i don't believe that hardware can't run w7 for a second, but i would easily believe software would mess things up
#vrchat-general-2
safe prism
leaden kiln
someone wrote a workaround to disable the check and updates work fine
so ms is just conning people
safe prism
have you considered at least trying recent windows, seeing if it solves anything :x
leaden kiln
the problem with reporting logs and people not saying anything here about crashing isn't that it's only happening to a few people, it's that people have given up saying anything about it because it's a waste of time for them
raven mango
that sucks you have to keep downloading the world
leaden kiln
I have, but not yet
raven mango
at least it's a good social game
safe prism
i mean i want to figure your problem out more than anything atm
leaden kiln
the bsods I'm getting are on top of a dozen regular game crashes per night, and it's the same for everyone I know
leaden kiln
and they're getting blue sreens too
safe prism
figuring out a single problematic install and finding parallels is how you fix it for everyone
:x
leaden kiln
yeah, problem is it's happening on such a wide range of hardware
safe prism
but is it on a wide range of software :x
leaden kiln
a couple of my friends have worse setups than mine, at least one has a $5k machine with an 8800k, dual titans, and 64gb of ram
he crashes less, but still crashes
safe prism
if every one of your friends is on w7, none of this would surprise me
leaden kiln
most of them are running 10
safe prism
mm
leaden kiln
I think one is running linux, however that works
safe prism
i mean it's weird that it's localized to just people you know though
leaden kiln
it's not, I know a LOT of people
leaden kiln
do they just not say anything about it?
safe prism
no, they literally don't have problems and play without issue
leaden kiln
I really don't believe that
safe prism
i have exactly one friend with the issue and i've tried helping her through it
leaden kiln
are most of them in vr?
leaden kiln
now I know that's not true, Full body is glitched as hell as always has been
safe prism
unless you're grouping any problem into every friend you have has an issue
leaden kiln
I said crashes in general on top of bsods
everybody is crashing all the time
sometimes they get a bsod, I'm getting them more often
safe prism
you didn't really specify
leaden kiln
it's a bigger problem for me because I like to record everything and a bsod destroys my video
safe prism
and i mean sure, this game crashes. i do see that a lot but i'd more say everyone i know shrugs it off because it's just kinda how the game is :x it's not really consistent with my friends
leaden kiln
that's what I'm saying
safe prism
why not be that specific
leaden kiln
I come here and get bashed with people claiming nobody is crashing because nobody says anything here about it.
because people have given up saying anything about it
safe prism
you've been framing it almost always as BSODs are the problem
leaden kiln
but only recently
the regular bsods just started after the last coupld updates for me
before that it was once in a while
regular crashes are just part of the game
you play vrchat, you crash a lot
that's how it's always been
it got a lot better for a while though, now it's gotten worse
safe prism
personally, i don't. but.. i couldn't tell you why.
cyan cloak
me either
safe prism
i have steamvr do dumb shit before vrchat usually
leaden kiln
I've been finding certain worlds that crash me every time I join
I had to disable steamvr
the lobby part of it anyway
I'd just like the game to actually close when it crashes
that might fix the bsod problem. Cause when the display driver crashes and restarts, the game is still sitting there doing whatever crashes the driver and crashes it again, and again and three times = bsod
and I know it's infuriating when you do everything right and it still breaks
I did like 2 or 3 hours of work on my avatar yesterday, saved regularly, went to check the visemes before putting it into unity and it eploded into spikes
all ruined, no idea why
languid mural
My avatars won't even load anymore 🤷
trail stirrup
can i pay to remove the ads in the loading screen thanks
subtle prawn
I want my space travel loading screen back!
rancid mortar
Why shouldn't we include pictures or video when reporting bad behavior with the reporting form? people can't get banned without proof, right?
trail stirrup
can i pay to remove the useless tips then
which will probably in time become paid ads
lofty ivy
@rancid mortar It's just like roblox, you report they don't check ig
rancid mortar
?
chrome grotto
Have a wonderful Thursday! You all got this! 
umbral reef
Also have a wonderful day Shana 
shell raft
Is there a Dark Souls VRChat discord server?
vocal shard
umbral reef
Well it can make it worse 
That is for sure
And if your lucky im sure it can help out
spare moon
A clapper tried to kicked me but failed and i followed him and laughed in his face as i told everyone to block him
Lol
tacit plank
Fish oil, vitamin D and exercise might, Reece
mighty galleon
<.<
umbral reef
For proper depression? It might help but it wont get rid of it
And exercising once you got into the slur of 'How to ruin your life' doenst help then
fast bronze
my addiction to blender and unity helped with my depression XD
vocal shard
VRChat gave me friends
Then depression when the game became too demanding for my laptop to handle
And lost all said friends
tacit plank
It might not get rid of it, but helping is good too, right? Especially for the vitamins which only take 2 minutes out of your day to attempt
placid zealot
If your looking for friends, yes. Therapy? Probably not.
mighty galleon
best done in a invite only world
vocal shard
Was gonna say a private world
But the definition of that was very skewed with the new nanny tips
Legit tho if I slide the devs $200 on patreon will they take those off
umbral reef
Most of getting out of the depresion feeling can be solved by doing 'anything' active
Playing VRgames and being social should work
But if you have depression (Feeling depressed =/= having depression) you just need to seek an doctor really...
fast bronze
unless youre an introvert XD
umbral reef
And rin you can support the devs by buying products
vocal shard
Buying what? etch tee see veve?
Or does vrchat have mtx im not aware of 
I just want the old galaxy screen back
indigo fern
same ;-;
vocal shard
This one looks like a mobile mmorpg's loading screen
vocal shard
Devs went downhill since they got shareholders
Passion has been drained in favor of popularity
umbral reef
They would have to own the accessories what can turn expensive (or non profit turning) fast
vocal shard
Now they're advocating for kids playing vrchat
Or so imply the new nanny tips
That every adult vrchatter at least knows about or have heard of
fast bronze
13+ is the age range
they cant go past that
and
you cant legally upload a character under 18
vocal shard
Wanna know what else was called 13+?
should be 16+ or 18+
Mobile apps rated 3+
Legit have a screenshot of it
And ever since devs are treating it like a mobile game
Better be safe than sorry
fast bronze
yes but you can lose your account if you arent 13+
fast bronze
reports and mod follow ups
vocal shard
Most people block squeakers not report them
fast bronze
anyway
vocal shard
And some adults have young voices
raven silo
yea people just block
fast bronze
the better joke here is you cant upload a character under 18
raven silo
i block anything it scream
vocal shard
Didn't you see the video of a kid playing vrc and his mother cussing out everyone in the room?
Devs want more of those people because they'll line HTC's deep pockets
fast bronze
see and that theres a video means theres proof for banning
vocal shard
Game quality?
fast bronze
report it
vocal shard
What game quality?
You think they listen through on reports like this?
Ive had a lot of people report me for being underage
fast bronze
rin can you stop whining
fast bronze
have you uploaded a character
vocal shard
Plenty
fast bronze
then you can have your unity accont deleted
vocal shard
Why so?
fast bronze
against terms
vocal shard
Im over 13
raven silo
fast bronze
unity states you cant have an account under 18
raven silo
not all kids are bad
vocal shard
My birthday is in a few months
Go ahead
Knock yourself out
The time it actually goes in ill be overage
umbral reef
Do you guys even know why those are ratings are a thing?
fast bronze
doesnt matter
umbral reef
Its the same why websites aimed at childen under 13+ have to force you to 'ask permisions from your parents'
umbral reef
and why youtube made an app 13+ and below 13 even before the drama happened
fast bronze
im just sick of children whining when something in a game they play isnt to their liking
vocal shard
Who had those rules made for them
It's not just my liking
EVERYONE hates the new updates
fast bronze
i dont
raven silo
most kids just make 18 year account
fast bronze
cause i dont care
raven silo
if they know how to do it
vocal shard
Just ask how many people want the old loading screen back
fast bronze
i play the game as a creator
umbral reef
Ow no the game is ruined because they changed an art thing
fast bronze
doesnt matter what the loading screen is
vocal shard
Are you telling me this constant big brother attitude is nice?
umbral reef
unplayable
vocal shard
Alright then
vocal shard
When the game becomes so family friendly you can't swear in risk of your account being banned
umbral reef
You can list a game that is polished as fck- Gives you more freedom then VRC currently does ?
vocal shard
Ill be seeing you somewhere else
raven silo
i bet half you were under age 13 were make account just play somthing lol
raven silo
when you were a kid
fast bronze
i know what hes on about
umbral reef
Rin- Im fairly sure they wont go that onto the game
fast bronze
the few little sections on the loading screen making him read sections from the TOS that he was already agreeing to but now is faced with daily in load screens
vocal shard
What makes you so sure?
fast bronze
bro they didnt change it
umbral reef
Owww that 😂
fast bronze
you just have to see it now
umbral reef
Lmao the rules have always been the same
vocal shard
I know
fast bronze
so stfu
vocal shard
Since when were friends+ public tho
umbral reef
Since any friend can join?
umbral reef
And since always
vocal shard
if you hate the game just because of the new loading screen then you are dumb and need to stop playing the game
umbral reef
Just as an fyi
fast bronze
and thats #6
vocal shard
I just feel theyre trying so hard to be youtube
fast bronze
im done feeding the troll
floral aspen
but... literally nothing has changed though
vocal shard
Making everything "streamer friendly" "family friendly"
floral aspen
These aren't new rules
vocal shard
Why would they shove it in our faces then
The rules haven't changed, but now we get flooded with comments how the devs changed the rules. Imo, that makes this screen worth it if that many people didn't even know what the rules were and it took a screen flashing in there face to get it
floral aspen
^
raven silo
them rules been here for while
vocal shard
Why would they tell us that over and over
raven silo
just no every listen to them
floral aspen
Because people are dumb and don't listen or read
umbral reef
I think there is an big diffrence between so toxic people make special groups that vet there users so they can find new users without having the risk of being harrased daily
and kid friendly
vocal shard
Its a thin line many corporations were willing to cross
just close your eyes if you don't wanna see the new loading screen
Vrchat is backed by a corporation
vocal shard
Every time someone goes about making stuff more "suitable for children" it becomes a contest over how much to censor
Look at tumblr's safe mode
Look at twitter's sensitive content
raven silo
actally vrchat become less censor after more people come
vocal shard
Vrchat want's to secure their financial future? Oh no! They should just give free reign to do what anyone wants, and let it die as just another little Indi game
fast bronze
wow i looked away and now my screen is covered with blocked messages
raven silo
they use hurry up block image and video
vocal shard
Thanks for the block person I barely know
raven silo
on mmd show to much skin
vocal shard
Shows how easily impressionable you are
umbral reef
Tumble is an safespace-
Twitter is the high spotlight and still an toxicpool, They dont go extreme with there limits- they are just not clear enough to most poeple
vocal shard
Nobody said let everyone do the stuff they want
floral aspen
VRC isn't trying to be child friendly though, they just don't want NSFW content in public worlds. Which is what most social platforms do
vocal shard
Just no pestering
No annoying reminders
I was fine with the posters in the hub
At least they felt natural
umbral reef
And rin again- Can you list ANY game that handels things better then VRC then while also giving as much power and freedom towards users?
vocal shard
Nobody read them in the hub though.
rapid heath
what posters?
floral aspen
without the reminders no one would know. Do you know how many people come in here daily asking dumb questions about easily accessible info like how to report someone, how to create an avatar, how long until they can upload, etc.? Tons and tons of people
vocal shard
I dunno, any game that isnt slowly mutating into a living marketing scheme?
raven silo
it make better if they have text to speech on them
vocal shard
After this update. People came in talking about not modifying the SDK. And how Changing the poly limit is now against tos
raven silo
so it read to them lol
umbral reef
So you can not list any game?
raven silo
with tupper voice lol
vocal shard
Let them do more stuff for the actual game than repeating stupid laws that decent users would read
Like the IK
Or the desktop animations
umbral reef
Yea like the devs are one machine that can not do more then one thing at the same time
vocal shard
They used a default mixamo prone rifle for on
umbral reef
Thats imposible!
vocal shard
Doesn excuse using somebody else's default animation
And jabbing many together like some asset flip
raven silo
all the default emote are mixamo
raven silo
mixamo let you use that stuff
vocal shard
If so ignore everything I just said because im wrong
floral aspen
Anyone can use mixamo animations. They are free to use
vocal shard
Did vrchat as a game and as developers ask?
floral aspen
you don't have to ask for freely available animations
vocal shard
Usually free stuff are for noncommercial use
floral aspen
usually being the key word. Did you read the ToS or user agreement for mixamo? Or are you making assumptions?
primal heart
Oof
vocal shard
Having a game where it is illegal to modify anything sure implies that they have some legal control on them
vrchat doesnt make any profit from their animation tho
raven silo
if you think that way then all Unity chain should be remove from vrchat
vocal shard
so still irrelevant
raven silo
that unity model lol
umbral reef
How would they make money then?
vocal shard
Why did you think they added a payment section in their tos?
umbral reef
Because if you have an good idea im sure the devs would love to hear it 😂
vocal shard
if they will make money form mixamo's animations, they will probably ask before
I dunno
pretty sure they have a legal team
The shareholders?
floral aspen
Because they want people to be able to sell their creations in VRChat.
umbral reef
Because its basic rules to make an ToS as broad as you can so you dont have to pay again and agian to update it 
Look at any website that is new
vocal shard
Which means it wasn't a prethought out thing
raven silo
TOS only made to protect company . they dont need do anything on there TOS
vocal shard
I was replying to " Because its basic rules to make an ToS as broad as you can so you dont have to pay again and agian to update it GWcfcThonk "
Which is kind of the opposite of what you state
umbral reef
So they fixed it once and made it better- What i said still applies
vocal shard
Better?
I wonder how made it better will become once VRC begins selling features of the game
When you thought itd allow a player market
floral aspen
VRC will always be free
umbral reef
Rin- Your judging the game for If's so far
vocal shard
Wel
umbral reef
So i dont see why we are in gods sake are having this convo
vocal shard
I havent seen much improvement the last year
fast bronze
id pay a monthly sub for world scripting access
floral aspen
what's wrong with free to play in a social game. There's no game to play or objective to win. You're just hanging out with your friends. If you want to spend money on some cool stuff for your avatar, so what?
vocal shard
The poly limit is still there
umbral reef
Id suggesting reading the update log then
Things have changed
floral aspen
bro, the game isn't finished.
vocal shard
they need to update to the newest version of unity to use more core, which is not easy
floral aspen
of course stuff is still broken
vocal shard
Things nobody asked for
and the IK is currently being reworked
Did we ask for the newest update to break world chairs?
Dont remember
floral aspen
no one asks for bugs
fast bronze
and this is why folks you dont feed the trolls
vocal shard
We asked for optimization
forest salmon
Just to interject, why is this convo happening again?
fast bronze
cause people keep letting it go
vocal shard
floral aspen
You're sounding really fucking entitled right now
vocal shard
Nope
Because hackspanner said we cant
because a 17 year old dude think he knows how to run a free game better than a whole team
fast bronze
^
forest salmon
^
vocal shard
A dude who made a game before
good job
you want a fucking medal
On the playstation one
floral aspen
hackspanner didn't say we can't, just that we can't right now, because they don't want to support an exploit
vocal shard
Youre telling me a unity game is harder?
Its unity
The engine with the worst rep in the entire market
fast bronze
lmfao
forest salmon
rin please for the love of god just stop making a fool out of yourself
vocal shard
It lets people upload stock assets as games
fast bronze
i think its time someone shuts up
floral aspen
Because I'm sure you know all about the supposed difficulty or lack there of, of developing a game
vocal shard
Why dont you actually make a point instead of repeatedly mocking my age
forest salmon
with all due respect rin why are you keeping up this conversation
floral aspen
lol r u srs? Coding in notepad doesn't make you look like a good programmer, it makes you look dumb
fast bronze
did i say you were a vrchat script kiddie
vocal shard
Also that was when visual studio was a paid service
vocal shard
Youd expect someone on a 2004 pc to play with visual studio
forest salmon
well there is still eclipse
floral aspen
visual studio isn't that demanding. You must have had a really shitty pc if you couldn't run it
forest salmon
you know what I'm just not gonna bother anymore
vocal shard
Just dont say you never thought itd happen when it does
floral aspen
lol okay, whatever you say dude
fast bronze
so anyone here know of any good events
i see alot in the events channel
but ive never been to any
anyone here ever attend
umbral reef
No easy eu events 
fast bronze
lol
floral aspen
no, I don't go to many official events. Usually private ones with my friends
I used to go to the dev meetups and townhall events but those don't really happen anymore
fast bronze
i see
raven silo
actally you can make programming in notepad but i best use notepad++ for better scripting
floral aspen
Didn't say you couldn't Jazneo, but there really isn't a reason to
Especially if you're going to arbitrarily impose that handicap on yourself and make it sound like it's an accomplishment for writing what was probably a very simple program
raven silo
notepad can do basic coding very first code on window
i bet somone with skill programming can figure way advance code in notepad lol
but that a challenge to them
floral aspen
sure, it's not impossible to write a complex program in notepad, but again I don't see the point
There's so many other good text editors out there, like the notepad++ you mentioned
that one even has an add-on so you can compile c# code from within the editor
umbral reef
Honestly making something in notepad that's complex is like playing those dark souls games with an instrument or other non controller
There is no point
It just proves your good and it's a nice meme
vocal shard
how much hours i need to play to have the permission to upload a skin?
thorny leaf
I love vr chat
rapid heath
is that the famous twitch streamer Vigors? subscribe
thorny leaf
thank you so much
rapid heath
love your stuff :3
raven silo
@vocal shard it can take up to 40 hour but need keep playing and make new friends
no afk
fast bronze
take the time to learn what your doing
vocal shard
i need to make those hours on the vrchat account or i can make them on thesteam account?
ruby needle
Becoming verified by the trust system is based on reaching a not time based trust score, which's exact algorithm is unknown to prevent exploitation.
You presumably need to play the game in a normal manner with your VRChat account, walking around, meeting people and also making some friends. Idling won't help.
According to many responses in this discord, a rough estimate would be ** 20-40 hours**, but big exceptions are possible.
Make sure you are not using a steam account because those can not be verified and continue playing the game until you get a notification or e-mail.
http://help.vrchat.com/knowledge_base/topics/why-cant-i-upload-avatars-or-worlds-yet
vocal shard
thx for the help
distant juniper
its been like a day plz, still no upload rights xd
hushed isle
I could upload 'cuz i got the mail, but i need time to learn more about 3D modelling and rigging... I think i make an avatar from myself 😂
karmic talon
meanwhile i'm pretty sure i got upload rights after about 20 hours?
didn't really pay attention to that
raven silo
they send email
hushed isle
@river star thanks, i think i need it
safe belfry
cant seem to upload avis with over 20k polygons, is this new (?) idek anymore
vocal shard
we were not supposed to upload over 20k ploys anyway. if you did, then you were modifying the sdk
which was against tos
halcyon ingot
or you have a good grasp on animations
vocal shard
how do people not know what 20k was the limit, when it always restricted you? were models from sites coming pre loaded with a bypass for the poly limit?
floral aspen
people were probably downloading modified sdk's from the site which will not be named
halcyon ingot
People know the limit, unless they've always used an sdk with it removed
vocal shard
it is easy to upload over 20k anyway
raven silo
it allway been 19,999
vocal shard
yeah it's easy, not the point i'm trying to make though
just disable your armature by default, put an animation on your avatar, turn your amature on in the animation
halcyon ingot
like I said, good grasp on animations
ruby needle
^and maybe and it does not alwas have to be updated 60 times a second 
raven silo
bypass thing dont fix problem just make it worst fps
raven silo
yea if let everything bypass in vrchat easly soon later Vr user be 1 fps with 30 unopitmize pc desktop user
there way to tell your unoptimized in vrchat. and moderation can pinned point it to
halcyon ingot
What we need are sensible limits
ruby needle
and a way of auto enforcement that is not the SDK
like the clients denying to load those models
halcyon ingot
Would have issues with backwards compatability
ruby needle
not really
still lark
People will just enable skinned mesh renderers with an animation.
halcyon ingot
totally not potentially exploitable
raven silo
make sdk scan for mesh render disable
ruby needle
@still lark some definitely
but not all
plus depending on how you implement it, you can include those
raven silo
sdk just need more security. they need programmer know all about security
vocal shard
honestly
vocal shard
i mean they can already see what avatars we have and how many polys they are
raven silo
yea they need programmer for that though lol
vocal shard
its just their choice currently to not do anything against it because modifying the sdk is too easy i imagine
raven silo
what vrchat has lack of security
vocal shard
when it gets actual security (and they hopefully bump up the polygon limit) they'll definitely start cracking down on people with high poly models
but high poly model<>modified sdk
how are they going to handle that?
they can already see on their backend that we're uploading high polygon models, but as i said they're just not choosing to do anything about it rn
undone belfry
Doesn't the current system have security checks on edited sdk .dll files?
raven silo
in avatar testing room there a flash light can tell you how much ploygon and material on a model
vocal shard
wait that tells you now?
raven silo
just look at the person with the flash light lol
vocal shard
does that give you the number?
raven silo
no
vocal shard
then it doesnt tell you smh
raven silo
just can tell by how many ploygonm
ruby needle
not really
ivory folio
have fun counting to 100k
vocal shard
lets assume they can see how many poly we have
ruby needle
you dont need to count to tell that its way over then moons
vocal shard
they can
vocal shard
but if i uploaded it without modifying the sdk, it is not against the rule, how are they going to differentiate between modified sdk and legit overpoly upload just by looking the poly count alone?
idk
thats for them to figure out not us
ruby needle
and how exactly does a legit upload work?
when the sdk has always normaly prevented it?
vocal shard
disable your armature by default
add a legacy animation which enable it on your avatar
raven silo
byass limit 20k not high banned rate. hack client is
vocal shard
i dont think anyone has been banned for a modified SDK yet
ruby needle
there have been banns
raven silo
they more focus on hack client user then somone bypass 20k
ruby needle
high poly ones are extremely rare
vocal shard
so from the sdk, i am actually uploading a 0 poly avatar, while my true avatar have around 30k
the only people ive seen who have over 100k polys on their models are people who claim they're apart of gangs
ruby needle
giant's or abusive loud audio i's getting banned from time to time
vocal shard
i forget that audio has a limit cause im used to polys being the main one people talk about
the audio thing is definitely the most annoying
raven silo
big banned are, NSFW, loud annoying sound, being racist
vocal shard
audio limit can be bypassed easily too
though i am sure it is now against the rule to abuse it
spice patrol
Anyone know how I can add an idle animation to a unity model?
ivory folio
is there a rule that says you can't have loud audio?
umbral reef
Bypassing those things has always been against the rules
vocal shard
yes
umbral reef
Moons the basic rule is
Don't be a cunt/asshole/jerk
ivory folio
you don't need to modify the sdk to do it though
ruby needle
doesnt matter
vocal shard
it is an easy way to be a cunt
ruby needle
https://vrchat.com/legal §9
bypass any security or other features of the Service designed to control how the Service is used, harvest, or mine User Content from the Service, or otherwise access or use the Service in a manner inconsistent with individual human usage;
doesn't matter in what way you bypass it
you bypass it
periode
😄
vocal shard
why do you feel the need to spam the whole room with your gangsta music anyway
umbral reef
I got a really bad taste in music
But i also had two neat parents and other people in my life that learned me really fast and at a young age-
Dont be annoying towards strangers and dont do things you dont want to happen to you.
And its far from hard to not get reported if you kinda do that
undone belfry
I used to hate that back in december, world range music playing.
tidal aspen
edgy glen
fast bronze
you are likely watching people with modded sdks
vocal shard
let me test this
vocal shard
you're an all star
vocal shard
umbral reef
Downloading from that website where its untiy and upload is downloading modded SDK's c:
Dont use that toxic, game ruining website
Since years
vocal shard
^
fast bronze
^
umbral reef
Yellow warning = Above 10K
Red warning that blocks the upload = 20K
fast bronze
if you get models from someone that are packaged with the sdk be sure its unmodified, or safer yet delete it and install the newest sdk
umbral reef
@river star I honestly try to bring up the shady things from /that/ website as much as i can
And it would be imo an honest mistake if someone got it from there
@fast bronze Better- dont use the website
fast bronze
the only way you can upload over 20k is modding the sdk
oh i just meant i know some commissioners who pack the resources including their sdk
and some mod the sdk
versed hound
Cool, so one of my friends who I was waiting for a long time got removed after one of the cancer patches and I dont know who it was cus with that name there's ten users...
fast bronze
shouldnt need it
vocal shard
how was i rude?
umbral reef
@versed hound Checked on the website yet?
vocal shard
high and mighty?.... i think we got lost in translation here through text
umbral reef
@fast bronze You can dm them to me 👌 They will totally be processed and be taken care of
fast bronze
i just love how people dont realize its their own fault for being offended XD
rough pulsar
I think Oclac was referring to logging into vrchat's site to search for the user Luna's looking for.
fast bronze
didnt read the name
umbral reef
As gallium said- Maybe that it does show up there and just got an loading error within the game
God who knows and its worth an try
versed hound
My depression got worse cus that friend was keeping my soul in me and now he's gone... Q_Q
So I should try the browser thingy???
Alright...
rough pulsar
https://vrchat.com/home
Go there, login, put their username (or what you remember of it) in the search. It should pick them up.
umbral reef
Man my music taste is turning worse and worse the more work i have to do
fast bronze
i have the same issue oclac
umbral reef
Im legit turning into the Raw beat- Yellingish rap with insane fast flows and aggressive vibes
Sad its so hard to listen to music while in vr 
rough pulsar
I've found Steam's music player to be decent enough, and can be used through big picture mode/VR
versed hound
Didn't work...
vocal shard
his wow and facepalm is against those videos which claimed that over 20k is legal
umbral reef
Wait- What how
versed hound
I'm really depressed now...
magic grove
vocal shard
i actually forgot what i facepalmed to. but that would be more what i would react to. i always try to be respectful of others and not directly insult them. i was actually surprised that there were tutorials claiming you can bypass the limit. that was complete news to me
umbral reef
@fast bronze Aaaannnnddd thats mine now
fast bronze
accccchhhtually
umbral reef
Even if he posted it to make fun of me id joink it
vocal shard
just zoom in 4head
vocal shard
just get a zoom shader, ez pz
fast bronze
pffffffffft
umbral reef
umbral reef
Also its taking a lot from me to not post the report for this
vocal shard
lmao
vocal shard
oh yeah
fast bronze
XD
vocal shard
i was there
the 17 year old super genius that made a game for PS1 and know how to run a whole company and game better than a whole team
fast bronze
yea that one
umbral reef
Also making games in notepad isnt as dope as making an game in excel 😎
raven silo
How to make a Snake Game in Notepad! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_X_Z0mjirrU
vocal shard
lol. i was lurking during that convo
fast bronze
was so bad
vocal shard
i was half lurking half making fun of the stupid stuff he said
fast bronze
i saw XD
tacit plank
"How to make"
"Copy paste this code"
I knew a 1 minute coding tutorial seemed optimistic, lol
raven silo
@tacit plank here other game in notepad https://community.spiceworks.com/scripts/show/2360-pokemon-game-in-batch
tacit plank
Amazing, it's entirely "If", "set", "goto" and "echo" 😛
raven silo
text base pokemon game lol
fast bronze
weeeeeewwwww trash
tacit plank
Does anyone know where to find a Himiko Toga avatar with the mask on?
ruby burrow
I once made a game in Powerpoint. :v
Was a mix between a maze game and a steady hand game, where the mouse cursor was the player.
tacit plank
Why not learn a proper programming language? You definitely have the spirit for it if you'd do anything in powerpoint
raven silo
i made hangman in powerpoint
ruby burrow
Worked around using mouse over triggers, that would prevent you passing over walls etc. A few levels had roving badguys and other little things, like a sliding "bridge" that you had to stay on.
tacit plank
Powerpoint makes me want to play hangman in German with myself as the man
ruby burrow
Hah.
raven silo
if you know how use hyperlink in powerpoint make alot stuff lol
ruby burrow
I made the first version for the hell of it back in highschool, but dug it up later for this short business IT course, where we needed to do a presentation in powerpoint as the final exam.
I tilted my presentation, "Unorthodox Uses of Powerpoint", and added stuff explaining how it worked. Was pretty funny how the tutor was amazed by it.
raven silo
i did for science class they told use to make game what we learn in science class lol
that when i was 7th grade
that 18 year ago lol
coarse anchor
Its so hard to Socialize in world now, noone seems to talk
umbral reef
I once just made an 20 minute powerpoint full of animations for everything, with video's and all, even with time triggers on one page
Just to spite the other students so they could not copy anything
vocal shard
Is it possible to do day/night cycles in a world?
I'd love to have a world that has the sun rise and set
vocal shard
Too bad we can't just adjust the lighting
raven silo
you can make personal panel for your world to do that
adjust the light
but time day and night cycles need be done with animation for now
coarse anchor
untile Playmaker™ drops
raven silo
playmaker is cancel they went with there own visual script system call udon
mostly like wont see anything for other year lol
coarse anchor
Their own Script System, what could possibly go wrong
icy path
what could possibly go wrong...
coarse anchor
''Due to a Bug whit the new Script Mirrors have been breached by hackers, we disabled Mirrors temporarly''
raven silo
lol that kill vrchat
coarse anchor
I think if Mirrors get removed for a while the game will actualy die
raven silo
mirror people will leave vrchat but might be good thing lol
coarse anchor
i mean it would also increase performance
ive seen mirror cutting my framerate in half
raven silo
yea better perfomance world
grand thistle
you need mirrors tho if you are making a new moddel and need to test it in game
coarse anchor
But you dont need Mirrors that cant be turned off
i bet TGP only crashes on my due to the one mirror in the room
wich you cant turn off
raven silo
long time ago were able put mirror on your avatar lol
till they found people were able to lol
grand thistle
some mirrors are realy bad compared to others the not high quality mirrors are way nicer
coarse anchor
Honestly, i dont even know what crashes me in VRChat anywy, ever since the Friendlist update its running like garbage
and they refused to look trough my Crashreports
Just because my CPU is below the recommended, but befor any of those updates there hasnt been any problems
grand thistle
what gpu do you have?
undone belfry
When i just realized the model i'm working on has 42 materials. Kill me now.
coarse anchor
GTX 1080
raven silo
what your CPU?
coarse anchor
i7-2600
raven silo
i5 and amd fx 8350 work in vrchat
grand thistle
even if your cpu is below recomaneded it its just a cpu that has one core at 3 ghz
raven silo
i7 fast enough
grand thistle
it doesn't realy matter how old your cpu is the specs matter
coarse anchor
But the Support refuse to look trough my Crahs reports and ditched my Ticket
tacit plank
Don't get shit I7s though
Ghz is all that matters for VRChat
Also the date it came out I guess, newer ones tend to run better
coarse anchor
ofc they tend to run better
grand thistle
it's like an newer i5 maybe some old i7's but still the i7 that are old are a bit better
coarse anchor
but it used to work befor
grand thistle
vrchat only uses 1 core so i guess look at controll pannel
tacit plank
There are shit tier i7's too
coarse anchor
you mean the cache`
coarse anchor
Yea done that
grand thistle
there are crapy i7 but most are good for sure if they are desktop chips
in the laptop chips the laptop i7 have so many weird things some are just i5 from the specs
raven silo
if somone can run vrchat on window 7 low cpu should be able to lol
i see some people run vrchat low cpu lol
and low window
grand thistle
windows 7 used to run games realy good the vs windows 10
raven silo
i mean xp lol
grand thistle
the game has just gone down in fps
if you compare old vids vs new vids you can see the fps difference
grand thistle
it started going worse when cameras were added
coarse anchor
some of it is cuz of terrible optimized worlds
raven silo
avatar is problem for fps drops
because no one want optimized avatar
they want to look cool but take fact there cool look stuff can cause issue
coarse anchor
Rather, do the Stuff that fixyed the game first
and then add Quality of Life stuff or cool features
small wing
Why did they add avatar worlds and the worlds list into the social and avatar section? It doesn't even belong there and now i need to lag more when im caching al the stupid thumbnails in my social tab.. 😠
If i wanted to go to a world i would click the TAB that says world
im angry.
grand thistle
the thing is they can do a lot of fixes but it just takes realy long as one thing that can help everything is going to a new version of unity that has better support
small wing
(╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻
floral flaxBOT
┬──┬ ノ( ゜-゜ノ) There you go
grand thistle
but that takes a few months
coarse anchor
but its still frustarting if they drop your crashdump just because your CPU is a bit out of date
grand thistle
if they go to a newer version of unity they can have better cpu support
not limited to one core
which is old limited to one core
most games realeased 8 years ago could use 2 or more
now most games can use 4
coarse anchor
That would be great
Honestly i love my i7-2600, its a great CPU for its time and still holds up really great
might not as good as a 6k but still
grand thistle
it's something most people want but it will take a lot of time
if you have the i7 2600k it would be as good as 6gen i5
but the k versions no one uses almost
coarse anchor
yea the K would be greta
grand thistle
it's just overclockable to 4ghs or more
coarse anchor
Could possibly get it up to 4.5 ghz if i win the Silicon lottery
grand thistle
but your motherboard is most likly not overclockable
grand thistle
then it's a good idea to get an K chip
ruby burrow
I've got an old i5-2500k. I should really finally look into overclocking it, now that a game finally needs it.
coarse anchor
but when i get a K chip, i might jump from Sandy Bridge to Ivy Bridge and get a 3000 k version
umbral reef
@fast bronze 
https://i.imgur.com/5GOdBgP.png Took the idea but used an diffrent form as its easier ingame
grand thistle
the old k chips are realy worth it for cheap and good chips
coarse anchor
I like that Ivy Bridge uses the same Socket as the Sandy
grand thistle
and everything that uses ddr3 you can have a good cpu lots of ram and the new features you can have using pci expres
coarse anchor
Old CPU's arent as bad as people say
well Unless you have a true First get i7-900 series
but even those are able to go into VR
grand thistle
if you have a first gen i7 just get an xeon
and if you have an overclockable motherboard they should be as good as newer chips
coarse anchor
Ill sty whit my 2600 for a little while longer, i can use Oculus on it wich is fine imo
idle elm
oof, I know someone in VRC with one of those first gen i7s
coarse anchor
Yeathe 900 Series
ruby needle
the 2600 is a nice one and still capable in normal sittuations but it definitely is old and by FAR outperformed
tho
the temps are 
thanks to em beeing made before intel had a brillient idea how to save more money while selling for the same price
floral aspen
could def use an upgrade. About to be on the 9th generation at the beginning of next year
quiet prawn
Nice
coarse anchor
hh i can play Doom 2016 and GTA V whit it
aslong as it can play Current gen games whit more than 90 fps im fine
ruby needle
im on my second 2600k tho, as i had to replace it due to the memory controller slowly starting to fail end of last year.
which was very strange 
coarse anchor
Well it lived its life
that mine is 8 years into daily usage and is still working is a suprise by me
well i didnt OC it at all as its a non k
ruby needle
yeah, it had a really long runtime
no oc on it too
did it with my replacement tho
but nothing fancy,
multiplier to 4ghz
still slow
coarse anchor
Its still like 0.5 more than Original Clockspeed
ruby needle
anyway.
coarse anchor
as i said, once my 2600 burns out i just get a Ivy bridge
dull mountain
I'm happy that the progress of the character I'm making is going Xtra gud
umbral reef
We request an progress photo! 
umbral reef
Then we will request one as soon as you are on your pc! 
dull mountain
I need to finish texturing 8 parts, rigging and texturing some parts with some animated textures
The unity part is going to be a bit of an unknow path for me.
tacit plank
I just ran the Unity profiler and changed from a merged to an unmerged mesh, the tris went up by about 60%, and it changed from 4 to 28 drawcalls.
CPU time almost doubled
ruby needle
👌 thats why you gotta optimize
ruby needle
cus they break all the time
tacit plank
But shipping sucks
hushed isle
I watched a vid on YT about Vive pro
Not worth to buy as a standalone
It's about 1000$ and you get only the headset
ruby needle
it's not reallytargeted for the consumer market anyway
hushed isle
But whatever... I can't afford even the Vive
dull mountain
I wait for the next oculus
ruby needle
hell yeah
vocal shard
yeah, the vive pro isn't worth it at that price
dull mountain
I feel like the (normal) vive is over cost
hushed isle
I hope that oculus is workin' on the screen door effect too
vocal shard
id say the normal vive is fairly priced for the tech... but i'd still recommend the rift for the touch controllers
hushed isle
I tried a cardboard vr last year but it was terrible... I could see every led
ruby needle
the vive's replacement parts tho
vocal shard
well, yeah. cardboard. lol
ruby needle
if you would buy every part of the original bundle as a replacement
you could buy 2 vives
vocal shard
tru
ruby needle
that... is not how math works
hushed isle
I maybe just need the trackers from Vive
vocal shard
vive trackers, rift controllers 👌
hushed isle
And rift headset 😉
vocal shard
sure
hushed isle
1 week ago i saw a player in VRC, his nick was Parzival... I smiled for about 5 mins
dull mountain
Vr on a samsung s9 shouldnt be that bad
hushed isle
I need first a new phone... I think i buy a Huawei Mate 10 or somethin' similar from that Firm
dull mountain
I have the s9
vocal shard
the s9 resolution is higher than the rift and vive. similar to wmr. but it would need the right holder with good lenses.
ruby needle
vr on a smartphone 😄
hushed isle
DIY headset 😉
ruby needle
more like delay crapset
dull mountain
I could of get the s9 edge
vocal shard
any phone vr iv tried had a really small fov
ruby needle
insted of buying a s9 you could buy a smartphone for a sane price
and get a real HMD
¯_(ツ)_/¯
hushed isle
Try P20
ruby needle
that's ridiculus 😄
hushed isle
But 1 thing's sure a smarphone does not have eye trackers
dull mountain
its supposed to be 1000
ruby needle
i will never understand why people spend so much money on smartphones
umbral reef
If you need a new phone get a one plus
hushed isle
I will never understand why smartphones are priced so high
dull mountain
I got it for more than 50% the actual price
tacit plank
I wonder if it's allowed to make a 100100100 cube around myself in VRChat. Just to make sure that everybodies avatars don't have to calculate shadows anymore
umbral reef
@hushed isle Super advanced tech in a super small space
ruby needle
got a xiaomi redmi 5, great phone, great price
dull mountain
ye
hushed isle
Is that chinese too?
dull mountain
everything is chinese
ruby needle
mosty things yes
tacit plank
Phones are garbage
hushed isle
I write from a phone 😄
ruby needle
Phone or Smartphone?
tacit plank
Smartphone
They're like computers, except you buy it so that other people can mess around with you're left in the dark about what it's doing.
umbral reef
They are super advanced and polished computers for an fairly cheap price (unless you go flagship but you pay for the brand then)
That there are bad apps is not the products there fault... If you buy an computer with known preload programs that track you- Then you should have just googled it for a single second as its a few bucks you pay...
Same goes for phones and apps imo
tacit plank
lol, which part is "super advanced"? For example, the thing which suggest the next word you're writing in the messaging app is just a simple makrov chain. You could make a better one yourself, if you had access to your own phone that is.
The hardware is pretty impressive, but the performance has simply gotten worse at the same rate, so compared to phones from 10 or 20 years ago, the battery life is actually worse, even on idle.
And yes, it's absolutely the phones fault, because 90% of the tracking is build-in on purchase, and it's designed in such a way that you could never remove it, even if you were to actually find it.
Laptops usually don't throw its malware into the bios, so most of the time you can actually remove it again
umbral reef
Again- Flagship phones are a rip off and there is an clear and easy reason why A ship brand are taking over...
And unless you go for flagship you have insane control over your products most of the time-
And since when are phones not insanely good computers for there size?
Also battery problems are a thing for everything- People want smaller phones so less battery space-
Want more battery? Get an A ship phone that has that as its goal
Also this is more an #general-media topic by now
dull mountain
yeah we just started it here
tacit plank
Somehow one of my avatar uses the same material for multiple elements, but each element still takes up its own draw call. Is there nothing to do about that?
modern sand
atlasing ?
median basalt
Combine same materials
Unity does not generate a new material if the texture is already used by another material, but it will still take up a material slot on the mesh. These should be combined in Blender.
tacit plank
It's one material, it's just used multiple places
Looks like this
Materials
Element1: Head2
Element2: Head2
Element3: Head2
Element4: Head2
Element5: Head2
When I click the avatar body and scroll down in the inspector
median basalt
Not sure what an element is
Ohh, that's what you mean
Yeah, every element is a material slot on the mesh.
You should automatically or manually combine the materials in Blender
They're actually different in Blender
Unity just imports them as the same material because they share a texture.
You can actually see this by changing the model's material import settings to "from model's material"
It will take the actual materials from the mesh then
I really wish that was default anyway
tacit plank
Damn, so Unity undoes the optimization of the texture sheet?
median basalt
No
It's entirely about how many materials it has in Blender. How many does it actually have?
The amount of material slots in Unity will always reflect the material count in Blender
Or whatever 3D modeling program you use
I have never had an atlased model turn up with more than 1 material in Unity
tacit plank
Unity could have merged them, as they're identical
median basalt
I don't think it can make assumptions like that @tacit plank
Especially since that would break the mesh when you want to import the materials separately again at some point
quiet prawn
There are cases to have multiple materials for the same texture. And, correct me of I'm wrong, multiple materials using the same texture is still more performant than multiple textures.
turbid agate
Anyone having same issue? Seems using overrides while crouch or prone disables full ik
tacit plank
I'm trying to atlast instead now, but packing island messes up my textures, and changing the UV map back does not fix it like Tupper claims
median basalt
@tacit plank do manual atlasing
Don't bother with the auto atlas
Or update Cats to the dev version and use material combiner
median basalt
What
You don't press that
Just StartManualUnwrap and immediately FinishManualUnwrap
Then start moving UV's around
I did a tutorial on texture atlasing in case you need one
tacit plank
None of them are touching
median basalt
But if all your materials are using the same texture anyway
You can manually combine them without atlasing, just assign them all to the same material and delete the rest
tacit plank
But as soon as I hit tab, my textures look all wrong
Some are, but a lot are also different
median basalt
Wrong how?
tacit plank
Entire face is red
median basalt
After moving the UV's you mean?
tacit plank
I didn't move anything yet
median basalt
It's normal for everything to look messed up until you delete all old materials and put in one new one
Oh
tacit plank
The blocks in the UV thing aren't touching, it looks like it should be alright
median basalt
Maybe try StartManualUnwrap and FinishManualUnwrap again on a fresh model
So what did you do exactly?
Did you already bake stuff?
tacit plank
Fresh model, startmanualunwrap, finishmanualunwrap, messed up
Wait, no, it's messed up when I press pack
small wing
I just started vrchat and my memory usage crashed my entire computer (bluescreen)
what the hell
is this the new update?
tacit plank
Before packing, it overlaps like hell, even going outside of the defined area. Changing the atlas size does not change the area though
2k * 2k or 16k*16k, same overlap and default size
small wing
I joined on an instance with 7 other people and my memory climbed from the normal 6gb all the way to using my full 16. Why is this suddenly an issue for me?
median basalt
@tacit plank why are you pressing Pack to begin with?
That is absolutely not part of any atlasing process I have ever seen lol
tacit plank
Tuppers tutorial mentioned it
tacit plank
Making an UV map gives me a new object called TextureAtlas_mergedObject, which I don't see in any tutorial videos, btw
Should I just ignore it?
median basalt
That should be fixed when you press finishmanualunwrap normally
When you just have a normal model, you click it
Startmanualunwrap and finishmanualunwrap
You should be left with two UV maps
The second one being the atlas one
tacit plank
Alright, did exactly that now
odd blaze
For atlasing try for easy atlasning try shotariya blender plugin, its a very easy one take 10~ sec to do it for you and does not scale down textures
hup thats what i get for typing wierdly anyway~
tacit plank
Either these tutorials are horrible, or my blender is
Things stretch if I move them with the sync on, and without it I have about 10 screens worth of overlapping textures
median basalt
My video covers the stretching thing
Untick keep selection in sync, move, then tick it again
It's a bit annoying but it should work
Generally what you do is you first move it out of the atlas and scale it down a bit
Then you move it back in one by one
tacit plank
Even the individual parts that I move seems to overlap themselves
median basalt
If you're moving them one material at a time, it shouldn't matter even if they overlap.