Honestly, for money like 500 or 2000, I could learn how to model stuff myself.
#vrchat-general-2
polar jasper
Create a account .
vocal shard
i have both
polar jasper
Then play on the VRC account
vocal shard
wots the diff
quiet prawn
Rokk 2000-5000 is pretty reasonable for time and effort required in custom 3d modeling, be it for VRC or other uses.
vocal shard
@polar jasper
polar jasper
You get no benefits playing with a Steam account. VRChat accounts gets everything (Uploading avatars, worlds, using private world avatars ect.)
polar jasper
It's worth it.
vocal shard
then howd my friend unlock it on steam
polar jasper
You can't upload custom avatars/worlds with steam account.
vocal shard
nani
turbid agate
I must have a different sense of money, i usually offer like 30-40% less for any commissions of equal quality but i also rarely deal in vrc commission
vocal shard
@polar jasper so i have to play for a few hours on the vrc acc
polar jasper
Yes. But if you keep playing with a steam account you won't get any of these benefits, so not really a difficult choice.
acoustic obsidian
oof a cuck jsut stole my avatar
polar jasper
I did tell you.
polar jasper
I told you to play on a VRChat account.
polar jasper
ruby needle
vocal shard
It doesnt take long to unlock it. I played like 3 hours and I was able to upload avatars
i played like 5 on steam
only to be told cannot
;-;
It depends on how many people block/kick/mute/friend you
Steam users cant upload their avatars
also
As i heard devs are not really going to let steam users upload avatars/worlds anytime
ruby needle
Steam is just Guest accounts
vocal shard
why does my avatar show a red translucent guy
ruby needle
if you like the game you should switch as fast as possible 
vocal shard
i switched alr
Good ^~^ patpat
why is my avatar a red translucent guy
Maybe hes angry?
np
no
like
Ik what are u talking about but i dont know how to fix it, id say to reupload the ava but if u got it from pedestral then re-select it
or use diff one
oh ok
wait then why can they be loaded on steam and not vrc
acc
wait @polar jasper so after i unlock the avatars i can go back to steam?
polar jasper
No
median basalt
If your avatar is red and translucent, the servers are having issues, or the avatar is broken.
Steam accounts are guest accounts.
You can't upload stuff to them, and that will probably never change
polar jasper
Could be bad connection or your cache.
vocal shard
like it loads multiple times
@polar jasper does the vrc acc and steam acc share servers? cause for steam acc i barely see these red guys but for vrc acc i see them all the time
polar jasper
!cleancache
floral flaxBOT
You can clean cache by deleting the vrchat folder within C:\Users\%Username%\AppData\LocalLow\VRChat
still lark
wait what
polar jasper
Error map? What folder did you delete?
vocal shard
vrchat
polar jasper
The folder in LocalLow or inside LocalLow/VRChat?
vocal shard
LocalLow/VRChat
ruby needle
no
\
just paste %AppData%\..\LocalLow\VRChat into the explorer bar and hit enter
maybe also clear %TEMP%\VRChat
vocal shard
done the %AppData%..\LocalLow\VRChat
humble kernel
If you are new to Unity And When you try and publish some thing it say you must play the game longer how long is That? Really Want To Make Custom Avatars Any Help would Be Greatly Apricated.
ruby needle
time isn't the factor at all
Becoming verified by the trust system is based on reaching a certain trust score, which's exact algorithm is unknown to prevent exploitation.
You presumably need to play the game in a normal manner with your VRChat account, walking around, meeting people and also making some friends. Idling won't help.
According to many responses in this discord the typical time this takes seems to roughly be 20-40 hours but big exceptions are possible.
Make sure you are not using a steam account because those can not be verified and continue playing the game until you get a notification or e-mail.
http://help.vrchat.com/knowledge_base/topics/why-cant-i-upload-avatars-or-worlds-yet
humble kernel
Ok Thanks Man Vey apricated
ruby burrow
When I first started playing, I had my verification come very quickly, after just a 4 hour and an 8 hour session. First session was spent bouncing around over a dozen avatar maps, and adding one friend by the end of it. second session was spent traveling around with my brothers friend group, adding about 9 people and visiting various maps.
obsidian pagoda
servers taking big shit
true sky
when checking the friends list, everyone shows as the red question mark
vivid ridge
Yeah somethings going on, if I load VR CHat in VR, I end up with a blakc screen
I Can start it in desktop mode, but no friends show up at all
sterile drift
Same here, I started noticing when I couldn't load an avatar on my list
still lark
@true sky Hey pal. 😉
still lark
Been in here for awhile
true sky
🤷
ember coral
i think server down
still lark
Surprised you remember me. :P
true sky
i havent forgotten yet 😛
karmic talon
Ofc servers go down right when I want to play
true sky
while the servers are down, might as well add more stuff to the map 😛
still lark
Ouch
true sky
just redone an easteregg to the map 😛
shut sage
i need someone who can figure this out all i want to do is have my own avatar it wont let me upload cus i just got it pls dm me if you think you can help
vocal shard
If your account is new, You just need to play vrchat for a while. Once the system gets a bit of a read on you, and think that you're safe to uploaded, you will get an email and tou can upload
shut sage
big ol oof
modern orbit
guys who can help? #avatar-rigging
rough pulsar
Oh no, don't tempt me to try.
I already have unity 5.6.3xf1 and the VRCSDK working on linux
rough pulsar
I guess I'm gonna find out sometime.
I mean, I first played Portal through Wine with absolutely no problems, surprisingly. And this was back in 2009 or something.
Wine has come a long way since then.
vocal shard
Hello
Im very attractive to this game
My goal in this game is to get a waifu
Its hard :c
Lifes hard in vrchat
vocal shard
Ur right
vocal shard
Oh god ur a genius
Update: realised my visual studio was messed up :(
I see alot of sugar daddys in vrchat
I seen stuff u wont belive
Its crazy
U haven't seen me get ;)
true sky
ive seen avatars i cannot unsee
true sky
like the knuckles that crashes you
vocal shard
;-;
true sky
you dont want to know what it looks like
what most skin snatchers use when you call them out
vocal shard
Because its for the elite 😎
How do they get so hot skins
Its like too hot almost
Probs avatar worlds
Where is this place
true sky
or custom avatar 😛
vocal shard
For some reason i cant press enter in search bar
true sky
if your frame rate is really bad, its a known problem
vocal shard
How do u edit performance for the game system like graphics
true sky
#potatopclife
vocal shard
Hold shift when launching vrchat
It will open the graphics menu
Oh
Thanks
I switched account from steam to vrchat and now I'm not allowed to publish anything
Can I contact someone abt this issue or no:(?
umbral reef
Read the pinned msg in this channel
vocal shard
Big rip
vocal shard
I hope it won't take a long time
calm path
What is the name of the world with twister in it? I want to try it in full body with some friends. Can't remember the name. I was like a Japanese style classroom with twister and one other game it could switch to.
vocal shard
nice!
calm path
A few months ago can't find it again. Searching for twister yielded no results.
floral aspen
did you look in the recent section of the worlds menu? It shows a list of worlds you've been to before
floral aspen
have you checked deviantart? Maybe bowlroll?
finite kraken
i am gonna try and upload a world what is the average size of an avatar so i can measure using a cube
ruby needle
drag the default avatar onto the szene
its in the SDK folder some where
its hight ist 180cm if im not wrong (on a 1:1:1 scale)
finite kraken
oh that would work
rough pulsar
A cube in unity is 1 meter along each edge.
torn condor
im still waiting to get authorised to
for* making models and i have a few questions?
ruby needle
is mentally prepared
vocal shard
hey ive got a quick question for anyone who knows the answer
ivory folio
42
vocal shard
how do you make a zone so if someone steps in, the things around them turn a different color?
like a blue shader
torn condor
- what does the SDK mean by get to know the program? and what program do they mean? 2. how long is the average wait time (if anyone knows)?
ruby needle
Becoming verified by the trust system is based on reaching a certain trust score, which's exact algorithm is unknown to prevent exploitation.
You presumably need to play the game in a normal manner with your VRChat account, walking around, meeting people and also making some friends. Idling won't help.
According to many responses in this discord the typical time this takes seems to roughly be 20-40 hours but big exceptions are possible.
Make sure you are not using a steam account because those can not be verified and continue playing the game until you get a notification or e-mail.
http://help.vrchat.com/knowledge_base/topics/why-cant-i-upload-avatars-or-worlds-yet
floral aspen
maybe use an on enter trigger?
torn condor
@ruby needle thank you that cleared up a lot 😃
blazing badger
so i tried out wearing the vive tracker but everytime when i load a new avatar, either the avatar is slanted or just stuck in a horizontal "V" position
i also fidgted with the device as well
ruby needle
Many Avatars are not FBT optimized and you need to recalibrate for each
blazing badger
rough pulsar
@blazing badger It's a good idea to do a calibration check with Y-Bot (default avatars list) to see if things work right, as that one is known to work properly.
blazing badger
ic
sleek pecan
anybody else use/make rayman like avatars? with a detached head/hands/feet?
finite kraken
how do i make a FBX file like a prop and collide with the player when in a world?
turbid agate
is anyone else experienceing slow loading today?
Seems like VRChat is, for me and some friends are unusually slow today
sleek pecan
@finite kraken add a collider and rigidbody. then its up to people to have colliders and rigidbodys on thier avatars
finite kraken
ooof i added colliders but idk about rigefbody
uncut trail
red gazelle
If someone stole someone's account, where do they email or message for help?
ruby needle
red gazelle
Thanks!
ruby needle
tho if "someone" stole "someones" account then "someone" has to do it 
red gazelle
I know, they're emailing, I'm only getting the email
finite kraken
Can I edit my name plate?
finite kraken
Like in my avatar I can make a tamplate to put with my name plate like how staff members use staff next to their name or like when some folks make it hidden
finite kraken
Well I wanted to add a border tint to to match my avatars theme
So if I see anyone with avatars that make name plates disappear can I report them and get removed? Because their a public world that has avatars like that
ruby needle
i am not 100% certain on it
finite kraken
No, it’s not allowed seems more a solid answer then a I’m not 100% sure
ruby needle
dont forgett the part in the end
"afaik" always has a part of "not 100% sure" in it... at least for me
cus why else would use it?
if you 100% know it then it doesn't have to be addet.
finite kraken
Fair response
gray imp
Pls bully me so i can faster kill myself
vocal shard
Same
languid compass
anyone have a solution to why my Oculus HDMI port connection isn't working?
Rebooted my computer many times and replugged it
ruby needle
This channel is not really the right one for that, but is it new?
limber valley
Is the entire vrchat experience slow for anyone. Like uploading an avatar or logging in when starting the game?
median basalt
@languid compass is it just the HDMI or also the USB?
You might be plugging it into the wrong HDMI port
Try the lower one on your GPU and not the one on your motherboard
ruby needle
also dont use Display Port adapters
cus chances for it to work are lower then the new patch getting released within the next hour
raw sequoia
I’m getting “Could not log in- Unauthorized”
ruby needle
try changing your password
ruby needle
slow downloads? could be temporary issues
ocean shadow
seems like it
vocal shard
anyone have any good avatar world recommendations? Ones that have effects preferably
vocal shard
Depends, anime or not
atomic stream
How long my avatar creator is allowed? (on Unity app)
ruby needle
vocal shard
yo guys should i get a playstation vr although i dont have a playstation , if not please give me some other vr ones to buy , vive and oculus r way too expensive and i have a kinect sensor
ruby needle
oh hell no
why on eath would you even consider getting a console headset for PC
the lowest end would be WMR headsets, if you are from the US they can be considered chep
but be warned, you need relatively good pc aswell
generally it might be better to save up a bit more and go for the 2 big players tho so either a rift, or vive
vocal shard
from videos they r saying the controllers r shit
ruby needle
gotta look up local prices
here in germany the WMR's are barely worth as they are nearly as much as a rift
vocal shard
which one do i get , my pc is a ASUS
small wing
Is there a rules and guidelines that i can read for uploading avatars into a public world? I want to put out an avatar with a name tag hider on it so people can pretend to be a hat on the ground, but i really want to know what i can do before i go through with the world approval list.
vocal shard
hiding nametag is a no no
vocal shard
core is i7
ruby needle
what cpu
sacred dove
I know this is a little..... rude.... but can someone help me in #avatar-rigging
vocal shard
wait ah
ruby needle
i7 doesnt say anything
vocal shard
yup
ruby needle
forgett vr
vocal shard
i play vr using laptop without issue
small wing
different story with vrchat
vocal shard
in vrchat
small wing
vrchat is cpu intensive
ruby needle
ok lets do the full rundown
and then judge
you cpu, it shoud hate a number after the i7 (not the clock rate)
then your GPU
and how much ram do you have
vocal shard
for example i7 8700k , we want to know what is your 8700k
shit i forgot how to find gpu
vale palm
Has anyone here RMA'd a Refurbished Oculus Rift?
ruby needle
no
vale palm
aside from you! ; P
ruby needle
any letters after the number?
vocal shard
HQ
vocal shard
yea
vocal shard
moniter tab?
vocal shard
inb4 intel integrated...
ruby needle
bingo
vocal shard
):
vocal shard
Called it..
ruby needle
your cpu is not to bad for a laptop and ram also
vocal shard
sorry
ruby needle
but without a decent dedicated GPU you wont be able to enjoy VR
vocal shard
there are ways to connect to a gpu externally
vale palm
There are also ways to eat a soup with a fork
vocal shard
i mean this comp is like 3 years old
winged depot
anyone have any idea what i did wrong? after 5 to 6 uses of text to speech, it never fails to not send the message and then log me out to home... very frustrating
ruby needle
its definitely ok but not for gaming and vr in particular
vocal shard
depends on your laptop though
Tbf... I used to run the dk2 on a 4400... But that was like 13 fps
not for gaming
mine cost like $150 for the external gpu connector
nani
i can run games at like 100+ fps
on max settings
ruby needle
what games
vocal shard
yep
ruby needle
unless you want a slide show... if it even works with integrated devices
vocal shard
not even a half assed graphic card will cut it
hmm
i suppose it will work on my other one then
ruby needle
whats that
vocal shard
i have 2 "gaming laptops"
the one im using is my parents cause they took away my old one
ruby needle
"old" allready nopes to me
vocal shard
Left is the minimum you need for vr... Right is what you got http://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Nvidia-GTX-1050-vs-Intel-HD-4600-Desktop-125-GHz/3650vs2168
ruby needle
and that is just the GPU
ruby needle
dont forgett the CPU in a laptop with VR will run like full power and throttle down to base most likely
even a laptop cooler wont cut it if you do vr
which basically utilizes all you have
ruby needle
there is cheaper ones
but
it requires to have the right connections
and it still requires the GPU
vocal shard
yep
vocal shard
for my case, mine cost around 150
so it is feasible to do that
eh i most likely upgrading to a PC instead on a laptop soon
ruby needle
that is a good idea
ruby needle
unless you want to be on the go
laptops can be capable
but you definitely want one with a dedicated GPU and a decent CPU
vocal shard
oh is the razer blade good enough for vr?
mine is 2018's alienware laptop, so far so good
...
vocal shard
look at the spec
Like if it has a laptop 1050... I wouldn't bother for vr
just the razer blade
ruby needle
which 
ruby needle
yes
but this isn't exactly the thing you should buy
if you ask for "cheap vr"
spending crap ton on laptops but wanting the cheapest vr solution sounds very strange to me
ruby needle
at least
ruby needle
5k o.O
for 5k you can build a absolute beast of pc
get a rift and a vive and fb trackers
vocal shard
not rlly in sg
ruby needle
and use a rift with the vive trackers for the best possible experience
ruby needle
thats not toooo bad
vocal shard
true but im only a student
vocal shard
lol
It's just... For a gaming rig... Do you really need the portability. That's what you're paying almost double for
vocal shard
no
its not that its portable
i need to show my led to others when i am using it at starbucks
its just i dont have the space
vital rune
don't you love it when you're about to get a strike in rock and bowl
vocal shard
loll
vital rune
only to find out that the pins don't even react to being hit at all and gave you a 0 instead
vocal shard
yeah
no i have the space for vr
Specs aside, you pay extra for smaller form factor, and portability
i just dont have enough desk space for the pc
ruby needle
you can build a rather compact pc
you can put it behind the monitor
and have it not be too large
(asuming you have no space below desk)
vocal shard
Or you could buy an all in on(BAM) gets shot for even joking like that
ruby needle
you have the choise to put it behind the monitor or if its not deep enogh to put it below with a case designed for this kind of things
... i just noticed this is general
vocal shard
Lol
grim fulcrum
Yo, what's this about not being able to change avatars in private worlds or whatever?
Haven't played in a while
vocal shard
if you mean you can't take the avatar from the private world, you just didn't have the right yet
you have to play more to get it
grim fulcrum
Interesting
still lark
Do more to get the ability to get avatars in private worlds
vocal shard
kind of like the upload stuff
grim fulcrum
I played the game a lot back in like, january
still lark
On a VRC Account?
grim fulcrum
yep
still lark
Oh actually, you would've missed the legacy user stuff.
grim fulcrum
when was that?
grim fulcrum
so how much would you have to play
fading owl
good question
vocal shard
Basically,world jumping , add friends, talk a lot. Afk doesn't count, i have heard that using vr to move around helps too but idk about that.
That and talking with your mic
still lark
Pay to win users
Old man shakes fist at cloud comic here
vocal shard
i have friends who got it under 6 hours
fading owl
Just have fun playing Vrchat tbh
fading owl
not sure why some people have problems with it
vocal shard
my friends without vr have got it within 6 hours, he talks alot and added like 50 friends
as for me , i got it after 150 hours 
grim fulcrum
I think that's about how many hours I have logged lol
past mural
still lark
Hiya
grim fulcrum
Well thanks
past mural
I have 150 hours in 4 weeks 
vocal shard
👀
grim fulcrum
Yeah I don't plan on playing that much lmao
past mural
Well depends on what you are playing it for
vocal shard
just spam friend request and talk in mic
past mural
I just join to cuddle with friends
I can stay in place cuddling someone for 3 to 4 hours without doing much so
vocal shard
i spent most of my time as a mute, and suffered the consequences
torn whale
Yeah, people don't interact with you much if you don't /can't talk. My mic stopped working for a bit yesterday, and it was so frustrating not being able to communicate at all.
Kind of wish there was a text option, at least for short messages.
fading owl
i run around showing off my memes 
torn whale
Even if it's just to tell people your mic broke, lol
fading owl
there is
its undocumented and not intended to be found but apparently some people dug up a chat feature
torn whale
Oh. Interesting! Would be nice to have that as an actual feature. I would feel weird using it if it wasn't intended.
When I (very briefly) used to play Second Life with my friends, it was convenient to have a global chat with them to arrange meet ups, or just let them know what's going on if I couldn't use the mic /was not in the same world as them.
fading owl
not sure in which channel but there was quite the discussion
pms would be very handy, yes
vocal shard
i am sure a lot of people will be against it
fading owl
or a discord integration
vocal shard
but i would love to have that
fading owl
why would you be against it though
vocal shard
because it essentially defeats the purpose of vrchat
and make it another second life
fading owl
hmmm
i dont think so tbh
anyway
im more hyped for the next patch =w=
youtube search panel 
torn whale
Which is why I specified short messages, just quick texts
I don't really think full blown text conversations are a great idea
fading owl
or a friend broadcast would be nice
like, youre playing a map, you send a broadcast whod like to join
torn whale
Even if it's just to say where you are in a world or something
I wish there was an easier way than just wandering around looking for my friends, lol
A global chat option would be nice as a friends only thing, being able to communicate with your friends across the map
Would be chaos if it wasn't restricted to friends though, lol
sleek bone
Is anyone willing to play vrchat with me
Wanna go to big brother’s dungeon with s partner
fading owl
I would but i cant =w=
torn whale
I'm in bed right now, sorry
Speaking of dungeon, a couple friends and I went to some horror puzzle thing and oh man was it frustrating
Not the puzzle itself but just losing track of each other when we weren't all in the same room
sleek bone
Same
The first one
Is really intense
The frustration is actually where the fun is
torn whale
One of us had to respawn a couple times, so we kinda just had to wait and wonder if he was stuck or almost caught up to us
I don't mean frustration at the puzzle itself, the puzzle was actually kind of fun. I'm not even into horror stuff.
fading owl
Lyeco
sleek bone
Yes
fading owl
its called Big brothers Hideout =w=
sleek bone
Oh
fading owl
the first part was a dungeon
sleek bone
Sorry
fading owl
=3=
np
but yeah
probs wait a bit longer for the v1.1 update
new content for the map
sleek bone
Oof
atomic stream
#vrchat-pictures idk how to....
torn whale
Hopefully we get more communication options in the future. I don't want to have it be all text chat but options for little messages here and there would be nice.
torn whale
Are you using the VRChat account? And not the steam login?
fading owl
they are
sleek bone
You mean more communication options for desktop users?
fading owl
but it says in their pic
atomic stream
i did use vrchat accaunt
torn whale
Ah
sleek bone
Umbra?
torn whale
Well, desktop and headset
I think it could apply to both
I just mean that I wish there was a way to tan to friends that aren't right next to you or in a different world
sleek bone
You have to use a controller to use the headset
fading owl
nope
atomic stream
@fading owl i did use vrchat account
torn whale
Voice, text, whichever
fading owl
u can use headset with an xbox controller or keyboard =w=
torn whale
Just some sort of global chat not dependent on distance would be good
sleek bone
This means it’ll be difficult to use text options for headset users
vocal shard
as much as i hate third party client
1 of their feature is actually good if tweaked a bit
cold talon
I mean they can use the virtual keyboard
vocal shard
imagine being able to teleport next to your friend
fading owl
@atomic stream You havent played VRChat for long enough / scroll up please people talk about this topic literally everyday
torn whale
I just think global voice chat might be awkward sometimes if you're already talking to someone in - world, and a friend is trying to message you from elsewhere, lol
fading owl
If we get a messaging system they should redo the keyboard
in a fashion recroom did it
with pushable buttons
its so easy to misspell on the current keyboard
torn whale
Being able to go where your friend is would be good, that solves half the problem of needing global chat in the first place, lol
Because some worlds are dang huge and it takes forever to look for them even when you're in the right place
torn whale
That too
Not to compare it to SL again, but I do remember using the maps there often
Just something to be able to find people more easily, lol
fading owl
Magic Monkey has actually built a whole toolbar with a functioning map that has uses a camera high up above you and it works amazingly well
youre a red dot on your map
and other players are differently colored dots
even that would be enough
torn whale
Mhm
I think SL gave your friends a different color from yourself and others, might be useful in crowded areas
I may be misremembering though
Anyways, lots of good ways to solve the problems I think. But for now it's just a sort of wish list for me, lol.
fading owl
Before they do social features they somehow gotta kick the model stealers out of their game
but thats easily said...
torn whale
Yeah, I'd definitely put that on priority.
That's just creepy how people can steal your hard work
fading owl
but tbh its also sorta unity's fault
torn whale
And it sucks not being able to show off your best avatars for fear of having them stolen.
I'm working on my first one still, and I feel kind of bad that I'm not really trying my best with it, just in case someone ends up taking it :/
Oh, how so ?
fading owl
i wont explain how models can be taken at runtime but yeah
vrchat cant really do that much about it
torn whale
Ah, that sucks.
still lark
runtime? that's a whole lot of effort
fading owl
not really
never done it tho, no need to
i do my own stuff
=w=
put max effort into my avatars even if they may be stolen
torn whale
I want to put more effort into my avatars as I get better, and just show them to friends
fading owl
I even had some fun with a model stealer once, i had an avatar with a screaming gesture, they stole it and we were screaming at eachother for straight 5 minutes, until both of us broke up into laughter
i didnt care about them stealing it
i had fun
vocal shard
I do
torn whale
Most random people probably wouldn't know who the characters are anyway since some of them are either OCs or just not popular
fading owl
@vocal shard im not saying you shouldnt care but i dont
torn whale
But it would suck to see my work stolen, especially oc avatars
vocal shard
Not only that, some of my assets on the avatar cost real money
still lark
That's the choice you make
torn whale
Having a commissioned avatar get stolen must also suck
vocal shard
it is not my choice to have it stolen
torn whale
I would report people who did it, even if it's just to prevent others from getting stolen from.
I'm not saying you have to, I'm just saying I would if it happened to me.
But other than reporting there's not much to be done, I'm guessing?
fading owl
yeah but the conditions you have to fit for an actual report are just annoying
i cannot record a video simply because my cpu cant handle it
torn whale
Ah, true, same here
fading owl
it also often happens way too quickly
torn whale
Like yesterday I caught someone crashing others, but couldn't get a video in time. just screenshots of their avatar being bright and irritating
And yeah it happened very quickly
They made one of my friends crash twice in a row
rough pulsar
If someone comes along and copies your avatar off you, reporting them usually just needs your output log and some other basic info.
torn whale
Ah. I haven't learned how to get the output logs yet. I should look into that.
rough pulsar
!outputlog
floral flaxBOT
You can find your output log at C:\Users\%Username%\AppData\LocalLow\VRChat named vrchat;outputlog.txt
torn whale
Oh!
I'll have a look next time I'm at my PC, then. Thank you!
I'm in bed on my phone at the moment
torn whale
Thorough! That's good
vocal shard
not sure if they got banned though, that ticks me off the most
fading owl
i still wont report, i just dont care 
but thats my choice
vocal shard
yeah
torn whale
Yeah, it's probably frustrating not to know the outcome or if it was looked at
I don't know how reports work yet, haven't made any
vocal shard
i wouldn't go zealot about your choice unless you are telling me stealing avatar is not wrong
like some idiots in reddit not too long ago
torn whale
Yikes
vocal shard
dw
torn whale
I dunno
As an "artist" (I'm not very good but I try, lol), stealing other people's creative work really gets to me, I guess? I dunno
vocal shard
i was just trying to say you are entitled for your own thought, and i wouldn't have any opinion unless you have the thought which i mentioned
rough pulsar
A report generally goes
1: shit happens
2: grab supporting material (screenshots, output log, etc)
3: write email to mod email & attach stuff
4: block the user because they're clearly up to no good.
torn whale
Ah. Sounds simple enough.
Well, I should head to bed (well, head to sleep... I'm already in bed, haha). I keep staying up too late...
Night, all!
vocal shard
night
rough pulsar
Goodnight :D
halcyon kestrel
Being able to be your fav. Character is a dream come true!
tacit plank
Finally I can be a little girl
north axle
I might be too much of an audiophile, but having the looks of a character without the required voice just doesn't work for me.
AFAIK, there's not a single voice changer that doesn't suck.
fiery moth
I have the rig to record video, but it doesn't help against crashers usually or people you can't even tell who are abusing shaders to show porn, etc. @fading owl
This report system is extremely flawed, & with the number of people you'd have to report daily, its practically useless how it is, right now
tacit plank
An in-game report button would really help
vocal shard
for shader abuse, i usually just block anyone i suspected, if the shader disappeared immediately after i block someone, that might be a proof
The output log should show who is activating the shader anyway
dusky moss
does anyone know why the vrchat interface isn't tethered to the camera's point of view rather than world-based like it is now? Cuz as it is now its really like if you are forced to move, like during a fall, it just jitters a lot.
lilac swan
I would imagine if the menu was tied to your viewpoint then it would be super annoying to navigate it for vr users.
shy nest
if it was tethered to the camera i probably wouldnt continue to play
dusky moss
@lilac swan I think this is one of those typical things that should be configurable.. I for one highly dislike that when my avatar moves a lot I can't select an avatar cuz the menu doesn't respond due it jumping all over the place.. And yea I didn't mean tethered as it i'll rotate along with cam view.. I meant just tethered on coordinates.. so you move, the menu moves along with you. If you rotate, it wouldn't rotate with you
lilac swan
I'm pretty sure it's a bug that you even can move when your menu is open in desktop mode. That is not the case when in vr, you stay put no matter what (unless you physically move around)
median basalt
If you get jerked around because you're in a moving chair, the menu does stay in place
It's basically spawned in world space and your own position is generally locked
tacit plank
If you open your menu while falling, you will continue falling
With your menu lagging behind you more and more, sometimes you can press respawn if you're quick and kind of lucky
north axle
Not in VR.
median basalt
I think you're talking about two different menus
The quick menu in your hand is very glitchy when you're falling or otherwise moving without using the control stick/touchpad
On desktop, it also stays where it is when you pressed escape
The full menu (Worlds, Avatar, Social) should freeze you and itself in place, but if you still get moved somehow, the menu doesn't move with you.
So if you're falling really quickly and stuck in a teleport loop, it might be impossible to press respawn.
tacit plank
The expanded menu that you see if you click on worlds/avatar/social?
median basalt
Yeah, the expanded menu is what I mean with full menu
That one stays in place and you can still move your physical body in VR
But the quick menu in your hand lags behind you a lot
tacit plank
Oh, I haven't tried opening it while falling
median basalt
If you open the full menu while falling you just freeze in place in the air. Can be useful.
tacit plank
But it's very difficult to click it when falling
tacit plank
In my world you can sometimes fall 30-40 seconds nonstop
median basalt
This was back when avatar chairs were a thing
I sat in someone's chair and they sat in mine
If you can fall for that long, maybe you need to raise the respawn height
Unless that's not possible due to there actually being something down there
tacit plank
I just have some platforms which are far above the terrain
median basalt
Reminds me of the golf world
tacit plank
The terrain is pretty big, so it was difficult to place platforms accurately in Unity, and I missed by a few kilometers
median basalt
Ah, lmao
tacit plank
You can also sit in thairs and have others throw them with a 25 times throw boost
Somebody threw me about a quarter of the map, took more than a minute before I collided with anything
vocal shard
Never notice when someone on vrchat starts singing, they never stop... like EVER
finite kraken
so i add weapon trails and VRchat won't let me upload it
sullen aspen
Can confirm. Will never stop singing.
still lark
@finite kraken Scripts? Scripts aren't allowed.
vocal shard
What vr headset do you guys think is the best for vrchat?
I'm thinking of buying one this year
Samsung Odyssey looks good but idk
Lack of external trackers might ruin it
rough pulsar
Pretty much any of the PC VR systems are good for VRChat.
The best is hard to say, as they all have their ups and downs.
finite kraken
shit
vocal shard
Yeah, VR is still in it's early stages
finite kraken
how can i add weapon trails? because even the pre fab is using scripts?
rough pulsar
@vocal shard
Vive/Vive Pro for tracking quality and max playspace size, Pro for increased resolution. Downsides: Current controllers are a bit wank. The most expensive.
Oculus Rift for a good quality-price balance. Currently better controllers. Downsides: Tracking isn't quite as good as the Vive (damn close though), smaller max play space size, requires third camera for roomscale on par with Vive.
Windows Mixed Reality for low cost (when they go on sale, they go on sale.), good resolution, very easy setup (no external sensors), portability if your VR system is portable.
Downsides: Loses tracking easily, can't accurately track out of your field of view (does so via algorithmic estimation), most HMDs use LCD displays so poor contrast compared to OLED ones. Controllers feel cheap and flimsy.
median basalt
Oculus Rift is my go-to because of the controllers
WMR is you get what you pay for, which is still pretty decent for the low price you can pick it up for
Vive is currently overpriced for my tastes, especially because the controllers aren't very good and they all break in the same way after X time
Whether you prefer touchpads or control sticks is preference
rough pulsar
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DgaZ-RXU8AEX6Ve.jpg
But the Vive (and any other lighthouse tracked HMD) will be getting these whenever Valve release them soooo...
median basalt
Oculus doesn't have full body as easily though
The knuckles controllers look almost exactly like the Oculus Touch controllers lol
Except maybe improved
rough pulsar
They surpass them in finger detection.
massively
To the point people say it's unfair to even compare them.
median basalt
We'll have to see how long it takes for games to catch up to the technology
Because I'm getting the feeling VRChat will be among the only games to make full use out of the finger tracking
If they even support it in any decent time frame
rough pulsar
More and more developers are getting them
vocal shard
You're looking at the Samsung odyssey? I use WMR. It's decent for the price, and for simulators, I'd go with the Odyssey. But for VRChat, you're going to want those touch controllers. I'd recommend the rift if you're willing to spending that much
rough pulsar
I know at least one of the vrc devs has a set.
median basalt
Not surprising
ruby needle
@rough pulsar the vive having better tracking is a myth unless you really have big spaces which oculus is not rated for or only use 2 sensors.
You also forgott that the Rift comes with Audio and a good mix and has the better Lenses Compared to the non pro.
modern sand
Every single person i know with a rift has lost tracking at some point, never heard that from a vive user
one of my lighthouse turned off while playing, and i didn't notice for an hour
ruby needle
i heard one works rather well too yeah
median basalt
I have never had any issues with lost tracking
My friend's Vive lost tracking when it became too hot
ruby needle
Also forgott a very important thing
Vive's controllers have a rechargable battery that once its out... you have a problem
median basalt
Oh yeah
I just bought rechargeable batteries for my Touch controllers, I never have to stop playing to charge or anything
vocal shard
It's interesting how the Vive lighthouses have a spinning thing inside of them, at like 3600 rpm. Wooooosshh
lol
rough pulsar
Except the vive has a USB port on the HMD itself which if you really want to, you can charge from.
vocal shard
kinda nitpicking now... Lol
median basalt
That sounds like a disaster waiting to happen
ruby needle
assuming you dont use it for a headset allready
and you want cables to all of your controllers
median basalt
The Rift's headphones are bad though
They break a lot
I just use my own headphones
ruby needle
they are not Bad
rough pulsar
Disaster? the spinning of the lighthouse motors or? @median basalt
median basalt
They sound good but there are vast swathes of pages about people's Rift headphones giving out
By disaster, I mean having all those extra cables flying around
ruby needle
ofc
median basalt
Mine gave out within the first week
L/R audio would constantly switch for no reason
ruby needle
median basalt
Still not sure if it was my rift or my HDMI port
ruby needle
the only issue i had with it was a lose contact cus the screw losened
tied it back up and its perfect
median basalt
Yeah, I had that issues too except it lost contact even when screwed in super tight
rough pulsar
@vocal shard What I find most amazing about lighthouse is how their prototypes were literally laser units strapped onto stripped down HDDs.
median basalt
I should re-test it with my new PC and hope I didn't break the fragile things
ruby needle
i belive its a big factor how oyu handle it
vocal shard
@rough pulsar Mad scientists. lol
ruby needle
like, if you put it laying on a desk and onto the hadphones all the time
or hang it up on a holder or something
rough pulsar
Alan Yates is an incredible person. ❤
rough pulsar
My vive pro sits on a nice soft carpet.
Also with headphones removed because on-ear headphones give me a headache. :<
median basalt
I wouldn't recommend the Vive Pro for personal use
rough pulsar
Why not?
vocal shard
Increased resolution ?
median basalt
Too expensive for what you get
rough pulsar
Other than cost
median basalt
The cost is a perfectly valid reason not to recommend something
Unless it's worth the price
rough pulsar
Well it's a case of if you can't afford it don't get it.
modern sand
Resolution and comfort was worth the price for me
median basalt
I've also heard complaints that it's too bright
ruby needle
something beein worth it is a personal interpretation tho
vocal shard
A deciding factor when choosing between Vive and Oculus: The controllers. The former you will hold "sticks", the later you will hold... your hands ? lol
ruby needle
people with much money couldn't care less about price differences
rough pulsar
that's the first I've ever heard of complaints about display brightness
median basalt
Even if you have a lot of money, you still need to spend it wisely
rough pulsar
True, and nobody is in any position to tell someone else how wise their purchases are or aren't.
median basalt
True, I was just saying that if someone has a lot of money, that doesn't mean they will always get the priciest thing they can afford
vocal shard
I went Rift cause: 1. I'm a peasant 2. Controllers, with actual sticks, that fits in hands.
modern sand
Will you switch to vive once the knuckles come out ?
rough pulsar
And with VR stuff, the key thing is to try before you buy.
I kinda wanted a vive pro, but until I was able to try one I wasn't going to get one because eeehehehe.
median basalt
I wouldn't switch to the Vive, that would be too expensive for me to justify
ruby needle
the Knuckles are actually not that much more promissing if you already have the touch
you'll have the battery problem again
and from what i have seen, it does barely provide much advantages over the touch
vocal shard
@modern sand Probably won't, mostly because what I got is good enough for my needs. I have doubts about the knuckles controller too.
rough pulsar
So, full hand presence, all the existing features of the touch and then some more aren't 'much'?
ruby needle
what more arere there except better hand sensing
vocal shard
i like the fact that they just kinda stick to your hand if your hands are open
median basalt
@rough pulsar what you just said can be condensed down to "full hand presence"
vocal shard
They still use the freaking touchpads on the knuckles controllers. >.<
median basalt
Because "all the existing features of the Touch" is already included in the Touch
raven silo
@vocal shard there joystick on new one
median basalt
He means that the jump from Touch to Knuckles is small, which is true
vocal shard
Knuckes track all fingers, fully from open to closed, and is pressure sensitive for the grip.
ruby needle
touch also has basic hand sensing which is not to forgett
vocal shard
...
median basalt
It's two or three extra fingers and the ability to squeeze the controller rather than the grip.
vocal shard
why won't steam make their own steam hmd?
@raven silo Well... that's a massive improvement lol
median basalt
Yeah, I prefer sticks over touchpads
ruby needle
ofc
vocal shard
they have steam vr and the knuckles, an hmd shouldn't be too bad
median basalt
There's a reason the Touch didn't bother to track your pinky finger or whatever
raven silo
jagged ledge
🤔
median basalt
It's because you still need to hold the controller
vocal shard
If I want touchpads, I will play stuff on a tablet. lol
median basalt
Why add pinky tracking if you need to shift to an awkward grip to begin with
ruby needle
if they would have sticked to touchpads it would have been still the worse controller
median basalt
A much better improvement over the Touch would be that full finger tracking thing
vocal shard
analogs> touchpads
vocal shard
^^isn't that basically leap motion
rough pulsar
@vocal shard there's vague quiet sounds in the distance that such a thing could happen.
Gabe Newell said in an interview a while ago how jealous valve are of nintendo and how their hardware and software departments work so closely together and how they would like to get into hardware manufacturing.
vocal shard
Gamecube joystick > touchpads. XD
rough pulsar
Controllerless tracking is good for when you don't need to virtually move. Otherwise it's a pain in the tits.
ruby needle
yes
vocal shard
valve definitely should manufacture more hardware
valve!?
i own a steam controller and it's amazing
ruby needle
free hand tracking is gonna be interesting once we have a nice endless moving solution like the omnidirectional threadmill
vocal shard
o0
what is it for?
And then a third party releases some gloves "controllers" and all the other controllers become obsolete.
rough pulsar
Yeah, they're two technologies that kinda need each other whenever it comes to large virtual spaces.
median basalt
Gloves would be a dream IMO
vocal shard
imo a glove would probably beat both of them
raven silo
glove controller need a treadmill
median basalt
However, I feel like gloves would be inferior for shooters.
ruby needle
third party things are a big issue with vr
they need to form a standart else its not gonna work
vocal shard
controllerless tracking + some vibration/buttons on the gloves themselves
median basalt
With either the Vive wands or Touch controllers, you feel like you're actually holding a gun or a sword. That is decidedly not the case with gloves.
vocal shard
@median basalt Maybe an additional "grip" for gun games.
median basalt
Yeah, that would be cool
rough pulsar
OpenVR and SteamVR is trying to solve that with their skeletal input API.
rough pulsar
Since for input in VR, the standard is the human hand, so abstracting the controller out of the picture, so all the game gets is a hand skeleton is the way to deal with third party input devices.
ruby needle
@median basalt the touch controller can be hold really loose tho
vocal shard
seems like a big pain in the ass to wash the teslasuit though
rough pulsar
ruby needle
well you said that it always feels like you're holding a gun or a sword
with the wand definitely
the touch is not too bad due to its design
vocal shard
@median basalt You can hold them with just the thumb and side of the index finger.
rough pulsar
The knuckles you don't even have to hold. Don't forget the hand strap.
vocal shard
oculus touch is a good controller
meanwhile WMR controllers feels like sticks
@rough pulsar I wonder how much pressure the attaching mechanism will exert on the hands
ruby needle
its still attached to your hand and youll feel that
rough pulsar
Oh god the WMR controllers
I'm surprised a stray fart hasn't blown mine to bits yet
vocal shard
yeah, that shape is really weird
rough pulsar
For a bit yeah. Then you won't. Just like how you (I'm so sorry for this) don't notice the feeling of your clothes on your skin after a while.
Until some asshole reminds you. 😉
raven silo
next verison knuckles should have changeable battery pack lol
ruby needle
depending on the preassure
vocal shard
Good old double AA. yolo screw the environment. Or buy Eneloops. lol
ruby needle
if its just very loose and a basic holding then you might be ableto blend it out quickly
but its it a tight fit to also hold in terms of quick movement / trows then you'll always have a dent after taking em off
vocal shard
knuckles look clunky as hell
raven silo
@vocal shard you know them shakeable flash light(torch) that charge up when you shake them
they should add that to the controllerl ol
vocal shard
...
ruby needle
it wont be worth at all
you idea is propably so that it charges up during play
but it wont be anything close to beeing effective
ruby needle
vocal shard
At least we are in an era where we have small batteries. Imagine if we were still stuck in backpack sized batteries. O.o
Like those massive first gen GPS
vocal shard
I have the ultimate idea !: Nuclear cells ! 😄
lol
why dont we just do it like those animes where your consciousness goes in game instead of vr? 🤔
Plug us all to the Matrix
raven silo
need understand how the brain work lol
vocal shard
i wouldn't want it
raven silo
problem we all have bad internet
ruby needle
@vocal shard cus thats not gonna happen
vocal shard
And hackers wouldn't be "fun"
vocal shard
lol hackers too
ruby needle
even if we might get to a point where we can have the technology
its not consumer safe
like really
it isnt
unfortunately
vocal shard
Hack physics, make gravity 10 times the gravity of Jupiter.
crash your game crash your brain
Too bad reality is harsh :P
ruby needle
from actually damaging you