vrchat-general-2

[ruby needle]

you might wannma look up #tutorials

on how to port MMD's

decimate it, and dont forgett the texture atlas @vital cradle

[vital cradle]

Thx

[vocal shard]

Can you dm me it? if thats ok

[ruby needle]

use google, its not hard to find

[timber hamlet]

I should make my national anthem avatars public

[vocal shard]

How would you go about asking the creators in vr chat for their model?

[hard cedar]

"Hey, do you think I could use your model for (myself/my world/etc)?"

If they are okay with someone using it, you, then they'll give you an answer of yes or whatnot.

An alternative would be learning to make more custom models via blender or whatnot.

[vocal shard]

Is there a way for me to contact them in VR? Sorry I am new and haven't had the chance to be on VR chat much

[hard cedar]

Are you a mute or do you use a mic?

[vocal shard]

I can use a mic

[hard cedar]

You can just use the voice chat to ask then,

[vocal shard]

so i would have to try and catch them online when they are in their world?

[hard cedar]

I'll assume you don't really know what to do to get it working, so if you need any help here is a tutorial: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8yJssyO350

?

You could try adding someone as a friend,

but if it's in a world, couldn't you just put it on?

There's not really any need to have it on your account when you can just get it in the world to where it will stay on until you switch.

[vocal shard]

Oh no no no. I am talking about in public avatar worlds

[hard cedar]

I'm confused,

[vocal shard]

I was talking about asking the creators of public avatars about getting their avatar so I could have it on my own list

Like, so I can switch to it whenever

[hard cedar]

I mean,

if you want one model (until you find another good one), just put it on and don't switch avatars.

Though if you want the actual model,

To contact the person

you'd need to try adding them on VRChat and then going to them if they add you,

or finding them via the VRChat discord (the one we are in now), and trying to contact them there.

Apart from that, you can't really do much.

[vocal shard]

thanks

[vocal shard]

does anyone else here have issues getting the kinect mic to work on vrchat?

i know that sounds crazy to ask but its currently the best mic i have available now lmao

mic works in windows, discord, recordings, etc. but as soon as it gets to vrchat it doesnt work

[serene swift]

[vocal shard]

How many dynamic bones is too many ?

[raven silo]

@vocal shard over 10

[vocal shard]

Right. So selectively pick a few strand of hair, not the entire thing. Or else everyone will scream "LAAAAGG"

lol

[raven silo]

merge some bone togther

cat plugin has way reduce them bone

[vocal shard]

Is it the "bone parenting" feature ?

[raven silo]

it in Optimization Bone merging Tab

[vocal shard]

oh oops

Will give it a try. Cause the model at the moment has like... what ?... 200 bones or something ? lol

[raven silo]

way to many lagg everyone in the room

[vocal shard]

Yeah... there are bones for each hair strand, bones for the underskirt (all around it), bones for the skirt (again all around it), bones for hair ribbons and arm ribbons... it's insane lol

Might have to resort to keep most of the stuff still.

[raven silo]

hair ribbions would just need make 3 bone

covert a skirt into Mesh cloth might be better choice

@vocal shard https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DnX226UdCFw

[vocal shard]

And as a bonus, you get better collision detection on the clothes it seems

[raven silo]

yea work better on skirt

[stone current]

somewhat

^

dynamic bones are more for... dynamic bones

its not really great if its not a bone chain

[raven silo]

if you have nartual skirt movment best use cloth for it

but need make that it own mesh

[vocal shard]

Annnnd.... Blender decides that it was time to crash. lol

[stone current]

ctrl s

[vocal shard]

Thanks, Blender

Yeah always save

lol

[stone current]

probably has autosave tho

u can most likely separate by material

or select linked if its not attached to the entire body

should be easier to split the skirt

[vocal shard]

So it kinda needs to be it's own separate thing.

[stone current]

it doesnt have to but

the cloth thing doesnt work really well if it isnt

and it also gets finnicky and sometimes won't even show the vertices

so ye it should be split

[raven silo]

@vocal shard if you do it right skirt be like this https://i.gyazo.com/5ca3971fd6d95d063536df1b2362a737.png

[vocal shard]

On that pic it looks like rubber a little X)

[raven silo]

colliders need to make sure is trigger checkmark

if you make collider with no check mark you be flying

[vocal shard]

Physics, how does it work ? X)

[raven silo]

cloth is hit the collider on your leg

you need to make collider cylinder on the legs

[vocal shard]

And it should be inside the leg I assume, it should never get out of the leg even a little I guess.

[raven silo]

need adjust enough so look like cloth touch the leg skin

instead going though it

[stone current]

good thing is

u can use other collider types

like capsule

so its not just 2 spheres

[vocal shard]

Which you can't do with dynamic bones I think

[raven silo]

dyanmic bone basic only good for hair

and maybe some string on your shirt

somone try use cloth on hair before but dont look right lol

[vocal shard]

Probably looked like a wig or something ?

[raven silo]

look like more like cloth

on the head

[vocal shard]

Too "soft"

[stone current]

again dynamic bones is mostly for bone chains

bc every chain is independent from eachother

it doesnt push and pull and fall like cloth does

[vocal shard]

Basically not affected by gravity

[stone current]

and if u tug on a few hairs the rest of the hair doesnt get pulled along

and no its not that at all

u can add 'gravity' to dynamic bones

but a skirt is not made of individual bendy planks

its a cloth

[vocal shard]

ah makes sense

[stone current]

if u grab a bone in dynamic bone skirt

u just grab the bone

as opposed to grabbing the cloth and tugging on it

[vocal shard]

Lol "the gods of framerate will come for you and your family."

[vocal shard]

Also that spacebar shortcut in Blender. I didn't know about it. Now I feel like God. XD

@stone current It's also possible to make one piece of cloth contact with an other one right ?

[raven silo]

@vocal shard need bone in the cloth

with on collider on it

[stone current]

??

cloth has colliders

u can probably just use the cloth as another collider

[vocal shard]

And now Unity crashes in my face XD

Pffft haha the skirt just when from "fancy floaty-like" to "garbage bag-like, dropping straight down type"

[raven silo]

need adjust collider

till there right

[vocal shard]

Or create a garbage bag wearing princess. lol

@raven silo "Bending stiffness" seems to be handy to keep the skirt from completely drop vertically. Like it keeps some "floatiness" I guess

Are cloth components actually heavier on resources than dynamic bones ?

[stone current]

probably not

its part of the engine instead of being a VMd script

[vocal shard]

Right, so maybe a few like... max 8 of them should be okay

[raven silo]

dynamic bone will take more resource

cloth part of unity

[vocal shard]

@stone current Unfortunately the cloth doesn't appear as a collider for an other cloth.

[vocal shard]

Is it possible to capture 360 video not just pictures in vrchat? Anyone tried it?

[pliant roost]

I think,that would,be kinda like. A gif possibly I know people that have done it my guy @vocal shard

[grim cairn]

Anone

Anone

[proper saffron]

Does anyone know if sound limits are gonna be changed?

[vocal shard]

nope

[proper saffron]

So, now what...

[north axle]

Does anyone have any good stories?

More specifically, something targeted towards depressed people, but without any of that "stop being sad" crap.

[solemn spade]

D:

[azure wren]

like?

[north axle]

idk, something cheery, but not too much

[azure wren]

ooh

i may need something like that too...

[solemn spade]

Rip my intro

[azure wren]

lmao

[modern sand]

You can do better

[solemn spade]

I’m scared 😦

[azure wren]

of?

[solemn spade]

Human D:

[azure wren]

youre a human tho

[rapid heath]

thanks we don't need uninspired intros here -_-

[solemn spade]

Other ones >_<

[umbral reef]

What did the intro say 😂

[azure wren]

they prolly are the same as you

like, 2 arms, 2 legs

[rapid heath]

"It's me Mew"

[azure wren]

a head

[rapid heath]

that was it -_-

[solemn spade]

_<

[umbral reef]

Perfect sound into in my book :^)

[solemn spade]

It took all my effort

[umbral reef]

Its not the format stuff so yea

[near saffron]

Need old Intro format again

[azure wren]

you dont have that much effort then

[umbral reef]

@near saffron Or just no

[solemn spade]

Abuse 😭

[near saffron]

But yes

[azure wren]

whut

[vocal shard]

my intro is i am me ):

[near saffron]

NO original intros. Only format

[solemn spade]

It me, mew

[rapid heath]

is that your schtick?

[solemn spade]

D:

[azure wren]

you could put something more in it

like

idk, your gender or not, your country, hobbies, n dat stuff

[near saffron]

Make sure to format it tho.

[solemn spade]

It meow meow meow meow mew mew 😮

[azure wren]

ok right

my bad

try to use eng

[vocal shard]

Gender:Male

Race:Dragonborn

something like this?

[azure wren]

Hobbies: Yeetin down the street

kinda

[calm jay]

Favorite quotes: If I fitz I sitz

And...

Nyaaaaa!

Lol

[azure wren]

Lmao

[floral narwhal]

My gender is dragonborn and I am attracted to sweetrolls.

Dabs

[polar bone]

Is it possible to set a launch option that loads someone into a world that isn't public yet?

[north axle]

You can invite them using a link.

Like this.
https://www.vrchat.com/launch?worldId=wrld_eacc961a-d0a1-4a31-87ac-f12bfe96ff57

Also, you can use this.
http://thegreatpug.com/vrchat-link-generator/

[polar bone]

Can they use that link forever

[north axle]

Yeah.

[woven fable]

I want to know more about how copyrighted content is dealt with. Can anyone tell me about it or redirect me to where I find out more? Specifically, everything belongs to someone unless you make a mesh from completely scratch so what constitutes something that needs to be taken down. Are you just hit with a stike against your account or are you asked to take it down? I want to know before I even attempt to make my avatar world so I don’t waste my time

[umbral reef]

Depends what you want to know about copyright- There is a lot of things about it and it varries per product (Art, music, writing and so on)
Can be that VRC objects get used for educational reasons but that iffy as fuck and not a strong defence :')

But unless the owner of the copyrighted content takes content with VRC nothing will happen- They dont have to enforce copyright rules if they dont know about them 👀
As for the result- I doubt they will instantly bann you like fez is claiming

[woven fable]

So like like ask for forgiveness rather then permission? Or one and done cuz those are opposite extremes that help no one

[umbral reef]

If you have permision there is jack shit to worry about- Depending what the license you download the model under you cna do what ever you want with it or only limited stuff

Almost always you can find the rules for the avatar or clothes close to the download

And else dm the owner of the model and just ask

[woven fable]

I can try to dm the owners of everything and find the original makers of each model but that’s still a crapshoot in the dark, and most of them say they don’t own anything and it is copyrighted by the company who owns that character, and that’s for the models where I actually know where they are from and not just handed to me by a friend

Literally everything is a copyrighted media product

And I see lots of worlds with things like that on them, big al’s avatar corridor for example

[umbral reef]

To be fair- If you want to use it ingame just throw away the ethics and use what you want

If you want to start streaming or make content- You could look into getting an avatar made or buying the rights via one of the media companies. Most companies sell them for a shit ton but some do sell video making rights and monetization rights for fairly cheap.

If you dont want to do that- Can always look into getting copyright 'free' clothing pieces, a base model and ect and just mix and match an model yourself

[woven fable]

I don’t stream or monetize, and I’m not paying out for anything - I just want to make an avatar world and not get banned for it

Some of my assets come from disney or overwatch for example

Even if they are highly modified from there

[elfin ether]

!online

[floral flax]

There are 6333 users in VRChat currently

[broken ibex]

everytime i open vrchat i dont know what to do

[umbral reef]

Find people to talk to and make friends

[ruby needle]

s..sozialising

[vocal shard]

Socializing*

Having to Grammar Nazi a German 🤣

[ruby needle]

[vocal shard]

Wut you gonna do? Shoot me with Godot Brew coffee beans 😏 ?

[karmic talon]

when people say socialize, what do they meaaaaan?

[vocal shard]

Uhhh... Stabbing and slapping someone in Vrchat when getting the chance to?

[karmic talon]

i've got no frieeeeends

and neither do yo-
we've got no frieeeeeends

and neither do I

[vocal shard]

Bu... But...

[karmic talon]

and that's why we're doing thiiiiiiiis shit

[vocal shard]

I got frieeeeeends!

[karmic talon]

that's nice

but I was just posting lyrics of some song

[vocal shard]

Oh.. 😐

[karmic talon]

oof

[vocal shard]

Oof indeed

[karmic talon]

[azure wren]

Hey

I do not have friends

And i wish i was posting a lyrics

[vocal shard]

^ dis boi says the truth

[tacit plank]

Is it possible to be allergic to kiddy memes? Because it hurts to read them

[azure wren]

Nu

IIts not being allergic

Its being normal

[vocal shard]

i thought noram was a kiddie meme...

(we're friends right.... We can joke like that...)

[tacit plank]

Last good meme was "0.5A presses". Well, it was more of a viral video than a meme

[azure wren]

Jamie

I thought you were a better person

...

[vocal shard]

[azure wren]

Lmao

Jk jk

[vocal shard]

Lol

[azure wren]

I am an edgy joke afterall

[vocal shard]

[tight galleon]

😃

Hope everyone’s day is going well

[vocal shard]

You too

[azure wren]

Its not

But thanks for caring

[vocal shard]

.... Noram.....

[azure wren]

Hey what

[torn apex]

This game gets less playable on public servers by the day and its sad

[vocal shard]

You're supposed to say it's fine.... No matter how sh*t your day is

Lol

[azure wren]

Wao

Oh ok

[torn apex]

Got swarmed by people that has spamming characters threatening to hack and delete your files while making the game run like shit. Blocked the person instantly

[azure wren]

My day is TOTALLY FINE

[torn apex]

later another dude with earape joined

[azure wren]

(Like that?)

[ruby needle]

hacking and deleting files

[vocal shard]

[torn apex]

and when I tried to walk towards him and block him my entire game crashed while the earape stil played

had to leave my VRheeadset to close the game

Great game!

[vocal shard]

The script kids are cancer

[torn apex]

2 scriptkids in the same 2 minutes

[azure wren]

Yeh ppl already found cancer into vrc's poor traumatized body

[still lark]

same 2 minutes?

[torn apex]

one of them had a robotic voice loudly raping everyone claiming he was slowly deleting files and such on the computer

dressed as windows 2000 sprites

[ruby needle]

[twin vessel]

Modified clients allow for running scripts which can do virtually anything

[torn apex]

spamming this sphere

[twin vessel]

[ruby needle]

on win 2k that might actually be possible

[vocal shard]

Can we appeal to take down the site responsible for spreading crash scripts...

[ruby needle]

but that one is completely nukeable from the network anyway

[still lark]

Yo what site, tell me which one, so I can avoid it, like the exact address.

[vocal shard]

...

[azure wren]

Lmao

[twin vessel]

[ruby needle]

@still lark

[azure wren]

science purpose

[torn apex]

But yeah

[twin vessel]

[ruby needle]

dont name that side, not allowed

[torn apex]

I cant really play this game on public servers anymore

[ruby needle]

and the other thing especially

[torn apex]

the public servers are just filled with people threatening to hack your system with scripts or just crash the game instantly

[tacit plank]

Many "hack forums" have the clients

[twin vessel]

I can because I made a custom bubble that blocks the rendering of other model's

[ruby needle]

crashing is a issue yes

but there is no hacking your system

[azure wren]

We need a virtual swatt

[torn apex]

Stil not fun when people go around threatening to do it xD

or claiming they are while crashing your game

[azure wren]

Pollice be like moshi moshi keisatsu desuka on your dekstop

[ruby needle]

dont listen to them

[torn apex]

I wont...

But im tired of all the crashing

[ruby needle]

like you wouldn't listen to someone claiming you're going to die when you dont send over x amount of money in the next 15 minutes

[tacit plank]

They could potentionally hack your system with scripts

[azure wren]

Do like most ppl do

[torn apex]

got a 1080Ti yet I cant join any public server having fun without someone joining earaping my headset almost to the point of bricking it while making the game lag like crazy

[azure wren]

Get some friends

[tacit plank]

But if anyone actually manages to, I'll own them a beer, because it's not easy

[azure wren]

And go to a private room or smth

[ruby needle]

this game is heavily CPU bound zefnoly

[torn apex]

I know

[still lark]

Imagine your headset getting bricked from sound. Lmao

[torn apex]

it doesnt fully use my CPU

I got 6700k

[ruby needle]

basically single threaded

[tacit plank]

It might if he has a good CPU

[torn apex]

4Ghz

it should work fine on that

[tacit plank]

If it's a newish i7, sure

[ruby needle]

should be a good cpu yes

[torn apex]

i7 6700k

its a good 2016 CPU

4Ghz+

[ruby needle]

make sure to only allow it to use real cores and not the multithreads

and blocks its access to core 0

which the system is on mostly

let's see what the next update brings in terms of performance

the patch notes look promissing with the upadted netcode / handling

especially since that potentially means fixing the performance impact the cameras added or even more

[tacit plank]

Where are the patchnotes?

[still lark]

1 more edit to remove the other spelling mistake? :P

[ruby needle]

https://docs.vrchat.com/v2018.2.3/docs/vrchat-201823

[tacit plank]

Thanks

[ruby needle]

thats for the currently on going public beta

[still lark]

Are you ok @ruby needle, not having a stroke are you?

[ruby needle]

what

[still lark]

Read the last sentence you said out loud.

[twin vessel]

Just block avatars by default ingame when joining public servers

Friends still appear

[ruby needle]

no

that completely kills immersion

unless they add a whitelist its useless

[azure wren]

Yehh

[ruby needle]

if i want to talk to lifeless robots i can just aswell just talk via voice chat without the game

[twin vessel]

Once you join the server and determine who is screwing around with shaders and crashers, block all those involved, THEN unblock all avatars.

That will ensure safety while minimizing the immersion killing.

[ruby needle]

then you still have bad performance

[twin vessel]

What the fuck do you mean bad performance

[azure wren]

[still lark]

whoa, 0 to 100 real quick

[tacit plank]

When was that update?

[ruby needle]

its the open beta currently ongoing

and will be in the next update that should be comming soon

see #open-beta-info

[tacit plank]

Oh, nice

[ruby needle]

you can try it out

but you wont be ablte to play normally just like with new updates

[tacit plank]

I'd rather hear from people who've tried it how the improvements are

[ruby needle]

you can eigher not see people or see but not hear / talk

[twin vessel]

The only reason vrchat itself, as in the application, would ever run poorly on its own is if your GPU and/or CPU are shit

If that's the case why are you on vrchat to begin with

[tacit plank]

That's not true

[twin vessel]

I'm disregarding other users who might have obnoxiously high polys or particles here.

[ruby needle]

you can have the best CPU out there and will have performance issues

[tacit plank]

VRChat code is poor, Unity code is poor, and 90% of people making their own avatars have no clue what they're doing

[ruby needle]

polys / particles are not that much of an impact at all

the biggest performance issues come from the IK, Voice/networking

[twin vessel]

I don't have poor performance in vrchat. Only time I EVER drop frames is from avatars loading in at bulk in public servers.

[ruby needle]

do you play in vr?

[karmic talon]

idk I don't get a lot of issues in vrchat

[twin vessel]

I have a 1060 and I'm getting a Vive soon. It won't have a problem running it.

[karmic talon]

apart from lag spikes when joining a game

[ruby needle]

it will regi

[tacit plank]

If you look in a mirror, you're not seeing a reflection, but another copy of your avatar. Mirrors are extremely performance heavy, more so than cameras which essentially does the same thing (draws from another perspective)

[ruby needle]

desktop to vr performance for vrchat is a heavy difference

you'll find out what we mean

[karmic talon]

oooor sometimes I get a bunch of lag spikes at random

[tacit plank]

If you go into a semi-poor world and enable a mirror, you won't be getting 90FPS

[ruby needle]

the avatar loading spikes are adressed in the new update tho

[karmic talon]

o

[twin vessel]

They better be.

[karmic talon]

wonderful

[twin vessel]

Loading them in so inefficiently is trash lmao.

[tacit plank]

Hell, I drop below 90 with a mirror in world which is just a platform and nothing more

[twin vessel]

What GPU do you have

[karmic talon]

maybe I have so little issues because I play on desktop

hmmm

[ruby needle]

yes

desktop is a completely different thing

[karmic talon]

I know my pc won't be able to handle vr

that's a fact

[ruby needle]

vrchat in vr is the big performance problem

desktop is usually fine if your system isn't super old

[meager solstice]

yeah

[karmic talon]

as expected

vr probably brings in a lot more variables and such

woops

hit enter too soon

[twin vessel]

To be fair I imagine a lot of people using VR are dinguses. I've seen more than my fair share of people plug their VR headset into the fucking motherboard

Integrated graphics vr

[ruby needle]

[karmic talon]

wh

[twin vessel]

Hell most people get VR headsets from their parents

So it doesn't surprise me

[vocal shard]

@twin vessel Most people under the age of 21, I guess.

[twin vessel]

Most people on vrchat are teenagers.

[vocal shard]

I thought VR locked out integrated graphics right? (Exp wmr... But even then it barley runs on integrated)

[ruby needle]

do you have a study for that claim?

[twin vessel]

Do you have a study available for every claim you make?

Dingus.

Shut your fuck.

[floral aspen]

yes

[vocal shard]

Oh wow okay, it's one of "those"

[floral aspen]

otherwise your claim is just conjecture and anecdotal at best

[twin vessel]

What the fuck do you mean one of those

I don't have a study available if its my own observations

[vocal shard]

A game that raised population from a meme has a bunch of teenage players!?! (Shocked)

[twin vessel]

[ruby needle]

your statement was generalised tho which cant be done with personal obersavtions 😛

[vocal shard]

Teenagers ? On my Internet ?! What kind of sorcery is that ?!

[twin vessel]

I mean I have several hundred hours in the game, most public lobbies are teenagers.

[vocal shard]

I wonder... did you ask their ID card or something ?

[twin vessel]

No, I just asked their age.

Plus it's easy to distinguish between adult and child from voice.

[ruby needle]

between a real child yes

[vocal shard]

i wish my voice could pass for a child

My rule: Assume nothing over the Internet.

[ruby needle]

but once we get over a certain point it is impossible to do it accuratly over the net.

[floral aspen]

not necessarily. I know a teen on VRChat that has a deep voice and sounds like a grown ass man

[ruby needle]

especialy if we want to separate teen from not teen

[vocal shard]

Really tho... It's not an issue with "teenagers"... Just their attitude. I know plenty.... A few teenager that are decent peeps on vrchat

[twin vessel]

Then i just ask.

[vocal shard]

Maybe it's because the adults are doing "stuff" in private rooms, hence you don't see as much of them ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

[twin vessel]

VR sex

What a joke

[ruby needle]

just because its not your thing doesnt mean others dont enjoy it and have fun with it

but there is more then that in private rooms

a lot of persons are in pricate and friends lobbies at these times of a lot of crashers and stuff

[vocal shard]

ya

[ruby needle]

and from experience that is where the more aged persons chill too

[twin vessel]

Paul.

You have VR sex, don't you Paul.

[vocal shard]

Paul seems experienced on this subject...

Lol

[ruby needle]

from where James

[vocal shard]

Being able to hang with friends in a private room is handy. You don't get blasted with loud random music while trying to speak.

[ruby needle]

yup

and you dont have exploading loobies which kill the FPS

and then once full crashers come and boom

[floral aspen]

exactly why I stay away from public lobbies.

[vocal shard]

Private is better.you can hang with just the friends you want, rather than randoms coming in to kill the room

[ruby needle]

i personalyl wish there would be a way for the room owners to change typ

like have it public

have some join

and then make it closed / firends

[vocal shard]

Friends + is usually good tho... You can still meet new people that way

Yeah, just make sure to have good friends.

lol

[tacit plank]

I'm usually in friends+

[karmic talon]

what if you're the only one of those friends that plays vrchat

[twin vessel]

The best way to succeed is to make friends with the enemy so nobody is your enemy

[ruby needle]

@karmic talon what?

[tacit plank]

I can always tell if a room is public or not just from how people behave and how the joining avatar looks

[ruby needle]

we're talking about in game friends 😄

[karmic talon]

yea yea but if you want to stay in a private world you're gonna need friends first

[ruby needle]

yes

you gotta be in public at first

and find a few nice people

then you can go on from there

[tacit plank]

Make friends who hang out in non-public, then join them and get to know people

[vocal shard]

@tacit plank Public lobby: At least one Uganda knuckle, at least one dude blasting loud electronic music... lol

[twin vessel]

Either block avatars by default or have the safe mode shortcut memorized.

[karmic talon]

right

[ruby needle]

shortcut memorized is a thing you should always have anyway but it is not gonna protect you

and default blocked avatars ruins the game and experience

[tacit plank]

A much higher rate of Steam users too, generally bad microphones, people are much louder, their avatars are bigger, and usually from some show (like simpsons or spongebob) rather than a costum anime girl which actually fits in

[ruby needle]

you will quickly find that out once you use VR your self

[karmic talon]

yea ngl blocking avatars by default ruins the experience

I can already tell from using desktop

[twin vessel]

Steam users can't upload avatars, so they just found those avatars in worlds with avatar pedestals

🤔

[vocal shard]

Probably

[ruby needle]

once they add a whitelist so you can allow avatars that are in front of you without having to friend them

[tacit plank]

They always find the bad ones though

[ruby needle]

then it becomse usefull

[karmic talon]

I should make a vrchat account

[twin vessel]

Because the bad ones are shitposts.

[tacit plank]

Like a 3 meter tall bart 5k poly bart simpson or something

[ruby needle]

i belive the crashers steal a avatar that has it from somewhere

or have a world with one hidden

[tacit plank]

Or even worse, "meme" avatars

[vocal shard]

@tacit plank With 56 textures.

[ruby needle]

(gotta be a public world tho)

[civic vine]

henlo

[ruby needle]

56 textures

[vocal shard]

lol

[karmic talon]

oooof

[vocal shard]

How many texture with optimization ? Just one. ONE.

lol

[tacit plank]

I have about 10

[civic vine]

if you're not an untextured cube, you're not optimised.

[twin vessel]

They're just called grab shaders

[tacit plank]

I need to adjust the texture colors though, and make emission maps, etc

[twin vessel]

All they do is grab attributes of a model, object, etc.

I have them but never use them.

They're mostly deployed in shitty ways but they have interesting uses otherwise.

[civic vine]

Does anyone know how to fix the floor?

[vocal shard]

The floor of what ? A custom world ?

[tacit plank]

Probably VR room floor not aligning correctly with his real floor

[civic vine]

vrchat, I can't reach the ground or anything on it.

[twin vessel]

...

What do you mean reach the ground.

[vocal shard]

Ah it's probably in the system tab, you can adjust your real height there

[twin vessel]

In VR?

[karmic talon]

what teal said

[tacit plank]

It's some SteamVR thing, or recalibrating your room

Mine worked on the first try, so I'm not sure

[vocal shard]

Oi blokes, is there any way a mate can upload models? Tellin me I gotta wait for something

[twin vessel]

Play the game more.

[civic vine]

I mean things that appear on the ground in the world are 30cm under the floor in the real world, I'm using WMR

[vocal shard]

@vocal shard To get upload rights, you must have a VRChat account (not Steam account), and must keeping playing until you get the rights. Adding friends maybe help too.

Thanks mate

[civic vine]

@vocal shard you need to get and give 30 headpats

[rough pulsar]

@civic vine Is the floor calibration wrong in anything else, or is it just VRChat?

[polar jasper]

If the avatar proportions are wrong that can happen

[civic vine]

@rough pulsar it's just VRChat

[polar jasper]

doing the floor fix can correct most issues too

[rough pulsar]

Avatar proportions then. Not much you can do about that.

[polar jasper]

^ Resize legs or arms

[civic vine]

So what if my avatar is the same proportions as me?

[karmic talon]

I think you just need to adjust your height then

in the settings

[rough pulsar]

If it's the right proportions to you (not scale, proportion) it will correct the floor issue.

[civic vine]

I think it just needs fixing by the developers

[rough pulsar]

Switch to something like Y-Bot from the default avatars to see what I mean

[karmic talon]

[civic vine]

why can't there be a floor collaboration in game?

[ruby needle]

why should there be?

[rough pulsar]

Because that's now how it works

[past vapor]

i think you mean calibration

[ruby needle]

^

[civic vine]

well it should

[past vapor]

and just do it yourself dont be lazy

[civic vine]

it's broken

[rough pulsar]

You get scaled into your avatar based on the arm length

[ruby needle]

the floor is not broken

many avatars are simply wrong proportioned

the Y bot is a n example of a properly proportioned one

[rough pulsar]

If your avatar has legs that are freaky long then there's no reasonable way to force the two sizes to match

[polar jasper]

MMD's mostly have wrong proportions too

[civic vine]

so you can have any avatar you like, as long as it's exactly like you. that's a bullshit approach to not solving anything.

[past vapor]

No thats not what we are saying at all

[vocal shard]

MMD female model have legs way too fucking long

@vocal shard And slim like two chopsticks lol

[ruby needle]

why are you blaming the game when the avatars are the issue? @civic vine

[civic vine]

So you're saying it can be fixed by not using the avatar you want to use?

[past vapor]

If you want full body tracking to work completely. Fix the height in the settings menu

wow you're stubborn

[ruby needle]

there is nothing wrong on the game side

[polar jasper]

You can fix your avatar pushed

[rough pulsar]

It can be fixed by fixing your model.

[karmic talon]

good lord

[past vapor]

Fix the model in blender or unity or whatever. and fix the height in the settings make sure it all matches

[civic vine]

@rough pulsar What's wrong with my model?

[rough pulsar]

Proportions do not match you.

[karmic talon]

the proportions

[polar jasper]

Your legs or arms are too short or too long

[rough pulsar]

If it's some anime thing you'll need to make the legs shorter, since they tend to have very long legs.

[civic vine]

@rough pulsar @polar jasper that's a poor implementation then. and I dispute that my avatar is that different, certainly not by what seems to be about 30cm

[ruby needle]

[karmic talon]

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

[rough pulsar]

Well if you have any better ideas, do share.

[vocal shard]

It's "one of those" again.

[past vapor]

Poor implementation? But you're the one who uploaded the avatar

you literally implemented it...

[civic vine]

@rough pulsar Have a calibration screen in the settings menu, better idea.

[karmic talon]

that

is

height

[past vapor]

theres literally a actual height button in the settings menu

[civic vine]

and it's literally broken

[karmic talon]

that's been said twice already

[vocal shard]

That moment... other people... have no problem at all with their avatar. Because they made them right.

[rough pulsar]

Then you get positional mismatch. Now your physical hips are not at same position as your virtual hips.

So not a fix.

[tacit plank]

Even kanna's can reach the floor

You don't have to change the legs much, you can probably move just the bone without much issue

[past vapor]

Its not the game thats broken, its you. no offense

[jaunty apex]

im broke

[ruby needle]

doot doot

[civic vine]

@rough pulsar I don't give a damn what the hips do, I just use head and hands

[tacit plank]

Could also be poor calibration of your room

[vocal shard]

The game gives a damn about the hips tho

[polar jasper]

I have had the same floor issues with my avatar, but I spent time to fix it so it's proper now

[vocal shard]

lol

[jaunty apex]

paul

[ruby needle]

what

[karmic talon]

doot

[tacit plank]

Alternatively, tell the world owner to up the distance you can grab objects on

[jaunty apex]

1 month

[civic vine]

@tacit plank that's a workaround not a fix

[rough pulsar]

Point is, your solution fixes nothing and would likely introduce other issues.

[tacit plank]

If you lay down on your floor, can you really not pick anything up still?

[vocal shard]

Also: Some Touhou models are gigantic O.o But it's probably due to them being like... 4'8", but stretched to real life height so you get massive hands lol

[rough pulsar]

So either modify your avatar, or… well you can keep complaining but I'll stop paying attention. ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[past vapor]

Point is, you just have to not be lazy and open up the model and fix it the way you like it

[civic vine]

i have to dig 1ft into the real floor first

[tacit plank]

That's bad room calibration

[jaunty apex]

do it

[civic vine]

OK, how do I 'fix' my avatar?

[polar jasper]

Open it in Blender

[tacit plank]

Your trackers don't know where your floor starts

[past vapor]

are you using htc or kinect or what

[civic vine]

WMR

[ruby needle]

[past vapor]

oh general reaching

[jaunty apex]

you had one job paul

[rough pulsar]

Most accurate way:
Take a photo of yourself in T pose
load it into blender or whatever as a reference image, adjust arms & legs to match yours.

[past vapor]

Theres also a "force t-pose" thing in unity.

[civic vine]

if anything, my avatar has longer arms than me

[jaunty apex]

just stretch your arms irl

[ruby needle]

[polar jasper]

Then you shorten them

[rough pulsar]

It's not actual length in terms of "54cm", it's the relation between the lengths that matter.

[polar jasper]

If the hands aren't where the controllers are then it is wrong basically

[civic vine]

you know you're talking out of your arse don't you?

[vocal shard]

@rough pulsar Sort of need a good "balance" between limbs proportions I guess.

[past vapor]

are you talking about yourself @civic vine

[karmic talon]

holy shit this conversation

[vocal shard]

Yuuuup, it's one of those again ! XD

[modern sand]

@civic vine If you ignore the advice and help of people, please ask future questions in the related avatar channels.

[bold spoke]

So VRChat is calculating our arms length based on the height we set ? Iam interested in the math for it. It might help to get the ratios/sizes just right.

[dawn scroll]

Has anyone seen a Repo Man 3d model?

[vocal shard]

@bold spoke I wonder if it calculates body proportions like good old DaVinci did lol

[tacit plank]

I'd like if we could set everything manually, but it seems to be calculated. Your feet position is something like the distance from your head to your hands times two

Which is why so many fullbody tracking setups float away randomly

[modern sand]

Like Gallium said, only way to have it be perfect is to match your real life proportions.

[civic vine]

@modern sand I like VRChat, but there's so much misinformation floating around it's natural to be sceptical, if the fault is with my avatar then why are all the 'solutions' folklore and hearsay?

[umbral reef]

To be fair most information can just be found on there websites

[rough pulsar]

Head→hands x2 roughly = height = hand←→hand

Which is why you can get a good estimate of someone's height from just a shirt, assuming it fits well.

[vocal shard]

In fact, I think arms span is often close to the person's height

[civic vine]

@umbral reef to be fair and honest, it's not as good as it could be.

[past vapor]

My arm span is pretty much my height

[tacit plank]

In real life I look like fucking slenderman, so I don't like the game assuming that I have normal porportions. Please add sliders or something to a VR settings menu

[bold spoke]

But VRChat only knows our height, it doesnt know our real life proportions. So the real life T pose photo approach might not work for everyone ?

[umbral reef]

@civic vine Never said it was any where close to easy to find... 👀

But most info is out there if you spend enough time-

[ruby needle]

for real life T pose you also need to have a perfect shot

the best would be to use the y bot model

i belive

as a template

[civic vine]

I'm not talking about 1) using a TRex avatar or 2) just missing the floor by a couple of inches.

[tacit plank]

I've heard that the bots have really good tracking

[ruby needle]

yes

[modern sand]

Missing the floor by a couple inches can be due to a few things, that's why people gave you a couple options

[tacit plank]

Pushed, try using the default bot avatars. If you still have an issue, your VR is misjudging your floor position

[modern sand]

From tracking, to y position

[past vapor]

And @civic vine didnt understand the options and called it folklore

[rough pulsar]

For making sure your fullbody setup works right testing with Y-Bot is one of the best things to do, since it excludes proportional errors.

[civic vine]

@tacit plank all I have to configure my VR is the app in cliff house, and that makes no difference to my experience in VRChat

[vocal shard]

@civic vine Oh are you launching the game with SteamVR ?

[arctic cradle]

Hello

[civic vine]

yes

[vocal shard]

hi

[arctic cradle]

I have an issue

[vocal shard]

SteamVR has it's own calibration thingy

we all do

[arctic cradle]

Do I post it here?

Lol

[vocal shard]

depend on what the issue is

[modern sand]

Try to post in the appropriate channels

[rough pulsar]

SteamVR inherits the calibration from the WMR software as far as I know.

[arctic cradle]

It's an I got hacked issue

[civic vine]

@vocal shard not really useful for WMR headsets

[arctic cradle]

Which channel would be good for tha?

[ruby needle]

no chanel

[vocal shard]

@arctic cradle no channel

[modern sand]

That would be [e-mail]

[past vapor]

Email

[vocal shard]

@civic vine Ah, I'm not familiar with that device. I have Oculus.

[arctic cradle]

Oh okay then. My name was changed on the hud so I just e-mail them?

[past vapor]

Best to email and explain everything that happened. @arctic cradle

and like, change your passwords of course.

[civic vine]

@arctic cradle change your password asap

[arctic cradle]

Okay will do. It was right after I got crashed by someone

[ruby needle]

🤔

[vocal shard]

How are hands scaled in VRChat ? When I scale down my avatar in Unity, the hands stay the same size. Something to do with IPD scaling or maybe the way the SDK handles something ?

[civic vine]

there's a checkbox for scaling, check it

[umbral reef]

Id guess it works on proportions

[vocal shard]

Right. So Blender I go I guess lol

[umbral reef]

Ow i understood the question wrong :x

[civic vine]

should be a unity thing @vocal shard

@modern sand would it be hard to have 'put your controller on the floor' when VRChat boots up?

[ruby needle]

what would that change

[civic vine]

@ruby needle then VRchat would know where the floor is

[ruby needle]

the floor is not the issue

thats btw exactly what the floor fix does

doesnt chage anything tho

[civic vine]

@ruby needle it's not the issue, but the solution would solve the issue regardless.

[ruby needle]

no it doesnt

[civic vine]

explain why plz

[ruby needle]

because the floor is not the issue

do you really not want to understand that?

[vocal shard]

Pfft haha my hands are gigantic in VRChat. Like twice the size of my real hands.

[ruby needle]

if the floor already is at the right location you can set it to that as often as you want

[civic vine]

circular arguments just annoy people, try not to do that.

[ruby needle]

it aint changing wrong proportions due to which the IK can not reach the ground

[polar jasper]

Open another game then. If the floor is correct there then it's not the game, but your avatar's proportions...

[ruby needle]

you dont need another game you can just use the menues even

[past vapor]

using wmr so you're probably using kinect or something for fullbody tracking huh

[modern sand]

You can make any suggestion you want on our canny.

[rough pulsar]

@vocal shard Are they huge in relation to other things, or is everything huge?

[civic vine]

why do you think I'm even using body tracking?

[ruby needle]

thats a good question

[past vapor]

well you're talking about touching the floor. Are you not using full body?

[civic vine]

no

[ruby needle]

that is a common issue without too

[vocal shard]

@rough pulsar Oh let me check if the hands are proportionate to let say... an ingame pen

[ruby needle]

dont, who knmows if the pen is proportioned right

[civic vine]

I'm talking about being able to get low enough to reach something on the game ground

[rough pulsar]

The proportion-floor issue affects anyone, regardless of tracking setup.
It's just more noticable in fullbody

[past vapor]

ah i see.

[modern sand]

I've only had issues with the ground while using my terribly proportioned models.

[civic vine]

@modern sand so you'd like that fixed, right?

[polar jasper]

Even I did have issues with the proportions and Gallium helped explain to me what to do and it fixed it.

[past vapor]

He already fixed it by fixing the proportion in the MODEL

[modern sand]

Nope, it shouldn't be fixed, if your proportions are wrong, it's another problem entirely

[karmic talon]

ooof

[modern sand]

If your model was perfect related to your body, and you couldn't touch the ground, then yes, it should be fixed, but that's not the case here.

[civic vine]

So how close to 'normal' proportions do I have to be? like for example, a fortnight character has longer arms than your average human, but can't reach anything on the ground.

[past vapor]

im kinda curious as to what the model even is

[vocal shard]

@rough pulsar Right, I tested the proportions in game. If I scale down the model in Unity, it makes the world around it look larger. But the hands still look too large. I guess that's a model issue.

proportions should be as close as your own IRL proportions

[past vapor]

@vocal shard when you scaled down the model in unity, did the hands scale down with it? Are they properly connected?

[vocal shard]

also i found this https://docs.vrchat.com/v2018.2.3/docs/vrchat-201823#section-fixes

[civic vine]

@vocal shard So over proportioned = too short and under proportions = too short? makes sense to me.

[vocal shard]

biggest fix for me is that fucking "reload all fucking avatars when somebody join or switch avatars"

yep

[civic vine]

why?

surely that would indicate needing a better tracking method.

[vocal shard]

@past vapor Basically if I scale down the model in Unity, it makes the entire model smaller. However, from my perspective, my own avatar proportions do not change.

[rough pulsar]

Well, yeah. to change proportions you need to make both the bones and geometry longer/shorter in blender.

[past vapor]

That kinda doesn't make sense. You scaled it down, and moved the viewpoint/tracking ball thing afterwards? @vocal shard and then uploaded it/updated it of course.

Cause i scaled down models before and it worked perfectly so... hmm

[civic vine]

I honestly don't know what you're expecting to happen @vocal shard

[vocal shard]

I'm expecting to get hands that aren't 2 times the size of my real life hands lol

[past vapor]

@civic vine If he scaled down the entire model and changed the view to match it, then he EXPECTS it to all be shorter.

[vocal shard]

But yeah, time for Blender I guess. Gonna manually edit the model

[umbral reef]

Maybe sending a photo and might also be more usefull to ask in #avatars-2-general can help

[vestal sleet]

does anyone know how long I need to waituntil i can upload avatar on unity

[umbral reef]

Look at the most recent pin in this channel

[ruby needle]

wait? endless

[civic vine]

@vestal sleet give and receive 30 headpats

[vocal shard]

Basically the more active you are on VRChat, the better your chances to get upload rights. And no, idling doesn't count.

[karmic talon]

doesn't it give you a prompt telling you when you can upload avatars?

[vocal shard]

@karmic talon You get both an ingame message and an email

[civic vine]

You wont be told outright to prevent people making Bots

[karmic talon]

a, nice

[vestal sleet]

oh u can't afk

[past vapor]

@vestal sleet Yeah check the recent pin. Play normally on a vrchat account (not steam). Make friends, be social, dont be afk. I got mine in less than a day of in-game time.

It notifies you as well.

[vestal sleet]

i see

[civic vine]

I got it pretty quickly, just do stuff.

[vestal sleet]

i kind of just want to add animation to my character

i see people have like cool dance and I want to learn how to make it too

[umbral reef]

Most of the time those dances are prefabs

[past vapor]

Theres tutorials on youtube and you can also ask questions in #animation and other channels @vestal sleet

[arctic cradle]

Hi guys

[civic vine]

my avatar has a couple of poll dances, they're pretty easy to import with the right tools

[arctic cradle]

I have another question and it's not listed in faq or moderation reports

[civic vine]

even fixed the locked hips problem 😃

[arctic cradle]

When sending video evidence, can I send video file with .flv extensions?

[vestal sleet]

@civic vine where do u find these dances

[civic vine]

@vestal sleet look into Miku Miku Dance motions, they can be converted to unity animations using CATS or there's another tool I forget the name of that doesn't use blender

[polar jasper]

@arctic cradle You could, but it would maybe be better just to upload it to youtube as unlisted and use that link

[arctic cradle]

Ok thanks PhaxeNor. I'm tired of this crap so I'm going to video every single time I'm online

[umbral reef]

Sumbiting the output log also helps a lot

submitting*

[arctic cradle]

Okay yea I heard of that. I heard the output log resets if I re-log before submitting report right?

[vocal shard]

Manually scaling the avi hands in Blender while somehow preserving the bone rigging. That's going to be "fun".

[umbral reef]

Jup

But you can just make an copy and save it

[civic vine]

@vestal sleet there's a unity tool called MMD4Mecanim if you can find it, that's the quickest way to add animations without having to take your model back to blender.

[umbral reef]

Then restart the game

[vocal shard]

#3Disfun

lol

[arctic cradle]

Okay thanks for the info guys!

[polar jasper]

Rule #12 btw

[civic vine]

there are rules?

[vocal shard]

#rules

[polar jasper]

He was being sarcastic

[civic vine]

haha, who pissed who off to make that rule?

[vocal shard]

#ImSoAutistic

[civic vine]

'we don't talk about it' lol

[polar jasper]

They don't want it to be used for VRChat.

[civic vine]

then they shouldn't leave it laying around on the internet

[karmic talon]

... what?

[vocal shard]

Now that's one of the most stupid thing I ever heard.

[civic vine]

can[t talk about it @karmic talon lol

[umbral reef]

@civic vine a short google explains why they dont talk about them or want any promotion

[karmic talon]

brb smashing my head in a wall

[peak yacht]

Ok so what channel do I go to to talk about not getting email verification

[civic vine]

brb googling that important info before disregarding

[vocal shard]

I would contact support at [e-mail]

@peak yacht I mean

[umbral reef]

@peak yacht For the account? Would be email support as teal suggested

[polar jasper]

@karmic talon Not sure what would break first then, the wall or your head 😛

[umbral reef]

If its to upload read the pin in this channel

[karmic talon]

hmmmmmmmm

[vestal sleet]

also does anyone know how to make the joystick on WMR work

[karmic talon]

considering my head is all bone and no brain

[vestal sleet]

there was a tutorial but it didn't work for me

[polar jasper]

[peak yacht]

Ok emailing someone it is

[polar jasper]

@karmic talon you could just have drywalls for all I know 😛

[karmic talon]

big think

[civic vine]

So a quick google resulted in information that I have disregarded, as I expected.

[karmic talon]

ok

[civic vine]

To enable thumbstick controls:

Edit "C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\common\MixedRealityVRDriver\resources\settings\default.vrsettings"
Path will be different if Windows Mixed Reality for SteamVR was installed to a different library
Change thumbstickControlsEnabled to true as shown in the examples below
To reverse the handedness of the controls, change thumbstickControlsReversed to true.
To increase comfort, this feature defaults to small discrete turns. If you would prefer a smooth turning experience, set thumbstickTurnSmooth to true.

[polar jasper]

@vestal sleet ^

[vestal sleet]

I did that and it didn't work rip :C

[civic vine]

are you launching through steam?

[vestal sleet]

ya

{
    "driver_Holographic" : {
        "renderTargetScale" : 1.0
    },
     "driver_Holographic_Experimental" : {
        // Some people may experience increased discomfort such as nausea, motion sickness, dizziness,
        // disorientation, headache, fatigue, or eye strain when using thumbstick controls in Windows Mixed Reality.
        "thumbstickControlsEnabled" : true,
        "thumbstickControlsReversed" : false,
        "thumbstickTurnSmooth" : true,
        "thumbstickDeadzone" : 0.25
    },
    "NoInterEyeRotation" : {
        "DOOMVFRx64.exe" : true
    }
}

this is my file

[civic vine]

🤗

[tacit plank]

Why would you get eye strain by changing controls?

[dawn scroll]

Does anyone know why my vrchat is taking ages to load worlds

[civic vine]

@dawn scroll clear your cache

[dawn scroll]

How do I do that?

[tacit plank]

Delete the folder in: C:\Users\%USERNAME%\AppData\LocalLow\VRChat

[civic vine]

go to your vrchat folder in your steam library and delete random files i guess

[rough pulsar]

!cleancache

[floral flax]

You can clean cache by deleting the vrchat folder within C:\Users\%Username%\AppData\LocalLow\VRChat

[civic vine]

or that ^, yeah that's a better answer.

[tacit plank]

It's not even in your Steam library 😛

[civic vine]

can I help it if VRChat is perfectly compatible with heavy drinking and drug use?

[dawn scroll]

Ok thank you

[vocal shard]

!outputlog

[floral flax]

You can find your output log at C:\Users\%Username%\AppData\LocalLow\VRChat named vrchat;outputlog.txt

[civic vine]

!makecoffee

dammit, I have to make my own 😦

Anyone aware of VRoid? Could be a useful tool in future if they don't hate VRChat with a passion.

I've had a look at the beta and despite it all being in JP it's quite easy to use.

Not big on dev tools in here I guess 😐

[polar jasper]

From what I heard that tool is made by people who also play VRChat. Which is why they want support for the vrm container

[ruby needle]

vrm

they could just use normal existing formats, but no

[civic vine]

gotta have 'courage'

[rough pulsar]

It appears to be based on some open standards like GLTF and such.

[civic vine]

it looks nice, easier than mmd even.

and it looks like there's a lot more control over how end products can be used/sold/shared.

[dawn scroll]

Im so confused Im still getting bad loading times

[civic vine]

@dawn scroll which world?

[dawn scroll]

Oh wait

I had a game downloading in the back ground lets see if stopping that helos

helps*

[civic vine]

torrenting tentacle porn will effect performance.

[rough pulsar]

I don't like how the.. idk how to word it, type of actions this file is allowed to perform is actually part of the file spec.
There's literally a section of the vrm format for "is allowed to perform violent actions" as a true/false variable.

It's just not something a file format has any real control over, so why?

[dawn scroll]

No its still not hellping im trying to load into the pug and im loading in like .01 every probably half second

[civic vine]

@rough pulsar the Japanese treat their avatars like their children, which is why they get so mad when they think about them being used 'inappropriately'

[rough pulsar]

Oh yeah, I understand that it is a cultural thing over there. I just strongly oppose it having any presence in a file format.

[umbral reef]

@dawn scroll you got enough space on ya pc man

[civic vine]

@rough pulsar I'm all for creative control, except when it comes to petty developers who ban stuff with broad strokes, If I've spent months making an avatar I don't want some 12 year old using it to be smashed together like a barbie doll and action man. If these rules are in place it opens it up to be a possibility for big IP's to be used legitimately, eg if Disney got on board you'd get better quality avatars because rules are in place that you can't get the princess's tits out/

[dawn scroll]

@umbral reef What do you mean?

[umbral reef]

Do you have enough space for the computer to write stuff to

[civic vine]

at least 15% of your C drive free?

[dawn scroll]

I mean id assume so how much would I need, let me check

How would I check actually?

[civic vine]

'my computer'

[dawn scroll]

oh duh

[civic vine]

or 'This PC' as the young folk call it

[rough pulsar]

@civic vine Thing is, once you've got the actual model data, it's pretty much free game for doing stuff to it. There's only so much protection that can be put in place, short of some kind of crazy encryption & integrity checking somehow embedded into the file.

[umbral reef]

Even that can be bypassed gallium

[rough pulsar]

Exactly. It's literally the holy grail of DRM, fixing that issue.

[dawn scroll]

48.6 Gigs out of 279 and also an empty D drive

[civic vine]

@rough pulsar I'm guessing the VRM format is some sort of walled garden approach to prevent editing

[rough pulsar]

If media can be observed, it can be copied and if it can be copied it can be edited.

[ruby needle]

^

cant you just export it with a unity FBX exporter just plain simple? 😄

[rough pulsar]

FBX is not an open format, sadly.
Widely supported, but not open unlike collada or gltf.

[civic vine]

@rough pulsar I can point you in the direction of a few security features that make that statement redundant

[rough pulsar]

Such as?

[dawn scroll]

I have no Idea why its loading so slow

[civic vine]

WIBU codemeter @rough pulsar

[dawn scroll]

Like in all this time Ive been trying to find out whats wrong its only gotten to 40 percent

[civic vine]

@dawn scroll did you end your dl before starting vrchat?

[dawn scroll]

The game downloading?

[civic vine]

yeah

[dawn scroll]

No I ended it while it was open

[civic vine]

I'd just reboot at the point, christ know what's going on, but i bet a reboot would fix it

[ruby needle]

codemeter

[dawn scroll]

Ok

[civic vine]

@ruby needle you gonna talk about that time it got cracked now?

[ruby needle]

?

[civic vine]

exactly

[umbral reef]

Yea but for a program to use it it needs to encrypt that shit right?

[ruby needle]

i have no idea what you want

[umbral reef]

As how far i recall/understood codemeter encryption stuff has never been broken
But that does not mean there are other points to attack in a system

[analog canopy]

He wants to be loved

[ruby needle]

the question is, how many interesting programms do use codemeter

dongle based DRM is the absolut biggest trash in the universe

[civic vine]

Propellerhead Reason

[polar jasper]

It just has to be discovered first. But this is #general-media material 😛

[civic vine]

when does general become random?

[vocal shard]

when we are not speaking about vrchat

[rough pulsar]

I'm not so sure, I mean it's a bit tangental but digital asset rights in the context of avatars is kinda what this is a bit related to.

[ruby needle]

^

[civic vine]

we;re talking about the future of DRM for Avatars

Avatars will be cross-platform one day, you'll have your own avatar for playing thousands of compatible games, like on Wii

[ruby needle]

thats a very far reach you got there

[civic vine]

I give it 3 years

[ruby needle]

ok, good luck with that

[umbral reef]

Lmao

You really think

[civic vine]

I'm no industry expert or anything, but why do you think it won't happen?

[umbral reef]

companies will allow users first that controll

And second would want to work together to even get anything close to that

Cant make your own money that way my dude

[ruby needle]

because games are designed arount their assets

while i can see it becomming a thing across a certain game genre withing vr / meteverses

in normal practises not

not at all

[civic vine]

They are now, but games also used to come complete on carts

[rough pulsar]

Ideally, avatars would be in an encrypted container that gets transferred as usual, but can only be decrypted if the owner is present and able to provide auth to do so.

But then you'd need some way to revoke that auth when the owner is no longer there and I don't know enough about data encryption to know if that's even possible.

[ruby needle]

how is it gonna play back tho

no matter how hard you encrypt shit runtime is always the week point

[umbral reef]

Push- Think of it from a money reason- Game companies have no reason to allow you to use an assets they didnt make or sell you.
They also cant sell you products then (Or well- High end things would be 0,01 after enough time... Its how competition works)

So no way an company will push for making less money

And giving themself a lot of extra work

[rough pulsar]

Idea is making it as hard as possible to get at other people's data to the point only the desperate bother.

[ruby needle]

makes sense ofc

[umbral reef]

While also ruining lots of story telling within there games (a buff dude with summer clothes playing in a winter horror game is uuu.... dumb...)

[ruby needle]

but these who know their job will start building tools

[civic vine]

@umbral reef think of it from a consumer choice point of view, if we didn't have recordable cassette tapes we'd not get CD, we'd not get MP3 and we'd not have streaming media, it's only a matter of time before someone offers the choice and it makes the current approach seem very restricted.

[umbral reef]

I disagree with that a lot

[ruby needle]

hardware and software is 2 different pairs of shoes tho

[umbral reef]

Hardware will always improve anyway- Its how companies stay active- Having a better product and focring competition to legit die...

Its a reason companies like Philips are still strong

Or apply got big

[civic vine]

why is hardware the issue? I never once mentioned a dongle, you assumed that's what I was talking about

[umbral reef]

Apple did things no one asked for- It was super easy and awesome to use so peeps wanted it more and more

But this is really #general-media

[ruby needle]

why do you bring up the dongle now

nothing referenced to it

you used a example with hardware

technogoly which has to be researched and developed

[civic vine]

Ok, Ready Player One, dreadful film, but not totally wrong about how people want VR to be.

[umbral reef]

I honestly judge RPO as SAO

Its an idea- Its an best case thing

We barely got normal pc games that can deliver the things RPO can

[ruby needle]

now

i mean we do look into the future

[vocal shard]

Were having this topic again aren't we?

[ruby needle]

it's gonna come up every once in a while

thats natural

[analog canopy]

Why cant I be my cat girl in cod, this is blasphemy!

[ruby needle]

[umbral reef]

And those games cost a shit ton- Are made by AAA studio's and take years to make-
Lets ignore that making stuff for VR is harder then for normal PC's there is still not an big enough userbase any time soon with good enough hardware to handle the fantasy we got in our minds for those games

[vocal shard]

@civic vine buddy... Just search DSVR...

[civic vine]

One day you'll be on a platform that feels like a theme park, your avatar will enter and leave seamlessly and changing your appearance just wont make sense to a fluid experience.

[ruby needle]

for vr things maybe

for normal games it does not tho

because games are build around a setting