Well it’s hard to notice that when you don’t put anything beside it
#vrchat-general-2
azure charm
vocal shard
azure charm
Like kappa
I’m pretty sure arguing is breaking a rule so ima just go to another channel
ruby needle
umbral reef
Boy if that is arguing i would be banned months ago
winged quartz
sigh... are you guys being able to log into the game?
vocal shard
i was in about an hour ago... but not since
winged quartz
I mean, inputting password n shit
It wasn't working, only worked after putting on an notepad and ctrl v-ing
ruby needle
i heard someone having a issue where pasting was needet 
i wonder if it potentially could be a result of the webpanels
winged quartz
I had to ctrl v both the username and the password
It probably is
the menu that you input is kinda different from before
brave lichen
I could use my phone vr headset to play vrchat?
umbral reef
They had to change it for security reasons
brave lichen
That probably wont take up more gpu power
cold talon
@azure charm please don't ping the mods on every message, and only ping for urgent matters
frosty sorrel
my friend says they cant hear my mic and they have an icon next to their name with an ear and cross going through it help?
ruby needle
do they have you muted
polar jasper
They probably do
ruby needle
@brave lichen smartphone for PC vr (games) is not really worth start with WMR or dont.
And no, it would need the GPU
cus you PC has to generate the picture
and is send to the phone to display it
polar jasper
Just mute/unmute again and it should work. I would recommend doing it on the website, but right now it seems to not behave correctly as they are updating it
frosty sorrel
they did T.T
north axle
All my friends are in private worlds. I really hate that.
cold talon
feel ya
umbral reef
Just remove all friends then you wont have that problem c:
ruby burrow
I kinda wish you could still see what kind of world they're in, to know what you're requesting an invite to.
Although I suppose that would slightly diminish the private-ness?
indigo yacht
oi im desktop user is there anyone not being able to see videos from video players anymore ?
my friend in vr can see videos but i can't all i see is black screen
zinc badger
they removed web panels
crisp moth
Did you know VRChat owns the rights to the avatars you upload?
modest halo
What causes red avatars I have over a tb of space I cleared my cache verified local files
ruby burrow
That would be an awkward thing to enforce in much actual application.
modest halo
it’s very frustrating
and worlds don’t load right
i have to reload them at least 5 times sometimes
and it’s been happening for weeks
ruby burrow
Red avatars can be caused by...
- Cache being full.
- Server problems.
- Faulty individual avatars.
Dunno if there are other causes or not.
brave lichen
Apperently someone got 60fps playing robo recall vr on a gtx 770
So I think I could def run vr chat
I have a 770M
polar jasper
Do you have the particle limiter on? @modest halo
ruby burrow
Dunno what your issue is then Pink. Doesn't sound much like any of the causes I know.
polar jasper
Also, if it's a old avatar that can also result in a red avatar
ruby burrow
And a 770 should do alright, if not ideal.
brave lichen
Im gonna upgrade to a 1050ti soon
ruby burrow
Turns out that VR Chat is mainly CPU bottlenecked, more than GPU at least.
brave lichen
Then a 980
polar jasper
You don't have it then
brave lichen
My cpu is quad core i7-4800
polar jasper
So could be a old avatar or broken upload on their end
brave lichen
Something like that
ruby burrow
I run the game on a 960 myself, and it does fine overall.
polar jasper
I take it you still see other avatar's Pink?
modest halo
I see them red and it’s a few
brave lichen
(I play on a msi gaming laptop)
ruby burrow
My CPU is the old classic i5-2500k.
brave lichen
Mine should def run then
brave lichen
@ruby burrow you play on vr?
modest halo
but it’s not broken
brave lichen
Or desktop
ruby burrow
Vive VR yes.
brave lichen
Gucci
I would buy a vive but I'm gonna buy wmr instead
Its cheaper and I've seen it in action
polar jasper
@modest halo then I can only suggest you follow the steps in #vrchat-support
It can also be a routing issue
brave lichen
It performs really well
modest halo
idk what the problem is I tried the steps
brave lichen
I'm impatient on saving money
ruby burrow
This old 3.70 GHz processor has a reputation or sorts though, as being irreplaceable.
brave lichen
So thats an issue saving up
ruby burrow
It's kind of only recently that anything worth upgrading it to has come on the market.
polar jasper
Contact support, as I am not sure myself then Pink. It is most likely a networking issue
brave lichen
I guess that was a good gpu back in the days
tardy glen
brave lichen
Im gonna buy a 1050 ti then save up again for wmr
ruby burrow
The M rated laptop cards are unfortunately a bit of a cruel trap in my eyes. Borderline scam with how they market them.
For example. https://i.imgur.com/aLgcLRW.png
ruby burrow
Compare the 960 cards on that list, right at the top and bottom with the pink bars.
brave lichen
And connecting it to my laptop with some wires and stuff
ruby burrow
Yeah, I was just mentioning it, since so many people have no idea how big the gap is.
ruby burrow
Friend of mine went from an old desktop, to a brand new gaming laptop. He was all hype about being able to play up to date games again, only to discover he'd accidentally downgraded, not upgraded.
brave lichen
In a way
OOF
Feels hella bad
Wow
I dont think it happens with cpus but its harder to upgrade
Cus laptop bios can lock them like a thot
My friend sorta did the same thing
ruby burrow
CPUs are pretty much equivalent, far as I'm aware, spare a bit of thermal efficiency. Nothing drastic.
brave lichen
He was gonna buy a pc but he bought a laptop instead
£500
His laptop had a 1050ti
But if he was on pc the performance would be way better
I dont care since I got my laptop for free
north axle
Getting your dreams crushed after the hype is something we've all had. Even when I got my Vive, I was extremely excited about something for the first time in my life, and only then I found out I needed another cable. I spent another 3–4 days arranging the rest of my setup, and eventually I was just as depressed as I was looking forward to using my new hardware.
It all worked out in the end, but by the time I got everything I needed I didn't feel like anything was worth it for some reason.
ruby burrow
When I built my first desktop, I forgot to get the appropriate cable to connect the monitor with.
And the stores were shut by the time I'd set it up. ^ ^
Fortunately I was still able to get one the next morning.
torn rose
Anyone know where i can find a good rigged maui
vapid cave
Are the servers lagging out really hard for anyone else today?
zinc badger
nah
vapid cave
Hmmm. Then just my internet then. Thanks
marble wyvern
why did i get logged out and cant log basck in
vocal shard
should I get a oculus? it seems like everyone has one versus the htc?
Rift has gained popularity over the vive now
The touch controllers are really good, especially for this game with the finger tracking
do all vr games in steam compatible with oculus?
leaden finch
most is.. or everyone should because oculus was out before htc so.
vocal shard
Vive was much more popular for a while before touch came out. Vive was the only one with roomscale and controllers before
yeah everyone I know has an oculus, I only know one person who has a htc, I guess the $100 difference helps choosing a headset
At this point, most vr games work with any of the 3 main systems. And if they don't, third party apps let them work
leaden finch
genuenly oculus is better because they got sweat protection and stuff like that. + u get more nd can get better sensors
vocal shard
Eh... Wouldn't go as far to say better sensors. Lighthouse tracking is superior... But not noticeable for most situations
I'd vote rift
small wing
etch a sketch
vocal shard
I havent been in vrchat in months since my last pc busted. is everything cool? friend was telling me theirs hackers
ruby burrow
Keep in mind that you need to buy an additional sensor for the Rift if you want equivalent roomscale tracking quality.
That brings the price pretty much equal.
Vive requires less cable management with only two base stations that need only power, and don't need to be plugged into the PC.
Vive tracking also has a lower CPU overhead.
Vive also has a larger tracking area, if you're lucky enough to have that large a playspace, although that's obviously a moot point for most regular users.
Vive lighthouses have 120 degrees field of view, vs Rift 70 by 90 FOV.
And this is obviously outside of technical or practical considerations, but I simply support Vives business practices far more. Or to be more accurate, I'm opposed to Facebooks insistence on dividing the VR market by creating their walled garden of the Oculus Store.
HTC invested $4 million into VR Chat itself. And Valve has been paying out "non-exclusivity grants" to promising VR developers, with no return expected and the only clause being that they do not sign any deals tying them to a single headset/platform.
safe prism
and openvr is an amazing and open platform
ruby burrow
Meanwhile Oculus has been making exclusivity deals with developers, attempting to force as many customers into owning a Rift if they want to play those games.
safe prism
oculus lags behind on any of the really cool tools that openvr has and you have to super finagle them out of oculus sdk
ruby burrow
They're trying to carve up and create monopolies within a fragile market before it's even got onto it's feet.
vocal shard
well imma try my friends oculus and htc tomorrow and see what I will like the most
ruby burrow
They may well have actually harmed the growth of the VR industry far as I see it.
That's a good idea I suppose. Not many people have access to both.
vocal shard
Thing is... I see openvr, and valve pushing vr into the next generation.... HTC tho.... Not to sure...
Just my opinion
I love the vive, and rift 
But who knows what next gen will bring
ruby burrow
It's also kind of ironic that Oculus new platform based DRM has essentially just created the piracy vulnerability their store now has, since finding a way to bypass it was the only way to get Oculus games to continue working with ReVive.
Yeah, I'll concede on that one. So far we've not been shown much innovation for next gen stuff from HTC just yet.
They might well just be keeping it quiet and inhouse, but Oculus, Paimax and others have all been quite public with various promising new developments on the hardware side of things.
vocal shard
Oculus closed platform and exclusives... Yeah, I don't like.... Going the console rout there..
ruby needle
the only reason consoles still live 
ruby burrow
VR simply will not work if it's treated like a new console war. It needs to be open and fully compatible.
vocal shard
From a business look, it is smart on oculus's part
ruby needle
unfortunately, how it is now. i dont see to much chances
ruby burrow
The market simply isn't large enough to start claiming territory and reducing the consumer base that developers can work with.
ruby needle
we have steam/htc, Oculus and now even microsoft
i dont see smaller solutions having a to big chane of establishing
vocal shard
Microsoft... We got like 5 games. Lol
ruby needle
the thing with WMR is that it kinda is a framework.
ruby burrow
Well with the ammount of competitors that have announced plans to start making HMDs and other accessories, I don't think Oculus plan will work for long anyway. I just don't like that they tried it.
Hopefully soon they'll open up the store and stop that nonsense.
vocal shard
Didn't viveport just open up to others or something? Idk...
ruby needle
one thing i find really disgusting is all the third party companies with their ridiculusly priced things.
ruby burrow
It's like if you had to buy a Sony TV to play the latest God of War game. Yet had to own another Samsung TV one to play a different game.
It's absurd.
granite oriole
Hey guys, I need help, my vrchat is giving error when starting
it says the following
"The game crashed.
The crash report folder named 2018-08-21_220632 next to game excutable
it would be great if you 'd send it to the developer of the game "
what do I do ?
ruby needle
first, try the steps in #vrchat-support
granite oriole
ok
frank pawn
@covert chasm Were you happen to be playing VR Chat and dropped by at the avatar testing world just a minute ago?
ruby needle
Dont ping Admins for non urgend (like really REALLY urgend) matters
covert chasm
@frank pawn nope, probably a fake, send me screenshots of their name via the highlight laser and your output logs
median basalt
Oof, someone's getting banned for mod impersonation
frank pawn
I suspected it was an imposter
covert chasm
Happens quite often, and its kind of stupid-- its usually the Chris model (which I don't use) and the wrong mod tag (which i rarely wear anyways)
median basalt
Lol
frank pawn
Didn't have a screenshot of him though, sorry
median basalt
It's because you use the Chris model in dev updates
covert chasm
¯_(ツ)_/¯
median basalt
It kinda became a meme because most people don't really see you ingame
covert chasm
I'm ingame pretty much nightly, haha
frank pawn
They even had the 'Dev' banner in their name
vocal shard
@frank pawn I’ve seen someone who did something similar but it was also a crash avatar.
covert chasm
Yep, usually is. Easy to figure out who they actually are by highlighting them with your context laser and viewing their social panel
if you find people like that, highlight them and take a screenshot and send it my way
I'll handle it 
also useful to send your output log
vocal shard
I figure. Almost most people who have a “mod” or “dev” tag tend to not really be.
median basalt
I thought actual mods had a different tag anyway. I don't know, I've never seen one ingame
Closest I've gotten is seeing a Discord chat mod ingame lol
No special tags obviously
frank pawn
I'll search through the output log then.
vocal shard
Not really sure how many mods there are in game. Just seen a couple of the more well known.
But I hop through public’s a lot.
lilac swan
Actual staff do have a "mod" tag, although for fairly obvious reasons they might not want to publicly broadcast it. They can toggle it on/off.
Assuming they're on their mod account and not on an alt
median basalt
I can imagine mods just wanna play the game and exist without necessarily being "on duty" as a mod
lilac swan
Cause they're people too and like hanging around
median basalt
Yeah, exactly
placid umbra
Most staff members don't leave their tag on, you might have met some of them without knowing
median basalt
Makes sense
Although I don't hang around in public instances as often as I'd like anymore
frank pawn
Looking through the log now and Tupper's name does not appear anywhere in it.
So I'm guessing they didn't use Tupper's name for their account
median basalt
That's a pretty clear sign it was a fake, yeah
People can put fake name tags over themselves
They're usually easy to spot since they delete other name tags behind them
Or are only visible from some angles etc
safe prism
only thing i know is advert has me blocked
im wholesome ;-;
vocal shard
Do I?
safe prism
<3
vocal shard
tender slate
Oh hi, how long do I have to wait to publish a VR Chat playermodel ( Unity ) ?
frank pawn
@tender slate It normally takes 20-30 hours of total play time, you'll have to be logged in with your VR Chat account though.
tender slate
Kay thanks
vocal shard
There isn't a set time on how long you need to use the VRChat app to be given permission to upload user content.
Just keep on interacting with other players and you'll receive it soon enough.
frank pawn
Does anyone know how the output-log shows if a player has connected to the same world?
vocal shard
@covert chasm That was a hell of a ban spree bud
covert chasm
I haven't banned anyone?
vocal shard
Not you specifically.
covert chasm
I mean, you mentioned me.
Also, how would you know about any ban sprees unless you were the subject of a ban?
safe prism
if you're friends with people that get banned :D
vocal shard
I mean you can also thank us for the fixes being implemented
But I don’t mind the ban
So I just got full body
and when I load it
my avatar is just stuck in a tpose
and I can't move
anyone know how yo fix?
safe prism
look down, line up the balls to where they're supposed to be (this is an art, but you'll get it,) then pull the triggers when they're right.
vocal shard
thanks
safe prism
https://www.reddit.com/r/VRchat/comments/7y879f/tutorial_a_guide_to_full_body_tracking_for_vive/
a pretty all-inclusive guide
vocal shard
#full-body-tracking can help as well.
timber violet
hi
finite kraken
what is a prefab?
distant breach
Pre-fabricated object
uncut trail
100mbs worlds are bad 29min to dl wtf
umbral oracle
@uncut trail Might be worth trying a VPN if you keep having weird throttling issues. Sometimes caused by malicious ISPs, other times by routing issues. If a VPN helps might be worth contacting your ISP (what ISP do you have?) / @little rain please don't post the same question in multiple channels
little rain
ok, i am sorry
umbral oracle
no worries, I see you posted here first and then found a better group. it's probably ok to delete the old message. The rule is just so people don't waste time answering your question twice.
uncut trail
Cant use vpn due to isp
umbral oracle
Have you tried a different ISP or tethering through mobile? Also there are lots of vpn services. You can set up your own on amazon then they can't easily block it. Australia isn't one of the insane countries that make vpn illegal
warm sequoia
how long does it take to be able to make your own avatars
vocal shard
FPaul is asleep, but this is his answer he usually posts for that question:
Becoming verified by the trust system is based on reaching a not time based trust score, which's exact algorithm is unknown to prevent exploitation.
You presumably need to play the game in a normal manner with your VRChat account, walking around, meeting people and also making some friends. Idling won't help.
According to many responses in this discord, a rough estimate would be 20-40 hours, but big exceptions are possible.
Make sure you are not using a steam account because those can not be verified and continue playing the game until you get a notification or e-mail.
http://help.vrchat.com/knowledge_base/topics/why-cant-i-upload-avatars-or-worlds-yet
warm sequoia
cool thank you
grand zealot
oh look, unauthorized login
hexed fox
O.O
polar jasper
Always like that this time of the day 😛 just keep switching lobbies and you will find one eventually ^^
brave lichen
cool
hexed fox
What's everyone doing ?
brave lichen
Im going to the dj lobby
merry gale
@grand zealot have you tried to log in with your email, and copy and paste your password?
merry gale
Are you talking about a world?
brave lichen
yes
merry gale
When you look at how many people are in a world is says how many people there is in total of all instances , if know what I mean
umbral reef
Can be a lot of things from write speed to tech (internet router, cable, the ISP slowing stuff down), It can be an really big world with lots of stuff to download or VRC servers are a bit slow
brave lichen
Processor Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-4700MQ CPU @ 2.40GHz, 2401 Mhz, 4 Core(s), 8 Logical Processor(s)
oh ok
my wifi is pretty trash tbh
my room is far away from the source
brave lichen
got into a lobby with some kid threatening to crash people
fiery moth
I record 24/7, so if someone crashes me or whatever, I got proof, topkek
I know some use VPNs to avoid getting banned period, but I know the majority don't, so at least it'll do something to the majority of kids who try that shit with me 
knotty forge
Bleh. Why do people bother to do that
mighty galleon
-pats milky-
fiery moth
Mesh colliders, a fuck ton of particles, etc.
brave lichen
Oh the kid was spamming that
fiery moth
People go around in kiddie gangs, crashing people, basically you have to get into one, to get a crash avatar, most of the time, unless you know someone
fiery moth
VRChat gangs are the equal to clans on COD full of kids trying to be Faze material, basically really annoying squeakers or toxic kids
brave lichen
lmao
fiery moth
Nah, it doesn't effect themselves
umbral reef
There are things like #particle-limiter-share-settings that can help for some crashers
brave lichen
Nothing happened at all
umbral reef
And your laptop and shit wont get hurt from it
brave lichen
I know
vocal shard
no matter how many time and with what they crash you
fiery moth
gPU CrAsHeR wHeN
brave lichen
I was just saying that
umbral reef
Thats already a thing ora
vocal shard
it's been a thing since a long time ago
brave lichen
I dont think my game will crash unless its multiple people crashing
at least 5-10 tbh
umbral reef
Maybe worth talking in public or random before we get yelled at
brave lichen
oof
umbral reef
Also no- A proper crasher will brik the game for anyone
umbral reef
If its just an non evil someone making a hella meme avatar with animations like those 👌 💯 🔥 😂 stuff its nothing bad performance wise (most of the time) let stand crash worthy for someone with the minium game specs
brave lichen
brochacho
I think I have a decent cpu to survive spammed memes
Processor Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-4700MQ CPU @ 2.40GHz, 2401 Mhz, 4 Core(s), 8 Logical Processor(s)
rough pulsar
What about your graphics card?
umbral reef
With an cpu like that i doubt his card will throttle and because of that have an super big effect
umbral reef
Oi advert is mom of VRC
mighty galleon
whos kimple
umbral reef
Fake news that website
brave lichen
my gpu is 770M
vocal shard
kimple is supposed to be someone well known ? okay
rough pulsar
Kimple's been around since at least the Steam release last year.
brave lichen
Im gonna upgrade soon
mighty galleon
oclac well known for being an lac of oc
umbral reef
And no touching reeee
mighty galleon
if best boi a pat is required
umbral reef
But i should need my personal page on that website :^)
Good for my ego-
Also i gtg shopping so take care
mighty galleon
bye
errant merlin
So uh.. can someone get punished for stating "I'm going to steal your avatar, give me a sec"
errant merlin
I mean, can devs tell if someone has a stolen avatar though?
mighty galleon
no? unless you can verify that he stole it
vocal shard
If you have proof of them having stolen avatars, report them to moderation@Vrchat.com or the google form in #moderation-reports.
When doing a report, be as detailed as you can with them.
errant merlin
Guess I won't be reporting since the only evidence I got is him saying that before I left the world
no solid evidence of stealing
vocal shard
It's probably just someone saying it so they can scare some people off.
mighty galleon
it could always just be a threat b/c they think it scares people
imo it doesnt much matter
errant merlin
I don't know about hacked clients, but I'm assuming you can use the hack menu within VR?
mighty galleon
dont know but dont question
vocal shard
Never used one, never will know.
errant merlin
because he was doing some swiping
vocal shard
People swipe when they're scrolling through avatars/worlds in VR.
errant merlin
I just nuked it, currently re-uploading now 😛
mighty galleon
-pats accurian-
safe glen
Anyone here knows where to buy a new facial interface for Oculus? Mine is starting to get loose. Have to put it back into place all the time, getting rather annoying. The Foam etc
meager solstice
buy the foam at the oculus website
safe glen
Yea, but I want leather or something
Not the regular foam, hair gets stuck in that all the time
Especially my beard ._.
azure wren
safe glen
vocal shard
You can check VRCover, that's where a friend of mine bought his.
safe glen
Ok, thanks
tight shadow
Quick Question: How many hours do i have to play VRChat for to upload custom avatars? (I have originally been using my Steam account for 4 hours and now i have linked my VRChat account to steam with 1 hour of game time.)
tight shadow
What do the algorithm go off?
steep turret
being a decent human being
just be nice to people and you'll get an email eventually
vocal shard
Read the pin in this channel.
steep turret
advert hello 🌮
vocal shard
Henlo
steep turret
❤️❤️
tight shadow
Sorry where is the pin?
vocal shard
This icon that's on top -> 📌
tight shadow
Ah okay, thank you very much
vocal shard
Bless you
steep turret
oh hey it stopped. thank you advert-chan your powers have saved me
vocal shard
I am the sneeze lort.
steep turret
oh shit. bows down my liege
steep turret
nani
safe glen
What kind of help?
steep turret
it must be serious they used an emoji
safe glen
Oh snap
autumn delta
v e r y
safe glen
autumn delta
unanimated model clips through the floor
safe glen
Just move the animation sequence to above the square line in Unity
autumn delta
un-animated
safe glen
Oh
steep turret
that's an oof right there
steep turret
yeah move it up in blender
median basalt
I already told them how to fix it four times, you're probably wasting your time lol
They come back every 3 days with the same question and ignore all answers
steep turret
that's some talent right there
safe glen
median basalt
I even gave them detailed instructions on how to raise the model up and subsequently move the origin point to 0,0,0
autumn delta
it's not made in blender but 0k
safe glen
That doesn't matter
umbral reef
You can still move it within blender 0k
safe glen
You can still move it in Blender
median basalt
Even if you don't wanna use Blender I already told you how to do it within Unity
Maybe you should stop ignoring people that are trying to help you
Otherwise why are you even here lmao
safe glen
steep turret
why are they here. only to suffer.
autumn delta
obj
steep turret
did you choose to import it as an obj
umbral reef
Why is an avatar an .obj ..
What obscure website did you snag it from
steep turret
autumn delta
nope
vocal shard
it doesnt matter, people told you multiple tie of to fix it
autumn delta
nothing, along with some traceback errors
vocal shard
the answer wont change if you ask multiple times
and pretty sure a model .obj won't work properly
autumn delta
for vrchat?
steep turret
yerp
vocal shard
yes for vrchat, what else ?
autumn delta
when I use it in vrchat, everything is fine, other than it halfway in the ground
vocal shard
.obj dont have texture or bones, dont remember what bullshit they got
but they aint working
autumn delta
like I said, this is a non-animated/ no bones model
median basalt
How long until they figure out that I gave them the Unity-only solution for the fourth time a little bit upwards?
Let's see
vocal shard
i would just block the person if they continuously just ignores me when i give the solution every time, dunno why you didnt do it yet
median basalt
Because they're not personally harassing me
I only block people if they start spamming my DM's or something
autumn delta
you know I did move it upwards
median basalt
I also had to block someone who kept saying that aspartame causes cancer in #general-media
And kept pinging me
steep turret
that's an oof
vocal shard
median basalt
Or stuff like "aspartame makes your body think you're getting sugar so you get fat"
autumn delta
velsien when did you give me the solution?
vocal shard
i'm not talking about me but Rokk
steep turret
👍
autumn delta
what do you think
steep turret
well played
tacit plank
Any updated list of whitelisted components?
median basalt
It should be the same as on the website right?
The list hasn't changed in a long time, other than the addition of IK Follower
tacit plank
I'm not sure what IK follower is, got a link to information on it?
And I will check the website then
polar jasper
median basalt
The IK follower is a fix for world particles not working on your armature
Because the particle system seems to be emitted before Final IK moves your hands for that frame
It seems to be a very crude fix, but usually it works.
median basalt
I had to switch back to fixed joints for my mesh particles as well. When particle systems are inside your armature, sometimes the particles disappear if the system is out of view.
They work fine with fixed joints
I never had the IK followers themselves bug out on me, though.
What I did is put a game object on my hand, put all the particle systems in there
Then I put the IK follower on the object
vocal shard
maybe they fixed it
but at some point when the particle was always active
and you started emitting
the first few seconds were bugged out
it didnt follow the rotation at all
median basalt
I doubt they changed anything. The implementation seems to just be "set this object to its parent's position"
And this happens in the right order for Final IK's "fix transforms" to not reset the particle system's position until after it's done emitting
Final IK sets your armature back to default at either the start or the end of every frame
Makes the IK a lot more accurate
But of course, world particles will get issues like these
idle elm
what does "(proposed)" mean on a that article?
umbral reef
Think someone suggested an edit and its not confirmed proper yet but still live?
median basalt
They were probably hasty in adding the docs
And yeah, the way the IK follower works, rotation will work if you apply the rotation to the child particle systems
Just have a game object with IK follower at position and rotation 0 on the wrist
And put your particle systems underneath that, possible under another game object that has the rotation
In case of multiple systems
It's a convoluted setup, but I'm pretty sure this is all the devs can do to fix the issue
They didn't half-ass the solution, this just is the best solution it seems
And it seems to work if you do it as described
I did encounter one problem with it, but apparently that's a bug with scaled particle systems in Unity
Where the particles disappear if the emitter is out of view
And armatures tend to have weird scales all over. The armature object is already scaled x100 when importing FBX
quartz urchin
Then you have the export setting wrong if you have a scale of 0.01 when importing the model in Unity, you should always set the scaling to FBX All when exporting the fbx in blender
This gives it 1/1 scale between unity and blender
So many guides have this wrong...
median basalt
@quartz urchin this is just something that happens with FBX Export for some reason
It also happens if you export single meshes
The only way to prevent this is to tick "!!EXPERIMENTAL!! Apply Transforms" in the FBX export settings
Which people aren't touching
quartz urchin
... i always have it at 1/1 scale
quartz urchin
FBX All is all you need
median basalt
Go check your armature and you'll probably see that it's at 100 scale
quartz urchin
Nope i have 1
median basalt
And you're checking your Armature object, right? Not the main model's object or the mesh?
quartz urchin
I know this, ive been experimenting to get it correct
quartz urchin
Set the export to FBX All then
median basalt
Ohh, it's the Apply Scale setting
I had no idea that was a thing. Thanks
Doesn't seem to solve the weird rotation though
Only the scale
Apply Transform seems to fix the rotation
quartz urchin
Yea rotation is something that is strange because the exporter is not original, since Maya has it licensed.
Experimental is not anything that can damage anything anyway, so you can just have it applied
Well, to fix the rotation issue is easy also :p
just strange
you just have to have 2 meshes in the file
one can be empty
some strange thing is doing it, and having 2 meshes seems to fix it
quartz urchin
mhm, been exporting some meshes for Map making and having 2 meshes usually fixes the rotation issue of 90*
since i can just drag the one mesh i need into the scene anyway i usually do that
Experimental sometimes also fixes it, but not always
vocal shard
hey for oculus rift with the two sensors, I need to connect them all in the usb 3.0 on my pc right?
it's better for them to be on usb 3.0
but 2.0 still work
ruby needle
i have 2 and both on 2.0
works perfect even with a 360 setup that is a reasonable size
median basalt
@vocal shard they can be in USB 3.0 or 2.0
The sensors at least
In fact, they recommend not plugging more than two sensors in a 3.0 port
Headset should definitely go into 3.0, although Setup has allowed me to proceed on 2.0 at some point.
ruby needle
headset you want on 3.0 yes
nor having more then 2 on 3.0 has the reason of bandwith
median basalt
Ah
median basalt
I don't have room for a third sensor anyway
Or I'd have to place it in some ridiculous location
ruby needle
what ridiculous location?
median basalt
Besides, a third sensor is expensive and my coverage is decent already
ruby needle
expensive?
they are fair
imo
a 3 sensor setup is definitely beter
triangulation is very reliable
and can help a lot with solving fine tracking
and death spots
median basalt
Well, my playspace is 2 meters long and 3 meters wide. My desk is at the front, my window on the right, the bed behind me. That leaves only one space for my sensors, which is to my left. However, that's where my desk chair usually is when I'm in VR.
ruby needle
thats a rather decent playspace you would want 3 for
there is always ways to mount sensors
median basalt
Yeah I know, but I can't afford that right now, it's like 110 euros
And also the extra work + supplies needed to mount it somewhere
ruby needle
walls, ceiling, tripods
median basalt
Oh nvm, apparently a new sensor is only 70 euros. That's doable I think
I might get one later but not now
I still need to figure out where to put it in my room
I also need to be able to run a cable to my PC
I think that's an advantage of the Vive base stations, they only need power right?
I probably won't be able to run a cable to my PC properly since my sensor would have to be placed very far to the left and also higher than the others
ruby needle
yeah 70
yes the base stations "only" need power
for a distant camera you can use a 2.0 extension just fine
one with a repeater tho
please
median basalt
Will also have to buy a mount for the third sensor somehow
ruby needle
there is always ways
median basalt
It's not easy to get shit like that in the Netherlands
Amazon has them but they only accept credit cards
median basalt
Lol
My closet is too close to my other sensors for that
Would be viable otherwise
The closest place I can mount it would be pretty far off to the left and requiring an additional cable
ruby needle
vocal shard
if you buy a third sensor they will give you an extension cable with it
ruby needle
and this is a POV from one camera to the other
you can se the silver thingy at the green screen
umbral reef
Paul clean your room :c
umbral reef
Also- Give me those snacks
vocal shard
Anime poster
vocal shard
yep
ruby needle
one thign to consider tho
the touch bundle is 120
comes with two controllers a, the RB thing, and a sensor
a single controller left or right is 90€
(makes sense, right? 
)
so might be worth buying that insted as a backup in advance
or sell the controllers individually
umbral reef
Give me the snacks fpaul- Email them over buddy
ruby needle
picture is old 
umbral reef
Get new stuff for me
chrome grotto
Sorry for the intrusion but just wanted to wish everyone a fantastic day! Love you all lots 
umbral reef
Also have a lovely day ❤
modest halo
!online
floral flaxBOT
There are 5821 users in VRChat currently
steep turret
lovely days for all
glass grove
@vocal shard
a crash will not break your pc
no matter how many time and with what they crash you
You say that, but I got crashed like an hour and a half ago and now my GPU is fucked. I tried reinstalling drivers, but nothing. Fucked up part is I'm pretty sure it was a lobby-wide crash
I don't know much about crashes tbh, is that what a GPU crasher is?
vocal shard
🙄
ruby needle
A crash does not kill your GPU, if something breaks after it there has been a fault before and it's just the tiop of the iceberg.
sometimes windows fucks up
somethimes the hardware
tacit plank
How is your GPU "fucked"? You can still see your monitor, so it seems to be working just fine
zinc solar
Hmmm
steep turret
exposed
zinc solar
I just post a bunch of Emojis of VR users I have for raisins
tacit plank
Lol raisins. do you play SS13? You should put them in the random chat though
zinc solar
Also if you guys are talking about crash
I have been getting constant crashes lately, i'm playing VRChat in Super potato mode and the only world I don't crash back into my home world is Lag free box
This has been happening a lot since last update
glass grove
@tacit plank Well obviously I'd like to do other things besides look at my monitor- say play VRChat or literally any other game without having my display driver crash and have half the screen be frozen artifacts
tacit plank
If it sends you back to your homeworld, it is likely a connection issue
zinc solar
Would say that, but everything has been fine before
tacit plank
If your display drivers crash, it's because you have bad software. It can't be caused by a VRChat avatar
Well, it can, but only in VRChat. There will be no lasting effects in other games
halcyon ingot
it can be caused
ruby needle
that is a hardware/system fault
halcyon ingot
but it wont be catastrophic
tacit plank
If you get send back to your home world, it's not really a crash as VRChat still works. I think it happens when you lose connection, but I'm not completely sure.
Anything in your output log? Tried the usual fixes?
umbral reef
@glass grove Clean your cache- Big odds you got broken files in there
Else do a full reboot of your computer (Turn off- Count to 20- Turn on)
If it still fails check for VRC files if they are all there and update drivers
tacit plank
He has the issue in all games he play
So he has shit drivers. I know because I do too. TF2 makes my computer turn off for an instant, and afterwards all my sound settings reset, it's highly annoying
umbral reef
Restarting the pc and updating all the drivers he has never harms
Also reinstalling drivers often isnt the fix- Checking for them updates or applying a fix to them works better
I once reinstalled my drivers and stuff was still fucked- degraded and upgraded and it was totaly ok after
glass grove
@umbral reef Thanks, I'll give it a shot
rough pulsar
I'm wondering if it's just the horrid connection I have at this hotel, but has anyone had issues lately with avatars (your own or others) just never loading? Just endless blue man.
halcyon ingot
If you are having connection issues sometimes you do just end up playing with the blue man group
ruby burrow
If it's endless blue man, that sounds like your own connection being the issue.
If it's hordes of red man, that's cache full or server issues.
If just occasional red man, that's a faulty avatar.
rough pulsar
Makes sense. Kinda happy to be home on saturday and back on a decent connection.
ruby burrow
@median basalt (moving out of the help channel) Hmm. How might we trigger or control them though? I could imagine going up to 8 gesture/facial anims, but more would probably need some interface innovation or new hardware,
vocal shard
I dont have too much usb ports and I was planning on getting a oculus, is their a good usb hub I should get?
median basalt
@ruby burrow I'm referring to having them separated per hand
As an example
Or switching into a new set using emotes
Or making combination gestures
halcyon ingot
If you want that kind of stuff ingame you should upvote the canny https://vrchat.canny.io/feature-requests/p/custom-animator-controllers-on-humanoid-avatars
ashen breach
so how long does it actually take for perm to upload your own or other people's avatars into vrchat? cause i just got unity and the sdk thing, realized i have to make a vrchat account and cant use my steam account so now im here from scratch.
i really want to make my own shit instead of using others well.. shit
halcyon ingot
It takes about 20-40hours of active play to get upload perms
so make friends, visit worlds etc
umbral reef
Just read the last pinned msg within this channel to get the only official known source
ashen breach
woah ok.. makes sense though
umbral reef
Past that- As g1fan said- It takes most poeple around ~20 to 40 hours on average (people played for an hour and got it or weeks and never got it) while just making new friends, visiting worlds and just playing
There is no set hour as its an trust system- not an time gate
median basalt
I've played on an alt for 10 hours and got added by 20 people and nothing happened
It's inconsistent at best
halcyon ingot
we'll get through it rokk 😢
median basalt
Give me upload 🅱ights so I can support full body public avatar users
I come bearing gifts made of Cloth and inverted hip bones
vocal shard
nah m8
you need to wait, we need to give upload privilege to 3 crashers and 2 meme lords before
median basalt
😢
tacit plank
Try changing worlds a lot
umbral reef
Bruh you legit want to ping thousands of users
vocal shard
can somebody kick this clown ?
median basalt
Lmao
modern sand
Yep, that's a yikes in my book
vocal shard
thank you very much
median basalt
Imagine being so rude that you're willing to try and ping tens of thousands of users
Even though normal people can't ping everyone (thank god for that)
modern sand
and asking for stuff without saying please
vocal shard
to ask for paid content for free
median basalt
That too
vocal shard
Aww, looks like I missed the drama..
just a random idiot* that tried to ping everyone to get paid asset
I see
glossy yarrow
Anyone got any idea how to contact a mod about a name change
floral aspen
umbral reef
Please first check to see if you are using a Steam account. You will know this as your account will have a combo of letters and numbers after your name. If you are using a Steam account, please signup for an account at https://www.vrchat.com/ with the new desired name. If you already have a VRChat account, please email support@vrchat.com. Make sure you are emailing from the same email you used to create the account and mention this in the email. Also put your original name and the desired name you wish to change to.```Oh nice, thanks so much
eternal crow
https://i.imgur.com/gyTExWY.jpg walked into pug, went upstairs and saw this, i only screamed a little. hahaha
magic osprey
Someone by the name of Mozzy.exe has a crasher, and is saying they've ban-evaided 9 times already by making new accounts.
I've been crashed 3 times by them trying to get screenshots
umbral reef
You will need to use the email moderation@vrchat.com instead
median basalt
I think they can technically still log you out after blocking, but they probably don't even know you're there
opaque remnant
people you have blocked can still see you in social, and being logged out is usually a world wide thing from my experience
jovial pulsar
Hmm, it says I downloaded a 200+ mb patch 2 hours ago, did anything get updated?
ivory folio
were you just in that presentation room?
subtle prawn
try turning off Future Proof
tacit plank
I did already, the upload is just super slow
winged quartz
Future proof 😩
winged quartz
Also sometimes even if the avatar isn't so big, it has multiple shaders
That can slow down a lot
Even tho how much you're uploading is almost the same
tacit plank
It's a world
3MB, maybe about 20 files in total
It's about the size of a regular image you'd find on the internet
Even loading the world in VRChat takes about 2 seconds, it's just the upload which is slow
I did the math, the upload is around 400kbps, while my internet is 500mbps, literally 1250 times faster
vocal shard
turn off future proof
that shouldnt be there
i dont know why that's even selected by default
tacit plank
I did turn it off
sweet oyster
So can someone help me out with this? I can run vrchat fine as long as the window doesn't have priority. But if I click on the vrchat window it starts lagging my entire system and sometimes crashed multiple programs. So I can play fine but if I want to type in vrchat to play a video in like hangout house or something, my game crashes before I can even paste in the url. Any ideas?
ruby needle
that.... is interesting
mighty galleon
down with paul
vocal shard
Nooo not Paul!
mighty galleon
DOWN WITH PAUL
mighty galleon
down with paul and james!
ruby needle
And with that... enogh of this
mighty galleon
you forgot u
uncut trail
What's with these korean hackers nowdays ?
Should i be worried and stay out of public ?
mighty galleon
nah
tacit plank
They can't do much but annoy you slightly
And if you block avatars by default (pretty good idea in public) even less of them can do anything
raven silo
mostly like get attack in public popluar area
umbral scaffold
Hey, so everytime i try logging into vrchat it just tells me in unauthorized, i've tried changing my password, uninstalling and reinstalling, and basically everything in vrchat-support but it keeps telling me in unauthorized. anyone know what else i can do?
fierce nymph
Anyone know why nothing is loading for me
Not even people's avatars
I can't even join worlds without the infinite loading
grand zealot
Does anyone here have Mixed Reality? 🤔
finite kraken
some folks say vrchat is dying i say i am learning more and more working on models for vrchat and i stopped playing it even don't really enjoy playing it at times but i enjoy making stuff and learning
grand zealot
VRChat has had the same amount of people for over four months now.
I don't think it's dying, rather, the community is growing more and more toxic.
halcyon ingot
We aren't dying
playerbase is pretty stagnant tho atm
based on steam stats
I'm not sure people are growing more toxic
grand zealot
They are, trust me.
halcyon ingot
More people will bring more toxicity
but with the numbers staying where they are I wouldn't say people have gotten worse
vocal shard
Here's Hoping that udon will bring in more creators, and help the community.
And Felix, if you mean windows mixed reality, yeah I have/use one
ruby burrow
@fierce nymph Checck the #vrchat-support channel for instructions on clearing your cache. Your problem sounds related to that.
vocal shard
Yeah, I always record when I play, so any crashers. I have evidence
ruby burrow
Public lobbies need to be places people feel comfortable casually hanging out in and meet people. It's an important aspect of the game, and more and more you see people choosing to hide away with the same small groups of friends. It's not a healthy state for the game for people to be scared of public lobbies.
shy nest
I have particles off and havent been crashed since turning them off
sure particles are nice but its really not the end of the world if you turn them off or limit them alot
halcyon ingot
Agreed it would be nice if there were more people in public lobbies, but with the honestly poor state of moderation in this game currently, it's no wonder so many people stick to private instances.
ruby burrow
Let's start a canny suggestion, that the devs appoint a full time staff member to roam the game in a Judge Dread avatar. :v
With the authority to make public arrests and sentencing in game.
I just want to see it.
mighty galleon
i just wanna see a dev in game with a lewd avatar
halcyon ingot
I would 100% upvote that squishy
ruby burrow
Crash gun meets ban gun.
mighty galleon
meats lewd gun
vocal shard
Y the lewd Sean?...
ruby burrow
Y not, I guess. ._.
tawny viper
I like turtles
south viper
Turtle blast waves?
light wedge
what that 
mean
south viper
Someone probably sent a message
light wedge
oh ok
south viper
It’s a feature lol
rough pulsar
that icon is also used for votekicks
south viper
Ah right, same icon for that? Ok
rough pulsar
A (currently) undocumented one at that :B
south viper
Sorry, lately there was one night I was on - I got three private messages using that thing, from three completely independent people
light wedge
oh my
south viper
I had wondered whether someone made a tool for doing it easily
I have known about the API for doing it for some time
rough pulsar
Yeah, it's fairly simple to be honest.
mighty galleon
gallium
rough pulsar
yes?
mighty galleon
hi
rough pulsar
Hi
south viper
The API is super easy to use, I was just surprised on the day because the sorts of people who were using it weren’t the people I considered to be coders
light wedge
how do text to speech to vr
rough pulsar
with some TTS software and a way to route that application output into a mic device for vrchat.
south viper
Also remember - gallium is like the opposite of an M&M, it melts in your hand
</lol>
south viper
No
vocal shard
one month for you buddy
rough pulsar
You definitely should not eat me
mighty galleon
but
rough pulsar
5 second rule
mighty galleon
it looks tasty
south viper
Oops wrong button w. Thanks discord
mighty galleon
well lava also looks tasty
south viper
I dunno about tasty but it’s one of the interesting ones because you can sort of forge it without using fire
I was thinking if you wanted to troll a girl you could give her a really pretty necklace but make it out of Gallium so that the more she touches it, the more it is destroyed
halcyon ingot
harsh
halcyon ingot
touche
safe prism
or make it out of a real metal and not try to mess with people
halcyon ingot
or kill them
south viper
Not messing with people - literally not in my modus operandi
halcyon ingot
all valid ideas
rough pulsar
OR even better, take the soul of a child and forge it into twelve small gemstones and set them upon the oldest tree stump in the forest at midnight and- wait what are we doing again?
safe prism
i'm into this
halcyon ingot
It's weird, but i'm invested
south viper
How do I fund this
light wedge
how work say hello > speech recognition > e-speaking > balabolka hello (f5 play)
halcyon ingot
yes
light wedge
i say clear world
like ctrl a and backspace
very easy
don,t keyboard
i use speech recognition > e-speaking > balabolka
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/402069325319503873/482121089934163988/unknown.png
mental plume
so, my vive will arrive today
aaaand
people say it wont work well on win 7....
but scan tells me differently
vocal shard
it will work just fine
mental plume
😅
mental plume
Oke seriously didnt expected THAT quick delivery
mighty galleon
-pats uzikowa-
mental plume
its like 6h earlier
mighty galleon
?
mental plume
it was supposed to arrive in the evening
mighty galleon
oh your thing
vocal shard
you can send it back and ask them to deliver in 6 hours
mighty galleon
when they say night they usually mean afternoon
mental plume
pbbbfffttt
xD
still got chores to do
aaaah the exitement
ayeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
I wasn't ready xD
mighty galleon
do your chores young human
umbral reef
How is-- You know nvm
fiery moth
Only reason I haven't switched to Mint or Antegros is because this is also my gaming PC.. Bleh
fast bronze
i see were still pushing people to use stream players without a legacy fix
classy af
small wing
tested this and provided examples
i would appreciate it if you guys took a look and can agree with me.
if not, then i need to figure out why my pc is crapping out.
halcyon ingot
Oh ye, no doubt performance goes to shit when you look at those portals
First thing I noticed when the new hub went live
small wing
Upvote please
we need to get this shit fixed.
Im leanient towards letting people know when this stuff happens, especially when its in a main world
small wing
Talked to a friend and it has to do with grabpass distortion on the portals themselves.
Thats what we are assuming, but its really just whatever shader is on that portal we believe.
safe prism
on VRHigh, i literally cannot look in the direction of a portal
small wing
updated the canny
@safe prism upvote that post then, maybe we can start enough of an impact by getting the devs attention to fix it.
sometimes its the tiny things that break all the other big things.
¯_(ツ)_/¯
The hub would legit be my hangout spot if it didnt lag like that.
the reflections are amazing there.
i use it to test my pbr models all the time.
And also on the topic of avatar pedistals. Ive noticed the same thing happens.
The same exact distortion effects are there too, grabpass distortion causing a lot of world developers to have to make a button to turn them all off.
not to mention the mirrors duplicate those drawcalls and if i remember clearly the distortion is still on them in the mirror.
jovial grail
I'm just trying to get the ability to make an avatar
halcyon ingot
You just have to make sure you're playing actively on a vrchat account.
No other real way to speed it up
small wing
@jovial grail dont play in public instances
it will hurt your chances of getting approved because people maliciously vote kick users
halcyon ingot
I've seen it happen once in 8 months, but you do you
small wing
happened to me 3 times in a week one time
vocal shard
okay buddy
small wing
so i just go private
i had one guy vote kick me in my friends world that he made just because i blocked him for interrupting my conversation with an animation override.
long story short, i wasnt the one who got kicked that day.
felt good.
@vocal shard that was some real edgy hours
he got so mad too lmao
@vocal shard is that a picture of doom guy doing the shuffle?
i wanna see this in all its full res glory pls
vocal shard
inner cape
north axle
I'm trying to remember if we have any active community members with VR who scream a lot and absolutely hate Knuckles.
If you know any famous people like that, let me know.
vocal shard
About the whole messaging thing you can actually send messages on the website! (I dont think anyone was ever told about it but its simple to do) Just go to the persons profile on the site and add /message to the end of the link :p
Just note you have to be friends with the person to send them messages ^^