there's new loading screen tips for all parts of the safety system
plain ridge
People will ask the same questions.
vocal shard
Yo Tupper, are you from NA or EU?
covert chasm
i live in alert nunavut
quartz basin
What?
vocal shard
Will you mention that system in the tips tupper?
covert chasm
๐
vocal shard
Roger that
rigid crescent
If you somehow magically miss a button on your screen, you may have some kidn of impaired vision, which isn't your fault
umbral reef
Its still an large amount of users...
Im (way to) active in here and i help and see an large amount of these users
Same goes for other VRC related discords..
rigid crescent
but there's ways to fix that. glasses, contacts, even corrective surgery.
vocal shard
Glasses person here and I can assure you its still a mess with them
rigid crescent
"But what if they don't see the button!" is a flimsy excuse
vocal shard
People play vrchat differently than you
umbral reef
It might be that you get flooded with so much things in one go when you try to make an avatar for the first time that you read over these things-
It has been proven that if the explanations are super short they are usefull or if they are extremely detailed
rigid crescent
I'm legally blind without mine, and I can assure you that it's plain as day.
plain ridge
It's also a problem with people not accepting the answer of "Play the game as normal" and constantly coming back to complain they can't upload yet.
grand zealot
๐
umbral reef
Im fully blind on one eye- I know the strugels lmao
vocal shard
@dawn pecan i can only guess at this point, but i guess that the white listed shader will make a cross-reference with your uploaded shaders
Some people dont even look at the system tab
umbral reef
I see like 2a3% with my left eye
vocal shard
and if they are the exact same then they will be allowed
rigid crescent
come on dude, just give it up already
Your excuse is "What if they don't see the button!?"
dawn pecan
Sounds a bit performance-heavy
covert chasm
People ask why they can't upload pretty often-- despite the SDK having a detailed message when you try to upload why you can't upload yet, a link to a FAQ, a link to our help Knowledgebase, and a link to this Discord. But they still ask!
quartz basin
Just allow cubic shader since 99% of avatars use them.
vocal shard
I'm really excited about testing the new UI in VR (Currently on desktop only ๐ข )
umbral reef
Because they often dont?
rigid crescent
I think cubic is allowed
covert chasm
The best you can do is inform users as much as possible and let them run with it.
plain ridge
This is day 1 of an open beta for the system. Give it a month. If there are still users having trouble finding a simple button then we can cross that bridge.
rigid crescent
Cubic, Xiexie, Noenoe, and one more
dawn pecan
Especially since these shaders are compiled to megabyte files by Unity, at least they look like that in the cache
quartz basin
If it's allowed, I'm a happy man, now just allow custom animations where you just summon a harmless object.
I don't want my pan to be blocked.
vocal shard
@covert chasm yo Tupper, you know that website, people aren't supposed to talk about it but there isnt any rule talking about it, can we have one for it ?
quartz basin
You know, that website
covert chasm
oh a rule
vocal shard
yes
dawn pecan
There's two cubeds. The one everyone downloaded ages ago, and a newer, updated one with transparency
covert chasm
eh, why not
umbral reef
The website that promotes illegal things within VRC ๐
vocal shard
Not when you keep assuming everyone plays like you
quartz basin
Oh? What's that?
vocal shard
every time someone mention it, everyone is saying "don't mention that website" but there isnt any rule against it
cerulean dust
rule xx: you are not allowed to talk about the site which must not be named.
vocal shard
yeah i understand, but thanks for considering it
dawn pecan
But... You're the strongest Admin
vocal shard
@cerulean dust they have a rule to not talk about the mmd4mecanim plugin
i don't see why not
you want to mute one of the most used content website ? ^^'
quartz basin
He's hunting gay frogs, Tupper is literally Alex Jones.
vocal shard
it's not like the website is a secret one
cerulean dust
Ah, true that.
dawn pecan
I think "Don't mention or otherwise advertise unofficial sites which host rule-breaking content" is better
vocal shard
Sails, you're not supposed to shout truth like that!
quartz basin
Oh no!
vocal shard
@vocal shard the most used content website is hosting paid content, stolen asset, ripped models and rule breaking models
so yeah
they need to mute it
ohh yeah ok, I never used it so ok :/
dawn pecan
Stuff in the water is Actually affecting frogs sexuality, why not make fun of the other crazy stuff that he says instead of the one correct one?
vocal shard
@vocal shard Rules : 13. No discussion of piracy, game ripping, or links to pirated/ripped content
quartz basin
Oh, you mean about reptilians?
vocal shard
and that website have a lot of those
quartz basin
Oh right, that is also true.
dawn pecan
I guess 13 pretty much covers it
vocal shard
i still think a specific rule or a precision about that website would be better
covert chasm
listing specific things to not talk about isn't really scalable. i'm a fan of more generalized rules
like caffeine's
that's worded pretty well
vocal shard
mmd4mecanim got a special treatment tho
covert chasm
we have the mmd4mechanim rule but honestly that's super out of date. compared to CATS it is a pretty awful tool at this point ๐
vocal shard
Usually when making too specific rules, rulelist tends to become too huge
yeah it is
umbral reef
Daily Hotox love spam? ๐
plain ridge
Based CATs 
vocal shard
i guess i can refer to rule 13 when people ask why to not talk about it
I personally like when rules are basically "use your common sense" with some extra stuff
quartz basin
I blender all my stuff in Unity
vocal shard
@ocean bramble โค
covert chasm
same, but i couldn't convince higher ups to let me put the only rule as "don't be a dick"
raven silo
@vocal shard big problem with it make twice more material
vocal shard
plain ridge
"Rule 1: What would Tupper do?"
vocal shard
You need to convince them harder
covert chasm
i run a few other discords and i always include that rule
just like
don't be a jerk
it isn't hard
quartz basin
"Don't be a dick" is really vague. Is someone a dick who holds a different opinion?
vocal shard
apparently it is
It's the best rule after all
seeing more and more people being random dicks
cerulean dust
Off topic question, why do I see a lot of people with (send ...somthing...) in their names?
Is it a new meme in the discord?
covert chasm
you can have completely polar opinions to someone else and not be a jerk
thick flare
send custom avatars
ocean bramble
โค
umbral reef
Tupper! This is 2k18, having diffrent opinions is illegal!
dawn pecan
"Like caffeines" senpai noticed me
cerulean dust
did anyone send you shaders?
covert chasm
im helping
quartz basin
@umbral reef Not even joking. In some countries it is actually illegal to hold a different opinion.
Wrong-think is a term which actually exists.
twin jacinth
be sensible while arguing
don't throw out insults because a person has a different opinion :P
umbral reef
But i got my break 
dawn pecan
Liking a specific ideology in Germany, disliking feminism in Canada, saying mean words while filming adult content in England
vocal shard
Tupper your the best btw ๐
quartz basin
You won't get a higher rank by doing that.
dawn pecan
Tupper is great
vocal shard
lol
dawn pecan
Every other admin hid themselves away
vocal shard
No i just see how people hate on tupper
But hes a really nice person
yeah tupper is really cool แตแถฆแตแต แตแต หกแตแตแตโฟแตแตสณสธ สณแตหกแต โฟแตสท
Just wanted to spread love
cerulean dust
headpats Tupper
dawn pecan
Tupper isn't afraid to chat and show that he's the strongest, and that he's a weeb
plain ridge
Tupper was Avatar Tutorial Daddy
vocal shard
im ok with Veteran ๐ค
quartz basin
Oh wow, look at all these Tupper fangirls. You should totally open a fanclub.
vocal shard
i personally like when Tupper is creating some blog post or videos
they are very well made, straight to the point and very easy to understand with the graphs
covert chasm
also i'm certainly not the best but i appreciate the sentiment โค
oops wait wrong emote
there we go
vocal shard
I'm going to open Tupper hate club, join me. It's called BAKA BAKA
covert chasm
covert chasm
nice
vocal shard
My goal is to reach over 10 members by 2019.
quartz basin
Mara, you've just been promoted to a visitor.
vocal shard
In a way, this game wouldn't be this big and with such content without your work Tupper (tutorials, support, ...)
plain ridge
covert chasm
i've been blamed for the anime epidemic
vocal shard
what
covert chasm
plain ridge
Pfft anime epidemic back when we had like 90 users online at a time
quartz basin
What's the anime epidemic?
covert chasm
because of my original mmd to vrchat tutorials
cerulean dust
What?
Animu is the best part about VRChat.
olive oriole
Tupper is a weeb, you heard it here first
vocal shard
the hell
dawn pecan
I think you can blame the fact that 98% of online avatars are anime style
mighty galleon
not enough male avatars!
vocal shard
not your fault that MMD models are easy to use and usually well made
Weebs? In my VRChat?
quartz basin
Like, we don't have an anime epidemic, we have a god damn Kemono Friends epidemic.
covert chasm
before that video came out, there was no documented process to import MMDs
quartz basin
And I like it!
olive oriole
Lol
cold talon
sudden nacelle
several people are typing
twin jacinth
LuL
You don't see admins often in chat/game but i do like vrpill
vrpill arranged a meeting with people and he seemed like a generaly down to earth chill guy
was a good meeting
vocal shard
welcome toVRAnime
olive oriole
I also demand more male avatars, what gives Tupper? Are you against males?
sudden nacelle
Anime chat
plain ridge
MMD is super easy to convert. Then you have XNA which has gotten easier with things like CATs so a bit more option
olive oriole
covert chasm
pill is an extremely chill dude
dawn pecan
Is .fbx MMD or are the two seperated? Cats does so much for me now that I don't even know what kind of avatars that I'm importing, just that they work
plain ridge
Then you have the people bringing in source models who are just doing it wrong.
mighty galleon
i only have male avatars lol
vocal shard
male MMD models are garbage tbh
covert chasm
he's just got a tough job, but does an absolutely obnoxious amount of work
quartz basin
Why playing a male avatar in a virtual world.
olive oriole
@mighty galleon Same
vocal shard
I heard lot of good things on Tupper/VRPIll (said by khefh) ^^
cold talon
Tupper uses write
Its super effective!
vocal shard
Would appreciate some company
quartz basin
For gods sake you can be anything you want and you choose to be the same thing you are in real life.
vocal shard
if you look on youtube you can find some early video of vrchat with VRPill playing the game normally
dude is just cool and fun to hang with
mighty galleon
just exspensive b/c i save up money to pay people to make my avatars b/c they're oc's xD
dawn pecan
I'll keep in mind Tupper
olive oriole
Same gender = same thing? LOL
plain ridge
It was my greatest accomplishment getting into a vrpill video
thick flare
except i am not as attractive as my male avatar
i want to become a fuckboi in virtual world
olive oriole
I guess all guys are the same rip
quartz basin
Yes, it's 2018, genders don't exist, we're all things.
sudden nacelle
Lmao
dawn pecan
I've heard that some admins are a bit too ban-happy and strict, but I will take your word for pill being cool
thick flare
๐ค
plain ridge
The only right model to use is the miko ooka model.
sudden nacelle
Wolfboi all the way
vocal shard
or kanna
olive oriole
Which would be cooler if 99% were not females
cerulean dust
Ugandan Knuckles is where it is at.
sudden nacelle
Btw, anyone up for some serioud ybot / xbot ERP?
dawn pecan
Be original, use some obscure loli avatar from a Japanese hentai game and see how many Japanese people recognize it
plain ridge
I mean I made a giant baby model and ran around the japanese shrine map
plain ridge
had them all running after me shouting godzilla
dawn pecan
If you haven't seen people have sex in vrchat you probably haven't played very long
sudden nacelle
No Anime! 
olive oriole
lol
vocal shard
twin jacinth
if you erp please do it in private lobbies
jesus >.<
dawn pecan
It usually is
vocal shard
but please, go in private
mighty galleon
i'd like to learn model making for i wont have to spend so much money on models but at the same times im like "but not learning blender is a lot less work"
quartz basin
ERPers get the nose. ๐ค
vocal shard
I saw a man sucking off barney the dinosaur in the hub the first day I came on
livid abyss
hahaha
quartz basin
@vocal shard And this made you stay in VRchat?
plain ridge
Also don't invite people to your world. I've randomly requested off of friends only to come into some pretty MonkaS stuff <_>
vocal shard
Well
olive oriole
We need ERP cops in VRchat
vocal shard
I liked my model and the orgy was fun
Before I got VR, I primarily used this Snufkin model I found from some avatar world. https://i.imgur.com/xbXdPVa.jpg
To watch
olive oriole
No, to hit people
vocal shard
omg mara
dawn pecan
When I started out, I ran into a pepe as the first avatar, 30 seconds in. Then a loli with a open shirt 50 seconds in
vocal shard
i remember that model
so many people used it
No I mean it was fun to watch
and now i dont see it anywhere
olive oriole
lol
vocal shard
Police brutality will add more realism
You sure?
yeah
I've never seen anyone else use that
Maybe I'm blind
it doesnt exist anymore
twin jacinth
First thing i ran into playing vrc was 10-15 japanese people talking in the old hub
Aah it was great
vocal shard
i saw it almost daily some months ago
quartz basin
Dude, the FBI is observing this discord channel. You really want to shut down VRchat, don't you?
vocal shard
It does exist
been a long time since i saw one really
It is in the dungeon avatar world
dawn pecan
The loli army world is public now
grand zealot
Male mmds are garbage? Lmao, you're just looking in the wrong places.
dawn pecan
It's no longer a secret club. Lots of good avatars too (no custom emotes, but still), yet nobody uses them
vocal shard
"FBI OPEN UP-"
"wait she's over 18 years old..."
FBI exits house
dawn pecan
FBI should mind their own business
vocal shard
That would be the NSA
dawn pecan
Them too
limpid token
Oof failed to connect to vrchat
dawn pecan
No willing Kanna is safe from my licking gesture
vocal shard
how to prevent jail
step 1 : draw a kid
step 2 : make her naked
step 3 : say that she is over 18
mighty galleon
i've only one more model to save money for to get made and then im good lol
vocal shard
good job
Im not even American and i know how they work
FBI knocks down your door
NSA tells them which door
i have more
how to draw a trap
step 1 : draw a girl
step 2 : call it a boy
CIA comes later to clean up and repair the door
Rinse and repeat
mighty galleon
when do the newsreporters come into play?
olive oriole
lol traps are literally girls with.. extra parts
plain ridge
Or are girls traps with missing parts?
vocal shard
Newsreporters film the broken door
plain ridge
And with that i'll be heading off to bed.
dawn pecan
If anyone wants to arrest somebody for drawings, they don't deserve power in the first place
olive oriole
lol
mighty galleon
no no rin
shy nest
๐ lets not have this conversation in general
dawn pecan
Hey rin, are you "Rin!" in game?
mighty galleon
news reporters are the "omg they hit the door! police brutality! the door did nothing wrong, lets protest and riot!"
dawn pecan
Fair enough, nvm then
vocal shard
I'm Turbosaur ingame
vocal shard
I just wish for custom animators
olive oriole
Cops are the original traps, they are criminals in disguise
vocal shard
Eat people as dinosaurs
olive oriole
vocal shard
jumps out of bush
notices ur a meal
owo whats this
dawn pecan
Can we go back to the previous conversation?
mighty galleon
what one was that
olive oriole
Which was?
vocal shard
...traps?
olive oriole
Which kind of traps?
vocal shard
FBI?
dawn pecan
I think every person had their own conversation going on
olive oriole
lol
vocal shard
Yeah let's start a new topic
robust juniper
I think you just summed up this whole server
mighty galleon
canabalism?
sudden nacelle
Yo is dat fiji
robust juniper
Yeh
vocal shard
Did you know paleontologists were able to define a new species of sauropods in China, known as Lingwulong shenqi, and it is called the Amazing Dragon?
olive oriole
sudden nacelle
calm jay
So how about that packers vikings tie the other day. ;)
olive oriole
lol
mighty galleon
lets us be civil and chat about why most men in vrchat like being women
and traps
olive oriole
Um, why do you think MOST want to BE women?
vocal shard
I'm a woman and think voice changers really suck
livid abyss
U play women character in mmos ?
sudden nacelle
Bcus they all beta male gheis
mighty galleon
nope medic
sudden nacelle
YBot is where its at
mighty galleon
i only play male in every game
vocal shard
Guys like staring at ass while they play
olive oriole
Most straight guys WANT to be ABLE to touch them, and it wont be easier than using a model, and touching yourself
cerulean dust
Its gay to be in another man's body. So I play with a female avatar.
olive oriole
Not talking about it in a lewd way, just lol
vocal shard
Wow, potato woke af
mighty galleon
my models are based off people from my nightmares soooo they're in me all the time?
vocal shard
Tbh sean
sudden nacelle
Yikes
vocal shard
I don't know why they do it and dont want to
mighty galleon
i just find it weird
vocal shard
Just want people to stop assuming im a guy
dawn pecan
I should make a world based on a nightmare
olive oriole
To be fair, the more males that use female avatars, the more female avatars there will be for you to watch and interact with
mighty galleon
specially when they use voice changers and try to hit on guys and then say they're straight
calm jay
Sometimes a man just needs to cope with the mental abuse society has done to him. Lol.
safe prism
str8 btw
olive oriole
Rin, are you a guy?
calm jay
It manifests in weird ways.
olive oriole
I am not assuming, I asked lol
sudden nacelle
This convo is dumb, im out this ๐ ฑ
calm jay
Ur mom
olive oriole
lol
robust juniper
My avatars are all Fiji water based
royal pond
There is no such thing as str8 in vrc
dawn pecan
As I see it: Do whatever you want and enjoy yourself while minimizing how much you irritate or disgust others
mighty galleon
rin, my friends complain about that so much b/c so many guys dont believe they're girls
and then the men bug them
olive oriole
Guys are the best girls because they know what guys truly want, but I am still not sure why some guys actually pretend to be girls
livid abyss
i have female avas because they look good
olive oriole
lol
dawn pecan
I have a female avatar because I don't wanna look at a guy all the time
calm jay
Sometimes figuratively.
dawn pecan
Also, I want to look cute
olive oriole
Don't forget that there are a LOT of young people in VRchat, which might explain the cringy jokes, and the lewdness
dawn pecan
Yeah that's a morph on mmda models
calm jay
A vizime? Lol
mighty galleon
i think ima just stay as my nightmare models
calm jay
When you talk its your butt hole that stretches.
dawn pecan
I probably know 10 guys in their 20s who have sex in this game
mighty galleon
they're human and my main a lot of people love
shy nest
dawn pecan
Yeah, you have to delete it if you download models from a specific site lol
vocal shard
"have sex in this game"
thick flare
i usually use male in mmo, vrchat is an exception
vocal shard
how does that even work
olive oriole
You mean ERP? @dawn pecan
mighty galleon
i think they dry hump destroy
olive oriole
Oh, yikes
dawn pecan
Do stuff irl while they're lying on eachother in game I guess
thick flare
because female avatar looks better in dance animation
mighty galleon
phantom feelings and all
dawn pecan
Hey, if it works for them..
olive oriole
lol that's a new one
calm jay
Okay so this convo is getting too "normie" for me... ugh...
Im gonna go play witcher. ๐
mighty galleon
have fun zen
vocal shard
bunch of weirdos
shy nest
normie game 
vocal shard
Destroy I'm a girl but people keep thinking im a little boy
Or a guy with a voice changer
mighty galleon
its ok rin, just ignore them
shy nest
thats good rin
thick flare
you are with voice changer, i heard you fucked up
sudden nacelle
@vocal shard why is that important tho
vocal shard
I get labeled a "squeaker" a lot
olive oriole
Oh, I am sorry to hear that, but considering how many traps there are, can you blame them?
shy nest
for vrchat you learn to assume everyone is a dude
vocal shard
And autobanned often
shy nest
even the females
sudden nacelle
And the younglings
cerulean dust
use a voice changer to sound like a girl then.
mighty galleon
what i say when they ask my friends if they're girls is "no thats a boy with a really high voice, and im a girl with a very deep voice"
vocal shard
Dont want it to limit my rank
olive oriole
Banned for your voice? Now that is lame
vocal shard
People are lame
olive oriole
Are you not people?
mighty galleon
no
vocal shard
That's why the rank is a bad idea
olive oriole
quartz basin
Humanity has failed. Best example is VRchat.
olive oriole
lol
mighty galleon
btw rin, may i ask what your pic is?
thick flare
yes, girls get a lot of harassment compared to the male players
quartz basin
This
thick flare
but i hate it when i enter a room, the center of the attention is always a female player
sudden nacelle
Wait, if you are a people you cant be a woman
mighty galleon
i remember back when if a single girl went into a room all and i mean ALL the men rushed to them and crouded them
thick flare
#gender equality
sudden nacelle
inner cape
sudden nacelle
Inb4 banned
olive oriole
lol
inner cape
Wamen are overrated
olive oriole
I think I cracked the code
mighty galleon
hi ghosto
livid abyss
Ghosto
quartz basin
Men make better woman, anyway. We just need artificial wombs and we're golden. ๐
olive oriole
Men know they get no attention, cuz we all know guys suck, so they pretend to be girls for the privilege
livid abyss
sudden nacelle
inner cape
sudden nacelle
Except yes
olive oriole
If men make better women, do women make better men?
quartz basin
Woman are better in what exactly?
vocal shard
:-: make gpus less expensive in norway please
quartz basin
Mind you I'm a feminist. I treat woman equally to a man.
olive oriole
I don't know, I asked first
mighty galleon
looks and stuff sails
quartz basin
So you mean woman are just different, not better.
olive oriole
I am not a feminist, yet I do the same thing as you
mighty galleon
well you say men make better women
olive oriole
Funny how that works
mighty galleon
im saying woman make better woman
thick flare
as a male , i find it hard to treat a woman equally
quartz basin
What makes a woman a woman? Being a constant nagging cunt?
Yeah, I rather be gay, then.
vocal shard
lets be honest. Genders are pointless
thick flare
i hate that white knight part of me
vocal shard
Don't assume everyone is a guy and ban "squeakers" on that principle
mighty galleon
i rarely have a nagging one
vocal shard
we only need anime
olive oriole
No no, men make better women only means, that men make better women FOR guys, not literally
inner cape
Dont need a special title to be nice, whats with all the pride in being a feminist
mighty galleon
i'd rather be straight
livid abyss
Eris for President
olive oriole
lol
quartz basin
Well, you sound like a cuck who lives in the shed.
mighty galleon
how lol
vocal shard
If you autoban you really have no place in a game
inner cape
Whomst?
vocal shard
OfFenSiVe
olive oriole
lol
vocal shard
why cant we all just be one big faction instead of being many factions :-:
mighty galleon
monopoly eric
quartz basin
That's fascism, though.
inner cape
The Triggering. Milo destroys snowflake libtards #3 VRCD edition
mighty galleon
eris*
thick flare
ah, we will find a new way to differentiate each other
vocal shard
almost called u a homosexual
quartz basin
LONG LIVE THE GLORIOUS VETERAN EMPIRE!
vocal shard
sorry
quartz basin
DEATH TO ALL PURPLE PEASANTS!
mighty galleon
its fine, i noticed my mistake after i sent
inner cape
Ikr
vocal shard
#TEAMGREEN