I'm used to programming with text but nodes are good for just chilling out and building something fun.
#vrchat-general-2
vast tulip
Oh good i can start telling everyone how bad playmaker is for this compared to what we will get!
vocal shard
Yea, i'm the founder of the discord for it
covert chasm
I'm gonna turn off reactions 
indigo fern
:0
indigo fern
uh oh
vocal shard
inner cape
calm stag
Nice
vivid onyx
what is playmaker?
calm stag
Oh hi N8, been a while
shy nest
you'll have to go through me if you remove reactions
calm stag
@indigo fern how have things been?
indigo fern
👀
vocal shard
Playmaker is a visual scripting thing
vivid onyx
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
vivid onyx
oh god
lone sierra
all those people that spent $65 on it are getting fucked now
vivid onyx
fukin hell, $65
vocal shard
Lol
vivid onyx
the system needs to be self sustainable
lethal meteor
65 wasn't a complete waste for me. The 90 dollars on shader forge was though.
vocal shard
To be fair, C# isnt exactly the easiest to learn
keen mesa
c# is hyper easy
lethal meteor
c# via whitelisting users
keen mesa
It's one of the most intuitive langs
lone sierra
granted i dont follow this too closely, but maybe you shouldn't be announcing support for $65+ systems and getting your players to buy and learn it only to go "oopsies, sorry, we aren't using that"
polar bone
c
vocal shard
then make a vrchat addon for it
sage pewter
Establishing battlefield control. Stand by…
I UNDERSTOOD THAT REFERENCE
vocal shard
would save alot of time 🤔
vivid onyx
@lone sierra did they tell people to buy it?
polar bone
Several people are typing...
shy nest
buying something before its implemented
vivid onyx
^
polar bone
No brainfuck is our language of choice
gentle needle
But here's what I'm wondering
vast tulip
Hi tupper, can you...?
gentle needle
Is this going to be a thing just for worlds or will it see some use in avatars?
vast tulip
Why don't you just...?
thorny totem
Yes give us script access now so the malicious guys can s.... us even more but with style, please do it...hmmm @vocal shard
vivid onyx
Several people are typing...
sage pewter
No, it's okay. They're making CnC Rivals now! IT'LL BE WAY BETTER THAN KANE'S WRATH
pallid vapor
Ughhhhh, there goes the money I spent on Playmaker :(
lone sierra
you wanna know why so many devs sit on announcements for so long?
because they know it's smart to wait until shit is finalized so you don't mislead your customers and get them invested in something that's not final
it'd be a smart idea to take some notes from that and if you're unsure about the implementation of a program, don't tell your userbase that it's gonna be a useful tool a few months down the road
that gets people buying shit, investing time in learning it, etc
i know you can say that it's useful for other things but something tells me a good number of people here aren't looking to dev full on unity games with it
polar bone
Several people are typing...
quick steppe
22st
covert chasm
@sage pewter 
vivid onyx
i get the feeling The Civ is being side stepped
drowsy wigeon
totally bought playmaker already 
vocal shard
Same lol
alpine cove
I guess it's a good thing they never actually announced that Playmaker was being added then
lone sierra
Yeah
I'm not gonna push my point but I like how my point has been ignored for CnC posting
quick steppe
can only blame yourself
vivid onyx
or that it was 100% going to be added?
lethal meteor
people bought it so they can get practice using the tool
keen mesa
buying unity assets
not just torrenting them from cgpeers
languid beacon
user scripting wooooo
pallid vapor
There was an announcement that Playmaker was on sale in the announcements channel actually :(
quick steppe
OH GOD... wut
shy nest
if you have $60 for an addon you're obviously well enough off for it not to matter
alpine cove
you've been making it clear for 5 minutes now
compact flint
this chat...oof
quick steppe
no idea what that is
drowsy wigeon
not happy about it, but not much to be done there
north axle
What is going ooooooonn
lone sierra
yeah
you can't fucking advertise to your users and creators that they should pick up something that expensive when you dont know if you're gonna use it or not
you can sidestep my point all you want but it's insane nonetheless
pallid vapor
Yea, I'll live. Just makes me sad
drowsy wigeon
bought it to get the practice in so i could go straight into making worlds but oh well 
lone sierra
you outright told people to pick it up
quick steppe
GCC Ronda
vocal shard
Yeah
vivid onyx
I mean, if all they said was it was on sale
vocal shard
Rip GCC am i right haHAA
quick steppe
haHAA
vivid onyx
then its kinda the peoples fault
karmic bear
Knew this was coming for a while. Still pissed off.
vivid onyx
for buying it without reason
pallid vapor
There also were several mentions of it coming in the official Dev videos
north axle
There was a reason.
vivid onyx
did they say "it might" or "it will"
north axle
In fact, VRChat team even promoted PM during a sale.
languid beacon
in a nutshell it was confirmed that vrchat is not getting playmaker and instead will be developing their own free of charge scripting api, some people are mad about it as they went and bought playmaker
vocal shard
@quick steppe fr tho, do you actually play VRchat or just here lmao?
north axle
I'm glad we're not going to use it, but damn, that must hurt.
quick steppe
just here... been learning world dev slowly
vocal shard
Oooof
karmic bear
You mean they're implementing a drag and drop node system which will be literal hell to implement advanced features
vivid onyx
^
vocal shard
v
thorny totem
@languid beacon world first problem right ;)
vivid onyx
node systems man.....
keen mesa
Why not make a wrapper for general use
vocal shard
E
keen mesa
and allow using that wrapper in scripts
vivid onyx
maybe they will get the node system right tho?
vocal shard
🇪
lone sierra
i wish someone would address this or apologize beyond "lol you can use it to develop your own games though!!!"
because i can tell you probably only 10% of the people here are gonna use it for that
this is horrendous handling of this whole situation
alpine cove
it doesn't matter if they get it right or not
for months now it's always the same handful of people complaining about literally every update
karmic bear
Instead of letting great devs make great things they've opted for letting everybody be the same shade of mediocre
alpine cove
and yet they're still here
i don't have enough fingers on my hands to count how many times an update has "killed vrchat" in the last 6 months
karmic bear
Oh this won't kill VRChat
vast tulip
I can say for sure this is a very good thing. When i started playmaker beta, what the new node system is is what i thought/ hoped playmaker was at the time
quick steppe
blueprint
karmic bear
It's just a hugely wasted opportunity
delicate stump
thats the typical opinion
alpine cove
you've called it gay 15 times in the last 10 minutes
delicate stump
artists love the visual scripting but programmers detest it
alpine cove
we're very aware of your opinions by now
vivid onyx
i still dont know if they said "it might" or "it will" be in vrchat
alpine cove
yep, just like all the previous updates that set precedents and destroyed the entire community of the game
languid beacon
was it confirmed its graphical only? no option to just manually call fuctions?
kind folio
so vrchat pretty much advertised playmaker on sale and everything
and we bought it
in hopes it was coming
and wasted money
thanks vrchat
great dev team.
shy nest
you probably bought a vr headset for this free game, cry more lmao
languid beacon
well i mean
kind folio
dont make the same mistake
lone sierra
yeah
i dont care what they're implementing
my only beef is how fucking horrendously this was handled
with absolutely no comment
karmic bear
And a little bird has told me that Playmaker has been off the table for a long time. And they let people get hyped all the same
thorny totem
@lone sierra you should take it as a valuable lesson, don't invest in alpha nor beta stage, if you do you sign for trouble ;)
delicate stump
I paid for UE4 but then it went for free, I didnt go mad because I had been practicing with it for months
plain ridge
They literally mentioned it was on sale, it's a cool thing to grab if you want it. Doesn't mean they had any plan to definitely add it.
kind folio
lol what?
lone sierra
@thorny totem exactly, i didn't even buy it myself
but that doesn't excuse this shit handling
kind folio
Theyve been saying for months
lone sierra
a dev team needs to be responsible for this stuff
kind folio
that they were implementing playmaker
vivid onyx
you know, advertising somthing is not the same as saying that they will implement it, now if they said "it WILL" be in vrchat then theres a problem
alpine cove
a dev team needs to be responsible for your decisions?
plain ridge
They've been saying for months they are looking into adding playmaker, it's being tested.
alpine cove
wew
lone sierra
like i mentioned before, there's a reason devs sit on announcements for months, and its so THIS doesnt happen
vivid onyx
ok so they didnt say it will, they said they were TESTING
languid beacon
I'm curious what the people who regret buying playmaker wish for vrchat to do about it
plain ridge
They have never said "Hey, we are 100% adding this, so go buy it for only vrchat"
kind folio
Yes
mint hearth
i have a huge request for all of u
kind folio
Did you not see the video
vivid onyx
then its the playerbases fault
thorny totem
@kind folio roadmaps changes you know, yes it's a thing
wicked night
how long till i can upload an avatar?
lone sierra
Imagine blaming the playerbase for buying a program advertised by the fucking dev team to the community frequently, and sending notifications for sales of said program
north axle
Well, they had their plans at first. They were going to use PlayMaker for sure, but there were no official announcements from the entire team.
kind folio
Then dont be an ignorant dev team and advertise playmaker on sale for 30 bucks lmfao
vocal shard
internal beta and 100% adding it is not the same tho
mint hearth
i need 3k people on my server then i can have a pfp gif
vast tulip
You still own playmaker that you can fully use for anything outside of vrc so it's not like you have lost something
vivid onyx
they advertised it yes, but that never ment they were 100% going to add it
vocal shard
you guys need to chill a bit and test the system yourself before whining so hard Q_Q
alpine cove
i'm not a member of the VRChat dev team, so no
lone sierra
these are horrendous excuses because not everybody here is a game dev using it for their own purposes
lethal meteor
rip the 65 dollars :>
karmic bear
@vast tulip If you honestly believe that then I have a boat to sell you
languid beacon
@wicked night too lazy to find the paste, but you are being monitored for good behavoir. assuming you play nice, about 30 hours of play time
delicate stump
they would say "we are looking into..."
vivid onyx
people made an assumption and then they went on it as fact
kind folio
Them saying "We plan on implementing playmaker into the game ein the future" means that is what they are doing
Its not a fucking assumption
ocean bramble
Glad I didn't buy Playmaker
alpine cove
if you bought a game dev tool for $65 strictly to create worlds in vrchat, you were probably already wasting the money
kind folio
If they said that
north axle
Having PlayMaker is a nice thing, but it's also expensive for some users.
alpine cove
i'm not saying you're wrong or overreacting, i'm just asking you to stop saying the same shit over and over for 15 minutes. :)
vivid onyx
is that a quote from what they exactly said?
vast tulip
@karmic bear you aren't allowed to use playmaker in unity anymore?
lethal meteor
Not a waste, but I will say this was unexpected.
lone sierra
it's not a fucking assumption holy shit
they said multiple times they were implementing it and fucking advertised it to the player base specifically
there's tons of updates and posts where they stressed the importance of it and boom, fucking gone
65 dollars
alpine cove
yeah, and a ton of kickstarter games were going to be released
and then they didn't
shit happens
pallid vapor
Yea, but so is Dynamic Bones and a lot of other important creation tools
alpine cove
if you bought something before it was officially implemented, you were taking a risk
period
vivid onyx
If they did said specificly that they were going to add it then yes i agree thats shitty
karmic bear
@vast tulip and a boat in the middle of a desert would still make a good shack. Doesn't make it a worthy purchase
plain ridge
Then don't use it?
lone sierra
@alpine cove i know you seem to think the dev team can't do wrong but this is absolutely their fault for getting their playerbase invested in it
you cant pin everything on the playerbase
alpine cove
lmao
dapper sentinel
Very little people here have/had any intention of using Playmaker outside of VRC related things
alpine cove
tupper didn't input your credit card information into unity
languid beacon
whyyyy would people buy it early
keen mesa
actually buying things
alpine cove
it sucks if you bought it in hopes of using it for this
lone sierra
holy fuck imagine strawmanning this hard
yes it sucks but its not the users fault
alpine cove
but you are literally always taking a risk investing in something that is not actually released
dapper sentinel
That being said, Playmaker itself wouldn't be too good to use for VRC (as the medium says)- the new system is much better
kind folio
Hey vrchat, hire a press team.
alpine cove
i don't think you know what a strawman argument is
but okay
i'm not attacking you, i'm attacking your position, which is literally the opposite of a strawman argument
vivid onyx
well tempest, they did make a risk investment, but that doesnt mean that the vrchat team shouldnt be responsible for not doing it if they said they were going to
lone sierra
you keep saying the same shit over and over and going, BUT YOU MADE THE RISK!
vast tulip
How many times did the internet need to tell people not to preorder things? ;P
ruby needle
@keen mesa for people like you i alwas hope you once create something you try to sell just to see others copying the crap out of it and not earning a single peny of your work
lone sierra
but it's not supposed to be a risk if a dev tells you over and over and over that it's GOING to be used, GOING to be important, GOING to be implemented
vivid onyx
no
languid beacon
ok so serious question to anyone currently upset, what would you want vrchat to do, right now, that would make you stop being angry
vivid onyx
thats still a risk
alpine cove
then you're living in a fantasy world
lone sierra
it's not supposed to be a risk if the dev sends you fucking sale links to the program
karmic bear
Tempest, you're sort of on the other side of the same coin. Yes investing was a risk if the word of the wasn't fully trustworthy. So people who invested gambled and lost AND VRChat are kind of dicks for this.
alpine cove
where everything that someone says happens 100% of the time
lone sierra
if the dev advertises it in every blog
keen mesa
so sad
kind folio
if the devs say theyre implementing something, thats THEIR responsibility with the backlash.
shy nest
in the 3 videos the first one is the only one that mentions implementing, the second mentions a closed beta and the 3rd just doesnt mention it whatsoever
fierce trail
They had also said it was coming in the town hall awhile back. I would of waited till release to pick it up though. https://www.pscp.tv/w/1yNGamXomAjGj
vivid onyx
its still a risk, if you cant use it right after you buy it
lethal meteor
getting a refund from the developers will vary.
vast tulip
At least try
lethal meteor
but shoot them an email
vivid onyx
pew pew
kind folio
@fierce trail most content creators i know didnt do that as something like that isnt the easiest to learn, and it would take months after release for playmaker to really be put into effect into vrchat worlds if that were the case.
quick steppe
curious if they update the unity version for this
floral aspen
I remember that town hall rickity. They had a huge ass monolith drop from the sky announcing playmaker support
quick steppe
one can hope
kind folio
^^^^
elfin elbow
Especially for world builders to get used to the tools they said they were going to implement so when it is implemented, this is a real low blow. Any sort of warning that it could be considered being replaced would have been better. I pulled the trigger after waiting and heard it went into BETA support, since usually thats a great sign that things are going well.
lethal meteor
on most cases, asset developers will not honor the refund due to the asset's use.
lone sierra
no, it doesnt happen every fucking time but it's important that devs are held accountable for what they invest their community in, and no matter how you look at this situation, no matter what you think of the devs, or the program, this was handled in an insanely unprofessional way that leads to mistrust between the devs and community, and is generally an absolute fucking mess because they've spent time investing their user base in a program that was basically a guaranteed implementation, only to drop support at the last second, leaving everyone who spend money and practiced on a highly advertised program in the dust, with little to no apology
kind folio
we're not salty about that
quick steppe
complaining here is going to accomplish nothing
kind folio
we're salty about wasting our money because of a bad dev team.
shy nest
well considering unity technologies is an EU country getting a refund seems actually somewhat possible. If it was an american company on the other hand? yeah kiss that money goodbye lmao
kind folio
not that theyre swapping it out for their own system
lone sierra
i'm not even saying the devs are bad, im saying they handled this unprofessionally
languid beacon
oof be back in a week when the drama dies down
tidal aspen
it's more so they hyped it up enough to the point there it seemed to be confirmed
vocal shard
playmaker does have a 30days refund policy btw
quick steppe
well, you don't even know the possibilities of this node system
quick steppe
so you can't really make an assumption that is will hamper creators
elfin elbow
tbh, im not salty it got removed. I'm kinda excited to see what this new system will accomplish, but I am salty with how it was handled. Any sort of warning to the community to not purchase it would have helped, but it was simply hyped up quite a bit with no signs of halting the hype train.
floral aspen
I'm just kind of irked that we have to wait even longer. We've been waiting almost a year for playmaker, and now we have to wait for them to make their own implementation from scratch.
burnt glade
I don't care whether they stick with playmaker or make their own thing but I feel sorry for the people that got caught up in the playmaker hype and ended up purchasing a product they'll probably never use now
alpine cove
you must not have been here long Russian. it's built on assumptions of the worst.
every update it's like the apocalypse is coming
vivid onyx
how do you know its going to be shitty?
elfin elbow
LOL
ruby needle
the real apocalypse comes with a wipe from a unity upgrade
vivid onyx
sanders....
kind folio
@alpine cove
alpine cove
when they added the particle limits people exploded, then when they removed them people STILL exploded about how they would be back later
kind folio
its because they dont know how to make a game
karmic bear
Tempest can you take the Dev's dick out of your mouth for a second and listen, people aren't freaking out they're just annoyed. They're all grown ups they can survive without your protection.
thorny totem
$65 to learn that not everything goes as planned is quite a discount if you ask me ;). I've lost a 100k car to learn that lesson =P, i want a refund !!!
alpine cove
and yet here you are Tree
vivid onyx
and the chat paused
kind folio
You know what, I would be okay with all of this
alpine cove
still participating in the game they don't know how to make
kind folio
IF
alpine cove
lmao
kind folio
bruh
keen mesa
tupper please tell me this is a meme https://cdn-images-1.medium.com/max/2000/1*beXa66JEdIyHl59g427A9g.png
lone sierra
tempest holy fuck get your head out of your ass
people can complain without you stepping in for devs and white knighting
what you're bringing up isnt even what people are complaining about you dipshit
kind folio
go fuck yourself l mao
alpine cove
yeah i'm the one with my head up my ass :^)
karmic bear
Yeah ok Tempest is on ignore for me now he has nothing to contribute besides some sort of notion that is a team VRChat vs team haters or something, those of you who wish to have a civil conversation I suggest you do the same.
alpine cove
whatever you say
vocal shard
can we please all chill down a bit, no need to flame each other...
alpine cove
"civil conversation" >literally people calling the dev team bad
keen mesa
CUSTOM AVATAR SCRIPTING
shy nest
blocking someone on discord
you'll get even more ignored with the massive blocked message boxes
kind folio
- Tempest, have you made a decently big world, not an avatar world 2. Have you used playmaker before
lone sierra
Ah yes, I have my head up my ass because I'm making solid points about a single fucking point rather than constantly diverting the conversation to unrelated issues just so i can win
but moving goalposts isnt what we're here to do
alpine cove
no because i wasn't going to buy a $65 piece of game development software just to make worlds in the game that spawned ugandan knuckles
lmao
lone sierra
Tempest holy fuck
So who's shitting on the game now?
shy nest
tree, you said the devs dont know how to make a game. do you? just curious
alpine cove
not me?
kind folio
No, but I know what they are doing is NOT how to do it properly.
gleaming kraken
is something wrong with the vrchat upload servers?
lone sierra
I was just bringing up the fact that his validation for not spending money is that the game is just used for spawning ugandan knuckles stuff
gleaming kraken
im having off an on problems with uploading
lone sierra
that's an insane devaluation of the game's purposes and what you can do
alpine cove
my validation for not spending the money is that it's game development software
lone sierra
🤔
alpine cove
and i don't think it's worth $65 just to make worlds in vrchat
kind folio
???
karmic bear
I can think of one out for this and that's if one of the nodes is just "CODE BLOCK" which you can use to basically sidestep this horrible node graph system. Otherwise any great maps that are made will be made despite of this node graph turd not because of it.
shy nest
yo chillax dickhead it was just a question
lone sierra
if you enjoy making shit then yes it is
ruby needle
@gleaming kraken you should try a different channel there is a heafty discussion going on
gleaming kraken
sureeee
alpine cove
discussion is a pretty strong word
kind folio
tempest, people make a living in vrchat shit
alpine cove
we're all just insulting people
kind folio
you think 65 is nothing?
lone sierra
tempest i dont know how hard it is to understand that some people enjoy making shit
alpine cove
because that's what discussions in here turn into after an update
ruby needle
¯_(ツ)_/¯
lone sierra
maybe that's a bit telling of how the devs handle the community?
kind folio
- 65 for a hobby is not bad. 2. $65 is not bad for helping you make a living.
shy nest
lua
karmic bear
Otherwise this is going to burn out serious devs and all VRChat will have to show for their work is edgy teens making meme buttons
vivid onyx
i was joking about javascript
alpine cove
personally, i think it's more telling of how entitled people are over a free to play social game
karmic bear
Which is maybe what they want
kind folio
@shy nest I was saying, I would be fine with all of this, if they handled the situation better, an apology, confirmation on what they did wrong, even them to acknowledge what happened, even if they dont apoligize
but they didnt do anything
karmic bear
Maybe they'd rather have everybody making junk than lesser people making amazing shit, hell it's their world
lone sierra
Tempest holy fuck my dude
People aren't entitled for wanting good communication between devs and community, and not wanting to be advertised 65 dollar programs that never get used
kind folio
they completely ignored it.
vivid onyx
Tempest both sides are not seeing eye to eye
shy nest
oh i hope you didnt think I was calling you a dickhead tree haha, was seriously just curious
thorny totem
@lone sierra slow down a bit at best you're talking for yourself not the community.
kind folio
oh yeah ik
definitely dont know how to make a game, but I know how to handle a community.
and this is not how
at all.
glad rose
free game no bitching
glad rose
[several people are typing]
lone sierra
@thorny totem I may be speaking for myself but I assume that most people want good communication from the devs, no?
alpine cove
i think you're speaking for yourself in your belief that the devs do not communicate
kind folio
You think being ignorant in a situation is mature @vocal shard ?
lone sierra
Bruh what the fuck
I never said they don't communicate
Dont put words in my mouth
I said people want GOOD communication
covert chasm
Hey guys, dropping in to ask that you chill a bit. Discussion is fine, but attacking people or insulting people doesn't belong here.
kind folio
tupper (:::
vocal shard
U all smel
no not at all, i just like having civil discussions instead of flaming each other
quick steppe
oh boi here we go!
alpine cove
i think the communication has been fine, and based on the level of communication in the past, i make the assumption that as soon as they had decided playmaker was out, we were told
shy nest
here we go 
covert chasm
There's really no "but", don't be a jerk. 😛
thorny totem
@lone sierrayou're right, but you know as i do it's a small team working on a free game, so... be proportional please
kind folio
vivid onyx
can i make it in jaaava?
alpine cove
i've seen no reason from past dev communication to believe that they've just been withholding the dropping of playmaker out of some kind of spite or something
lone sierra
Dude when the fuck did I ever imply it was done out of spite?
Where are you getting this?
kind folio
they were "beta testing"
covert chasm
For clarification, the amount of time between the internal decision and the announcement was about as short as reasonably possible.
kind folio
thats the last thing we heard.
lone sierra
I'm saying that there just should've been more communication about the fact that it might not be used
plain and simple
kind folio
i agree civ.
lone sierra
i dont think there's some deep conspiracy here
they just needed to communicate that its not final better
idle elm
👀
shy nest
kind folio
They definitely were testing, believe it or not it was in the game as it is right now, but it was all blacklisted.
I trust that
karmic bear
There's no conspiracy, The VRChat dev team just don't have their shit in order. They're still reeling from Christmas and making this up as they go along
keen mesa
It wouldn't be hard to allow custom scripting and block the classes they want via reflection
elfin oar
thorny totem
communication don't spawn out of nowhere it's man hours we are talking about. Valuable time @lone sierra
keen mesa
Just analyze the assembly before executing the script
sly veldt
I've been making games for 30 years including starting Blizzard and designing things like WarCraft and StarCraft. I've got a solid track record of successful games and companies. I'm one of three execs at VRChat. I also play VRChat every day. You can bet that I helped shape this decision. It's a really good one. It's gonna be awesome. If I didn't believe that I would not have allowed it to occur.
meager laurel
Seems like they are essentially writing a graphical programming language
karmic bear
Which is ok, I can't think of many better reason to be knocked on your ass than "Oh holy hell we're far too successful"
kind folio
Like I said
Im 100% fine with the decisions of NOT using playmaker
just pissed with the communication
vivid onyx
If its going to be a good node based API then it needs to have most, if not ALL of the functions normal coding has
kind folio
Even if tupper said the internal decision was very soon before the announcement, its been months since they first OFFICIALLY announced it.
more than months lol
karmic bear
If you've got 30 years experience in Dev I trust you're smart enough to have included a workaround for a god damn lego block language for people that don't want/need it.
keen mesa
Graphic programming is a pain in the ass
You end up with a gorillion nodes just for a midly comlex behaviour
quick steppe
holy shit... some of you are so salty about a thing you have no idea how powerful it is
kind folio
russian
lone sierra
exactly
okay, im gonna make one last post about it and make it as clear as possible
- The devs should have made it clear throughout the entire testing of Playmaker that the decision was not final
- The devs should not have advertised it to their community with links to it on sale
That's literally all
That's all im asking for
kind folio
its because most of us have tried / used playmaker, and how easy / useful it is
quick steppe
congrats, they arent using it, get over it
kind folio
alpine cove
but a testing phase is just that
kind folio
have you ever made a world russian
alpine cove
you use it to test things and see if you're going to use them
kind folio
no? you dont have a say.
vivid onyx
telling someone to get over it is not a good way to handle an argument/conversation
alpine cove
there hasn't been much of an example of how to handle an argument/conversation in the last 30 minutes tbh
sly veldt
It's building on the SDK we already have and expanding it in really cool ways.
kind folio
especially people who don't have a clue what they're talking about 
alpine cove
so everyone? unless you're on the VRChat dev team I assume you haven't used their system
rapid heath
who the hell are you to decide if someone has a say in smth or not? the entitlement some people have here is just ... jeez
sly veldt
I have sat at my midi piano and played it with expression to a midi piano in a vr world. That's one tiny thing but so many amazing things are coming.
vivid onyx
Lost Viking, are you going to make it have the ability to open/close long nodes like when you click the arrow beside a function to shorten it?
kind folio
Couldnt you do that with external assets tho viking. We've done it with dynamic bones, all that shit, its all external assets that work with vrchat. Look, I dont know much but will it really be easier to make your own node system when you could just fine tune the existing playmaker system to your game?
carmine mural
So how many more month until we get something public for the node graph?
karmic bear
90% of the best stuff that has come out of VRChat worlds on a mechanical level have come about by means of bending the rules of into loops, Playmaker or whatever is now replacing it was supposed to give us the opportunity to work with the SDK not against or around it.
alpine cove
it sounds like the new system is going to work better with the SDK than even playmaker
since it's part of it
covert chasm
^
kind folio
but the thing is
compact flint
nope, just been watching this,this whole time
kind folio
can they do it well in a decent amount of time lol.
compact flint
lol
kind folio
from what it sounds like, theyve been working on this node system for a long time.
vocal shard
i really hope we will be able to integrate streams in our future worlds with that system :D
kind folio
cause announcement today, internal decision was apparently not long before the announcement
but how long have they been developing this external system.
vivid onyx
Long text by viking incoming?
vocal shard
would be so much fun to watch esport events in vrchat
not sure where to ask but is this ok when installing the SDK? https://gyazo.com/2f5983ecaafc661e724e1a4b2bbfdc97
kind folio
yes
thorny totem
i really feel that the Playmaker dev was counting on it, juicy apple gone?, Tree are you the playmaker dev? ;) (i'm kidding of course, or do i?)
covert chasm
@vocal shard You're on the wrong version of Unity, probably.
kind folio
as long as youre using unity 5.6.3p1
if its the right version its likely another asset.
alpine cove
worlds that let you watch streams/videos dynamically would be dope
vocal shard
RIP
alpine cove
i know you can embed video now, but it's set in stone once it's embedded
vocal shard
i'll update then
vivid onyx
is there anything we CAN be told about the planned features of the system that we can count on?
north axle
I wonder how soon it's going to become public.
vocal shard
i already build a world for agdq in hope we get stream support for the sync_player in 2k19
kind folio
@north axle
ruby needle
agdq 
kind folio
Not a short time I imagine
ruby needle
SpeedCon best marathon tho 
north axle
Yeah, but I mean, a month? 2 months? 3 months? 4 months? 5 months? Half a year?
plain ridge
Can probably expect some time in the closed beta so they can iron out any issues before it goes public. Maybe have it released in small parts as they begin to add in different features as they can get tested.
kind folio
but honestly, not long. in the screenshots it looks like they have a decent system set up already.
with how long it took them to test playmaker and finally say "no", expect a long time.
granite coral
so, like the idea of this system, but the way you guys managed the entire playmaker thing was a bit... disappointing at least
versed magnet
has anyone ever had the issue where you can't edit the "New Avatar" screen in unity when attempting to build & publish?
vocal shard
@versed magnet press the pause button
alpine cove
I'm not sure why it started happening to me
versed magnet
wow that was it
vocal shard
@kind folio how do i make sure/ get to the right version?
versed magnet
lol thanks guys
alpine cove
maybe something with the latest SDK update
vocal shard
you're welcome
kind folio
one second @vocal shard
alpine cove
but i feel like it just randomly started happening
kind folio
https://unity3d.com/unity/qa/patch-releases/5.6.3p1 @vocal shard
vivid onyx
yeah that looks like it will work out pretty well
ruby needle
@vocal shard https://vrchat.net/download/unity
vocal shard
thank you
alpine cove
it looks more intuitive than shaderforge
kind folio
"Unity Editor 64bit"
alpine cove
oof
vivid onyx
it reminds me of blender
plain ridge
Just a thought, they probably found some issues during testing of playmaker. They worked on finding a way to fix that in closed beta, but as a backup began looking into their own system in case they could not get around whatever issues may or may not have been there in playmaker. In the end, couldn't implement playmaker as they saw fit for their game, and went with plan b.
karmic bear
See the thing is and I and possibly others I don't know want this to be a success. We want to take it and build really cool stuff, but a late term flipflop on a whole dev system with minimal feedback and a screenshot that looks like a greyscale version of something written in Scratch does not inspire confidence.
kind folio
^
vivid onyx
it does not look like scratch
kind folio
It felt like I was reading a buzzfeed article with how little information it had lol
vivid onyx
it looks like it has more capability then scratch id say
sly veldt
I can tell you instead of guessing
kind folio
well its going to be made for their sdk so it will have more capability to do what they want
sly veldt
But in a team meeting here. I'll type more in a bit
vivid onyx
thank you viking
sly veldt
in summary this is the best way forward for team and you guys
straight up
It's something Id rather use as a creator to
too
kind folio
viking, make an official announcement for it, not in this chat. needs to be official my boyy.
sly veldt
It's officially announced already
kind folio
well
sly veldt
and I helped shape that announcement
sly veldt
I/we mentioned all the key points in the annoucement
kind folio
🤔
sly veldt
haha what are you after? I'm just saying. No need to guess on why we made a choice.
inner cape
Huh? 
vocal shard
have you actually worked on the Lost Vikings?
sly veldt
I designed it and did most of the art for it
vast tulip
I can say with 100% certainty, what we are getting is what a wished playmaker was and I'm super glad we are getting this over playmaker
sly veldt
Yup. Out.
kind folio
ight
vocal shard
wow, thank you for this awesome game. it was the first game i've ever played :)
vivid onyx
they have a link on the page to a canny for asking for features at the very bottom i noticed
jolly totem
Yeah, I am super excited about this too, rather it be in-house like the new system. In the long run, I think this'll be the best choice for VRC
compact flint
wait from the nes?
sly veldt
Makes it easier for us to update, maintain, shape, add features with community (as we do with the app), add things playmaker didn't or won't ever have like OSC support
kind folio
im excited for the new system but i just hope its not 100% more complicated for people who dont know how to use nodes / scripting. because I got into playmaker, and it was suuper easy to use and learn for me.
karmic bear
If you're going to be answering questions what would you say to rumors that Playmaker was a dead duck as far back as mid/late May?
kind folio
^^^
inner cape
Still waiting for improvements on security system, playing is just steesfull at this point.
kind folio
I second this question
sly veldt
(future OSC thing) You could be djing and move a slider and that sends invisible message out to crowd and if they have their avatar enabled with a receive they can use that to do something with the signal. hair on fire grows. Animation speeds up. wings spread. whatever
vast tulip
Playmaker was like stringing a bunch of vrc triggers together where the new system is like an actual visual scripting
vivid onyx
i wanna know if there are going to be comment nodes
sly veldt
We're working hard on the safety and security
alpine cove
As someone with minor but not advanced coding experience the node system looks really quick to learn, but idk how it looks for people with zero coding experience
sly veldt
I want people back into public instances without worrying
jolly totem
I do hope they'll let the community creators have a lot of input on choices and such made for this new system of yours, I think you have a lot to gain from listening to them.
sly veldt
VRChat has taught a literal army of new people how to make things in 3D and do some basic building block game making. Avatar creation.
inner cape
^
sly veldt
That's half the fun of it. And I love that. At the same time we want to enable people with more advanced skills to do more too
vocal shard
btw, are you fine with me copy pasting your infos to embed them into the reddit post mr lost viking?
kind folio
@karmic bear rip your question was avoided lol.
thorny totem
Procedural nodes systems are powerfull, no doubt, but pushing something just because it's easier for you...well, if the new system require more coding knoledge you'll need to adapt and learn. Not everything is lego like these days @kind folio
sly veldt
I'd rather do a proper AMA or something soon
vocal shard
aight, fair enough
vivid onyx
please do
inner cape
Oh man, learning all this new stuff, I'm worried how am I going to have time for irl education 
vocal shard
thanks for taking the time to talk to us. i really appreciate it
vivid onyx
^
kind folio
@thorny totem but not everything needs to be super complicated either. I just hope they take a decent amount of time to make it user friendly.
vivid onyx
i just want it not to be limiting
sly veldt
for sure. it's a bummer to me when I see everyone getting upset over not understanding or misinformation or random trolls stirring things up
Everyone should know this team is rock solid. Best team I've helped build and work with since I helped start Blizzard. Straight up
kind folio
(but the communication)
vocal shard
totally understandable, i mean i get the reasoning by those people but this should've been more civil imo
kind folio
sly veldt
I think we're doing a solid job of comms
I'm here typing to you while in a team meeting
vivid onyx
tree: 😠
sly veldt
😛
thorny totem
@kind folio omg what more communication do you want ! CCO take some precious time to clear things up
vast tulip
From what i have seen so far you can do simple things just as easily as playmaker but also gives a ton more power to people who want to do really advanced things. It's only as complicated as you want it to be as you dig deeper into it
karmic bear
You're already planning an AMA to cover all the things that in retrospect you should have pasted on the bottom of your medium article.
mellow mango
I mean the userbase creates all sorts of content (cough cough) that you might miss from announcements.
karmic bear
But hindsight is 20/20
kind folio
sure thats genuinely great, but with what kross keys said, there was a rumour that playmaker has been dead in the team for around a month or two now. and i also heard this rumour.
mellow mango
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iLFeJpvgo-I cough cough hack ahem
kind folio
idk
granite coral
@vast tulip generalizing state machines into a" bunch of vrc triggers" means you dont know how state machines work, in more recent visual scripting solutions have both state machine management and flow chart coding like the advertized node editor they're gonna do
kind folio
i just hope the ama clears stuff up
kind folio
I mean, it wasn't really a rumour if everything about it was accurate lol
sly veldt
can't stop to quell them all constantly. we'd not get anything done
granite coral
so blaming one of the 2 for not doing what you want is like blaming a car for not washing your clothes
mellow mango
Ron, if you want to show a sample of a piece over YouTube or somerthing, that might make people understand a bit.
jolly totem
I mean, it's good to host an AMA at the end of next week though, you let players and creators discuss amongst themselves for a week or two.
But maybe make an announcement for a date and time so that people come prepared :>
sly veldt
VRChat will turn you into an 👽 over time
kind folio
the rumour was "playmaker isnt being implemented and theyre releasing their own node system"
mellow mango
Right now it's kind of like "We're kind of doing Bolt"
vocal shard
would be really cool to have like a podcast or smthing like that to clear a lot of rumors once you and the team has some breathing time.
sly veldt
VRChat is made by 👽 s
kind folio
Is that irony viking lol
rapid heath
people who believe rumors are just wasting their time... just have patience, jeez
karmic bear
You know sometimes I do wonder
languid beacon
Ok I'm not a fan of graphical programming, but if you let me connect nodes in VR you will win me over because that's hot.
jolly totem
Rumors and fear mongering is especially huge in VRC, it is a social game after all.
kind folio
everyone would watch lol
a podcast about vrchat progress and updates
holy shit
that would be incredible
sly veldt
That's what the developer update videos are
mellow mango
#world-development and #event-system-sdk2 would take down the servers
sly veldt
another one out next weedk
kind folio
But the dev update vids that announce playmaker 🤔
jolly totem
Rather than just youtube video, it would be nice to see twitch streams or something like that.
alpine cove
can i sign up for morse code updates about VRChat?
sly veldt
haha
vivid onyx
i get a warframe developer update twitch streams feel from this...
covert chasm
..- -. ..-. --- .-. - ..- -. .- - . .-.. -.-- / -. ---
rapid heath
when is the Braille support for VRC?
vocal shard
that is not actually morse code or is it?
ruby needle
thats the kindest thing you ever said tupper 
kind folio
I just can't believe that this decision was made today lol. or yesterday or however recently, but the node system prototype you showed us seems to have been developed within much more time than that.
alpine cove
you know, idk how the vive controllers work, but the rift could read braille. it would just have to be very large.
rapid heath
Blind people also deserve to have some VR experiences ya know
kind folio
somethings just feel sus, ngl.
plain ridge
Could imagine morse code support on vive controllers using the vibrating.
alpine cove
and then i could have people calling me bad names in english and braille
jolly totem
@plain ridge ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
unborn oak
Sounds like a good time. hue hue
karmic bear
@jolly totem The thing about rumors is that sometimes they are right
plain ridge
Exactly what us mutes in vrchat need.
vocal shard
sounds like some guys wasted their money and are whining like bitches over the recent announcement
alpine cove
mute traps 👌
vocal shard
fucking kek
plain ridge
The mute makes it cuter.
jolly totem
Ikr, but most of the time, they're not. Remember back during the knuckles? People were going around saying "Ohh they're banning every knuckles now" which was never true.
alpine cove
yee
vocal shard
like
alpine cove
my main model has a tramp stamp that says "I Love Traps"
jolly totem
Or like "if you have this and that model, you'll get banned" which also wasn't true apart from certain groups
vocal shard
basic 5th grade knowledge
alpine cove
so i guess i'm sort of inviting people calling me bad names
vocal shard
"if you want to spend your money, think ahead. make a budget."
rapid heath
Rumors are pointless...so don't waste energy on them
vocal shard
"know the consequences"
kind folio
ahhh, i love people who act like they know shit 
vocal shard
and before you start I made over 3 full-scale interactive worlds
plain ridge
Remember the first time I ever saw a knuckles avatar back in like October or November. If only I knew the storm that was coming soon.
vocal shard
so shut your ass tree
vivid onyx
i mean i can see their point, i wasnt paying attention to vrchat for like 2 or more months
kind folio
edgy
vocal shard
yeah I've read the entire convo
rapid heath
ahhh, I love people who think they are the king of the world
jolly totem
I don't think, I am. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
vocal shard
guys, lets keep it civil. we did so good just a few mins ago Q_Q
vivid onyx
it does make sense to be upset when they said they would add somthing and they didnt
but at the same time
vocal shard
wasting 64$ is your problem
alpine cove
people who use the knuckles avatars don't even use the voice anymore. the meme is dead and now people are just unironically using the avatars.
rapid heath
and their opinion is absolute
vivid onyx
they are to blame for taking the risk
vocal shard
bad economics
kind folio
wasting $35 is vrchats fault, and now its my problem, youre correct.
jolly totem
I miss the knuckle raids tbh
vocal shard
you don't go and buy a gaming pc just because some guy told you so
plain ridge
The base knuckles avatar got annoying, but some of the ways people expanded on the meme was actually great.
alpine cove
the knuckles with the messed up visemes is my favorite knuckles avatar tbh
where the face just goes ballistic when they talk
vocal shard
really are you that easily influenced
vocal shard
wow
vivid onyx
i still think that vrchat should take some anger from it, but you cant say that the playerbase isnt to fault
kind folio
You really think I bought playmaker right when they first ever announced it?
vocal shard
sounds like you ask people what to eat for dinner
kind folio
no
kind folio
I waited till they said "yeah we're beta testing right now"
then i was like
this sounds cool for my worlds
cant wait for it to come out
vocal shard
"I BOUGHT GAMEMAKER BECAUSE THE MEANIE DEVS TOLD ME SO"
kind folio
lol?
rapid heath
if the playerbase is that inpatient and easily swayed by rumors: their fault for being dumbasses really
¯_(ツ)_/¯
vocal shard
"LET'S BURN THEM ON A STAKE"
vivid onyx
Rin a bit too many assumptions/hyperboles
vocal shard
how can I assume when I read all the garbage that was spent in here for the last hour
kind folio
them removing playmaker is whatever, fine, but I think you're missing the point here buddy
vocal shard
you salty? go get a refund
kind folio
lol?
thorny totem
@kind folio you're the kind of guy who 'preorder' in general right, and scream to death when there is a delay, am i right?
vocal shard
live your life
kind folio
bruh whats your problem 
at least preorder and delay has a release date @thorny totem
lmao
vivid onyx
Rin, this is not a right way to handle an arguement/conversation. telling somone to just, for a lack of a better expression, "fuck off about it"
kind folio
its fine @vivid onyx , this dude clearly has some issues with people here its w/e
frank sonnet
Not sure where to ask this. But does any one have a guide to set up your avtar for full body tracking properly. I have mine set up but there are weird issues with it.
vocal shard
what kind of weird issues?
frank sonnet
the main thing is the height problem
vocal shard
my problem is
"oh damn I bought thing when devs said they were gonna put it
i jump to conclusions and get mad when it backfires on me
the best thing to do now is blame it on the people who told me to do this because their magical online words - or lack thereof - made me do it"
frank sonnet
my feet trackers are to high up
granite coral
Let's be honest, the comunication was lacking here, if they noticed playmaker wasn't working for vrchat, why waiting until now? they should have informed that it was a no go a bit before
vocal shard
and are you talking about unity/blender stuff or the setup ingame?
frank sonnet
set up ingame
vocal shard
i heard about playmaker going bust at least a month ago
frank sonnet
I proably have to go into blender and work on the rig it self just not sure where to start
granite coral
not that i care honestly, but i can understand why people are upset
vivid onyx
no one said that they made them do it, they said that they should have made it more clear that they were just testing it instead of making it seem like they were going to put it in without a doubt
vocal shard
you cant be that disassociated
karmic bear
So @vocal shard are you saying it's his fault for trusting the devs? Should we get into the habit on not trusting the devs on everything?
vocal shard
we put thing
kind folio
today was the FIRST OFFICIAL word that it wasnt being added
jolly totem
I mean, they didn't tell anyone to go buy it, he just mentioned there was a sale for it.
vocal shard
@frank sonnet i once watched a good ytb video about that, ill try to find it rly quick
alpine cove
i wish there was a good way to get full body with the Rift
vivid onyx
Axzel thats what i thought
vocal shard
really guys
vivid onyx
apparently not
alpine cove
or i guess, i wish i had bought a vive instead lol
kind folio
theres a reason I stopped working on playmaker worlds when I heard the "rumour". because I knew I was wasting my time
vocal shard
the announcements isn't that cluttered
karmic bear
See I am super greatful to Viking for stepping in and actually saying something, what is not helping them is people running around like they're TEAM VRCHAT OUT TA BEAT THE HATERS. This isn't a trolling match on minecraft or something, they don't need you helicopter dicking around the discord to protect them.
frank sonnet
@vocal shard ok cool thanks
vocal shard
we aren't protecting anyone
its just the people like this who are going to get the game taken off steam eventually
lkl
vivid onyx
they arnt protecting, they are using their logical/moral basis to argue a point with other people
vocal shard
https://www.reddit.com/r/VRchat/comments/7y879f/tutorial_a_guide_to_full_body_tracking_for_vive/
this covers the whole ingame setup pretty good
rapid heath
they communicated everything clear enough
the suggestions aren't "official announcements"
so you buying smth because it was suggested by a dev is non of their concern and only up to you
¯_(ツ)_/¯
vocal shard
devs are going to say "oh geez we aren't getting good support better stop doing this we had a good run"
then vrchat will be gone
vivid onyx
it was apparently more then suggested
vocal shard
he also made a video found at the edit3 point
frank sonnet
@vocal shard Thanks for the link
vivid onyx
it was apparently said that it was going to be put in
jolly totem
I just hope they can fix the FBT system so we don't need to adjust the tracking balls anymore and we'll be good 👍
kind folio
wait lol rin, if this isnt officially announcing it idk what is
https://gyazo.com/71442924ab8c2be59d0edb66a489d6f3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=te1FRAiOMQs
alpine cove
one day, there will be a reliable way to get foot tracking with the Rift.
i believe.
vocal shard
so whatever was there you can keep it
kind folio
"We are starting up a very limited closed beta right now, and we plan on opening up Playmaker to more users as time goes on"
there
youi have it
thorny totem
@karmic bear don't worry about it, Nature like balance that's all. The more you scream the bigger the counter reactions comes to balance the equation. In 3 words DEAL WITH IT ;)
sly veldt
@kind folio yup. as I said. that was April. things changed.
vocal shard
ok limited closed beta
sly veldt
part of testing is discovery
rapid heath
wow, really? 1 dev update...how many did we have afterwards? plenty
vocal shard
sounds like the worst thing to invest in
alpine cove
well, a reliable way that doesn't depend on me hunting for a very expensive Xbox One Kinect adapter
sly veldt
Discovery was. Playmaker is not the best way forward.
kind folio
"We plan on opening up playmaker to more users"
vocal shard
closed betas are never a confirmation
kind folio
should not have been said
sly veldt
Things change in life man
sly veldt
Wasn't fun to find out for us either
vocal shard
but I didn't go gung go on EA
sly veldt
lol
shy nest
why not, ea is a free target these days lmao
vocal shard
i didn't start a thread in r/Jordan and yapped about it
because it was my fault
i bought it too early
kind folio
look like i said im not mad its being scrapped, just hope its handled properly in the future. just be a little more careful with officially announcing things that aren't 100% going to be added
vocal shard
and i clearly was at fault for expecting something from EA
kind folio
tupper advertising the sale didnt help the case lol.
rapid heath
this is early access...we're literally witnessing a game being made
making a game requires testing and experimentation
things get changed all the time, cus shit happens
shy nest
i mean i would've shit on EA regardless because EA
lethal meteor
will the in house vs give world creators access to unity's navmesh system?
vocal shard
what badgirlland said
vivid onyx
Please look at what tree is saying
mellow mango
@sly veldt, was there a coding language that inspired Node Graph?
vivid onyx
all hes saying is that they pretty much said that they would release it
sly veldt
We do out best. Sometimes life and change hands you things that are just tough. There's no way to predict it. You deal with it as it comes.
alpine cove
i will say that the people i was arguing with earlier are being much more reasonable, i think, now, which is cool
that's a lot of commas
rapid heath
most problems we have here come from impatient and easily swayed by words people
which is their problem, period
vocal shard
you think the announcement channel is official?
don't go there
only see announcements from the medium site
that's where the truely legit stuff happens
hell tupper announced fucking emojis in the announcements channel
kind folio
I just find it fascinating how I found out months before the official announcement was ever made lol.
vocal shard
same
kind folio
saved me a bunch of time I guess
sly veldt
@austere gust find out what?
vocal shard
even as a node graph
kind folio
isnt a bad deal
vivid onyx
i agree, it seems overpriced
vocal shard
no
sly veldt
months? You must have a time machine cos I didn't know
vocal shard
still bad deal
lethal meteor
playmaker was intended for indie devs, btw
vocal shard
you shouldn't pay more than 20 for good software
kind folio
Im not trolling viking lol
vocal shard
yeah there was a rumour
humble totem
@alpine cove You can apparently buy two lighthouses from eBay and three of the Vive Tracker (2018) and use them with your Rift. The 2018 version of the trackers doesn't get blinded by the Touch controllers. It can still happen but you have to be trying to do it.
vocal shard
that playmaker was scraped and they had a new system
vocal shard
i thought it would be like a component generator
karmic bear
I'm not arguing shit any more but I do have in one of my discords someone saying that Playmaker was KIA as far back as 30th May
alpine cove
yeah, but at that price I would basically just be buying a Vive without the headset
rapid heath
@sly veldt they believed the rumors and now justifying that as their ingenuity or smth
kind folio
im jsut happy i didnt waste more time than I did on pm
sly veldt
it's 6/20/18. months would be 2-3 months ago. there's nobody on this team that would even have been "an official source"
alpine cove
like that's a crazy amount of money
vocal shard
^
sly veldt
You are talking codswallop
leaden kiln
it was obvious from the start
vocal shard
why would you buy something over 20
kind folio
idk mayne
vocal shard
god people
granite coral
well, for me is fun when is said that playmaker is scrapped when right now is actually working ingame lul
kind folio
^
sly veldt
Because 👽 's
vocal shard
think of the kids that would kill for dolphin burger
kind folio
thats why I asked if its being removed next sdk
kind folio
idk who thought it was a good idea to release it in the public sdk lol
vocal shard
devs barely look at sdk features
kind folio
anyone could break a whole bunch of stuff with the right tools. it was bad news
alpine cove
but yeah, i feel like $500 for full body tracking is a bit much, even if I do really want to do it, lol
vocal shard
it'll still be there
kind folio
lol.
plain ridge
Full body tracking is fun though
vocal shard
really
sly veldt
what's VRChat?
safe prism
no one looks at anything
sly veldt
👀
alpine cove
it's fun, but not $500 fun, even if I had the $500 to spend right now (i don't)
vocal shard
i still have a bug with avatar uploading since the last 7th update
safe prism
have you ever even SEEN the sky?
vocal shard
creates an avatar id when I cancel upload
and then keeps giving me errors that crash unity
aight, ima have to go to bed now. already 2am. good night everyone and please be nice to each other :)
sly veldt
Ok, well this has been fun but I gotta get back to working on VRChat. Need to figure out what to bait and switch next for Tree.
😛
humble totem
@kind folio Playmaker was announced before the population exploded in the fall of last year, it was supposed to have been worked on months ago, but things changed when the population skyrocketed and it got shelved so the devs could focus on keeping the servers running. They finally managed to get back to Playmaker recently, and tried a beta, found it wasn't what they needed now, and decided to do it themselves.
kind folio
vivid onyx
everything changed when the fire nation attacked
safe prism
ron, just gaslight tree until they leave, it'll be fiiiine. no feature actually exists.
vocal shard
but seriously tho are you all sitting in goldmines or something
safe prism
vr isn't real if our eyes aren't real
vocal shard
yea
rapid heath
30 for software is really cheap actually
thorny totem
@sly veldt thanks for passing by, keep up the good work
kind folio
30 bucks for a hobby really isnt a lot
alpine cove
if i could get ahold of an xbox one kinect adapter, i've heard the xbone kinect works pretty well for full body
plain ridge
To be fair think everything changed when we sat down one day and saw pewdiepie had made a video on vrchat. Everyone was just like "Well this can only go horribly"
alpine cove
xbox 360 kinect, not so much
vivid onyx
not living in canada
kind folio
30 is really cheap lol.
vocal shard
you are buying what could be gotten free for 30
rapid heath
software usually costs hundreds of dollars
vocal shard
and no I'm not talking piracy
rapid heath
depending
vocal shard
but why
people don't have money to spend on this
what about taxes
and water bills
lethal meteor
shit, I want speedtree for my project, but to legally purchase it is over 2K
granite coral
well, 30$ for a development tool isnt too much, there are way more expensive things in that regard
kind folio
People have money for extra stuff they want after taxes / rent / bills, and 30 after all that is not as much as youre thinking.
vocal shard
not me
kind folio
^
lethal meteor
then theres the tools from Havoc, but I'm assuming they're going to charge up the ass for those.
rough pulsar
Good lord, I want to live where Rin lives where $20 is a month's worth of supplies for food and stuff
kind folio
lol
vivid onyx
lol
safe prism
yeee
granite coral
I would like to live there too
safe prism
everyone dies it's ok
thorny totem
@lethal meteor well if you can't make enough money out of it, you most likely don't need it =P
kind folio
does he eat like 1 bite of bread a day
vocal shard
terrorist organisations in the street
safe prism
same
lethal meteor
I've been researching tools all day :>
vocal shard
work at a factory and die because of a gas explosion
rough pulsar
Actually curious now, what country are you in Rin, if you don't mind sharing?
vocal shard
jordan