It also doesn't help that the most popular worlds are also incredibly unoptimized (The Great Pug, Hangout House)
#vrchat-general-2
median basalt
vocal shard
everything runs on a single thread
median basalt
@floral aspen this situation isn't gonna change because the devs will probably not be able to update to Unity 2018 until waay later. Several years.
vocal shard
aren't we in 2.2 tho?
median basalt
"It's early access" is not an excuse, games rarely become much more optimized once they leave EA
ruby needle
well
floral aspen
how is a game being unfinished not an excuse?
ruby needle
unfortunately many devs have runied the real meaning of early access
opaque remnant
it's a good excuse
median basalt
The thing is, a lot of the lack of optimization is out of the devs' hands
Because they're on an older version of Unity
vocal shard
vrchat has been in early access for over a year it's just a joke by now
strong hedge
@thorny totem @vocal shard do you mean in unity I can't even see my menu
median basalt
But the least they can do is enforce proper SDK limits on avatars
vocal shard
yes in unity
floral aspen
Game Dev takes more than a year Rin
strong hedge
Ok
median basalt
Why do we still have a 20k poly limit but unlimited materials and dynamic bones?
God only knows
rough pulsar
VRChat's been 'early access' since it first got released anywhere, which was at least a year before it came on steam.
floral aspen
A full game can take 3-4 years to make
vocal shard
they couldve taken that in fucking consideration now could they?
ruby needle
EA doesnt have a time limitation. it's not like this is a paid game
rough pulsar
I do agree with the 20k poly limit being daft though.
floral aspen
no need to start the what-if game
ruby needle
the game remains free
meager rose
But its not...
umbral reef
Then they are asking money and nothing else
meager rose
Paid I mean
ruby needle
even if they add something like avatar slots for payment you know what you buy into
vocal shard
check the payment section
umbral reef
Won't speed up shit
vocal shard
vrchat services
floral aspen
and any monetization will be for user-created content like commissions. The game itself will always be free
median basalt
If I were the devs, I would release an SDK update that raises the polygon limit to 65k but sets a limit of 10 materials and roughly 100 dynamic bones. Maybe less but who knows.
vocal shard
remember?
ruby needle
i personally hope they will make avatar slot upwards of ike 10/20 payed
so peopel dont make tons of shitty avatars
but a few good optimizerd ones
thorny totem
@strong hedge yes probably, depend, could be a cad issue or a Unity one (model origin not set properly)
ruby needle
cus they spend time on one avatar
rather then mass porting MMD's
without any optimization
and hacked SDK's
opaque remnant
those people would get bored quick and quit playing
median basalt
Or they could just enforce optimization
vocal shard
the avatar poly limit is like one block of code
median basalt
Yeah, but most people don't know how to do that
vocal shard
i would if I knew c#
median basalt
So they spend time decimating but spend zero time atlasing
Should be the other way around
vocal shard
^
ruby needle
if you dont know a shit of programming then dont say shit about it beeing easy
median basalt
The people savvy enough to bypass the SDK are also savvy enough to know how to atlas.
opaque remnant
no
vocal shard
i studied C++ and HTML and Javascript
vocal shard
just never C#
opaque remnant
how does that compare to atlasing?
floral aspen
people don't take the time to do any optimization, and you think just because they raise the poly limit people will automatically start atlasting?
median basalt
@floral aspen yes, if also coupled with a material limit
strong hedge
Ok I moved my model up so hopefully it works
vocal shard
ok
rough pulsar
Let's not give any pointers to bypassing the poly limit now. It is against the rules.
vocal shard
have just 1 material
they will be forced to atlas
just like they're forced to decimate now
median basalt
The majority of people decimate their models to under 20k. It's only natural that they would follow material limits if they were implemented. Especially because decimation is hard and makes the model look worse, whereas texture atlasing is lossless.
thorny totem
just a question : if tomorow they gave you a choice, type: we'll move tomorow to Unity 2018, but we will wipe the place clean, Avatars, worlds, accounts maybe? what would you say? you have 1 sec to answer :)
vocal shard
yes
rough pulsar
Limiting to 1 material is actually terrible. 5 max however is more reasonable.
median basalt
We survived a content wipe before and it would make stuff soooo much easier
vocal shard
literally takes no thinking
opaque remnant
a lot of people want a wipe anyways
vocal shard
it was an example
floral aspen
5-10 would be good for a limit
rough pulsar
then it lets you have materials for things that need wildly different shaders. Hair, skin, other, other, other.
opaque remnant
clear out the trash so to say
vocal shard
the knuckles will go away at least
median basalt
No more than 10 tbh
floral aspen
agreed
ruby needle
if you hard enfore one then the limit should be 10
median basalt
Even 5 materials should be plenty to do whatever you want
vocal shard
^
median basalt
Could just warn people above 5 and limit at 10
ruby needle
yes
vocal shard
reminder we are talking materials not textures
ruby needle
while i totally agree for some shader heavy models with effects you might really need more then 5
rough pulsar
My avatar is at 4 materials and they all use pretty different shaders.
thorny totem
@median basalt would you really let that go ? i would, but what about the 6728 others
vocal shard
so shading can still work on hair etc
ruby needle
but definitely not more then 10
vocal shard
also limit to 1 mesh
ruby needle
no
floral aspen
not just one. The you can't do stuff like cloth physics
ruby needle
exactly what tidus said
rough pulsar
One skinned mesh would be mostly fine, with no limits for nonskinned meshes.
floral aspen
cloth physics requires a separate mesh
vocal shard
^
opaque remnant
people keep going on about using cloth physics instead of dynamic bones, yet you want limit mesh to 1?
rough pulsar
Although maybe two or three for physics stuff.
strong hedge
Still didint work trying other things
floral aspen
no one is advocating replacing dyna bones with cloth physics, but you should have that option
ruby needle
but that is what you need rin
shell nest
Anyone know what happened to MMD Nightclub
vocal shard
i never used cloth physics and never will
thorny totem
i do :P
floral aspen
k, thats fine. But other people will
vocal shard
only one dynamic bone component for hair and skirt and props
rough pulsar
It might be temporarily down due to an update and waiting to be accepted as public again? @shell nest
vocal shard
using another mesh will just mad increase drawcalls
shell nest
@rough pulsar I hope that's all, that's my most favorite room
vocal shard
and dynamic bones can also be disabled at a distance
unlike the mesh with cloth physics
floral aspen
even if you just use 1 dyna bone component, each bone in the chain is also considered a dynamic bone.
vocal shard
hey guys my friend cant upload on mac it says it works but it doesnt show i can upload for him he has the right version
and if i disable them when you are 1 meter away from me
play more @vocal shard
about 20 - 40 hours or even less
ruby needle
on mac 
median basalt
Multiple meshes isn't necessarily an issue though
vocal shard
it is because of the drawcalls
floral aspen
having 1 or 2 extra meshes isn't a huge issue
median basalt
What matters is material slots, and what happens if two different meshes share a material
opaque remnant
so your friend uploaded a model, but it doesn't show in the game? did he try restarting the game?
median basalt
Even if it's one material, it's still multiple draw calls
rough pulsar
@vocal shard Are they using the right unity version 5.6.3p1?
shell nest
Any ideas what could cause an
AMD Ryzen 7 2700
MSI B350M
16GB 2400 DDR4
OCZ Revodrive 3 x2
GTX 1060 3GB
Hit 11-15fps and practically stay there all on VRchat.exe in task manager
ruby needle
but if you have different materials anyway it shouldn't matter 🤔
vocal shard
vrchat is already single thread
median basalt
Perhaps each mesh should count as an additional material since having multiple renderers has slight amounts of overhead
strong hedge
My model worked yeustrday but it keeps outing me in the ground could it be my vew point is messed up
shell nest
@ruby needle all i could afford
vocal shard
@opaque remnant yea he has everything right i uploaded to his account it works but when he does it, it does not work i checked everything it says it uploaded but can find his
ruby needle
the difference to the more VRAM verson isn't that much
definitely was a bad decision
thorny totem
@shell nest could be a lot of things
shell nest
It was $150 difference when i bought it
That's a big difference for a girl on disability support
ruby needle
what
rough pulsar
@vocal shard Does it show up in the content manager in unity? (VRChat SDK > Manage Uploaded Content)
vocal shard
yea
shell nest
@thorny totem majority of the time it's peachy... But last night it dived to 11-15fps for over an hour. Was getting so annoying
vocal shard
his sdk is updated
strong hedge
Figured it out for some reason my unity camera is attached to my body
rough pulsar
@vocal shard Have him try to upload something (make sure the blueprint id is empty so it's uploaded as something new) and check the Console in unity after the upload, see if anything there looks out of place.
thorny totem
@shell nest what i meant is you can have the latest hardware, but an out of date OS/Drivers sets or a cluttered system, could be a malware running in the background etc, a lot of things
vocal shard
okay well i made him do the blueprint thing and it didnt fix it before but ill have him do it again
shell nest
@thorny totem it was fresh install last night, Windows 10 pro. All most up to date drivers.
vocal shard
remember to check the console all error messages go there
thorny totem
@shell nest all updates applied i assume?
shell nest
Aye
vocal shard
did it happen on a specific map? @shell nest
shell nest
Tiz nightclub 2
safe yacht
Question to the staff! Do the developers have a Dev tag before their name whilst in game? Or did I just see someone acting like a dev and I should report em?
vocal shard
its his sdk i think hes getting api errors ima make him reimport it
the map might be unoptimized
shell nest
Even happened "outside" as if it was rendering the people in the club
floral aspen
devs have a yellow name bar unless they are in invisible mode or in an alt account
thorny totem
hmm ok, worth digging then @shell nest desktop?VR?
safe yacht
Yeah it was a yellow name and had Dev infront of his name
floral aspen
what was their name?
vocal shard
^
shell nest
It was fine mist of the night it just hit after i enabled the mirror but persisted on client restart
safe yacht
I dont recall, my game crashed when I saw them...
shell nest
@thorny totem VR Oculus
strong hedge
That was wired but I think I fixed it
thorny totem
@shell nest are you on the public beta? Oculus
vocal shard
wait so you think they crashed you or was it incidental @safe yacht
ever since you mentioned reporting
safe yacht
Probably incidental.
vocal shard
ah
safe yacht
It was a game crash, a legit error.
safe yacht
Not just my game dying.
safe yacht
Yeah
shell nest
@thorny totem i think so
thorny totem
same for steam?
floral aspen
steam home is pretty meh compared to oculus home
thorny totem
i mean the beta for steamVR
shell nest
Yeah that's what i mean
thorny totem
hmm ok
shell nest
I have the steamvr as basic as possible
rough pulsar
Same. It's vaguely fun sometimes, but gets in the way. And to be fair who even needs it, the steamvr 'nothing' place is just there for when nothing is actually running.
vocal shard
heard Windows home is more amusing
rough pulsar
Oh the mixed reality one?
vocal shard
yep
thorny totem
what is exactly the CPU/GPU usage when you're in a standard map again? @shell nest
rough pulsar
eh, it's functional.
For me it pretty much exists to be there until steamvr loads and takes over.
vocal shard
i was thinking more about the scenic stuff
shell nest
I'd say 15-30% cpu 75% gpu averages
thorny totem
seems correct hmm
shell nest
@vocal shard the Oculus home default home gets me every time i stand near the edge
rough pulsar
These VR 'home' systems are just glorified launchers for proper VR software as far as I'm concerned.
vocal shard
gets you as in makes you lag?
shell nest
^
vocal shard
could be your gpu
shell nest
@vocal shard no gets me in a sense i feel like I'm about to fall of a steep cliff
median basalt
Oculus home is cool, but it gets in the way
vocal shard
oh
median basalt
And you need to always have it on which sucks
vocal shard
like I said never touched a vr
rough pulsar
Although they do serve a purpose when I'm doing VR demos for people as a basic entry point where I can show them how the controllers work and the boundaries do their thing and stuff.
shell nest
@median basalt right? I hate that is required to be running just to use the headset
vocal shard
not even that mobile shit they call vr
thorny totem
an annoying one indeed useless @rough pulsar
vocal shard
it just grosses me out
floral aspen
I'd barely consider mobile VR actual VR
vocal shard
^
floral aspen
more like a HMD video viewer
vocal shard
yet when I google vr I get slammed with VRbox shit and Samsung gear
thorny totem
@shell nest nothing alarming in your windows logs or in your Oculus logs? tracking problems?
floral aspen
without 6 dof it's a half-assed and gimped experience
shell nest
Nope, all my sensors are in USB 3.1 not even on the same chipsets
thorny totem
sound good hmm
shell nest
And my PCIe SSD does 1200MBps read write
thorny totem
last Nvidia drivers?
shell nest
Yup
rough pulsar
A few weeks ago I went on a VR roller coaster in Norway and it was both horrid and fascinating.
Horrid because gearVR, fascinating because despite having 3dof it vaguely felt like 6dof due to the video syncing up to the ride's physical motion.
vocal shard
i got offered some of those mobile """vr""" headset for a try and honestly the moment i saw them put the phone in I just said "no"
I'm not gonna pay 20 to have a plastic carton around my head
floral aspen
That just makes me wonder how many people's first experience with VR has been tarnished by mobile phone VR
vocal shard
plenty
thorny totem
ok, now the moment it happened did you alt-tab or removed your HMD for a couple of sec/mins? @shell nest
vocal shard
here when I tell my sisters i want vr they say "like the one with the Samsung phone?"
rough pulsar
One common argument against mobile VR is that due to it trying to run before it can walk it gives a very acessable and bad impression of VR which can put people off it, despite how amazing full VR really is.
floral aspen
That's why stuff like Santa Cruz can't come out fast enough. It's more accessible than Full VR but you still get a similar experience
rough pulsar
I've had a few people who've only tried phone-VR try my vive and all of them had the response of "What the fuck was I thinking phone-vr was what VR was. It's shit, THIS is VR" [points at the vive]
shell nest
@thorny totem i might have went to the pond for a second yeah
rough pulsar
Fully standalone lightweight VR is definitely the long-term goal of VR, but we just don't have the battery tech or ability to fit processing hardware into such a small form yet.
vocal shard
just gotta wait till I have a decent pc and an actual vive to impress them
the vive pro is a good step forward
floral aspen
I wouldn't recommend the Vive Pro tbh. Just get an OG Vive
vocal shard
i know but I mean they have the good mindset
thorny totem
you right Gallium but a company prefer giving something even if it's not a great experience, instead of nothing -the all Oculus Go /Gear VR shinanigans...money calls :P . And let's be honest not everyone have hundred/thousand of dollars budget for entertainement, we are priviledged ;)
vocal shard
like they have taken the initiative
rough pulsar
the thing I find that's just as much fun as VR is watching people have their minds completely blown open when trying VR for the first time.
The way their tone of voice and mannerisms change and the pure delight you can hear in their voice when they take it off. It's like a second-hand high for me.
vocal shard
tbh i wouldn't buy one of these if it were my only way into vr
thorny totem
@shell nest ok could be your clue assuming everything you've said is correct; it happen sometime, just restart VRchat
vocal shard
i want to keep my vrginity for an actual vr
shell nest
Vive pro is literally that for professional uses like as a vr cafe
floral aspen
ehh, I wouldn't see the vive pro as a huge step forward. All they did was bump the resolution a bit. Now, stuff like what was in the recent showcase of the Oculus Half Dome prototype is what I consider a huge step forward
rough pulsar
Or people with too much money. :D
thorny totem
lol
vocal shard
crowdfunding is as far as id go begging for cash
I'm an ehoe
not an actual hoe
that's a gardening tool
shell nest
@thorny totem that's the weird part. It persisted thru restarts of VRchat, it wasn't cleared up until i restarted my entire system. :/
floral aspen
There are some issues like that Mrs. Snacks. I had to do a complete system restart last night too
vocal shard
could be something from outside vrchat if that's the case
shell nest
Nothing else based on task viewer was doing anything oddly as it sounds
thorny totem
@shell nest you could just try to restart the Oculus/Steam services instead and clean the cache, but meh the reboot with that kind of SSD is not a problem ;). But yeah take it as an actual bug, you may send your logs if you can
vocal shard
man when will I get a vive and have my own problems to deal with
vital bay
Hello, does anyone know where to download the "Piglet Sad" avatar already made for Unity(vrchat)?
shell nest
@thorny totem heh right like 3 sec to reboot fully 🤣
thorny totem
@shell nest yep :)
vocal shard
unless they posted it themselves
floral aspen
Some people post unity packages for other people to download
vocal shard
i just said that tho
shell nest
@thorny totem I'll remember to capture the logs next time it crops up
rough pulsar
I've seen a piglet avatar in Al's avatar corridors. But regarding where to get the unity files, no idea.
floral aspen
I know, but we kinda posted at the same time so I didn't see unitl I already hit enter
floral aspen
yeah, probably won't find many answers here on where to get the unity package
and yes, don't go to the site which will not be named
vocal shard
try and find the avatar creator and ask him
vital bay
why?
rough pulsar
@vocal shard Mind deleting that message mentioning that site?
vocal shard
most avatars in that site are stolen
floral aspen
not only that, but terribly unoptimized
tranquil perch
or badly optimized, or other odd things
vocal shard
or just broken
rough pulsar
@vital bay that site contains stuff you really don't want. Along with things that will get you banned.
@vocal shard thanks
vocal shard
@rough pulsar done
floral aspen
I've heard rumors of that site containing malware as well
vocal shard
my mobile just fucks up when i mention someone
keyboard drops to 5 fps
for no reason despite discord working fine
floral aspen
das weird
rough pulsar
I think it's because this discord has the upside of... a lot of users
rough pulsar
43000+ users total.
vocal shard
i should probably update my discord app if is not updated already
or my os but that's up to date
thorny totem
or he is dl on p.bay while they're mining coins with his browser :P
vocal shard
who?
thorny totem
everything is possible these days :)
vocal shard
dunno what you're talking about but ok
thorny totem
yeah nvm :)
vocal shard
wait was I the he?
thorny totem
yes !! =D
thorny totem
nah you with your 5 fps
floral aspen
it's only natural to assume everyone on the internet is a dude until proven otherwise lol
vocal shard
god pls optimize
thorny totem
lol Protip Tidus
vocal shard
I'm planning to double trap vrchatters
use an anime avatar so people assume I'm a guy
floral aspen
look out guys, we got a VRCatfish on our hands lol
vocal shard
pretend I'm a guy
then boom
chick
why just traps when you can have reverse traps
thorny totem
everyone knows chicks are an urban legend in Vrchat your trap is flawed
shell nest
I'm not an urban legend 😭
vocal shard
sorry couldn't hear over the 80 pending reports for using a voice changer and not admitting I'm the male mastergender
thorny totem
here snack coming XD
vocal shard
REAL GIRLS SQUAD ASSEMBLE
floral aspen
I've had that happen to me multiple times. Either the dude is using a voice changer or they have a really convincing female voice
We'd be talking about something then mid-sentence their voice drops like 5 octaves lol
tranquil perch
the people with the vocal range to pull it off well are the best 😛
its one of those double take moments
floral aspen
I know a couple that can do it without a voice changer
vocal shard
my mic was so bad my friends actually thought i was a guy
floral aspen
It really fakes you out so now I assume everyone can do it haha
tranquil perch
mic quality can do a lot to perception
shell nest
Huzzah Me https://imgur.com/gallery/nmzVVpl
vocal shard
got a new one and they were shocked
shell nest
I get called a guy all the time cause i have a deeper voice from smoking for 15 years
vocal shard
@shell nest can I just say cute
tranquil perch
apparently i sound a little different between my headset mic and my vive mic
shell nest
Thankies 😁
floral aspen
@shell nest do you have good snacks?
shell nest
@floral aspen always 😁 snacks are my life blood
thorny totem
look at them falling in the trap :O
vocal shard
swapped to a gaming headset
floral aspen
lol
vocal shard
gaming headset has an extremely low input volume
shell nest
I'm not a trap nor did i lay a trap 😔
vocal shard
but its quality is 100%
thorny totem
@shell nest nah you know too much about your computer "Impossibru"
i'll not fall for it :P
shell nest
I went to college in 2005 I'm a certified computer/network technician
thorny totem
they are on TV :)
shell nest
Abby from NCIS is a Goth chick who knows forensics
floral aspen
lol gangweed
RISE UP
shell nest
Yass
thorny totem
nah seriously i don't care, all the same to me, just a series of 0 & 1, i'm just a robot after all
vocal shard
Abby is the best she was my role model for like 4 years
raven silo
there no gender on internet lol
shell nest
Abbys awesome
raven silo
more time guys have girl name and pic in there discord
tranquil perch
i just have memes
rough pulsar
I prefer NCIS:LA
Mostly because it's completely ridiculous, but also becuase Linda Hunt is kind of amazing.
floral aspen
I've never watched NCIS
vocal shard
oof gotta go for dishes
shell nest
NCIS: LA is great also
vocal shard
see y'all later
shell nest
Later
floral aspen
bye bye
shell nest
I have a crush on DiNozzo though
floral aspen
was NCIS the one where they tried to trace the dude's ip by writing a GUI interface in Visual Basic? lmao
rough pulsar
NCIS:LA is kind of like one of those ridiculous summer action movies, only a tv series.
shell nest
So og NCIS is my fav
rough pulsar
I think that was CSI
floral aspen
then was it the one where they had like 2 people typing on a keyboard at once to hack faster? lol
rough pulsar
that was NCIS
shell nest
O.o what he's sexy
floral aspen
haha thought so
so dumb lol
shell nest
NCIS is Naval crimes investigation services
rough pulsar
I hear that scene was done because the directors were aware of how stupid it would come off and was meant to be a joke making fun of hacking scenes in general.
shell nest
Hawt Navy men 🤤
tranquil perch
what show was it where they said somethign about having a guy's harddrive but it was the power supply they were holding?
shell nest
I think that might have been NCIS lol
One NCIS episode they played a Vidya gayme to catch a killer
floral aspen
Even though I know it's on purpose, stuff like that still makes me cringe hard
thorny totem
stop watching Ncis and watch Mr Robot instead then :)
floral aspen
I think I know which episode you're talking about. And it had cringy dialogue like, "I think the killer just leveled up" or some shit like that
floral aspen
I've heard Mr. Robot is really good
modern sand
It really is
thorny totem
one of the best out there, but personal pref
tranquil perch
im out of the loop since ive never even heard of the show
shell nest
Although my most favorite TV series is Stargate SG1
modern sand
Anyone else watch The Americans ?
shell nest
Indeed Dr Jackson!
floral aspen
not I. But then again, I don't really watch much TV
shell nest
I've not seen that
thorny totem
so everytime you jump a portal you're happy right ^^, i've seen a private map with a portal "SG" like
modern sand
I'm 100% TV shows on my computer screen 👌
shell nest
Heh yeah i love the portals 😋
My computer screen in my room is a 40" tv
Running SteamOS
thorny totem
No not yet Ruuubick, i've seen American Gods though epic
modern sand
Definitely epic, can't wait for season 2
thorny totem
me too
modern sand
I love those shows coming out of nowhere and it's super high quality story and special effects
thorny totem
yes was a total surprise for that one
shell nest
@modern sand have you seen Revolution, i was so sad when it ended
modern sand
Nope, what is it about ?
shell nest
Without spoiling is about the entire world's power grid getting shut down and reverting everything back to "Cowboy days" iirc even high end assault rifles and the life's stopped working
Cars stopped working etc
thorny totem
post apocalyptic scifi without zombies :)
rough pulsar
I finished Westworld season 2 earlier this week.
Holy fuck, basically. :O
thorny totem
Westworld is wow
rough pulsar
I love the music in it.
thorny totem
i finished an avatar, not published yet (the white skinned robot)
everything is subtle, music, lights, plots a perfect reboot
rough pulsar
It's one of the few shows where I genuinely love watching and listening to the opening sequence.
vocal shard
It's another amazing Robots become real individuals story, done properly
rough pulsar
And then the stuff that happens in s2 which no spoilers for those not fortunate enough to have seen it yet 🙂
thorny totem
yes a bit deeper than that but pretty much Helton
vocal shard
But in this case they are more like Android's...
I know, I'm staying spoiler free
Not gonna start spilling the beans for no reason without anyone asking me to do so
rough pulsar
I love the fact it's some pretty heavy shit on the subjects of conciosness, free will, reality and such, set upon a semi-sci-fi/western backdrop. And it all blends together so well.
vocal shard
Oh boy 👀 that can spoil it for some peeps
thorny totem
yes some could be put off by the western aspect, but would be a miss
it's a reboot though, the story is already out there since years :)
1973 :O
rough pulsar
Maybe. But exactly how it touches on those is where the fun is, and you gotta see it for that fun stuff.
thorny totem
the thousand years old question : what am i?
rough pulsar
A cabbage with anxiety and a pope hat.
thorny totem
^^
modern sand
lol, i typed Revolution TV show and first result is "NBC's Revolution cancelled" welp
Also, Westworld's season 2 was fucking amazing
the last few episodes had me hooked
thorny totem
stunning plot yep
modern sand
Makes me sad when i type "best tv shows of 2017" and i've watched everything ... But then all the cool tv shows no one heard of are never mentioned so it's cool to try and find them
grave mesa
So nothing is ever gonna be done about client crashers, is it? Somebody was bragging just now about how they can crash people out and permanently damage their graphics card. If I gotta play with everyone by default muted and with their avatars disabled, what is even the point?
median basalt
That is false @grave mesa
You cannot permanently damage anyone's card in this game. Period.
grave mesa
He was saying something about tessellation. Admittedly I don't know much about that beyond that it is a thing.
modern sand
@grave mesa We're working on it, and they can't damage your graphic card.
grave mesa
Well that's good to know at least.
rough pulsar
@grave mesa Also worth noting, anyone who says they can damage your card is bullshitting you.
Last year I had a large 10 minute animation I had to render out for an installation in an art gallery, which took around 3 days. That's 3 days of two of my PCs running at 100% on all available CPUs and GPUs, day and night.
They did not suffer any damage from that length of constant intense use.
vocal shard
They can only tamper with it. Permanently damaging the graphics card would be terrifying and would make people not play the game
thorny totem
ahhh hoax always working on some
but to be honest there is some terrific way to mess with your hardware out there, but requires deep knowledge of the hardware itself
anyway here is the bot i was talking about before, early stage pic https://pasteboard.co/HteCLcJ.png
vocal shard
And we don't know the full potential of the tech of today, so yea, no chance of that happening before a decade or more...
rough pulsar
And when the only custom code you can run is HLSL you're pretty limited in what you can do to the hardware.
thorny totem
yes definatly
rough pulsar
@thorny totem That is as cool as it is unsettling. Which is very. 😄
thorny totem
:D
vocal shard
that's one heavily detailed bot
thorny totem
soon in vrchat, have to finish the retopo erfff i hate that
floral aspen
I step away for a few minutes and come back to another rumor about the Haxors frying your computer lol
vocal shard
but heavy details could help it move properly and humanly
thorny totem
it is finished this is early stage screenshot 10hours in
vocal shard
the script kiddies are an inconvenience.
a big one, but an inconvenience only.
they don't have power past the software
and definately can't hurt your pc's hardware unless it melts into lead on 100%
and if that is the case you should really get better hardware
grave mesa
I won't ever dismiss a rumor as impossible when it comes to the human filth puddle that is the troll.
vocal shard
you can
when it's literally impossible
what is a vrchat troll after all? just someone who has mediocre knowledge of a scripting language sitting in a basement with nothing to do than to be an ass
grave mesa
It's bad enough that I get about ten minutes tops in an active room before somebody comes in and locks my client up.
vocal shard
they're annoying because they want those rumors to be spread about them
they want you to make a reaction and get mad
grave mesa
Well that's why I came here to complain about it. I figured if there was truth others would confirm it.
vocal shard
they're attentionseekers who want to feel important
floral aspen
just know that any rumors involving damage to your hardware are bullshit
vocal shard
just remember, if any of them come and crash you send in a report
floral flaxBOT
You can find your output log at C:\Users\%Username%\AppData\LocalLow\VRChat named vrchat;outputlog.txt
vocal shard
enough reports about one user can get them a lengthy ban
grave mesa
I dunno. Some guy nearly blew out my speakers the other day with sounds that were several several times louder than my current set volume.
vocal shard
they're script kiddies, they tamper with script
probably messed with the audio controller on their avatar
and bypassed the limit
rough pulsar
As a general rule, if someone claims something a bit wild (they can melt your gpu) but can't provide any actual evidence of it, it's bullshit until evidence is provided.
And "it happened to my friend's grandma's dog's sister's owner's 5th cousin, honest!" doesn't count.
floral aspen
they're lower than script kiddies. They just edited some values in the SDK to bypass the audio limit
thorny totem
it's a start though tinkering with stuff is a sign of curiosity, years pass and you have a new kevin mitnick :P
vocal shard
I'm gonna assume he's the Lord of programming
thorny totem
lord nah not really, just highly interested by a subject and it shows
grave mesa
I like to think anyone interested in probing through code and tweaking it to be a giant crap-covered sock is likely not destined for greatness.
vocal shard
Virtual Reality Looking For Partner
thorny totem
just a sign of a curious mind, that's all, meaning the guy probing is a necessity if you think about it. It help patching holes
vocal shard
I'm just tweaking code so I can hang out and watch tv with my vrc crush despite us living miles apart am i destined for greatness
Hi, I need to talk to a mod, I got suspended originally for 30 days. But that suspension ended and i came back yesterday. Today i go to log in and i see im suspended again for another 7 days for the same bullshit.
And i didn't do anything to no one.
floral aspen
lmao Rin I just saw that a few minutes ago. I can't believe it's even real
vocal shard
by you didnt do anything, do you mean nobody blocked you or kicked you from rooms?
floral aspen
Some of the shit that's posted on there is absolute cringe
@vocal shard it is their policy not to discuss bans on discord. You'll need to e-mail them if you want a response
vocal shard
I dont know where to email them
floral aspen
floral aspen
yes try moderation@vrchat.com first
vocal shard
I emailed all 3 of them at once
I got suspended 7 days for crashing users. While its true i did... but i already served my 30 days
I came back yesterday no problem
and then i come back today and im hit with another 7 days when i didnt O_O
thorny totem
you started it, right? knowing the consequences, so yeah take it, mail and wait ;)
vocal shard
if you crashed users then nothing personal but you deserved it
do you realize people like you are now the most hated in vrchat?
floral aspen
yeah, tbh fuck you if you crash users
gloomy patio
2nd most hated behind avatar yoinkers
vocal shard
i could almost be glad you got that ban, good to know vrchat actually bans them
yay more evidence reporting works
my faith in the trust system has been restored
I mean he was already suspended for it. Isn't it kinda rubbing salt into the wound banning him again for something he was already banned for if he genuinely didn't do it again.
floral aspen
I think a lot of the "they don't even ban people" is that a lot people get pissed if the hacker doesn't get banned like right this second
opaque remnant
sounds like the others are misunderstanding the situation
floral aspen
@vocal shard we don't know if did or did not reoffend
umbral reef
Could be the ban was for 37 days and they just could not put it in like that
ruby needle
well... no
umbral reef
I know the max ban was 30 days some time ago and that some peeps got just rebanned to get a longer punishment
vocal shard
maybe he got reported by so many people
umbral reef
Doubt it
vocal shard
we don't know how many users he crashed
might be 1
1 month
might be 40
actually ban them more
teaches them a lesson to never do it again
ruby needle
rin
vocal shard
a small ban is just like a slap on the wrist
doesn't affect them
they just say "lol mods triggered" and move on
ruby needle
if someone was banned for something, and learnd from it and does not do it again that person deverses the same thread for someone now having done anything and getting banned falsely
everyone deserves a second chance
ruby needle
did you even read?
vocal shard
So you are basically assuming he did it again.
opaque remnant
you're not reading what he said correctly, Rin
vocal shard
scroll to his first message
ruby needle
he got 30 days banned, and then unbanned and played but is now banned again for 7 days
vocal shard
SCROLL TO HIS FIRST MESSAGE
thorny totem
@ruby needle you're right. But not sure mods add days or ban again for the fun of it. Give them credit.
vocal shard
"Hi, I need to talk to a mod, I got suspended originally for 30 days. But that suspension ended and i came back yesterday. Today i go to log in and i see im suspended again for another 7 days for the same bullshit.
And i didn't do anything to no one."
umbral reef
He meant that for his 7 day ban.......
ruby needle
well there is automation things going on @thorny totem
vocal shard
"And i didn't do anything to no one."
ruby needle
for the same bullshit means, the same reason given by the ban message
vocal shard
pretty sure crashing avatars requires a hacked client or modification
ruby needle
it actually does not
vocal shard
You seem to be miscomprehending his post. He is saying the ban reason is the same.
umbral reef
Well if you want to think that 👌
But it's clear for me he accepted the 30 days
vocal shard
Not that he actually did it again.
umbral reef
And disagrees with the 7
ruby needle
which is definitely fair
vocal shard
Hey like
vrchat said it was illegal to reverse engineer in their tos
tell me how would you crash a user while completely following with every rule
I only go after those who are racist
doesn't make it better
umbral reef
Also Rin
Any retard can crash people with just unity
vocal shard
or say nasty things to my family okay? lol
ruby needle
it doesnt matter allance
vocal shard
yeah
vocal shard
Regardless i didnt crash anyone yesterday when i came back O_o
nobody cares if they insulted your family
i was just talking to some people
this is the internet
not kindergarten
ruby needle
erm
vocal shard
Haha well i guess you guys arent familar with the online gangs we got running around in VRChat t hen
then*
umbral reef
@vocal shard killing someone who does bad stuff does not make the murder right--
Next time just use the report like everyone does (you know it works)
vocal shard
annnnnd i'm done.
rapid heath
internet sure does feel like kindergarten :omegaLUL:
vocal shard
That are destyoing people's PC's such as Autismo and Desync.
VRChat cant even touch them.
ruby needle
yea... sometimes @rapid heath
umbral reef
Destroying PC's lul
vocal shard
that's just a rumour and you're stupid to believe it
ruby needle
thats not how that works allancaesar
lilac swan
Run Nvidia shadowplay or OBS and clip if someone harrasses you bad enough if you think action should be taken. Send the video as a report.
thorny totem
@vocal shard not knowing him can you vouch for him? i mean how do you know he didn't do it again as soon as he came back? (personaly the only thing real is the 7 days, the story behind it only mods can verify it)
vocal shard
Okay Rin you think what you want. lmao
umbral reef
You know a fair bit of those tards complained they still got banned?
It's more that people do not know you can't report them
vocal shard
its happen to my friends
vocal shard
it happened to my friend is the lamest excuse anyone can think of
scarlet oasis
wow this is like every salty cheater trying to appeal a ban ever
vocal shard
you're better off saying it happened to my dog
They can actually target GPU's and CPU's on VRChat but overloading the GPU with particles, and then the CPU tries to make up for it but cant. frying both in the process.
scarlet oasis
just waiting for the part where the devs publicly humiliate him
vocal shard
Sigh i am not vouching for him. I was saying we shouldnt all jump down his throat saying hurr durr deserved, you did it again when we don't know a damn thing.
umbral reef
My friend imploded so it can happen to anyone :^) spread the news
ruby needle
@vocal shard you can ofc push their processing to the max but that aint getting you anywhere
umbral reef
@vocal shard that is not what windows does bud
opaque remnant
that's not how it works. you know people are 100%ing both the CPU and GPU for days when mining for example?
vocal shard
can confirm my second cousin's pet's sibling's child's aunt combusted
ruby needle
the WORST you can do is cause a overheating shutdown and after reboot all is fine
but modern hardware throttles before it even comes to that case
umbral reef
Windows in the the past borked PC's
They made fixed
Updating bios or windows is hard though
vocal shard
you're just trying to justify your hacking and banning
ruby needle
but generally each GPU and CPU is designed to be able to run at 100% for continous load
vocal shard
All i know is one of my boys got attacked, and someone made it so all his PC's computer fans shut off.
which is totally not working
lol
He was able to save his PC, but his graphics card was dead.
that's CIA levels of hacking
not some kid in their mom's basement
umbral reef
Press x to doubt
vocal shard
X
ruby needle
x
rapid heath
x
ruby needle
thats not how computers work
vocal shard
If you really think people out there dont exist that can do that to you. You are silly.
opaque remnant
i didn't know vrchat leaked IPs
vocal shard
there are
ruby needle
the thing is
vocal shard
they don't play vrchat
umbral reef
Fucking Witcher 3 overloaded my PC when I forgot to turn stuff off (other games) and I bsod
Won't mean shit burns
ruby needle
it might have brought a hardware fault to show
vocal shard
they work for goverments and armies
ruby needle
but it has to already have existed
meaning
any other game / benchmark could have caused the same
vocal shard
they don't live just for you
ruby needle
it already hat a fault else it doesnt just die
vocal shard
Im not gonna talk to a bunch of people who are ignorant and watch Fox News probably too and think Trump is an amazing president.
ruby needle
pls dont cross that line
rapid heath
we aren't all fucking americans here, my god you are ignorant
vocal shard
^^
umbral reef
The only reason hardware can fail is because of bugs aka unupdated drivers, windows, bios
Or already faulty parts
ruby needle
why do all these discussion have to end in insulting....
thorny totem
oh dear...
vocal shard
Please take this over to #general-media
Wow
I come here
and you say he learnt his lesson
lol
to ask a question
AND I GET ATTACKED
no
umbral reef
@vocal shard I'm not even amarican bud 👌 I vote green left... so ignorant
vocal shard
you came here to make yourself look
good
vocal shard
and not get punished for something against the vrchat tos
rapid heath
Rin, you aren't really helping the situation, only escalating it even more
ruby needle
cus you seem to love provokeing
vocal shard
he's trying to make it look like he's the itty bitty victim
Rin you act like you are a perfect angel a role model for VRChat.
i hate those people the most
You act like an arrogant bitch.
ruby needle
rin you have not a single bit of anty prove to
his complain and question was definitely legit
vocal shard
nobody said im perfect
ruby needle
its a 2 sidet sword
scarlet oasis
Victim playing (also known as playing the victim, victim card or self-victimization) is the fabrication of victimhood for a variety of reasons such as to justify abuse of others, to manipulate others, a coping strategy or attention seeking.
rapid heath
I thought we diverted from his complaint a long time ago
vocal shard
I'm not perfect I'm a piece of shit
modern sand
#general-media last time please
opaque remnant
i was onboard with the first part of what you were saying, allan, but then you started talking about things that can't be done and now you're talking politics and throwing out personal attacks
vocal shard
@ruby needle shhhh let the self-grammar Nazi that is high on vitamin gummies and is an insomiac do their thing
vocal shard
im moving on too
away from this topic
By definition you are also listening to me 
@ruby needle
gloomy patio
this chat is so toxic lol
ruby needle
Helton... i... i... 
this is not fair
vocal shard
not a son
gloomy patio
@vocal shard well not everyone just some people lol
rapid heath
ok, now that's worth banning
vocal shard
and he never shot out anything
he was just shot
ruby needle
can all parties just ignore each other please and listen to the admin....
thanks
insult your self in private if you want to continue
vocal shard
Oh you are a female
ruby needle
here we go comfy now 
vocal shard
No wonder why you are so moody. lol
i was going to move on till he went full ad-homenim
keep talking i wont listen
ruby needle
you need to learn when to ignore things
inner cape
The fuq are ya on lads?
vocal shard
@vocal shard oh buddy, just keep digging your own hole
Im not hear to please anyone lol
well too bad I'm used to "insults escalate into physical assault" since i was born
vocal shard
You fucking attacked me for being suspended when i already served it.
ruby needle
TO THE ADMIN
vocal shard
makes it hard to ignore people
inner cape
YA ALL
vocal shard
@inner cape #general-media Ruubick nitro! Now!
inner cape
vocal shard
Thank you
now with that behind us
has anyone gotten nonvr tracking working in vrchat that's not kinect
i can't get my hands on one because everyone sells them with an xbox and i don't want a console im never using
vocal shard
that's exactly what I did
ruby needle
gloomy patio
just go to ebay
gloomy patio
thats a big yikes then
I just use the vive trackers with my oculus tbh I hated using the kinect
vocal shard
i can barely afford a pc let alone a vive so I've been looking for cheaper solutions
ruby needle
just to be warned
the kinect really is a toy
as for FBT
it might not be worth the efford at all
if its really hard and expensive for you to source
gloomy patio
dont even get full body with kincet its a huge waste of money
thorny totem
with the v2 it is full body, but the 3rd party drivers are the issue
gloomy patio
^^^
ruby needle
it is simply not designed for this purpose and required accuracy
thorny totem
i use a v2 for mixed reality and mocap that's more than a ok for a toy ;)
thorny totem
yes i know i can state it non the less
ruby needle
it's really well for animation stuff
but you ran record it 10 times if it messes up the 9 times your tried something and it gliched 
thorny totem
it rarely glitch and if does you can correct it in post
i mean for $30 $40 you can't beat it
ruby needle
self modded?
thorny totem
no with the orignal power supply
ruby needle
the original usb adapter thingy?
thorny totem
yes
ruby needle
which costs a fortune?
thorny totem
alone the price was about $50
modern sand
50€ in france lmao, what a scam
thorny totem
Microsoft :D
modern sand
the kinect itself was 50€
thorny totem
the V2 was €150 new
modern sand
really cool tool though, for what we did back then with the DK2, definitely super cool to have
thorny totem
clearly, too bad they dropped the support though
modern sand
Well, i honestly don't know who else bought a kinect besides people really into Just Dance and companies doing basic mocap or tracking stuff
thorny totem
true :)
modern sand
every couple of weeks you'll see a japanese tweet about some dude who made something dope with the kinect, because it still works well
and it's cheap as hell
thorny totem
yes github is full of project, 3D mapping etc (yeah it's quite bad at it, but can help sometime)
vocal shard
speaking of which
thorny totem
tech wise it's still one of the best with his IR array, for depth sensing
vocal shard
i heard news on sites online that Microsoft was planning to buy github
hopefully that didn't happen
thorny totem
really?
vocal shard
wait as I do a quick Google link is buried in history
scarlet oasis
it did
thorny totem
oh man i missed that
thorny totem
yes i'm looking at it 7.5B what?
ruby needle
microsoft already bought it yesh
vocal shard
please pray with me it doesn't become moderated by vague copyright laws or a paid service
because it would mean the end to game mods, useful fixes and patches, and creativity
ruby needle
you dont exactly buy a service to make the service something else
also microsoft already did a lot with github
vocal shard
microsoft has a track record of ruining things
thorny totem
i'm not worried about that, it's a dev plateform, if it get moderated for whatever reason, they'll just move on the plateform next door
vocal shard
sic. Windows 8
thorny totem
but waw still can't believe it
ruby needle
also github was never a copyright free area.
if you do something on there with copyrighted content then it can, just as before be taken down
ruby needle
if it gets clained it gets taken down
vocal shard
since most games allow no reverse engineering or mods
ruby needle
that has always been the case if someone really wanted to
vocal shard
but Microsoft could get its own mods service that checks content
like facebook
which is equally as bad
ruby needle
could, would, blah blah
ruby needle
and?
yes
anything is always possible with any company
they dont exactly buy it for 7,5 to ruin what it is
vocal shard
however the possibility of them monetizing this is too high
they want refund for those billions
buy a service and gain nothing isn't good business js
@vocal shard a question out of the blue 🤔 are you slightly shivering for no particular reason 🤔
🤔
ruby needle
rin just likes shittalking
vocal shard
what
ruby needle
from what i have seen so far
ruby needle
but you did
vocal shard
uh
what
@ruby needle shhhh calm your German grammar down, I'm trying to negotiate for a replacement
ruby needle
vocal shard
basic economies isn't assuming
ruby needle
asuming they will do shit
vocal shard
I'm applying logic
thorny totem
he is not asking how to upload an avatar after playing 15mins though :P @ruby needle
ruby needle
and instantly worrying and complaining about possible copyright things
vocal shard
Oh might! The German is on the loose!
vocal shard
because 90% of my stuff is on github
thorny totem
german or swiss?
vocal shard
i feel personally affected by this
ruby needle
german
thorny totem
oh ok
vocal shard
@vocal shard you didn't answer my random question 
cold talon
Swiss german
vocal shard
why else would I be worried if Microsoft does anything
shivering slightly @vocal shard
but it's because I skipped lunch again
Oh boy, another me is here
Just in girl version
FUCK
I'm your alt universe I'm here to be a countermod
reee dount steel xd
im sorry that's not who I really am the internet makes me mad
this is a cry for help
thorny totem
that's ok, he is just pushing you a little
vocal shard
I'm always angry online tho
it's my default status
Don't worry, differently than me you are an extroverted ambivert in most conversations, trust me, it's better to take the back seat on conversations
You are not a short fuse
im only an extrovert online because nobody knows me
You are not an agressor
if you did I wouldn't be here
i tend to lose touch with people I know
friends, cousins, teachers, politicians, truck drivers
And all that you want online, is the fun of "now"
I feel really bad when that happens to me
yea
I've realized making friends irl is impossible
i cant muster the strength to perform all my social duties to them
online it's from the safety of my home
there's nobody forcing me to look them in the eye or shake their hand
scarlet oasis
together alone
vocal shard
^
thorny totem
XD
vocal shard
it's surprisingly comforting
scarlet oasis
e unibus pluram
thorny totem
you wouldn't shake my hands?, give me a sec let me block you
vocal shard
You are telling me xD, I literally went into an isolated online community just to get away from my classmates
i would
in vrchat
just not irl
it's complicated to explain
Don't worry
damn @vocal shard thats
exactly what im doing in vrchat
Were all un-sane here (most of us)
i just don't respond well to physical contact
But atleast we keep it to ourselves and only lash out at those who lash out at us
but that's a big minus apparently
indigo fern
Geez, get a room you two
vocal shard
i thought this was a safe server
thorny totem
always the best timing n8 lol
indigo fern
Well now your plan is exposed, and you're the one who exposed it
vocal shard
it's ok I'll take your place anyways
vocal shard
gotta back up a fellow in need
iron heart
look at these young people finding their identity and their place in the world
it's so cute man
modern sand
😐
vocal shard
Have fun, don't be sore by the end of the week please 😊
iron heart
xd
vocal shard
i dont know what i really consented to tho lol
umbral reef
Inb4 rubicks #general-media saying
vocal shard
xD
umbral reef
We are waiting for it 
Give it to us
indigo fern
I don't have nitro, I'm sorry ruuubick, I can't use the emote ;-;
vocal shard
modern sand
It's ok, the emoji lives in our hearts
vocal shard
@vocal shard if you get sore by the end of the week... You are making fun of my endurance
don't worry i stayed up 3 days in a row
how bad could it be
keen mesa
indigo fern
Wait a minute
indigo fern
There it is
vocal shard
"kinks: rec room"
thorny totem
relation type : "trapsexual"? wait what?
thorny totem
make sense sure but hmm i'm confused
median basalt
Lol
modern sand
inner cape
vocal shard
still
inner cape
Move you fools
vocal shard
the site itself is related to vrchat